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>>2411292 >>2411601>So I'd actually be interested if anyone has any capeshit/"alternative" recommendations.I sure do. The starting reccommendation are Vertigo and the general ouvre of the writers usually associated with it. Wildstorm also printed a lot of great cape stuff. Even the mainline DC and Marvel universes have their gems, such as China Mieville's Dial H (RIP in F).
For commie stuff, the closest things that come to my mind are The Winter Men and The Programme (tho I haven't read them) and Red Star, which is rather crappy but posits an interesting universe where a Final Fantasy-like world reached a Russian Revolution stage. For more precise recommendations just add more details as to what you want.
>>2411604>>2411605Originally called The Horde, it's currently in print renamed as Jihad. I have two separate scans of the former which I just tried uploading here but the board doesn't accept the file extension. So I uploaded to the first file host I found, seems the files will last a week:
https://limewire.com/d/gdOd3#alUfMiVayn >>2412631she is white
>Caitlyn Smith and remarried another chud in the community
>>2412638 (me)
not by their race science standards anyway
>>2412654>It's actually a Soviet lada 1200.Yeah, I know, it says that in this image:
>>2412637And a Lada is just a Fiat anyways.
>The car is a licence-built version of the Fiat 124https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VAZ-2101https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_124 >>2412660Seriously. Poland is having the same thing happen to it, where because conditions keep improving the people let corpos fuck them over fully.
Either China is capitalist, or Poland is still communist.
>>2412669>Capitalism is a progressive force until it's become state-monopoly capital This is incredibly false and anti-marxist to like, the highest degree. Chinese capitalism (like all advanced forms of capitalism)
is state monopoly capitalism, but capitalism doesn't need to reach a monopoly state to be considered not progressive, it ceased being progressive centuries ago.
>>2412647https://www.workersliberty.org/story/2025-05-14/big-vehicle-workers-strike-china https://carnewschina.com/2024/05/20/strike-at-byd-factory-in-wuxi-workers-seek-fair-treatment/Here's some articles. They should be striking for more pay but they rather have more hours. The government also tried to crack down on 996 and I think even made it illegal but both employee and business just ignored it. The chinese just have a good work ethic, I don't know what to tell you. Also it's not uncommon even in the states to hear people work 80+ hours if they really like their job.
>>2412660Not a dengist or even saying this is the right, just the chinese probably tolerate these working conditions because they see their lives have improved substantially these last few decades.
>>2412686ew
give me the socialism for lazy people please
>>2412691>China is not capitalist. It is. They have landlords, private businesses and corporations, billionares and a labor aristocracy. And what is state owned is overseen by a bureaucratic state bourgeoisie.
>The system of exploitatiom of man by man has been abolished.<Itt we have proof of workers literally fucking working for wages in China.Jfc, smh.
>>2412681>second pic>to reverse course on the compromise they…no, they don't. in business economics, and international trade schools is still being taught that exporting labor is the way to make profitable any business.
what they might be reversing is the jobs exports to Chynah. Out of spite.
>>2412741>that's baffling. couldn't they just have a machine test the pressure of the draw and the chemical mix of the vape juice for optimum flavor? seems very weird to have a human doing this那是因为你是个懒惰的美国鬼佬
That's because you are lazy American gweilo
你这个胖子也需要一台机器来帮你走路吗？
Do you need a machine to walk for you too fatass?
>>2412689Speaking of the devil…
Has Trump congratulated his minion on his last victory? Here comes the god-emperor of Central America. Now unrestrained by such banalities such as electoral terms or divisions of powers
El Salvador approves indefinite presidential re-electionhttps://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/8/1/el-salvador-approves-indefinite-presidential-re-election >>2412645damn, what a bunch of cucks.
>>2412689>>2412814those who once called Maduro and Chavez dictators for the unlimited reelection possibility, but sucked dried bukele's balls because daddy trump says so, are
a) at odds 😩
b) doubling down 😈 (daddy trump must do the same)
X-sphere is delightfully evil place.
>>2412861nothingburger, always bet on nothing
>>2412873its a decent film
>>2412863there's a scene in
inglourious basterds (spelled wrong on purpose) where some British agents are posing as nazis in nazi germany. They blend in pretty well but a very wiley SS officer catches onto them and tries to make them blow their cover in a very long and tense scene. He is unable to get them to blow their cover. But eventually the Brit orders 3 beers with his index, middle, and ring fingers, unlike the Germans, who would have done so with thumb, index, middle. This outs him as British and leads to a shootout where almost everyone in the tavern dies. People use it as a reaction pic to say "I suspect you aren't a usual poster this website"
>>2412984I guess when manufacturing porcelain cookware they expect a uniform density in the finished product and they used to test this by tone.
>>2412985yeah that goes without saying I was just thinking about all the bizarre tedious weird things under capitalism that could be automated but aren't.
what was most sad about that clip was that they said they smoke outside of work too. which means that work probably gave or exacerbated their nicotine addiction
>>2413012>Absolutely. He has even already received a luxury jet from them, which he has now designated as Air Force one. I expect to him to continue to escalate with the enforcement of his specific tastes on other federal in the future.When you come to think of it, he's basically the kind of guy the CIA puts in power to privatize the water supply to Bechtel or something. If he were Brazilian or Mexican, he'd be considered a valuable ally of the USA.
>>2413014>I was younger in 2016, but I don't remember places sucking up to Hillary after she lostIf they're actually stupid enough to run Kopmala in 2028 it'll be a coronation of J.D. Vance. But then again, it's the DNC we're talking about, so its safe to assume they are are that stupid.
