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Previous thread: >>2361783


Revolution status?

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we love our left anticommunists don't we folks

They're debating the BBB but it's mostly just silent shuffling around interrupted by a few votes.

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>>2363321
SocDem on SocDem violence

>>2363324
How many dems are gonna vote in favor of the whole thing without a peep?

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>>2363317
Cooking

>>2363317

two more weeks

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https://www.thecut.com/article/supreme-court-birthright-citizenship-decision-explained.html

<If this decision does go into effect in 30 days, what will that mean for children born to non-U.S. citizens? What about children born to green-card holders or people who are in the U.S. on work or student visas?


>It depends on what state they’re in. If they’re in a state that sued to block the enforcement of the executive order, then in those states, they should be fine. Their children should be born under the cover of the citizenship clause — at least for the time being, that means they would be considered to be lawfully born United States citizens and they would be issued a birth certificate indicating that.


>In the states that are not under the cover of the injunctions, they’re going to have to figure out what type of documentation or process they’re going to require people to go under in order to either establish their status here and, in turn, determine the status of their child. If you’re in my home state of Indiana, injunctions don’t apply to you. It’s very complicated. This is the mess that is created when a device as helpful as an universal injunction is taken away.


<What happens if you are a person without legal status and you give birth in, let’s say, Indiana, since there’s no injunction that’s applicable there. Does that mean your child is stateless?


>From my understanding, it appears that the child is considered to take on the nationality of the parent — so if both parents were from Nicaragua, the child would likely be considered to be from Nicaragua. What happens after that is so up in the air. Unfortunately, it’s such a parade of horribleness that I’m afraid to even postulate about what could happen, because I don’t want to give anybody any ideas. It’s a scary time, and I pray that these questions can be resolved quickly — particularly the merit-based question about whether or not birthright citizenship is constitutional.

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>>2363258
>oh no elon please dont split the republican voooote we would be so owned
We need to do the same for the Democrats and move away from the two party system. Honestly what Musk is doing might ultimate make the right wing base larger. I don't see anything we would want to work with Musk and his party on besides green energy. Literally like the one agreeable position he has.

>>2363341
> Honestly what Musk is doing might ultimate make the right wing base larger.
why would it

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>>2363339
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/tucker-carlson-calls-iraqis-semiliterate-010955869.html

>“Iraq is a crappy place filled with a bunch of, you know, semiliterate primitive monkeys — that’s why it wasn’t worth invading,” Carlson told the shock jock in October 2008, according Media Matters.


>In 2006, Carlson told the radio show he had “zero sympathy” for Iraqis because they “don’t use toilet paper or forks,” adding that they should “just shut the f— up and obey” us.

>>2363339
regardless of what you think of Zohran it's been legitimately fucking insane seeing how mask off racist the entire political establishment has been over him winning the nomination. it feels like being in the 2000s again

>>2363343
Because he is making a second right wing party that may appeal to people that were not already Republican voters. Then they make a coalition with the Rs that was larger than the original R base.

is any participation in anything worth it anymore, or should I just rot to death as the world around me caves in?

>>2363349
I would choose rotting but I've never really done much in my life. I don't think there's much that can be done at this point but learn how to live in collapse or die. But I think I might be a treaterlite or something

>>2363346
Forks were considered an effeminate oriental affectation when they were introduced to Europe from the Byzantines…

>>2363348
>hen they make a coalition with the Rs that was larger than the original R base.
but isn't it pretty much impossible for third parties to thrive at any level of government?

I need to gtfo of here I need a job I need money I got banned from chan for not having any money. I get zero pussy because I have no money. I'm going to die if I don't have money. Like I need money

honkoid status?

>>2363349
The world will continue, whether the usa continues with it or not is a different story. Whatever you do remember that political power grows out of the barrel of gun, please don't learn this lesson the hard way dear anon.

>>2363355
>need a job
Good fucking luck, the job market in the US is DEAD .

>>2363330
They're not even going to bother filibustering. too cucked

>>2363360
That is not what people tell me. There's more jobs than there are people in this 1k town. It's 45 miles to a walmart like I'm going to die dude I am legit beyond fucked here

Money I need money. I'm going to die without money. I need a job like right now.

>>2363347
other high profile examples?

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Jesus Christ

>>2363362
Yeah, I'm lucky enough to live in the Northeast where everything is nice and dense due to being one of the original thirteen colonies, but unfortunately there's a lot of the US where there's this vicious cycle of:

need car to go to work -> need money to get car -> but can't get money without work -> but can't get work without car, and car requires money

>>2363367
President Porky. Ya, that maga communism worked out real well

>>2363368
It's hopeless I will kms in Minecraft if I don't make enough money to buy a house in 2 weeks

>>2363370
I don't think even in the boomer glory days anyone could buy a house in two weeks of working anon..

Bums are cuckolds I'm a cuckold nobody likes the guy who lives in a camp trailer running off extension chords

>>2363372
Then it's over

If you don't already have a job by now, you're never gonna have a job again. The market's locked out, and everything is only gonna get worse.
Prepare to die.

>>2363378
Way ahead of you buddy try to keep up

This uygha thinks this is a huge own when trump supporter evangelical churches will absolutely not support gay marriage

also stop following me i'm not your lolcow i'm not your autistic uyghur go back to /ptg/

fascist country

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>>2363367
Reading my Trump Bible with my Trump Fragrance "Victory 45-47" on with my MAGA hat wrapped in a "LET'S GO BRANDON" flag while eating a McDonalds meal.
Trvst the Q, this ritual consumerism will literally win life itself and spawn American Jesus.

>>2363383
You forgot that all the while you're on hold using your Trump Phone™

Revolution soon

>>2363383
Do not forget your trump shoes and trump watch

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>>2363383
There's apparently more than one version, which means a true supporter has to collect them all.
It even comes with a free statue of liberty bag.

>>2363367
what do the numbers mean?

>>2363357
Selling commodities

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>>2363389
45th and 47th president

>>2363378
Idk I was able to get a job 3 months ago, even if it's a part time min wage job.

>>2363378
>Prepare to die.
Liberalism. Prepare to kill instead.

>>2363378
Guess I'll die

>>2363352
well most retarded supremacists have a metaphysical understanding of their own culture. you have to remind these people on a regular basis that they were using an incredibly retarded number system that didn't even have place values until the "jeets" gave them base 10 digits.

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This man makes $174k a year and that's not even counting all the extra perks

>>2363393
it's 45 miles to the nearest walmart I live in middle America.

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>>2363397
I don't know why everyone is shitting on him, he's funny. He should waste more public resources doing stupid shit for the accelerationism.


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Give Fetterman the weed and watch the multipolar magic do its thing.
His support of Israel is just accelerating the American Empire's collapse.
Mamdami is trying to save the US and reform it.
Fetterman is greater than Mamdami because he's more anti-zionist than Mamdami because the zionist state relies on the US and Fetterman is working to undermine the US while Mamdami is trying to redeem it, thus spoken Mamdmai is a zionist and Fetterman is a global south Q patriot.

