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Not reporting is bourgeois


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Previous thread: >>2177902

Dump all the seemingly pointless, dubious, and frivolous questions that don't deserve their own shitty threads.

Got a question that's probably been asked a million times before? You're in the right landfill, buddy. Post it here.

Threads that otherwise might go in here will eventually find themselves become merged to this thread.
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>>2450273
You've probably already read them since they're pretty big names but I like Langston Hughes and Bertolt Brecht. Examples:
https://the-masses.org/2024/01/21/special-release-lenin/
and
https://www.marxists.org/archive/brecht/works/1935/questions.htm

>>2450880
It lends legitimacy to the bourgeois system. If you're going to vote for a party, make it one that openly rejects the current order. But such parties are explicitly banned in most western liberal democracies.

Why continental philosophy is so popular among left leaning people?

Where did "no one is coming to save us, we are the ones we've been waiting for?" come from?

>>2458070
Because analytical philosophy is popular among right leaning people. There is somewhat of a split in intellectual traditions, although it should be noted it's not like continental philosophy doesn't have influence over capitalism either.

>>2486177
>analytic philosophy is popular with the right
give examples

How do I argue with someone using the "arab rape gang" argument to me when he says we need to control the arab population to stop immigration?

It's fucking insane but I don't know enough to combat it, I just know it's based in far-right rhetoric.

What was the ruling class of USSR? What about the rest of class structure? How do you even define a class of people?

>>2487079
i would say a basic definition of class is the claim over property and the manner of political exception one experiences. for example, capitalists arent just rich, but also immune from imprisonment. if a bureaucrat similarly has immunity from the law, then that showsva power they possess which others dont.

>>2487120
Was politburo over the law? Who made the laws? And most importantly who owned the means of production?

>>2487171
>The Soviet Union's legal system was subordinate to the Soviet Communist Party. Legislation was debated and approved by party leaders, then passed to the Supreme Soviet for approval. The court system ensured party control over judicial decisions. Judges were selected by party officials and were usually party members. The procuracy, a nationwide organization, ensured law enforcement and reported to the party leadership.
>After the revolution, the regime placed itself above the law, granting the Communist Party head powers similar to the tsars. The government replaced elected officials, suppressed opposing speech, and eliminated suspected enemies without trial. The New Economic Policy in 1921 restored the legal basis for the economy, but Stalin later ended it, asserting central control. Soviet law became a tool for implementing party policy and economic planning.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Soviet-law
more information concerning structue:
>The government was led by a Chairman, commonly referred to as "Premier" by outside observers. The chairman was nominated by the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU) and elected by delegates at the first plenary session of a newly elected Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union. High government officials, such as first deputy premiers, deputy premiers, government ministers, or heads of state committees or commissions, were chosen by the premier and confirmed by the Supreme Soviet.
>After the promulgation of the 1936 Constitution, under Stalin, the Council of People's Commissars was defined as the Soviet government and the "highest executive and administrative organ of state power". However, at the same time, the Constitution also stripped the Council of People's Commissars of its ability to enact laws, and instead confined it to issuing "decrees and regulations on the basis and in execution of the laws currently in force". Legislative power was shifted to the Supreme Soviet and its Presidium, who alone could alter laws, having replaced the Congress of Soviets and the Central Executive Committee respectively.
>Lenin had sought to create a governmental structure that was independent of the party apparatus. Grigory Zinoviev, however, maintained that the Politburo was the principal body of the state, and from Stalin’s tenure until Mikhail Gorbachev’s, there existed an informal system of government by which appointment of People's Commissars came to be made by the Political Bureau (Politburo) of the Communist Party’s Central Committee, and ratified later by the Council of People's Commissars.
https://www.marxists.org/history/ussr/government/index.htm

>>2487198
So you can describe top party leadership as a separate class from rest of society as they both control all property and are above law?

>>2487204
i would certainly say so.

>>2487277
Or just focus on rapist problem instead of innocent people that are 99% of this population.

>>2381106
The difficulty I experience in relating to my parents is rooted not merely in personal incompatibility, but in the structural and ideological conditions that shape our consciousness. My parents, products of a STEM-oriented, capitalist milieu, operate within a worldview that valorizes technical expertise, market logic, and small-liberal pragmatism. Their positions as business owners situate them firmly within the apparatus of the bourgeois order, reproducing its norms, values, and hierarchies in daily life.