>>2412968While you have a point that equating Race exclusively with skin color, is quite vague, nonsensical, and not in line with a Scientific definition of Race (ie. The Biological concept of Race, which I controversially do not believe is “Racist” in and of itself, as it is frankly ridiculous to claim that a German, a Yoruba, and a Chinese person look the same, as anyone who is not blind can easily differentiate between them, Forensic Anthropologists can tell whether an individual is of West Eurasian/“Caucasoid’, East Eurasian/“Mongoloid”, Sub-Saharan African/“Negroid’, or Australo-Melenesian/“Australoid” Racial ancestry based on differences in their Skull Structure/Cranial Measurements, and Population Geneticists can tell your ancestry through your Autosomal DNA PCR clusters and Y-DNA Haplogroups, and Physical Anthropologists in the USSR published Racial Typologies and recognized Race as a Biological reality, as the Biological concept of Race only becomes “Racist” if you do what the Nazis and Southern Crackers did, and use these Biological categories as an excuse to oppress/exterminate populations based on the Pseudo-Scientific Eugenicist idea that Race is linked with intelligence, and that certain Races are “Superior” or “Inferior” in some schizo hierarchy, as any Marxist knows that the concept of “Intelligence” is based on whatever is or is not valued in a specific Mode of Production, and that what people call “Intelligence” has been scientifically proven to be overwhelmingly the result of Environmental/Socioeconomic factors over genetics), Black/New Afrikan Nationalism is not “nonsensical’ by any means, and it is Reactionary White Settler Chauvinism to compare it to Reactionary Fascist White Nationalism, due to the fact that The U$ is a Prison house of Nations, which treats the Black/New Afrikan, Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo, and First Nations/Native American population like they are not U$ citizens (Trump ending birthright citizenship will probably transform this from a De facto to a De jure reality by officially stripping citizenship from most of these populations), with them essentially acting as a permanent domestic underclass with essentially no rights that are exploited for cheap labor and disproportionately suffer from Mass incarceration and police brutality, with their neighborhoods essentially under De facto occupation by militarized police, as New Afrika, Aztlan, and the First Nations, are Internal Colonies/Oppressed Nations inside of the U$, and their National Liberation should be the number one goal of U$ Communists as stipulated by Lenin’s principle of Self-Determination for all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR, which will happen once World War III escalates into a Global Nuclear War that will destroy the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System, thus allowing for a World Maoist PPW to create a Global USSR (all of the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR are pictured in the map I posted, with the former U$ Balkanized into a New African SSR that includes the Black/New Afrikan majority counties of the Black Belt, a Hispano-American SFSR that includes the Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo majority counties in the U$ Southwest, along with the rest of the Spanish-speaking Multiracial regions of the Americas, while the White Settler majority regions in the rest of the former U$ becomes part of the Anglo-American SFSR, which also includes the English-speaking provinces of Canada, as Quebec will become its own SSR, with all the Native American reservations becoming ASSRs) to Place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
>>2413229It was funny how mad Obama made the right, and, for the most part, totally on accident just by existing as a black president.
Here you have an absolutely nothingburger president who is basically just a big corporate stooge and feckless centrist, and every single depiction of the dude from the right was just dripping with racial anxiety. Like, they loved that random picture of Obama with his head held up in a very deliberate message of "look at this uppity uyghur who thinks he's better than me!"
>>2412915Peoples jobs are going to be tied to this shit.
You are already fucked.
>>2412932>bringing jobs>literal "job creators" rhetoric from 2010 Fox NewsAmerican capitalists outsourced jobs to China in the 1970s not out of the goodnes of their hearts, but because they could exploit the Chinese proletariat more profitably than the American proletariat (because the dirty American treatlerites were better organized and demanded higher wages back then).
Are the Chinese "bringing jobs to America" because they have warm feelings for what you just called "the most disgusting people history has ever produced" ? No. Of course not. Don't be naive. Capitalism is a system. A mode of production. It's not about feelings. Jobs are outsourced to the places labor can be paid cheaply. What capital does, regardless of nationality, is gatekeeep the jobs until they can be worked at low wages. In the same way that they will burn good food if it can't be sold at a high price, they will sit on good jobs if they can't be hired at a low age.
>>2413356>It is not just purging one Revisionist, it is purging all Revisionists and purging the entire Superstructure itself of all Bourgeois and Reactionary elements in a Cultural Revolution,well now you're just indulging in a fantasy where these institutions calling themselves communist parties were not only not rotting from the inside, but had the internal power to make all revisionism instantly disappear. But the truth was these parties were highly besieged entities in a capitalist world and still are.
So the question becomes: Why is it taking so long? Well when we look at the transition from feudalism to capitalism, that took centuries as well. Between the merchant Republics of medieval Italy to the Industrial Revolution in England, Capitalism took several centuries of development before emerging in its modern form: The sovereign industrialized bourgeois Republic. The working class forms of government are still historical prototypes. For Socialism we are still in the phase capitalism was in during its embryo form in the medieval maritime merchant republic. The new society is born inside the old society, and has its birthmarks.
Marx says something about this:
<No social order is ever destroyed before all the productive forces for which it is sufficient have been developed, and new superior relations of production never replace older ones before the material conditions for their existence have matured within the framework of the old society." - Karl Marx, from the preface to A Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy (1859)So the question becomes, how do we know when this point is reached? Deng was actually optimistic in this regard:
<“I am convinced that more and more people will come to believe in Marxism, because it is a science. Using historical materialism, it has uncovered the laws governing the development of human society. Feudal society replaced slave society, capitalism supplanted feudalism, and, after a long time, socialism will necessarily supersede capitalism. This is an irreversible general trend of historical development, but the road has many twists and turns. Over the several centuries that it took for capitalism to replace feudalism, how many times were monarchies restored! So, in a sense, temporary restorations are usual and can hardly be avoided. Some countries have suffered major setbacks, and socialism appears to have been weakened. But the people have been tempered by the setbacks and have drawn lessons from them, and that will make socialism develop in a healthier direction. So don't panic, don't think that Marxism has disappeared, that it's not useful any more and that it has been defeated. Nothing of the sort!” Deng Xiaoping, Excerpts From Talks Given In Wuchang, Shenzhen, Zhuhai And Shanghai, 1992 >>2413350If a small group of individuals made a different set of decisions we'd have global communism by now.