>>2363403
Fetterman wants Israel to bomb Iran to provoke the multipolar powers to bomb America.
Fetterman is more progressive than Mamdami who is trying to do damage control.

one day you will finally find peace from yourself


What if everyone in congress smoked weed

Would we be closer to communism then or what

>>2363408
not sure


>>2363408
It would help a lot.
It's a bit like asking "would a knight rescue the princess from the castle faster if he had a sword"? It would be helpful if he did.

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This is historically progressive, we need BIG BOOMS

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Fox news brought on Eric Adams for a interview about Mamdani today lol

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>>2363420
Mfers on this site call my uygha AJ a "zionist" for "not condemning Israel" while he says he doesn't give a shit about Israel or Israelis while they're drooling and cumming themselves over this succdem mf who literally talks about "caring about Israelis".

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>>2363414
wrong thread
>>>/isg/

>>2363321
fuckin' conman. he enjoyed trip after trip on the 20th century to the USSR. He knew about all the love the USSR had with Stalin, he visited Brezhnev's USSR who redeemed Stalin's symbol and image. he was never a USSR's friend.
fucking anticommunist.

>Survivor of Mao's Cultural Revolution Xi Van Fleet issues a warning to Americans about New York City's Democratic socialist candidate for mayor on 'The Ingraham Angle

"He is more than just typical woke Marxist that focused on identity politics, dei and oppressor oppressed narrative. He is a full fledged communist. He said seize means of production. That means abolish private property, state take over business, land, capital and resources. Government owned grocery stores is ration, long lines and lack of food. I escaped that world I came here for freedom. If America falls we have no place to go. I am glad president trump sees thru it and calls him a communist. He is a communist. Capitalism can't guarantee everyone will be wealthy but communist guarantees we are all poor and that's what I experienced in China"

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6375071827112

>>2363427
has this bitch seen china recently?

>>2363427
Okay who was she in China then

>>2363339
using your hands is woke

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>>2363339
haha sure am glad white people don't eat grain with their hands

>>2363431
THAT BITCH NEEDS TO LEARN TO SPEAK ENGLISH.

>>2363393
>Idk I was able to get a job 3 months ago, even if it's a part time min wage job.
That's not really a job then. That's just a gig. If you can't afford rent+food+transportation at the very least, that's not really a job. That's not to mention healthcare, or god forbid you reproduce and have to pay for childcare and all that.

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Iowa Republican governor and trump ally ordering review of anti-semitism in colleges.

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>>2363339
IF HE WON'T USE THE FORK! YOU MUST DEPORT!

>>2363438
Brandon Gill is married to Dinesh Dsouza Indian daughter

>>2363438
du'nt use the fork; du'nt eat the pork, what do ya do, jack?

>>2363400
How long until she calls him a dirty uyghur?
I swear, the sheer amount of hysterical racism unleashed by his victory is astounding, and hopefully eye-opening to anyone still on the fence in these matters.

>>2363438
Pavlou is a neo-nazi-promoting lolcow, but they may have broken-clocked this post with the performative political marketing. I am too whocares to look at the context and see if the rice pic is a "when in Rome, do as Romans do" situation of respect or just a "hey i have a culture!" stunt, but like, this is propaganda 101 - know your audience. This isn't unique or even rare, this is normal politician behavior.

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>>2363440
>Brandon Gill is married to Dinesh Dsouza Indian daughter
Lol.

<D'Souza dated fellow conservatives Laura Ingraham and Ann Coulter prior to meeting Dixie Brubaker while working at the White House. D'Souza and Brubaker married in 1992.[29] They have one daughter, Danielle D'Souza Gill, who is a writer and a member of the Women for Trump Coalition.


D'Souza really cleaning up with the Fox blondes. WTF? I thought Anne Coulter wouldn't vote for Ramaswamy because he's Indian but she'll date an Indian? What a funny character.

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>>2363445
In case you didn't see the Ramaswamy clip.

>>2363445
I wonder if The Boondocks was right about Anne Coulter.
[context: backstage after an ongoing series of on-air "debates" (arguments) between Coulter and Rev. Goodlove over black people and the n-word]

>>2363438
the thing on the left isn't rice

>>2363457
Yeah, he said a burrito.

>>2363438
Bro should have eaten the rice with a tortilla if he wanted to secure the Hispanic vote.

Team Trump Is Serious About Unleashing the Espionage Act on the Media

In the months leading up to his second presidency, Trump and several of his advisers and close allies talked about novel ways the Espionage Act could be unleashed not just against government leakers and whistleblowers, but against media outlets that received classified or highly sensitive information, according to two sources involved with such conversations with Trump.

“Why not the press?” Trump has said, one of the sources relays, when commenting on how, in his mind, it makes absolutely no sense that the law has traditionally been used to prosecute leakers but not journalists who publish confidential national security disclosures.

In recent days, amid a prolonged meltdown over the intel leak about the strikes against Iran to outlets like CNN and The New York Times, the president has privately brought up using the Espionage Act on reporters again, according to one of the sources and also a senior Trump administration official.

The president’s lieutenants are listening, and — per the administration official — looking for the right case to launch their “maiden voyage” of an unprecedented type of Espionage Act prosecution — one which would also serve to broadly intimidate news organizations when it comes to publishing classified government information or protecting the identities of their confidential sources.

Republicans close to Trump stress that administration brass at the Justice Department, White House, and elsewhere are actively on the lookout for a test case of a leak that could be used to file criminal charges against American reporters and their publications as supposed “co-conspirators.”

“All we’d really need is one text or email from a reporter telling a source: ‘Can you pull something for me?’ or something very direct of that nature,” the senior Trump official says. “If somebody in the media wasn’t careful even for a split second, that could make the difference between a reporter, and a criminal.”

When asked for comment on the administration potentially using the Espionage Act against leakers and journalists, Anna Kelly, a spokesperson for the White House, provided a statement to Rolling Stone: “Leaking classified information is a crime, and anyone who threatens American national security in this manner should be held accountable.”

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/espionage-act-team-trump-plan-media-1235376198/

>>2363427
Shit, don't make me like him even more.

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Why are you americans letting big pharma poison you with toxic bullshit? When will we get a luigi for pharma?


>>2363464
>dvde trvst me

>>2363464
Oh yay, can't wait for the vaccine bans and dead children!

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What will you do when the Orange Man strips you of your citizenship for posting on leftypol?

>>2363470
I'm not worried, I know for certain that when they come for me the revolution will finally happen and everyone will save me… right?

>>2363459
we don't eat rice like that…

>>2363473
Sorry bub, your only chance is finding your very own self defense revolutionary catgirl

>>2363465
Odd that Israel is trying to play the “protect our community” stuff when we’ve got a president and political party entirely predicated on “fuck everyone who ain’t me”

>>2363470
As long as I don't have to pay for the flight.

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>When Trump deports all Black people to Liberia.

>>2363479
Well that escalated quickly, God. What's next, those born here?

>>2363465
More Jews have died in America because of classic right-wing antisemitism, the same antisemitism that led to the Holocaust and the genocide of Argentinian Jews in the Dirty War (supported by Israel by the way), than by "left-wing" "antisemitism," which now has a death total of 3. 3! Nazis have killed far more Jews than that in the last decade alone!

>>2363481
You must have missed it, they're currently trying to eliminate birthright citizenship.

