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/ukr/ - Russia-Ukraine War General #242

<Eternal Fizzling Special


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Evidence of the influence and origin of neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine

https://archive.ph/44B9Q
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323637
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323658
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323663
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323688
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323729
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323733
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323731
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323735
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323740

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ALWAYS APPROACH SOURCES CRITICALLY

Live maps and updates
DeepStateMap: https://deepstatemap.live
Events in Ukraine: https://eventsinukraine.substack.com/
SouthFront: https://southfront.press/category/all-articles/world/europe/ukraine/

Watch Together
📺 News/events: https://tv.leftypol.org/r/HappeningsviaKlash
📺 Hangout/chill: https://tv.leftypol.org/r/bloodcast

Watch By Yourself
>Video Essays / Historical Background
📺 • Ukraine: The Avoidable War - Boy Boy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL4eNy4FCs8

📺 • Ukraine's Nazi Problem - The Marxist Project
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yZvWAwU5W4

📺 • America, Russia, and Ukraine's Far Right - Gravel Institute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0pyVJG7_6Q

📺 • The Nature of Putin's Russia and Its Causes (3-Part Series) - 1Dime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8d6Vzi7zYg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zODWTfMwFGw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zuygh9Mzuo

<Current Happenings

📺 • The Grayzone: https://www.youtube.com/@thegrayzone7996
📺 • DDGeopolitics: https://www.youtube.com/@DDGeopolitics
📺 • Defense Politics Asia: https://www.youtube.com/@DefensePoliticsAsia
📺 • The Duran: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdeMVChrumySxV9N1w0Au-w
📺 • The News Atlas: https://www.youtube.com/c/thenewatlas
📺 • Military Summary: https://www.youtube.com/@militarysummary

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Social media
>Twitter
https://twitter.com/GeromanAT
https://twitter.com/plnewstoday
https://twitter.com/RALee85
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https://twitter.com/KofmanMichael
https://twitter.com/IntelCrab
https://twitter.com/michaelh992
https://twitter.com/Suriyakmaps

<Telegram

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Thread guidelines:
• Please remember to add a spoiler to NSFW and extreme content such as graphic violence and gore.
• Try your best to not derail discussion too much from the main events and relevant places where the war is taken place, as well as other happenings, groups and public figures related to it.
• Meta discussion of the historical, philosophical and ideological background of the war is fine as long as its done in good faith and comradely.
• In the event the meta discussion overstays its welcome, participating users will be referred to take the conversation to the INTERNATIONALISM general thread.
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CUCKTIN DO SOMETHING FOR BOG'S SAKE

>>2349794
Putin is waiting for the US to bury itself into Iran to PUSH the offensive and destroy Ukraine. Don't rush him, trust the plan.

>>2349798
Cucktin isn't a young man anymore
He can drop dead at any moment
He must act, NOW

>>2349802
Putin is 72
Trump is 79

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>>2349831
I did not say trump will not die
whether orange retard lives or not doesn't matter
Putin must do what he gotta do
Enough cuckxcuses

>>2349802
>>2349836
Stop rushing Putin this isn't counter strike.

>>2349840
He's listening to us you know, but legal troubles and bureaucracy prevent him from replying to us.

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>>2349775
Queen of Dengism with Russian Characteristics

>dems under obama
>reps under trump
>the left after 2016
nobody is antiwar in the west it seems. all it took was imperial decline and infighting

>>2349904

I (semiwestoid living in west) am pro war as fuck. I just wanna see the the US, UK, EU, Canada and Australia burn to the ground getting what they deserve.

I would like to see Japan spared because it is under occupation.

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offtopic but I will post it anyway

>>2349977
>I would like to see Japan spared because it is under occupation.
Japan can be spared if they apologize for what they did to China and kick out Yankees.

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>>2350604
where was this shit ?


someone could have just awoke from a coma of two years and nothing new would have happened regarding this "conflict"

>>2350626
Ukraine ?.

>>2350604
>filthy zigger imperialists want to destroy this national project, how evil

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You faggots just let the thread die. You don't even post anything related to the war for like two years now.

>>2350879
That was a particularly long grass touching session

>>2350879
What is there to post about? A couple of arrows on a map?

>>2350918
he ain't me

>>2350927
Ah did you pick a new flag during the last reset of the board? That guy sounds like he needs to touch some grass tbf

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>>2350940
Ushanka anon touched grass, but the grass was the killing fields and thus he was reborn.

>>2350951
Lmao good lore

How many meters did Cucktin get this week, zizters? 3 or dare I even dream of such a feat… 3.5m?

>>2350970
Sounds like a thousand sqkm of your headspace, but then that’s achieved every week

>>2350983
It was only one meter, wasn't it?

>>2350940
Yeah, that actually was a while ago, lol. Like an year or so ago? I considered switching back to ushanka but it doesn't really matter.
I do agree that this thread is pretty much dead, every theoretical question has been argued to death back in 2022-2023, these days we get more concern trolling than constructive posts and there are only 2-3 posters who occasionally post relevant content including me
Btw I miss old 8ch /leftypol/, at least back then the anti-anti-imperialist opposition believed in something, namely anarchism or bookchinism, nowadays we have this very strange kind of poster that operates in bastardizing everything down to downright absurd abstractions like "anti-imperialism is hypernationalism and basic marxism is le ideology", who believes in nothing but contrarianism and cannot be debated

>>2350997
No argument from me, I’m kinda visiting the thread less and less because each time it usually is some kind of concern trolling and I’ve said my piece on
>has cucktin considered, like, winning? It’s so easy
Enough times and then discovered that was basically one anon 90% of the time and it’s the felix fan, so it’s not even an old discussion for new anons, which yeah, I should have known.

For me, the thread peaked during the tank debates, super-ultra-mega upgraded Slovenian T-55 vs ancient and desperate T-62Ms. Where Armata? /k/ briefly becoming very racist towards Ukrainians when the first pictures of an abandoned Leopard 2 appeared, etc, etc.

>>2350986
If you're judging this by distance then Ukraine is still losing.

Also the irony of using the champagne socialism flag while actively expressing contempt for western anti-campists playing both side-ism with western imperialism went on for longer than I originally intended, while I’m not sure said anti-campists actually ever picked up on it.

>>2350997
I still check in but unless something changes, it seems like the conflict is moving towards a Korea-style ending as it is overshadowed by other global events

>>2351133

The KKE is anti-campist and has done more actual material damage to the western war effort than all online posts worldwide combined since the war started.

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>>2351588
clearly you forgot

collapse imminent?

>>2351588
<"the murders of civilians is the most atrocious and barbarous picture of the imperialistic wars from whenever it comes from wherever they take place, either now in Ukraine due to the Russian invasion or in the past in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Syria and elsewhere with the responsibility of USA and NATO."
>KKE officially treats the invasion of Ukraine and the invasion of Iraq as equally imperialistic
As an idea, that's the most damaging of all. I can't comprehend the misunderstanding of imperialism required to treat as equal
>Invading a country in another continent, based on a lie, for crude oil and killing an extreme amount of civilians in the first two weeks of "shock and awe" intended to terrify people from resisting
and
>Invading a neighbour that has experienced a foreign coup, brought a nascent Neo-Nazi movement into a position of leadership that agitates for genocide of people who speak your language and demands the privilege of further expanding an imperialist military alliance to your borders
The fact is that the former was based on a lie about self-defence and the latter is genuinely about self-defence, even if you find invasion-as-self-defence disagreeable.

The reason why their position demonstrates that there are no western anti-campists, is that they're doing the US/NATO, to my mind, two favours.
Firstly, they're doing the Call of Duty thing by which something the US did (in this case the invasion of Iraq for its resources/market) is now ackshually something the Russians have done (equally invading Ukraine for its resources/market) while conveniently ignoring that while US self-defence against Iraqi WMDs was a complete and utter lie, that Ukraine has a problem with Neo-Nazis and NATO is utilising them for hostile expansion towards Russia's borders and bringing more "First Strike" materiel to more of the border of Russia, isn't a lie, it's demonstrably true. There is absolutely no reason why the KKE who fronts itself as wringing a fist against NATO would neglect to stress that difference.

Secondly, although it's full of critique of Zelensky, it doesn't appear to have the opinion that the Zelensky government is illegitimate, again presumably because acknowledging the coup in 2014 and the fact that the US had serious doubts about the validity of Ukrainian election outcomes prior, but is absolutely confident that no shenanigans have occured in elections since the coup, where each consecutive government was more aggressively anti-Russian than the last, would hurt their prior point that there's no dimension of self-defence to this conflict with Russia and it's just Colin Powell but in the Duma presenting a copy of Mein Kampf sworn to have been discovered in Ukraine.

By all means, if one wants to make the argument that Russia shouldn't have invaded or otherwise done anything violent in self-defence against NATO expansionism and its use of Neo-Nazism to stoke the kind of ethnic hatred that apparently requires, then fine. I think that is an extremely unreasonable expectation to have, but I get that some people are moralists and like to imagine shouldas and oughtas rather than just analysing what actually happened and is happening, but we can at least agree that NATO expansionism is something that warrants self-defence by its targets.

But that doesn't seem to be something the KKE agrees with, thus, they're not anti-campists.

>>2350604
So : Putin>>>Stalin>>Lenin/Engels/Marx ?, I thought as much.

>>2352127
Russians aren't in a hurry. I don't think I've ever seen an "advancing glacier" strat, except in map games.

>>2350879
>You faggots just let the thread die. You don't even post anything related to the war for like two years now.
No way, I'm still morbidly curious which will come first: the hohols popping Putin (with UK/US assistance) or Putin finally reaching Kiev (or at least deposing the Zelensky government).

>>2351447
Nothing is changing.
Putin is still pursuing his four-oblast Istanbul agreement and calling it quits. Everything else is merely pressure in that direction.
He'll sign the agreement with either Zelensky or Zelensky's Banderite successor.
A book is no fun when you know the spoilers.

Luka is restarting diplomatic communications with the West.
Probably hedging because he doesn't know whether his military agreement with Russia is worth any more than Iran's non-military agreement with Russia.
Will Svengali Trump succeed in turning Belarus into another Serbian/Armenian/Indian fence-sitter state? Time will tell!

Not going to lie, impressed Zelensky lasted this long. Thought the Nazis would have coup'd his ass by now.

>>2350970
Putin's weak approach to his SMO and refusal to respond proportionately to NATOid aggressions will continue to be felt on the geostrategic stage for at least the next decade.

>>2350604
The great socdem burning


>>2352191
More than the far-right in Ukraine didn't knock him out themselves. My thought is they would be full blood for the blood god, and want the war to accelerate and go harder by this point.

>>2352195
He's doing everything they want, no?
No concessions to Russia, concentrating the activity in Russian villages so that Lvov and other far-right areas don't suffer, mobilizing/kidnapping from only Russian areas.

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That reminds me…
Zelensky status?

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>>2351588
*wheeze*
hahaha
hehehe
hohoho

>>2352175
>>2352200
there's not much reason for the nazis to take him out. he's doing everything they want and the west would be pissed. trump might not care so much but the euros would throw a fit. what gain? the next person would do all the same stuff anyway.

>>2352205
>(You)
Says everything about the motivation behind this image lmao

>>2352224
I'd at least open it in another browser before producing something like that

>>2352224
Duh. I was in a conversation thread with your dumb buddy when I made that image.

flag fags really are the dumbest and most gullible posters around. it's not surprising that their excuses for cuckler hinge on believing random boomer clickbait. I'd be content with cuckler too if I believed plan-trusting clickbait.

>>2352236
Yeah but it’s less funny when the image is provably not from an impartial perspective, that it’s about seething about an internet debate you presumably didn’t win or worse you consider yourself to have won

>>2352224
Intbrig anon isn't even a Cucktin poster as far as i can tell. Imagine the butthurt muh both sides redditoids suffer over the likes of Iron Felix and hardline MLs while browsing /leftypol/

>>2352242
Yes, thanks for your impartial perspective on who won le Internet debate. Wouldn't you know it, it's your BFF.

>>2352243
IntBrig anon was criticizing Cucktin poster analysis while showing that his preferred analysis is dumb clickbait.

I'll make the Champagne flowchart when board search works again. It'll be good to let everyone see why he's so obsessed and butthurt about Cucktin posters.

>>2352244
I’m not the one who made the image, I’m just saying, leaving evidence that it’s the result of an internet debate you personally had and still have strong enough feelings about to make an image over, is not the choice I’d have made comedically.

>>2352247
Well alright, you do you, but a minor request: rather than a flowchart, could it be presented as a cookery book?
>ChampSoc’s how to cook emoposters for dummies
<15 recipes to cook emoposters that will impress your anonymous internet friends

>>2352250
I'm the one who made the image. I was in a conversation with your BFF. It's my opinion that it completely destroyed his psyche.
It's like the time I destroyed your psyche with the demonstration that Cucktin is self-evidently a cuck because his name contains 'cuck' in it.

I suddenly remembered when Sage and Haz were going at it lol
I'm glad they are both gone anyway
But it sounded like that
"I fucked you" No I fucked you"
Small penis energy tbh

>>2352252
The difficulty I have is that I don't know who was pretending to be Iron Felix. It's no fun showing that even that retard got the better of you when it wasn't him.

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>>2352254
oh its you lol

you take this meme shit way to seriously

[reposting because typos are beneath me]
>>2352268
I take all my battles seriously, no matter the format. What you kids need to realize is that a person who aims for perfection in the little things has a better chance of achieving perfection in the big things.

>>2352279
>Perfection
>Left the (You) in
Keep working at it sport.

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Bonus track

Nearly forgot why I was actually here. I save things with (you) on them as well. But they are for easy looking up of discussion that I have been over and I assume will repeat themselves (imperialism yada-yada, the cucktinists I don't actually care about, at least they are living in the real world with us). I maintain it is not vanity but a defense mechanism against the "leftcom" invading "force" that loves repetition so much they literally post the same thing every day with barely any variation.
I'm not saying that's an attack to make the place inhospitable, only that if I were tasked with that, that is what it would look like. Point is it doesn't matter whether they do it consciously, paid or unpaid.
>>2350997
Yes, I miss when my opp actually believed in things or (at least) inhabited the same reality. At this point there's no basis for discussion, 'tis very true.
Insofar as anything can be gleaned from this place about the wider world, it's in my most humble estimation yet another variation of "I'm totally an enemy of the present state of things, however…" which will be what a large part of the western left (so-called) will ultimately end up as (or already has), with war propaganda coming to the forefront it is somewhat important to be "neutered" (sounds essentially the same as "alternatives/communism work in theory, however in reality [most imperialist, chauvinist shit you ever heard]), lest you actually end up as "enemy of the state" and that's not what they signed up for.

>>2352279
Ah, 'tis true.
Somewhere in the Buddhist canon it says "The way someone does one thing is the way they do everything"

>>2352282
Why would I hide the (You)?
It was obvious when I first posted the image mid-conversation that I was the one who made the image, and I'm not one of you cuck kids who need to shirk responsibility. I stand by my creations.

>>2352286
>Somewhere in the Buddhist canon it says "The way someone does one thing is the way they do everything"
Exactly right. For my victory over IntBrig, I had the five most recent /ukr/ threads open in separate tabs, meticulously documenting his posts. I waited patiently for my opening and took it.
Most kids around here have only one or two tabs open.

>>2352246
I wouldn't call Mercouris' dry lectures and interviews with very relevant experts dumb clickbait. If you do go ahead, but I guess Wolff, Sachs, Mearsheimer, McGovern, etc. all like to watch such content.

>>2352290
So why do you need search to come back online to cherrypick posts to make a flowchart meme starring me that is intended to be a very serious and perfect article describing your position?

