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>>2378978 >Google co-founder Sergey Brin calls U.N. ‘transparently antisemitic’ after United Nations report alleges that Google & other tech firms profited from Israel’s genocide.https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2025/07/08/sergey-brin-united-nations-gaza-israel/
>In September 2004, Brin and Page went to Israel for the 80th birthday party of Shimon Peres and praised Israeli technology. "Israel looks to me like the next Silicon Valley; it has the potential to be even more successful than Silicon Valley, because people here are hungrier," Brin said.
> "You know I was generally familiar with the history of Israel, but really seeing…a closer account of what's been really accomplished–once again–out of nothing, just dirt. In a short period of time to build a whole country…" and Brin trailed off. Sergey Mikhailovich Brin was born on August 21, 1973, in Moscow in the Soviet Union,[8] to Russian Jewish parents,[9] Mikhail and Eugenia Brin (1948–2024), both graduates of Moscow State University (MSU).[10] His father is a retired mathematics professor at the University of Maryland, and his mother was a researcher at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center.[11][12][13]
>>2380287they're not "documented" so they don't count
or, better yet, they're criminals (send to prison of hyped up charges with no trial) so they don't count
>>2380272this is the right answer
>>2380333this is the wrong answer
>>2380280I know that it's sizzling and that's why it bugs me that things seem to be going nowhere good in burgerland and the left isn't up to the task to build a better world for one reason another.
>>2380317I have my issues with him but his hatred for third-worldists and their fetishization of the third world proles and nihilistic attitudes towards first world is 100% justified. You third-worldists contribute absolutely nothing and are one of the many things wrong with the American left.
>>2380348in critique of the gotha program, marx explains that man's inherent inequalities will be erased as communism reaches its higher phases. he specifically says that differences in types of labour will be abolished, etc. he further says that the "defects" of this inequality of labour is based on a bourgeois right of equality, so your post is just supporting bourgeois right in disguise. why resist your own ideas?
>But one man is superior to another physically, or mentally, and supplies more labor in the same time, or can labor for a longer time; and labor, to serve as a measure, must be defined by its duration or intensity, otherwise it ceases to be a standard of measurement. This equal right is an unequal right for unequal labor. It recognizes no class differences, because everyone is only a worker like everyone else; but it tacitly recognizes unequal individual endowment, and thus productive capacity, as a natural privilege. It is, therefore, a right of inequality, in its content, like every right. Right, by its very nature, can consist only in the application of an equal standard; but unequal individuals (and they would not be different individuals if they were not unequal) are measurable only by an equal standard insofar as they are brought under an equal point of view, are taken from one definite side only – for instance, in the present case, are regarded only as workers and nothing more is seen in them, everything else being ignored. Further, one worker is married, another is not; one has more children than another, and so on and so forth. Thus, with an equal performance of labor, and hence an equal in the social consumption fund, one will in fact receive more than another, one will be richer than another, and so on. To avoid all these defects, right, instead of being equal, would have to be unequal. But these defects are inevitable in the first phase of communist society as it is when it has just emerged after prolonged birth pangs from capitalist society. Right can never be higher than the economic structure of society and its cultural development conditioned thereby. In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly – only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/ch01.htm >>2380317See, right on time!
>>2380369>And also it's just much more productive working with people who want to actually uplift the oppressed peoples of your nation rather than tell them they deserve to suffer for something they had nothing to do with halfway around the world. If the revolution is motivated by punishment rather than liberation, the only people you'll get on your side are the same kind of nihilistic edgelords attracted to AtomwaffenThere was that whole idiotic shtick yesterday with the Chagos dude. First it's
>"WE'RE GONNA SHOVE A BAYONET UP YOUR ASS, GET OUT OF CHAGOS BEFORE WE KILL EVERYONE!"Then when I say "go ahead" it's
>"NOOOOOOOO! WE'RE JUST SMOL BEANS! YOU CAN'T EXPECT US TO ACTUALLY REVOLT!"Everyone was giving me grief because "Well the people of Chagos are too small to throw off the U.S.", okay, that's a perfectly valid reason to not revolt right now. You want to know how you overcome that weakness? You build allies internationally. You want to know how you build allies? Diplomatically. However it's clear that the person in question had already surrendered the idea of actually winning anything and so he chose to engage in nihilistic "I hope you all die" rhetoric while admitting he wont be able to actually do anything about it.