>>2363459
There are no Mexicans in NYC. Bro should do a Collab with Bad Bunny and grant citizenship to all Puerto Ricans if he really wants the Latinx vote.


‘Shark Tank’ investor Kevin O’Leary discusses how Zohran Mamdani's politics would be a ‘nightmare’ for America on ‘The Ingraham Angle

"He is the essence of the American nightmare. Everyone is going to leave New York if he wins. We all know it's going to happen. He has a nightmare vision for capitalist. If you read atlas shrugged, look at the Soviet union or North Korea you know this dosen't work."

"The guy has zero chance of success from a policy perspective. His crazy stuff dosen't last. He's a crazy chicken."

>>2363481
Yup, they ended birthright citizenship with Friday's Supreme Court to be replaced with, idk, something about blood and soil or maybe loyalty to Trump it's not clear yet. But you can have your citizenship revoked for being too woke now.

>>2363486
Puerto Ricans are already American citizens.

>>2363490
Not for long

>>2363469
>>2363466
Why are leftists such pharma dicksuckers? You know that the polio vaccine didn't even work properly and certainly did not "eradicate polio".
>What's with leftists and being mindless obedient dogs to the medical establishment?
>inb4 getting banned

>>2363488
This guy should just kill himself already. Mister bootstraps motherfucker. Let's be honest, the more rich porkies badmouth mamdani for the grocery stores, the more people will support that policy out of spite. Nobody likes these finance bros. Not even finance bros like finance bros.

>>2363492
TRVKE, they're all SOROS PAID to SHILL

>>2363492
I'm not arguing with big pharma lying, I'm saying that the assertion that a hepatitis vaccine increases the risk of autism by over 1000%(!) is insane.

>>2363474
Didn't ask for your opinion.

Any advice for organizing a bunch of IT workers who seem to be either largely "apolitical" or just outright Trump supporters?

>>2363499
Are they paid alright? Are working conditions fine?


>>2363492
>and certainly did not "eradicate polio".
so what eradicated polio in most countries outside pakistan and nigeria until recently?

>>2363500
Pay is probably better than other entry-level jobs in the area but still might just start at $15. Working conditions aren't dangerous of course but there might be some changes that could be made.

The Rent Guidelines Board approved increases of at least 3 percent for New York City’s one million rent-stabilized apartments, rejecting the call for a rent freeze that helped Assemblyman Zohran Mamdani surge to the lead in the Democratic mayoral primary last week.

Mayor Eric Adams, who appointed the members of the board, has supported rent increases for rent-stabilized apartments every year since he took office. Mr. Mamdani, likely to be the Democratic nominee facing him in the general election in November, has promised not to do the same if he becomes mayor.

As the city faces linked affordability and housing crises, the contrast between Mr. Mamdani and Mr. Adams added a new layer of tension to the board’s decision.

On Monday night, the board, in a 5-to-4 vote, approved 3 percent increases for one-year leases and 4.5 percent increases for two-year leases. The votes against the increases came from the two members on the board representing landlords, who had wanted higher increases, and the two members representing tenants, who wanted a rent freeze.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/30/nyregion/nyc-mamdani-adams-rent-increase.html

>>2363502
Vaccines don't magically eradicate viruses

>>2363408
>>2363411
Congress has no real power except what the bourgeoisie lets them pretend. Even if weed magically made Congress communist then the executive would declare martial law to "restore the constitution" and get rid of them.

>>2363465
>Israel is stealing American money!
There you go. No need to give an essay about the "true meaning" of genocide, apartheid and colonialism. Just mention the 100s of billions Israel scams to normal Americans and watch these Zionists spurge out.

>>2363488
It's pathetic these people let him pretend he's some billionaire. He barely got 10 million out of the Learning Company decades ago and every business he make fails. He's been coasting off Shark Tank for years.

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>>2363496
What if it does? You know that babies get the hep vaccine along with dozens of others. We are way more overvaccinated than even 30 years ago.

>>2363502
>nigeria
>pakistan
Notice how it's countries with poor health infrastructure. Increased nutrition, general health practices "eradicated" polio. Oh and btw, all the modern polio cases come from being exposed to the reactivated viruses from the vaccines usually from poorly filtered sewage water.

Also, I feel like there will be a false flag on 4th of july for a war in Iran.

>>2363427
>He said seize means of production. muh gommunism no food north korea mao vuvuzela
woah, can a city mayor actually stm? mfw winning a mayoral election was all we had to do…

>>2363488
He's half right.
His policies will likely fail because he's going to be blocked at every turn unless he does a lot of political maneuvering to force them through and then get called a "dictator".

>>2363464
id rather have the tism than hep b tbh

>>2363510
Ironically Mamdani could probably take a few lessons from the current Trump administration if he has to go the "dictator" route. He's basically laying the groundwork for him.

>>2363510
Let's be fucking real here. The only communist mamdani will emulate is Allende.
He will start as Allende, he will run as Allende and most likely he will die as Allende where Cuomo will become Pinochet.
I for one don't give a shit about commies but I can already hear Haz al Din say mamdani is a fed. And Haz was almost never wrong. So if the maronite ᴉuᴉlossnW says mamdani is a fed, I beliebe him.
Qué

>>2363512
You won't get hep as a baby. Not unless you are on epstein island or in amsterdam or some shit.

>>2363508
>Increased nutrition, general health practices "eradicated" polio.
countries with poorer nutrition and even worse health infrastructure such as CAR or somalia don't have polio.
polio is endemic to nigeria and pakistan due to spotty vaccine coverage and as vaccination rates go down in america it will eventually come back like measles did.

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Gentlemen, I figured out how we can push communism in burgerland.
>Communist policy positions
>Call it "Capitalism"
>Invoke 1776 and founding fathers.

>>2363519
I just make fun of them for blindly trusting what their schools and the media call "Communism"

Disgusting comments by government shills


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>>2363518
>Still has polio.
Dude, Polio can be handled by the body itself. And I don't buy the PPS nonsense because it has similar symptoms to asbestos poisoning.

>>2363518
You know their only goal is to waste your time right? Trying to engage in good faith debate is only giving the impression that there's a worthwhile argument to be had to any uneducated fence sitting passerby.

>>2363526
The argument is simple. Too much vaccinating does not help.
>inb4 but muh sankara
Even socialist countries got their science from the west. That was what the whole Lysenko/Vavilov spat was about. Even china fell for the malthusian bullshit about population control. Had china not listened to the club of rome and just stuck to the 2 child policy, it would not have any demographic problems. Western science has its roots in religious mysticism and eugenics.

>>2363503
If you don't mind telling, is this for a managed service provider or the IT department of a company

>>2363528
Fuck off and take your anti-scientific derailing bullshit back to /pol/. You already outed yourself as not being leftist here >>2363492

>>2363530
This is basically call center work, phone based technical support for a local ISP.

Zohran Advisor: How We Beat the Cuomo Machine

Democratic strategist Rebecca Katz joins Lauren Egan to discuss how she helped Zohran Mamdani win New York City’s mayoral primary by tapping into voter frustrations with clear, relatable messaging on affordability.

https://www.thebulwark.com/p/zohran-advisor-how-we-beat-the-cuomo

Idk anything about this woman but this is a never trump conservative outlet she interviewed on so I assume she moderates her take for it

>>2363531
>anti-scientific derailing bullshit back to /pol/.
>anti-scientific
NTA but so are these fucking flags and yet they're allowed

>>2363427
I love Xi Van Fleet. She's one of my top right-wing influencers along with Laura Loomer for the completely unmedicated brain damage.