And when I say they don't believe in anything I don't mean in a cool way.
It's always pure whining that makes you think "what are you doing here", did you get here just to say nothing matters and there is no difference between good things and bad things?

<Russia believes Belgrade's statements about suspending arms exports, but "we will be checking/verifying ," Naryshkin told TASS
Here you go, my handsome flaggies, why is Russia melting down only now about Serbian arms to Ukraine?
Did it actually believe the denials back in 2023? Couldn't be me…

https://www.reuters.com/world/leaked-us-intel-document-claims-serbia-agreed-arm-ukraine-2023-04-12/

>>2352129

Its difficult for me to see exactly what you are trying to respond to with your ramble of a reply.

My point was that the KKE materially acts against its own imperialist camp more than the sum of all posts online could possibly do. KKE actively blocks shipments of arms to Ukraine, often with serious legal consequences.

Example: https://www.idcommunism.com/2025/06/greece-members-of-kke-are-prosecuted-for-their-antiwar-activities.html

>KKE officially treats the invasion of Ukraine and the invasion of Iraq as equally imperialistic


I don't what rhetorical point trying to imply here. Say two countries are imperialist is simply saying that they share ths characteristic in common. It doesn't make them identical in other respects (that's absurd and a genetic fallacy).

The KKE merely claims that Russia is an imperialist power, and that aims in Ukraine are not limited to geopolitical defense (no nato on the borders) nor removal of Ukrainian Nazis. It also seeks for its own capitalist class to secure cheaper labour, a captive market for sales, commodity transit routes, fertile agricultural land, mineral deposits & whatever Soviet industrial legacy remains. On this basis there is no need for any serious communist organization to support the Russian government either materially or rhetorically.

>it doesn't appear to have the opinion that the Zelensky government is illegitimate


I have no idea where you got the idea that it considers the Ukrainian government as legitimate (presumably directly out of your ass).

It refused to meet with him when he entered Greek parliament:

https://www.idcommunism.com/2022/04/no-to-zelensky-why-kke-will-not-attend-zelensky-address-to-greek-parliament.html



At the end of the day, you are simply wrong. The KKE, albeit small, represents an actual force that is against both camps, #and not just rhetorically, but in deeds as well.

>>2351072
0.5 meter, huh?

>>2352365
Somehow you've managed to be more boring than Champagne himself. This is a marvel.

>>2352366
I definitely do hold Cuckler responsible for letting posters like you thrive.

>>2352368

Apologies, but to be fair there is no way I could make anything that could possibly appeal to a drug addled, pornbrained, algorithm ruined, etc. degenerate consumerists such as a large portion of those that use this site.

>>2352129
>it doesn't appear to have the opinion that the Zelensky government is illegitimate
>legitimacy
Lib

>>2352365
>I don’t understand your post, but have you considered that KKE has performed some adventurism?
Okay, brilliant.


>>2352388
In so far as they present the invasion as imperialism against the Ukrainian people under Zelensky, rather than a conflict between Russia and a NATO puppet government

>>2352172
If this is actually Trump’s strategy w/r/t Russia then he is even more retarded than I thought

>>2352388
in the eyes of the law he's illegitimate yes. they should acknowledge that

>>2352384
Champagne can actually serve as a role model for you. He knows he's tedious to read, but he kindly throws in pop cultural references like Call of Duty to keep it real. His tone is also more welcoming. Now, he's obviously not a stable guy, but he's come a long way over the last year or two and seems to be responding well to whatever treatments he's undergoing, even if that treatment is only the passage of time. I dare say that he even posts with a kind of suaveness, as if he's getting a fair fill of sexual activity.

>>2352465
I dunno, bro/sis, every time I think there's no way someone will fall for such obvious schemes, Svengali Trump manages to retardize his target hypnotically.

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damn that's so sad, Alexa play 10 hours of farting sounds

>live heartbroken mother reaction

>>2352501
Daily Mail keeping it classy

>>2352501
>Heartbroken mother
>Clearly her Facebook profile, not looking very heartbroken
The media in this country man, I don’t know how I came out of such a low effort island.

>>2352509
even news articles are riddled with typos these days

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>>2352485
Ah.. thanks?
The secret is remembering this is still essentially a 4chan 8chan off shoot and not the room above a pub in East Victorian London full of fugitive communist dissidents from all four corners drafting manifestos and getting into drunken manly fist fights over the details.
It's just not that cool nor as important.

Why can't Cuckler tell ok.ru to stop responding to copyright takedown requests?


>>2352363
Best part of the article is
>Serbia recognizes Ukraine in its entirety, including areas occupied by Russia since 2014, while Kyiv refuses to recognise independence of Kosovo, Serbia’s predominantly Albanian former province.
Cuckposting has ascended to being a legit journalistic practice, kudos.

Other than that the article says very little other than unverified “leaked” Pentagon and Serbian documents suggest that Russia should break neutrality with Serbia right away.

>>2352463

>Have you considered that actually materially affecting the war effort is merely adventurism, and posting incomprehensible masturbatory rhetoric is real praxis.

>Also subtly shifts the conversation away from saying the KKE isn't anti-campist.

You are weak and pathetic shill for a government of literal traitors to the USSR.

Άιντε και πουλά το μουνί της μάνας σου στους προδότες να ευχαριστήθεις.

>>2352485

No thanks. Looks like a standard degenerate to me.

I am only here to put put the KKE line. Greek communists know we are unlikable hardliners; It comes from decades of operating in openly repressive conditions after a civil war.


>>2352619

The only benefit of this war is its destructive effects, sharpening antagonisms, making people lose their families for the dysfunctional relative individual profit seeking of various capitalist concerns on all sides.

Harsh rape will help at least some people realize not only that the rapists must be put to death, but the conditions, forces & systems which allow and encourage rape must be put yo death as well.

>>2352365
I still think the KKE has the best ideological credentials for a modern CP and its behavior makes sense as a form of political maneuvering that preserves its independence. Arguing Russia is imperialist is backfilling, but it necessarily opposed the SMO after years of opposing Maidan in order to remain independent while arguing its own, bigger solution disowning the entire order of states
The thread just argued it's nonsense to believe globalization broke down via inter imperialist rivalry. The advanced states and their collective exploitation isn't breaking down by core periphery for this reason. It's the erosion of uneven development fueling a crisis of liberalism that drives the West to war to redivide the world. It is now the one building an iron curtain

Upcoming reports:
>Unconfirmed WhatsApp leak confirms Orban is fucking Putin’s woman
>Blurry image depicts Fico pissing on the eternal flame
>Anonymous CIA source claims Aurus gifted to Kim-Jong Un was branded as “shit” and now is currently used as a taxi in Nampo

>>2352586
They got busted for standing in front of a truck for a bit, that’s all I could see in the article, meaning they’ve not succeeded in actually preventing weapons reaching Ukraine because they’d need to be quite a bit more influential for that. Influence they won’t gain by being like
>Yes NATO bad, but then NATO narratives about its opposition also valid

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LMAO

>>2352704
>define NATO
>define committed
>define define

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>>2352619
Is Al Mayadeen like Al Jazeera but good?

>>2352633
I think the problem is that everyone's still trying to apply the conditions imperialism arose in to the conditions of today. We're no longer experiencing conflicts spark as various imperial powers expand into each other and step on each other's toes, we're instead seeing a conglomerate of united imperial powers reaching the zenith of its expansion and its influence beginning to recede.

Naturally as imperial influence recedes, things like trade and diplomacy between nations will thrive in the vacuum left behind and I believe NATO will try what it can to ensure there's scorched earth to ensure their loss of imperial influence is not replaced by, like, normal inter-state relations that have existed for as long as states has.

It would therefore be a mistake to see something like Ukraine as being tantamount to the British Empire and the French Empire having a fight in Europe because they'd both really like to have Djibouti or some such situation, but more like the US tried and failed to assimilate Ukraine with the expectation of that involving voluntarily burning its bridges with Russia, then an attempt to assimilate Ukraine by having it involuntarily burning its bridges with Russia and now it just seeks to ensure that if the US can't have Ukraine as a vassal, then Russia can't have it as a regional partner either.

Grim tinhat predictions are therefore, Africa is going to get really fucking wild as the West comes to realise that
>A. it's not going to get far in it's demands towards a continent it previously enslaved based neither the economic "policies" it offers, nor the kind of liberal democratic values it really cares about now but didn't in the 1700s
>B. yuck, that probably means China, Russia and god knows who else will benefit from Africa's resources instead by virtue of being able to at least trade with its nations
>C. it would be therefore preferable that no one benefits from African resources, and that should be achieved by any means necessary, up to and including scorched earth

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BOMB THEM MORE

>>2352704
Article 5 is literally a nothing burger
It says something like:
“If a member state is attacked, the other members must support the attacked country*
*support can be defined any way the supporting country desires”

>>2352742
Above ground school status?

>>2352743
not even that, article 5 isn't automatically triggered, so they have to come to a unanimous decision through voting lol and even if member states agree they get to decide how much support to send

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🔮 As I peered into þe future, unfurling þe arcane scroll of fate, þrough visions veiled, þhings revealed themselves to me. Dost þou yearn to gaze 🧿 upon it ? 🎱

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>mr. President, the russians are advancing. You must activate it…the cope case

>>2352784
I bet it's not even any good. I mean Vodka can only be so good. You can run bottom shelf vodka through a water filter and it gets better.

>>2352797
Vodka truly is the bottom tier alco drink of choice

>>2352802
Vodka is quite good if it's ice cold and you have pickles. But on the spot I would have anything else

>>2352802
I remember very briefly there was an attempt to make vodka a connoisseur’s spirit on the level of whiskey, describing one I remember as having “marshmallow” notes in its flavour profile.

Volka is based because it gets you drunk cheap. I struggle to understand people that see alcohol as anything other than a drug.

>>2352820
*Vodka
I'm too used to talking about MMA

>>2352802
All high ethanol drinks taste the same. That's what you're fucking tasting. Adding ridiculous flavors on top is pointless and actually makes it taste worse.

Vodka is good because it's easy to mix with other stuff like lemonade and the alcohol flavor wont stand out too strong meanwhile you still get a good buzz

Is it weird that I’ve never tasted champagne before?

>>2352834
Yeah pretty strange. Do you never go to parties? It tastes like ass anyways so you're not missing anything.

>>2352838
Not the kind of parties that have champagne, it was more Lambrini in a plastic cup kind of parties

>>2352834
Champagne is just wine but worse and more expensive

Also absinthe is the best

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lel

>>2353033
Quite concerned that when his time is up, he’ll be running to the UK. I mean that is assuming the Banderabunker wasn't actually in London this whole time.

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agreed?

>>2353033
He’s meeting His Majesty the King and he still couldn’t wear a fucking suit? And did he say thank you?!?

>>2353082
It is embarrassing how much Eastern Europeans beg to be seen as ‘Europeans’

>>2353135
he did wear something more like a suit as you can see, though

>>2352784
They could have used that screen for their drones
SMH hoholggas

>>2353137
Still not a suit

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Words_of_War

AYO anyone already watch this slow-burn, bone chilling, atmospheric Marvel-esque banger about le epic liberal dissident journaliSSt trying to save wholesome islamist terrorists from the totalitarian ruZZian state?

>>2353152
>In February 2023, the family of Anna Politkovskaya released a joint statement expressing concern about the factual accuracy of the script they had been given at the start of production, that they had not contributed in any way, nor had they granted permission for their names to be used in the film

>>2353152
>She was subjected to a mock execution using a BM-21 Grad multiple-launch rocket system
they don't even try to make this shit believable holy fuck lmao

>>2353211
literally the same playbook as DPRK executing their political prisoners with rocket launchers?

>>2353201
umm obviously the ruZZians made them say that duh

>>2353152
>In her final interview, she described Kadyrov—now president of Chechnya—as the "Chechen Stalin of our days"
uh based?

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👀

>>2353879
100 years to conquer Ukraine have decreased to only 20, big deal

Hurry up Putin, wtf. Iran fucked up Israel and you are still jerking around.

>>2353889
>wars are when you occupy land and the more land you occupy the better
hoi4 brain

>>2354121
>wars are sending people to get killed in random fields endlessly for no reason except for listening to the cuck in chief casually throwing around the ‘N word’

He's half wearing a suit to meet Trump

>>2354130

fuck its over

>>2352834
>>2352824
Literally nothing better than an icy cold one.

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Russian map of Stalingrad battle vs Ukrainian map of Stalingrad battle

>>2354134
I don't get it

>>2354136
Russian map has arrows painted towards Nazi forces, with Russians advancing, and Ukrainian map has arrows painted towards Soviet forces, and even out of encirclement

>>2354137
Oh right

>>2354137
Wouldnt that depend on which phase of the battle it's showing?

>>2354144
It's supposed to be the flow of battle overall, not just German plans

did they capture kharkiv yet?

>>2354156
Oblasts will be captured in this order : Lugansk -> Zaporozhye -> Donetsk -> Sumy -> Kherson -> Chernigov -> Kharkov -> Poltava -> Mykolaiv -> Dnepropetrovsk -> Odessa, between September 2025, and August 2026.

Today I saw a video where Americans were gloating over Europeans, because in a hypothetical of Germany, France and Britain joining USA as a single 51st state, they would be the poorest USA state. In the comments, Euroids were seethings and calling GDP a fake metric

How the turns have tabled, lmao

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>Pigeon of Peace logo of the SS (Streletskaya Sich) Division Galichina

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how overjoyed he is to be in the presence of daddy trump

>>2354210
didn't they just announce that they finished liberating Lugansk?

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Remember when ziggers in 2023 were saying Wagner didn't exist?

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>>2354238
Don't think so, there are still small pockets, and 1 tough one. Second pic are the changes in 1 year of advance.

>>2354254
What? 2023 was Bakhmut dumbass. Were you actually newly assigned to our thread? At least read the fucking docket the agency gave you retard

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Now that the motorcyle cavalry tactic turned out to be shit, what is next to the crafty russians? Are they gonna go all Hamas and start using gliders?

>>2354572
Why do you download gore created by fascists on your phone? Imagine if people you knew found that out about you

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>>2354572
Corpses exchange rate status?

At the very best situation for Ukraine, when Ukraine was attacking and gaining ground - and collecting enemy corpses, - at best the exchange rate was equal

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Miguel and Luka

>>2354749
I’m sorry but Miguel has absolutely 0 aura

>>2354756
have you seen luka in that pic

>>2354572
>>2354572
why hohols hiding?

>>2354756
I get that, but he's competent at least.

>>2349876
Who is that?

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You can multiply your bank account x1.22 thanks to the Z man, did you thank him yet?

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>>2354572
Anon, both sides have been using atvs and motorbikes for a while now. Get with the times.

>>2355055
Some cute girl that was attending the Leningrad economic forum recently.

>>2355135
For what purpose? It's not like they are moving at all

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>>2355183
Not entirely true, the Ukrainians are moving backwards because they're winning so much.

>>2352355
It does seem like no matter what is happening and in every thread some little worm comes squirming out of the woodwork to announce how this new event has blackpilled them and there's no hope for them or communism or anything good ever again. It's so tiresome.

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look at that smile

This is an interimperialist conflict

>>2355585
say the phrase bart

>>2354572
No it didn't? Just cuz u post one compilation doesn't mean it's not overall doing what it's supposed to, which is to make it so it's impossible to stop the whole squad with one drone. Even the fact that the video has to cut on beat to distract from the fact that no tactical goal was achieved proves that. Successful advances are continuing to be made, and territory is continuing to be gained, while the corpse exchange stats clearly show who's dying 10x the rate of the other side. Keep coping like the delusional NAFoid you are.

