/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Can the problems facing communist movement be solved by abandoning Leninism and the totalitarism state it created? After all its revisionism from Marxism.

>>2617248
Trot detected.

What is reaction?

>>2617578
Based.

>>2617578
Trying to maintain former status quo.

Why is national socialism considered right wing and international socialism left wing? Shouldnt it both be left wing, or globalism even right wing? A global state controlled by a single entity doesn't sound very lefty to me and at the other hand, federal states, peserving their existence seens lefty to me. As example, if we want to preserve palestine, we fight for nations to exist. If we dont care about nations, getting rid of palestine would be in our interest.
Please help sorting my thoughts, I'm lost.

>>2620536
it all depends on how you define political orientation.
political signification is about vibes (e.g. virtue and vice signalling) which rules by connotation, rather than denotation.

>>2620536
Why are you acting like nazism didn't happen?

>>2488406
Using the em dash is the same using ellipsis. Except when you use the ellipsis no one knows that you are using AI to craft your screed.

>>2620536
>getting rid of palestine
There's your problem.

What do you mean by getting rid off?

Do you accept Shaggy's apology?
I personally don't because America never recovered from McCarthyism.

What is the best current country to live in from the perspective of causing less harm to the global proletariat, safety, and social support

What is reaction?

When will they release me from capture? It’s really dark in here…

>>2624763
kek

>>2624785
Its okay hes in my house rn

>>2624664
You

why do MENA jews let euro jews be racist to them? don't they understand that they're second class citizens in "israel?"

Idk if this is a best place to ask but im starting a political theory club irl

Any recommendations?

Do humans have free will or is our every action, thought and decision predetermined?

>>2624910
Based. Remember to feed him and dance with him if he feels bored.

Is mayonaise bourgeois?

>>2630363
it's impossible to know and also irrelevant. I lean towards "no" because there is no proof free will exists, and the people making positive claims have to provide proof. What we see in reality is that the brain is a machine. If you damage or change that machine, or put it in a different environment, it behaves differently. What people call "choice" or "free will" is just the interaction of a brain with an environment. It only appears "free" because it is highly unpredictable and context sensitive. But that doesn't make it free. It just makes it highly unpredictable and context sensitive.

Free willers cope that determinists are against holding people responsible for their actions. Holding people responsible for their actions is socially determined. It has nothing to do with whether we believe in free will or not. If John murders children, and nobody finds out, he is not held accountable for his actions. If John murders children, and people find out, and collective evidence, and hold a trial, and find him guilty he is held accountable for his actions. If John murders children, and people find out the children were murdered, but blame the wrong guy, Jeff, and lynch Jeff instead of John, Jeff is held accountable for John's actions. So "responsibility" is not about free will, but about collective reaction to events. If you do bad things, it doesn't mean you had free will, it just means you have a shitty brain that does bad things, and the other brains in society are going to do something about it. Whether that means putting you on trial, throwing you in jail, lynching you, executing you, exiling you, shunning you, slapping you on the wrist, fining you, torturing you, taking your property, giving you a stern talking to, rehabilitating you, etc. is entirely besides the point.

>>2630403
The second point seems to avoid the point rather than addressing. When free will advocates are talking about holding people accountable they are not talking about whether we can judge people but about whether it is ethical to do so. The closest thing to your position would be saying that ethics does not matter, and we should just as ascribe to whatever the local community hold to be the appropriate punishment (or whether punishment should be meted out) for regulating law and order, albeit i do think this is a hard sell to tell to Leftists, some of whom are motivated by concerns about police brutality and wrongful imprisonment

>>2630363
Free will implies self reflection. A rare good.

>>2630396
Mayonnaise isn’t bourgeois, it’s dialectical. One egg, one oil, endlessly redistributing itself across class lines.

Will there still be anime under communism?

>>2631087
yes, but not the same anime, because anime is so deeply shaped by its mode of production that any change to it would have profound impact

>>2630363
depends what you call "free will"
most people think of it as "freedom to make a decision based on your personal preference and judgment" but that doesnt mean they imply people choose their preference and judgment or bend the rules of physics with their soul or smth
any materialist (and everyone serious is a materialist these days, because empirical evidence have proved them right) will gladly admit the world is a long chain of cause and consequences and if you knew all about the starting point you could theoretically predict all the future (well quantum mechanics fuzzed that a bit with the stochastic nature of reality, but that doesnt make anyone anymore free because most people dont think dice rolls are free will anyway)

>>2629895
I wouldnt ask this here, I would make a thread on either leftypol, edu or labor (or maybe all 3)

>>2630450
you got the completely wrong takeaway from my post. The point is that "free will" is just a metaphysical cope to transform "responsibility" for actions into an "objective reality" like a physical law rather than a social ritual, which it is. Those who try to to get to the bottom of reality to see whether "Free will" really exists forget the ideological reason humans invented the idea of free will in the first place: To hold each other responsible as a social ritual. It doesn't matter whether "Will" even exists or is truly "Free" what matters is that humans get together to pretend it's real in order to punish each other for being born with shitty malfunctioning brains.