>>2363540
>sandinismo is… le bad

>>2363542
Yes christian nationalists, not even ML anymore, why would they be good?

>>2363544
you're literally retarded

>>2363522
>anti-Sunni propaganda
Can you imagine being a proud Sunni right now? Might as well call it Judaism+ at this point. SAD!

>>2363525
Theoretically if we gave every anti-vacciner a shot of rabies and then offered them the rabies vaccine right afterwards how many would stick to their principles and refuse?

I am made for BBC

>>2363541
Update on Laura loomer. First pic is total cognitive dissonance for a normal human but to her only Jewish people are human so she doesn't see it

Here are the most unhinged Laura loomer tweets I can find of the past 48 hours. She's always got something absolutely insane

>>2363546
Lol, lmao even.

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>>2363531
Go back to plebbit with your "soyence".
>picrel was made by a communist

>>2363547
>Theoretically if we gave every anti-vacciner a shot of rabies and then offered them the rabies vaccine right afterwards how many would stick to their principles and refuse?
I don't think anti vaxxers would let you jab them with rabies. Now, if they lived in the Andes, this might work actually.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/vampire-bats-protect-rabies/

>>2363551
>wikifedia

>>2363552
>Amazon.
Sorry. I was vaccinated when I was a midget, now I have turbo autism and political schizophrenia.

>>2363546
>A hippie christian commune… but nationalist
Such science wow, much Marx

>>2363555
>hippie
are you an actual reagan voter from way back then? the fuck

>>2363420
>WHY WONT HE DISAVOW THE GLOBAL INTIFADA!
Because Americans dont even know what that means or care lol

>>2363556
From your rants about marijuana, I assumed you were

>>2363558
>druggie
>calls sandinistas hippies like he's in a reagan campaign ad
it makes sense, your brain melted

>>2363499
IT workers are not proletarians. I don't give class enemies advice

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>>2363563
Marx knew coffee shop workers are not part of the proletariat

Pic related is marx writing

>>2363552
>I don't think anti vaxxers would let you jab them with rabies.
That's why I prefaced the idea with "theoretically." I was simply wondering if people who opposed vaccines were bitten by a dog confirmed to have with rabies if they would take the rabies vaccine or not.
>the Andes
Interesting article. But most people do not live in the Andes.

>>2363563
Many are wannabe bourgeoisie but most will not get close. They work for a wage, they are prole. Their narcissistic delusions of grandeur changes nothing.
>>2363564
House slaves are still slaves. Privileged proles are still proles.

>>2363568
>That's why I prefaced the idea with "theoretically." I was simply wondering if people who opposed vaccines were bitten by a dog confirmed to have with rabies if they would take the rabies vaccine or not.

There were a lot of people dying of covid, if I recall, that asked for the vaccine after they refused it and crossed the point of no return. That said I've also heard of people being told point-blank their teeth were gonna fall out if they didn't get flouride treatment only to respond with constantly saying "I don't believe in flouride, though."

>>2363569
the capitalist water is poisoned with the fluoride. Communist Countries like China do not add fluoride into their water supply due to dental fluorosis.

>>2363569
>fluoride
Funny thing, if you understood how fluoride worked you also would not believe in fluoride. You would believe in CALCIUM

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK587342/

>>2363569
>burger
>fluoride
keeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek

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>>2363574
>>2363571
>>2363570
>>2363573
Unironically I'd seen the same dentist since I was a little kid and got pretty frequent fluoride treatments; never had a cavity and never needed anything beyond basic cleaning. I'd only brush my teeth once a day and I frequently forget to floss. I'm pro-fluoride if ever there was one.

Also tangentially related but I knew a bunch of people growing up who were "afraid" of the dentist, and to me that didn't make sense. I was afraid of doctors because it seemed like no matter what you did, they'd jab you full of needles and suck your blood out. With dentists all you had to do was brush your fucking teeth and you'd be fine.

>>2363499
Some of the idealists might be into free software?

>>2363575
And I know lots of people who got fluoride treatments and got cavities, and a lot of people who never got one and never got cavities.

>>2363575
there's fluoride in the toothpaste, why would it be in water and milk and whatever? do you honestly believe they're looking out for your teeth or whatever?

>>2363569
I think the difference between the two is that covid comes with a lot of pain people want to relieve. People have a really hard time imagining and preventing future pain like with tooth loss prevention.
>>2363571
I know you're really hoping nobody actually checks your link but the whole thing goes in depth refuting what you're saying in the post.

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>>2363573
No Communist national fluoridates their national water supply. Capitalists do this because the poison is cheaper than a dentist. Communist nations actually remove the fluoride from the water. https://www.fluorideresearch.org/351/files/FJ2002_v35_n1_p1-4.pdf#:~:text=SUMMARY%3A%20Water%20fluoridation%20in%20China%20began%20in%201964,with%20only%20a%20marginal%20decrease%20in%20dental%20caries.
>>2363575
water poisoning is among the greatest problem the proletarian faces >>2363578 its for burgers who are too fucking lazy to brush their teeth. they poison themselves en masse from their laziness. look at the map water fluoridation is capitalist endemic

whatever…. it's pointless, i'll just get that fluoride stare back as a reply…….

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do you want to smell like America is great again? Best cologne ever, I smell like alpha male, big male, always great male. And women, too, they can smell like you've grabbed them by the pussy. great America, great again!

>>2363584
>using my trump phone
>see ad on trump social media
>it's for trump perfume
>go buy it on trump store
>pay with trump crypto coin

>fluoride discussion
>of course burgers are defending it.
man, gotta love the lead generation getting replaced by the fluoride generation.

>>2363586
I drink a fuckton of water, so why hasn't the fluoride killed me, huh?

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Also stop using a plastic toothbrush. Yeah, yeah, I say as I grip a plastic mouse all day, but every little bit helps and it's an easy switch to make.

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>>2363587
the capitalists dont want to kill you. their poisoned capitalist water gives you bone and joint deformities and neurological disorders

>>2363582
>Communist nations actually remove the fluoride from the water.
<"every province in China has areas that are afflicted with endemic fluorosis"
you are an illiterate NPC who can't even read the first sentence of the science research you pretend to believe in.
>water poisoning is among the greatest problem the proletarian faces
<"0.7 mg/L is the greatest threat, we need 0.5 mg/L"
like Democrats trying to scrape away at the smallest of margins lmao
>too fucking lazy to brush their teeth.
Neoliberals: "if you're dying homeless in the streets, you've MADE THE WRONG CHOICES and deserve to die" (zero historical materialist critiques of political economy)
degenerate RFK leftoids: (the same neoliberal ideology but more smug and pretentious somehow)
>>2363584
getting a contact allergy from deadly chemicals that should never be applied to skin to own the libs

>>2363582
If you absolutely need extra fluoride to fix your teeth just use OTC fluoride mouthwash and then spit it out.