>>2355585
anarchists and ultraleft beat ya to it

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>>2355683
>anarchists
they beat us to joining Azov

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lmfao

The corpse exchange cope has to stop especially if one side is progressing even slowly.

>>2355930
This is what a losing side that can't produce any enemy corpses would say

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>>2355759
So this book was right after all ?…

>>2355759
>Quote: "We expect Russia to continue its tactic of small territorial gains despite the heavy losses it is suffering.

>Quote: "He genuinely thinks he is winning, but that is based on false information he is receiving. Because of this, Ukrainians should brace for a difficult summer.


>There will be pressure along the entire contact line and it appears to be mounting – that’s why I’m talking about a difficult summer for Ukraine."


Is this what mindbreaks people into being Cucktin posters? This taunting?

>>2355947
>quotes
same energy

>>2355947
Side that is winning is less populated, poorer, doesn't have heavy weaponry anymore and resorts purely to drones and terrorism and begging, competes with Israel for handmedown air defence systems, has troubles with mobilization, loses ground and can't match with the enemy in corpse exchange deals or in pow exchanges either

This is a le interimperialist conflict

I dare le mods to change le interimperialist conflict to something else

>>2355987
>>2355990
Bro thinks he’s the main character

>ukrainian man spotted holding grenade to avoid draft officers
actually smart strat

>>2356448
based, i hope 'ricans have half the ball to do this when the war comes to them.

>>2356449
The war is coming to Puerto Rico? Fuck i hate those fascist uke freaks can't we have anything nice?

>The Slovak politician Marián Kotleba has been found guilty of having distributed checks made out for EUR 1488 in his role as Governor of Banská Bystrica and chair of the “People’s Party Our Slovakia” (ĽSNS)

>>2356453
Puerto Ricans are complicit with Fascist Crackers of America
You will be hit hard too, Pablo

>>2352365
Both sides are bad doesn't make sense because one side is an actual fascist regime which builds monuments to perpetrators of the Holocaust

95% of Hungarians oppose Ukraine joining EU – Orban
https://swentr.site/news/620566-hungary-vote-ukraine-eu/

World’s richest 1% could end poverty 22 times – Oxfam
https://swentr.site/news/620574-worlds-richest-decade-gains-oxfam/

NATO summit is ‘grim sign’ for Kiev – NYT
https://swentr.site/news/620593-nato-summit-grim-sign-kiev/

European militarization robbing [EU] taxpayers – Lavrov
https://swentr.site/russia/620592-european-militarization-robbing-taxpayers/

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It's nyover

>>2355737
>due to lack of KNOWLEDGE and resources
hahahahaha annarkiddies are retarded confirmed

>>2356661
Latest news - in around Israel's defeat - suggest that China threw it's weight and caused the NATO pessimism about the Ukraine as well

>>2356650
But enough about Russia and Ivan Ilyin

>>2356650
This doesn’t work because you are talking to people who think both sides about WWII as well

>>2356669
Unfortunately NAFO hasn't died on leftypol, in fact both siders seem to have multiplied in news/geopolitics threads even compared to 2024 and so has their butthurt about MLs.

>>2356745
mostly because they hate to be wrong on the imperialist issue.
aslo, because lpol is being publicized on X, a lot of radlibs come in to visit.

>>2356745
some how it was a ultra left subreddit that found about this place.

>>2356745
Neolib eastern european shithole intraviolence goes hard

>>2356806
Again the whole charade seems disingenuous when you also believe the same thing about Nazi Germany vs the Soviet Union

>>2356669
>Ukraine flag pfp

>>2356806
Russia has a purchasing power per capita higher than Romenia or Portugal (close to 3x that of Ukraine), a much lower wealth disparity (gini) than the US or Bulgaria, and a higher percentage of industry as share of gdp than Mexico, Taiwan, or Germany. But you're too stupid and ignorant to know anything anyways.

https://aurelien2022.substack.com/p/digging-deeper

>What I have discussed so far could be described as Permanently Operating Factors of politics, which apply in most situations. Here, though, I think there are other, more speculative, but also more dangerous factors operating. Let’s begin by postulating a final state for the current conflict in Ukraine, one which western politicians would hate, but which at least they would understand, since the elements of it are well known and have been widely discussed. Let’s assume that the territories of Ukraine claimed by Russia, as well as Odessa, have been occupied, and that in addition the Russians have established a security zone anything from 50 to 100 kilometres forward, including the whole border area. Let’s assume further that there has been a change of government in Kiev, that a Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation has perhaps been signed between the two countries, that the Constitution of Ukraine has been modified to remove references to NATO membership, and that the country has pledged eternal neutrality. It has demobilised most of its armed forces, and Russian “liaison officers” are now deployed throughout the country. All foreign forces have left, and a law has been passed preventing foreign forces from being deployed in the country ever again. Oh, and the Russians, who are extremely pissed at the western support for Ukraine, have begun a policy of forceful displays, including Corps-level exercises in Belarus on the borders of Latvia and Lithuania, probing flights up to the national airspace of NATO nations, and maritime exercises in the North Sea. They have also tabled a draft treaty text similar to that of December 2021, and made it clear that they hope for signature—with not much room for debate—within six months.


>Now this, I stress, is a reasonable, middle-of-the range politico-military outcome of the current fighting. It could be better, but it could be significantly worse. Nonetheless, it would represent the most catastrophic defeat the wider West has ever suffered, and a political and military humiliation as complete as the surrender of Germany in 1918, except on a massively larger scale. Think of it, if you like as Suez, Algeria, Vietnam and Afghanistan, all happening at the same time, with the volume turned up to eleven. And of course it’s not Over There, it’s just down the road. Any political system would struggle to survive such a crisis, and the current western system, full of mediocre greasy-pole climbers and empty of any real ideology, would find it harder than most. It’s not just the mechanics of it: yes, governments will fall, individual political careers will be over, and new political forces will arise or be strengthened. But every foundation of western security policy, and much of its economic policy as well, will start to crumble under the feet of the hapless western governments. A political void will open up, the like of which hasn’t been seen in politics for a very long time, if ever.


>The West will experience a brutal transformation away from its recent experience of giving orders, making demands and acting without needing to take account of the consequences. Suddenly, it will be receiving demands rather than making them, and having to take very seriously the reaction of other states to its actions. Playtime’s over, boys and girls: it’s time to grow up. And this, I think, is the basis of the apparently irrational obsession with continuing a war that cannot be won. The alternative is to recognise and accept a situation which will be much worse, which is almost literally unthinkable. In the short term, of course, it is possible to deny that anything like the above will actually happen, and the western political class, the media and much allegedly informed opinion will no doubt continue to do so for as long as they possibly can. But then it is surely enough to ask precisely how the type of events sketched out above can be falsified. Is it really feasible to suppose that the Russian advance can be stopped? Is it likely that western behaviour since 2022 will make Russia more kindly disposed? Is it likely that public and parliamentary opinion in Russia will have become more moderate and pro-western during the course of the war? Can the West massively expand its ground and air forces over the next couple of years? You can draw your own conclusions, I think.


>In effect, the western system is hoping for a miracle of some kind. Putin dies or is overthrown in a coup, perhaps China forces him to stop the war, perhaps … well, I don’t know really, but when you begin from the proposition that what look like inevitable developments are in fact unacceptable to you, and thus can’t be allowed to happen, then all you can hope for is that some magical force will intervene to prevent them actually happening. The future reality is too terrible to contemplate, and, no matter how bad the current situation is now, how much it is deteriorating, and indeed how much you are making it worse, it is better than the alternative. In a nutshell, this is why western leaders are carrying on with their present suicidal policies, and also why an entire generation of strategists and pundits are supporting them.


>If there is a single overriding explanation for why governments have historically done stupid things, it is precisely that: the alternative was worse. From a well-stocked cupboard of examples, let’s pluck out a few. The German offensive of 1918 was undertaken because, whilst war games had shown that it was almost certain to fail, and lead to defeat, they also showed that there was a very small chance it would work. So between probable defeat at the hands of the Allies and certain defeat, they chose an option which at least gave them a sniff at victory. The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour in 1941 made no sense strategically, but was preferable to effective surrender and withdrawal from Manchuria, with only a few days’ supplies of oil left in the country. And there was a faint chance it would work. The Argentinian invasion of the Falkland Islands in 1982 was pointless—negotiations were under way to give the islands back—but was seen as preferable by the military junta to their own removal from power and the end of the regime: typically, perhaps, defeat in the war accomplished exactly that. We know that the Soviet Politburo agonised at length over the 1979 invasion of Afghanistan, and eventually decided that going in was the less bad of two bad alternatives. And so on.


>The Japanese example is especially interesting because when it came to 1945, it looks as though the Japanese regime could not actually get their minds around the concept of “surrender.” We say lazily that certain things are “unthinkable” when we mean just that they are unacceptable to us. But there are also things that genuinely cannot be thought, because there is nothing in our experience to make that possible. Beyond the militaristic and ultranationalist mindset of the regime, and beyond the cultural specificities, was the simple fact that Japan had been victorious in war throughout its history, especially recent history, and the only attempted land invasion—that of the Mongols—had been defeated by the Kyushu samurai. It’s not fanciful, I think, to see the western ruling class with much the same mental deficiency: since the end of the Cold War, victory has been assured and, if it has sometimes gone wrong later, as with Afghanistan, there were never any consequences for western countries. For the western ruling class, then, defeat is literally unthinkable: the required neurones are not present. And anyway, defeat would lead to a type of existential terror that it is incapable of dealing with. Better to pursue the current policy, even if there is almost no chance it will work, rather than admit defeat. After all, a miracle might happen, who knows? The alternative is worse.


>And the longer it continues, the worse will be the final consequences, and the harder it will be to explain. One of the things you have to do in government on occasions, is to provide the political leadership with plausible sounding excuses for a change in policy. There’s a whole series of clichés about circumstances changing, adapting to new realities, need for fresh thinking and anyway it’s not our fault it’s somebody else’s. As late as the Istanbul talks in 2022, this would have been feasible, if only just. We can imagine a coordinated response from the West that would have gone something like the following:


<We are surprised and disappointed that Ukraine has agreed to the terms proposed by Russia. We have supported Ukraine for many years against the increasing Russian threat, and we have done everything in our power to prevent this situation occurring. We shall continue to provide Ukraine with political and economic support where possible, in the hope that it will one day be able to recover its lost territories by peaceful means, when a more moderate and sensible Russian government comes to power. In the meantime, as we have been emphasising since 2014, the West must look to its collective defence to deter an increasing powerful and aggressive Russia.


>That might have worked then, at a pinch. There’s no way that anything remotely comparable could work now. If I were the person charged with writing some anodyne self-exculpatory words for a head of state or government in, say, 2026, I have no idea where I would even start. And let’s not even get into what NATO could possibly agree to say collectively: it probably wouldn’t be worth the effort of attempting, because before you can agree on words you have to agree on what you think, and the chances of NATO being able to do that are probably too close to zero to be worth trying to calculate. This is actually part of the problem. There is no vocabulary and no set of concepts that the West can use to explain to itself, let alone to others, the mess it has got itself into, and why it was so wrong for so long. There is no area for debate, no more and less radical positions, only a single rickety edifice of blind belief which no longer corresponds, except accidentally, to reality. When this edifice collapses there will be nothing rational to say, and no way to say it, and this could be extremely dangerous. Oh, there will be much stamping of feet, shaking of fists and sporadic promises of “no surrender,” but in fact the West can do very little. The “escalation” some have detected in western policy over the last couple of years is essentially rhetorical, mixed with a few trivial gestures of defiance. Very soon, the West will no longer be able to afford even such gestures.


>The radical polarisation of the crisis, beyond anything that might have been expected a decade ago, means that even under ideal circumstances the West will find it impossible to talk to the Russians with any coherence. So poisonous have relations become, so deep is the mistrust and hostility between the two sides, so stark and nuance-free are their positions, that it’s hard to know how even the most tentative and informal of talks could actually start. The conceptual gap between the two sides, which was growing worryingly large even before 2022, is now unbridgeable. Western governments will find it impossible to explain what they are doing and why to their own populations, let alone to the Russians.


>One of the least-remarked but most powerful forces in international relations is mutual incomprehension. This goes beyond ethnocentrism—though that’s part of it—and often amounts to a failure to accept that anyone can see the world differently from the way we do. This mutual incomprehension, dangerous enough in peacetime, can become lethal in crisis and conflict, where the historical tendency is for positions to harden and become more radical anyway. This is why I don’t expect any substantive talks between Russia and the West, and why the best we can hope for is a ratcheting down of tension and a mutual snarling match.


>Now of course we shouldn’t assume that nothing will change and that each side will stick rigidly to everything it has said. Normally, nations overbid their hand in a crisis, and privately identify things that they will quietly drop once the bargaining really starts. The Russians, for example, have toned down their remarks about Zelensky’s government not being legitimate, preparatory, I suspect, to throwing that card away if by that they can guarantee a negotiation. Normally, the West would be dong the same, but we are involved instead in an unseemly and unprecedented rush to extremes where western leaders seem determined to out-radicalise each other. This is understandable, of course, if you accept the analysis above, because it is a way of keeping hope alive, no matter how small the spark may be.


>But I suspect that the gap in understanding is now so profound that the normal rules will not apply. There are precedents for this, of course. During the Cold War, both sides flattered themselves that they understood the other, and on detailed and technical issues, it turned out that they often did. But when the first western explorers visited the East after 1989, they returned glassy-eyed, with frightening stories of just how much the two sides had misunderstood everything of real importance about the other. This never got the publicity it deserved, for obvious reasons, but it showed how big a gulf of understanding was actually possible between sophisticated nations. It’s obvious that the West doesn’t understand Russia any better than it did then, And whilst the Russians have a much more solid and professional approach to the crisis, I think it’s also very probable that they don’t understand the West nearly as well as they think they do, either.


>This isn’t really very surprising when we reflect on our personal experience. Whatever your views of the Ukraine conflict, how ready would you be to articulate the views of the opposite side in terms that they would accept? Not very, I suppose. Would you even accept that they had legitimate views to articulate? I’ve tried this kind of experiment over the years in various settings, without much success. Even highly intelligent people often struggle to articulate fairly views that they don’t support, and after a couple of mumbled sentences will say something like “but of course that’s not true,” as though thereby wanting to ritually avoid contamination. At oral examinations, I’ve asked students with strong views on subjects to outline what they think are the major objections to them, or a plausible counter-argument, and the result is an embarrassed silence. Ironically, it wasn’t always thus, even in times that we like to think were less tolerant. (Most of what we know about Gnosticism, for example, comes from polemical writings against it, such as those of Irenaeus, who nonetheless quoted extensively from its arguments.) These days, even admitting that your opponent can make a logical argument for their case is regarded as a kind of weakness, and makes you suspect. Back in 2022, in my small way, I was asked by a few people who knew my interests why I thought the Russians had invaded Ukraine. But after a few minutes, the reaction was often “but how can you say that?” as though it was me who was making the arguments. And after a while, when I was attacked in print by some people for being pro-Russian and by others for being pro-western for saying the same thing, I decided I wasn’t going to answer such questions any more.


>All of which I find very worrying. I don’t think the West has the intellectual capacity to deal with defeat and failure, and I’m not sure the Russians have the capability to understand and predict how the West will react. This, unfortunately, is quite common in history, but here it could be extremely dangerous. Countries that suffer unexpected and inexplicable defeats often relapse into self-pitying victim mode, complete with complicated conspiracy theories. There are plenty of models of conspiracy theory available in the world today, and I think we can easily assemble something that would both justify western conduct and provide a comforting myth of betrayal and victimisation. Putting together various things I have read and heard in the last few years, it might look something like the following. (And remember: this is not me speaking!)

