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Dump all the seemingly pointless, dubious, and frivolous questions that don't deserve their own shitty threads.

Got a question that's probably been asked a million times before? You're in the right landfill, buddy. Post it here.

Threads that otherwise might go in here will eventually find themselves become merged to this thread.

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I'm thinking of reading Marx in the follow order: Capital 1 > Civil War in France > Gotha

Those are the latest work of which Marx wrote before passing away, in my head those are the mature works full fledged works of him

>>2382506
I'd go in the exact reverse order. Gotha is quickly read, capital is big and hard theory

>>2383894
I think Capital should be the first

any good books on the history of social democracy and how it's changed over decades?

I understand being anti-police, but I'm trying to figure out how things would be handled without them. Would a different type of law enforcement take over that isn't necessarily police? I genuinely want to know, this isn't some gotcha.

>>2384879
History of the Three Internationals by William Z. Foster
The Internationale by R. Palme Dutt
The Death of Social Democracy by Ashley Lavelle

How will the pedophile question be solved under Gommunizma

>>2392136
Preventing child molestation in the first place, and should that fail, various forms of psychotherapy and treatment up to chemical castration should it be necessary

How would a planned economy work for a consumer economy?

>>2392234
Planning based around consumer trends I guess?

Did Lenin ever have acne?

>>2392466
They didn't call it acne back then, they called it face devils.

How do I get e-mail list of GOP and MAGA supporters to send crypto scams too?

Materialist explanation for suicide?

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my boss admitted to me she doesn't know what I do all day and doesn't care as long as things don't fall apart, and that she used chat GPT to write my performance evaluation… are we gonna get socialism just because bosses are too lazy to exploit people?

>>2394843
>exploitation is when the boss is mean to me
leftypols biggest brains

>>2393224
local voter registration data is available online in a lot of states. you can probably find a list of registered republicans.

>>2394846
if the boss isn't even bothering to make sure your work is producing surplus value through its sheer intensity/duration they are basically turning a blind eye to slowdowns and other resistance tactics

>>2394847
Shit niqquh! Thanks.

Why did the Czarist police even bother with arresting and exiling Lenin and other communist to Siberian prisons when it would have been far easier and less hurtful to them to just execute all dissidents on the spot?

>>2394849
Whats a resistance tactic? And isnt a slowdown just a man being tired?

>>2395241
YOU ARE WRONG. YOUR ERROR: Suggesting nobles and communists were exiled for the same reason.
>Why did the Czarist police even bother with arresting and exiling Lenin and other communist to Siberian prisons
Selective exile maintained the illusion of bourgeois law, preventing unified revolt. Dissenting nobles were often exiled while thousands of masses would be murdered. Nobles were exiled to preserve aristocratic unity.
> it would have been far easier and less hurtful to them to just execute all dissidents on the spot?
WRONG. It would have been worse to kill every dissenting noble because they would be made martyrs for masses. Exile served to develop domestic periphery.

How does one learn to think? How to think?

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>>2395534
you have to think about thinking
"reason" (λόγος) is "logos", which becomes "logic"
logic is the structure of the mind therefore
applied logic becomes mathematics and mathematics broaches into natural science. so its all related.

as a test of thinking, we may use hypothetical propositions which test the limits of our thought. once we come into conflict with λόγος we may call this a "contradiction", or a unity of opposition. the "illogical" is therefore the unreasonable, and so is the untrue. as a perfect example, from a sum's own terms, 1+1=2. can we therefore imagine 1+1=3? they say the mind is endless, yet we cannot imagine the impossible. the mind's movement from imagination to reason thus entails considering the structure of thinking itself. the mind thus, is always thinking in its own terms. the art of thinking thus entails a search for truth.

>>2396111
Writing enjoyable prose probably not the biggest priority while being in literal prison.

What exactly is "Communization Theory"?

>>2398521
I can't really describe communization theory without sounding like a shitpost. It urges people to just produce and give away that stuff right in the here and now.

If this is an ML forum why does it allow porn? Didn't ML states ban or curtail porn?

What is your opinion on ICP?

There can be a non marxist socialism? I think would be a good things to have a non marxist socialism for the XXI century, majority of left leaning people think socialism = marxism, I think would be good to have a plurality of socialist views.