>>2363583
>tfw you are red pilling normies at the local Walmart about the reptilian Illuminati loosh farm and they just give you the fluoride stare.

>>2363586
We're the "micro plastics in our balls" generation actually

When the internet sends people here, they're not sending their best.

>>2363586
okay. the studies that say fluoride could affect brain development were done with levels several times higher than what anyone drinks

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https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-01938-8
>From 1 July, researchers funded by the US National Institutes of Health (NIH) will be required to make their scientific papers available to read for free as soon as they are published in a peer-reviewed journal. That’s according to the agency’s latest public-access policy, aimed at making federally funded research accessible to taxpayers.

>Established under former US president Joe Biden, the policy was originally set to take effect on 31 December for all US agencies, but the administration of Biden’s successor, Donald Trump, has accelerated its implementation for the NIH, a move that has surprised some scholars. That’s because, although the Trump team has declared itself a defender of taxpayer dollars, it has also targeted programmes and research projects focused on equity and inclusion for elimination. And one of the policy’s main goals is to ensure equitable access to federally funded research.

>>2363590
thank you anon I'll make it a point to buy some non plastic brushes soon

>>2363598
ONE STRUGGLE

>>2363598
training data?


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Trump is literally going to die of jewcum overdose

This is a letter by trump yesterday

>>2363544
>>2363546
>>2363551
fsln where based when they where christian socialists instead of what they have become

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>>2363605
The First Step Act was one of the only good things he did in his first term. So these are actually based Jews. I don't know why Jews are the only ones he will listen to but it's still good.

https://www.aclu.org/news/smart-justice/how-first-step-act-moves-criminal-justice-reform-forward

>It’s not often that you’ll find the ACLU on the same side of an issue as President Donald Trump.


>But in the waning days of the 115th Congress, lawmakers have the rare opportunity to show bipartisanship isn’t completely dead. For months, advocates and lawmakers have worked together to craft a criminal justice reform bill, known as the FIRST STEP Act, that enjoys broad support from the White House and members of Congress in both parties.


https://www.lubavitch.com/prison-reform-summit-brings-together-350-leaders-in-criminal-justice-system/

>Three hundred and fifty people gathered together this week at Columbia Law School for Rewriting the Sentence, a two-day, high-level summit on alternatives to incarceration. A project of the Aleph Institute, with a broad array of leaders and partners from the ACLU to the American Conservative Union Foundation, the Center for Court Innovation to Right on Crime, the summit highlighted the range of non-custodial alternatives to disposing of criminal cases presently available in the U.S. and abroad, and the challenges to expanding the reach of these programs to a greater proportion of cases. Participants worked to identify cultural and political shifts in sentencing practices and evaluate the efficacy of incarceration alternatives.


There was this clip of Vance going around that people claimed was from the RNC but it was actually for this other Orthodox Jewish org doing a criminal justice reform fundraiser.
https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/video-does-not-show-hasidic-singer-perform-rnc-celebration-jd-vance-2024-07-16/

>The channel said in an email that the video shows a Feb. 25, 2024, event held in honor of Rabbi Moshe Margaretten of the Tzedek Association, opens new tab , a Jewish organization that focuses on criminal justice issues. The event was attended by “over 1,000 attendees and bipartisan attendance of members of Congress.” The singer Shulem a week later posted photos of him with lawmakers including Vance, opens new tab and Democratic Senator Cory Booker

, opens new tab at the event.
>From timestamp 04:36 to 05:51, Vance speaks about the importance of supporting formerly incarcerated people.

>>2363609
Or maybe I should say they are based on that one issue which he mentioned in the letter. I know I'm going to look into them more and here some horrible stuff.

>>2363607
Ortega dropped Liberation Theology to become generic evil evangeliKKKal from Latinx America.

>>2363592
The capitalist fluoride endemic is rotting your goddamn brain. The Communist States take every step to protect the People from capitalist water poisoning. Any poison at certain does becomes tolerable yet still of effect. The Communists remove the poison from the water, but capitalists add the poison to it.
>>2363597
Thats what the capitalist studies are designed for you to think.

>>2363578
>And I know lots of people who got fluoride treatments and got cavities, and a lot of people who never got one and never got cavities.
Drinking hard water with lots of dissolved minerals like calcium and magnesium is the way to go. Turns your teeth into rock. My mother is from Amarillo and she grew up drinking that stuff, and she basically doesn't have to go to the dentist ever.

249 lmao. Raping his cult

>>2363615
Can you rape the willing?

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>>2363605
>>2363609
>>2363610
>I know I'm going to look into them more and here some horrible stuff.
Let's go.

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/03/18/722099/dissecting-ultra-zionist-cult-chabad-complicity-genocide-gaza
Dissecting the ultra-Zionist cult Chabad and its complicity in genocide in Gaza

>In December last year, in the town of Beit Hanun in northern Gaza, a Jewish religious outpost was established in a partially destroyed building. It was described as the ‘first Chabad House’ in the besieged, war-ravaged Palestinian territory.


>Chabad is an ultra-orthodox Jewish cult. It has many adherents in the genocidal Israeli occupation forces. Many of them wear Chabad patches on their uniforms. Here is a Zionist tank flying the distinctive Chabad flag in Gaza.


>In addition, there are also Chabad Rabbis attached to the Israeli occupation forces. One notes that the genocide is actually about “rooting out evil”. Here two Chabad Rabbis erected the Jewish religious symbol, the Menorah, in Gaza.


>But what is Chabad? It styles itself as a friendly outgoing Jewish movement dedicated to helping Jews reconnect with Judaism. However, in reality, it is a supremacist, hate-mongering Zionist cult.


>In the past it was anti-Zionist, but back then, even as far back as 1929, its adherents in Al Khalil (or Hebron as it is called by Zionists) were involved in spying on the Palestinians for the Haganah terror militia as well as storing weapons for them.


>Chabad is now so ultra-Zionist that it called in December for Gaza to be recolonized with Jewish settlers. Worse, Israeli newspaper Haaretz reports, its adherents believe - as laid out in the Tanya, Chabad’s key religious text - gentiles have only animal souls, not human souls.


>In January, the Tanya was printed out by the Israeli occupation forces in Gaza. This supremacism is carried over into its attitude to the Palestinians.


>Followers of a Chabad Rabbi Yitzchak Ginsburgh are known as the ‘hilltop youth’. Two of his followers wrote the hugely controversial King Torah, which was also recommended by Ginsburg.


>The book states that it is permissible to kill Palestinian children, including babies.


>“There is justification for killing babies if it is clear that they will grow up to harm us, and in such a situation they may be harmed deliberately, and not only during combat with adults.”


>Ginsburg was even detained by police over his promotion of the book.


>It’s not just words. Ginsburg’s followers in the so-called ‘Hilltop Youth’ are said by the Zionist intelligence agency Shin Bet to be responsible for most ‘price tag’ revenge attacks on Palestinians in the occupied West Bank.


>In 1988, Israeli regime premier Benjamin Netanyahu famously met with the leader of Chabad in New York where the notorious Zionist cult has its global headquarters.


>Netanyahu has maintained a strong relationship with Chabad ever since. Here he is seen addressing them at an event in 2014.


>These are the forces – supported and aided by the United States and the United Kingdom - unleashed as part of the genocidal war against Palestinians in Gaza.


