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Let us hear a few words from our fellow British comrade, Thomas Scripps, on Corbyn's new party:

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/08/03/duqf-a03.html

Corbyn and Sultana’s new party—In their own words

<Jeremy Corbyn and Zarah Sultana have given their first interviews on the new party they announced last week. They make clear that the organisation, with the placeholder name “Your Party”, will offer the working class no change from the political spinelessness displayed by Corbyn as leader of the Labour Party…

☝️🤓 first!

>>2416824
>The Socialist Equality Party rejects the idea that the left-wing, anti-war aspirations of millions of workers and young people can be advanced through these forces: the semi-reformist dregs of a prolonged period of political reaction. What is required is a revolutionary party built on the principles of uncompromising class struggle and socialist internationalism.
🔥🔥🔥

>>2416824
based , even the trots of the WSWS see this for the sham it is

>>2416291
religious rights trump animal rights, apparently:
>Legislation requires that animals must be stunned prior to slaughter so that they are unconscious and insensible to pain. The only exception to the requirement to stun is where animals are slaughtered in accordance with religious rites. The Government would prefer animals to be stunned before slaughter but respects the rights of Jews and Muslims to eat meat prepared in accordance with their beliefs.
https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2025-01-14/23993

Keir Starmer should join Corbyn's party

>>2416917
>Keir Starmer
Literally who? some student politics type?

>>2416862
Kosher / Halal slaughter practices should be made illegal.

>>2417039
would be nice, wouldnt it?

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>>2416862
Rules for me, not for thee.

>>2417639
Politicians shit on Islam and Christianity all the time. Islam gets attacked from the right and Christianity from the left. However there is one other religion and people of which nobody is allowed to insult.

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>>2416824
Trots being wreckers. Nothing new. Corbyn maybe a labourite, but his following and movement can potentially open political opportunities for socialists. And Corbyn certainly offers much more than trot sects, who only have political dogma, and nothing much else.

>>2417639
religion is a civic ideology while communism is a political ideology. im sure fascists feel "offended" that theyre disrespected also, but its immaterial to social concerns.

>>2417662
the issue is that when we consider politics to be a religious affair, then we create de facto theocracies, which prohibit criticism. now, you might say that this is already the case in some capacity, but i do think that in liberalism we are at least allowed to hold pluralistic views due to a separation of powers. if the communist church and the communist state are combined however, then all heretics are burned at the stake. personally, im not someone who is comfortable with presupposing my own correctness, but believe in mediated opposition.

>>2417639
if you have an irrational belief in communism, it's possible it would be protected by the equality act (but probably not, because the loophole would be "communism killed 11 gazillion and therefore is not worthy of respect in a democratic society"), that's the trick TERFs used. it has to be irrational though because the EA2010 is dogshit. (a belief that changes when the evidence does gets zero protection)

Why are the leaders of the british radical right (Reform and Advance UK) both Pakistani??

>>2416862
a belief is not a right

>>2417682
controlled opposition

>>2417682

The founder of Advance UK went to a private school, Cambridge, went straight into finance as an analyst for Lehman Brothers, entered the property business
When he went into politics, he was a candidate for the brexit party, was elected and was the wealthiest MEP at the time.
They want an anti-immigration party because they see the current level of immigration as destabilising. Still, they don't want to cede it to an actual, full-on racialist party, so, in a way, I guess it is a controlled operation of sorts, and at the same time, they can make money off retards as a grift and defend certain business interests they have.

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>>2417700
>racialist party
the only racialism i see is how british political leadership is becoming entirely BAME.
we have kami badenoch for the tories
ben habib for advance uk
zia yusuf for for reform
zarah sultana for JCP
mothin ali for the greens (shortly to be)
humza yousaf for the SNP (formerly)
the only white party left is labour, led by SStarmer

"fell for it again award" ceremony incoming?

>>2417718
why do you come here? seriously nothing better to do?

>>2417724
why do you sagepost? seriously nothing better to do?

Kami Badenoch will lead the Anglo-Saxon to victory

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>>2417727
she is the reincarnation of queen guinevere
sultana is the reincarnation of gaelic brigid

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>>2417700
>Still, they don't want to cede it to an actual, full-on racialist party
<implying
These are the real racialists.