>>2404245
Because they were wrong in the ban or curtail of porn, same way their treatment of LGBT, GDR showed this on both cases.

Are marginal employment subsidies just a scam since full-employment under capitalism is impossible? Guess the best you can do is make productive use of the downtime via training and similar initiatives. Its even possible for subsidized internship programs which are careful to avoid shrinking firms to create dead weight loss from job growth being replaced by interns (iirc this happens in Finland, or Walmart). So really probably unprofitable activity is the only option, increasing human capital and the like.

>>2404887
We have the opposite problem. People use the term "socialism" for anything that is not some pure hypothetical version of capitalism, so putting the label "non-Marxist" in front of it still is far too unspecific. You should rather choose another term. And don't use "market" or "democratic" either here, you really have to get more specific than that: Try to come up with a sentence that describes the gist of it and that you can abbreviate to a word that you can pronounce.

>>2407106
We have ample empirical evidence that capitalism everywhere comes with mass unemployment, but we don't have a tight logical proof that capitalism is incompatible with full employment. The argument for unemployment being necessary in capitalism is that the threat of unemployment disciplines labor. But the threat of a more shitty alternative form of employment with enough social stigma would also do the trick. So I do believe that a capitalist state could run a full employment scheme with the state directly employing anyone asking. Such a state could do without requiring a minimum wage in the private sector and it could drastically cut benefits to anyone who isn't very old or disabled without public outcry.

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>>2407192
>But the threat of a more shitty alternative form of employment with enough social stigma would also do the trick.
It's interesting that even among mainstream economists (e.g. excluding MMT, and some post-Keynsian economists) NAIRU (non-accelerated inflation rate of unemployment) seems widely accepted. I'm now skeptical of the notion of non-counter-cyclical attempts to reduce unemployment, that is to reduce unemployment below NAIRU.
Doesn't workfare just reduce the number of discouraged workers (technically not unemployed because they're not seeking work), and specifically low-skill discouraged workers. It isn't an unemployment policy. But then again looking at the labor participation rates we see no positive change following the welfare reform of '96. How is this possible?

>>2408113
>How is this possible?
Suspect this is actually due to demographic change so the 3 million discouraged workers that entered the workforce just so happened to correspond with a flattening of the rate of women entering the workforce and the continued decline of men. (Discouraged workers not being unemployed while technically true, is mostly just technically true.) So what we have is not a reduction in the number of people actively seeking work via workfare but an increase in the labor participation rates after controlling for demographic change. Even still the first claim about not being able to reduce the unemployment rate (which still doesn't include discouraged workers) below NAIRU is probably true.

>>2408113
>>2408140
>NAIRU
Hysterical term. If you wanted to argue for inflation existing at some level of low unemployment, the accurate term would be NIRU; and if you wanted to argue for the existence of an inflation-increasing effect, the accurate term would be NIIRU. The existence of an acceleration rate of the inflation rate would mean something like the inflation rate itself doubling every X days. Of course, you can argue it's technically correct to say NAIRU because your mental model is probably NIIRU and NIIRU implies NAIRU (if the inflation rate does not increase, it can't accelerate either). You can argue like that if you are pure slime.

The US does not follow a policy seeking full-employment, so all your pooping about how they "fail" to reach full employment is besides the point. What the US gov actually does is that it chokes the economy with higher interest rates whenever unemployment gets too low (as seen from the POV of a certain class of people), with the blahblah about reining in inflation the officially stated reason. "Ah, but you see you stupid proles, since it takes a while for the inflation effects to happen we can't actually look at these effects to recalibrate our theory, we'll have to take the unemployment rate as a proxy of the inflation that would come later, sorry bout that, uwu."

>>2408113
NAIRU is retarded (((monetarist))) neoliberal tricknology that should be buried with Milton Friedman's corpse. Anyone who suggests a "natural" rate of unemployment, or who attempts to argue that there is some such, needs to be immediately liquidated as an enemy of humanity.

whats a good way to splice good parts from a youtube video to spread around

>>2408317
Splice, or trim?

If you have a computer then `yt-dlp` to download in full quality, then use handbrake (a convenient wrapper around the legendary ffmpeg software) to trim the clip that you want.

If you want to splice a montage together, download kdenlive for easy video editing.