I was saying this before, but I think nationalists have an easier time organizing internationally, ironically enough, because they can at least start from a basis of "we're all self-interested and we owe the rest of ya' nothing." For fuck's sake, even /pol/ is fairly diverse. Starting diplomacy from the position of mutual self-interest is just common sense versus knocking on someone's door and saying "This is what you owe me." It's pragmatism vs moralism.
>>2380399>A bullet in the head makes everybody equal.And yet it hasn't happened.
picrel (me)
>>2380400Ahh yes, the "diplomatic" strategy of telling everyone on earth they can eat shit and did so your precious Volk can have an even more comfortable life.
That's going to work well. It's so surprising everyone from the third world wants to rape you to death with a bayonet with a strategy like that.
Go back to Quantico and suck start your service piece. The world is a better place without you in it.
>>2380369>And also it's just much more productive working with people who want to actually uplift the oppressed peoples of your nation rather than tell them they deserve to suffer for something they had nothing to do with halfway around the world.It really is. I have my issues with the orgs in my area because they only give a shit about identity struggles (LGBT and sex worker stuff to be specific) but at the very least they want to help the people around them.
I do hope that the recent discourse around raising the minimum wage and treatlism has made people realize how much a joke third-worldism is.
> If the revolution is motivated by punishment rather than liberation, the only people you'll get on your side are the same kind of nihilistic edgelords attracted to AtomwaffenTo be fair punishment is going to be a major motivation for revolution in America given how cartoonishly evil porkies and reactionaries are here especially as of late. Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if the reprisals in a post-revolution America would be Khmer-Rouge levels of brutal.
>>2380382Dude how old are you? You sound like a teenager who thinks they're a revolutionary after seeing some Stalin memes.
>>2380421Nick Land is almost as great of a man as Amadeo Bordiga
Cope and sneed MLoid honkoids
>>2380415>Ahh yes, the "diplomatic" strategy of telling everyone on earth they can eat shit and did so your precious Volk can have an even more comfortable life. Actually Felix that's basically what you do. Internationalist diplomacy, let's say in regard to Chagos, would be.
>"Hey, I'm from this island the U.S. is occupying, we're too small to actually kick America out. Anything Americans can do?"At which point you work on building various groups sympathetic to the people of Chagos and start to pressure the government to leave. You, however, start by screeching everyone else deserves to die.
>>2380411See third worldists don't think dialectically, they think moralistically.
>>2380424>>2380432they are hurting mommy
they will pay
>>2380422I'm not opposed to giving the bourgeoisie and their willing stooges their due, nor do I have a problem with making certain examples particularly brutal and edgy. Hell bring back the aesthetics of ritual sacrifices, they already think we worship demons as is because we want a world where nobody goes hungry so we might as well. And naturally the strategic use of terror is an important part of preventing the old economic order from reasserting itself in the short term. But hatred my comrade is like a flame. It is powerful and a source of fuel for your struggle, but let it burn too brightly and too hot and it will consume you from within and leave naught but ashes. Rather it must be tended, carefully maintained and not allowed to go out of control.
To temper our hatred, it is important that we emphasize not just the glorious future of communism, but the simple things in life that we've utterly forgotten that under socialism will become a given. Community events, trust in your neighbors, to make art for its own sake, to not have to worry about "what's profitable". You'd be surprised how many Americans can be won over simply by promising a real community that looks out for each other and doesn't leave people behind. A regime of love crafted by our hated for the old world, if you will.