>In December, it was revealed that a Chabad group in the UK was fundraising to support the ongoing genocide in Gaza, which has already claimed the lives of more than 31,700 Palestinians, 70 percent of them children and women, since October 7.


>Rabbi Aryeh Sufrin of Chabad claimed back in October that the Hamas resistance movement is “worse than ISIS (Daesh)” in full conformity with Zionist entity talking points. He also disclosed that his son is a British recruit to the occupation forces and was in occupied Palestine at the time.


>The Chabad appeal read “Vital equipment needed by the IDF… Funds raised will go directly to equipment needed by Aron DovSufrin’s reserve unit, up in the North of Israel, and Support Units.”


>Aron DovShufrin is of course the son of the Rabbi, serving actively in the genocidal occupation forces.


>Chabad-Lubavitch is an ultra-orthodox Hasidic sect that also happens to be a Zionist supremacist and genocidal cult. It originates in Liubavichi in Russia near the border with Belarus and is a global movement with more than 5,000 offices in over 100 countries and in all 50 states of the US.


>he cult even has offices in seemingly unlikely places such as China, Belarus, Tunisia, Morocco and Venezuela.


>It has prominent supporters in many places. For example, the new Argentinian president Javier Milei is a Chabad devotee. Donald Trump donated to Chabad, though not as much as his son-in-law Jared Kushner, who played a pivotal role in the normalization of the Zionist entity.


>Obviously, Chabad has been highly organized in Ukraine and its followers were amongst those recruited to the Nazi Azov Battalion, which it is important to recall, was co-founded by a former member of the Israel occupation forces.


>Press TV’s flagship weekly show Palestine Declassified previously reported how Ukrainian Jewish oligarch Igor Kolomoisky bankrolled Chabad in Ukraine as well as the Nazi Azov and Aidar battalions.


>Back in the UK, there are around one hundred Chabad groups or offices. It flies under the radar and is widely regarded as well-meaning if a little eccentric.


>In reality, it is an extremist group that is building support for genocide in the UK.


>Ironically, the Community Security Trust has aided Chabad - giving them security advice after an edition of Palestine Declassified exposed some of their activities.


>The CST has 'educating about extremism' as one of its charitable objectives, but it is unwilling to educate us on the extremism of Chabad.


>There is a very good reason for that. Gerald Ronson, who created and runs the CST, is himself a Zionist extremist and has been supporting Chabad for more than half a century.


>Here he is in 2013 as a guest of honor at one of their events.


>Zionist extremists are widely scattered across the UK and form a mutually supportive network. This is a key element of the justification and support for genocide in Gaza.


Ok so they are totally unbased except for that one thing.

>>2363605
What the fuck is this even saying?
This is evidence American English is starting to incorporate the language of it's Hebrew ruling class just as it did with Latin and French.

>>2363612
Here's a fun question: China AIMS to keep its fluoride concentration at 1mg/L (1.2mg/L in rural areas), why don't they aim to get rid of it entirely if it's purely poison?

>>2363605
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/804034/jewish/How-Do-I-Explain-Israels-Actions.htm
> 2008-9: Operation Cast Lead Commentary

<I am the only Jew in my office, so I face a daily barrage of questions about Israel's actions in Gaza. I don't know who appointed me as Israel's spokesman and I am not armed with the answers. Can you help?


>At times like this, each one of us becomes an ambassador for Israel. Even if you don't agree with everything Israel does, any decent person must stand up for Israel's right to self-defense.


>We can leave the military and political issues to the experts, but we should all be clear on the moral questions raised by this war. Let's look at a few of the most commonly asked questions.


<Q: How can Israel justify killing civilians if their intent is to crush Hamas?


>A: The death of innocents is a tragic inevitability of war. Our hearts go out to all those caught in the middle. The sad fact is that the Palestinian people are being held hostage by Hamas. Just as it is clear that Hamas is morally culpable for any harm done to Gilad Shalit, the Israeli hostage that they hold, so too are they culpable for the fate of Palestinian innocents amongst whom they hide. A civilian who is killed while being used by a terrorist as a human shield is a victim of the terrorist, not the Israeli army, who does not target innocent civilians


<Q: Doesn't Israel understand that they are just creating more terrorists? The anger and fury at Israel as a result of bombing Gaza will only make more people want to join Hamas.


>A: Feelings of frustration, anger, fear and rage do not make you into a terrorist. A culture of death and an education of hate does. Israel doesn't need to do anything to create terrorists - Islamic extremism does that - but Israel must act to destroy those who threaten its people.

What the fuck do they mean a culture of death? They're saying when they kill them, that doesn't crate a culture of death?

<Q: Hamas indeed has a militant wing, but it also does a lot of good. They are responsible for social programs, educational projects and humanitarian work in Gaza. By destroying Hamas, Israel also destroys all the good they do. Aren't we demonizing a group that is not all bad?


>A: If a serial killer also happens to volunteer for his local hospital, has donated money to an orphanage, and looks after his ailing grandmother, he is still a serial killer, and he and the threat he represents must be treated as such. The danger he poses far outweighs the concern for any good he may do.

<If a serial killer also happens to volunteer for his local hospital,
Lel I found myself trying to come to grips with this question in regards to this org and whatever good things they did for criminal justice reform.

<Q: By using violence, how is Israel any better than its terrorist enemies?


>A: That is as ridiculous as saying that a woman who fights off an attacker is no better than her attacker. Israel would not touch Hamas if Hamas would stop sending rockets and suicide bombers into Israel. Israel seeks to live in peace with its neighbors; Hamas and its allies seek to destroy Israel, no matter what Israel does.

Lmao. Of course the Jew thinks of his people as a woman collectively. I swear the most feminine people on the planet. The matrilineal thing, all that.

>There is a world of difference between the Hamas terrorists and the Israeli soldiers. The Hamas terrorist seeks violence as a way of life; his aim is to sow war and death. For the Israeli soldier, war is a necessity, and a moral duty, because Israel's citizens are being attacked and innocent lives are being threatened. The Hamas terrorist seeks to maximize civilian casualties; the Israeli soldier does everything in his power to minimize them.


>The Hamas terrorist fears times of peace, because then he has no purpose. The Israeli soldier dreams of a time when peace will reign. Then, the Israel Defense Force will be made joyously redundant, as "one nation will not lift a sword against another nation, and they will no longer learn to wage war".

>>2363619
You mean no more than 1mg/L. They aren't fluoridating the water, just reducing fluoride in water supplies with high fluoride contamination.