Stalin could have pushed forward his anti-market economic reforms and killed Khrushchev. Khrushchev could have shut up about Stalin, taken a more aggressive stance with the west, reversed the market reforms and not alienate Mao. Mao could have just dealt with Khrushchev's stupidity until the next general secretary took over, not have the Sino-Soviet split, listen to the Soviets about industry and not do the great leap forward. Brezhnev could have been more aggressive with the west, have had more anti-corruption/anti-market reforms while reforming the bloated military. Even if Gorbachev had just done perestroika but not glasnost, the USSR would still exist albeit it would more like Dengist China.
>>2413390"in defense of lost causes" is quite a bad zizek book
the worst ive read is "living in the end times"
>>2413400Trump internally: No loose ends
Trump publicly: The democrats killed Maxwell with their agents that have infiltrated our beautiful prison system
>>2413363I’m sorry Comrade, but your argument is a laughably large dose of Copium, as though you are right that Capitalism took several Centuries to replace Feudalism, you cannot seriously argue that Socialism will take several Centuries to replace Capitalism (The quote from the Revisionist Capitalist Roader Deng is very unconvincing to say the least, while the Marx quote is true on the surface, it was written in the context of the First Industrial Revolution in the 19th Century), because Technology is developing at a much faster rate then it was in the Late Middle Ages, Early Modern Era, or even during the First, Second, and Third Industrial Revolutions from 1750-2000, due to the fact that the 4th Industrial Revolution is on track to Automate ~50% of the Workforce by 2050, and over 90% of the Workforce by 2100, and by the time that happens, the Workers and Oppressed Nations will have no way to fight back and avoid getting completely eliminated by the High-Tech Fascist Police State Panopticon (ie. this is the Patchwork concept that the NRx Dark enlightenment freaks like Yarvin/Theil/Musk are planning), so the Dark reality is that if the seemingly inevitable World War III between the U$ and China dose not happen and escalate into a Global Nuclear War that will Destroy the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System that will allow for a World Maoist PPW that will create a Global USSR that will place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, or their is not a very unlikely revival of
Social Democracy in the Imperial Core that would implement UBI which would divorce Income from employment as the 4th Industrial Revolution Automates the Workforce, while the reshoring of Automated Supply Chains from the Periphery/Semi-Periphery combined with a Non-Interventionist U$ foreign policy and Multipolarity allows Maoist PPWs to successfully overthrow all the Comprador Capitalist regimes in the Periphery/Semi-Periphery (China would either transition back to Socialism through a Maoist takeover of the CCP or face another Maoist PPW to restore Socialism), which would eventually Semi-Peacefully merge with the Social Democratic Imperial Core to create a Global USSR that will place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism (the 4th Industrial Revolution/UBI/Multipolar Shining Path to Communism is obviously preferable to the Global Nuclear War Shining Path to Communism, but the U$ rapidly transforming into a Fascist Police State under Trump means that the Global Nuclear War Shining Path is significantly more realistic then the 4th Industrial Revolution/UBI/Multipolar Shining Path), then we will live in Eugene’s Ultra-Dystopian World where the International Haute Bourgeoisie slowly kill off all the Proles Worldwide and eventually live in a Global Fully Automated High-Tech Utopia where they attempt to achieve immortality through Transhumanism and merge with Machines, basically Communism for the Haute Bourgeoisie achieved through Theocratic MAGAtard Neoliberal Techno-Fascism, where the Bourgeoisie would of been the true Revolutionary Class, 😂🤣🤢🤮✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
>>2413556>mathematician>in thousands of years, no real world application foundBit dramatic today, aren't we
In seriousness, american science is being set back. The rest of the world can profit from this.
>>2413650the US government talking about aliens is the equivalent of dangling a set of keys in your face. if you're distracted its working
>>2413653some of the small islands are privately owned yes. makes it easy for revolutionaries to blockade
>>2412945>I'm excited = Estoy enojadaAt least she didn't say I'm aroused (excitada) lol
Stupid post nontheless
>>2413369like Tom Tanuki said in Brown Greek White Nazi, these idiots almost never live up to their own standards. So often neo-Nazis have been doxxed and turn out to be furries, 'race-mixers', homosexual, drug-addicts, obese, manlets or genetic dead-ends. These aren't funny exceptional outliers, this is most of them these days.
Purity spiraling can be dismissed by socialists for the idiocy it is, but these types of reactionaries are obliged to uphold the standards they preach.
>>2413720>gets adopted by extrovert who uses your own interests to make you come out of your shellthis will be very good for you actually if you don't fuck up and throw your friendship in the trash
>goes to imageboards, the cringiest people alive, to ask if real life org is cringe or notbeing in PSL is better than what 99% of people do so suck it up and go. Forget what the freaks on here think. They'd argue with a damn signpost if they could.
>>2413769Except the American military are all brainwashed automatons that exist to murder for the endless profits of the ruling class. They literally call their own training "indoctrination", so they don't even try to hide it.
There is no class consciousness inside the US military and there never will be. The only thing a babykiller is good for is digging it's own grave.
>>2413720The PSL is strictly legalist and so they are a dead end and not a Leninist party.
That said, they are less "cringe" than 90% of American "communists" and generally hold correct lines on most issues.
>>2413787Our task according to Iron Felix Thought:
>Destroy the country because it is irredeemable>by building an army out of a population the VAST (all caps) majority of which is gleefully willing fascist collaborators>not allowed to us people with military experience when building this army because they are 100% irredeemable and are only good for digging their own graves>forget about revolution in the USA, that's not even on the table until the USA is destroyed for the JDPON occupation>no plan for how to deal with the nuclear armed military and incredibly hostile population. Just vague hand-waving about repeating the tactics of uMkhonto Wesizwe and the North Vietnamese, even though they were operating in extremely different contexts, with civilian populations that were largely on their side, for the goal of liberating their own countries of colonial and apartheid occupation and rule rather than destroying their own country.Do I have that right?
>>2413787You realize that abusing and conditioning people makes them hate you right?
I think because of your abrasive style you may not realize that hurting people makes them hate you. But it is the case that people in the military generally radicalize because they hate their rapey power-tripping COs.
The intensity of the propaganda and abusive conditioning is evidence of resistance.
