/ukr/ - Russia-Ukraine War General #242
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Evidence of the influence and origin of neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine
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DeepStateMap:
https://deepstatemap.liveEvents in Ukraine:
https://eventsinukraine.substack.com/SouthFront:
https://southfront.press/category/all-articles/world/europe/ukraine/Watch Together
📺 News/events:
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/HappeningsviaKlash📺 Hangout/chill:
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/bloodcastWatch By Yourself
>Video Essays / Historical Background📺 • Ukraine: The Avoidable War - Boy Boy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL4eNy4FCs8📺 • Ukraine's Nazi Problem - The Marxist Project
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yZvWAwU5W4📺 • America, Russia, and Ukraine's Far Right - Gravel Institute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0pyVJG7_6Q📺 • The Nature of Putin's Russia and Its Causes (3-Part Series) - 1Dime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8d6Vzi7zYghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zODWTfMwFGwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zuygh9Mzuo
<Current Happenings 📺 • The Grayzone:
https://www.youtube.com/@thegrayzone7996📺 • DDGeopolitics:
https://www.youtube.com/@DDGeopolitics📺 • Defense Politics Asia:
https://www.youtube.com/@DefensePoliticsAsia📺 • The Duran:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdeMVChrumySxV9N1w0Au-w📺 • The News Atlas:
https://www.youtube.com/c/thenewatlas📺 • Military Summary:
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>>2349798Cucktin isn't a young man anymore
He can drop dead at any moment
He must act,
NOW >>2349802Putin is 72
Trump is 79
>>2349831I did not say trump will not die
whether orange retard lives or not doesn't matter
Putin must do what he gotta do
Enough cuckxcuses
>>2349904I (semiwestoid living in west) am pro war as fuck. I just wanna see the the US, UK, EU, Canada and Australia burn to the ground getting what they deserve.
I would like to see Japan spared because it is under occupation.
>>2350940Yeah, that actually was a while ago, lol. Like an year or so ago? I considered switching back to ushanka but it doesn't really matter.
I do agree that this thread is pretty much dead, every theoretical question has been argued to death back in 2022-2023, these days we get more concern trolling than constructive posts and there are only 2-3 posters who occasionally post relevant content including me
Btw I miss old 8ch /leftypol/, at least back then the anti-anti-imperialist opposition believed in something, namely anarchism or bookchinism, nowadays we have this very strange kind of poster that operates in bastardizing everything down to downright absurd abstractions like "anti-imperialism is hypernationalism and basic marxism is le ideology", who believes in nothing but contrarianism and cannot be debated
>>2350997No argument from me, I’m kinda visiting the thread less and less because each time it usually is some kind of concern trolling and I’ve said my piece on
>has cucktin considered, like, winning? It’s so easyEnough times and then discovered that was basically one anon 90% of the time and it’s the felix fan, so it’s not even an old discussion for new anons, which yeah, I should have known.
For me, the thread peaked during the tank debates, super-ultra-mega upgraded Slovenian T-55 vs ancient and desperate T-62Ms. Where Armata? /k/ briefly becoming very racist towards Ukrainians when the first pictures of an abandoned Leopard 2 appeared, etc, etc.
>>2351588<"the murders of civilians is the most atrocious and barbarous picture of the imperialistic wars from whenever it comes from wherever they take place, either now in Ukraine due to the Russian invasion or in the past in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Syria and elsewhere with the responsibility of USA and NATO.">KKE officially treats the invasion of Ukraine and the invasion of Iraq as equally imperialisticAs an idea, that's the most damaging of all. I can't comprehend the misunderstanding of imperialism required to treat as equal
>Invading a country in another continent, based on a lie, for crude oil and killing an extreme amount of civilians in the first two weeks of "shock and awe" intended to terrify people from resistingand
>Invading a neighbour that has experienced a foreign coup, brought a nascent Neo-Nazi movement into a position of leadership that agitates for genocide of people who speak your language and demands the privilege of further expanding an imperialist military alliance to your bordersThe fact is that the former was based on a lie about self-defence and the latter is genuinely about self-defence, even if you find invasion-as-self-defence disagreeable.
The reason why their position demonstrates that there are no western anti-campists, is that they're doing the US/NATO, to my mind, two favours.
Firstly, they're doing the Call of Duty thing by which something the US did (in this case the invasion of Iraq for its resources/market) is now ackshually something the Russians have done (equally invading Ukraine for its resources/market) while conveniently ignoring that while US self-defence against Iraqi WMDs was a complete and utter lie, that Ukraine has a problem with Neo-Nazis and NATO is utilising them for hostile expansion towards Russia's borders and bringing more "First Strike" materiel to more of the border of Russia, isn't a lie, it's demonstrably true. There is absolutely no reason why the KKE who fronts itself as wringing a fist against NATO would neglect to stress that difference.
