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>>2392021 >>2393577Learned a bit about this in marketing class, the answer is unironically Capitalism (and algorithms)
Back in the day when it came to shit like music or movies, the big studios would try and spread risk out over a bunch of different directors. Things were more mid-budget. You were allowed to take more risks 'cause those risks were spread out over a bunch of different films, pretty sure that's how "Taxi Driver" got made.
Then things get more expensive, and while budgets get bigger, Hollywood starts listening more to different advisors and goes all in on billion-dollar box office flicks. Thing is you've got these algorithms now, so that provides a bit of assurance that you aren't necessarily "putting all your eggs in one basket." Like there's complex algos that "make" movies based off the premise: "This is what actors audiences like, this is what genres are profitable, this is what directors are popular." And while the old method of some coked up producers getting scared that no one will watch Westerns after Blazing Saddles was made, its better than just leaving all this up to mathematic formulas.
>>2393577The job market or the trade in wage workers leads to the self-commodification of the wage worker. It's the service worker smile, a deadening of the individual under the demand to be an unobjectionable and interchangeable tool of capital. You see it most heavily in the professional and managerial strata oddly enough IMO. There's this odd sort of toxic politeness. I suppose you also see some of it in the American South. But anyhow disengaging from your own individual feelings and losing your ability to truly relate to the collective inevitably produces cultural vacuousness.
I'm hopeful though. The imperial core is overdue for a real crisis but a different sort of crisis than the periphery crises of over-production. There's an ongoing collapse of the technical and managerial strata as capital is slowly proletarianizing them. I think we'll get some truly poignant works as the system comes crashing down. There's going to be a breakdown in the labor market, we can already see the whole hiring (and firing) process falling apart with absurd interview processes, LinkedIn bullshit and incompetents not being fired. Capital is running into inherent limits on the circulation of labor and that's going to lead to an entirely novel form of crisis. I predict in the future that HR will necessarily merge with the state in order for the capitalists to satisfy their demands for labor arbitrage.
>>2393589This AI shit is scary. Most people have absolute shit tastes anyways. I generated this song the other day off an idea and I even found myself singing it. The AI can generate ear worms with the right prompting easily.
Even though I've only ever made music with a computer I've always felt like computers were the beginning of the end of music.
>>2393609Sorry pal, I jerk it for nobody.
>>2393610I pity the tech support of the future. Imagine having to help some geriatric moron with their shitty brain chip implant or whatever. It would be a nightmare.
>>2393601>like computers were the beginning of the end of musicAI will create an explosion of creativity. Average people who didn't have training from childhood, the time and energy as adults or innate talent to make art can potentially make their imagination a reality.
Enjoyed your song. It's pleasant, especially the instrumental. The voice is still a little tinny and choppy but it's better than artificial voices from just a few years ago.
The Rich Young Man
(Mark 10:17–31; Luke 18:18–30)
16Just then a man came up to Jesus and inquired, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to obtain eternal life?”
17“Why do you ask Me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”
18“Which ones?” the man asked.
Jesus answered, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not bear false witness, 19honor your father and mother, and love your neighbor as yourself.’”
20“All these I have kept,” said the young man. “What do I still lack?”
21Jesus told him,“If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me.”
22When the young man heard this, he went away in sorrow, because he had great wealth.
23Then Jesus said to His disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”
25When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?”
26Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
27“Look,” Peter replied, “we have left everything to follow You. What then will there be for us?”
28Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, in the renewal of all things,g when the Son of Man sits on His glorious throne, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wifeh or children or fields for the sake of My name will receive a hundredfold and will inherit eternal life. 30But many who are first will be last, and the last will be first.
>>2393659The
ROMAN Catholic church is really an abomination. The Romans literally killed Jesus, Jews only figuratively. The Romans literally killed him in the same manner they killed countless Christians.
>>2393764>So what's the play?IMO Trump is making an "off ramp" for the MAGA movement beyond himself. I refer to Trump and his admins, but I don't think it's a personal thing, he's just a particularly flamboyant turn in the continuity of US policy. But yeah, he's going all out with the MAGA stuff,surrounding himself with characters all eager to promote MAGA and getting himself out of the way. MAGA will continue to be the face of US fascism but someone else will take up the mantle.