Can anyone else just not get their head around nationalism in this country? It always just seems completely alien, expressions of it in public life vaguely repulsive.
Can't we just do something else instead this is going to get so farcical.

>>2417639
Business idea: Let's declare communism a religion.

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Can anyone tell me what's the deal with Corbyn? I always see someone attacking him or trying to blackmail the guy.

>>2416862
>article about brits dismembering cats for clout
>yeah but what about moslemz
okay

>>2416862
>>2417039

Halal food animal rights shit is the most stupid right wing talking point, it is frustratingly annoying. Like come the fuck on you do not care about animal right. Actually makes me seethe. I hope you are halal slaughtered.

>>2418524
Wrong. We're doing what about chinamen actually.

Met someone I used to go to school with earlier (I'm late 20s), we weren't best friends but we used to play video games together and "shoot the shit" as the Americans say.
Anyways we get to talking about religion and politics and he tells me he identifies as a Democratic Socialist / left of Labour, but also that he identifies as a Norse Pagan.
Honestly I'm uncertain of what to make of it tbh… Anyone else feel Paganism gives them "the ick" as the women say?
I get the impression it tends to be full of Nazis and White Supremacists and use lots of symbols that are also used by Nazis.
Why does someone with otherwise tolerable views have to be such a LARPer smh smh smh
/blog

>>2418734
I'd say it was deeply suspicious since the ukraine war kicked up in gears. It was always big with euro nazi's but kind of got mainstream view with the war, not really any excuse for them.

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>>2418734
There are two types of Pagan in the year 2025 and your friend sounds like the one on the right.

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GIVE ME MARROWS OR GIVE ME DEATH

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>>2418168
He's a Islamist and an avid Jew-hater. They call him جيزا قاتل اليهود(Jezza The Jew-Slayer.)

A No. 10 staffer has revealed that the "selling off allotments" policy was issued in revenge after Jeremy Corbyn announced his new party.
The staffer claims there was a meeting on Monday to decide how to react to Corbyn, and this decision got passed and Rayner was sent out to enforce it.

>>2417662
It's very clearly a geopolitical issue with racial problems integrated into the discourse. Nobody is truly Islamophobic, they are Antii Arab and anti poor. They just don't say it out loud for fears of losing standing socially

>>2418734
Man is a hippie. Not that deep

Corbyn is a cool guy

>Asked specifically by Owen Jones, “Do you think Labour’s dead?”, Corbyn refused to say so. Instead he described how “a lot of Labour MPs come and search me out in the library” and whisper furtively, “‘Jeremy, I think you’re doing the right thing’… Are they going to come over to my party? No. But are they going to work with us? Yes.”

>Corbyn is still so wedded to Labourism that he can talk about Tony Blair in almost wistful tones, telling Jones that his 1997 government—which Margaret Thatcher called her greatest achievement—was an “interesting conundrum”.


>>2418799
and corbun still clings onto the vague hope he can work with labour MPs.

>>2418871
>Instead he described how “a lot of Labour MPs come and search me out in the library” and whisper furtively, “‘Jeremy, I think you’re doing the right thing’… Are they going to come over to my party? No. But are they going to work with us? Yes.”
Another way to look at this quote is that Labour has Corbyn sympathisers at the parliamentary level. And the quote is good propaganda for sowing dissent in Labour.

>>2418534
>you are racist and should die if you criticise non-stun animal slaughter
whats the muslim equivalent of a shabbos goy? a complicit kafir?
>>2418524
its interesting that if i were personally performing halal and/or kosher slaughter, i would be called a sadistic psychopath who might become a serial killer, yet if i slapped a religious sticker on it and sold it to the public, i would have legal exemption for my profits - same way you can mutilate a child's genitals if you call it sacramental. theres a contradiction in the law.

>>2418734
pagan generally means that you are an atheist who has rejected christian morality.

>>2418871
You fucking dumbass. This means that either a)he has fellow travellers within the PLP or b) bluffing to force Stramer to make concessions to the left wing of the party or c) people who are ready to defect to his party once he has it up and running so that he can snatch headline

>>2419393
>You fucking dumbass. This means that either a)he has fellow travellers within the PLP or b) bluffing to force Stramer to make concessions to the left wing of the party or c) people who are ready to defect to his party once he has it up and running so that he can snatch headline
Yep. Ultras, and isolated sects, don't know how the game is played.