If Lenin did stand-up, what would his style be?

>>2408519
I don't know why I thought about this
Probably the same as mine, hypothetically. But politics aside, angry white guy? Well, that's no good.
I wonder if he'd tell people to kill themselves. He could be quite polemic, which would be amplified by the medium (standup instead of "respectable" politics).

>>2408140
>>2408287
It seems that inflation is a leading indicator of unemployment rather than the other way around.
And the naming of the article doesn't seem to be too interesting at the moment.

Amusingly the means to reduce NAIRU all seem terrible, because they target increasing the discipline of labor.
Not only that, but they also seem to be based on relatively weak empirical evidence.
The only exceptions seemed to be active labor market policies which improve work-employee fit.
If the idea of "creating jobs" in a noncountercyclic nonstructural way just left we would probably be better off.
Then again maybe we're already doing this.

Is the jewish conspiracy just a retarded down version of bourgeoisie class rule?

best ancom book recs? ive read anarchy, the conquest of bread, anarchism and other essays, the right to be greedy, and industrial society and its future (im not sure if thats widely accepted as ancom but i take it that way). also accepting just communist and just anarchist recs

>>2410951
basically, that and realizing that Israel controls everything


>>2410951
Not exactly. Nazis had a highly idealist view of jews, believing that they had a mystical force tied to objects and ideas, so anything they didn't like could be jewish by proxy.. Jewish finance, jewish bolshevism, jewish art. Likewise a jew could "corrupt" the souls of the aryan people, if a german girl slept with a jewish man she would conserve his malevolent "essence"


>>2411832
>>2411834
thank you kings

>>2411833
Microchimerism

https://www.lesswrong.com/
what do yous think of these guys?

If a person quits the job, is he really a proletarian?

>>2412465
honestly haven't in many years
When I was young and naive I used to frequent for a short period.
They are STEM fags that are dabbling in things they cannot quite grasp.
You need historical consciousness to really grasp the development of the world (which ofc produces the world of thinking/logic and all the rest).
Politically, they are a whole lot of nothing, leftliberal (the standard enlightened w*stoid, we are for good things and against bad things). Things are not ideal, oh they could be a bit better. There is so much to optimize. With the endpoint (just speculating) being: get the engineers and other STEMautists in power.

Now I forgot the joke I wanted to work in: They should more aptly be called "very wrong".
I do not have a list of their greatest hits on hand but their invention of Roko's Basilisk alone qualifies them to stand among such creators of public confusion as the dumbest religious paranoia mongers. An update of Pascal's wager to modern times, so these secular bitches can shit their britches about being hunted by an imaginary almighty being.


>>2414876
wait until he finds out about wage slavery
will the british empire end this, too?

>>2414880
Well the trick is they are the same. In any case, neither has political consciousness beyond that of any child.
Everyone is for good things, it's meaningless.

Is it just me or you could really mistake the new Lex Luthor for Billy Corgan of Smashing Pumpkins?

I'm reading Capital, and I don't really understand the significance of commodity fetishization?
From my understanding, commodity fetishization is when owners and traders of commodities see their value as something inherent to them rather than congealed labour-time, which make sense i suppose.

But assuming that my understanding above is correct, why is it it important? like how does it matter if commodity owners/traders "see" their commodities in that way?

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Can someone with autism powera tell me what flag this I beyond the air freshener? Cheers.

What is the role of digital information including private information in marxist theory? Isnt it a form of capital?

>>2449080
It's the flag of Djibouti

>>2449087
Capital, General Intellect or both
Too tired to be precise on this one but that should be the gist of it

I recently started reading Mayakovsky's communist poetry found on Marxists.org. Can you recommend me some other Marxist/communist or politically left poets?

what is *actually* wrong about electoralism? if a left-wing party was popular, why *wouldnt* you vote for them?

My thread on bioleninsim/biomarxism and egalitarian eugenics where no man or woman shall be left behind was nooked by the bourgeoise janny who doesn't want genetically downtrodden poor folk to genetically survive, upgrade their bloodline and have a stake in society's future. Would anyone like to discuss with me on the incel question?