Secondly, although it's full of critique of Zelensky, it doesn't appear to have the opinion that the Zelensky government is illegitimate, again presumably because acknowledging the coup in 2014 and the fact that the US had serious doubts about the validity of Ukrainian election outcomes prior, but is absolutely confident that no shenanigans have occured in elections since the coup, where each consecutive government was more aggressively anti-Russian than the last, would hurt their prior point that there's no dimension of self-defence to this conflict with Russia and it's just Colin Powell but in the Duma presenting a copy of Mein Kampf sworn to have been discovered in Ukraine.
By all means, if one wants to make the argument that Russia shouldn't have invaded or otherwise done anything violent in self-defence against NATO expansionism and its use of Neo-Nazism to stoke the kind of ethnic hatred that apparently requires, then fine. I think that is an extremely unreasonable expectation to have, but I get that some people are moralists and like to imagine shouldas and oughtas rather than just analysing what actually happened and is happening, but we can at least agree that NATO expansionism is something that warrants self-defence by its targets.
But that doesn't seem to be something the KKE agrees with, thus, they're not anti-campists.
>>2351447Nothing is changing.
Putin is still pursuing his four-oblast Istanbul agreement and calling it quits. Everything else is merely pressure in that direction.
He'll sign the agreement with either Zelensky or Zelensky's Banderite successor.
A book is no fun when you know the spoilers.
>>2352195He's doing everything they want, no?
No concessions to Russia, concentrating the activity in Russian villages so that Lvov and other far-right areas don't suffer, mobilizing/kidnapping from only Russian areas.
>>2351588*wheeze*
hahaha
hehehe
hohoho
>>2352250I'm the one who made the image. I was in a conversation with your BFF. It's my opinion that it completely destroyed his psyche.
It's like the time I destroyed your psyche with the demonstration that Cucktin is self-evidently a cuck because his name contains 'cuck' in it.
>>2352254oh its you lol
you take this meme shit way to seriously
[reposting because typos are beneath me]
>>2352268I take all my battles seriously, no matter the format. What you kids need to realize is that a person who aims for perfection in the little things has a better chance of achieving perfection in the big things.
Bonus track
Nearly forgot why I was actually here. I save things with (you) on them as well. But they are for easy looking up of discussion that I have been over and I assume will repeat themselves (imperialism yada-yada, the cucktinists I don't actually care about, at least they are living in the real world with us). I maintain it is not vanity but a defense mechanism against the "leftcom" invading "force" that loves repetition so much they literally post the same thing every day with barely any variation.
I'm not saying that's an attack to make the place inhospitable, only that if I were tasked with that, that is what it would look like. Point is it doesn't matter whether they do it consciously, paid or unpaid.
>>2350997Yes, I miss when my opp actually believed in things or (at least) inhabited the same reality. At this point there's no basis for discussion, 'tis very true.
Insofar as anything can be gleaned from this place about the wider world, it's in my most humble estimation yet another variation of "I'm totally an enemy of the present state of things, however…" which will be what a large part of the western left (so-called) will ultimately end up as (or already has), with war propaganda coming to the forefront it is somewhat important to be "neutered" (sounds essentially the same as "alternatives/communism work in theory, however in reality [most imperialist, chauvinist shit you ever heard]), lest you actually end up as "enemy of the state" and that's not what they signed up for.
>>2352279Ah, 'tis true.
Somewhere in the Buddhist canon it says "
The way someone does one thing is the way they do everything"
>>2352282Why would I hide the (You)?
It was obvious when I first posted the image mid-conversation that I was the one who made the image, and I'm not one of you cuck kids who need to shirk responsibility. I stand by my creations.
>>2352286>Somewhere in the Buddhist canon it says "The way someone does one thing is the way they do everything"Exactly right. For my victory over IntBrig, I had the five most recent /ukr/ threads open in separate tabs, meticulously documenting his posts. I waited patiently for my opening and took it.
Most kids around here have only one or two tabs open.
<Russia believes Belgrade's statements about suspending arms exports, but "we will be checking/verifying ," Naryshkin told TASSHere you go, my handsome flaggies, why is Russia melting down only now about Serbian arms to Ukraine?
Did it actually believe the denials back in 2023? Couldn't be me…
https://www.reuters.com/world/leaked-us-intel-document-claims-serbia-agreed-arm-ukraine-2023-04-12/ >>2352129Its difficult for me to see exactly what you are trying to respond to with your ramble of a reply.
My point was that the KKE materially acts against its own imperialist camp more than the sum of all posts online could possibly do. KKE actively blocks shipments of arms to Ukraine, often with serious legal consequences.
Example:
https://www.idcommunism.com/2025/06/greece-members-of-kke-are-prosecuted-for-their-antiwar-activities.html
>KKE officially treats the invasion of Ukraine and the invasion of Iraq as equally imperialisticI don't what rhetorical point trying to imply here. Say two countries are imperialist is simply saying that they share ths characteristic in common. It doesn't make them identical in other respects (that's absurd and a genetic fallacy).