IMO Trump will enjoy retirement a lot more than other presidents, as the MAGA oracle, back to his celebrity roots. All the presidential pampering with none of the obligations, as long as he refrains from directing the retards to vote wrong. He'll be in it till he croaks.
>>2393777>here’s no other celebrity that could match what he captured in 2016 and held onto ever sinceThat's the issue, his job is done. Politics isn't gonna snap back to the early 2000s just because Trump's gone. It is US policy not Trump's policy what got done. For example, he's not doing anything special with ICE, he's just bringing back to the foreground the powers of the Patriot Act. He's not unique in following the legacy of Bush. Or using the powers every admin since then has preserved.
Much of "Trump's" foreign policy is just the neocons of the early 2000s with a thin veil of present day culture war too.
>>2393789OH noes, the PR dmg. Oh noes the profits.
I'll save me the time and tell you straight up:
Imagine a happy merchant colleting the goyslop capeshit money from soyfacing morons, while another guns down kids in Palestine and the money flies from the filmmaker to the genocider between them.
>>2393794jesse wtf are you talking about
>>2393797it's enjoyable. made by someone who clearly likes superman as a character and stands out from the normal hero slop. the israel/palestine metaphor wasn't subtle though, felt like it was bashing you over the head with it
>>2393825a "prole" or goy?
same difference i suppose
>>2393849MAGAcucks have 2 options:
(1) trump is s pedo
(2) trump is illiterate
>>2393825Well, he would know.
He’s one of them.
>>2393918I mean, sure. But behind this, is already the passive acceptance that, for either side of the culture war, it is perfectly fine if their icons are above all the laws.
It is the same underlying logic as with "fake news". The point isn't to say the other side is lying, but to instill acceptance for solipsistic tribalism in the name of fighting the culture war. Truthiness becomes a bonus in the industry which supplies the ammo for your side of the culture war. And that is all that information is good for, to fight in the culture war with.
Everyone accepts now that *their side* needs to pack the courts. That *their side* needs to further increase the power and unaccountability of the executive. that *their side* should fuck the workers in the name of some obtuse electoral victory. That *their side* should go as far right as necessary to remain in power by pleasing the bourgeoisie without any limits.
>>2393960Scoop 1: Colbert
Scoop 2: Kimmel
>>2393957I should link
https://archive.ph/DPY7F>>2393966theyre talking about a junk food tax, vocational high schools, cutting regulations of small business and then following up with "Neither of those agendas sounds like today’s timid Democratic Party." its incredibly lame and unself aware. Also I dont think small businesses are entitled to weaker labor laws just because theyre not successful
>>2393972They said small business regulations. What that means usually in context is that starting a business is difficult and many businesses that do begin are usually unlicensed because of the difficulty and the time it takes. Like for example, many Cannabis Dispensaries are usually unlicensed, that’s just one example and there are many others. I don’t know why your immediate thought went to labor laws which that post did not mention whatsoever. I’ve actually interacted with these small business types and many who tried starting a small business and regulations usually are to do with licensing and getting approvals from over a dozen regulatory committees. Some are definitely more useful than others like for example a restaurant needs to be approved of having a functioning and safe gas system or electrical system and food safety standards etc.
Vocational high schools are a great idea but it also will require that the trades will have to loosen up their hiring practices which are some of the most restrictive. You have no idea how hard it is to even become an apprentice electrician.
>>2394084>According to El Faro, the country’s most respected investigative outlet, the relative peace in El Salvador is not the result of a decisive war on gangs, but rather, of a secret pact negotiated directly between Bukele’s own Director of Prisons Osiris Luna and his head of the Social Fabric Reconstruction Unit, Carlos Marroquín, and gang leaders, starting in late 2019. He also took on similar negotiations with gangs as a mayor of San Salvador, from 2015 to 2018.
>These revelations are based on extensive access to prison intelligence, government documents, and insiders within the security apparatus and the gangs themselves.
