>>2344736I think you overestimate the effectiveness of US carpet bombing tactics. Most of Iran's military infrastructure is under mountains. The US has a very limited supply of bunker busters and the Iranians can just keep building more bases until they run out.
(reposting from previous thread)
>>2344751>I think you overestimate the effectiveness of US carpet bombing tacticsWith air superiority, they can just keep trying
> Iranians can just keep building more bases until they run outHow? With magic?
>>2344762>With air superiority, they can just keep tryingThey have 20 tries at most and then they have to sign a new contract with Boeing for another order of bombs.
>How? With magic?If Hamas was able to build extensive tunnels under the tiny land area of Gaza without detection by the IDF it stands to reason the Iranians would be capable of doing the same.
Iran itself is geographically larger than any enemy America has ever faced.
>>2344736The USA is a near bottomless pit of weaponry, it's one of two great cold war superpowers. Attacking it so openly can make these depots of shitboxes spring to life. Right now it's stumbling along and tempting to kill, but there's enough defunct equipment there to be cannibalized and parts-swapped to turn any country into a regional power. The cold war was two titans slugging it out, and many of the world's militaries are still feasting on the corpse of the USSR.
Ultimately if your AA can't fight these jets and bombers, there's no point striking at a massed group of a fraction of their air force. The US is an air power and it can overwhelm you with thousands of jets. No sneak attack will save you, you have to fight them one on one.
>>2344769>The USA is a near bottomless pit of weaponryThis isn't true anymore. I know America likes to pretend it does, but ever since America became a slave to imports and foreign labor their ability to produce the cold-war era fleets of aircraft, artillery, infantry equipment and armored vehicles has dropped significantly.
Their bomber fleets are outdated and plummeting in number. Americas rapid growth in armor and areospace technology has slowed down to a crawl.
>>2344779Why do you want Iran to escalate with the US
Do you just want Iranians to die or something
>>2344751That's true, but in a couple of weeks nobody will be talking about mountains. They'll be talking about dislodging IRGC positions from the mountains.
>>2344773It's totally fucked, I agree. But if it becomes existential don't be surprised if parts start being reverse engineered and churned out by a bunch of underpaid engineering corps boots given some manufacturing equipment and a blank cheque.
For example, after asking AI:
>If the entire contents of the Sierra Army Depot were to magically become fully functional and operational, the resulting military force would be formidable and could be compared to the armed forces of a mid-sized NATO nation, or even surpass some of them in terms of heavy armor and mechanized equipment.Apologies for AI but you get my point
>>2344794Well my point is that a preemptive strike is worthless in the long term against such an enemy.
>>2344796That depot has between a third and a half of the USSR's military sat there, it's nothing to sneeze at
Almost 1500 modern-ish tanks just sat languishing! When the USSR collapsed it was the death of two great empires.
>>2344858Never trust Americans or Israelis bro
Worst mistake someone can make
>>2344864don't tickle my Fordow with F-35s senpai you're so silly
>>2344867But the B-2 is the only thing that can theoretically hurt the base, because the big beautiful retard bomb can only be dropped by it
>>2344871Trump rarely makes sense. He has done this before when he claimed to have attacked Iran in his first term and it was just a nothingburger on some empty bases to save face.
>>2344872This.
>>2344933and nothing will change until the west is broken and subjugated like they did.
By whom ?, doesnt matter, all that matter is that the colonial doctrine that still germinates on european americans get destroyed, shame that i know if it were to happen it won't be their own communists doing it.
>>2344898pic related
>>2344923>adhd>flat as fuck feet and bad posture>only childI'm all good.
>>2344939I saw this interesting thread which highlighted the process in Germany
https://nitter.poast.org/giulio_mattioli/status/1935963650944086252#mI've also noticed it within US commentary on my own, I don't have a long list of receipts like this guy though.
>>2344953That's for Ukrainians because Ukraine is facing a demographic crisis with an already low birthrate below replacement levels and they didn't wanna handicap themselves for generations.
The draft meta in the US is sending as many poor young minorities to die for Israel as possible under the promise of the GI bill.
>>2344962I'm fairly convinced it's the opposite and he's just signalling to the Iranians to let him get the last word and settle this whole issue by pretending their nuclear site was destroyed.
>Netanyahu gets to stay in power and claim "victory">Trump gets to have a "win" for his retarded base>Iran gets to continue building nukes in secretThis would probably be the best time to deescalate assuming the strikes were a nothingburger.
>>2344971Why would Trump claim he bombed Iran then
What does he gain from that
>>2344976Because he's a fat retard who lies all the time
>>2344980>uhhh we coated it with magic stealth paint and made the wings all stealthyWhere's the propaganda footage?
>>2344820I always think these kind of questions are kind of irrelevant because it doesn't necessarily tell you if that person is for or against bombing Iran. If someone wants ot bomb Iran, and knows where it is, their position is still just to bomb Iran. If someone opposes a war, but doesn't know where Iran is, they are still right! Maybe even MORE right, in some sense.
And I think the people who want to die in hellfire also think the same. The person who wants to bomb Iran and knows nothing about it is actually more pure of heart.
