took a trip to vietnam and I no longer feel like I'm taking crazy pills. they have problems like every society but they're dealing with them, effectively. there are new schools being built everywhere I look when our education budget gets blown on adding new lanes to grammar school swimming pools. new industries are being fostered in regional areas when in australia the last four generations have been uprooted to the cities. I open up the news and existential threats like climate change aren't being swept under the rug: they have specific targets, timelines, responsible ministries, and review dates and criteria. not a fucking single wasted line about pub tests or culture wars.
they are so fucking happy, and social, its unreal.
they think australia is more advanced, I don't know if they understand how broken our politics is, how concentrated wealth is here, and how low our economic complexity is. I get the impression the public of both nations are preoccupied with how things are now and not how they're going to be in 30 years.
>>2491130Vietnam was one a vibrant and beautiful place before it was utterly destroyed by the United States in one of the greatest acts of genocide in human history and turned into a slave colony for US business interests where children in sweatshops sew Reebok shoes together for 10 cents an hour.
>>2491243that's a gross oversimplification. their gdp is split half and half between public and private sectors. with multiple primary and secondary industries.
the textiles industry has progressed pretty far from what naomi klein described in the shock doctrine: surplus production capacity is being used by independent vietnamese brands that retain 100% of the royalties (dico being the most well known internationally). vietnam is already a fashion shenzen that designers go to to polish designs for production.
even crazier they have a car manufacturer: vinfast. they make electric cars, bikes, and aircraft. we really need to hold labor's feet to the fire on this one: toyota and ford fucked off, and holden packed up. still can't comprehend that there's no more commodores.
>>2491243>Vietnam was one a vibrant and beautiful place before it was utterly destroyed by the United States It was full of frenchmen.
>>2491130Sure our future is fucked but currently if you have a full time job here you are better off than the vast vast majority of Vietnamese.
>>2491971you're missing my point, which is about the future and not the present.
I'm not sure I see yours: vietnam has been subjected to decades of colonial slavery, genocide, and harsh sanctions. the only crisis in australia is that it's full of racist fuckwits.
Thoughts about turning Australia in a Republic?
>>2493755interesting you bring up the police strikes. the police union used to operate out of trades hall in victoria. the reason why they left is uniquely australian:
> the socialist unions let activists use meeting rooms in trades hall for free> indigenous rights are completely fucked in australia> session is booked to dicuss black deaths in custody> police union hears about this< shit! covering up black deaths in custody is our only job!> they call the trades hall council to protest> trades hall council actions their protest and cancels the meeting< nobody can find out about this> session is booked for a weekend> everyone shows up> booking is missing> nobody can find the key to the room> nobody told them about the coppers throwing a shitfit> but this is australia so fuckups like this are normal< fucking typical ay? she'll be right> run the session in the lobby, it goes OK> police union is furious< oi wtf, this is discrimination, we're suing, and leaving> trades hall council is confused< we literally cancelled it tho> police union drops the dispute and leaves before the whole shitshow makes the papersup until this point the wharfies, the labourers, and the coppers that bashed them shared the same building for union matters. can't imagine how fucking awkward that would have been.
>>2493755No. Pigs might be paid by capital but their surplus labour isn’t appropriated as profit.
>>2493755Police officers are proletarians. They are (generally speaking) class traitors, because a law enforcement agent is beholden to enforce bourgeois law, and so unless they are a double agent or until they resign, they are a powerful counterrevolutionary force.
While they have a material interest in supporting capitalist regime, I do believe that the military, police and other state actors, along with other classcucks like neo-Nazis, are not inherently some lost cause and have proven able to flip. That doesn't mean it is (always) wise to attempt this, or that all are capable of flipping. But the bottom line is they are valuable for their knowledge, skills, and having one less enemy to fight, so it's important for us to cautiously have doors open for them to explore.
Interviews of modern (US) military who flipped to socialism:
https://soundcloud.com/eyesleft (check the Wake Ups series, including a Green Beret)
Interviews of neo-Nazis who flipped or deradicalised:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7DUJbRJIKYI'd be interested to see a police officer one, all I know of is this article by an anonymous author claiming to be an ex-cop:
Confessions Of A Former Bastard Cop>>2493758Fuck the monarchy, but really, I don't see how it would help (yet). Federation just empowered our own bourgeoisie to perform regional imperialism. I'd say the US has more real power over us than the UK.