>>2357022
<After the fall of Communism, the West sought good relations with the new Russia and, under Yeltsin, we thought that might actually come about. Even when Yeltsin was replaced by Putin, a former KGB agent, we were still prepared to trust Russia. But of course the KGB’s main job was to weaken European cohesion and the transatlantic link, and it’s obvious now that this was always Putin’s plan. After all, Putin described the fall of the Soviet Union as a “catastrophe” and ever since has been trying to recreate it through the promotion of lapdog states like Belarus. The plans for a “Greater Russia” were described several times by Aleksandr Dugin, Putin’s mentor, and by several highly-placed Russian defectors. And the whole scheme was laid out in an influential anonymous article in the official journal of the Naval Engineering Institute in 2011, under the title Russia Should be a Great Power Again. So while western governments trusted Russia and transformed their militaries away from warfare in central Europe, the Russians quietly and steadily built theirs up. Like Hitler, Putin tested the West’s resolve. The invasion of Georgia in 2008 was not challenged, nor was the seizure of Crimea in 2014. It was only with the so-called “rebellion” in the East of Ukraine in 2014—Ukraine’s “Sudetenland”—that the gloves came off. On that occasion the West displayed some firmness, and managed to persuade Putin to agree to a ceasefire which prevented Russia seizing more of the country. We hoped that strengthening Ukraine’s forces and publicly supporting its government would be enough to deter Putin, but his plans went deeper than that. And Putin’s plans to divert US attention from the crisis and destroy transatlantic solidarity involved not only interfering in US elections, but also encouraging Hamas to attack Israel and heating up the Iran crisis. It’s now clear that the whole war was a maskirovka operation. By looking weak at the start and seeming to be losing, the Russians trapped the West into supporting Ukraine militarily, bankrupting its economies and emptying its military arsenals, all in the defence of international law and justice. And now all Putin has to do is to walk in and take over.

>It may not some out quite like that, of course, and there will be national specificities (“Le Pen’s campaign was financed by Russian banks!”) but you get the idea. Something like that is the only way I can imagine that the West will be able to construct an even vaguely coherent theory of its own defeat that it finds just about acceptable. And it contains enough of The Truth as seen from Brussels and Washington that western elites would probably sign up to it. (Needless to say, the Russians will find it utterly incomprehensible, and probably suspect trickery.) Of course, presenting yourselves as naive and gullible for trusting a foreign leader doesn’t make you look very good. But the alternative, if there is one, is certainly worse.


>The only way such a disaster could be avoided is through the rise of a pragmatic tendency among western decision-takers and influencers which recognises the depth of the hole we are in and stops digging. Unfortunately, there is not the least sign of that happening. The hole grows deeper by the day, because the only alternatives anyone can see to keeping digging are all worse.


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>.

Ukraine’s economy on brink of collapse – Washington Post
https://swentr.site/russia/620580-ukraine-economy-brink-collapse/


>>2357456
*According to state media of the country that has invaded Ukraine and calls for imminent collapse every two weeks for three years now

>>2357468
>Ukraine’s economy is teetering on the edge of a complete collapse as it faces the possibility of a drastic decrease in Western aid and fading chances of a ceasefire anytime soon, the Washington Post reported on Wednesday, citing Ukrainian officials and US analysts.
nice try

>>2355947
>Putin's not giving up, this is making things very hard for us
>If he was smart and informed, he'd give up
Seems legit

>>2357593
Is your source still the state media of the country that has invaded Ukraine?

We know, collapse in two weeks

>>2357667
>…… erm I knew that! Answer the question please!
Lmao

>>2357667
did the US invade Ukraine?

>>2349990
the dedollarization was limited and was already happening

>WW2
<Nazi Germany: We can take America, USSR, and England at the same time. It will be easy!
>WW3
<America: We can take Iran, Russia, and China at the same time. It will be easy!

>>2357685
>>2357682
Come on guys, grow up a bit. Its not difficult to not post Russian state media for things related to Ukraine. If they mention Washington post, post Washington post.

The same logic applies when west talks about Russia…

Collapse status?

>>2357716
>give wapo ad views and engagement when you cqn just link RT with the cliffnote version of the same
why?

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>StAte MeDiA

>>2357416
>the Russian people are against the Putin regime!!!

>>2357726
Because every single state lies and especially when it comes to war. If RT says something about Ukraine it means absolutely nothing. If western media admit something then you get at least some clues. The thing about clicks and ads is just cope.

>>2357733
Collapse status? According to your favorite Network Ukraine imminently collapsed a few years ago already.

>>2357743
They did. They're only propped up in essentially a comatose state by foreign powers

>>2357741
russia lies far less than youcraney and amerikkka, rt is actually more reliable than western rags

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>>2357745
>Ukraine already collapsed
the absolute state of ziggers

>>2357716
The difference is that the holy RT is reporting from western and Ukrainian sources, when it comes to cringe western reporting about Russia and the conflict, the source is one or more of the following
>Ukrainian MoD
>Ukrainian president's office
>National MoD or defence secretary of some EU nation, but probably the British MoD
>Anonymous sources from three letter agency
>Radio Free Europe
>Western Think Tank
>Retired General from some nation that hasn't fought a real war since WW2, but probably German or Dutch for some reason
>Opinion column from a ex-government, cold war-era analyst who is extrapolating falsehoods about Stalin to project about Putin
And you may notice that while western media presents itself as not being state run, all of its sources essentially are.

Also the irony of saying
>Lmao Ukraine hasn't collapsed, they're still fighting!
Is when the eventual number of deaths the Ukrainians have suffered, will the narrative be
<The Zelensky government refused to face facts and showed an inhumane disregard for his soldiers who were barely more than kidnapped civilians by sending them to their certain death in desperate misadventures like Kursk, when he should have been negotiating a surrender to preserve lives
or will it be
<Putin killed a million billion Ukrainians because he was GENOCIDAL and took active pleasure in seeing Ukrainian corpses stacking up on the front, what a cruel and heartless individual

>>2357764
Are revealed*

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https://english.nv.ua/nation/pro-palestinian-activists-vandalize-belgian-firm-supplying-arms-to-ukraine-50525278.html
why would they vandalize private property?
>“And most of the protesters were clearly women. I’d estimate about 80 percent. We can see it clearly in the video — from how they behave and how they handle the hammers,” Versluys added.
>“These are vandals who took the opportunity to commit outright vandalism — abusing the Palestinian cause to do it,” he said.

>>2357775
>“And most of the protesters were clearly women. I’d estimate about 80 percent. We can see it clearly in the video — from how they behave and how they handle the hammers,” Versluys added.
lol.

Ok, I'm gonna level with you once. You know the shit about China's collapse the westoids come up with, demographic bomb yada yada
It's like that, yeah. Only with the somewhat important distinction that it is actually real.
A rather petty difference for the common liberal, most of them have exited reality some time ago, if they were ever stably tethered to it.
But for the rest of us it's pretty interesting. Things are getting good again. And Ukraine is not gonna play a role for much longer in this play. I can't say how long the US, Israel and their other hangers on are gonna have a major role but Ukraine? Nah, it's already over. It's been over. Don't believe me, wait a bit. There's the swan song and then exit stage.
Anyway, who gives a shit.
Kill! Kill! Kill!

>>2357776
>are there any women here today?
>who threw that stone?

The by the rules Geneva Convention war is the silliest shit ever invented. Turned war into a sport. Jesus Christ.

>>2357795
I'm not an expert on this war or war in general, but like why can't Russia cutoff all supply lines to the Ukrainian side on the front it's currently fighting? Are all the roads and rail leading to that area destroyed? Is there a permanent power outage in all those areas?

>>2357795
>>2357796
This ain't WW2 either. We already know they have the uninterceptible missiles with the pinpoint precision. So every target you want destroyed, you should be able to destroy it.

>>2357735
Sadly a majority of their people support this fascist dictatorship.

>>2357775
>useful idiots

>>2357797
Is the issue really that it's too hard to get a proper payload on target? Like everyone laughs about here, all the pitiful Ukrainian strikes on that bridge they can't destroy. So, it's either pissant conventional payloads, or you start going to nuclear which has is the Pandora's Box. If you used minuscule nukes, in unpopulated areas, like on a road or rail, could it be done with out opening the box? Or it's just like, once you've gone nuclear, you've gone nuclear.

>>2357797
>>2357803
AFAIK part of the reason is that the same railways that bring weapons in from Poland are the same railways that exports Ukrainian agricultural produce, so presumably Russia doesn’t want to alienate allies and neutral parties by damaging their food supply.

I think damaging railways, bridges and roads closer to the front is also not completely ideal because Russia hasn’t actually liberated all the territories that it claims had referendums to join the Russian Federation and thus will likely need those transport links for liberating the regions.

Somewhere far enough from both the front and the border between Ukraine and the EU, probably just too much choice and you’d never be able to destroy all of the transport lines sufficiently enough and prevent their repair, thus making it a waste of munitions when by all accounts the Ukrainian military already suffers from shortages in everything other than Drones, which as we’ve seen, they transport about in civilian vehicles anyway.

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Ukraine is being bazed but of course ziggers would like Ukraine to collapse so that genocide can continue

>>2357819
I think you are confused. Collapse of the political entity known as Ukraine would not mean less crime is exported from there.

>>2357819
Chances of this being bollocks from Mossad to promote all financial aid being redirected to Israel over Ukraine? If it’s real, then wow, Ukraine really doesn’t have allies does it lmao

>>2357799
Are you this idioticized/brainwashed, or are you just a clown ?

They have to go back

>>2357837
that uygha is toast

Come, let us watch sports

Le this is a leinterleimperialist le conflict(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

>>2357890
>Video unavailable
>This content is not available on this country domain due to a legal complaint from the government
It’s just tanks jumping over shit, imagine needing to shut that down lmao

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things that make you go hmmmmm

>In a story published Thursday, the Mail confirmed that Constantine was the son of a German-Polish Ukrainian man – also named Constantine – who worked for the Nazis and was implicated in the mass killing of Jews and other atrocities during World War II.


>According to the records, Dobrowolski Sr. was born into a family of noble landowners in what is now Ukraine’s Chernigov Region. Following the Bolshevik Revolution, the estate was seized, leading the younger Constantine to become a fierce enemy of the new authorities.


>He was imprisoned in 1926 for anti-Soviet and anti-Semitic agitation. He joined the German occupiers at the first opportunity in 1941, and earned the nickname ‘Butcher’ for his brutality. He is believed to have been killed in 1943.

>>2352784
Dafuq is that music, sounds like a dying elephant lmao

>>2357989
what a coincidence surely!

>>2357989
>arrested in 1926 for anti-Soviet agitation
>still alive in 1941
But please tell me more about the supposed “gulags” and “terror”

>>2357989
They have the same five head

>>2358056
That's easy Stalin was a counter revolutionary shooting and murdering all the real socialists like Bukharin and Trotsky while letting fascist scumbags like that guy stay alive in prison with free food.

>>2357989
Tbh this seems like deliberate disinfo. I think this entire backstory was made up and the profile picture was AI generated. By creating a fictitious identity for their chief glowie they can trick enemies into wasting time looking for this nonexistent person. This is bait targeted at Russian agents to catch them with electronic surveillance as soon as they try to look up information on the "Constantine" family online. I don't rule out that they'd even hire fake impersonators pretending to be such a person.

>>2358074
I feel like they could do that strategy without implying their chief bureaucrat is a Nazi

>>2358083
Implying their chief glowie is a Nazi is the psychological bait needed to make Russian glowies seething mad and more liable to make mistakes.

>>2358085
perfidious albion strikes again

>>2357989
>joen le carre was a nazi
What??

>>2358085
Really bizarre assertion that whether the head of MI6 is an ancestor of Nazis determines how much of an issue MI6 is for Russia’s security agencies.
>James Bond escaped with the Dossier!
<Meh, it’s not like his grandfather was a Nazi or anything
Get real lmao

How could you feel you get anything from being close to Russia if Putin didn't help Iran at all during the recent conflict while Iran constantly helped him?

>>2358115
According to Cucktin a lot of Russians live in Israel so that's why Russia can't help Iran

>>2358121
Truly the greatest anti imperialist of our time

>>2358115
>>2358121
>>2358161
Wait but Israel-Iran is inter imperialist as you said so Putin is actually Bordiga

>>2358165
Iran is a bourgeois cuck state that is neither imperialist nor anti imperialist but a secret third thing (capitalist)

>>2358115
iran has previously turned down offers of asistance from russia and china before this conflict intensified, why would they risk their geopolitical positions for a liberal comprador regime who won't fight for their own sovereignty, let alone the interests of another country?

>>2358169
So is the US not imperialist?

>>2358176
Amerikkka is fully imperialist and Cuckran loves watching its people get bombed to death saying "yes, master, more dead prols and gazans pls!!!♥️"

>>2358182
So Iran is not imperialist and is fighting imperialists?

>>2358186
They're fighting with Amerikkka against these evil prols :3

>>2357416
Lmfao you can't make this shit up
Beyond parody

>>2357989
<She's not actually a Nazi, she didn't even really have contact with her Ukrainian nazi collaborator father after the UK offered to shelter the Nazi's family.
>So what does she do no?
<Well she leads the government agency responsible for re-nazifying Ukraine
<And empowering the revanchist fascists who idolize the Nazi collaborators like her father to wage a proxy war against Russia for us.
<But it's totally different. The Nazis are ironic and trolling this time.
>So where does one find "real" Nazism
<In the Palestinian children, obviously.

>>2358188
total prole death, as long as it includes nerds like you, i supoooooort it.

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>Let's create a new World Trade Organization - Von der Leyen

<The WTO has been effectively paralysed since December 2019, when the US began blocking appointments to the Appellate Body, rendering the two-tier dispute settlement system non-functional.

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/06/27/von-der-leyen-touts-eu-led-alternative-to-mired-wto

>>2357890
>This content is not available on this country domain due to a legal complaint from the government.
petty cunts

Whatever happened to the glorious incoming Russian offensive that was about to start with summer and would collapse Ukraine?

>>2358311
Holy shit you absolute DESTROYED that straw man. How will it even recover?

>>2358229
Let me guess: it's the same old wto except BRICS isn't invited.

>>2358311
https://energynewsbeat.co/russia-seizes-ukrainian-village/

>Russian forces have seized the village of Shevchenko in eastern Ukraine, a strategically significant location near the Kruta Balka lithium deposit, one of Europe’s largest untapped hard-rock lithium prospects. This development, reported by OilPrice.com on June 26, 2025, raises serious concerns about the security of Ukraine’s critical minerals supply chain and the future of its agreements with Western partners, particularly the United States and the United Kingdom. As Ukraine pushes to develop its vast mineral resources to support global decarbonization efforts, Russia’s advance threatens to disrupt these plans, with profound implications for investors in the critical minerals sector.


>George was able to pinpoint the motivations for President Putin to defend Russia from NATO encroachment beyond the agreed-upon boundaries in treaties, and that the real beneficiaries of the war in Ukraine were the Bank of London and the Bank of Paris. They are seeking to acquire assets globally to maintain their solvent balance sheets. With the pressure of sanctions, President Putin successfully relocated his trading blocs to other countries and managed to achieve multiple years of economic growth in Russia. So “All Putin has to do is nothing” really means that he has won the war, and just needs to wait out the bank failures in the UK and EU. There is very little publicly available data on the UK and Ukraine mineral deals, so we published only what was available. But watch what happens in the next few months.


