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Not reporting is bourgeois


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>>2401315
*ding ding*
It sure is slow going trying to inject some modicum of historical awareness (colonialism etc.) into liberals et al.
This situation is basically the same.

>>2401452
>Fucking pseud. Pinochet killed or exiled thousands of Chilean leftists, including many social-democrats because they were considered Allende supporters.
And hitler purged the SA, so what?

>>2399876
I would argue that Reddit is worse. It creates a glowie liberal bourgeois hivemind NPC factory.

>>2401359
That's not what I was talking about. Any country can institute universal healthcare of a certain quality like Mao did with doctors that practiced medicine based on feudal superstitions, but no country can institute healthcare that doesn't match its level of development of the productive forces. The CPC accepted elements capitalism in the field of healthcare and in general because China had to get ahead in development at all costs.

The way things currently stand basic coverage covers everyone so there is no distinction between people with and without a residency permit. The vast majority hospitals are state owned that people pay out-of-pocket expenses to. European countries with full universal coverage have people pay for healthcare from their own pockets, it's just that it's just that the insurance fee is withdrawn from people's bank account every month before they'd receive as what is called a "tax". Social security is a special tax on income, it doesn't draw from profits directly. People with a higher reported income will pay more, but China more than makes up for it by massive investments into healthcare by the state when a lot of "socdem" European countries deliberately underfund their state-run healthcare so they can give all of their budget to Blackrock-controlled companies in the form of subsidies.

You are mostly complaining about legal technicalities when the CPC has a massive track record in championing the interests of Chinese workers.

>>2401685
The funniest thing of this bit is that production declined with the initial liberalization, lmao. You're trying to square a circle.

So let me get one thing straight (you are not).
Let's try to have some civilized exchange instead of this pointless af discussion which has been seen hundreds or more times.
Purely because I am always curious about these contradictions (the italians say you have to be able to hold a minimum of 5 conflicting views in your mind).
In any case this seemingly never ending cycle seems to be spiraling around a particular contradiction. Which I only just noticed just now. Not to my credit but then I wasn't paying too much attention.
It is important to you (speaking to ultras et al.) to classify China as fascist and/or Hitlerite (or whatever, something to that effect). Yet at the same time there is no real, discernible difference between those things and standard social democracy (however defined, that again is not important right now). Are these things not in contradiction? I see no way out here. It is either one or the other but also it does not matter. Not a lot of information is transmitted there.
But where does this insistence on calling it "fascist" or similar come from then? Is it that you yourself think yourself not affected by the emotional weight of such a charge but you know other people are?
In any case this seems at best emotive arguing and frankly is a manipulative conflation of disparate things. And yes, I know Mao and to some extent Stalin have made comments to that effect.
Shouldn't we try to find a different form of discoursing? After all, there is already enough propaganda in this world.
I don't know, see it as a plea to work towards a betterment of the board (or at the least this thread, cause frankly most of this place already belongs in the trash bin of non-history).

I have also broken down this quite curious phenomenon (in a little bit of a different context but for most intents and purposes the same) in a more easily readable (if more rude) form elsewhere.
If it does not matter, why go on and on and on….
about it? Again, seems a pretty glaring contradiction.

>>2401466
Bordigabros… not like this…

>>2401466
Borzigga

>>2401482
Dengist reforms were what NEP would have been if the USSR had been allowed to take a breather and not be immediately thrown into a World War after a civil war and then never ending proxy wars after that.

>>2401747
Wrong. The nep created kulaks who starved millions. Chinese socialism liquidated all exploiting classes and eliminated poverty

I need maoist Labubu! IMMEDIATELY!

>>2393176
Where can I get one?

>>2401814
This doesnt please my ego so all the labubu shall remain as my property, my property.

>>2401568
>Marx and Lenin's view in Socialism are child-like
And I'm supposed to be the left anti-communist….

>>2401747
The NEP was ended by the Stalinists and replaced with the far more brutal and more capitalist five year plans.

https://kdwalmsley.substack.com/p/espionage-and-pentagon-takeovers?

Espionage and Pentagon takeovers of mines as China's Rare Earth Metals ban slams weapons makers


>This is from Modern War Institute. There is a nice photo here of an assembly line for warplanes, and with a headline that complains that China is weaponizing their supply of shiny rocks that those guys in the photo need to make their planes work. China’s export controls on rare earth elements were “a shot across the bow of the US defense industrial base.” Fighter jets, satellites, missiles, submarines—nobody can build them without materials made in China. 90% of the rare earth magnets come from here, and 85% of the refined rare earths, so the United States and their allies don’t have the raw materials to fight a future war. At the peak of the Cold War, over 40 years ago or so, the United States had $42 billion of reserves, now it’s under $1 billion.

>So the Defense Department has no choice now, but to get into the mining business. The Pentagon is investing directly in some companies that can do some rare earth mining, but it won’t be until 2027 at the earliest that any new production comes out of the ground, if then. And that’s just raw materials. Then they still need to be refined, and turned into magnets.