>The U.S. Treasury backed these findings in 2021, sanctioning Luna and Marroquín and other Bukele allies for offering financial incentives and prison perks to MS-13 and Barrio 18 leaders in exchange for reducing homicides and supporting Bukele’s party in elections.https://responsiblestatecraft.org/bukele-trump-gangs/ >>2394091AOCIA voted no lol
>Omarah yes, she won antisemite of the year in 2019 from The Jerusalem Post
Explosion at a police training facility in LA.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/18/la-training-facility-explosionWhat're the odds some bumbling dicknose pig fumbled a grenade?
>>2394118it's a demoralization tactic. "oh brooo don't show the treatlerites what their tax dollars go to, they totally won't care that their treats are being defunded and the government is instead funding an apartheid regime's ongoing genocide instead they're too motivated by treats to even care about their own treats being taken away…" it's total nonsense. you can totally frame it in terms of american interest. like literally walk up to any american and say "look at what the israelis are doing with your tax dollars" and you kill two birds with 1 stone
1: Why they should be mad (at war crimes)
2: How it effects them (their tax dollars committing crimes in their name)
>>2394130I don't like how cop shooting videos only ever feature relatively "normal" cops doing routine traffic stops. It's almost always some MAGA or gang member just trying to evade consequences.
Meanwhile not a single Uvalde parent did anything in response to the police letting their kids be murdered.
>>2394142burrito on burrito?
taco on taco?
spic on spic?
>>2394181this country fought itself before and it will fight itself again. it's not just necessary but inevitable.
>>2394177you wish you were like me.
>>2394198>The vast majority of Americans know about the atrocities the American military commits on a day to day basisdo they
in my exp. burgers don't know shit. they know the news says stuff happens far away, but they don't know how much of it is true, and they don't really care to find out because they're too busy with family, work, school, relationships, etc. The news is imperialist and what little anti-imperialist perspective they get is highly filtered, and when they hear of US war crimes at all it's basically "our enemies accuse us of this"
I don't think the average america has a running list of US coups and war crimes in their head. at best they know the country is "bad" but they aren't sure to what extent or what to do about it.
I'm really skeptical whenever someone on here says the "vast majority" of americans are anything. it's very easy to lie with statistics but these statements
aren't even statistical , they're just pure vibes. did you go door to door and ask?
>>2394105notice how someone posted videos of israeli war crimes and suggested showing them to regular uninformed americans and telling them this is what their tax dollars go to
now the conversation has been derailed by totally good faith actors to
>actually don't do that it doesn't work and nobody cares
>actually even if you do that they'll say it's good and want more of it
>actually it's time to argue over which of us is the realest larping communist and whether the american working class even existsfundamentally useless platform. even hexbear is better than this.
Oh and most controversially of all, I believe that the best way we can achieve socialism in these lands is with a broad coalition of various revolutionary left tendencies united with the common goal of establishing communism. That means anarchists and Marxists have to get along with each other and disillusioned democratic socialists. Our numbers are already spread thin as it is and despite what some people might claim we all want to destroy America as it currently exists, so our best bet is to stick together.
>>2394334It probably helps that I actually interact with people in real life. The main barrier people have, aside from ignorance, is a lack of courage. Many people want to do SOMETHING but are too afraid of the consequences, because surprisingly most people have something called a survival instinct. This is why individual acts of resistance are so important in these early stages. Yes they're not going to take down the state, but they serve the purpose of inspiring others and showing them that it is in fact possible to resist the state. Those people inspired by acts of resistance will do their own which shall inspire more, and the more dedicated will come together in groups to make more impactful acts of resistance. Trying to speedrun your way into "armed cadres" and poopooing everyone who falls short of that just serves to make people who would otherwise be on your side think you're crazy.
>>2394125Yeah, with colombian NATO trained instructors and drone squads
>>2394094This is why he was a stinky dude for Biden, but for Donnie he is the best pawn he has south of the border (no offence Ecuador)
>>2394349I have been neglecful on my Cocktheory :c, damn, still don't buy it
>>2394350Maybe instead of the rainbow coalition of irrelevant niche leftist fan clubs, maybe those people could kust stop being nerds.