>Russia’s seizure of Shevchenko near the Kruta Balka lithium deposit is a stark reminder of the geopolitical stakes in Ukraine’s critical minerals sector. While Ukraine’s agreements with the US and UK aim to position it as a key supplier of lithium, titanium, and REEs, Russia’s territorial gains threaten to undermine these ambitions. For investors, the risks are high, with war, infrastructure challenges, and geopolitical maneuvering creating uncertainty. However, the potential rewards of accessing Ukraine’s vast mineral wealth remain significant, particularly if peace and stability can be restored. As the global race for critical minerals intensifies, the outcome of this conflict will shape the future of energy transition supply chains.

>>2358331
SU-34 status?

>>2358386
I don't buy it yet. I mean it's not that much of an important deposit (Trump blew it out of proportion) and still they are just close, they haven't get it yet.

But at least its more important than the 12 trillion in coal ziggers used to spam about.

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>>2358395
>I mean it's not that much of an important deposit

the lithium deposit is very limited and was already happening

russukro threads have barely any life anymore
Cucktin are you not ashamed to waste the hopes and dreams of leftypollers??

>>2358311
y do u use tank icon to shit on ukraine
all tankanons have to be Z-gang
mods ban him for disinformation

>>2358200
>can't make this up
he just did


>>2358340
what's the point of a wto without china ?
how much French wine and German sausage can a country trade after all?

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ZGODZ BLESS US
UNCUCK THE CUCKTIN
ANNIHILATE THE Z-NSKY

>>2358645
I don't know. I just know that the US fucked the wto's appellate mechanism specifically because China has several cases before it contra the US and if allowed to rule, the US will lose. So this seems like a means of sidestepping that particular problem. It probably has to also make significant changes to avoid penalties for all the tariff and protectionist shit it's been doing lately too.

>>2358639
it's the grand strategy to use westerner's short attention spans against them. keep slow grinding until the west just can't focus anymore and gives up and moves on to the next shiny object. we're almost there.
>system imposed on everyone for decades might go against US now, so change it to something else
le rules based order we're always hearing about

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STAGNANT LINES
NO HAPPENINGS
COME ON PUTIN YOU CAN DO THIS
HURRY UP PUTIN

>>2358765
>>2358639
Vova, pls stop grinding Army XP.

>>2357819
Israeli babushkas suffering from speaking Russian - because Ukraiians also speak Russian

>>2358639
theory debate is basically done and in hibernation
>not inter-imperialist rivalry like in WW1/WW2, not two international systems failing to come together like after WW2, something else. a restoration of the pre-world war period, but doomed to fail because there's nothing progressive about western colonialism in the modern day
as applied to the war, the predictions came true
>neoliberal economies can't fight conventional wars. the gap between the reactionary (extractive-monopolistic) nature of international capitalism and progressive national development in the semi-periphery is manifesting in failed sanctions, arms race, and proxy war. there is no reassertion of inevitable european lurch to the east as part of the inevitability of liberalism under global capitalism. ukraine was sold a lie and is now experiencing it first hand as it gets left out to dry

this all started with donbass rejecting neoliberalism. back then it was assumed this was quixotic, that the losers among the losers of history (stranded russians) were waving old flags and talking about a neolib-nazi alliance like schizos, meanwhile normal people were just embracing democracy.

turns out donbass foreshadowed the future

>>2358597
He's right though. Ukraine needs massive investments to even BEGIN to start getting at those deposits. People arguing that Ukraine is being fought over for minerals are fucking retarded. Whichever side wins will have to invest hundreds of billions of dollars in infrastructure and sunk costs before even starting to obtain those minerals which would take decades to get past the break even cost.

Agriculture on the other hand is key for the West. If the West wins Wall St. gets control over a major grain supplier and can play with food prices to wreak havoc on other economies. Putin wouldn't care as much since he expects Belarus can export to Russia anything Russia can't produce itself so the idea that the Russians intervened for security reasons still holds.

Even nfkrz is getting sick of hohols

I didn't like these comments I saved these pics I saw

>>2359011
>hoholds gradually truning nfkrz into a zigger
lol all according to plan

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>>2359011
>NPC
>Triggered
>Slop
>Rightoid
>Based
>Sigma
>Westoid
>Retard

So happy to see roman becoming a true westerner adopting all our stupid slang words 🥹

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>>2359073
>putin is saving the world both from westoid invasion AND alien invasion
i kneel

>>2359073
Anti-Posadist revisionism

So this week, Putin said he plans to cut defense spending while looking like this.

Elvira Nabiullina (great name), Russia's technocrat central banker governor who's been helping keep the plates spinning since 2022, came out and said that many of the resources used to grow the economy have become "exhausted." Not to come across as one of these people who say that "sanctions are going to collapse the war effort any day now it's the END of Russia," but things like oil prices, continued financial support of ukraine by the E.U., and how global finance behaves over the next couple of years all lead to a lot of uncertainty when the pain starts to become a factor in Putin's calculus, but the war being fought today is not one that can be fought by Russia indefinitely.

Elvira's candidness though is also the whole point of a kind of system that commands that you keep some liberal institutions in order to benefit from their purpose. A genuinely transparent central bank doesn't threaten state control because its purpose is to keep the state intact and it's too wonky to actually be a point of agitation.

>>2358211
>Total prole death
Average zigger moment

>>2359078

lies, Russia stronk, Ukraine collapse imminent because RT told me so. Two more decades and surely some village in whothefuckprovsk will be ours! Z

>>2359078
>continued financial support of ukraine by the E.U.
This is an assumption I keep seeing from people, ironically enough, residing in the EU as though it’s obviously the case that Europe can continue to pour billions into Ukraine every year until Russia inevitably runs out of money. But it seems to me rather apparent that the European economy is not healthy and is on the ropes after 40 years of having taxes just funnelled into the pockets of the oligarchy.


Nevertheless, I suspect that this cutting of defense spending primarily means no more new factories for increasing production capacity, I can’t imagine
>Starting Oreshnik production
>Expanding Kinzhal production
>Starting and then expanding drone production
>Reopening T-80 production and/or modernisation
Etc, was cheap to do in such a short amount of time, if the economy can’t support continued investment in expanding production capacity then it makes sense just to utilise what capacity has been built.

>>2359083
>European economy is not healthy and is on the ropes after 40 years of having taxes just funnelled into the pockets of the oligarchy.

Is this somehow different with Russia?

>>2359090
Evidently not to the same degree if the sudden requirement for more production capacity in both Russia and Europe has drastically different reactions, in Russia more production capacity was produced, in the EU a load of declarations and tenders expressing a desire for productive capacity to become competitive with Russia by the 2050s was produced.

>>2359092
I don't know man, I am not afraid here in Belgium that Russians are coming any minute now. And I can always send more Ukrainians and Poles to their death defending me. I don't feel like I need to increase production capacity.

>>2359096
>don't care if it was all projection, I have a slave army
Groovy, it's not like Belgium produced anything other than a questionable paring of mayonnaise with chips.

>>2359102
Is your oligarchy over there good enough to provide you with slaves and majo or do you have to be sent to the trenches?

>>2359078
Elvira is literally a pro West liberal who originally tried to resign at the start of the war before realizing that she could sabotage from the inside lmfao. Cucktin is stupid.

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>>2359078
Cucktin could solve these problems by nationalizing every part of Ruzzian industry, including banks and the likes, but the problem has always been that he is a conservative capitalist loving cuck.

>>2359078
>two more weeks until total Russian collapse


>>2359123
keep telling yourself that zigger maybe in another 30 years of fighting that might even become true

>>2359123
Cucktin loves Pissrael by the way

>>2359132
but i thoight putin was le heckin BRICS third world pilled against imperialism!

>>2359157
hurr durr HANDSHAKE!

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>>2359162
They love eachother like brothers

>>2359162
are you implying that cucktin is actually opposing pissrael? 😂

lotta nazi simps in here today. the ukraine must be doing great

>im opposing Russia in favour of NATO in Ukraine but I’m doing it for the kids in Gaza
>I can’t stop my NATOid government from arming Israel so instead I roar
END NETANYAHU HANDSHAKES NOW!

>>2359163
this has been debunked btw

>>2359123
What did Russia win?

>>2359132
>Cucktin loves Pissrael by the way
Lol we are deep in the making shit up phase

I love the salt Russia's history and position in the world causes. Its return as a power provokes such asshurt especially any left wing or global south support for it

>>2359246
It’s people coming to the amazing revelation that, oh wow, when it was said by their own bourgeoisie that Russia is a corrupt, undemocratic, oligarch driven mafia state, they actually meant
>wah we wanted their shit but they didn’t give it to us ;__;
Because interestingly while Yeltsin was acting in all the ways that are projected on to the current Russian government, but was selling off Soviet assets wholesale at low low prices, he was a champion of democracy in the region, exactly how Zelensky is also a champion of democracy as he bans political parties, kidnaps civilians off the streets to fight NATO’s battles and sells off Ukrainian assets wholesale at low low prices.

Perhaps, maybe, western “values” don’t make for a kinder and more hospitable dictatorship of the bourgeoisie that the rest of the world ought to welcome as something at the very least superior to nationalism.

So it’s not even Russia supplying the salt, just the cold hard reality that their entire gosh darn world view supplied by very smart lib authors and commentators is a lie, not inaccurate or built on half-truths, but entirely fabricated.

bakhmut status?

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"A bit small": Putin called the salary of 70 thousand rubles insufficient

Russian President Vladimir Putin said that modern earnings in student squads are not high enough. His comment was made during a video conference on the occasion of the opening of youth centers.

When asked by the head of state about income, a student squad commander from the Arkhangelsk region reported earning 60-70 thousand rubles a month.


"That's a bit small. In our time we received 1-1.5 thousand rubles, but it was good money then - a Zhiguli cost 5 thousand," Putin said, recalling the Soviet experience of working in construction teams.

https://www.gazeta.ru/social/news/2025/06/28/26149028.shtml

>>2359246
Are you saying the hate Pissrael?

>>2359222
As debunked as Iran cucking out and you losing your shit about it?

>>2359328
>Cucktin admitting his dogshit liberalism sucks compared to communism
well at least he was honest for once

>>2359078
Why are you such a disingenuous faggot

>>2359391
People like you have a brain that functions essentially as a light switch. It's no point explaining.

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>>2359227
The war against nato

>>2359637
Why can't the united might of NATO and Ukraine move frontline in the opposite direction?

>>2359637
Well hold on there jack, how are we going to enjoy the Saint Javelin sponsored Crimean Beach Party if the front is moving in the wrong direction? I guess Ukraine must just not be trying very hard which is disappointing as a spectator to all this I must tell you.

>>2359646
In a nutshell, because nato doctrine is predicated on a bunch of assumptions like having air superiority and a massive, inexhaustible industrial base, and without these being true it completely falls apart. And now for a bunch of self reinforcing reasons, even though this fact is abundantly clear and nato is trying to course correct, it's unlikely it has the wherewithal to do so.

>>2359646
they are too busy fighting the might of the hamas army, their resources are split

>>2359637
Wow maybe in 50 more years Cucktin's successor will have reached Kiev.

>>2359646
No NATO nation has deployed their military to Ukraine. They're waiting for Ukraine to get exahusted and then they'll probably send in the Poles to hold the line and laugh as Russia continues to bleed itself out for nothing.

>>2359702
Poles are chickenhawks dumbass. You clearly know 0 poles irl if you think they would suffer even 1 actual casualty, they'd actually leave NATO and the EU before they did that


>>2359708
then who will they send? the baltoids? they wouldn't last a month of fighting lol western europeans? don't make me laugh

>>2359708
All countries are chickenhawks. Doesn't stop them from getting involved in wars.

>>2359702
>after losing all Ukrainian proxies, they'll send in Poles - just to lose them too

What a brilliant strategy

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>>2359119
>Cucktin could solve these problems by nationalizing every part of Ruzzian industry, including banks and the likes, but the problem has always been that he is a conservative capitalist loving cuck.
Or this could be one of the areas that Putin understands and King Orange Man doesn't. Trump keeps trying to openly fight with his central bank running the same playbook he used to demonize the media. Putin is smart enough to know that having a semi-independent and highly intelligent central bank chief is better for economic stability and therefore safer for his continued position.

>>2359111
>Elvira is literally a pro West liberal who originally tried to resign at the start of the war before realizing that she could sabotage from the inside lmfao. Cucktin is stupid.
And they told her "no." But unfortunately for Solovyev, she is actually good at her job, so his panels can complain that she's part of a fifth column preventing Russia from winning the war, but that's theatre for the audience that needs to be convinced that Putin is still fighting against the remnants of the Yeltsyn-era deep state.

>>2359723
it's cool how you spelled it yeltsyn
you're such an unbearable faggot, stop posting you literal fascist

>>2359709
it really seems like ukrainians can't do anything besides launch drone attacks at this point

>>2359723
Elvira has:
>Maintained a high interest rate during a war instead of shifting to rationing in order to accelerate the bankruptcy of key Russian enterprises and to increase economic instability
>Called for the lifting of all capital controls during a war to try to crash Russian financial markets
>Pushed for tying up Russia reserves in Western markets and financial instruments rather than dumping it all onto non-sanctionable gold
>Pushed for a raise in the retirement age to deplete the morale of potential volunteers even before the war
She is a traitor end of story and her staying on at the central bank is proof of complete incompetence from Cucktin. Any one of these incidents should have been enough to get her shot for treason but the fact that she openly and continually sabotages Russia and Cucktin continues to allow her to get away with it because he doesn't know anything about economics and blindly believes her bullshit excuses is an embarassing and never ending humiliation ritual.

>>2359723
>Putin is smart enough to know that having a semi-independent and highly intelligent central bank chief is better for economic stability and therefore safer for his continued position.
THIS IS LITERALLY THE NEOLIBERAL ASSAULT AGAINST KEYNESIANISM YOU DUMBFUCK.
Russian nationalists have become so stupid they will defend IMF approved talking points and Milton Friedman because they can't admit that Dear Leader Putin is an idiot!

Independent central banking has brought nothing but disaster, poverty, and stagnation to Western economies and these fucking vlasovites start sucking off Elvira and Cucktin since they don't know ANYTHING.

>>2359119
>Cucktin could solve these problems by nationalizing every part of Ruzzian industry, including banks and the likes, but the problem has always been that he is a conservative capitalist loving cuck.
He really couldn't. A proper communist party could, but Putin doesn't have one of those and he doesn't want to. There is a limit to what bourgeois states can do. Nationalized enterprises in bourgeois states still run by the same logic as ones under direct bourgeois control. A lot of the Russian economy is state-owned anyway.
This is fundamentally the reason why China is socialist: it can do so much of what bourgeois states like Russia can't.

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>>2359723
Replace her with this.

>Independent central banking has brought nothing but disaster, poverty, and stagnation

Thank Marx (PBUH) Gosbank was state controlled and the USSR avoided disaster, poverty and stagnation.

>>2359744
she just cut interest rates

>>2359777
>YOU HAVE BEEN VISITED BY THE QT OF STATE LEAD ECONOMIC REFORM
<ALTERNATE DEVELOPMENT MODELS, HIGH WAGE JOBS, AND DIGITAL PLATFORM BASED EMPLOYMENT WILL COME TO YOU
>BUT ONLY IF YOU REPLY USSR 2.0 NOW!!!

The EU's economic war against the EU continues to see success

https://x.com/SonjaEnde/status/1938631795689587050

>Sanctions from the (EU), the 18th package will be approved within two weeks. According to Putin they don't work, because the EU is now importing more LNG gas. "The harsher the sanctions, the worse it is for the ones who are introducing those sanctions," President Putin emphasised

>>2359847
sounds like cope. bozo should be building pipelines to china instead of bitching

Found this very interesting, with direct implications for BRICS and imperialist exploitation:

>Interestingly, the relationship between s/v and per-capita income had an inverted-U shape in Amsden's study because her sample covered a wider range of countries, including countries that would still be classified as low-income countries. By contrast, the poorest country in our sample (India) would be classified as lower-middle income over 2000–2014. Amsden argues that countries in the middle of the per-capita income distribution are in a stage of uneven development: while capitalist production utilizes advanced technology, wage bargaining is much weaker, and labor is still in surplus compared to rich countries. Workers in middle-income countries are neither attached to traditional sector employment (agriculture) nor sufficiently consolidated as a bargaining group in modern capitalist sectors. Thus, the rate of exploitation in productive activities is higher in the capitalist sector of middle-income countries.


https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0954349X23001753

This points to what I've seen elsewhere in unequal exchange tables used by Michael Roberts which show unequal exchange is being driven a whole lot by the semi-periphery.

