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https://woke.net/Epstein's Client List DOES NOT EXIST
https://epsteinsblackbook.com/Previous Threads: >> 2380174
>>2378978>>2381315if its not a big deal, its even more a reason to release the list then
only if it is a big deal it is being covered
>>2381315Feel free to dispute this btw
I just feel that in a world of political hyperreal soymulacras this Epstein shit is the worst soymulacra of all
>>2381318I'm not saying its not a big deal
It's just that a lot of people has this 'oh once we unveil da epztein lizt we will flush out the deep state cia hitler grand bourgeois cabal mossad network from the US' shut your bitch ass up man nobody will do anything
Like if we take Elon's word then the fucking US president is in the list. The only thing he used this information for is to own Trump during a twitter tardfight and prop up his own grifter party
This might as well be the Lewinsky scandal, it had roughly the same political effect
>>2381315The most blatant thing is how it's been years since we learned, without a doubt, past and current sitting presidents hung out on a pedophile island, but we just keep resetting the clock to where are expected to pretend we are learning about this shit again for the first time. I'm seeing people debate on if Epstein killed himself, when it was obvious he did.
They're going to dangle that carrot in front of people for decades at this point, keeping them focused on false reality.
>>2381316Highly doubt that it's the popular view to be "who cares" to Epstein. I mean, just looking at the cultural reaction to it proves you wrong.
So let me get this straight
>survives "suicide" attempt #1
>says it wasn't a suicide attempt, expresses strong will to live, contacts lawyer repeatedly
>explains that they made a roided-out mobbed-up ex-cop Nicholas Tartaglione who committed multiple murders into his cell mate
>the cop says "I was just trying to save him lol"
>the guards tell the cop to stop talking to the press
>Nicholas Tartaglione had a burner phone that was confiscated for some reason
>they put Epstein on suicide watch despite multiple "I wasn't trying to commit suicide!"
>night of "suicide"
>cameras that all cells have facing them "malfunctioned" just for epstein and nobody else during the few crucial minutes where he allegedly hung himself with paper thin sheets that are deliberately meant to not be able to hang yourself with, rather than something more sensible like his med injection ligature
>guards fall asleep while he "hangs himself"
>NYC medical examiner said "uhhhhhhhhhhh suicide"
>different more famous autopsy guy who did JFK, MLK, comes on 60 minutes and says "uhhhhh looks like homocide to me"
>2 presidential admins in a row both with a strong interest in covering this up, as well as multiple heads of state in NATO countries, and royalty
>all evidence magically disappears
>same year epstein dies, the borat guy sacha baron cohen uncovers pedo ring while doing one of his satire TV shows, reports it to FBI and doesn't air the episode
>the FBI doesn't investigate it
>huge flight logs implicating tons of people from donald trump to random anticommunist authors like the guy who said Stalin was a pedo (LOL)
>the presidential admin who has to carefully balance being an insider billionaire while pretending to be an outsider promises over and over again that justice will come on this issue
>after months of stalling, just decides to drop it
>immediately distracts from the issue with other shit and gets pissed when people bring it up.
>>2381446>they automate the "real" jobs too.No you're an idiot, it's never going to be cheaper under capitalism to automate physical labour out of existance.
>People are told from a young age, you must go into 50k debt for college and learn to code, then they do that,<peopleWay to betray your own position of comfort, i guarantee that was never true nor achievable for most of this site.
>>2381456>No you're an idiot, it's never going to be cheaper under capitalism to automate physical labour out of existance.read capital, physical labor is never automated "out of existence" rather the individual physical laborer has his productivity augmented by technology which allows the capitalists to fire some workers and swell the reserve army of labor.
>Way to betray your own position of comfort, i guarantee that was never true nor achievable for most of this site.literally most americans take student loans and go into debt, what are you talking about "it's not achievable to go into debt and pursue a college degree" that's literally what most people due. going into debt is perfectly achievable and that's exactly what society forces people to do. it's either that or get stuck at the grocery store or mcdonalds until you're 60. they outsourced most of the hashtag real productive prole jobs decades ago and even in the trades you have to go to trade school which costs money. guaranteed teenager.
>>2381422Those proper jobs are now Onlyfans prostitutes, pyramid scam entrepreneurs, poison food flipper and plastic trash seller.