>I'm team jacob, I'm yeam bella, no I like rainbow pony, no I like glitter pony, no I am ML, no I am MLM, no I am a 4No normal person wants to get involved with this nerd fandom shit.
I thought politics was about getting some tangible material benefit.
>>2394360Bruh what? What the fuck does MLP have to do with any of this?
>irrelevant niche leftist fan clubsYou know how to make them not niche? By having them join together and work for a common cause. Unless of course you already have some big super relevant leftist militant army that you're not telling us about
>>2394363And the best way to mobilize people to mass action? By actually meeting them on their level, sympathizing with their struggles, and showing and demonstrating that the state can be resisted. Not by screaming at them about how by using a cellphone they are personally complicit in the genocide of millions and that they need to live in a barracks and die on your behalf to repent for their sins. That just makes people think you're a psychopath with a chip on your shoulder, which is what people have been trying to get across to you for months at this point. Less fantasies about spilling the blood of "treatlerites" and leftists you dont like and more actually talking to people. Those People's Defense Councils or whatever they're called that they've got in LA and spreading elsewhere in California are a good start, as they're focused directly on interfering with the state's ability to extract slave labor while also providing a safe community hub for vulnerable populations, who in turn will be more likely to join an armed struggle when shit hits the fan. It's not perfect but it's better than sitting online and complaining all day.
People here might find it hard to believe but most of us want the same thing, and besides that we dont really want much. We want food, meaningful work, shelter, comfort, healthcare, community, and entertainment. This really isn't something insurmountable, in fact our government right now could do so easily if it dialed back all the money it spent on subsidies for billionaires and imperialist adventures, but it wont. Even someone who might have a kneejerk opposition to the words "communism" or "anarchism" because of unchecked spooks would be content in a society where the aforementioned stuff is guaranteed. The problem is that our government would rather kill us than ever make concessions.
Hate the system with all your heart, hate those who fight for the system, but extend love and compassion towards everyone else. Communism will rise, billions will smile, and you WILL be happy
>>2393957speaking of which, Mamdani is already backing down, 3 days in a row, stating in interviews, reporters question, and publicly stating in business meetings:
>MAMDANI SAYS HE DISCOURAGES THE USE OF PHRASE GLOBAL INTIFADAkek, he fetterman'd succdems very quickly.
>>2394448I can't remember who, maybe Mearsheimer or Finklestein or something that said there is always a point in an American presidency when Israel just absolutely pisses them off and they start 1488 ranting about them. Like they come in believing the "greatest ally" bullshit, then Israel turns around and *ews them.
I wonder if chosen-gentile friendships and alliances are even really possible.
>>2394465I think what he's trying to say is usually when the US is bombing places they're trying to install a free market representative democracy, quite similar to what we have here.
Back in like the 80s or whatever, while hating the US bombing places was totally understandable, the neocons could argue, "when it's all said and done, they'll have a government similar to here and thus their citizens will have a better life."
Nowadays though, what excuse can the warhawks come up with? Things aren't all the great here for the vast majority of people.
>>2394471No what he's saying is "If we were actually benefiting directly from the bombing maybe Americans could justify it to themselves as a necessary evil to maintain our lifestyle. But America fucking sucks and Israel does nothing for us so what part of this is necessary?"
It has nothing to do with spreading Democracy, anon's "If war why no treats?" summary is correct.
>>2394228>The American “working class” lives in fantastic luxuryImagine thinking that living in cheap cardboard houses, drinking lead poisoned water, eating HFCS "food" owning cheap plastic shit is fantastic luxury. Hollywood propaganda of America isn't how the majority live.
>>2394269>American imperialismThe reason American authorities always talk about Freedom and Democracy is to cover the imperialism for it's citizens.
>The truth is Americans know that these atrocities occur Liberals always separate good "Just War" and bad war crimes, which thy say are simply aberrations of good wars. Leftists know it's fake but anyone learning about politics gets the Liberal view of American wars.