>>2417639
>Why is Islamophobia or Antisemitism or Christianophobia bad when they are just fucking ideologies?
Because it is more than the religion. Anti-semitism could care less about the religious ideology of Judaism, they racialised it. So Karl Marx is a Jew and would be discriminated as a Jew despite not being raised Jewish at all. Non-religious Jews who so happened to run from their ethnic Jewish background end up getting exposed as having Jewish heritage. Islamophobia is linked to just hating brown people case and point is a Sikh man getting hate crimed for being a "muslim".

>>2419386
Are you vegan anon?


https://archive.is/wH81c

>UK construction activity plunges in July


>UK construction activity in July fell at the sharpest rate since 2020, dragged down by a drop in housebuilding, undermining a key government pledge to boost the number of homes built.


>S&P Global’s UK Construction Purchasing Managers’ index, a closely watched gauge tracking activity in the sector, showed a fall in July to 44.3, down from 48.8 in June, the steepest drop since May 2020. A number below 50 signals a contraction in activity.


>The fall exceeded economists’ expectations, with those polled by LSEG predicting a flat reading.


>Civil engineering and commercial construction activity both contracted, S&P noted on Wednesday, “but a considerable drag came from a fresh drop in residential building”. Construction businesses cited site delays, fewer new orders and weaker customer confidence.


>Joe Hayes, principal economist at S&P Global Market Intelligence, said that UK constructors were preparing for “challenging times” ahead.


>“They’re buying less materials and reducing the number of workers on the payroll,” he said.


>“Expectations also continue to underwhelm, despite a modest pick-up in confidence from June’s two-and-a-half-year low.”


>Composite data also published by S&P Global on Wednesday, which includes manufacturing and services, fell slightly to 50.8 in July from 51.7 the previous month.

>>2419456
>UK construction activity plunges in July
'Recession Indicator' as the kids say.

Military is really pushing adverts hard right now lol

>>2419568
>die for israel while your homeland is replenished with africans

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>>2419568
Getting ready for Starms Irish campaign.

>>2419568
Must be the 5% increase.

Partially related reading:
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/07/24/cngm-j24.html
<NATO moves to militarize Rotterdam port in plan for total war on Russia

>>2419573
I thought people like you think Israel is based?

>>2419386
>whats the muslim equivalent of a shabbos goy? a complicit kafir?
It's Dhimmi.
I doubt any of the methods we use for slaughter are truly painless and ethical though. I am fine with hurting animals for food at the end of the day.
>>2419568
The UK still have a military?

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brits explain

>>2419750
Trans right is White right bros…

>>2419750
So, according to Reform UK, they are sending "men" to women's prisons. Am I getting this right? Or does Reform recognize trans women as women?

>>2419819
There are many currents in feminism. Sex negative and sex positive are the obvious examples.

>>2419819
Feminism is actually cancer, though. If Gender Ideology destroy feminism then it have my full support.

>>2419750
Hands off our transgenders, they're part of our western culture

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>>2419819
Feminism be like:
>gimmie dat surplus value so i can redistribute to unproductive women
>gimmie dat gender quotas
>make all aspects of society and culture woman-inclusive or else
>make all the women in video games and movies ugly or else
>some shit about fat Women of Color quotas in movies about King Arthur
>you better watch netflix adolescence sissy hypno or else
>the concept of beauty being misogynistic
>body positivity
>if you're not a zioshill you hate Women
>i'm censoring your shit moid
>regret is Rape
>completely oneshotted all leftist party in the west into becoming unmanly and gay just to stab them in the back over mild disagreement on one single issue
Gender ideology:
>vaguely annoying online
>don't want to get gay raped by Omar Von Der Islamabad in prison over edgy posts on social media
>wants to make roids legal
I know which one i'm backing, honestly.