>>2381456>it's never going to be cheaper under capitalism to automate physical labour out of existance.It's already happening in the agricultural industry. They have eliminated most farming jobs as 90% of all workers in history used to be agricultural workers. They are fully automating tractor driving as we speak.
>>2381457>Oh poor you, you spent daddy’s money on a worthless piece of paper.going into student loan debt is spending daddy's money? guaranteed imbecile. btw I don't have a white collar job so fuck off. Im just telling you what I see most people my age do which is go into student loan debt whether it's for the "learn to code" meme or medical school or whatever dumb degree they're pursuing. society hammers it into you at the public school level "youll be stuck at wal mart unless you take a student loan." Guidance counselors tell 16 year olds at public high school that it's basically normal to go into student loan debt to get a job that requires a college degree. you think you're going to be examining X rays and diagnosing illnesses then the techbros automate that and then some chump on "lefty" pol tells you "haha should have gotten the based industrial proletariat job that already got outsourced like a real manly man or otherwise gone to trade school which also costs money"
it's just shaming people for being stuck in a dead end system. you're a prick.
>>2381474>You can't define prol<Defines a prol according to MarxBrainlet.
>reserveless worker who must sell his labor power to surviveThat's most americans.
>Meanwhile even the “poor” in America have retirement funds, bank accounts, and at least one or two means of production all of which are made possible by imperialismNo they don't. Also the act of having a bank account does not not make you poor what? Do you also believe that neoliberalism is a thing that works like was claimed?
https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/food-nutrition-assistance/food-security-in-the-us/key-statistics-graphics >>2381461>literally most americans take student loans and go into debt, what are you talking about "it's not achievable to go into debt and pursue a college degree" that's literally what most people due.Do you have a single source for this?
Not an american but i get the impression that this is not even close to true and you're merely trying to universalize your relatively privileged experience.
Do you think unironically that at least half of the people who built your house, who cleans your office, who cooks your just-eats all got degres?
>>2381523The problem with this is that it literally means nothing.
America finds shit tons of rare earth minerals, but how can it promote growth and competition when its productivity and manufacturing levels are too low to harness it?
>>2381538As of 2024 world GDP is $111,33 trillion
US $29,18 trillion
Japan $4,03 trillion
Germany $4,66 trillion
UK $3,64 trillion
France $3,16 trillion
Italy $2,37 trillion
Canada $2,24 trillion
This is a total of $49,28 trillion, or 44,2% of global GDP, concentrated among just 9,7% of the world population. Where are you getting 27% ?
>>2381569Doing it without PPP screws with the measurements a bit. If the same hammer sells for $10 in America but $2 in Japan, if both countries were to produce & sell that hammer, it would raise American GDP by $10, but only raise the Japanese GDP by $2
increase American GDP
>>2381407>"leftypol">1 very sus anonyou and him are in league trying to make a fake consensus so you can take your screenshots back to pol and say something like 'hahaha leftyzog believes epstein kileld himself'
fuck off
>>2381403it's literally the strongest part of the argument. only 1 minute of footage was missing like the other anon said
>>2381607it's literally the same anon coping over and over again while people list the overwhelming evidence that there was fuckery with the camera, with the tartaglione meathead, with the burner phone, with the guards falling asleep, etc. etc.
and then you come in and say "leftypol thinks"
then when I put together that you're polyps probably trying to prove how bluepilled "leftypol" is you suddenly start backpedaling "ok it's not everyone on leftypol thinks the bluepilled but it's a few"
backpedal harder pls. i know how reactoids do on imageboards. they get their little screenshots then go back to their ingroup and say "haha leftypol thinks"
>>2381612"duhhh uhhh i wasn't asserting leftypol thinks what 1 guy thinks uhmmmmm meds"
backpedal complete. thanks
Trump did not release list because "innocent" people would be caught up in it and people wouldn't understand
Bill is a conservative talk show host who has been friends with trump for decades
https://xcancel.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1943335124227043374#m>>2381474meanwhile china, the leader of the multipolar free world, actually acknowledges how fucked normal burgers are instead of doing this weird moralizing where the burger working at wal mart is just as guilty of killing palestinians as the CEO of raytheon.