>>2394482It's so funny how the culture war has fried everyone's brain so hard, that the logic of "The Attention Economy" where everything hinges around keeping your attention, and gathering your data… applies to IRL. Workers are *so inconsequential* that everything goes as long as it keeps them "engaged" and consuming. Even launching into a frothing rage, making them question the very institutions of liberal democracy, dabbing on them from the upper echelons of society in all sorts of humiliating and insulting manners…
None of it matters, it doesn't even register as a slight risk. The bourgeois know that, at the end of the day, everyone will just channel it all back into the culture war and consumerism.
Or shoot up a school, or kill themselves or some other schizo shit. But hey, half of those will have a glowie talking them up and the rest are just as useful to justify the security state.
>>2394455Honestly I think part of it is that there’s a unique one-sidedness to our relationship to Israel. Like, ignoring ideology, we’re calling these assholes our “greatest allies” but let’s look at that relationship actually:
>They bombed the USS Liberty for something like an hour while American servicemen repeatedly begged them to stop>They’ve stolen state secrets from our government >They’ve killed American citizens numerous times and boasted about it>Israelis were dancing after 9/11>Netanyahu literally brings his dirty laundry to America for us to wash.>Indirectly caused the oil crisis by pissing off arabsGreatest ally? Since fucking when? The Brits have been with us on every bungle and misstep. The French helped us win our independence. The Italians? Well I guess the mob helped the CIA a ton and the food is good. What the fuck has Israel done for us? Seriously. If it were any other country, we’d be sanctioning Israel and maybe arming states in the region to put it down.
Low morale among National Guard troops deployed to Los Angeles>Protesters jeer the troops as they guard federal office buildings. Commuters curse the behemoth convoys clogging freeways. Family members grill members with questions about whether they really have to obey federal orders.
>The level of public and private scorn appears to have taken a toll on the National Guard deployment to Los Angeles that President Trump announced last month, citing protests over immigration raids. Interviews with nearly two dozen people — including soldiers and officers as well as officials and civilians who have worked closely with the troops — show that many members of the Guard are questioning the mission. The deployment’s initial orders to quell scattered protests have given way to legally disputed assignments backing up federal immigration agents.
>…Six members of the Guard — including infantrymen, officers and two officials in leadership roles — spoke of low morale and deep concern that the deployment may hurt recruitment for the state-based military force for years to come. Those who were interviewed spoke on the condition of anonymity, because military orders bar Guard personnel from publicly discussing the federal deployment and they feared retribution for talking to the media.
>All but one of the six expressed reservations about the deployment. Several said they had raised objections themselves or knew someone who objected, either because they did not want to be involved in immigration crackdowns or felt the Trump administration had put them on the streets for what they described as a “fake mission.”
>…Six members of the Guard — including infantrymen, officers and two officials in leadership roles — spoke of low morale and deep concern that the deployment may hurt recruitment for the state-based military force for years to come. Those who were interviewed spoke on the condition of anonymity, because military orders bar Guard personnel from publicly discussing the federal deployment and they feared retribution for talking to the media.
>All but one of the six expressed reservations about the deployment. Several said they had raised objections themselves or knew someone who objected, either because they did not want to be involved in immigration crackdowns or felt the Trump administration had put them on the streets for what they described as a “fake mission.”
>…At least 105 members of the deployment sought counseling from behavioral health officers, and at least one company commander and one battalion commander who objected to the mission were reassigned to work unrelated to the mobilization, the Guard officers said. Some troops became so disgruntled that there were several reports of soldiers defecating in Humvees and showers at the Southern California base where the troops are stationed, prompting tightened bathroom security.https://archive.is/9lLIt >>2394569He probable served in the IDF.
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/americans-serving-in-israeli-army/
>In what might sound like something out of Louis Carroll's Alice in Wonderland, or for the more modern twist, Seinfeld's Bizarro World, two Republican congressmen have introduced legislation that would extend the same employment protections to Americans serving in the Israeli army as Americans who leave work and home to serve the U.S. military.
>In other words, no different than U.S. National Guardsman or Reservists, they are just fighting for another country.