Elsewhere I'm noticing in his work that the decline of the unipolar moment is starkly correlated with a decline in the G7 rate of profit. It lowered by 20% from 2002 to 2014, which is also around when the democracy index stagnates and regresses in the world. You can just connect the dots and filter it through the way the West experiences Russia and China in the crisis of liberalism to understand why we pushed to confront Russia in Ukraine after covid.

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>>2359777
trips of truth
>>2359798
USSR 2.0 NOW!!!

>>2359726
The difference between you and me is that I don't believe this is a government worth dying for.

>>2359897
https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Iran-Israel-War-Prompts-China-to-Reconsider-Russias-Gas-Pipeline-Proposal.html

>The war between Israel and Iran has spark worry about energy supply security in Beijing, and a greater interest in the Power of Siberia 2 pipeline—a project proposed by the Russian side, on which the Chinese side has been in no hurry to make a decision.


>The Wall Street Journal reported the news, citing unnamed sources close to the government in Beijing. The latter has been in two minds about the Power of Siberia 2, first, because it has been hard to agree with the Russian side on things like ownership and pricing and second, because China does not want to become over-reliant on a single source of oil and gas.


>Now, these concerns appear to have taken the back seat in the face of a fresh dose of Middle Eastern instability and energy supply uncertainty—especially in gas. Almost a third of China’s gas imports come as LNG from Qatar and the United Arab Emirates, the WSJ noted in its report, citing Rystad Energy figures. Russia, in turn, is China’s third-largest supplier of LNG, after Australia and Qatar. But it is China’s biggest pipeline supplier, via the Power of Siberia 1, with flows this year set to reach 38 billion cu m, according to S&P Global.


>This is the maximum capacity of the Power of Siberia 1, but the POS 2 will have a capacity of 50 billion cu m. This is a lot of gas with no geopolitical risk that could lead to spikes in prices. As for diversification, China also imports quite a lot of natural gas via pipeline from Turkmenistan.


>Russia also appears set to benefit from the risk to oil supply from the Middle East and more specifically Iran, the WSJ report suggested. China, which is essentially the only buyer of Iranian crude, is now reconsidering this reliance as well, following the latest developments in the Middle East. One way of reducing said reliance is by boosting oil purchases from Russia, according to analysts. Russia currently accounts for some 20% of China’s oil consumption.

>>2359975
there are a lot of differences, for example I am not fat, gay, retarded or a nazi

>>2359976
>Almost a third of China’s gas imports come as LNG
I always thought lng boats were a meme

>>2359976
>citing unnamed sources close to the government in Beijing

>>2359981
They're not the most cost effective way to move lng but they are used. It looks like a lot of the B&R is oriented towards providing alternate fuel sources from central Asia, which has nato worried because it can't be interdicted by the USN.

>>2359391
Don't worry about it we will wake you up when there is another happooning

>>2359986
And? Feel free to make a point any time.

>>2359996
They are lying?

>>2360000
If they would just say they are speculating based on the actions of the Chinese government, it would be easier to take them seriously. I don't know why they go through this obviously fake unnamed source bullshit

>>2359723
>Putin is smart enough to know that having a semi-independent and highly intelligent central bank chief is better for economic stability and therefore safer for his continued position.
She is a neoliberal who warned against a return to the planned economy aka the opposite of smart you dumb faggot

>>2360000
Yeah, they might be, about some new urgency to sign the deal, but Power of Siberia 2 is a real project Russia and China have both been wrangling over.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/russia-china-sign-power-siberia-2-gas-pipeline-contract-in-near-future-says-2024-05-17/

>MOSCOW, May 17 (Reuters) - Russia and China expect to a sign a contract "in the near future" on the Power of Siberia-2 gas pipeline, which will carry Russian gas to China, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Alexander Novak was cited as saying by Interfax late on Thursday.


>Russia has been in talks for years about building the Power of Siberia-2 pipeline to carry 50 billion cubic metres of natural gas a year from the Yamal region in northern Russia to China via Mongolia.


The point being that Russia is indeed in the process of building more pipelines to China.

https://meduza.io/en/feature/2025/06/26/the-geopolitical-situation-has-changed

Based alert! Russia no longer offering classes in Ukrainian.

>>2360106
Yawn. Ukrainian language is getting genocided by the lack of interest by the native Ukrainians in learning it

>The draft order states that during the 2023–2024 school year, Ukrainian was offered as a “native language” subject only in the occupied areas of Ukraine’s Zaporizhzhia and Kherson regions. However, as of September 1, 2023, studying Ukrainian in these regions was no longer mandatory; parents were given a choice between Russian and Ukrainian as the designated “native language” for their children’s instruction.


Meanwhile, fantasies of Ukrainian nationalists, who can't even force Lvov's population to stop speaking Russian at home and study it on their own:

>Russian educational standards were introduced in occupied areas shortly after Russia’s full-scale invasion, starting on September 1, 2022. Despite this, many students continued their Ukrainian studies online, often in secret.


"I'd rather be uneducated than go to Russian school!"

>One young woman who fled the occupied part of the Kherson region just weeks ago told the BBC that she studied remotely the entire time from 2022 until her departure. “They pressured us to enroll in a Russian school,” she recalled. “But we showed that I’d already finished ninth grade, so I didn’t have to go.”


Admission by the OSCE:

>“The so-called ‘State Security Ministry’ started pressuring schools and parent committees to sign statements refusing to teach Ukrainian. Some schools tried to resist. But by 2017, the entire education system there had shifted to Russian standards. OSCE observers were told that parents themselves were declining [to have their children study Ukrainian],” Lysianskyi said.


Well, yeah, Russian usage in Ukraine only increased after the USSR's dissolution. Small languages die out in favor of larger ones

>>2360307
>Well, yeah, Russian usage in Ukraine only increased after the USSR's dissolution. Small languages die out in favor of larger ones
This is really true. So many of the little peoples of the Soviet Union still like to pretend they were oppressed by Soviet authorities, and yet their culture basically died with the Soviet Union. In the Mari-El Republic, the babushkas can all still speak Mari, the middle aged women who were coming of age during the fall can still understand it, and the youth don't know more than a handful of words. The entire language died out in a couple of generations without the Soviet Union

>>2360310
And if small language dies not in favor of Russian, it dies in favor of English. All those language protection laws in former republics don't do shit except line the pockets of language mafia

Apparently something in/near Kremenchug got hit with three kinzhals and like six kalibrs. No idea what the fuck they were shooting at but they wanted to kill it

ukraine are fascists. russia are fascists. but ukraine aspire to not be fascists one day. that's why I support ukraine.

During the night attack, 60 missiles were fired at the territory of Ukraine, 38 of them were shot down, according to the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

By type of missiles:

• 4 X-47M2 “Dagger” aeroballistic missiles — were not intercepted;
• 7 Iskander-M/KN-23 ballistic missiles — 1 shot down;
• 41 X-101/Iskander-K cruise missiles — 33 shot down, 1 more suppressed by electronic warfare;
• 5 Kalibr cruise missiles — 4 shot down;
• 3 S-300 anti-aircraft guided missiles — were not intercepted.

477 drones were also launched, including more than 250 Shaheds. Of these, 211 were shot down, and another 225 were suppressed or lost for guidance.

Enemy air attack equipment was recorded in 6 locations, and downed aircraft (debris) fell in 8 locations.

<S300 IS INVINCIBLE

>>2360321
yes, once the entirety of the world is subordinated permanently to US global domination, with no chance of independence or sovereignty whatsoever, the ukrainians can finally "stop being fascists" and take their seat at the winners table and help tell all the slaves what to do into eternity.
until then, ukrainian brownshirts will be patrolling the streets listening for anyone speaking russian and sending saboteurs to Burkina Faso and Syria to help put down the uppity uyghurs that haven't bent the knee to master enough yet.

>>2360322
>3 S-300 anti-aircraft guided missiles — were not intercepted.
Bit cheeky to be adding their own missiles to the list

>>2359786
They did. USSR's economic collapse had more to do with broken supply chains due to nationalists taking power in multiple regions and then cutting off all ties with other regions, than it did in monetary policy.

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Another F16 destroyed in a fight with heranium drones

>>2360392
Please understand, 1970s tech verses 2020s tech

>>2360392
This one plane dropping means Ukraine collapses soon after the mindropingly massive! immense pressure Russia enforces.

>>2360488
>D-didn't need it anyway!

>>2360496
>After Bakhmut, Russia will steamroll to Kiov — there’s nothing but open fields in the way. A Ukrainian collapse is imminent. This one plane dropping (forget about half the nuclear bombers and another 4 SUs a few days ago) collapse is sure this time!

>>2360307
that kommersant article was underwhelming after reading meduza

>>2360557
Oh yeah? Well what about things that never happened? Checkmate!

>>2360557
It was actually 6 gorillion SUs you fucking ruzzian bot, stop lying.

>>2360557
Ukraine does get more indefensible as we move past the fortified areas of the 2014 contact lines, I don't think anyone disputes that

I think there is frustration with the collapse of Ukraine euphoria and growing overlap of Russian and Western media, with no answer to it except to ask "well, where is the collapse then? clearly their shitty prognosis is wrong"

The absence of any coherent Western decision making speaks volumes though. There's no long term vision to halt Russia let alone defeat it. If you're in DC or Brussels you're just dealing with a growing mess of problems that old partnerships aren't handling

>>2360488
It's not one plane, it's like a fourth or third F16 that Ukraine has lost - without Russia being able to even hit them because they are hidden so deep in the Ukraine's rear. I'm not saying it's going to collapse Ukraine, merely find it funny

>>2360579
Oh, but Euroids are doing something, alright - they are aiming to throw Poles at Russia when they run out of Ukrainians

>>2360579

Yes, I agree with all that, I am merely trolling those that post RT links or stuff they see on some telegram as if they have any meaning.

That being said, we will also have to see what is Russia's long term vision. It is just a bunch of oligarchs doing oligarch shit as well after all.

tbqh, I am shitposting too much because basically nothing exciting is happening for my fried brain and I should get a ban until a big arrow happens…

>>2360603
>post RT links or stuff they see on some telegram as if they have any meaning
Ah I know, news, fucking boring or what? Where’s the gore vids amirite?

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>>2360603
Cope cages for helicopters…

>>2359011
fuck nfkrz

https://archive.is/FA4WW

It's nice to read FT comments

>boomer CIA spook larry johnson talking to pepe escobar about imperialism
>merc/diesen talking to hudson/wolff about imperialism
>neutrality studies talking to joti brar from CPGB-ML
>dialogue works creating a regular panel out of hudson/wolff
>chas freeman regularly appearing with mohammed marandi and nodding his head over and over

the crossovers are funny


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No wonder Ukraine is getting pummeled right now. Israel stole all the patriots from Ukraine

>>2360658
Out of those my favorite Zigga is Andrei Martyanov.

>>2360660
At 17:28, it looks like the drone operator decided to spare them at the last moment?

>>2360668
dont know much about him, cant stand his voice

>Loose F-16 and its pilot after 2 years of training paid by Eurocucks
>Loose Shevchenko lithium deposit
>South Donetsk lost, Dnipro region is a collection of shitholes so can't resupply frontline
>Weekly 500 drones attacks
>Pokrovsk is a half-encircled reservation for ruzzian drone footages
>At least we destroyed 4 planes a month ago…right?

>>2360679
'loose' means 'not tight'

the ukraine loosened

>>2360689
>Loose F-16 and its pilot
<after 2 years of training

>>2360691
it's loosed retart.

ruzzia lost

>>2360751
experts have debunked this

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>>2360754
Solovyov is a Drama and Acting major and interpretive dance specialist, not a Historian, General, or Economist qualified to give such an assessment.

>>2360751
As always yet another L for Cucktin.

>>2360321
https://mronline.org/2022/08/31/from-nurseries-to-nazis/

>It was not only “Russian separatists” in Donbas who were horrified by the way children were (and still are) being educated in Ukraine.


>Five hundred kilometers from Kiev, in the city of Dnepropetrovsk (renamed “Dnipro” by Ukraine’s new government), the parents of elementary school students filed a complaint against a teacher who called Russian “the language of the enemies.”


>In 2021, the parents of second-graders at school № 137 complained that a new teacher, Viktoria Zhdanova, was telling their seven- and eight-year-old children that “Russians are enemies, they came here and colonized Ukraine” and that anyone “who does not speak Ukrainian is an ‘enemy of the state’ and supports enemies of Ukraine.”


>The parents had screen-shots and other evidence, but the school responded that they did not see any crime and would not replace the teacher. You can read a discussion concerning one mother’s complaint about the teacher at this Ukrainian website if you use an online translation service, but the upshot is that the school supported the “patriotic teacher,” the mother was smeared for supporting the Immortal Regiment (a global group of allied WW2 veterans and their descendants which is seen as “pro-Soviet” and therefore against Ukraine), and the children began demanding that their parents speak Ukrainian because otherwise they are “enemies.”


>In 2018, the director of the Ukrainian Jewish Committee, Eduard Dolinsky, wrote on Facebook that a lecture about military valor was held in Kiev gymnasium № 315. The students were provided with a “glorious” example of valor: The SS Division Galicia of the Nazis. “This is the latest trend for schools,” Dolinsky wrote, “when valor and courage are taught with examples of [Nazi] collaboration, service in the SS, schutzmanschaft, auxiliary police, and fighting with civilians.”

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Black areas are Russian advances in June 2025.

>>2360796
>Russians are enemies, they came here and colonized Ukraine
in reality ukraine wouldn't exist in the south and east if they didn't settle the land with russians. the duality of russian speaking city, ukrainian speaking countryside is endemic to ukraine. not part of its erasure, but original construction. it is a multinational state as a borderland

>>2360584
After arguing with a shitty polshit diasporoid I almost hope they do it and get their shitty society destroyed just like the ukucks.

>>2360321
>ukraine aspire to not be fascists one day
that's hilarious

>>2360645
>Europe is in the early years of a new era. The continent is now witnessing a great struggle between two Europes: liberal and anti-liberal, internationalist and nationalist, the Europe of integration and that of disintegration. Who wins will be decided by the strength and skill of domestic political forces, but also by external developments over which Europeans have little or no control.

<And you'll never guess which is which!

Russia is cracking down on Azeri nationals in Russia. Meanwhile Azeris are seething about Iran. What does it all mean

>>2361043
I got a funny feeling that none of this means anything
Sleep, wake, repeat, and you can fuck off

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/06/26/nato-surrender-ukraine-war-russia-vladimir-putin/

>This week’s Nato summit in the Hague was marred by a tragic irony. Donald Trump achieved a major diplomatic victory as his calls for increased European defence spending converted into reality. The final summit declaration text announced Nato’s commitment to spending 5 per cent of its budget on defence and articulated its ironclad support for the Article 5 collective defence clause.


>While the US president’s big win should have enhanced Europe’s sense of security against the Russian threat, the Nato summit left the alliance’s eastern flank with a feeling of grave unease. Trump’s inflammatory comments on the ambiguity of Article 5 left the Baltic States questioning whether Nato would confront Russia’s intensifying array of hybrid threats.