>>2413801People don’t emphasize the absurdity of protracted People’s war without civilian support enough. Like the most important part to any guerilla movement is civilian support; there’s this scene in some French Resistance movie where a guy is hiding from the Nazis and he has to pray that the barber who owns the shop he’s hiding in doesn’t rat him out.
Like even if you’re living in the mountains and taking potshots at cops, chances are people will still know you’re there, and if you do something serious enough and never even bothered to get their support they will 100% rat you out.
Literally guerilla war without support is just terrorism. It’s just doing Al Qaeda tier shit where you try to get a high score before you’re put down.
Also if we’re just irredeemably evil, third worldists fail to explain why we wouldn’t just nuke the planet as one final fuck you.
>>2413813See they wouldn’t even have to. Felix just openly hates the people and makes that explicit. It’d be like if you knew some ISIS guy was gonna set a bomb off on a crowded street, chances are you’d be actively seeking the cops out to report him.
And what’s the counterpoint “No you see, America MUST be destroyed!” Okay, that’s what the ISIS guys say. “America must be destroyed” means bombing our own country and killing civilians en masse for the vast majority of people.
>>2413798>>2413814Farmers are literally just agribusiness owners. One of the biggest psy ops in US histroy is calling land owners "farmers" as if they till the soil, sow the seeds, pick the crops, load the trucks, spread the manure, etc.
Video games and movies are especially guilty of perpetuating this perception.
>>2413801>Destroy the country because it is irredeemableAbsolutely, America MUST be destroyed. Even if it could be reformed (it can't), it shouldn't be.
>by building an army out of a population the VAST (all caps) majority of which is gleefully willing fascist collaboratorsYes, this is the material situation we face. We can expect MAYBE 20-30% support, and even that is a stretch. Still, there is no other option. This is the task history has given us, and if we fail it means human extinction. You are operating under an obsolete paradigm that does not have any relevance to America's material conditions. This is a majority petit-bourgeois country, and the petit-bourgeoisie is the MOST reactionary class.
Fortunately, there is hope. Hezbollah has been able to discredit, diminish and destroy the Lebanese government with about the same level of support.
>not allowed to us people with military experience when building this army because they are 100% irredeemable and are only good for digging their own gravesWhy would you allow fascist murderers in a Communist movement? I know you're a beefsteak and so you don't draw any distinction between the two, but I am an actual Communist and so I am an anti-fascist first. The only thing the murder bandits can do is dig their own graves.
>forget about revolution in the USA, that's not even on the table until the USA is destroyed for the JDPON occupationThere will be no "JDPON occupation", to think otherwise is a fantasy. The two giant oceans mean no one is coming to save us. This is why it's absolutely vital that we build a military force which can degrade, discredit and destroy the US government.
>no plan for how to deal with the nuclear armed military and incredibly hostile population. Just vague hand-waving about repeating the tactics of uMkhonto Wesizwe and the North Vietnamese, even though they were operating in extremely different contexts, with civilian populations that were largely on their side, for the goal of liberating their own countries of colonial and apartheid occupation and rule rather than destroying their own country.If America nukes itself, then we win. The goal is to destroy America, and nothing could destroy America more quickly than that.
>>2413821The DoD being the largest employer proves me right, not wrong. The vast majority of Americans have no problem living off blood money, just as long as the blood isn't theirs. Everyone who works for the DoD knows what they do. They fully understand the nature of imperialism, and they want only to benefit more from it.
>>2413812If this creature had done anything except watch movies it would know that the majority of the French population were collaborators and the resistance maybe had 10% of the population, at best, on their side. Yet, they still resisted because they were Communists, and that is our historical duty. I know no one in the "C"PUSA understands that.
>>2413903rapidly betraying the working class
>>2413904and yet are not responsible for even 30% of global food production. which I said in the post.
I repeat:
When bourgeois media or a capitalist government official says "we need to protect our farmers" they don't mean your mom and pop homesteaders even though that's what they want you to think they mean. They mean John McMoneyBags and his army of undocumented workers locked up in a shipping container at night. >>2413918a point I already made above
>>2413899<Even though they represent 98% of farms they are being increasingly bought out by large scale bourgeois agriculture and you can bet your bottom dollar that these farms are not who MSM or government is talking about when they say "farmers".The small scale farmers which make up the majority of farms own the minority of land and produce the minority of crops. Bourgeois media is never talking about them when they say "farmers." That's the point. They take advantage of the mental image of mom and pop yeomanry and use that to tug at everyone's heart strings as they push for further monopolization, deregulation, union busting, human trafficking, pollution, etc.
another funny thing about homesteaders is they don't even always own the land. Just because they live on it and farm it they're still paying a mortgage and can lose "their" land to a bank or even worse some homesteaders rent. From who? From the LAND OWNERS that big media keeps calling "farmers" which was the whole fucking point of the original post that started this asinine argument.
Someone (you?) said "lefties" are "retarded" for recognizing that a minority of land owners and their armies of undocumented and trafficked workers produce the majority of food. This remains true even though they own a minority of farms because these land owners own a majority of land. If I own 90 hectares of land in my county, and the other 1000 farmers in my county own 10 hectares of land, then that means I own a minority of the farms but a majority of the land. Make sense?
>>2413835>If America nukes itself, then we win. The goal is to destroy America, and nothing could destroy America more quickly than that. Except America wouldn't nuke itself, it would nuke everyone else because in the event of an internal revolution that threatens to overthrow the bourgeois dictatorship, it would immediately assume this movement is a 5th column for Russia China DPRK Iran or whatever and nuke THOSE countries. This would set off global thermonuclear war and make the planet uninhabitable for humans and animals. Nobody would win. Even in the event that only the US were nuked you do realize there is this thing called an "atmosphere" that would bring black carconigenic rain to all the continents, right?