>Plato
>On a Marxist forum
omds

>>2419904
Plato is the realest communist out there

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>>2419600
like me?
>>2419619
>dhimmi
ah, thank you. "jizya" is a tax which the dhimmis pay.
>I am fine with hurting animals for food at the end of the day.
the question is less to do with the method itself and more to do with the exception which religions have against the law. all political issues really centre in on this primary contradiction - israel has exception to the law; illegal immigrants have exception to the law; islam in the UK has exception to the law, etc.
what this immanently reveals is the notion of universality being an equal standard of fairness - this sense of justice begins in the family, where the parent affirms their own exception against the child - "do as i say, not as i do". plato also discusses the noble lie, or necessary evil at the heart of power (what carl schmitt would call "sovereignty") - tensions then arise in giving enquiry to this fact, which originate in the inequality of the household. our frustrations then manifest from this earlier period in life. a child always speaks the truth when they say "its not fair!", and so they learn to be liars themselves. original sin. 🥀

>>2419904
philistine
>>2419905
plato only thought the ideal guardians could live in common, and saw that the rest of society had to exist in a caste system. aristotle is more critical of class inequality, but is ultimately a succdem, advocating for redistribution. epicurus is usually the proto-communist phiosopher people look towards.

>>2419906
If it was Poles "replenishing ""your"" country" would it be fine since they are white?

https://archive.is/wwLTr

Rachel Reeves faces £51bn hole in the public finances, think-tank warns

>Rachel Reeves faces a £51bn black hole in the public finances, according to an influential think-tank that warned the chancellor will be forced to raise taxes in the autumn Budget if she is to meet her spending pledges and stick to her fiscal rules.


>Forecasts published by the National Institute for Economic and Social Research on Wednesday suggested that Reeves would need to fill a hole of £41.2bn in October’s Budget to stay on course to meet her key fiscal target of balancing day-to-day spending with revenues by 2029-2030.


>The shortfall would rise to £51.1bn if Reeves were to restore the headroom of £9.9bn she had previously built into her plans.


>Niesr argued that the chancellor needed to build an even larger buffer than the “wafer thin” £9.9bn margin of error to avoid “prolonged economic uncertainty arising from piecemeal policy tinkering”.


>Niesr’s estimate is even more pessimistic than those of other forecasters, some of whom have warned that the hole in the government’s finances could be about £20bn.


>It rests on an assumption that the Office for Budget Responsibility, the fiscal watchdog, has been overestimating the UK’s long-term growth potential.


>It also takes into account recent reversals of planned welfare reforms and data showing borrowing has overshot forecasts.


>With spending plans for the next three years largely fixed, “the only lever available is to raise taxation in a moderate but sustained way”, the think-tank said. But “the most politically acceptable choices . . . would either raise very little revenue or would have large distortionary effects”.


>Ministers have repeatedly said they will stick to manifesto pledges not to raise taxes on “working people” but have given mixed messages on what this might mean.


>Darren Jones, chief secretary to the Treasury, suggested last month that the promise might only apply to the headline rate of key taxes such as income tax, national insurance and VAT.


>David Aikman, director of Niesr, said “gradual but sustained” tax increases or spending cuts were inevitable and argued that raising income tax rates would be the best way to rebuild a fiscal buffer.


>“Something will have to give,” he said on Wednesday.


>Niesr said extending a freeze on income tax thresholds — a policy that Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer last month refused to rule out — would raise an extra £5.8bn by 2029-30.


>This is less than in the past because slower wage growth would mean fewer people saw their earnings rise into new tax brackets.

>>2419905
>>2419915
i was thinking yesterday too that xenophon is clearly a proto-neoliberal, so add that to the list.
>>2419924
>poles
>white
🤔😜

>But prolonging the freeze — which was implemented by the previous Conservative government and is set to run until April 2028 — would hit poorer households especially hard, Niesr warned, after a period when sharp rises in food and housing costs had already eroded their disposable income.

>Lowering the rate of tax relief on pension contributions could raise as much as £15bn, Niesr noted, but would discourage savings, with negative effects on the economy.


>Changes to national insurance contributions, corporation tax or VAT could also raise significant revenues, but these would discourage job creation, deter investment or hit the poorest most, the think-tank said.


>While reforms to council tax, though politically difficult, could be part of the solution, for Reeves to “really shift the dial . . . rises in income tax rates are likely to be the best answer”, Niesr added.