>>2450273
You've probably already read them since they're pretty big names but I like Langston Hughes and Bertolt Brecht. Examples:
https://the-masses.org/2024/01/21/special-release-lenin/
and
https://www.marxists.org/archive/brecht/works/1935/questions.htm

>>2450880
It lends legitimacy to the bourgeois system. If you're going to vote for a party, make it one that openly rejects the current order. But such parties are explicitly banned in most western liberal democracies.

Why continental philosophy is so popular among left leaning people?

Where did "no one is coming to save us, we are the ones we've been waiting for?" come from?

>>2458070
Because analytical philosophy is popular among right leaning people. There is somewhat of a split in intellectual traditions, although it should be noted it's not like continental philosophy doesn't have influence over capitalism either.

>>2486177
>analytic philosophy is popular with the right
give examples

How do I argue with someone using the "arab rape gang" argument to me when he says we need to control the arab population to stop immigration?

It's fucking insane but I don't know enough to combat it, I just know it's based in far-right rhetoric.

What was the ruling class of USSR? What about the rest of class structure? How do you even define a class of people?

>>2487079
i would say a basic definition of class is the claim over property and the manner of political exception one experiences. for example, capitalists arent just rich, but also immune from imprisonment. if a bureaucrat similarly has immunity from the law, then that showsva power they possess which others dont.

>>2487120
Was politburo over the law? Who made the laws? And most importantly who owned the means of production?

>>2487171
>The Soviet Union's legal system was subordinate to the Soviet Communist Party. Legislation was debated and approved by party leaders, then passed to the Supreme Soviet for approval. The court system ensured party control over judicial decisions. Judges were selected by party officials and were usually party members. The procuracy, a nationwide organization, ensured law enforcement and reported to the party leadership.
>After the revolution, the regime placed itself above the law, granting the Communist Party head powers similar to the tsars. The government replaced elected officials, suppressed opposing speech, and eliminated suspected enemies without trial. The New Economic Policy in 1921 restored the legal basis for the economy, but Stalin later ended it, asserting central control. Soviet law became a tool for implementing party policy and economic planning.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Soviet-law
more information concerning structue:
>The government was led by a Chairman, commonly referred to as "Premier" by outside observers. The chairman was nominated by the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU) and elected by delegates at the first plenary session of a newly elected Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union. High government officials, such as first deputy premiers, deputy premiers, government ministers, or heads of state committees or commissions, were chosen by the premier and confirmed by the Supreme Soviet.
>After the promulgation of the 1936 Constitution, under Stalin, the Council of People's Commissars was defined as the Soviet government and the "highest executive and administrative organ of state power". However, at the same time, the Constitution also stripped the Council of People's Commissars of its ability to enact laws, and instead confined it to issuing "decrees and regulations on the basis and in execution of the laws currently in force". Legislative power was shifted to the Supreme Soviet and its Presidium, who alone could alter laws, having replaced the Congress of Soviets and the Central Executive Committee respectively.
>Lenin had sought to create a governmental structure that was independent of the party apparatus. Grigory Zinoviev, however, maintained that the Politburo was the principal body of the state, and from Stalin’s tenure until Mikhail Gorbachev’s, there existed an informal system of government by which appointment of People's Commissars came to be made by the Political Bureau (Politburo) of the Communist Party’s Central Committee, and ratified later by the Council of People's Commissars.
https://www.marxists.org/history/ussr/government/index.htm

>>2487198
So you can describe top party leadership as a separate class from rest of society as they both control all property and are above law?

>>2487204
i would certainly say so.

>>2487277
Or just focus on rapist problem instead of innocent people that are 99% of this population.

>>2381106
The difficulty I experience in relating to my parents is rooted not merely in personal incompatibility, but in the structural and ideological conditions that shape our consciousness. My parents, products of a STEM-oriented, capitalist milieu, operate within a worldview that valorizes technical expertise, market logic, and small-liberal pragmatism. Their positions as business owners situate them firmly within the apparatus of the bourgeois order, reproducing its norms, values, and hierarchies in daily life.

In contrast, my trajectory has been shaped by a humanistic and aesthetic sensibility, cultivated through the study of the humanities and photography, alongside a critical consciousness informed by Marxist theory. My intellectual and ethical orientation challenges the premises of capitalist production and the commodification of labor that my parents embody. As a result, our interactions are marked by an irreconcilable tension: their pragmatic, profit-oriented reasoning clashes with my critique of the socio-economic structures they implicitly defend.