>>2381620A young Bill O Reilly was supposedly about to interview George De Mohrenschildt when he shot himself. George De Mohrenschildt of course being the bourgeois Russian exile who was friends with both George HW Bush and Lee Harvey Oswald. He killed himself after writing CIA director Bush a letter a decade after the JFK assassination begging him for help because he had talked too much about the JFK situation.
>>2381630See
>>2381596Porky's nervous
>>2381627when was hontrapoints ever to the left of Agent Kochinski
she doesn't even pretend not to be a lib
>>2381693bye bye loser!!!!!! *retires in spain while all the losers who can't afford golden visas get sent to the concentration camp*
i'm especially mad cause i'm related to one of these pieces of shit (no she won't let me in)
>>2381690broken clock. the USA
is fascist. has been for a while
>>2381687Lowkey they were right hahaha. I do think it's a generational thing, where the most active are older black people, and they tend to be jaded. Since shit like Jessie Jackson ended up in failure, so they would prefer to have some say, so they back whoever might win. That's why they waited for Obama to win IOWA/NH before they gave him a shot.
>>2381688Governor of the state of Montana I believe. Makes sense.
>>2381725Felix, have you ever shot a gun before?
>>2381726Honestly, can I really be mad. Have been reading/watching about German, Italian, and Russian, and the left flank of these groups fucking suck at taking initiative and doing what is necessary. The only one who had the cajones to do shit was the Bolsheviks and look how that turned out. Don't even need to look at history form that far. Corbyn and Bernie vs Melechon. Two who were too goody two shoes to get down into the mud and one that could.
>>2381681Breakthrough News and Geopolitical Economy Report are great at isolating little "quiet part loud" moments like this. It's a shame most Americans don't seem to understand this shit AT ALL. I try to talk to people about sanctions, embargoes, coups, etc. and it's like I'm speaking in tongues. I even try to "dumb it down" and they're just not interested. But it effects us too. Like we built up this entire "American way of life" that was never that good in the first place on this unsustainable currency hegemony. And now it's being eroded we have nobody but our ruling class to blame, and by extension ourselves for not overthrowing them earlier. But the ruling class is openly coping and seething and giving away the game with little admissions like these, in between all the scapegoating of BRICS, the global south, China, Russia, DPRK, Iran, Palestinians, Venezuelans, Bolivians, Nicaraguans, whatever boogeyman they can cook up.
The funny thing is, apparently NYC-DSA, heart of DSA right flank, basically has a central committee. They don't hold general meetings. They don't allow private group chats. When you join, it's all electoral work. And I respect it. I have begun more and more hate org democracy. Hinders decision making and sometimes is a rubber stamp aka a waste of time.
>>2381741I think when MUG really began to push. Like I said, not really in DSA just suddenly got a wave of DSA right people shitting on the DSA left so I began to look into it. But yeah the left I think is in control by the thinnest hair and that is why the right is so angry. Can't insult their goddess AOC
>>2381743>accelerate the conditions for revolutionYou are too optimistic
>Dems really go through with the plan of kicking out the DSA entirelyI don't see how. US doesn't have a formal party system, so anyone can run on Democratic line. Will say, they might bring back the DCCC ban on any org that helps primary an incumbent.
>>2381757Huh
>>2381758Revolution is too optimistic. MUG does weirdly want to abolish the constitution, so who knows
Getting some experience on the team with the donation money.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/09/nyregion/mamdani-communications-jeffrey-lerner.htmlZohran Mamdani powered his way to an upset in the Democratic primary for mayor of New York City with the help of a small clutch of loyalists. Now, as he turns to the general election, he is taking the first steps to expand his orbit.
Mr. Mamdani will announce on Wednesday that he has hired Jeffrey Lerner, a former political director of the Democratic National Committee and senior Senate aide, to serve as his new communications director. Mr. Lerner, 47, also once worked for Mr. Mamdani’s primary rival, former Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo.
Andrew Epstein, who had been overseeing both news and social media for the campaign, will shift into a new role as its creative director, overseeing a team producing the kind of viral narrative videos that helped catapult Mr. Mamdani past his opponents in the primary.
Deandra Khan, a top operative at Local 32BJ SEIU, also recently joined the campaign’s political operation.