>“Over 20,000 American citizens are currently defending Israel from Hamas terrorists, risking their lives for the betterment of our ally,” said Rep. Guy Reschenthaler (R-PA), in a recent statement. “This legislation will ensure we do everything possible to support these heroes who are standing with Israel, fighting for freedom, and combating terrorism in the Middle East.” But what difference does it make? You're basically saying: Cut them some slack, they didn't serve in Werhmacht, they're just Nazis. A lot of Nazis didn't literally serve in the Werhmacht including most of the Nazi leadership.
>>2394512>it would hurt our corn farmers if we got rid of it.It would temporarily. But they can just switch to different crops and it would be better in the end so who cares.
>That we need to keep using hfcs in our foodObviously we don't. Both sugar and HFCS should be heavily reduced. In fact if all highly processed foods got cut from people's diets that alone would be a massive positive impact to everyone's health. The evidence is so clear even food industry funded studies are unable to cover it up.
>>2394582Don't worry I'll keep doing this forever. You already know what you have to do:
>>2394550>Nuke Tel-Aviv just so these fucksticks will shut the fuck up alreadyIf you want me to shut up then stop Israel.
>>2394608just take the damn isreal shit to its thread, i want to hear about my own country in this thread
death to isreal, kill all the jews, yadda yadda
>>2394482>They invented a new kind of privilege to complain we’ve got.I literally had college courses that said intentionally making you uncomfortable is a good thing and learning experience and now they’re saying “Oh, you don’t realize just how HARD it is to be UNCOMFORTABLE all the time.” Fucking take your talking to and stop bitching.
Further evidence all that privilege talk was entirely just self-interested guilt mongering that turns on a dime when applied to other groups though.
>>2394702Ignore that shit, it's just reddit ragebait being posted to derail conversation. That said as someone on the autism spectrum being "uncomfortable" is my day to day existence but we're just expected to suck it up and "be normal"
How's that soccer thing going with your local CPUSA?
>>2394718They're saying it was an accident? How? Also
>largest loss of life since 1857depressing fact
>>2394718>>2394710>>2394712>Take it to /isg/, this general is for reddit screenshotsNow we're getting to the real hard hitting political issues facing this country.
Three bomb squad cops accidentally blowing themselves up in training. It's such an important and political topic, I predict we'll be talking about it for months.
>>2394707The soccer thing’s never really gotten past idle chat. Mostly cause my schedule is all over the place.
That said, I’m also on the spectrum. And I think you hit the nail on the head about why it’s so fucking frustrating to deal with idpol from these lib types. It’s all one massive double standard. I think a term I’d use is “inconsistent collectivism” or “arbitrary individualism”.
Lemme explain; I had professors literally say being able to buy a bandage that’s my own skin shade is a privilege and we’ve got to work towards… I dunno? Equal distribution of diverse bandages? They just vaguely alluded towards collective action to overcome privilege. Point is, they insist there’s something that “we” as a society should be doing to fix this.
Compare and contrast any article on how “The Left” or more accurately, the democrats, lost young men (mostly young white men) and you’ll see a tsunami of liberal commenters—the same people that talk about privilege and obsess about all these social causes—and they’ll just say the same thing over and over again. Bring up the fentanyl crisis, the male loneliness epidemic, deaths from despair, and it’s:
>”well they should just work on themselves”<someone says something about being empathetic to young men>”well why isn’t the onus on THEM to change and stop harassing women?”>”these aren’t real problems”So you’ve got these people demanding solidarity for something like the shade of bandages. They want at least some kind of collective action, even if it’s dumb. But when it comes to problems for a different demographic group? Suddenly it’s “pull yourself up by your bootstraps”. It’s actually
offensive to even insinuate that other people should be concerned with your issues. You’re just an individual, that’s a you problem, fuck off.
And the thing is it has to be all or nothing. We either hang together or hang separately as it goes. I can only imagine how frustrated a black man, for example, might feel after years and years of being shushed down by some republicans, told that their problems are “issues with the culture” and that poverty has to be dealt with by telling everyone they’re on their own and have to make themselves something… and then those same mother fuckers are whining: “well we have to stand with Israel. Some people HATE JEWS! Can you believe it? We need to send them another $8billion. It isn’t enough to be not antisemitic, you have to be anti-antisemitism!” It’s fucking hypocritical and infuriating.