I don't know why we are pretending like China is the most developed country in the world.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-83497-y
Non-carcinogenic health risks of fluoride exposure in minors based on national surveillance in China, 2014 and 2018

>High fluoride concentrations in groundwater represent a substantial global public health concern. In China, over 70 million individuals suffer from drinking water fluorosis. This study reports national surveillance data in 2014 and 2018, dividing affected areas into six regions. The compliance rate for safe fluoride concentrations in drinking water improved by 13.1%. The data revealed a statistically significant difference in fluoride concentration between areas that underwent improvements and those that did not (Z = − 10.583, P < 0.001). The potential health risks for minors were evaluated, with hazard index (HI) values for minors exceeding 1, indicating the possibility of non-carcinogenic health risks associated with fluoride exposure. Furthermore, in certain regions, the non-carcinogenic health risks related to the current Chinese national standard for fluoride in drinking water (1.0 mg/L) for infants have surpassed the acceptable threshold. The implementation of improvement initiatives led to a reduction in the non-carcinogenic risk of fluoride exposure for minors, with odds ratios (95% CI) for infants, children, and teens were 0.369 (0.268, 0.509), 0.556 (0.452, 0.683), and 0.823 (0.740, 0.914), respectively. These findings can assist governmental agencies in formulating more effective policies for the protection of minors, particularly infants, from fluoride exposure.

realized i'll never be an idf breeding bvll living in california pretending to be a palestenian with unlimited money so i'm going to the emergency room

Thomas massie opponent funded by trump lol. I can't even


https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2025/06/29/congress/aaron-reed-thomas-massie-challenger-00432138

White House officials will host Kentucky state Sen. Aaron Reed in the coming weeks for a discussion about challenging GOP Rep. Thomas Massie in next year’s Republican primary, according to two people granted anonymity to describe the private plans.

self destruction we don't belong anywhere

Holy shit they're still going at it. It's 1 AM there.


Trump threatening Elon lol

Posted 30 minutes ago

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>>2363455
Yeah I was thinking of that bit. Also I think she's a maso freak. The colored punishing her after she said all those racist things in public that day is probably a big thing for her.

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>>2363629
>Trump 7/1/2025
KILL THE BOER! Everyone saw this coming but I don't know if anyone predicted it going this far.

>>2363628
matthew the ratjew aka al-jafari aka yung adam sandler aka the supreme leader of compton aka the tel-aviv jihadist aka mr steal yo girl aka rabbi ayyrab aka the giga jew

>>2363625
Then Musk is going to fund Massie. He's a lot richer than Trump.

i want to die i want to die i want to die

not even weed is taking the edge off am perma banned from 4chan

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>>2363634
We all will one day. Just ride it out baby. You know it's funny, from a young age I was obsessed with living forever and was very disturbed my eventual death. Then I was briefly suicidal, now I don't care either way, I'll just keep on going on until I'm gone. This world is entertaining enough.

>>2363635
Just reset your router you idiot. Delete your cookies+reset your router and you get a new IP.

>>2363636
To know we were born and died just before humanity discovers immortal life really sucks though.

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>>2363629
do something, you orange cow

>>2363638
I believe in the immortal soul. This world is imaginary. You wish to live forever and you shall. I don't like all the Jewish shit mixed in Christianity. I believe in "Universal Salvation" so to say.

Bro I shit you not I was on this transhumanist shit without ever reading one word of it from like 2 years old to my mid teenage years. I shit you not I used to wake my mother up at like 2 or 3 or whatever, this is what they told me and I have vague recollections, about this fucking nightmarish existential crisis I had about the fact that I would eventually die. Then I got into imagining hypotheticals about preserving my brain in some kind of artificial structure that could keep it alive forever. I never believed in any duplicating your consciousness to the cloud meant anything, I always felt the brain must be preserved physically otherwise that is obviously death and just a duplicate that could exist as the same time as the original. I pictured bizzare shit as a child staying up all night in this phobic state imagining, how my brain could hypothetically be saved in a self-sustained structure that could surivive the heat-death of the universe or whatever. But like eventually I had an epiphany, like what is infinity? Eventually this moment will be infinity years in the past hypothetically, and then what will it mean then? Meaning would naturally, eventually, be sucked out of your whole life experience so what does it really matter? I think this is one of the key points that lead my to overcome "material reductionism" or whatever the best term is.

From much more experience I believe that consciousness is actually the key element of existence and that matter is just an imaginary product just as you imagine matter in your own dre4ams.

>>2363629
Musk should retaliate by threatening to drop the Epstein Files on Trump completely uncensored.

>>2363638
>spending an eternity living underneath israeli overlords
nah i would rather die

>>2363633
You are right sir. Elon said right now he will fund Massie

>>2363641
And if there is one thing I could do for this world, it would be to show you all that "God is real." I don't even know how to explain it. Actually I've developed my own quotes which is that God is the sole thing in existence, and this creation is simply God's imagination. Everything is God and God exists before and after this creation. You are nothing but God. You will live eternally because the only thing that is real is the God in you. Or everything is real. How to even explain it. Like in a dream, you are the God of that dream right? Every single person in that dream is really just you. You get it?

If you are really concerned with living forever in this physical vessel, research the "psychosomatic effect" look what the accepted science says is possible. Health comes from within you. Your body builds itself. What if you could consciously control all aspects of your health?

>>2363647
The health of your body doesn't come from gross physical manipulations of the body. The actually healing always comes from an internal process. Obviously gross physical manipulation like setting bones aid it hugely, but without the body fusing the bones through it's micro processes then no healing would take place.

>>2363346
people forget he was a bowtie dipshit

>>2363441
>du'nt use the fork; du'nt eat the pork, what do ya do, jack?
I apreciated the Adam Ant reference or at least that was I thought you were going for.

>>2363483
Zionazis have realized a very important paradox which they are able to psychopathically exploit: The more left wing jews are killed by right wing anti-semites, the more the remaining Jews (increasingly right wing in their outlook) embrace zionism as a form of self defense. The more the remaining jews conclude "well our problem is we're not organized into bloodthirsty genocidal militias that pre-emptively attack our designated enemies, like the people who are killing us do. It's a winning strategy and we should embrace it rather than giving into slave morality." So zionists actually ENCOURAGE right wing antisemitism against Jews to purge themselves of the "weak, left wing" element among themselves and make the remaining people more bloodthristy, more accepting of zionism. It's actually very similar to how Justice Clarence Thomas once remarked that racism against black people "hardens" them through adversity. It is very eugenics coded, but instead of purging society, you are purging your own of the "weak" and "tolerant".

>>2363641
>This world is imaginary.
I wish but don't really believe it. Good on you I guess. If you are right I have nothing to worry about.
> I used to wake my mother up at like 2 or 3 or whatever, this is what they told me and I have vague recollections, about this fucking nightmarish existential crisis
Funny.
>I never believed in any duplicating your consciousness to the cloud meant anything
Yeah. It wouldn't be you just some duplicate.
>I pictured bizzare shit as a child staying up all night in this phobic state imagining, how my brain could hypothetically be saved in a self-sustained structure that could surivive the heat-death of the universe or whatever.
It's not really that bizarre just some 1950s sci-fi hypothetical. Not sure most humans would want to go that route they would probably keep most of their body if possible and engineer the universe around it. Probably figure out how to stop heat death eventually.
>Meaning would naturally, eventually, be sucked out of your whole life experience so what does it really matter?
Disagree with the Heidegger type thinking here. Living is valuable in itself. Existence gives it's own meaning and significance. The idea of abstracted "meaning" only coming after you are dead is cope to deal with your DNA breaking down over the years causing death from old age.

>>2363647
So trees that live for hundreds of years have figured it out but grass just doesn't think positively enough?