>The sense of betrayal in Ukraine was even more palpable. The Nato final summit declaration’s refusal to condemn Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine and Volodymyr Zelensky’s marginal presence encapsulated the alliance’s growing Ukraine fatigue. While Mark Rutte, the Nato secretary-general, repeated the age-old trope about Ukraine’s irreversible path towards alliance membership, his words felt hollower than ever before.


>The Nato summit’s dismissal of Ukraine’s concerns is emblematic of an alarming broader trend. After more than three years of attritional war with Russia, Ukraine finds itself lacking the manpower and weaponry to triumph. During their inflammatory Oval Office meeting with Zelensky, Trump warned that Ukraine was “running low on soldiers” and JD Vance, his vice-president, railed against forced conscription on the Ukrainian streets.


>The Ukrainian president responded to these taunts by reversing his long-standing opposition to mobilising Ukrainians aged 18-24. The up-tick in voluntary new recruits has not solved the problem. Russia’s incremental military triumphs around Pokrovsk were enabled by a shortage of Ukrainian defenders and morale in the Ukrainian army’s ranks is dipping due to frictions between the rank-and-file and senior command over tactics. Combat injuries are afflicting Ukraine’s most experienced servicemen and leaving their rookie replacements vulnerable to Russian human wave attacks.


>As Trump continues to signal his aversion to open-ended military assistance to Ukraine, war materiel supplies are poised to dry up further. As Russia’s drone and missile barrages against Kyiv intensify, Ukraine is prioritising Patriot air defence systems in its US procurements and is side-lining its past pleas for more sophisticated offensive weapons. The prospects of the US transferring Tomahawk cruise missiles or aircraft that could fully neutralise Russia’s Su-35 advanced stealth fighter jets are remote.


>For now, Ukraine can rely on the largesse of its European allies to compensate for some of these shortfalls. Germany has received permissions from the US to transfer 125 long-range artillery rockets and 100 Patriot air defence missiles to Ukraine. Vladimir Putin’s threats against Germany over the Taurus long-range missiles suggests that Friedrich Merz, its chancellor, might finally be breaking with his predecessor Olaf Scholz’s die-hard restraint. The Netherlands recently transferred the last of its 24 pledged F-16 jets to Ukraine and Norway is mulling a doubling of F-16 deliveries to Ukraine’s air force.


>European countries are also playing a critical role in strengthening Ukraine’s domestic arms industry. At the Nato summit, Britain announced plans to fund joint drone production initiatives with Ukraine and Germany built on its recent pledge to invest €5 billion in Ukraine’s long-range missile production capacity.


>These promises are music to Zelensky’s ears but are not a panacea for Ukraine’s equipment woes. Ukraine’s domestic arms industry cannot develop fast enough to neutralise North Korea’s military assistance to Russia and Europe’s depleted militaries need to supply Ukraine by ordering new weapons from the US. As Russia launches a multi-pronged offensive against Donetsk, Kharkiv and Sumy, Ukraine is unable to meet its urgent war materiel needs.


>Despite these negative headwinds, Ukraine’s unbreakable patriotism and tactical ingenuity can slow Russia’s advance. Ukrainian Armed Forces Commander Oleksandry Syrskyi’s declaration that Ukraine has stopped Russia’s offensive in Sumy and the Operation Spiderweb attack on Russian strategic bombers encapsulate these invaluable traits.


>Russia’s unwillingness to de-escalate the war despite staggering casualties and frustratingly slow gains suggests that Ukraine cannot rely on resolve alone. This realisation is turning Ukrainians who idolised Western economic and democratic institutions into cynics, and damaging Ukraine’s long-term prospects of integrating into the Trans-Atlantic security orbit.


>While Trump and Rutte hailed defence spending increases that should increase Nato’s long-term resilience, the Nato joint declaration’s marginalisation of Ukraine undoes many of the benefits of the system. Long-term security is impossible if we surrender to Russia in Ukraine.

>>2361098
>leaving their rookie replacements vulnerable to Russian human wave attacks
They're still going with that, eh?

>>2361113
Of course. It's a classic.

>>2361098
>Russia’s unwillingness to de-escalate the war despite staggering casualties and frustratingly slow gains suggests that Ukraine cannot rely on resolve alone. This realisation is turning Ukrainians who idolised Western economic and democratic institutions into cynics, and damaging Ukraine’s long-term prospects of integrating into the Trans-Atlantic security orbit.

Translation: Russia is winning.

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>>2361922
>the ukraine is fighting to ensure the us empire can properly regulate the global financial system…

Zzzzz

fizzling hard

It’s an interesting bias where anons are yawning over a 500 drone attack against various military-industrial sites in Ukraine, but are satisfied for weeks or even months by any attack on Russian soil that manages to strike a single target that may or may not have relevance to the conflict beyond tertiary effects like “this harms their economy very slightly and therefore brings victory a little bit closer for Ukraine”.

It seems likely, therefore, that the attack on the airbase in Murmansk will satisfy for years. I’m not even sure at this point flying a Geran directly at Zelensky’s face would compare, that would be meh and a cope target that hardly matches the airbase attack.

Ditto with the reaction to the F-16 shooting itself down,
>kek lmao yeah one plane that’s really it for Ukraine
When surely the bigger story is that F-16s scarcely make an appearance and when they do they’re shot down either by Russian AA or the predicted result of insufficient training with undeveloped tactics. Which I’m sure you’ll agree is a much bigger issue than a single loss.

>https://www.reuters.com/world/kremlin-condemns-azerbaijans-move-cancel-russian-cultural-events-following-2025-06-30/

<Tensions between Russia and Azerbaijan rose on Monday after the Kremlin said it disagreed with a decision by Azerbaijan to cancel Russian cultural events in response to the arrest in Russia of ethnic Azerbaijanis suspected of serious crimes.


Cucktin's weakness is making all his allies recoil away from him in disgust. Soon Russia will have no allies left besides Belarus.

Syrian forces massacred 1,500 Alawites. The chain of command led to Damascus.
A Reuters investigation found 40 distinct sites of killings, looting and arson during three days of sectarian massacres following an Assad loyalist insurgency. The chain of command led from the attackers directly to men serving alongside Syria’s new leaders in Damascus. The killings now threaten Syria's fragile transition.

https://www.reuters.com/investigations/syrian-forces-massacred-1500-alawites-chain-command-led-damascus-2025-06-30/

>>2362256
And the DPRK.

>>2362256
was az an ally? i thought it was just turkey's mini-me.

>>2362256
>Unacceptable that you’d arrest Azeri mafiosos, the only reasonable response is to remove all cultural ties with you like Ukraine did
<“Allies”
Second time as farce.

Drifting From the West’s Orbit, Russians Find a New Role Model in China
China has become trendy for Russians who once worshiped everything Western. Young people are learning Mandarin, and Chinese culture and goods have become ubiquitous in Moscow.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/30/world/europe/drifting-from-the-wests-orbit-russians-find-a-new-role-model-in-china.html

>>2362322
Uh huh, but to be fair the simping for the Roman Empire in the west is more bizarre imo

>>2362322
It's ok because China is Communist so Russian kids will also become Communist and then turn Russia back to Communism and then Slavs won't look up to anyone anymore once they're back to a good society.

>>2362330
most of the people who do do so for religious reasons or anchoring yourself to the "great empire" of rome

>>2362363
Yeah because China is the fourth Rome
Said no one ever

>>2362440
If you think Russian youth are bad wait until you see the western youth lmao.
Rudoy found out to his displeasure that only Russians cared about socialism when he moved to France and tried to organize.
At least Slavs are naturally inclined towards justice. Angos and Europeans seem to be born bootlickers for the wealthy.

>>2362312
Lukashenko’s son was studying Marxism in China

>>2362256
Azerbaijan is not a Russian ally, they are literally just Turkey

So who is winning the /ukr/ thread war?

>>2362484
Well I’m consistently here cooking and making slow but sure progress on dispelling all nafo propaganda, but then golden felix comes in here, claims I’m mindbroken and nafoids claim total victory. smh.

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https://xcancel.com/MyLordBebo/status/1939275754971283825#m

>🇺🇦🇷🇺 Russian armoured train operating on the Pokrovsk Direction

>>2362477
Iran must reclaim (((Azerbaijan))) which is rightful Iranic clay.

>>2362474
while Xi's daughter enrolled in fucking Harvard.
Common Luka W


>>2362564
Xi is like 70, how tf does he have a university age daughter

>>2362689
Nevermind I’m retarded and misread this lmao

Typical ziggerism employing children for terrorism

>>2362784
The ziggerian god-emperor Putin (PBUH) does not just do this but also takes them to the next step to fill his sacred golden throne with the souls of the miscarried
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/30/russia-pays-ukrainians-suicide-bombers-shadow-war-you-now
https://archive.is/zUrky

Zigger thread, Jesus Christ, imagine defending a country imperialist war, a zigger would probably defend nazi Germany in the 30s because is fighting "british imperialism", lmao

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I enjoy that every time a Russian official goes to the DPRK they make sure they understand their place in the pecking order.

>>2359499
So Cucktin loves Pissrael. He has to protect his illegal Russian settlers

>Dad, what did you do during the Gazan genocide?
<I paid my taxes and claimed Ziggers were the true supporters of genocide in a hypothetical situation that involves time travel

breakthrough imminent?

>>2362957
Just 2 more weeks

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https://archive.is/NjdYa

I cant stop reading reddit, I mean FT comments

>>2362876
Honestly after Cucktin… what is there for Russia other than some kind of socialism? Literal socialism with russian characteristics no doubt or just straight up Russian Juche, would be kind a based honestly.

>>2363012
That flag is cool (minus the NATO)
THREAD ON UKRAINE
in fact, are we retarded? Why hasn't anyone made a "don't thread on me" flag with a boot stamp on?

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>>2362876
their place being?
sorry I am confused by what you mean.

>>2362477
and Turkey is NATO. Turkey, Azerbaijan and NATO are all seething rn because Israel's war of aggression against Iran failed. They partly blame Russia for technical and military help to Iran making it harder to defeat.
>>2362845
Israel and Ukraine are the same thing. you drink liberal propaganda all day. fuck off.

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>>2362474
the hot one???

>>2362845
you think the soviet union fighting nazi germany was an interimperialist war

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>>2363340
yeah, he will lead the Union State

>>2363340
A chad even without photoshop

>>2363340
is he the heir apparent?

>>2363723
Not a Belarus expert but that doesn't exist in a socialist system.
>Lukashenko grew up without a father in his childhood, leading him to be taunted by his schoolmates for having an unmarried mother.[24] Due to this, the origin of his patronymic Grigorevich is unknown and there are varying rumours about the identity of Lukashenko's father. The most common suggestion is that the man was a Roma passing through the region.[25] His mother, Ekaterina Trofimovna Lukashenko (1924–2015), had given birth to another son, older than Alexander, who later died on an unknown date. Ekaterina worked unskilled jobs on a railway, at a construction site, at a flax factory in Orsha and finally as a milkmaid in Alexandria, a small village in the east of Belarus, close to the Russian border.
Looking this up real quick. Not exactly your classic Clinton-Kennedy-Bush type dynasty.

>>2362934
Be worried if you get another few centimeters in the upcoming weeks instead of foaming out of your mouth about being called a pro Zionist zigger on leftypol

>>2363730

Everybody starts somewhere

>>2362934
They will not propagate their low quality bloodline

You don't talk to westoids/nazis, you shoot them.
These people first need a reality check, until then you can talk literally for eternity, it won't do anything.
Liberals simply do not live in the same reality as the rest of humanity. Strictly speaking we all have our own reality somewhat, but it should be clear what is meant. A disconnect that makes it not hard but impossible to get through and get their head straight. You'd need a drill.

>>2349775
is ukrain loosing yet?

>>2363776
Only a few more thousand years

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And they don't pay taxes either (I do not think they are paid for this). One way or another they are subsidized by their (genocidal) state (in school, NEETing) / their parents.
Speaking of your progenitors, you should probably speak to them more.
Be less like yourself and more like Luka.
Damn, it shoulda been "screw their head on (right/tight?)"
Knew I was missing something

>>2363776
Exchanging Kursk for occupied regions status?

>Russian troops have discovered a makeshift chemical lab and vials containing banned toxins at a former Ukrainian hideout in the Donetsk People’s Republic, the Federal Security Service (FSB) announced on Tuesday. The cache, found near the village of Ilyinka during an advance by Russian forces, marks the second such discovery this year, the agency said.

>In footage released by the FSB, personnel in chemical protection gear are seen handling the vials, which reportedly contain chloropicrin – a choking agent prohibited under the Chemical Weapons Convention. According to the agency, the substances were packaged with plastic explosives and rigged into improvised munitions designed to be dropped from drones.


<read dis

<decided to check out the wiki article on said toxin
<first sentence: ROOOSIA is accused of using the substance in the ongoing war
ClocKKKwork

>>2363779
>Exchanging Kursk for occupied regions status?
idk what that means can you please speak normal?

>>2363776
>>2363779
Well, anyway. Ukraine looks really depressed, now that it's great victory of attacking Russian strategic aviation was grinded out and forgotten after the Israel-Iran conflict, with Russia striking whatever targets they want in Ukraine with drones for a month straight. I expect some another crazy impactful daring russki-defeating brave attack by the Ukraine that'll restore Ukraine's morale soon

>>2363782
Zelensky has officially claimed that Kursk incursion was a strategically important negotiating piece to make Russia relinquish occupied regions peacefully, because Ukraine cannot take them back by force

>>2361098
>Despite these negative [realz] headwinds, Ukraine’s unbreakable patriotism [feelz] and tactical ingenuity can slow Russia’s advance.
Totally winning, btw

>>2362322
Hello reddit

is this true?

>>2363791
It's spelt wiine, retard.

>>2363791
>Decisive action
So if 30 Abrams is a half-measure, would 60 be decisive?

>>2363791
>2 weeks more
vs
>2 drones more

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Russian libs, huh?

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>>2363815
Where's the lie?

>>2363820
Socialist nationalism, one oblast at a time.

>>2363749
You believe the Soviet Union fighting Nazi Germany was an interimperialist war

>>2363844
>Cucktin would prefer that 100,000 of his soldiers die doing these retarded stunts with golf carts than simply nuking every Ukrainian city and raising the flag over the rubble
Machiavelli was right. Sentimentality in war and mercy just leads to more death.

>>2363844
You believe the Soviet Union fighting Nazi Germany was an interimperialist war

>>2363844
jesus christ man

>>2363850
Nuking cities would kill dozens of millions?? They're doing golf cart tricks instead of winning the war because they are weak, there's nothing they can do except keep trying and hope for the best which is why ziggers had so much hope in Trump being elected

>>2363815
>democracies have never went to war with each other
Back in 70-80s libs were gloating that communists went to war with each other, and the democracies fighting each other was a truism everyone knew - so, communists fighting each other, "proletariat has nothing to take from each other and nothing to imperialize" being untrue, was a source of joy for libs

>>2363850
>there would be less death by nuking cities
retarded

>>2363888
You believe the Soviet Union fighting Nazi Germany was an interimperialist war

>>2363924
and you? you should shut up

>>2363888
>Nuking cities would kill dozens of millions?
Yeah while keeping hundreds of thousands of Russian soldiers alive. And hey maybe if Kiev gets nuked Zelensky and his morons would quickly fold and surrender just like how Japan surrendered in WW2. Unfortunately Cucktin is retarded and would prefer to lose hundreds of thousands of his soldiers to protect as many Ukrainian lives as possible thereby dragging the war onto a never ending stalemate with high casualties for Russia.