Sorry if I sound overly pretentious but I hope the point is made
>>2380464I know this is like asking a vampire to eat a head of garlic but you should read about the history of the "Communist" Party USA before you accuse anyone else of being a fed.
For a group of people who cosplay as historical materialists, you are all so ignorant of history it has to be intentional.
>>2380497lub me choyna
lub me 'nam
lub me laos
lub me deepy ahkay
lub me cyoober
dont like it theres the door
>>2380409>machinic desirepositivist hogwash. freud's psychoanalytic negativity is a much better way to understand desire, as κάθαρσις. articulated desire begins from within subjectivity, not any substantial objectivity; every teenager who reads sartre knows this (it is the existential ambiguity which is our imperative mechanism. we do not suddenly encounter nothingness, but begin from its presupposition). you cannot create a libidinal surplus except through sublimated repression. the orgasm is the limit of our creativity.
>intelligent marketsmarkets have internal contradictions which lead to incompetency. its also government regulation which forces technology to compete with labour. this is marx's point on how absolute surplus value becomes relativised by a rate of increasing intensity, through regulations in the working day.
>conservatismthe role of conservatism is to be gatekeep resistance to liberalism. its humiliation is self-contrived as containment.
>democracy is the opposite of civilisationyet the biggest shitholes on earth are autocratic or illiberal, while wealth comes naturally to democracies.
>muh edgy atheismcringe.
>>2380514This is canary mission btw
>Canary Mission is an anonymously run doxing[1] website established in 2014 that publishes the personal information of students, professors, and organizations that it describes as anti-Israel or antisemitic, focusing primarily on people at North American universities.[2][3][4]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canary_MissionCanary Mission's published materials have been described as a blacklist.[5][6] Profiles are publicly-available online and intended for wide use, and Canary Mission may actively send them to employers.[7] Known users of the profiles include Israeli intelligence organizations Ministry of Strategic Affairs[1][8][9] and Shin Bet,[1] which interrogate and deny entry to American citizens.[9][10][11] In
>>2380522>Could this be the beginning of reunification with the North?No. The DPRK has started in their official announcements for a while now saying they do not want reunification.
I struggle to even see what it would look like without war and occupation.
>>2380522eh no
there are two socialist parties in south korea, those that haven't been banned. There's the Peoples Democracy Party and the Labor Party. Neither have any seats. These are the only parties who want unification AND recognise the workers party of korea.
>>2380517There was actually an international conservative conference at CPAC a while ago, and there were delegates there portraying the South Korean president as a martyr. It reminds me of something I heard on the Spanish Civil War where Franco managed to outmaneuver his rivals by garnering support directly from the Nazi party rather than trying to go through the German government.
Now, like then, you’ve got the decay of the government institutions meant to handle diplomacy and instead we’ve got a government of graft. It’s easier to just rub shoulders with republicans if you want something than put in a formal diplomatic request.
Felix is right in the vague sense that we could all be doing more (or maybe I'm just projecting).
His strategy though is just going to get people killed without achieving anything, assuming they don't make things worse.
>>2380600Yeah this guy's a vile freak what else is new?
>A man in Minnesota has been charged with shooting his friend through the right eye "at close range," per police, purportedly because she didn't want a romantic relationship with him.>Jose Luis Lopez Xique, 27, was charged Monday with second-degree murder for the June 16 shooting of Kayli Grace Arseth, 22, resulting in her death, per a press release from the Hennepin County Attorney's Office. His bail has been set at $2.5 million, per ABC affiliate KSTP.>Friends of the victim told police that Arseth had recently met a man online who went by the name "Lui." Police were able to identify "Lui" as Lopez Xique.>They determined that the pair had spent time together in person, as well, and that "Lui" bought Arseth things on shopping trips, but the relationship "was not romantic or sexual," per the affidavit.>They began exploring messages with "Lui" leading up to hear death, where they uncovered a seeming frustration growing between them, with "Lui" asking for a romantic relationship and "actual dates," and Arseth responding that she only wanted a friendship and "did not feel a romantic attraction" to him. "Lui" wrote "that he wanted to see more effort from her in their relationship," per the documents.https://toofab.com/2025/07/08/jose-lopez-xique-death-kayli-arseth-not-ready-for-relationship/ >>2380604>wanted to fuck Ivanathat's his ex wife. I think this is supposed to say
Ivanka his daughter.