>Yes, this is the material situation we face. We can expect MAYBE 20-30% support, and even that is a stretch. Still, there is no other option. Communism doesn't even have 1% support, let alone your particular "just destroy the country lol" brand of it. And then on top of that I'm not allowed ot use people who already have military training (or people friendly with them who have gotten civilian militia training through them)
this is a fantasy. i'm glad you joined a union because now you see that you're surrounded by normie bootlickers even when discussing the the 5-10% of the population that even bothers to get organized on a trade unionist level
>>2413835>If America nukes itself, then we win. The goal is to destroy America, and nothing could destroy America more quickly than that.
what if they resort to salted bombs in the stratosphere
there's really nothing that anyone has ready to deal with months long radioactive rainfall
>>2413951>>2413956Kind of weird he's avoiding the "America nukes the world" ending and thinks it'd just be contained to our borders. Like if there's some scenario where it's just "The JDPON is landing ships, America WILL pay for what it's done for the world!" Then just let the nukes fly everywhere if we're irredeemably evil. Africa, Asia, Europe, the whole world just gets glassed, no one survives.
Like America has almost 4k nukes, that's more than enough to destroy the world twice over. Shit, just nuking ourselves alone with our entire arsenal would probably throw up enough dust into the atmosphere to kill life on earth. Seriously, one of the huge blindspots of TWist ideology (of which there's many) is that MAD still exists. And if we're "irredeemably evil fascists that'd kill billions just for one funko pop" or whatever then once the treats are gone, why not hit the big red button?
Of course this is Felix we're talking about and he's got the profile of a mass shooter, so chances are going for the Hatred ending of "launch the nukes, kill everyone" is his fantasy.
>>2413960>Kind of weird he's avoiding the "America nukes the world" ending and thinks it'd just be contained to our borders. Like if there's some scenario where it's just "The JDPON is landing ships, America WILL pay for what it's done for the world!" slow down cowboy, he already corrected me on that one. he doesn't believe in JDPON. he believes that somehow,
<americans, despite being overwhelmingly unredeemable fascist collaborators, <will form an army of people with no formal military training, that explicitly excludes people with formal military training<and defeat the government and corporations and military holding the planet hostage with nukes <WITHOUT any outside JDPON help, <and without anyone outside of the country getting hurt <or nukes getting used in the process.but we're the delusional ones
>>2413966The whole vibe feels similar to faith healing parents slowly watching their kid die on the basis of "God will heal our child!"
Like anyone else getting that? This feels less like any kind of political program or desire for real change, and more some bizarre experiment where you play Russian roulette with someone to "see if God is real or not".
>>2413969Wasn't that Irish guy going on and on about how entitled Americans are for thinking the world revolves around them by… talking about America in the /USApol/ thread?
>>2413960While i do see felix as a deranged narciscist nutcase hurriedly typing vitriol on every thread in usa pol
Im not a fan of the argument that america is benevolent because it hasnt triggered a nuclear holocaust yet
>>2413835>Yet, they still resisted because they were Communists, and that is our historical duty. I know no one in the "C"PUSA understands that.Yet they still resisted with a viable political program, they got a many people as they could on their side if the french maqisards had a political program liek yours it would be "france needs to be destroyed for colonizing algeria, everyone help us fight the germans so after we win we can destroy ourselves as punnishment for our colonial empire," and then no one would have supported them and they would have accomplished less
>>2413971Oh I'm not saying America is "benevolent", far from it. At the end of the day self-interest and the desire to, y'know, not kill ourselves and the planet are the strongest locks on us using nukes willy-nilly. However Felix is basically saying we're all Nazi Germany when, let's be honest, if the Nazis had America's nuclear arsenal I'm 100% certain they would've just launched all the nukes when they were losing the war in some deranged Hitlerite Endiseg fantasy.
The fact that Felix is just openly saying "Yes, let's Holocaust ourselves" only makes the decision more stark: you want to die slowly in a death camp run by insane hateful psychos like Felix, or do you want to go out with one final fuck you to the people who want to death camp you?
>>2413980I'm also pretty sure Hezbollah doesn't, y'know, despise the people they're trying to recruit from. Like they were founded explicitly as a Shia party, they helped Shia refugees during the Israeli invasions. They have a people.
By contrast Felix is a self-loathing White American. He outright hates "his" people, shit he's joined a union now and all he can do is bitch that they talk about normal things people enjoy, like capeshit movies or sportsball. I think a better equivalent wouldn't be Hezbollah, but maybe some loner in Saudi Arabia saying "Mecca MUST be destroyed" to "free Arabs from Islamic superstition."
>>2413980Their goal is absolutely to destroy the Lebanese state, which should also be the goal of every American Communist worthy of the name.
The goal of Communism is, was and always will be smashing the bourgeois state machinery and replacing it with the dictatorship of the proletariat. This is leninism 101.
>>2413820Considering that ISIS is a CIA/Mossad front and the "org" Agent Felix claims to be a part of is almost certainly the FBI, that analogy is inadvertantly apt.
>>2413825>The capitalists can never automate away all labor because computer programming is itself a form of labor. Instead the world will be trapped in office worker hell where everyone makes extremely crappy HTML forms using extremely crappy AI generated templates. Your life will mostly consist of data entry and debugging AI generated shit code.That work is outsourced to places in Africa or South-East Asia. Instead, it'll either be various cop jobs or uberified dogshit.
>>2413988>slave labourI
love how the word "China" triggers the phrase "Slave labor" as thought these allegations against China haven't proven to be bullshit over and over again.
I know neoliberals suck but does this have any substance? What is your guys opinion? He is not a China le collapsing person in comments just appears to be real data
I genuinely am uninformed on this topic and would like to someone smarter than me to weigh in. Thank you
https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/1mfnj4c/local_chinese_planner_discovers_weird_hack_for/>>2413724>>2413793>>2413735>>2413776Reporting back from my attempted PSL outing, we showed up to the park the flier indicated and saw 5 people sitting in a circle on a picnic blanket. I exploited my friend’s hesitancy and social anxiety about the unexpected intimacy of the event and got him to bail. I told him I owe him one communist outing so I am now on the look for political stuff in our city that is less cringe.
>inb4 you are a bad communistI would never contest that
>>2414021Depends how you define nationalism. That said I honestly think that encouraging a "progressive white trash" identity could undermine the Right Wing.