I cannot believe i am just learning about lefty pol how long has this site been up?

Can I even associate myself with leftism and be a transgendah at the same time? It feels like they're very opposed to each other and most of you guys probably don't like people like me.
Also most of the capitalist parties that pretend to be socialist in name only are also hellbent on more immigration which means more people that hate me with religious fervor, some of this has to be by design, it's just too easy to divide people by bringing in others with completely different beliefs and languages.
But anyway am I supposed to be a fascist or something? I'm not really suicidal enough to usher in my own death, but it seems like that's where all roads lead.

>>2636254
Wtf are you talking about?
There is nothing stopping trans people from holding any political positions and in fact there's actually a disproportionately high number of trans people in communist movements partially because they are at the sharp edge of the harms capitalism and fascism are causing.
Leftists are overwhelmingly socially progressive these days. That said you should remember there's nothing inherently revolutionary about being trans. The reason they target you is to distract from class issues.
Also there's a lot of trans obsessed social reactionary NazBolites & Duginites who LARP as MLs such as the ACP, KKE, CPB, CPGB-ML and you should avoid them like cancer.

>>2634656
2014 for the board, but not this website specifically. 8chan (make-your-own board site, so just one boards of many) -> bunkerchan (our own site, but the admin stopped bothering doing admin stuff) -> here.

>>2636284
>Wtf are you talking about?
like 90% of the leftists I've talked to are either very socially conservative and would rather my head on a stake or think I'm some revolutionary gender binary destroying thing like you mentioned.
Essentially I just don't know what to do about basically all socially progressive groups (mostly in euro countries) advocating for bringing in a bunch of socially conservative people. I feel like supporting anyone is just advocating to be killed or even further marginalized in the future.

Does anyone have a brief explanation of ground rent according to Marx? I understand the concept that it has no value according to SNLT and so can be thought of as a sort of extra surplus value extraction on behalf of those who have the land. What confuses me surrounds this notion of financialization of this extraction. I find it difficult to understand how there can be a price without value, especially when it comes to varying these prices based on what can be extracted from the workers. It seems like a sort of "necessary" scam - meaning fees must be collected by some organization to insure resources are allocated correctly.

>>2638413
>a price without value
i mean interest is the same thing, no?

You're charging interest not because there is any labor, you're just charging people for permission to use your money.

Same with ATM withdrawl fees. Despite it requiring less labor than a bank teller, they charge your more for "convenience."

>>2638413
Something that has further encouraged me is this idea that because originally property was the commons, or else so much of it was.

>>2638454
>i mean interest is the same thing, no?
>you're just charging people for permission to use your money
Perhaps land like money has a function even though it's without value (even use value). Money functions as a scale to estimate the ratio of SNLT in different commodities while ground rent serves to insure the allocation of some scarce environmental resources. However it should be noted that point is not to preserve these scarce resources, the point is to maximize exploitation without regard to externalities, and only up until the point where it is no longer worth the SNLT to exploit it. It's also worth noting that there are many resources which are not priced and have no value yet such a mechanism could allow us to better exploit finite resources - like air, like water, like noise, and community cohesion. I guess creation of new financial products is always a culturally determined extension of the economic system.

This still doesn't give completely the confidence one wanted to have.

What is fascism?

given that there can never be any kind of revolution in a developed country, what are western leftists even supposed to do? just argue online forever? live in a hut in the woods? kill ourselves?

>>2639767
>given that there can never be any kind of revolution in a developed country
Wat

What does you people think of the book "Neurosis and civilization: a Marxist/Freudian synthesis" of Michael Schneider?

>>2640823
i think they just have too much military power, if you tried anything they'd squash you like a little bug or more likely sick their yankee pitbull on you

>>2640823
Well, you can never say never, but where has there been a socialist revolution in a developed country?

Is there room in left of capital politics for pacifists? Imagine someone who can't even stand retaliations outside of authentic in the moment self-defense.

>>2641609
would you consider Germany in 1918 developed?

>>2641612
>Is there room in left of capital politics for pacifists? Imagine someone who can't even stand retaliations outside of authentic in the moment self-defense.
I'm also struggling more generally with how something like the Civil War and WW2 can be considered just, while virtually everything else since an endeavor to make hell on earth. I'm thinking perhaps what unifies these two examples is that war was capable of resolving pressing material oppression - rather than a value judgement. The record is just so damningly bad in terms of material results, and that we are responsible: 2 million dead in one, open slave markets in another, dramatic decline in material conditions for women yet another, that one is tempted to abandon the entire mechanism all together. Anyway does that sound valid?

>>2641626
not even comparable to the developed countries of the 21st century

>>2641858
But then multipolaroids say that Germany is desindustrialised. So which is it lmao