>>2380577THANK YOU FRIEND. WHAT IS THIS WORLD COMING TO WHEN HONEST CITIZENS LIKE MYSELF ARE HARASSED BY PESKY GUMSHOES ACCUSING US OF MURDERING JOE IN 2020 IF ANYTHING THEY ARE THE REAL MURDERERS.
I LIKE NORMAL THINGS.
I LIKE THE WOMB
I LIKE SKIN
I LIKE FISHING AND SEEING THE FISH SQUIRM
DO NOT LOOK AT MY FOLDER LABELED “SHITBULLS” IT IS FOR PRIVATE VIEWINGONLY
SHOULD THESE PESKY GUMSHOES CONTINUE TO BEAR FALSE WITNESS AGAINST ME THEY WILL BE PUNISHED IN THE AFTERLIFE WHILE I ASCEND TO PARADISE.
THOSE WHO STAND WITH ME WILL BE REWARDED. THOSE WHO BARE FALSE WITNESS WILL BURN IN THE LAKE OF FIRE.
>>2380442Lula can't really do much because unlike his first term congress is dominated by the right, but recently his government started to adopt a more aggressive stance promoting policies like taxing the rich and shortening the work week.
Here's the full Trump letter by the way.
>>2380687lol
>>2380697He said the other day they’re too small to actually fight and win, so rather than try to garner support overseas he just complains that people are focusing on Palestine instead of Chagos.
>>2380701no but if you have nothing to offer but moralist condemnations, then you should genuinely just shut your mouth
>>2380700a real classic strategy if you ask me
https://archive.ph/oQvvX>‘SubwayTakes’ Cut Kamala Harris Interview Because Her Opinion Was Too Weird>Host Kareem Rahma said he felt like it would have cost Harris the 2024 election >In the post-mortem on former Vice President Kamala Harris’ loss to Donald Trump in the 2024 presidential election, many errors with the Democratic strategy have been identified. The love for fracking. The warmongering. The cozying up to the billionaire class. An emphasis on celebrity endorsements at the expense of clearly communicated policy plans to improve the lives of working people. A campaign mottled by the likely-senile Joe Biden. The bucket of screw-ups runs deep. >But something that the Pod Save America fellas missed in their hindsight assessment of the Democratic Party’s commitment to failure was an interview with Harris that never actually made it to the internet. In an interview that’s now gone viral on TikTok with Steven Bertoni for Forbes, Kareem Rahma — the creator and host of the popular social media show SubwayTakes — revealed that there’s an unaired episode featuring Harris. It was so bad and so weird that Rahma feared at the time that he would be blamed if Harris lost the election.>“What happened with Kamala?” Bertoni asked Rahma. >“Her take was really confusing and weird and not good, and so we mutually agreed we shouldn’t publish it,” Rahma said.>The entire idea was presented by the DNC — both Tim Walz and Harris wanted to film episodes of SubwayTakes as part of their digital campaign. It was ostensibly a smart move; SubwayTakes has over 1.2 million followers on Instagram, and a million on TikTok. Clips regularly go viral. It’s a great way to reach a lot of young people on the internet. But Rahma explained that the episode with Harris never aired. “I got lucky, because I didn’t want to be blamed for her losing,” Rahma said. >“It was that bad?” Bertoni asked.>“It was really, really bad and it was… It didn’t make any sense, I can tell you that,” Rahma replied.>The controversial take in question? “It was ‘bacon is a spice.’ Bacon is a spice,” Rahma explained. >What does that mean? It’s really anyone’s guess, as we don’t — and likely never will — have the footage of the full conversation. But for the record, 100 percent disagree. Bacon is not a spice. It’s a meat that can be used as a topping but not a seasoning. Duh. >“Do you think that was her opinion, or do you think she got like a research group to try and figure something out,” Bertoni asked in a longer version of the clip. >“Research group, because originally the take that I was pitched was great,” Rahma replied. “It was that she does not like to take her shoes off on airplanes.” >That’s fun! Normal, just controversial enough to merit debate, but something that will bring people together in conversation. Agree or disagree, that’s a take people can understand. Instead, Harris arrived with the hard to parse, disappointing, ultra uninspiring and kind of embarrassing take few people would relate to. >You know what? Maybe the Pod Save America guys already did have this conversation. >>2380775genuinely why is this
on paper the senate and the house of representatives should be full of young faces ever 6ish years
>>2380816Call of Duty's peak of popularity was like a fucking decade and a half ago, dude.