That's why I think the Ted Cruz interview does nothing to hurt him. His ignorance of Iran is considered virtuous.
>>2344945Good meme.
>>2345014Shit meme.
"America First" literally means "More War."
"America First" is a chauvinist slogan uttered by first world reactionary nationalists who want to continue plundering the 3rd world. It's not an anti war slogan for people who want some kind of American version of juche isolationism (which btw Juche Isolationism is itself a byproduct of American sanctions against DPRK). The MAGAcom meme that pushes this isolationist interpretation of revanchist imperialist slogans is the willfull ignorance of a very small minority in echo chambers. The vast majority of people who say "America First" have always wanted more blood spilled, not less.
>>2345033I actually don't think Iran is going to collapse anymore or there's serious risk of this. I can kind of understand this doomposting after the decap strikes, but I don't think its plausible anymore.
Hitting nuke sites in the mountains will not collapse the country. I don't think there's really a plausible chain of events for this.
The purpose is to further destabilize the geopolitical situation. It actually probably stabilizes the Iranian government while making the escalation of violence a certainty.
Forclosing on diplomacy with the US and notably, Europe, permanently.
Posted in the /ukr/ thread here:
>>2345021A post by John Helmer. Apparently Putin is leaving Iran out to dry in hopes for a deal from the US.
https://johnhelmer.net/the-presidents-of-russia-and-china-announce-the-cardinal-points-of-the-obvious/>>2345045But I was told Russia was anti-imperialist.
:^(
>>2345116Danks
I guess it hasnt been updated yet.
>>2345032>(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)MODS=GODS
Finally this retard is gone
>>2345155WTF?
Also you guys won't believe it. Neon Gas is back. 11175 khz.
New call sign obviously. But still.
What if trump is purposefully trolling us reality tv show style?
>>2345151you're supposed to do 9/11 2
before the war smh
>>2345163Would be absolutely halrious if trump bombed the wrong thing just "for negotiations"
I mean he did that shit before.
This strike is weird. Like it was telegraphed by the day.
Plenty of warnings.
Like what if this is just bullshit?
>>2345152up until now I would have slightly agreed because I really did not think that we'd get to a point like the Nazis starting WWII because you would have to be a fucking madman or a retard to start a conventional war in the 21st century (Ukraine being a notable exception), because this is the direction that every fascist regime inevitably ends up going down and I was split on whether or not the US would be able to rely on its wealth and power and the generally demoralized state of its citizens to avoid going full warmongering insanity. but here we are.
>>2345154>>2345159it's 2025, nothing good happens anymore anons
>>2345187The internet should have never been given to the masses. It did more damage to civilization
Easy access misinformation is the great filter. No species can evolve to handle it and few make it far enough and get the social will to genetically or cybernetically modify themselves to handle the instant flow of information and misinformation
The internet is a more evil invention than any bomb or torture device.
>>2345172Word goes they only bombed the exits/entrances. If there are radiations leaks they'll be picked up shortly.
>>2345181We're a week in. Western allies allowed Poland and France to get stomped before they got their shit together.
>It's ogre all is lost!No it's not. See Ukraine, see Afghanistan, see Iraq-Iran. It's far from over. And direct Pakistani/DRPK/Chinese support will mean the Zionists are doomed to lose in a war of attrition.
Also Fordow was build almost two decades ago. You think they don't have other secret sites, even deeper than Fordow? Including parallel compartmentalized enrichment programs and storage sites?
What are they gonna do if there's a Cheyenne Mountain Complex tier site somewhere? Nuke it?
>>2345222cuckening confirmed.
This all makes sense now.
Nothing ever happens.
>>2345222>NOOOO USA-SAMA!!! DESTROY ALL OUR NUCLEAR TECHNOLOGY IF YOU WANT BUT PLEASE DONT REMOVE ME FROM POWER ONEGAIIIIIIIIHoly fucking
CUCKSNever trust the bourgeoisie bros
>>2345223not just the thing Dems hate, but the thing the American public clearly hates!
>amerikans are fine with separating workers by nationality but begin to disapprove of immigration enforcement when a guy gets rendered to superjail Bush style>we need to stop focusing on activists narratives like this! lolol abundance!>trump steps back from tanking the economy and going to war with iran for a brief moment>lolol taco! trumps a pussy!!And with messengers of this caliber I'm supposed to believe that the only reason Harris lost is because of ebil gen z male misogyny
>>2345123Kek, you think it will be updated?
Amerikanets/Ripplebrain bought a satellite photo for Oreshnik from an trusted analyst satellite company and they redacted it
>>2345215Because they probably knew they lacked the capabilities to pierce the site. It would also require full knowledge of the geometry.
The site was build almost 20 years ago. There's no telling how deep the tunnels go, or how far away they fan out from any entrances. Natanz and Isfahan might be toast, or maybe tomahawks only targeted the entrances too.
>>2345143how accurate is this? The site appears to be south by a few km where the white building is. You can see some tunnels burrowing into the mountain.
i looked at some other sites in iran, and there are fires directly above what look like various industry or military facilities, which im guessing are from earlier israeli strikes.