The emotional discomfort I experience—the sense of claustrophobia and alienation in their presence—reflects a deeper phenomenon of ideological alienation. Just as the worker is estranged from the products of their labor under capitalism, I find myself estranged from the ideological and cultural “products” of my upbringing. Their worldview, shaped by the imperatives of capital and technical rationality, renders invisible the values, desires, and meanings that animate my own existence. The gulf between us is thus not merely generational or personal, but structural: it is a reflection of the ways in which class, ideology, and the relations of production mediate human relationships, even within the family.

In this sense, my rebellion is not a mere affective response, but a dialectical assertion of an alternative subjectivity—a refusal to subsume my consciousness under the imperatives of capitalist rationality and a commitment to cultivating forms of being and expression that challenge and transcend the ideological contours of my parental milieu.

>>2450880
there is no problem with voting for socdems individually, but it shouldnt be the aim of your political action and rhetoric, because they will never bring about socialism (either because they will betray the cause, or the system will prevent them from doing anything radical, or they will get couped), and entering an electoralist logic will cause your party to become a bunch of opportunist who will compromise and betray to get positions or small concessions and loose its connection and popularity with the masses. Can clearly be seen with some of the old euro communists parties (in france for example, where they're not even the most radical left anymore and lost all their supports and principles)

>>2486189
most rapes by far are done by relatives and closes ones, and arabs rapists are still a tiny minority of arabs, so focusing on immigration to stop rape is just anti immigrant policy rather than anti rape policy. Also notice how the people pushing this usually dont care about rape committed by locals and dont support actual anti rape policy (like dedicated training for police, sexual education and such)

>>2487198
why the fuck would you quote britannica on the soviet union

>>2488288
>>2488498
I'll bring that up next time. The that was arguing it with me is a "centrist" obsessed with maintaining western culture and said he voted for Trump because he said any damage caused to the country would be worth it to stop Muslim immigrants and trans people.

>>2488883
The guy that was arguing it*

>>2488883
that guy aint a centrist, that sounds like a straight up alt/far right retard

Is ziggerism and multipolaroids just "communists" coping about how they don't have a successful strategy for service based liberal economies?

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When did you realize he was a chud?

>>2491028
nope, there is actually two kind of supporter of multipolarity
there are the nationalist and national porkies of the periphery, who have understood that the west empire will try to keep them down to keep their advantages and exploit the rest of the world, and support multipolarity because breaking the hegemony is in their interest, and they are anti imperialist out of pure immediate self interest
then there are the actual communist, they are actually understanding that building communism is a world historical process, and that nobody build a revolution in a vacuum, but in a real national and global context, and in the west, the context of being part of the hegemonic anticommunist US led empire still exploiting the world is crucial to understanding the situation and is the primary obstacle to revolution and socialism

ofc, a lot of morons pretend to be leftist but actually suck up to the west empire and spend their energy spreading its propaganda and attacking its enemies and concepts challenging the status quo, and even here come shit up threads and troll in a pathetic attempt to defend imperialism "from the left". I suspect you're one of them

Are there pathways to dechudden yourself?
When I was younger, I was a socialist, but I shifted to ethnic nationalism over time. I've seen a few leftists become more leftist, but I've never seen a dirty rightoid switch camps. Why is this an unidirectional development?

>>2491949
>dechudden
>When I was younger, I was a socialist, but I shifted to ethnic nationalism over time
<a chud is a cannibal
<"When I was younger, I ate prey animals, but I shifted to eating my own kin over time"
True Crime liberals talk about those Donner Party settlers who got stuck in a snowstorm and resorted to cannibalism…I think God is more concerned with their murder and selfish theft of property! God might forgive the most horrifying taboo, but he has clearly commanded against such things as burying of bodies under hastily piled snow. Cannibalism is a terrible thing if you're starving…but petite bourgeois mindset capitalists are simply satanic and unforgivable

>>2491949
>but I've never seen a dirty rightoid switch camps.
Happens a lot. In fact, it's a big source or antifa intel. IIRC Lovecraft was a famous example.

*of

/leftypol/ and dirtbag left places like Hexbear have plenty of ex-chuds. I wasn't once of them but many of my online friends were lolberts or US rightoids in their teen or young adult years and are communists now.