I know it's shitty for a core inhabitant to tell this to someone from the periphery, but you legitimately have no idea what you're talking about and don't understand this place at all. You've visibly fallen for hollywood/imperial propaganda but from the other side
>>2380860Pretty much. The quality of posting here has degenerated so massively that it's basically just a bunch of bored losers making death threats at each other.
I do not understand the people here who continue to try and make effortposts. Your effort would be better appreciated elsewhere.
>>2380874noooooo stop helping people
you must be an edgy nihilist like me
>>2380865>I do not understand the people here who continue to try and make effortposts. Your effort would be better appreciated elsewhere.Honestly, there's no where else for me to go to discuss what I want to discuss.
>>2380879>>2380881The problem isn't rules, it's that the mods don't care about enforcing the rules. And it's not just the "Modocracy", either. It's that everybody here takes the bait and engages the trolls instead of ignoring them.
>>2380741You won’t find me using the phrase “oppressed” cause I find it a useless descriptor pushed by con artists who just want to scam you. It’s always some “woe is me” act.
>>2380800Your entire ideology is built on hyperbole. I deal with the same shit from right wing petitioners out here all the time; you say you ain’t gonna sign some petition to oppose affordable housing and it’s all “oh, so you just want homeless drug addicts to murder kids, do you?!” It isn’t my job to take your claims even remotely seriously.
>>2380801Yeah, third worldists are hypocritical pussies. They’ll go on about how everyone else needs to be sodomized with razors and then you say “okay go fuck yourself” and they start crying like Denzel in Glory.
>>2380638not really. soviet strategy was exporting grain. Chinese strategy is exporting manufactured goods.
Chinese strategy was closer to what the other east asian tigers did
>>2380962>>2380960I find it funny how he can become mayor but not president
I would imagine th ban would apply across the board
>>2380958if I recall, the solid demographic base of trump was the white men. One could only wish they finally see that the zion don con represent a group of people, indistinct of their skin color, that it's not interested in defending their interests as "white men", but rather the interests of the rich.
also, hopefully that "shrinking" of trump's base, props a critical mass inside the US, that can be absorbed by meaningful parties, and not more coning.
>>2380986"Brazil is not the USA's backyard, long live BRICS"
"Take advantage and remove the American embassy from Brazil."
"Brazil is sovereign, Trump, leave us alone."
"Take Bolsonaro and his gang to your house!"
>>2380865Yeeeeah, at this point I’m thinking of taking another break from here; the constant third worldist whining is getting old, and I don’t really see how you can engage with some of the community on here without coming away deeply hating a lot of people.
Shame cause it’s fun to shitpost now and then when I’m at work.
>>2381007don't be depressed now
I was just shitposting
I in fact like Americans
>>2381011cmon now
did you seriously think one can organise on a fucking imageboard??
>>2381010Not sure who you are my man, but I’m just speaking generally here.