Like class antagonism, funny enough, even shows up with the modern Neo-Nazis. I think Richard Spencer and that other guy, Heimbach, were both groomed by the "Charles Martel Society", which are all upper-class Whites, but apparently they pushed Spencer because they found the other guy "too lower class"
Expunge the whole racism element, try to redefine "white trash" as a progressive category that can be aligned with proles of other races. Just a thought.
>>2414031>>2414029Member when someone brought up that Felix came on a picture of Putin and he did the whole "lying without outright lying" thing of going all
>"Other people keep saying I did that, but curiously none of them have any proof!"Then someone posted the pic of the thread where he did the cum tribute.
>>2414036richard spencer envisions a WASP empire
while fuentes imagines a multi-ethnic empire
protestant vs catholic vision?
>>2414025>China is such a shit hole. I sure am glad I'm American.I too, am
glad to be free from having affordable healthcare, affordable inter-city/inter-state transit, science-based climate policy, safe infrastructure that isn't rusting, and affordable and plentiful housing. I
love the culture wars and platforming and protection of fascists. I am so glad we don't live under the tyranny of the "CCP" and that we get to live under the
benevolent rule of financiers and neo-reactionaries that want to enslave and exterminate the mast majority of humanity.
>BUT THAT'S NOT SOCIALISM!!!11If you do nothing for the people, then fuck your True Socialism.
>>2413960While you are right that Iron Felix is wrong to advocate for Infantile Adventurist Glowie Fedposting Retardation, due to the fact that while Maoist PPW is currently viable in the Material conditions of the Periphery/Semi-Periphery (as demonstrated by the ongoing Maoist PPWs in India, the Philippines, Turkey, and Peru), Maoist PPW will not be viable in the Material Conditions of the Imperial Core until World War III breaks out and/or Bourgeois Liberal Democracy is permanently suspended (these two events are connected and will probably happen around the same time), and I also find it interesting/concerning that Iron Felix never talks about the National Liberation of the Oppressed Nations/Internal Colonies of New Afrika, Aztlan, and the First Nations (it is almost like he fails to distinguish between these Revolutionary Oppressed Nation populations and the Petit Bourgeois/labor Aristocrat White Settler Majority, which is an additional massive error in his analysis), but I have to disagree with your stereotypical view of Nuclear War, which seems to come from outadated Cold War era Propaganda films meant to keep the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World cowering in fear of the Mushroom Cloud bogeyman, as the “Nuclear Winter” myth was created by the Neoliberal Crypto-Fascist Reagan and the Neoliberal Khrushchevite Revisionist Gorbachev to justify destroying the USSR and ending the Cold War under the phony pretext of stopping “Le Nuclear Apocalypse” which fooled many Proles worldwide into thinking this was to save them from “Le scary Mushroom Clouds”, when it was really designed to enrich the International Haute Bourgeoisie (which the Revisionist Khrushchevite Clique and the Dengist Capitalist Roader Clique happily joined at the expense of their Proles), and even if these unscientific “Nuclear Winter” propaganda studies had slight “Merit” in the 1980s when their were 70,000 Nuke (many with Multi-Megaton yield), they have Zero Merit today when the U$ only has ~1500 operational Nukes, and Russia supposedly has the same amount, but in reality over 90% of their “arsenal” dose not work due to a combination of corrupt mismanagement and the Nunn-Lugar agreement secretly mothballing the vast majority of their arsenal, while China only has ~500 Nukes, and the rest of the world has even less then that, so a modern Global Nuclear Exchange (primarily between the U$ and China) would only see ~1000-2000 Nukes used worldwide (primarily in North America, East Asia, Europe, the Middle East, and the Indian Subcontinent), which would not be enough to create any “Nuclear Winter”, but
the inevitable World War III between the U$ and China escalating into a Global Nuclear War will destroy the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System, thus allowing for a World Maoist PPW to create a Global USSR (The SSRs and SFSRs of the Global USSR are shown in the map I posted, and I plan on posting an improved version of this Map by the end of this month, which will finally divide Sub-Saharan Africa into an appropriate number of SSRs based on its Ethno-Linguistic demographics, which I have been thoroughly researching over the last few months) that will place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
>>2414108Pretty funny that King Lear, who is probably a literal schizophrenic, is still more realistic than "C"PUSAnon.
Strasserism rots your brain to the point of uselessness.
>>2414171That may be true, but it doesn’t take away the fact that the Material Conditions of the Imperial Core are still dramatically more comfortable then that of the Periphery/Semi-Periphery, with the caveat that the Oppressed Nations/Internal Colonies of New Afrika, Aztlan, and the First Nations, are living in Material Conditions closer to those of the Periphery/Semi-Periphery then the Petit Bourgeois/Labor Aristocrat White Settler majority, and that this combined with the highly advanced Security-Intelligence infrastructure of the emerging High-Tech Fascist Police State Panopticon that can only be destroyed by a Global Nuclear War is the reason that Maoist PPW will not be viable in the Material Conditions of the Imperial Core until World War III breaks out and/or Bourgeois Liberal Democracy is permanently suspended (these two events are connected and will probably happen around the same time), and the World Maoist PPW will not be successful until the inevitable World War III between the U$ and China escalates into a Global Nuclear War that will destroy the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System, thus allowing for a World Maoist PPW to create a Global USSR that will place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
>>2414152Thanks for the compliment Comrade Iron Felix, but what do you think of my In-Depth Dialectical Materialist Critique of your advocacy for Infantile Glowie Fedposting Adventurism, due to the aforementioned facts I posted above, along with the Interesting/Concerning fact that you never seem to discuss the National Liberation of the Oppressed Nations/Internal Colonies of New Afrika, Aztlan, and the First Nations, as it almost seems like you fail to distinguish between these Revolutionary Oppressed Nation Populations and the Petit Bourgeois/labor Aristocrat White Settler Majority, 🤔?
>>2414201>it's not the highestdidn't say it was the highest. said it was one of the highest
>average from each provincea completely different metric. i was going off the image I was being shown, nothing else
>>2414201True. Basically the question is whether or not the rate of debt payments keeps accelerating.