Did you know?: Bullying works.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/social-suicide-uni-liberal-club-laments-failure-to-attract-new-members-as-political-party-taints-image-20251008-p5n0x8.html>“There are a great deal many students at University of Melbourne who are interested in what we do at the club … they say, ‘We like what you do and we might even, to a point, have a centre-right ideology but … to be affiliated with anything Liberal would be social suicide,’” Bowie said. It was particularly true for female students, he added.
>“I have had a few friends who have been interested in joining but have been hesitant due to this,” [Ruby Corbett] said.>It didn’t prevent her signing up but, “after I became more involved with the MULC [the club], I’ve had friends basically demonstrate this intolerance with me and basically disown me”.
>Corbett said the party was often wrongly equated as a “far-right extremist group”, especially on the politically polarised university campus grounds.>“The Victorian left-wing bubble wants an enemy to project their own fears and derangement onto, and the Liberal Party is their choice,” she said.tldr people dont want to hang out with sentient garbage
>>2511447>The commemorations came as Victoria Police investigated a graffiti attack on a billboard in Melbourne, which was daubed with a pro-Hamas slogan.Oh my god! A graffiti ATTACK!! This is horrible!
https://redantcollective.org/2025/10/20/an-account-of-the-police-riot-to-protect-fascists-in-melbourne-naarm/
>cops do everything they can to provoke a confrontation >anarchildren provoke them >cops bash the shit out of protestors in responseFucksake why can’t you retards be normal
>>2387213you americans are annoying as fuck.
>>2387202but then we can't be in Eurovision…
The organisers of the counter-protests, including pseudo-left groups such as Socialist Alternative, have sought to channel opposition back behind the Labor government and the official political establishment. The Sydney counter-protest was endorsed by both Young Labor and the Young Greens.
In reality, Labor is centrally responsible for the growth of the far-right. It is scapegoating immigrants and refugees for the housing and social crisis. And by inflicting social pain and the pro-business agenda it is creating the conditions for far-right forces to make an appeal.
Labor is also overseeing a far-reaching onslaught on basic democratic rights, centred on its attempts to criminalise mass opposition to the Israeli genocide of Palestinians in Gaza and its own complicity.
The assault on the right to protest was on display in Melbourne. Police have accused some members of the counter-protest of initiating violent clashes. Footage posted to social media, however, shows Victoria Police officers indiscriminately deploying capsicum spray at crowds of retreating protesters. Police also used flashbang grenades and there are reports of at least one protester being shot with a rubber bullet.
After the rally, Victoria Police Commander Wayne Cheeseman gave a frothing press conference, denouncing purported “left-wing” violence. Prominent comments in the press, including the Melbourne Age have demanded the curtailment or abolition of the right to protest.
That underscores the point raised by WSWS and Socialist Equality Party campaigners at the counter-protests. We explained that the rise of the far-right, as well as growing authoritarianism by governments of all stripes, is the response of the ruling elite to mounting social and political opposition amid a breakdown of capitalism.
The fight against fascism requires the independent mobilisation of the working class, in opposition to the entire political establishment, including the Labor governments, based on a socialist program.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/10/21/rxbd-o21.html>>2529915the rank and file in labor are good kids. the caucus is fucked. there's no good party for people with serious political ambition so they land in young labor or some shit tier libtard NGO on the basis that Labor can form government, and lobbying is better than working for the greens.
It's up to saltyjordies to turn the Victorian Socialists (and their franchises) into a political force, but I'm concerned it's going to be another infighting ridden shitshow because he's a millenial and a trot, making him 4X as prone to self sabotage.
>>2532657One of these dudes interrupted our reading group and yapped about the platypus reading circle for like 10 minutes and left.
Also I think they're Trots.
Go on dole. That is what I am doing.
I worked for government for like 6 months and realised the government does not give a shit about how many people are abusing their services; it's mainly welfare fraud they care about which costs them millions and is in the hands of the very few.
In my country of Australia, there are more people on JobSeeker Payments than ever. But there is also absolutely nothing stopping a communist party from committing welfare fraud by putting in false applications in some fake person's name and collecting it from an ATM.
>>2532657That such a piece was published a year after the beginning of the genocide, with tens or even hundreds of thousands of Palestinians murdered, brands Platypus as a group that is supporting a 21st-century Holocaust as it takes place.
That has included a modern-day equivalent of Holocaust denial, with Platypus founder Chris Cutrone having ridiculed claims of a genocide in February, declaring it was “not at all clear” that ethnic cleansing was “the current Israeli intent.” Cutrone made those statements months after Israeli leaders had repeatedly declared their aim is to cleanse Gaza of Palestinians.
