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>>2394968If he actually believed in anything there would be no need to put pressure on him to keep to his convictions.
But of course, he only believes in saving capitalism.
What did Marx mean by this?
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htm>But let us have done with the bourgeois objections to Communism.
<We have seen above, that the first step in the revolution by the working class is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling class to win the battle of democracy.
>The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degrees, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organised as the ruling class; and to increase the total of productive forces as rapidly as possible.
>Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionising the mode of production.
>These measures will, of course, be different in different countries.
>Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.
<1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.<2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.<3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.<4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.<5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.<6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.<7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.<8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.<9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.<10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c, &c. Is Marx a filthy "electoralist" (where did this word come from by the way?)
>>2394987It's pretty telling that you posted a clip from a "comedy" made by avowed fascists to support your stance of why we should support Mamadani.
The big man was right. Social democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism.
>>2395025not quite, right after your highlighted "battle of democracy":
<The proletariat will use its political supremacywhich means there has already been a successful proletarian revolution which has smashed the bourgeois state which is its class dictatorship and established a proletarian state where the proletariat has political supremacy in the "public sector"…
>to wrest, by degrees, all capital from the bourgeoisiethis is not reformism under capitalism but gradual confiscation of bourgeois private property by the above-mentioned proletarian state. it's only gradual because they will resist violently and be put down violently
>to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the Statewhich is to say nationalization and state-owned monopoly and central planning
>i.e., of the proletariat organised as the ruling classreiterating that the revolution has already happened and the proletariat is the ruling class
>and to increase the total of productive forces as rapidly as possible.here the goal is to lower the socially necessary labor time of essential commodities by advancing technology to the degree of post-scarcity
>Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property"despotic inroads" again, a proletarian dictatorship. not a pluralist liberal multiclass democracy.
>and on the conditions of bourgeois productionyou inherit the conditions and scars of the capitalist society and can't change everything at once, hence the "gradual" not in the reformist sense, but in the sense of needing time to transform things through the proletarian dictatorship.
>by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionising the mode of production.it will take time to reach a post-scarcity society
If you wanted to make the point you were trying to make you should've quoted Lenin in pic related, not Marx.
>>2395052Never said any of that, stop the strawman.
the point is that brasilian third worlders aren't that keen on Lula because he's not that guy, he's barely a succdem, much less a champion of the third world.
and the Hat war was just a little show with no substance.
>>2395077I posted this:
>>2395053>>2395060>>2395071and then you say "you post only memes." revealing you are not serious. so suck my dick.
>>2395080Ehh, the combativeness is still there. It’s just directed at each other, is usually sad as shit because of how poorly thought out it was, and ultimately just pointless nihilism.
Like after Jan 6th and Trump’s mansion being raided, didn’t some boomers try shooting at FBI offices and got killed?
>>2395084As a NEET I'm more than happy to do this, but the actual workers you're fighting for will call you an enemy if you even suggest violence or even sabotage. Liberalism has so firmly consumed the proletariat in this country that they've devolved into a learned helplessness, and any attempt to break them out of it is seen as too radical. Most proles in America unfortunately don't actually want more control in the workplace. They just want more money. America's worker culture is totally devoid of analysis because workers do not see themselves as part of a class but merely individuals all struggling down the same path, trying to escape the unfortunate fate of being "poor".
I'm not sure to what degree it's a chickeuygh situation but Liberalism has completely stripped the American worker of any kind of class identity or solidarity, and I don't see how this can possibly be repaired without going down the path of race war.
>>2395084Ahem:
>>2395033SOCIALIST. BOXING. RINGS.
Even now you yearn for the belt. You long for the arena. What do you think Spartacus was? That’s right, a gladiator, aka ancient UFC.
>>2395099The antidote to liberalism and individualism is collective action, and the way you get to collective action is by getting groups of people to fight back, and you get more people to fight back by demonstrating bravery on your own. We're already starting to get the ball rolling: Luigi Mangione has a huge approval rating especially among the youth, and the ongoing federal occupation of California is being met with increased efforts of communities to hamper ICE's kidnapping attempts. People are scared and apathetic, but they're slowly starting to wake up. By making a point of resisting more and resisting harder, we inspire more to take up the mantle.
So hey, maybe you just need to gather some buddies and BREAK STUFF. Even if it doesn't do much, the simple act of BREAKING STUFF as it were will inspire others to BREAK STUFF harder and better, because you've shown that it's possible to do it and get away with it. Rome wasn't built in a day and all that
>>2395101I dont wanna fight other socialists though, I wanna bash the fash with baseball bats!