>>2345271Here's how I see it:
Nazis: Just wanna kill da jooz (and slavs and disabled and gays and…)
ZOGpilled: just wanna kill da zionists (whether jooz or not)
Communists: just wanna kill the da capitalists (whether zionist or not)
>>2345282What if China is a cuck nation?
There were communists in the wehrmacht who defected right before june 22 1941. I dont know what happened to them, but they were betting on the winning horse. What if china loses?
>>2345282They're not firing. It's up to Iran to escalate at this point. Bomb Fordoz and declare victory is the American optimal strategy if Iran has no deterrent.
Iran's countermove is to test if they have the nukes. Too much blood drawn, and too much threat.
>>2345181>>2345190Why would Communists sacrifice everything for capitalist Islamists who kept them at arms distance while begging the west to give them a deal for decades? Is China responsible for Iran's foolishness? Even North Korea knew getting Nukes was priority number one.
>>2345197>Easy access misinformation is the great filter.Lib bullshit. Majority of humanity throughout all history has never had access to unbiased information as everything told to them was through their local religious leader and was controlled by the local aristocracy.
>>2345333i'm not circumsized
>>2345328a retard can be right sometimes, this applies even for someone like yourself
>>2345336and it just so happens that when it comes to zionism all the handles on my clock are labeled "sometimes"
pure coincidence
>>2345297It's true. Westerners aren't aware of it but Russians deeply hate "non Europeans", they discriminate against their own north Caucasians native population, they hate central Asian who come as foreign workers. They had a huge neo Nazi movement up until a decade ago.
They're deeply insecure that they're not considered white by western Europeans.
>>2345344yes
>>2345234I told you guys its literally just Trump trying to save face by claiming "victory" and simultaneously looking to get out of the situation.
>>2345341maybe you should grow yours back
>>2345352so cool and awesome that it happens to be the same exact one used by neo nazi retards
>>2345363when you're right you're right ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ i'm not someone who can live with myself knowing i'm ignoring what's right in front of me on purpose, maybe you are tho
>>2345368this quote isn't real lmao
>>2345368>>2345370I know, it's what poltards believe.
I also should mention that some soviet afghan vets were saying shit like "just because it has 2 eyes and ears does not mean it is a human" when talking about mujahadeen supporting civilians. I heared some bizzare stories from them. They gloated about killing aghan civilians almost using the same language as american vietnam vets.
>>2345397Just go to Kahanist. How we feel about the Zionist project vs the Kahanist project (small atrocities vs big atrocities) is immaterial before the fact that Kahanists are a recognized global terrorist group, whereas Zionism is protected by ADL.
And modern Israel is not just a Zionist state, but a Kahanist one. But I'm too tired to argue tactics and strategy.
>>2345420>their healthcare and education is paid by their startup companiesphilos unironically believe the "uhm, they are industrious and smarter and more business savvy than you!" myth
no retard, uncle sam pays it
>>2345364What happened to all those revolutions that USSR and Mao supported again?
Once the USSR dissolved the communist movement took a big hit throughout the world. If the USSR invested more in their economy instead of trying to fund "communist" revolutions that were actually just nationalist, they would still be challenging the USA today.
>>2345426Why not be obsessed with Kahanism? Zionism can be threatened and negotiated with. Kahanism can't.
Zionism is mainstream and legal. Kahanism is an illegal terrorist group, and the Kach party is banned in Israel itself, while being de facto the official policy of the Israeli state.
>>2345491No, I'm not. Iran is not collapsing nor is the state at risk of dissolution.
Again this is the problem they face. If they were really facing an existential crisis they would have a clear response. They aren't. Doomers really wish they were so that they would have a clear and definite response. But the doomers are wrong. Iran can continue just fine.
>>2345472I'm not even joking (that much), many of the thought leaders behind whiteness studies came at it from seething against whites, but they were principled about it. Noel Ignatiev for example was a principled anti-zionist.
Nowadays jewish supremacists, zionists in particular, wield it as a cudgel against whites, but the theory doesn't want them as the chosen people either. They want to be the last race standing, trvly Hitlerian.
>>2345008
>So what? we're gonna keep taking Ls and humilliation but we'll endure.Exactly. You just have to recognize that you are inside the western triumphalist bubble. The declared enemies of the West will always be humiliated and defeated, and its allies always invincible and triumphant. That's what it means to be inside of the propaganda bubble.
The reality on the ground? Who cares.
>>2345562These people are symptomatic of the death throes of the western left, reduced even further from their originally pitiful state. They claim to believe in ruthless criticism but it ultimately rings hollow and is just rote learned repetitions of people long dead.
You can see it in real time in the UK as the population radicalises against Pakistanis (Mirpuris specifically). The population being white, Sikh, black, even Pakistani in many cases, etc. - they're simply not ideologically equipped to deal with it so they resort to censorship.
This puts them in an awkward spot as they're essentially handmaidens to a coming nationalist revolt in a collapsing neoliberal system.
That's a bit too dangerous for them to handle though so they'll simply extend the censorship to metacensorship.
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