>>2363643
pissraelis control a lot of shit but they're on their way out. eventually just like the nazis and the british empire they'll be fried chicken

>>2363465
pro-semitism has killed millions

>>2363657
>I wish but don't really believe it. Good on you I guess. If you are right I have nothing to worry about.
Indeed, my beliefs are low pressure. It's all good no matter what.
>Yeah. It wouldn't be you just some duplicate.
Yeah exactly, but for whatever reason these Sci-Fis act like the scan in the computer is supposed to be you. I know Star Trek had some big thing about that in the novels about the transporters/duplicators or whatever. About how the thing scans you at one end and creates a duplicate at another and incinerates the original or some shit. I think this is probably a named trope on TVTropes.
>It's not really that bizarre just some 1950s sci-fi hypothetical. Not sure most humans would want to go that route they would probably keep most of their body if possible and engineer the universe around it. Probably figure out how to stop heat death eventually.
It is rather bizzare for that age. I made up this silly transhumanist business as a child without ever seeing this concepts anywhere. It's just the natural conclusion of the silly material-reductionist belief of course but it is funny that a child can get to the bottom of how retarded that shit is when adults still believe it.

>Disagree with the Heidegger type thinking here.

I don't know what the fuck you are talking about. I don't like Euro philosophers at all so it always throws me for a loop when you want to compare me to one. I have simply no idea.
>Living is valuable in itself. Existence gives it's own meaning and significance.
I agree. That's why I am anti-suicide like I said. Just ride it out. There is no objective, just make it as far as you can. This will not be your last time here is my belief.
>The idea of abstracted "meaning" only coming after you are dead is cope to deal with your DNA breaking down over the years causing death from old age.
I wouldn't say that is my belief at all. I think you are deriving meaning all the time. You are resolving the picture every moment. It's all for a purpose really.

>>2363660
And it's funny how easily humans are swayed between both ends
>How can I bend reality to keep living this life forever?!
<How can I end this life immediately as easily and painlessly as possible?!

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>>2363641
>I believe in the immortal soul. This world is imaginary.
Literal idealism in the most extreme sense of the word.
>You wish to live forever and you shall
Many don't actually
>I don't like all the Jewish shit mixed in Christianity. I believe in "Universal Salvation" so to say.
At that point why not just drop the salvation shit altogether and just be a pantheist or deist or something, if you really gotta stay on the godpill.
>Bro I shit you not I was on this transhumanist shit without ever reading one word of it from like 2 years old to my mid teenage years. I shit you not I used to wake my mother up at like 2 or 3 or whatever, this is what they told me and I have vague recollections, about this fucking nightmarish existential crisis I had about the fact that I would eventually die.
Kids don't really understand death until 4 in terms of brain development. I got a 2 year old and they don't even talk in complete sentences yet. They mostly just label things
>Then I got into imagining hypotheticals about preserving my brain in some kind of artificial structure that could keep it alive forever.
I started having similar thoughts around 8 or 9 because I was reading too much sci fi and fantasy
> I never believed in any duplicating your consciousness to the cloud meant anything, I always felt the brain must be preserved physically otherwise that is obviously death and just a duplicate that could exist as the same time as the original.
Well even your consciousness within your own brain is an illusion of continuity. From one moment to the next things "die" and are "reborn" if we are to believe the physicists who say that there is a real quantization of time and space at the planck scale. there is a scale of movement beneath which so called "momentary motion" is actually instantaneous teleportation of something that gets "destroyed" one moment and "recreated" the next. Also there's the whole ship of Theseus paradox as well. about whether an entity is identical to its set of components and how many components you can swap out through repair etc. before it is an entirely new entity. So to me identity itself is an illusion and the "soul" is a way for self-conscious phenomena (we are fluid phenomena rather than consistent entities) to cope with their own internal contradictions and lack of a real identity. The soul is a label we arbitrarily use to "lasso" a collection of phenomena we deem to be a living being, but that collection of phenomena is so vast. Think of how many nails, hair, shit, and skin cells come out of you alone. think of your cells dying and regrowing. think of how your brain re-encodes itself over time to think differently. think of how some memories which are core to your identity "fade" or become distorted over time. we are collections of phenomena and the idea that we are self-consistent entities is a very convincing illusion that we use our cultural superstructure to reinforce. I think there needs to be a cultural revolution not in the chinese sense of the term, not the pep rallies and struggle sessions, but a quiet collective rethinking of how humans see themselves, before socialism can begin to be possible in the first world. we need to put aside our illusions and ego and embrace regard ourselves as cells in a greater body. religion already gives people the strength to do that, but it does so on anti-materialist terms rather than materialist terms. rather than sacrificing oneself for the promise of heaven we should do it regardless of the promise. we should accept that we in all likelihood will die before things get better, and that anything we find "important" about ourselves are reproducible traits which can re-emerge in the material world even if there is no soul that can be reincarnated or exert influence on the real world from the afterlife.
> I pictured bizzare shit as a child staying up all night in this phobic state imagining, how my brain could hypothetically be saved in a self-sustained structure that could surivive the heat-death of the universe or whatever. But like eventually I had an epiphany, like what is infinity? Eventually this moment will be infinity years in the past hypothetically, and then what will it mean then? Meaning would naturally, eventually, be sucked out of your whole life experience so what does it really matter? I think this is one of the key points that lead my to overcome "material reductionism" or whatever the best term is.
Yes, I've had similar thoughts but I remained materialist and simply synthesized it with my materialism. Dialectical materialism is non-reductionist. Metaphysical vulgar materialism is reductionist. It's all about whether you treat things as static constants like a child trying to label objects in a bucket or whether you try to always regard the flux and flow and internal inconsistency of things as they move through various temporary and illusory states.
>From much more experience I believe that consciousness is actually the key element of existence and that matter is just an imaginary product just as you imagine matter in your own dreams.
Consciousness is a byproduct of material conditions though. Your ability to consider these questions will die with your brain. a conscious collection of phenomena is a product of its environment before it grows and matures makes the environment a product of itself.

America - Tin Man (1975)

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>>2363664
I love the comments on the golden era.

>>2363663
This is such a midwit attempt at 'resolving' the hard-problem of consciousness.
Boring.
Also, there's nothing inherently obliviating about a physicalist account of consciousness, see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfAFPi89454 and this guy's entire channel, more generally. Also certain strains of materialist buddhism.

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>>2363629
damn, the spicy soap opera is getting spicy.

>>2363663
>Well even your consciousness within your own brain is an illusion of continuity.
It's not an "illusion" if people actively feel this continuity at a primal level. "I think therefore I am" presupposes the "I" because people feel the "I" no matter what they think.
>Also there's the whole ship of Theseus paradox as well. about whether an entity is identical to its set of components and how many components you can swap out through repair etc. before it is an entirely new entity.
No matter how many pieces of Theseus's ship you replace it would still be a ship…

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>>2363668
>This is such a midwit attempt at 'resolving' the hard-problem of consciousness.
This is such a dismissive non-response.
>midwit
chan lingo for people who think they're better than you.
>Physicalist
I think you have misinterpreted what I'm saying which is why you don't quote any of it and immediately spam youtube. (I will check it out tomorrow if I have time.)

Anyway I was trying to have a discussion not a "debate" but if you want to have a disagreement based conversation at least try to climb the pyramid of disagreement a little bit instead of initiating race to the bottom of it.


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