>The Treasury said it would not speculate on the updated forecasts that the Office for Budget Responsibility would publish at the autumn Budget, adding that the government would focus on growing the economy as “the best way to strengthen the public finances”.

in the UK, telling the truth is illegal 🤫
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy85e43kg95o
>A police officer is facing a criminal investigation for allegedly sharing CCTV footage of violence that broke out between officers and two men at Manchester Airport. Footage was shared widely on social media of the disturbance in July last year, with Mohammed Fahir Amaaz last week being found guilty at Liverpool Crown Court of attacking two female police officers. The Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) confirmed a Greater Manchester Police officer was being investigated on suspicion of sharing a video relating to an active police investigation without any legitimate policing purpose.
<After 10 hours of deliberating, the jury was unable to reach verdicts on allegations that Amaaz and his brother, Muhammad Amaad, 26, assaulted PC Zachary Marsden causing actual bodily harm [BECAUSE of the purposefully omitted footage at the time]. A retrial on those counts has been set for April 2026.

>>2419997
That picture is arousing.

>>2419934
Of course not, herr anonymous.

>>2419997
>in the UK, telling the truth is illegal 🤫
Why have so many people just forgotten what the fucking concept of contempt of court is. Srsly these dumb cunts will go "this guy that I have no proof of doing a crime is guilty!" and then surprised pikachu face when they get done for biasing a court. It isnt fucking complicated lads.

>>2420011
greatest irony ofc is that its the slavic (slave) people who are the biggest wignat "fell for it again" retards today.
>>2420019
biasing a court toward the correct decision, yes. there is a retrial in 2026, so at least justice will be served then.

>whites-only community being planned in wales

>>2420057
They should be their own country so we can have an immigration deal with them and we deport our refugees theres

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EVERY homeless person in liverpool city centre is white. disproportinate subhumanity in our ranks.

there are more and more refugees fleeing londonistan; maybe they can go to wales instead of up here in the norf. import the souf, become the souf.

bring back the death penalty ffs

What is his end game?

>>2420236
to lose in a close race to labour in the next general election

lucy letby scepticism has gone mainstream

>>2420240
It’s literally not possible to lose to labour at this point, the tories are the only wetter bags in the room

>>2420267
yes, reform might win, but farage does not want to be a leader. he is terrified of what he has created.

>>2420293
Why? I get wanting to be a media personality instead of head of state but why would he be afraid of his supporters?

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>>2420297
he is afraid of inevitably failing his supporters by not giving them what they want. after brexit, farage could have easily been PM, but he doesnt want to be; he would rather make big chungus cameos than have a principled platfotn - he was even ready to forfeit on brexit itself. like many on the right, he wants to lose, so that he has an excuse for his victim complex. the rights entire platform is a general complaint; it is a negative platform - thats why they shit themselves whenever theyre in power, since they have to actually do something instead of pointing fingers. but farage is also a moderate, saying that robert jenrick is to the right of him; claiming that the far right are thugs and so on. he is not a real populist, just an opportunist. as we see, labour are just effortlessly more competent than the tories, like how the democrats are more competent than the republicans in the US, so my prediction is that if nige gets in, immigration and crime will get even worse, like how the economy got worse under thatcher

>>2420251
I saw the other night the documentary about the kidnapping of Chloe Ayling, I realise that the media has just reached the level of witch hunts. Gut feelings that this or that person is guilty of something is as important or even more important than real evidence.

>>2420024
>biasing a court toward the correct decision,
Seriously is this an american thing? Like nobody cared about british court laws until like 2 years ago and now everyone thinks its their god given right to leak evidence before a trial.

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>>2420057
A bunch of anglophones colonising Y Fro Gymraeg is it?

>>2420354
it was evidence which was omitted, thats why the jury's judgement was ambiguous - when the full video shows the truth. there is a retrial in 2026 for this reason, so if they werent lying in the first place, we wouldnt have yto waste more time on it

>>2420371
Tbh the evidence was omitted because you can see one of the police officers kicking and attempting to stamp on the head of the accused while restrained, so yes the video does prove that the accused punched the female police officer in the face knowingly and intentionally, but I assume it was omitted because it demonstrates police brutality that would have paid credence to the accused’s claim they were acting in self-defence and just scared

>>2419819
Feminism in london is famously like this, upper-middle class retards who do politics downstream of twitter.com.

>>2419997
>telling le truth is illigal!!!!11
<contempt of court
fuck off tommy, you're supposed to be in a police cell.

>>2420447
Takes a retard to not realise that not staring down the top of a co-worker and being respectful towards someone who sells pictures of their tits aren’t contradictory requests

>>2420461
Takes a bigger retard not to realise that prostitution and the objectification of women's bodies involves the sale of sex and so forth for profit

Deeply unmarxist!

