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All of you celebrating Mamdani are about to receive the fell for it again award, just like you did with Bernie and AOC, and Obama if you're old enough to remember. Unless a socialist is running for an explicitly revolutionary socialist party, they're going to sell out. Also, Mamdani's wife was heavily active in the cultural push for regime change in Syria.
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>>2361737
Yes that is why he was updated by Lenin Stalin and Mao. While his particular prescriptions like the ten planks of the manifesto might be "outdated" its never been the case that communists dogmatically copy and paste specific policies into different material conditions but instead use Marx's method of analysis and apply it to new conditions. That's why dialectical materialism, the method, is called a science, and why we similarly don't abandon the scientific method when particular theories are overcome as our understanding of the world develops.

>>2361744
> its never been the case that communists dogmatically copy and paste specific policies into different material conditions but instead use Marx's method of analysis and apply it to new conditions.
This is a long euphemism for capitulation

>>2361745
capitulation of what?

>>2361746
To the law of value, to capital

>>2361747
How does adapting policies according the specific environment capitulate to capital? And what would you have people do instead?
>the law of value
I thought Marx was outdated?

>>2361749
Communism isn’t policy, the fact that you’re thinking in terms of policy or government means your thoughts are all liberal and bourgeois infected

>>2361745
He says right before listing the 10 planks
>These measures will, of course, be different in different countries.
and specifies that they are general guidelines for "advanced countries"

>>2361752
“Advanced” countries have all managed to get all ten planks without abolishing capital or the law of value

>>2361753
All the advanced countries have abolished property and inheritance?

>>2361756
The government can just come and take it whenever they want so in effect yes

>>2361751
I didn't say communism was a policy, but you definitely do need a workers government to get to communism. You can't just declare there to be no government anymore before building the material foundation to support a society without a government. And you didn't say what your alternative for achieving a communist society was.

>>2361761
Thats always been the case so its not exactly a change that they have all managed "in effect" or otherwise.

>>2361763
Workers government is an oxymoron, they’re either working or in government, you can’t do both at the same time. What, I’m gonna weld and also go to a meeting determining where what I’m welding goes and how it’s used? Nothing would get done

>>2361751
"communism is not a policy" does not mean that communists dont have any policies, it means its not "a" policy, its not a legal declaration.

>>2361771
Okay its time to stop deflecting and actually answer what you think communism is.

>>2361764
Then private property has never existed, the communist movement only fights ghosts, or less charitably, its just another faction hungry for its own power for the sake of power. That’s why most proles reject it.

>>2361774
A pretense used by the power hungry now that no one is convinced by Divine Right of Kings

>>2361776
what makes you think communists give a fuck what a non-communist thinks?

>>2361781
If communists are supposed to take over the government they inevitably have to deal with working with and for non communist elements to “get the goods”

>>2361784
not talking about your fantasy ideas about the proles just (You)

>>2361785
I am a prole and deal with proles every day, they don’t want communism and they don’t want any change in government, they want their wages higher and products cheaper.

>>2361780
>And what would you have people do instead?

>>2361790
What they always do because it’s the only thing TO do, class struggle only reifies capitalism and strengthens it.

>>2361788
I am a prole and deal with proles every day, they want communism and they want a change in government.

>>2361798
What’s your sector? Mine is steel manufacturing

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>>2361801
Unlike feudalism or oriental despotism (the only existing alternatives), capitalism uses both its internal crises and class struggle to reify and reinforce itself. There’s literally no form of political activity that doesn’t benefit the bourgeois in some way, including “communist” revolution.

>>2361808
No. Capital's recuperation of struggle against it only accelerates capital's obsolescence. For example, the 5 day work-week and the cold war both accelerated the development of the productive forces in their own ways.

>>2361831
The productive forces aren’t developing toward communism, they’re just new ways to seek rent, advanced capitalism also makes workers apolitical and apathetic instead of pushing them into struggle because workers understand how useless it is to struggle, especially when either getting a different job or becoming petit bourgeois are infinitely more realistic than the establishment of communism (which wouldn’t even benefit them based on ML oriental despot regimes that do exist)

>>2361836
No. Globalization and outsourcing were an attack against the 30% unionization of America. The continued push for outsourcing necessitated the development of better mass communications/the internet. Also class struggle necessitated the internet for propaganda purposes. Such technology can now be repurposed for central planning of resources. Worker resistance through apathy in the imperial core has necessitated the development of an array of torturous opiates in the pharmaceutical industry which have also led to a greater understanding of the body.

>>2361853
None of this is leading towards liberation, especially when you consider climate change

All my comrades at the steel factory said they have never heard of you and you sound like a loser. They said they want ML oriental despotism and that it would benefit them.

imho

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>Speaking Sunday with NBC’s Meet the Press on Sunday, Mamdani said, “no, I am not” a communist.

>>2361883
thatsound better than a smoll bean brick and mortar zionist who rapes working class people with inflation

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My Queen!

i see it like this

>would leftypol rather have a communist winning

yes

>is it going to happen?

no

>are people like mamdani, bernie, aoc, the furthest left possible in this fucked up system

yes

>well they be disappointment suc dems

yes

>>2361725
you've just started talking about an entirely different and unrelated thing, and it's also wrong anyway! even if we take you at your word that this is what Marx meant (it's not), the productive forces for Communism have been ready for decades and decades now, even in the third world.

>>2361951
If he were honest he would just call himself a Strasserite

>>2362283
>he thinks the development of productive forces and therefore the essence of communism has some arbitrary limit and isn’t a continuous process
Found the utopian

>>2362117
What does suc dem even mean in this context. I’m someone who focuses on language and context and people throw at this term social democrat haphazardly. And now here you’re sharing disappointed socdem. When you say that do you mean that they are gonna fail to reform the system towards a more social democratic one or are you saying that they will do successful social democratic reforms that are meaningful but that they won’t go further? You have to be specific in what you say cuz what you said just doesn’t make sense.

>>2362288
Strasserism is more preferable than any neoliberal or neoconservative Ideology and or economic policy of today. In fact I would prefer to have any of the strong welfare state ideas become mainstream today rather than neoliberalism and neoconservativism.

>>2362115
Zohran Mamdani will be the Supreme Leader of the first New York City Caliphate. Mamdani 1 and his queen Rama Duwaji will rule over us in their great Benevolence.

>>2362298
Preferable to (you) maybe, since it would give you and your ilk a bigger share of imperial spoils. For anyone not part of the golden billion things remain the same

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>>2359823
>'This so much this China is like ᴉuᴉlossnW!!'
<t. Ultraleft fag defending the IJA and IDF

>>2362303
Yeah, tell that to any currently existing welfare state. The US with all its imperialism is hilariously backwards compared to so called developing states and or third world welfare states. I wish the US was more like these developing nations in its welfare policy. So yes. I don’t care for neoliberalism, neither does the rest of the global south.

>>2362328
meds, now

>>2362115
overrated tbh

low quality thread

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