In contrast, my trajectory has been shaped by a humanistic and aesthetic sensibility, cultivated through the study of the humanities and photography, alongside a critical consciousness informed by Marxist theory. My intellectual and ethical orientation challenges the premises of capitalist production and the commodification of labor that my parents embody. As a result, our interactions are marked by an irreconcilable tension: their pragmatic, profit-oriented reasoning clashes with my critique of the socio-economic structures they implicitly defend.

The emotional discomfort I experience—the sense of claustrophobia and alienation in their presence—reflects a deeper phenomenon of ideological alienation. Just as the worker is estranged from the products of their labor under capitalism, I find myself estranged from the ideological and cultural “products” of my upbringing. Their worldview, shaped by the imperatives of capital and technical rationality, renders invisible the values, desires, and meanings that animate my own existence. The gulf between us is thus not merely generational or personal, but structural: it is a reflection of the ways in which class, ideology, and the relations of production mediate human relationships, even within the family.

In this sense, my rebellion is not a mere affective response, but a dialectical assertion of an alternative subjectivity—a refusal to subsume my consciousness under the imperatives of capitalist rationality and a commitment to cultivating forms of being and expression that challenge and transcend the ideological contours of my parental milieu.

>>2450880
there is no problem with voting for socdems individually, but it shouldnt be the aim of your political action and rhetoric, because they will never bring about socialism (either because they will betray the cause, or the system will prevent them from doing anything radical, or they will get couped), and entering an electoralist logic will cause your party to become a bunch of opportunist who will compromise and betray to get positions or small concessions and loose its connection and popularity with the masses. Can clearly be seen with some of the old euro communists parties (in france for example, where they're not even the most radical left anymore and lost all their supports and principles)

>>2486189
most rapes by far are done by relatives and closes ones, and arabs rapists are still a tiny minority of arabs, so focusing on immigration to stop rape is just anti immigrant policy rather than anti rape policy. Also notice how the people pushing this usually dont care about rape committed by locals and dont support actual anti rape policy (like dedicated training for police, sexual education and such)

>>2487198
why the fuck would you quote britannica on the soviet union

>>2488288
>>2488498
I'll bring that up next time. The that was arguing it with me is a "centrist" obsessed with maintaining western culture and said he voted for Trump because he said any damage caused to the country would be worth it to stop Muslim immigrants and trans people.

>>2488883
The guy that was arguing it*

>>2488883
that guy aint a centrist, that sounds like a straight up alt/far right retard

Is ziggerism and multipolaroids just "communists" coping about how they don't have a successful strategy for service based liberal economies?

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When did you realize he was a chud?

>>2491028
nope, there is actually two kind of supporter of multipolarity
there are the nationalist and national porkies of the periphery, who have understood that the west empire will try to keep them down to keep their advantages and exploit the rest of the world, and support multipolarity because breaking the hegemony is in their interest, and they are anti imperialist out of pure immediate self interest
then there are the actual communist, they are actually understanding that building communism is a world historical process, and that nobody build a revolution in a vacuum, but in a real national and global context, and in the west, the context of being part of the hegemonic anticommunist US led empire still exploiting the world is crucial to understanding the situation and is the primary obstacle to revolution and socialism

ofc, a lot of morons pretend to be leftist but actually suck up to the west empire and spend their energy spreading its propaganda and attacking its enemies and concepts challenging the status quo, and even here come shit up threads and troll in a pathetic attempt to defend imperialism "from the left". I suspect you're one of them

Are there pathways to dechudden yourself?
When I was younger, I was a socialist, but I shifted to ethnic nationalism over time. I've seen a few leftists become more leftist, but I've never seen a dirty rightoid switch camps. Why is this an unidirectional development?

>>2491949
>dechudden
>When I was younger, I was a socialist, but I shifted to ethnic nationalism over time
<a chud is a cannibal
<"When I was younger, I ate prey animals, but I shifted to eating my own kin over time"
True Crime liberals talk about those Donner Party settlers who got stuck in a snowstorm and resorted to cannibalism…I think God is more concerned with their murder and selfish theft of property! God might forgive the most horrifying taboo, but he has clearly commanded against such things as burying of bodies under hastily piled snow. Cannibalism is a terrible thing if you're starving…but petite bourgeois mindset capitalists are simply satanic and unforgivable

>>2491949
>but I've never seen a dirty rightoid switch camps.
Happens a lot. In fact, it's a big source or antifa intel. IIRC Lovecraft was a famous example.