>>2363935
>hundreds of thousands of Russian soldiers

Yeah, nah

>>2363932
It’s funny that they have literally no response for this. Really exposes infantile retardation

>>2363964
because it isn't worth responding to, it's like if you're an atheist and you keep getting responded to with garbage about how "ᴉuᴉlossnW was an atheist" okay? what am i supposed to say to that exactly

>>2363977
Hmmm not quite comparable because it’s ultras making the claim that the Soviet Union was imperialist and that is being reflected back at them.

>>2363977
It’s something you believe but you can’t respond to because it basically exposes how absurd what you are arguing is. You are so disingenuous you can’t even post what you believe because you know it invalidates the arguments you are making

>>2363989
it's a shitty gotcha, what do you want me to say exactly? yes? no?
>>2363984
>ultras OWNED with this gotcha
also like how you slipped in a sidepoint that the USSR being imperialist is an "ultra" position (i guess hoxha and mao were ultras)

Why would you delete that video you snowflakes? It's a war thread, this is what war is.

lol at buttblasted ziggers reporting a video for showing reality.

While you don't know (anything) you've guessed correctly (this time)

Have a look, it should be pretty simple

>>2363998
>So Hoxhaists and Maoists are ultras!?
Well kinda yeah.

>GOTCHA

It’s not really a gotcha though, is it? It’s a pretty obvious component of considering the USSR to be imperialist and that you’re, naturally, opposed to imperialist conflicts, thus you’d have to take an anti-campist stance on Nazi Germany.

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>>2364005
>Irwn Silber

>>2363998
>i guess hoxha and mao were ultras
they literally are thoughever

>>2364008
>Well kinda yeah.
a deeply odd position but i'll at least say you're consistent
>It’s not really a gotcha though, is it? It’s a pretty obvious component of considering the USSR to be imperialist and that you’re, naturally, opposed to imperialist conflicts, thus you’d have to take an anti-campist stance on Nazi Germany.
it's a gotcha because it's lazy, as if it at all invalidates the position as if it actually matters if it was YES or NO or whatever, the point is that it's lazy and a distraction from any actual argument being made
>>2364010
meds, now

>>2363998
Do you think Mao and Hoxha thought the Soviet Union was imperialist in the 40’s? Are you genuinely retarded? I remember when ultras used to actually be intelligent autists and not contrarian retards

>>2363935
hundreds of thousands of russians aren't going to die
Japan didn't surrender because of the nukes
the war isn't a stalemate
the war will have an end
Russian casualties aren't as high as you claim they are

Cucktin posters are fucking tiring, and i'm convinced most of them are either Ukrop shills to begin with, or they will become traitors eventually:
>i have to support ukraine now because i could no longer take the cucktining!
just like their dead traitor hero prigo. they already constantly spout every bogus ukropaganda talking point out there, it's just a matter of time until they "break" and are "forced" to become nazis due to the frustration of everyone not listening to their brilliant advice.

>>2364014
So it should be pretty simple to answer yes or no then? If you’re not a disingenuous retard

>>2364025
i refuse to answer a question that has no relevance to the conversation at hand

>>2364019
no but it was worded so poorly that i had to emphasize that

>>2364014
>because it’s lazy
No, it’s just finding flaws in that logic is easy. Besides, the reality of Hoxha and Mao is that the USSR was supplying gibs but also had an opinion on Albanian and Chinese governance. The USSR throwing the weight of its gibs around to guide those countries to what fits better within the Soviet sphere? Perhaps. Breaking away from Soviet gibs because you want complete independence from papa Soviet Union, admirable. Crying imperialism because not having gibs any more sucks, sad.


>>2364075
>The first chapter in the anti-communism for ignorants handbook
Back to /pol/ you go

>>2364002
Leftoids want to keep "150,000" dead Russians as a mere statistic and not as horrifying reality of the slaughter of proletarians.

>>2364083
>horrifying reality
just stop being a pussy, people have died, people are dying, and people will continue to die.

>uhg shills mad their goreposting got deleted

>>2364092
Yes exactly, so leave the video there and dont ban people who post this reality.

>>2364113
It’s a theory board, performatively circlejerking over gore to suggest Russia is losing on all levels but literally is not theory.

>>2364113
You believe the Soviet Union fighting Nazi Germany is an interimperialist war

>>2364082
Cool, but is it false tho? Its an inter-imperialist war, even if there's a new caveat that one side wants the total extermination of the other.

>>2364156
So if WWII was happening now, you would be in Nazi telegrams downloading terabytes of fascist forever red army soldiers dying to own /leftypol/ is what you are admitting right now lol

>>2364156
>but is it false tho?
What anti-communists think it implies is.

>>2364092
Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians and Russians did not, in fact, need to die in this inter-imperialist proxy war.

Leftoids want to believe otherwise, which is why the harsh reality of this war is suppressed in this website, so that this delusion is easier to believe.

bro is really seething this much about his fascist telegram gore 😭

>>2364176
never used the word "need" pal, take your liberal platitudes and shove them up your ugly ass

>>2364176
>harsh reality of this war
Aside from gore, kidnapping Ukrainian civilians to ship them off to the front and headlines about their corpses not being collected by Kiev are also posted to remind us of this.

>>2364189
Videos of kidnappings*

>>2364162
If WW2 was happening right now I would be encouraging Germans to practice revolutionary defeatism, and for both Russians and Germans to turn their arms against their govts once the war is over, in order to establish a DotP by force.

Also in your analogy, I would be posting gore of fascist forces since they were the invading force, just like Russia is the invading force now. You are not even smart enough to correctly apply a simply analogy.

>>2364176
agree, ukraine should have followed the peace treaty instead of breakng it. then none of this would be happening.
but they blew it and now it is happening and they're losing, which they deserve.

>>2363828
Whatever helps you cope about not getting anything done

>>2364186
>never used the word "need" pal

I assumed your position functionally is that this is a war of necessity, probably because you believe Russia is anti-imperialist or whatever like 98% of this retarded website. Am I wrong and you're actually just making a blithe statement of "bad things happen bro"?

>>2364194
Okay but would you then change to posting Red Army gore at the start of Operation Bagration because that was the turning point where Nazi Germany became smol bean nation and the USSR becomes the all powerful invaders?

>>2364199
As opposed to you…

>>2364189
Yes those things are horrible and similarly what Russia does is also horrible. This is an inter-imperialist war where both sides do horrible things, and the proletariat of both countries should oppose this war.

>>2364206
>N-No u
Lol

>>2364210
>what Russia does is also horrible
Using professional soldiers to oppose further military expansion by a conglomerate of imperial powers to its borders.

The problem with libs is them not understanding that invasion is not equated to imperialism.

>>2364202
i dont have a "position" becuase im not some fucking larper making prayers for the dead like it makes any differance.
if you think this site is so retarded, why dont you go back to wherever you came from?

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>>2359637
>>2360799
Stagnant frontlines
when war started they almost took Kiev
now they barely take 1 fucking mile per month
FUCK YOU CUCKTIN TRAITOR, PRIGOZHIN DID NOTHING WORNG
DEATH TO UKRAINE
ZA RODINU
ZA NOVOROSSIYA

>>2364216
You're being intentionally obtuse to hide your retarded politics which I made you self-conscious about

>>2364205
I would post gore of both armies as agitprop to show people the real cost of war.

>>2364323
>>2364326
quit squirming, i know i get under your skin, but you can just leave already.

>>2364214
Communists don't care, and we encourage the working class to not care, about the defense of this or that capitalist nation state.

>>2364278
The first imagine is highly misleading. Those were not properly occupied fortified areas but barely troop moments - which were rebuffed. The only embarrassing loss was Kherson. When you like at the Donbass, the Russian made steady gains since then but with permanent occupational residence in those areas, fortified it, gave the inhabitants Russian passports and established permanence presence there. Ukraine basically has zero chance to take them back

>>2364332
Brightest projection I ever seen lmao

>>2363815
>democracies never go to war
Technically true but also a lie. Liberalization is based on a shared international system created not by democratization, but overcoming great power rivalry. That's why it's held together by a stable hegemon. Democratization doesn't preclude wars, it comes in the aftermath of them.
The main issue is democratic Russia or not, the West would still be clashing with the same national interests that exist in either form. I recently saw Chas Freeman reiterate this on Iran.
>>2364202
>this is a war of necessity, probably because you believe Russia is anti-imperialist
Yes and yes

This thread is full of zegros.

Russia has a chance to slightly redeem itself by immediately launching a full scale invasion of Azerbaijan and completely subjugating their stupid ass Zionist state. Do it now, Putler.

>>2364358
They can't even subjugate Ukraine bro.

>>2364335
>Communists don't care
About an aggressive and expansionist conglomerate of imperialist states? Yeah okay nafoid.

>>2364358
Ruzzian's escpecially their bourgeoise government love zionism and their zionists want more land from Palestinians

>>2364358
So I'm seeing something about Russia and Azerbaijan getting into some beef? Seeing pics and videos of Russians getting manhandled by cops in Baku, and Azeris getting the same treatment in Russian cities. Maybe we can get some more Red Alert 2 style videos out of this.

>>2364401

Quick rundown on Azerbaijan?

Which country is getting invaded by Russia next?

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>>2364451
Its basically ISIS / Turkish proxy

>>2364513
Why them? What justification will be used for the invasion? And arent these countries NATO? These states wont be invaded

>>2364503
Chechenia.

>>2364524
What? Elaborate

Le workers must be le antimilitarist.
>>2364401
This is militarism. This is le bad

>>2364540
uh long live the butcher putin, russia invade every country in the world pls

>>Zelenskyy was viewed by opponents, and not least by the incumbent Poroshenko, as Kolomoyskyi's candidate.[134] Zelenskyy appointed Kolomoyskyi's personal lawyer as a key campaign advisor; travelled to Geneva and Tel Aviv to confer with the then-exiled Kolomoyskyi on multiple occasions; and benefited from the endorsement of Kolomoyskyi's media empire. Once in office, Zelenskyy appeared to remove officials deemed a threat to Kolomoyskyi's interests, among them the Prosecutor General, Ruslan Ryaboshapka, the Governor of the National Bank of Ukraine (NBU), Yakiv Smolii, and Zelenskyy's first prime minister, Oleksiy Honcharuk, who tried to loosen Kolomoyskyi's control of a state-owned electricity company.

>>2364560
he doesn't get a long live the butcher quote because he's not a butcher yet, he needs to actually shake the slot machine and break it before he earns it

>Politico - The Pentagon has halted shipments of some air defense missiles and other precision munitions to Ukraine due to worries that U.S. weapons stockpiles have fallen too low.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/01/pentagon-munitions-ukraine-halt-00436048

>>2364697
And people still believe that they're going to fight and win WWIII…

Best military analysis youtubers? I want to catch up on this war

>>2364866
can war nerds tell me if there are any war analysis youtubers who do historic battles? i'd like to learn more about the Battle of Cuito Cuanavale.
Thought you nerds might know, thanks.

oh Putin please nuke Italy

We need to incinerate millions of proles in nuclear fire in order to save the lives of hundreds of thousands of russian soldiers or else putin is le cucked

>>2365116
>in order to save the lives of
Why would you want that?

>>2364523
That anon is just wishing they were invaded.

how dare putin be so islamophobia

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>>2365319
Why did he wait 3 fucking years for Artsakh to fall to decide that Azerbaijan must be done away with now?

>>2365323
He really is a cuck, he watched as azeri jihadists gutted armenians and took away their lands and did nothing. He's probably cucking out right now waiting for Poland to take a piece of Ukraine.

>>2365319
All the meme talk about ussr 2.0 might be coming true out of necessity. Periphery republics can't be left to their own devices because they're too small to resist western subversion, so Russia has little choice but to seize direct control.

>>2365116
they could do it in lvov, no proles there

>>2365326
nah Cucktin is retarded but that one is completely on the Armenians

>>2365326
…why should Russia for Armenia or Azerbaijan? How is this Russia's problem? Not even Armenia herself had officially recognized Artsakh

>>2365400
yah the pro-NATO armenitards wanted Artsakh gone because they saw it as a barrier to joining the West, so they basically abandoned it and were like noooooo save us russia!!!!!!!!

>>2365409
They didn't want Artsakh gone, they wanted Israel treatment for itself. Meanwhile, Azerbaijan - and Turkey - are better targets to keep friendly for NATO

>>2365400
It's not. Pashinyan made gambles that didn't work. But this thread is for scrying internet memes for truth scoops in a shattered media environment

>>2365416
they did want it gone because disputed territories will prevent EU-NATO integration, but they also wanted it to unfold in a way that Russia would take the blame for losing it.
It's the same reason the Ukranos refused to accept an autonomous Donbas even though it was mandated by UN resolution. Ukraine's approach was to keep fighting until they took it back, Armenia's was to give theirs away. Either way works to the same goal.

>>2363888
>which is why ziggers had so much hope in Trump being elected
oh wow i didn't realize your butthurt was a result of such a specific delusion

Prove to me this isn't a 20 years late Soviet civil war. Ukraine's commanders are Jewish, Azerbaijani, Russians, and no Ukrainians are in sight

>>2363888
Literally nobody up to the Kremlin counted on Trump to win the war for Russia. They just enjoy western infighting, which they should. Democracy wars are bankrupt failures

>>2365521
There was a hope that there could be a deal with Trump. Putin had certainly reciprocated that hope. Ukraine didn't want to even discuss the peace without Russia immediately signing to a ceasefire, and so Trump was humiliated by Zelensky and stopped pushing for peace

>>2365523
Yes they hoped for normalization of relations and less support for Ukraine. Nobody expected Trump to force Europeans to accept peace addressing root causes or at least SMO goals, they hate him too much
The demands for a Korea style ceasefire to frozen conflict pipeline made that evident. I think the Russian experience with Trump's diplomats showed they didn't understand much and just wanted to get points for Trump's nobel peace prize. The difference of Biden and Trump was 'however long it takes' vs 'give us time to rearm with a flawed peace deal in exchange for sanctions relief'
The real value is an old cold war marriage between libs and the right turning into a divorce, with strain on transatlantic ties to boot. This is of benefit to not just Russia, but all of BRICS. Look at how Trump's retardation in the mideast is alienating Asia. The West either declines together in isolated unity or actors go out on their own to save themselves and erode old partnerships
This is why Russia has long term prospects in this war and its enemies don't

>>2365511
>if you are jew you are not a real Ukrop
Welcome back Adolf
Or Stepan

>>2365376
Direct rule from Moscow. Let's go mufugga
>>2365319
I don't even know what's going on.
Normally (I'd expect) when Russia does a bad it's on my (westoid) media immediately.

>>2365526
So, you get triggered by Jews, but have nothing to say about Azerbaijani and Russians?

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Putin still giving us one L after another. heh wannabe regional power lol

https://archive.is/ZBWF1

>>2365573
Azeri and Russian are nationalities distinct from Ukrop, so it's at least logically sound
Of course I don't believe a word out of your keyboard, retard

>>2365599
So many Ls. It must mean a Ukrainian breakthrough soon

Baker, baker
more dead nazis please

>>2365319
I would support Putin nuking Azerbaijan
Zionist shithole

>>2365526
How can be a Ukrop if you have dual loyalty

>>2365638
Fucking who cares
It's just another Dolchstoß myth
It wasn't NATO winding you up and throwing you against a superior force in a suicidal charge. It was da juus

>>2364604
>Retarded russians still pushing this bullshit talking point
<DA JEWISH KOLOMOYSKYI IS BEHIND EVERYTHING
meanwhile in reality:

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Fine I do it myself
>>2365683
>>2365683
Took out the reference to ISG put the call to action back in. Let's see if it holds this time.
I'm not gonna check if the links are still appropriate / working.
That is not in my wheelhouse as a very occasional thread maker.


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