>>2394762Member when a certain group of people stalked and harassed kids for signing a letter condemning what Israel was doing in Gaza and then the most powerful people of that afforementioned group said they would use their control over the levers of power in the country to make sure they never get employed anywhere unless they signed a letter apologizing for signing the other letter? I apologize in advance for my memory being antisemitic and any similarities between my recollection of real events and antisemitic conspiracies. I will try harder to forget more in the future.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/11/business/harvard-israel-hamas-ceos-students Harvard student groups issued an anti-Israel statement. CEOs want them blacklisted Oy vey. I can't believe CNN would publish articles about events with such striking similarities to antisemitic conspiracy theories. Shameful.
>>2394751>I still find Zohran not even waiting until after the election to completely capitulate to Isn’trael and capital incredibly funny. Reformists really thought they wouldn’t take the L again.I have you one:
>>2394750, just one post before yours.
honestly, one would say he should rage quit this place forever and for good for:
a) reminding him he's a closeted racist.
b) he flirts with succdems which such flatteries, so impressively, his impressive act of flattery can only be surpassed by how impressively fast he earns the
fall for it award.
sucks to suck.
>>2394577>“Over 20,000 American citizens are currently defending Israel from Hamas terrorists, risking their lives for the betterment of our ally,” said Rep. Guy Reschenthaler (R-PA), in a recent statement. “This legislation will ensure we do everything possible to support these heroes who are standing with Israel, fighting for freedom, and combating terrorism in the Middle East.” Is this true, chat? Are there really 20,000 Americans currently killing kids in Gaza?
>Recent reports indicate that at least 23 American citizens have died while serving in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) since the start of the ground operation in Gaza, according to The Washington Post. This number represents nearly 10% of the total IDF fatalities.Damn 10% of the IDF is American?
>>2394804Given as the DSA controls about 10% of the city council, Mamadani won't be able to do anything without getting blocked by the other 90%. Either he waters down all his policies to be virtually identical to Democrats or he just does nothing and gets voted out after one term.
Almost like bourgeois electoralism is a dead end and the only way to implement socialism is through a revolution. If only someone had warned us about this….
>>2394812Eh, he’s not gonna do it, but with enough militant support and willingness to just explicitly break the law, a position in government could be used to accelerate conflict with capital—something like what Huey Long did, order some affordable apartments, if courts try to stop it, just order construction continues at pace. Dare them to arrest you.
The problem with modern social democrats is they’re constantly buying into this notion of compromise in the name of some eventual legislative victory that never comes. If you run as a socialist you gotta be willing to dare capital to arrest you—being some decently liked politician that gets thrown in jail for the “crime” of building low income housing or telling people not to pay their rents isn’t a conflict Capital will want to have; it either goes ahead with it and makes you a martyr, or it permits it and looks weak.
That’s ultimately the problem. And I can’t fault people for not wanting to go to jail, but if you run for office as a socialist you should be asking yourself what you’re willing to get locked up or shot for.
>>2394822He is absolutely not willing to sacrifice anything and will water down all his policies and compromise with capital towards the maintenance of imperialism.
This is what the DSA was designed to do. History is undefeated.
>>2394823Unironically I think an important first step is just integration over HR. People are social creatures, tribes are born from continued communal living, so integrate the schools and the neighborhoods. Build big apartment blocks with communal spaces and look towards making them diverse—when it’s solely minority spaces then the state has historically strangled them or let them decay, and majority spaces tend to breed insularity and xenophobia. Remove the appearance of economic competition and the “soft” segregation of the populace and racism will rapidly decay.
Course the problem is getting the power to make such sweeping economic changes.
>>2394823>>2394750The thing about "progressives" is, they think only young white men disagree with them/vote red
They willfully overlook the many ethnics, LGBT, and women who also vote red.
And a lot of this SJW behavior is typical neurotic suburban white mom shit.