It is not only Palestinian resistance that is targeted by Platypus. In its October 7 anniversary piece, the group tars the masses of workers and young people who have opposed the atrocities, including in the US and the other imperialist centres, as dupes who are associating themselves with “antisemitism,” “reactionary Islamism,” “misogyny” and “fascist morality.”
That is a slander and a justification for the police-state crackdown that has been waged against opposition to the genocide, by the Biden administration in the US and affiliated imperialist governments internationally. It is a signal that Platypus will join with the incoming Trump administration in an even more frenzied attack on anti-war opposition.
The positions of Platypus are so openly pro-imperialist and right-wing, it is no exaggeration to say that they could have come from the US State Department itself or the Australian Labor government.
>>2532861unimelb is for rich cunts, and rich cunts from overseas. makes sense they'd make a faker socialist group than salt. they can't have an affiliation with any socialist party in australia because none of them are zionist.
there is one group they could be from: there used to be a zionist socialist youth group in melbs that did eco activism and learned about indigenous culture and went camping and stuff like that. real innocent, except they were founded by and dedicated to jabotinsky the butcher.
can't figure out what the name was because they've disappeared from the ZFA website but I'm pretty sure they disaffiliated 6 months into the genocide when they got a good look at naked zionism because they stopped updating their website. platypus might be a new chapter of the same movement.
>>2532898>can't figure out what the name was because they've disappeared from the ZFA websiteweb.archive.org?
https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-sack-club-mascot-after-walking-out-of-young-fans-bar-mitzvah-c-20434351>be carlton footy mascot>asked to do bar mitzvah>no worries>having a good one till you find out the event is an IDF fundraiser>walk the fuck out>wealthy club owners are attending the genocide bar mitzvah>they have a teary>get fired>get smeared as an anti-semitethis is gonna resonate with the trades. they fucked with footy. there is a massive opportunity to wedge by debating whether the club should donate to the IDF. really bad optics for the zionazis that forced the expulsion.
>>2535592Tradies are bourgeois.
>>2536058at this point I don't care how zionists become pariahs just that they do.
I don't know why people get so pissed about the Australian Frontier Wars. Sure, I might be willing to admit that certain elements of Queen Victoria's administration may have harboured slightly anti-indiginous sentiments that go far even for me, but that doesn't mean the various tribal groups can deny Australia's right to exist. These savages are so frequently attacking our settlers. I heard one say the other day that "From the Yarra River to the Tasman Sea Shall Be Free," which is obviously genocidal, as there are a ton of Australians in this area and they have no connection to any other nation. Where would they go? And I don't get why these Wurundjeri, Boonwurrung, and Wathaurrungs get so pissed off. This is obviously not an equal fight. Aboriginals surround Australians in every direction. Why can't they just go live with these Jagera and Turrbal peoples in the desert? The northern savages don't seem to be helping the southern ones out enough, why is it always our responsibility? I read in the Herald Sun the other day that some Aboriginals scalped babies! Babies! You can condemn the land seizures but not scalping babies? These activists seem to be holding Queen Victoria to a standard they never held Pemulwuy to when he was slaughtering innocent Bendigo settlers. They must just want all the Australian people dead. Again, you may have certain issues with the Queen's administration, or even every monarch ever crowned, but this doesn't mean Australians have inherent problems (the Aboriginals certainly do, I haven't heard one condemn the latest scalping). You can criticise certain politicians, and I agree, I'm even a Labour voter, but you have no right to question our peoples right to exist. There is no other Australian nation in the world. Why do you want us, out of all other people, not to have self determination?(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
>>2536058Thanks, wsws. Retarded analysis as always.
>>2537078But this is clearly ironical?
>>2539499becuz ur not based for based one party labor system
>>2539499To be fair to Jordies most people don’t know how corrupt our cops and pollies actually are. If he was a mainstream journo his boss would have stopped him publishing the story that got him firebombed.
Maybe this will be he redemption arc.
>>2539516I *highly* doubt he'll change his views. He'll find some way to rationalise it and go back to sucking labor's dick without thinking twice - hell, I don't even think he'll make the connection that the system he's spent so long defending is the same one that tried to kill him, and the same one that's completely indifferent to his attempted murder. Who knows, maybe he thinks Labor money is worth risking his life for.
At best, his experience can serve as an example: the state doesn't give a fuck about you. If you get in the way of the affairs of the rich, no matter the evidence, no matter the crime, they will kill you. No matter who you are, no matter who you know. No matter how loyal you are to the state - even if you're Jordan Shanks - if you get in the way, they'll throw you aside without blinking.
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