>The Pentagon bought a 15% stake in MP Materials to build some magnets. The entire world is reliant on China for rare earth metals, and MP Materials is the only mine in the United States that is operational, right now. MP produces only a handful of the materials the Pentagon needs to build stuff, but something is better than nothing, and better late than never.


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So, how can we stop this? I don't want Chinese to dissapear

>>2402629
Hate to break it to ya, but even if China's population decline is worse than most, almost every country on this planet has a similar demographic collapse coming.

>>2402629
China is basically a developped country that is economically attractive, they just have to open the borders

>>2401695
Honestly anybody still peddling the "social democracy is the moderate wing of fascism" nonsense in 2025 should be embarrassed. The Comintern held that line for less than ten years and abandoned it as soon as it was clear it was completely moronic and self destructive.

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>>2401426
Except he said that USSR was socialist. You retards are acting as if "capitalism under communist party leadership" was an actual theory used by anybody, when in fact "capitalism under control of communist party/working class" IS socialism. That's Lenin's fucking definition

>>2401747
"Dengism" and "NEP" are horrible framing of the issue

USSR's war communism was essentially the same as Mao's socialism. After war communism, NEP followed. After Mao's initial accumulation of state capital, Deng came in and expanded on Mao's policies that were already happening.

Both were continuation of their countries' previous policies. People just don't realize that unlike Russia, whcih was a hundred years behind, China was two or three hundred years behind. Development takes a lot of time. In the future we will see some African nation pulling off a catch up, and retards of the future would say shit about their NEP being too long to qualify for socialism

>>2402629
immigration will fix it. whether the prc wants it to or not.

>>2402429
Hilarious how China invests into their semiconductors and chips for "national security reasons" beforehand, stockpiles reserves of chips ahead of sanctions and tariffs to avoid shock, and USA only ever bothered with doing anything only after China cracked down on exports. Lack of (5 year) planning is apparent

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>>2402885
I wish they would be faster to produce high end GPUs/CPUs so I can ethically treat myself with chinese chips instead of amerikkkan

>>2401338
>Capitalists being subservient to the state means heckin fascism
<NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T USE THE STATE TO DO CLASS STRUGGLE THATS HECKIN AUTHORITARIAN YOU NEED TO POLITELY ASK THE BOURGEOISIE TO PROLETARIANIZE THEMSELVES

>>2403011
The US government is socialist (they imprisoned Sam Bankman-Fried)

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>>2403013
>Class struggle is now not socialist because rich people get arrested for crimes sometimes in America
This place used to be so good.

>>2403015
>This place used to be so good.
Yeah, less chinese billionaire cock suckers in those times

>>2403018
Yeah those fucking social fascist soulless fucking chink bugme- uh I mean capitalist restorationists are totally un vril

>>2403020
So true, it's racist to criticize cap… I mean different incomed people, they are the true wealth creators after all

>>2403027
Wrong, China needs to get rid of capitalists. Not through class struggle, that's fascist. They need to convince the rich to give up on capitalism. It will be a utopia!

Capitalism doesnt need capitalists to be capitalism, THOUGH

>>2403050
There are no capitalists in Communist China. The exploiters, as a class, were eliminated by 1981.
https://www.marxists.org/subject/china/documents/cpc/history/01.htm
>>2403077
There is no capitalism in Communist China. By 1952, the socialist transformation of private ownership of the means of production has been completed, the system of exploitation of man by man abolished, and a socialist system established. https://www.marxists.org/subject/china/documents/cpc/8th_congress.htm

>>2403018
Reminder that the average anti-China argument on /leftypol/ in 2017 was that China was supposedly a Han supremacist state or some shit.

>>2393519
guess what. most people want a higher standard of living and don't care about your orthodoxy vs. heresy bullshit

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Really pushing the imagination here, aren't we?

I've finally started archiving the PRC threads. Here's the two most recent ones:
https://archive.is/PdEHX
https://archive.is/w2jbj
If anybody has any archives of old PRC threads that you'd like to contribute, that would be good. Also, I finally tried Deepseek a few days ago and it really is as smart as people here say it is.
>>2403605
>Portrays China as these Pripyat-esque ruins.
Everyday it's more and more obvious how utterly out of ideas the anti-China grifters are.

someone's having another crashout about China trading with Israel that they were afraid to post in here

>>2403650

>>2403791
Please don't link to Sharty raid threads. Just try not to feed the trolls just for once. Report the thread and hope the staff will get around to enforcing their own rules.

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>>2403833
>hope the staff will get around to enforcing their own rules.
that made me laugh

>>2402699
Not africa

>>2403605
Is anyone interested in taking State Department money to make openly racist anti-Chinese propaganda? It'd be funny, as much as liberals going mask off with anti-immigrant sentiment when Trump won.

>>2403916
you say that like the state department would be upset by it being racist

>>2403916
How about not? Do we really need to flood the Internet with even more racist/fascist propaganda? And no, it doesn't matter if you're being "ironic" or "satirical" because at the end of the day, you're still just going to attract anti-Chinese racists.

>>2403922
It's tanking the West. Learn Chinese and hang out with Chinese glowies on XHS and Bilibili instead. Fuck anglonets.


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