It's also the same thing the right uses
>>2394831Yeah I guess it really is sort of a matter of forcing people to actually interact with each other in their daily lives. Public transport, less car dependent infrastructure, allowing spaces where people can just vibe without any obligation to do anything or buy anything. Also every given locality should have regular events like game nights, movie viewings, concerts, trivia thingies, and other excuses for people to gather together completely free of charge.
Given that this could only be attempted in territories liberated of federal control, this is one of those niches were the vanguard can be of use, to show others who are new to a life free of capitalism and the state a better way of living. The exact details can be left up to the locality in question
>>2394825Yknow I mentioned before that there’s an interesting trend I’ve noticed in a lot of left wingers who are Catholic or raised Catholic, is that a lot of the more active in social movements types wanted to be priests or nuns when they were younger. I think there’s a genuine desire to do good, but the problem is politicians and politics can’t be good—at least not entirely and at least not if they want to hold power. The more radical your politics the more evil, unfortunately, will have to be done to implement them.
Honestly I think that’s what gave the fascists an advantage in the 20th century. They just wanted it more. There’s an old quote from Hitler, I think, where he talks about beating the antifascists in Germany, and he just says straight up: “well we won because they were too pussy to just kill us.” Moral restraint isn’t something Fascists are really known for.
Trump’s a great modern example of this. He just
does. He dares the law to do shit, and liberals for all their fetishizing of our “sacred institutions” have shown those institutions to be hollow.
There’s a great scene at the tail end of “M: Son of the Century” where ᴉuᴉlossnW is confronting the Italian parliament and daring them to use their power to depose them, and they just pussy out. They’re scared. In no small part because they see blackshirts staring down on them from the rafters. Well the way I see it, you could achieve a similar effect with red guards, but that’s beside the point.
That’s the people you’re up against. You’ve got to ask what are you willing to do and how far you’re willing to go to beat them.
>>2394890>Dude! She likes himSo?
>sources tell CNNOh wow. Sources!
>>2394892>So?You are in an abyss of denial right now
>Oh wow. Sources!Time stamp 3:50
https://youtu.be/s6GznjxPEkQ?si=ebD8XpVdcqG_y8UG >>2394905You aren't answering the question so let me rephrase. You and CNN are on the same page here, does that mean you are a liberal zionist who loves CNN? Probably right?
>Time stamp 3:50So why didn't you use that from the start you retard. He always said he'd never use the phrase himself and discouraging using it means next to nothing. Like what will he do in your eyes?
>>2394916Someone’s having a real big melty now.
>So why didn't you use that from the start youBecause I’m lazy, and because I enjoy giving reformists false hope in one moment before proceeding to viciously rip out said false hope in the next.
>discouraging using it means next to nothingHoly cope
>>2394921You still haven't given a response by the way. Just saying "u-u mad" won't make me stop asking you by the way.
>Because I’m lazy, I can see that.
>Holy copeStill waiting for an answer you shitlib.
>>2394911>He won't.i know, but time and time again this show to be a way for the proles to rack up wins that strengths the collective millitancy of the proletariat, the biggest characteristic of liberals and the soft socialism like bernie is lack of desire for the engage in any struggle for desired achievements the working class wants when even engaging in it, even if you are defeated, will embolden for more call to action.
Mamadi COULD be elected and every time the council try to stop him he COULD mobilize people and put everything to the ground until the reforms get put into place, but that is too much for these socialists and liberals, so he wont.
>>2394930DSA can't mobilize that many people and all the trade unions in America are shackled by laws forcing them to be strictly economist in nature rather than political. If they strike without approval they get fired. No one is going to lose their jobs for free train fare.
Mamadani and the DSA have no base to mobilize even if they wanted to (they don't) and so this strategy would never work for them.
It's almost like electoralism is a dead end, and it's almost like this is the system working EXACTLY as designed. I suspect people like Mamadani and AOC know this, too, and they are involved in politics mostly for their own egoistic reasons or because they want to save capitalism from the left.
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>>2394953 >>2394958>You agreed with themI agreed with the video evidence, and posted the cnn article out of laziness and the desire for your tears.
>You and Cuomo/The Democratic Party>so you're a liberal zionist, correct?Incorrect. Your false equivalence shows your desperation for a reality that simply does not exist.
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