The KKE merely claims that Russia is an imperialist power, and that aims in Ukraine are not limited to geopolitical defense (no nato on the borders) nor removal of Ukrainian Nazis. It also seeks for its own capitalist class to secure cheaper labour, a captive market for sales, commodity transit routes, fertile agricultural land, mineral deposits & whatever Soviet industrial legacy remains. On this basis there is no need for any serious communist organization to support the Russian government either materially or rhetorically.
>it doesn't appear to have the opinion that the Zelensky government is illegitimateI have no idea where you got the idea that it considers the Ukrainian government as legitimate (presumably directly out of your ass).
It refused to meet with him when he entered Greek parliament:
https://www.idcommunism.com/2022/04/no-to-zelensky-why-kke-will-not-attend-zelensky-address-to-greek-parliament.html—
At the end of the day, you are simply wrong. The KKE, albeit small, represents an actual force that is against both camps, #and not just rhetorically, but in deeds as well.
>>2352365>I don’t understand your post, but have you considered that KKE has performed some adventurism?Okay, brilliant.
>>2352388In so far as they present the invasion as imperialism against the Ukrainian people under Zelensky, rather than a conflict between Russia and a NATO puppet government
>>2352485Ah.. thanks?
The secret is remembering this is still essentially a
4chan 8chan off shoot and not the room above a pub in East Victorian London full of fugitive communist dissidents from all four corners drafting manifestos and getting into drunken manly fist fights over the details.
It's just not that cool nor as important.
>>2352363Best part of the article is
>Serbia recognizes Ukraine in its entirety, including areas occupied by Russia since 2014, while Kyiv refuses to recognise independence of Kosovo, Serbia’s predominantly Albanian former province.Cuckposting has ascended to being a legit journalistic practice, kudos.
Other than that the article says very little other than unverified “leaked” Pentagon and Serbian documents suggest that Russia should break neutrality with Serbia right away.
>>2352463
>Have you considered that actually materially affecting the war effort is merely adventurism, and posting incomprehensible masturbatory rhetoric is real praxis.>Also subtly shifts the conversation away from saying the KKE isn't anti-campist.You are weak and pathetic shill for a government of literal traitors to the USSR.
Άιντε και πουλά το μουνί της μάνας σου στους προδότες να ευχαριστήθεις.
>>2352485No thanks. Looks like a standard degenerate to me.
I am only here to put put the KKE line. Greek communists know we are unlikable hardliners; It comes from decades of operating in openly repressive conditions after a civil war.
>>2352619The only benefit of this war is its destructive effects, sharpening antagonisms, making people lose their families for the dysfunctional relative individual profit seeking of various capitalist concerns on all sides.
Harsh rape will help at least some people realize not only that the rapists must be put to death, but the conditions, forces & systems which allow and encourage rape must be put yo death as well.
>>2352365I still think the KKE has the best ideological credentials for a modern CP and its behavior makes sense as a form of political maneuvering that preserves its independence. Arguing Russia is imperialist is backfilling, but it necessarily opposed the SMO after years of opposing Maidan in order to remain independent while arguing its own, bigger solution disowning the entire order of states
The thread just argued it's nonsense to believe globalization broke down via inter imperialist rivalry. The advanced states and their collective exploitation isn't breaking down by core periphery for this reason. It's the erosion of uneven development fueling a crisis of liberalism that drives the West to war to redivide the world. It is now the one building an iron curtain
>>2352633I think the problem is that everyone's still trying to apply the conditions imperialism arose in to the conditions of today. We're no longer experiencing conflicts spark as various imperial powers expand into each other and step on each other's toes, we're instead seeing a conglomerate of united imperial powers reaching the zenith of its expansion and its influence beginning to recede.
Naturally as imperial influence recedes, things like trade and diplomacy between nations will thrive in the vacuum left behind and I believe NATO will try what it can to ensure there's scorched earth to ensure their loss of imperial influence is not replaced by, like, normal inter-state relations that have existed for as long as states has.
It would therefore be a mistake to see something like Ukraine as being tantamount to the British Empire and the French Empire having a fight in Europe because they'd both really like to have Djibouti or some such situation, but more like the US tried and failed to assimilate Ukraine with the expectation of that involving voluntarily burning its bridges with Russia, then an attempt to assimilate Ukraine by having it involuntarily burning its bridges with Russia and now it just seeks to ensure that if the US can't have Ukraine as a vassal, then Russia can't have it as a regional partner either.
Grim tinhat predictions are therefore, Africa is going to get really fucking wild as the West comes to realise that
>A. it's not going to get far in it's demands towards a continent it previously enslaved based neither the economic "policies" it offers, nor the kind of liberal democratic values it really cares about now but didn't in the 1700s>B. yuck, that probably means China, Russia and god knows who else will benefit from Africa's resources instead by virtue of being able to at least trade with its nations>C. it would be therefore preferable that no one benefits from African resources, and that should be achieved by any means necessary, up to and including scorched earth >>2352704Article 5 is literally a nothing burger
It says something like:
“If a member state is attacked, the other members must support the attacked country*
*support can be defined any way the supporting country desires”
>>2352820*Vodka
I'm too used to talking about MMA
>>2352784They could have used that screen for their drones
SMH hoholggas
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