I’ve got a buddy whose mom is dying of cancer; the lady is a saint and so I’ve been spending a while trying to cheer him up and help out. My family is having trouble with bills again, and I’ve got coworkers worried about ICE coming in and taking them from their families. When I first joined CPUSA there was a lot of optimism and hope I hadn’t felt in a long time, but these days it just feels like it gave way to cynicism—and coming on here to doomscroll and here “it’s pointless, give up” ain’t helping
>>2381018Im the chagosman
better times will come
just give Xi some more time, the Chinese-dominated world will be better for sure
>>2381016respected Mr Nazi
Perhaps you have missed my questions in
>>2381008 and
>>2381005 .
I would be greatly pleased if you could tend to my queries.
Aryanisch Greetings,
A non-Aryan
>>2381018Your family is bourgeois
Your gusano coworkers are scabs
Your party is not marxist
>>2381026I have African friends who have PhD in mathematics but ok
what about
>>2381005 ?
>>2380981It's not just random spamming, it's a trolling tactic called "Vampetaço" which is basically spamming naked pictures of a black soccer player called Vampeta. We did the same thing to Varg Vikernes some time ago.
So yeah, Brazilians got Trump to lock his Instagram by posting BBC.
>>2381060she looks hawt man
I wouldn't mind a braindead mega chubby hottie as wife
>>2381005Rurik was a slav. It is proven by the fact that "Rhos" people, according to every source on Byzantines or Germans meeting them, or even Arab travelers, even if they had Scandinavian-sounding names, spoke a Slavonic language. In other words, Scandinavian-sounding names are just a case of "misheard lyrics" - like that Gottlieb chief of Obodrites (who were Slavs), the first ever known holder of that Germanic name - Germans and Byzantines were writing down Slavonic names like they heard them, with a Germanic bias
And in regards calling Rhos scandinavians in the same line as Swedes or Danes or Angles, in those very same sources on this claim Hungarians were placed in the same lineup as Turks
>>2381086his mexican parent may be a criollo or he doesn't think he has any indigenous ancestry or just ignores it
not exactly a dealbreaker for rightoids to be blatantly hypocritical
>>2380915COPE MY WAY INTO SEETHING
THIS IS MY LAST REPORT
SANDINISTA, ALWAYS WINNING
ZOG SO REAL EVEN CHINA'S ADMITTING
WOULD IT BE WRONG WOULD IT BE RIGHT
IF HE BAN EVADED TONIGHT, CHANCES ARE THAT HE MIGHT
LIVING RENT FREE IN MY MIND, AND I'M CONTEMPLATING SUICIDE
>>2381091He's Italian, Irish, and Mexican.
Bro is livin' la vida raza cosmica.
>>2381187Absolutely but to get there you need illegal weapons and we are nowhere near having the capacity to do anything like that. No party in America is. You have to build up those networks for years.
Armed struggle is a long ways down the road. But I agree it starts with sabotage. You use a campaign of sabotage to build up a professional military apparatus. But for now our goal is to use militant non violent tactics to physically and psychologically prepare people for future operations.
>>2381187the American behemoth at this point can only collapse by the fuck ups of its own bourgeoisie. Considering the technological and militaristic aspects, it is impossible for any 'coup'. Mass movements will fail too. The American bourgeoisie rules supreme. They put the CPSU and the British monarchy to shame. The lack of an American left in the Cold War truly killed any hope. Now you can only hope some bad fuck ups happen among the bourgeoisie.
Perhaps the most viable scenario is one where American hillbilly nazis revolt and engage in armed warfare against the feds, and if they happen to be victorious locally, other parts of the country may secede because they do not want the nazi hillbilly rule. In those other parts, hopefully some leftists manage some manoeuvre to grab power. But seriously, that is too fictional. The only hope is American defeat in a world war. But Xi is too chilled for that and Putin loves america too much to do that.
>>2380259If the country's wealth were distributed equally an average person would be x times wealthier.
This makes literally no sense, do they mean the median person? If wealth where distributed in any way inside a country the average person would still have the same wealth.
>>2381233>>2381233>LE REDDIT OWNERINOMedian is a form of average.
this place keeps morphing into reddit
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