But tbh even if it does I'm not really sure it means anything. Wowie, they're being responsible and paying off their debt! This is, le bad.
>>2414243 (me)
And the Zionist majority, literally flees to NATO by the milllions.
>>2414202None of those groups can be freed until America is destroyed. They are potential allies in our struggle (although it is a mistake to assume they do not have their own reactionary sectors) but we can't speak of any independence for them as long as America continues to exist.
So the goal, as always, is to destroy America.
>>2414295Or, y'know, there'd just be the millionth ethnic cleansing because of esoteric conflicts in the third world, Muslims vs Christians, one tribe against another. There's this laughable idea that you've got armies that are a million strong in Africa or Malaysia and dedicated to international communism when the reality is you look at most of those conflicts out there and it's basically national, ethnic, and religious.
The Third World isn't some bomb primed to explode. America could disappear tomorrow and chances are you wouldn't see a bunch of countries go Communist, not overnight, hell not even in a decade.
>>2414287I would try to get between them and whoever they're trying to kidnap. Beyond that I'm not gonna post some Navy Seals copypasta like Felix.
>>2414254That might explain it.
>>2414299her point is that it's very hard to feign interest, views, ideologies, skills and what ideas hold their world and what are they really fighting for their lives, it's not difficult to find infiltrators, unless it's the top superorganization that will be infiltrated by top trained people, so organizations under so much counter-revolution culture can vet their members by continuously having deep interest with their members.
We would need to read an open explanation on how the Black Panther was infiltrated and see where they failed.
>>2414301have you suggested to them the possibility of losing their union status for the lack of organization? like a casual talking. the conversation starter can be anything, really, related to the union. but in general, you need to have genuine interest with them, reject apathy and doomerism.
>>2414309>>2414310>>2414320I've been at this job for three days. I think I need to get to know these people a little bit before I start trying to educate them.
Of course, unions in America (especially the AFL-CIA) are all constitutionally anti-communist and materially pro-regime so I doubt I'm going to get anywhere. The majority of union workers in America depend on the government for their job and so are not going to try to overthrow it.
Without a vanguard that's prepared to physically fight the state through both legal and illegal means it's all pointless anyway. Without that vanguard the unions will be nothing but economist in nature, fighting for more of the loot of imperialism in their pockets instead of trying to dismantle the system.
>>2414317You won't do shit.
>>2414018Center-right sees these people as useful idiots. They might be annoyed by them but there will be no divorce.
>>2414034Didn't have the guts to even say hello and then you ran away? Pathetic.
>>2414299>Sending actual undercovers is top level stuff. Most of what they do is have CIs (criminal informants). Weirdly (but it makes sense), I've seen them send interns (at least pretty sure) into groups. Like, young guys in criminal justice programs going for a graduate degree on track for a fed job and having them pose as an anarchist and trying to get in with the smashies.
>>2414320>her point is that it's very hard to feign interest, views, ideologies, skills and what ideas hold their world That's also true.
>>2414295exactly this. it would allow countries to begin experimenting with new political economies that suits their historical needs, as opposed to the one-size-fits-all western style liberalism that america forces on everyone
>>2414269straight up impossible to destroy a country of 350 million people, some form of existence will always be maintained here
>>2414320>her point is that it's very hard to feign interest, views, ideologies, skills and what ideas hold their world and what are they really fighting for their lives, it's not difficult to find infiltrators, unless it's the top superorganization that will be infiltrated by top trained people, so organizations under so much counter-revolution culture can vet their members by continuously having deep interest with their members. But that's just not true. Cops are very good at gaslighting people. Have you ever seen an interrogation? The spy cops in Britain were impregnating all the young leftist women and then they ran off after they had the baby. That's a good technique to fuck over leftists groups lol.
>We would need to read an open explanation on how the Black Panther was infiltrated and see where they failed.They made a movie about it and they interviewed the guy who was the CI so all the information is out there. WE don't need to read anything. YOU need to read. I gave you a summary explanation and a link to an article that could help you inform yourself more.
>>2414419One thing I agree with abundance guys on is just hating NIMBYs
>>2414421I think women marrying a rich/wealthy guy is just the female equivalent of "Me and my buddies will start a podcast and make millions."
>>2414429Wasn't there some poll that was like, most Chinese young people wanted to be things like Astronauts and Scientists, while Western young people wanted to be content creators? Dunno, I've used "Working Class dude nearing his 30s taking a gamble on content creation" as the butt of a joke in a few TTRPGs and stuff.
Point is, there are people out there who just record themselves soyfacing at Disney Trailers and make more than a guy working an honest job ever could. "I'll be a content creator" sounds like a similar "easy path to riches" thing as "I'll marry a rich guy."
>>2414497Yeah, exactly. The flaw of big tent parties is that inevitably you have two options: either the interests of the oppressing majority end up invalidating the interests of the oppressed minority to win elections, or the interests of the privileged minority end up consuming and cannibalizing the language of the oppressed majority for their own political ends, thereby creating resentment among the proles because every distinctive interest group is incapable of identifying when they're being coopted by the bourgeois and just misconstrue it as "we're finally entering the mainstream yay!!" even though no rights are actually being granted to anyone outside the bourgeois.
Many in the black community have started identifying this, that when Democrats and in particular wealthy white/jewish people speak about black issues it's literally only ever for the sake of winning elections and "bringing over" black people to their own special interest, like defending Israel, but never paying back their debt to the black community afterwards with any kind of political concessions.
It's incredibly frustrating seeing this unfold in real life: black people showing up to every major protest, every major civil rights event, forging social bonds with the other minorities in their local community, and feeling like things might actually improve. But in the end it's always just to serve the interests of wealthy white/jewish people and all that solidarity turns into nothing as some rich white person that went to Harvard gets elected to political office under the promise of building low income housing, creating drug rehab programs, etc and immediately pivots towards the center to only serve the interests of cops, zionists, and wealthy businessowners. Fuck AOC btw.