*of

/leftypol/ and dirtbag left places like Hexbear have plenty of ex-chuds. I wasn't once of them but many of my online friends were lolberts or US rightoids in their teen or young adult years and are communists now.

Who is/was the worst poster on all of /leftypol/?

>>2491949
i was a NEET and drifted into chinletism. then i got a job and started working with people, became more social, had better mental health.

>>2492030
It's not talked about much but a few years ago Jeff Schoep, former leader of the National Socialist Movement, renounced Nazism and racism altogether. As far as American neo-nazis go that guy was kind of a major name in the late 00's

>>2497138
Why some many NEETs are rightoid? I doens't make sense, they would clearly defend anti-work and UBI.

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in terms of reading marx (beginner):
- on the jewish question (1844)
- german ideology chapter 1 (1844)
- communist manifesto (1848)
- eighteenth brumaire (1852)
- grundrisse, introduction (1857)
- grundrisse, fragment on machines (1858)
- zur kritik preface (1859)
- theories of surplus value chapter 4 (1863)
- value, price and profit (1865)
- capital vol. 1, prefaces, chapters 1-11, 19, 26-33 (1867)
- marx-engels letter, 11 december (1869)
- marx-meyer letter, 9 april (1870)
- civil war in france (1871)
- critique of the gotha programme (1875)
- marx-zasulich correspondence (1881)
- capital vol. 2 preface (1885)
- capital vol. 3 preface, chapters 1-3, 8-10, 13-14, 25, 36, 48, 52, supplement by engels (1894)

>>2497155
its not logical, but here are some thoughts based on my experience.
society says wealth = success. being on welfare or unemployed (not in the wealthy sense of living off passive income) means you are a failure. not to mention other reactionary spooks floating around around like man = provider for the family.

the welfare centre is usually designed to break you down.
seeing immigrants at the welfare centre. its easier to think these other people are scum and don't deserve it like i do. than thinking hey lets build solidarity.

like i once saw someone come to pick up his welfare in a cab. everyone was like wtf this mf thinks he can roll up in a taxi while everyone takes the bus. but a more logical explanation might be that he was running late, and the penalty for being late to the interview (missing months of potential payments )was worse than taking the hit from getting an expensive taxi. but everyone assumes that guy was cheating or doing something wrong.
being at home a lot, staying online, (algorithms are more likely to promote reactionary content than leftist ones) while drinking heavily leads to reactionism. i heard quite a few people started moderating their beliefs when they slowed the drinking.

>>2499132
if you paid people to work they wouldnt opt for being paid not to work.

>>2497121
Probably me.

How to deal with Marx' racist and antisemitic remarks in his letters to Engels?

>>2499810
You're posting on leftypol. What the hell do you care?

>>2499810
There's nothing to deal with. Marx and Engels lived at a time where racism, race-nationalism and 'race science' were thriving and legitimized, supported by many intellectuals and bourgeois society. Yeah they were somewhat racist especially in their youth but they still supported the abolition of American slavery, opposed antisemitism, etc. They also got less racist as they grew up.

>>2497121
Probably one of the relentless /pol/ spamming schizos. I remember 3 of them:
- The guy who spams the Alunya nudes. He's been ban evading and going at it for several years by now, without explanation.
- Some poster who was called virginia anon or something like that. It was a nazi who always typed in a broken format and used the same poorly edited pics as justification for his ideology, and always argued in bad faith. He spent years coming here but eventually disappeared.
- The thing noticer: The guy whose posts were 99% random twitter nonsense you'd never heard of. He disappeared too.

>>2499986
I miss checkers

>>2499958
same goes for Nietzsche btw

Good leftist podcasts? I like Blowback and Radio War Nerd.

>>2502559
sublation media
why theory

Why is anarchism labeled left wing? Since it's literally the opposite of total state control, shouldn't it be right wing's paradise?

>>2497155
Because liberal centrism failed and people are looking for something else.

>>2502972
from the foundations of anarchism you get reactionaries like proudhon and bakunin who wanted to exterminate jews. later, bordiga says that many of the fascists were ex-anarchists and syndicalists themselves.

Does party serve the state or does the state serve party?

>>2503824
state power serves the party, and therefore the interests of the class that dominates the party, but from an outside perspective the party appears to be the state

>>2504091
Class instinct

>>2504091
Irony poisoning

>>2504091
This phenomenon really needs a meme name.


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