Who is/was the worst poster on all of /leftypol/?

>>2491949
i was a NEET and drifted into chinletism. then i got a job and started working with people, became more social, had better mental health.

>>2492030
It's not talked about much but a few years ago Jeff Schoep, former leader of the National Socialist Movement, renounced Nazism and racism altogether. As far as American neo-nazis go that guy was kind of a major name in the late 00's

>>2497138
Why some many NEETs are rightoid? I doens't make sense, they would clearly defend anti-work and UBI.

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in terms of reading marx (beginner):
- on the jewish question (1844)
- german ideology chapter 1 (1844)
- communist manifesto (1848)
- eighteenth brumaire (1852)
- grundrisse, introduction (1857)
- grundrisse, fragment on machines (1858)
- zur kritik preface (1859)
- theories of surplus value chapter 4 (1863)
- value, price and profit (1865)
- capital vol. 1, prefaces, chapters 1-11, 19, 26-33 (1867)
- marx-engels letter, 11 december (1869)
- marx-meyer letter, 9 april (1870)
- civil war in france (1871)
- critique of the gotha programme (1875)
- marx-zasulich correspondence (1881)
- capital vol. 2 preface (1885)
- capital vol. 3 preface, chapters 1-3, 8-10, 13-14, 25, 36, 48, 52, supplement by engels (1894)

>>2497155
its not logical, but here are some thoughts based on my experience.
society says wealth = success. being on welfare or unemployed (not in the wealthy sense of living off passive income) means you are a failure. not to mention other reactionary spooks floating around around like man = provider for the family.

the welfare centre is usually designed to break you down.
seeing immigrants at the welfare centre. its easier to think these other people are scum and don't deserve it like i do. than thinking hey lets build solidarity.

like i once saw someone come to pick up his welfare in a cab. everyone was like wtf this mf thinks he can roll up in a taxi while everyone takes the bus. but a more logical explanation might be that he was running late, and the penalty for being late to the interview (missing months of potential payments )was worse than taking the hit from getting an expensive taxi. but everyone assumes that guy was cheating or doing something wrong.
being at home a lot, staying online, (algorithms are more likely to promote reactionary content than leftist ones) while drinking heavily leads to reactionism. i heard quite a few people started moderating their beliefs when they slowed the drinking.

>>2499132
if you paid people to work they wouldnt opt for being paid not to work.

>>2497121
Probably me.

How to deal with Marx' racist and antisemitic remarks in his letters to Engels?

>>2499810
You're posting on leftypol. What the hell do you care?

>>2499810
There's nothing to deal with. Marx and Engels lived at a time where racism, race-nationalism and 'race science' were thriving and legitimized, supported by many intellectuals and bourgeois society. Yeah they were somewhat racist especially in their youth but they still supported the abolition of American slavery, opposed antisemitism, etc. They also got less racist as they grew up.

>>2497121
Probably one of the relentless /pol/ spamming schizos. I remember 3 of them:
- The guy who spams the Alunya nudes. He's been ban evading and going at it for several years by now, without explanation.
- Some poster who was called virginia anon or something like that. It was a nazi who always typed in a broken format and used the same poorly edited pics as justification for his ideology, and always argued in bad faith. He spent years coming here but eventually disappeared.
- The thing noticer: The guy whose posts were 99% random twitter nonsense you'd never heard of. He disappeared too.

>>2499986
I miss checkers

>>2499958
same goes for Nietzsche btw

Good leftist podcasts? I like Blowback and Radio War Nerd.

>>2502559
sublation media
why theory

Why is anarchism labeled left wing? Since it's literally the opposite of total state control, shouldn't it be right wing's paradise?

>>2497155
Because liberal centrism failed and people are looking for something else.

>>2502972
from the foundations of anarchism you get reactionaries like proudhon and bakunin who wanted to exterminate jews. later, bordiga says that many of the fascists were ex-anarchists and syndicalists themselves.

Does party serve the state or does the state serve party?

>>2503824
state power serves the party, and therefore the interests of the class that dominates the party, but from an outside perspective the party appears to be the state

>>2504091
Class instinct

>>2504091
Irony poisoning

>>2504091
This phenomenon really needs a meme name.


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