>>2414525>The reality is that organized crime is an counter-intelligence asset of the state. I was researching the Kerry Committee on the alleged CIA involvement with the Crack Epidemic, and one of the guys testifying, I guess giving background was saying that the CIA has always been involved with criminal organizations in all of the countries it operates in. They mentioned in Vietnam, and some other examples from like the 50s and 60s.
On a side note: I think the way people view the CIA-Crack thing is a little bit overblown from what I read. I do think the CIA was proven to be involved with abetting the Contra drug trade, but that was all for to support their fundraising. I think people kind of overestimate the cohesion and foresight, and planning that the government people have. They're all a bunch of narrow-minded cowboys. They're looking for personal glory in their endeavors, not big picture people.
Another thing too, is the black market allows them to keep lots of money completely off the books for their activities. They are also able to get lots of funding from confiscating black market money. Basically they can just tax the black market, to get funding that's not directed by congress at all. So it behooves them to have the black market exist and to be very profitable.
>>2414491>Jews consistently betrayed Black Americans throughout the Civil Rights movement and still do so today. … black people feeling betrayed by the DemocratsThis language of "betrayal" and "you owed us" is a whiny reactionary attitude and I don't like it. "You were supposed to stand for this." But politics is always in some process of change and evolution, as are the material conditions people respond to. I think the reality is that American Jews became turbo-liberals because they saw it as in THEIR interests. Always did. Because here in this country, they survived the 1940s thanks to American liberalism, and they concluded it was in their own interest to double down on liberalism-for-all because that would be better for Jews. I don't think it was insincere on their part. Politics usually comes to coalitions of various self-interested groups (i.e. struggles between classes, blocs, etc. that are constituted historically) that find it in their own particular interest to unite against a common enemy.
>>2414504>but never paying back their debt to the black community afterwards with any kind of political concessions.And they never will! Politics is about relationships of power in a power struggle. Leverage. Force. There's a lot of moralism about "a debt to the black community" but nobody
owes the black community
anything unless black people organize and put themselves into a position to extract it. Maybe this sort of rhetoric is useful as propaganda but as an analytical way of looking at politics it's totally backwards.
>>2414460My personal theory, in part at least, is to learn from Yakovlev:
>A group of true, not imaginary, reformers developed (orally, of course) the following plan: to strike at Stalin, at Stalinism, with Lenin’s authority. And then, if successful, to strike at Lenin with Plekhanov and social democracy, and at revolutionarism in general with liberalism and “moral socialism.”By that I mean, we destroy the American regime by turning the logic of the American ideology back on itself. However, what that looks like, at this point, I do not know, though I have some guesses and ideas. Appealing to national and local history and legends, that kind of thing.
>>2414555Yakovlev had serious power in the highest echelons of government, specifically empowered by the modern day Judas Iscariot who made it his mission to dismantle the state.
You do not.
You cannot change America from within, you can only smash it and replace it with something else entirely.
>>2414560How do you intend to do that while the hegemon maintains control of all it's organs? Your propaganda can never reach as far as theirs.
Yakovlev and other reformists had control of the central organs of power and were able to totally change the state's ideology from within by promoting people who were anti-Communist.
In order to do what Yakovlev did, you'd need to spend years as a dedicated Communist masquerading as a Capitalist. You would need to infiltrate the state en masse and start recruiting other Communists to run departments of the government, while using the authority of the state to strike back at anyone who resisted you.
What Gorbachev and Yakovlev did wasn't just winning some ideological battle for the soul of Soviet Communism, it was a legal coup followed by an intentional, planned dismantling of the state.
>>2414601idunno about that. the federal government is downright incompetent and only held up by the fact most americans are extremely lazy and apathetic. Thiel is probably intelligent enough to out-maneuver any government bureaucrat, and patient enough to only make his move to destroy the government when he's confident whatever replaces it will completely overpower the proles.
Also Americans have only gotten lazier and stupider over the past 30 years. I really doubt they'll do anything even when the libertarian death squads come to their door.
>>2414616>The nuclear arsenal doesn’t work, it’s a paper tiger, all the switches and floppy disks get corrupted like a gamecube memory card. MAD is not real, you can take them.I've seen them launch Tridents and shit.
It's funny people who are like Space and nukes and shit aren't real. I've seen a lot of space shit with my own eyes. I've seen the ISS fly over dozens and dozens of times. It's very bright and easy to see.
>>2414461The future Global USSR will launch a Worldwide Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution that will see all Religion outlawed, all Churches/Mosques/Synagogues/Temples/Pagodas etc. bulldozed, all Religious clothing banned, and all Priests/Ministers/Rabbis/Monks/Nuns/Imams etc. forced to wear Dunce Caps, attend Struggle Sessions, and get sent to Reeducation Camps, while all Bourgeois Capitalist Roader Revisionists, Liberals, and Fascists will also be forced to wear Dunce Caps, attend Struggle Sessions, and get sent to Reeducation Camps, and all Women will be forced to have extremely short hair (Pixie cut or shorter), and Dresses/Skirts and Makeup/lipstick are banned in order to liberate Women from the chains of Bourgeois Femininity/Domesticity, while everyone will be forced to wear Mao Suits (Capitalist Business suits are Banned as well), ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
>>2414681The hard part is the delivery system. The warheads themselves are easy. Russia just proved their MIRVs work on the battlefield for no other reason than to prove they aren't full of shit.
There is no counter to the MIRVs. All the anti missile shit is bullshit. You will get hit with the warheads.
>>2414676>That attitude is paralyzingThat's the point of MAD
>in politics one has to be at least a little delusional to ever put oneself in a position to achieve Sure a little delusional is one thing, but hoping all silos, submarines and nukes are out of commission all over the world is beyond "a little" delusional. Really all it takes is a handful of working nukes from each country armed with them to kill a couple hundred million mostly through starvation from disruption of agriculture. If more than a handful are still working it could be billions killed.
>>2414697> if the US government falls all those actors you mentioned aren’t going to be in any position to interveneAnd why is that? They are capitalist countries each with their own agendas.
>>2414702The best way to do it is convince large sections of the military to switch sides before they launch nukes.
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