“We are growing, we are maturing as a campaign,” Mr. Epstein, 38, said, indicating that more hires were expected in the coming weeks.
Mr. Lerner, a Democratic campaign veteran, was most recently a managing director at Actum, a political consulting and lobbying firm. In the Obama White House and at the D.N.C., he worked closely with Patrick Gaspard, a senior party official who has played a growing role advising Mr. Mamdani.
Mr. Lerner, who lives in Washington, said he had reached out to the campaign to offer his services after Mr. Mamdani’s primary victory. He said that the candidate had “reshaped the political conversation in New York City, and indeed, the nation,” and called him “New York City’s most savvy socialist.”
He served as Mr. Cuomo’s communications director in 2007 during Mr. Cuomo’s first year as New York’s attorney general. In an interview, he said accounts of his former boss’s abrasive style were accurate in his experience and suggested he would talk more about that in the future.
“I learned a lot about him as a prosecutor, a politician and person,” he said. “At this time, I have nothing to add to the wealth of reporting that accurately captures what it’s like to work for Andrew Cuomo.”
>>2381763Theoretically, you could make an amendment that says "This amendment nulls everything prior to this amendment and a new constitution to replace it". Where in the document does it say you can't do that lmao
>>2381768Marxist Unity Group
>>2381681They have to. So many porkies bought the fake propaganda they have no idea how the real economy works anymore and need a reality check.
>>2381749>like I'm speaking in tongues>and they're just not interested.For may people detailed explanations about countries they know nothing and have no connection to is like a boring lesson they tune out.
Make it part of a story of rich snob American capitalists who hate them and are working on tightening the noose over their neck so there is no escape.
>>2381811The DSA as it stands is more like the social democratic movements prior to the first world war. The type Engels and Marx believe had revolutionary potential.
When you look at socdem parties, like the Labour Party or the SPD, there are genuine socialist caucuses but they are small, have no influence and are a detriment. The DSA have multiple caucuses, they're all socialist to varying degrees, and they have influence in congresses and party elections etc.
>>2381801Uhhh, don’t know. Apparently the right is stacking the deck to make it easier for them to get it through. But who knows.
>>2381806I’m not 100% sure. Like I said I only recently got interested from afar, helped I was reading about SocDem parties and their different factions and how it’s eerily similar
>>2381832kill them all
total robocide now
thou shalt not make a machine in the image of a human mind
destroy the abominable intelligence
dig up ned ludd, we have another task for him
>>2381838>>2381839>>2381857>ummm just uninvent the tech now!!! do the meme from muh epic sci fi bookhas literally
never happened in history
>ummm just do the epic luddismfailed as a strategy and marx remarks in vol 1 why it failed and why not to repeat it.
we live in a country where retards are literally doing epic "bUtLeRiAn jIhAd!" on the weather radars. China will be curing cancer and building fusion reactors and some of you will be complaining about how tech is bad lol
>>2381880ok so what if people don't like ai and don't use it
(the bourgeoisie will still use it as a weapon against us to replace our labor, thus making the use of ai an artifact of class conflict)
>>2381889"machine learning" is less vague
>>2381892those robots are trained learning machines, they don't preprogram in every step the robot can take
>>2381894wrong comment chain, we started here
>>2381832>>2381895I don't know what you want to see happen. China is going to continue using AI and robots
>but muh water bottlesthey make all the solar panels and the sun sends photons for free until billions of years from now
>>2381902>I don't know what you want to see happen. China is going to continue using AI and robotsi get that you think the robots are based because they're in CHYNA, but people should still make an effort to destroy robots owned by western companies
also, water bottles?
>>2381907people talk about how wasteful of energy AI is and they measure it in bottles of water, like "ohhh it took 3 bottles of water for your anime tiddies to get generated"
> but people should still make an effort to destroy robots owned by western companiesok then do it. but don't do it for luddism. do it to save the victims of NATO imperialism. destroy the bomb factories. destroy the critical infrastructure supplying the imperialists. not because you think you will magically bring us back to the 20th century or the 19th century or whatever level of technology you think we'll stay at forever and never change or develop again. there is no putting the thing back in the box once it's out. that's naive. development does go backwards when shit gets destroyed, but it never goes permanently backwards. at worst we're forced to take an alternate tech path. you sound like a knight who's spooked by the appearance of guns right now.