>>2395089The combativeness of Americans is mostly only ever directed downwards on the social/class hierarchy. Because America is the Great Satan. People will abuse retail workers because they are below them. They will abuse low level public servants for the same. Taking out your frustrations on those who don't have the power to defend themselves is an American pastime. Americans will die to protect those above them in the hierarchy from prosecution, commit any financial crime to take the fall for their corporate leaders, but when it comes to Epstein or Uvalde, when it's about protecting those who are the most vulnerable, those who cannot reward you and only ask you to help out of the goodness of your heart, Americans are completely helpless and unable to act.
Anyway, I've come to the conclusion that America's proles are their own worst enemy and the only actual path to Communism in America is through the collapse of the state; whether it's through violent revolution or foreign invasion or Trump dying of a heart attack without a successor.
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>>2395103Stupidpol thought
Bernie? Social fascist
Trump? A man of the people who could easily be brought to our side
>>2395110>So hey, maybe you just need to gather some buddies and BREAK STUFF. Even if it doesn't do much, the simple act of BREAKING STUFF as it were will inspire others to BREAK STUFF harder and better, because you've shown that it's possible to do it and get away with it. Rome wasn't built in a day and all thatLemme give you an example of the helplessness of the American prole:
I live in a relatively middle class city, or about as middle class as you can be in the Bay Area I guess. The local sanitation worker union has been on strike for weeks now over contract disagreements, and garbage is piling up in people's trashcans. You would think workers would have some empathy with the people that pick up their trash every week and keep the city clean. But most boomers you talk to will just say they hope the city sues the union for "disrupting" their garbage pickup schedule. I think the strike ended today but I was disheartened everyday seeing people at work shitting on the sanitation workers for using what little bargaining power they have.
>>2395116Nah, White women are just racist against Asian women for some reason. Also they lie about liking plus size women but would never wanna be plus sized themselves. Also men are racist against black women.
>>2395130Confronting your insecurities and overcoming them is good for you.
Instead of crying about Asian women over superficial jealousy maybe white women should try dressing normal instead of hiding behind baggy jeans and hoodies.
>>2395149His whole idea was “yeah we could live in a socialist utopia but people are evil so they deserve to suffer and die in the gulags”
He wasn’t a prínciped Marxist-Leninist but he also wasn’t an edgelord who used communist imagery purely for shock value like some people paint him as
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/18/this-is-a-much-better-place-wsj-bombshell-unites-a-frayed-maga-00464182‘This is a much better place’: WSJ bombshell unites a frayed MAGA>The Wall Street Journal’s report alleging Trump sent a lewd birthday letter to Epstein offered the administration and the president’s supporters a chance to shift the narrative to more comfortable ground where Trump is the victim and the so-called elites are the target. And they believe it gives credence to the president’s argument earlier this week that the Epstein story has been a “witchhunt” that plays into Democrats’ hands.>“Thank God for Dems and media overreach on this,” said a person close to the administration, granted anonymity to speak candidly. “It saves us every time.”..
>The sudden rush to defend Trump comes after weeks of intraparty fighting during which influential conservatives such as Laura Loomer warned the “poorly” handled Epstein saga could “consume” Trump’s presidency, and the president said he no longer wanted the support of people who believed in the Epstein “hoax.”>But within hours of the Wall Street Journal publishing, even those who had accused the Trump administration of mishandling the Epstein episode were rushing to defend the president.>Loomer called the story “totally fake.” Elon Musk, who last month in a since deleted social media post said Trump was in the Epstein files, said the letter “sounds bogus.” Charlie Kirk, who pushed Trump for more Epstein transparency, said the Journal piece “doesn’t pass the smell test.”>“The ‘new’ target is the ‘original’ target — the Deep State and its media partners. President Trump and MAGA are always more effective on offense,” Steve Bannon, the former Trump strategist and War Room podcast host, told POLITICO. “Unity of forces to attack, attack, attack.”..
>But it’s unclear how long the reprieve will last. In the wake of the Journal report, Trump also called on Bondi to unseal “pertinent” grand jury material from the Epstein case. But that may not be enough to quell the calls from Trump supporters who want the entirety of the Epstein files released.>Matthew Bartlett, a GOP strategist and former Trump administration appointee, said the Journal piece has made the Epstein story a “purely partisan issue” — but it remains to be seen how long the MAGA unity lasts. Additional action in the courts and among bipartisan lawmakers calling for the release of all of the files could drag out the MAGA backlash, he said.>But, for now, Loomer, Kirk and Bannon are again singing from the same hymnal. >>2395194banned from life, in fact
antisemitsm has no place
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