>>2381917it's a nice face
very few american politicians have had nice faces
>>2381913The growth of anti-Israel sentiment in the right has been huge over the last couple of years, but it's starting from a very low base, and still less than on the left.
Under 30s are generally anti Israel across the political divide. It's boomercons that are the last holdouts.
>>2381915>development does go backwards when shit gets destroyed, but it never goes permanently backwards. aI wouldnt say that bucko. The reason why the industrial revolution happened was because of ease access to oil, coal and other resources.
If industrial civilization collapses right now then its gonna be really hard to do another one, since we used up all these ease to use resources.
Their could be alt tech paths but im unsure since they arent as easy as oil coal and etc
>>2381924>If industrial civilization collapses right now then its gonna be really hard to do another one, since we used up all these ease to use resources.Right but we still have records of all the knowledge we gathered. And we're already switching to solar/wind etc. China is leading the charge. someone said earlier ITT that most electricity in california comes from solar. just because we will run out of nonrenewable energy eventually doesn't mean we'll become pre-industrial. you're confusing what I mean by backwards here. What I mean is that even in the worst case realistic scenario (peak oil, peak coal, etc.) we aren't going to literally return to the stone age. Even in global nuclear war aftermath we would still know agriculture, math, writing, etc.
Reactoinaries always fear the future so they want to return to the past, but no matter how hard they try the best they can do is make the present situation shittier. You're never going back to the middle ages or whatever. Even in a really backward situation you're going to a situation that's worse than the current, but still different from the past.
>>2381930and how do reckon that is?
because they participate in electoralism?
>>2381933>Right but we still have records of all the knowledge we gathered.It would depend on the type of collapse. If its a near apocalyptic one, lots of knowledge will be lost. Because the places that store such knowledge will be destroyed.
Some areas may keep it but a lot of areas will lose it. And those areas which lose it will not be great places to live in.
>>2381949thank god
>>2381951if you dont care why are you complaining like a baby?
>>2381935>>2381939Because their view of “socialism” is a petite bourgeois fantasy where the imperial loot from the pervert is distributed more evenly to its pmc constituents. It’s Generalplan Ost on a global scale
>>2381943And where is the GDR now? It immediately became a hotbed of Nazis and liberal counterculture and effectively became a tumor in the side of the Warsaw Pact before reintegrating with the decadent West
>>2381966fantastic point, I forgot that happened.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_Civil_War>social democrat paramilitariesit was a different time
>>2381978man i guess if people are going to be forming their political ideology by asking a chatbot, that in itself is depressing to me
this doesn't offset the gigantic amount of unemployment caused by ai though
>>2381966Except social democracy back then meant a different thing. And even more when the reactionary of the moment looks to the brutal colonialism as a model to bring home. The opposition would be dealt with, on the same level of brutality.
Soccdems of the now are keenly aware that the
reactionaries look back to the fall of the USSR and their own rise as class collaborators in chief. The good left that would go further than trotskyism and renounce communism entirely. And they would love to go back to that. European socdems can't stop themselves for a moment, coddling the right and neoliberalism, and fantasizing about their role to play after the fascists finally take over.
>>2382092i'm an atheist and dedicated materialist, you on the other hand are an amalgam of liberal, nazi and judeo-christian ideology filth
>brazil has been involved in one war since 1945 and it was during the US-led fascist coup governmentebin
>>2382151I have not tried a go fund me, and shit there's more I can "do."
Unless GoFundMe can get me $5,000 Usd in less than 13 days then we're screwed, but realistically there's no guarantee they won't be corrupt and try evicting us due to multiple complaints too.
>>2382185it's not even that, they just refuse to believe there christians there
they think there's only christians in israel
>>2382209why would we be against the conditions for rising left oppositions
thank GOD for neoliberal retards
>>2381928I'm guessing this means he was a habitual fucker of [insert any word you want] and she feels this would dishonor her marriage to stay with him.
In other news, 4chan is having a meltdown with Trump and Epstein. Gentlemen, I feel we are on the precipice of a Gigantic Cluster Coitus.
Something possibly to do with the middel east (tm).
I'm scared.
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