>>2420556
Non sequitur copepost

>>2420559
I too need to justify the ethics of my onlyfans subscriptions

Reminder that feminist universal suffrage was a policy promoted by bloodthirsty, crazed fascists while restricting women's right to vote was a policy favoured by learned, level-headed Marxists with the interests of the working man in mind.

It didn't have to be this way.

>>2420562
Non sequitur copecel post

The scientists are claims that the odds of being born into existence are 400 trillion to 1.
1 : 400,000,000,000,000
According to your point of view that's insane good / bad luck huh?
It's like on part with winning the lottery but then lightning strikes your ticket and burns it, but then you enter the lottery again next week and win again, only then you get struck by lightning and die…

>>2420564
Of the 3 Pankhurst sisters:
One (Christabel) moved to California and joined a Jehovah's Witnesses type Christian end times apocalypse cult.
One (Adela) was a Marxist-Leninist, then moved to Australia and literally founded the Australian Communist Party, before later leaving it to do a political 180 turn and become a Hitler supporting Fascist.
And the last one, (Sylvia) was a Pannekoek style Council Communist, then an anti-imperialism activist living throughout Africa, before eventually becoming a supporter of Haile Selassie's imperial monarchist bourgeois regime in the mistaken belief that Imperial oppression by Africans was somehow good just because it wasn't White colonisers doing it…
She became a guest of his court, and was partially responsible for creating the Rastafari movement.

>>2420380
>Tbh the evidence was omitted because you can see one of the police officers kicking and attempting to stamp on the head of the accused while restrained
cant stand people who barge in with conjecture. the jury were shown the footage of the police officer kicking the suspect, you pillock. thats why the media immediately called the case a racist hate crime - but when the bodycam footage was released to the public, everyone saw it for what it was; a moment of chaotic violence from the suspect and frustration from the police officer. i believe they are sacking the police pfficer in this case, yet the two monsters who tased the 92-year-old amputee to death have walked free. injustice reigns.
>>2420450
if only they would release the CCTV footage of yaxley-lennon's incident as well 🤔

>>2421125
>That video
What the fuck was the point

traitor, shabbatt goodwin BTFO'd once again by patriot, aaron BASEDani

>>2421202
police are cowardly bullies, so like to victimise the powerless rather than go after real threats.

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neema parvini continues his stalinist journey by bashing trotsky as a father of the modern right

>>2421203

Novara meda are the the greatest sucdem faggots in existence in uk

>>2421248
youre thinking of JOEpolitics

>>2421221
The winds of history are being swept away, even in the minds of [some] right wingers.

Got a DNS outage for half of the websites I click on irrespective of the browser

Worried it's all the books I've downloaded from libgen

>>2421277
Yeah you’re done for, I’d flee while you still can

>>2421279
Only news site that loads is the guardian as well.

Uncle Ben's not only removed Ben from the logo and name (apparently the mere representation of black people is racist?), but now they've gone even further and are using AI generated images of food on their packages.
When will the madness end? Starmer MUST intervene.

>>2421302
aunt jemima and uncle ben being removed while quaker oats remains is white supremacist black erasure

>>2421302
Wow corp branding changes millions must die

>>2421319
millions must buy*

>>2421319
We should oppose black erasure and the clankkka menace

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B-but I was told the Yoots love Farage!!!

>>2421221
I saw the man fucking quoting Grover Furr recently the Basket Weavers are gonna end up joining CPGB-ML.

>>2421352
Grover Furr is right.
I've never seen a criticism of Grover Furr that wasn't some ad hominem drek ("Stalinist apologist!" "Stalin bootlicker!")

Like so? Who cares? Is he right?

Can you point to anywhere in his work where he is wrong? Has he falsified a footnote like every liberal and trot historian?

Crickets.

Furr is undefeated

>>2421248
BASEDtani is smart

>>2421374
h has some shit takes like recently he was whinging when transport workers get battered for being jobs worths. Overall decent though.

>>2421399
the patriotic line on rail transport is nationalisation, while you seem to be providing apologia for privatisation

>>2421307
Quakers are the freemasons of supermarket cereal aisles

>rising food costs
>cant find a job
>UC meeting on the 14th
It's over, isn't it?

>>2421248
You’re thinking of James O’Brian and LBC more geny

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>>2421504
>You’re thinking of James O’Brian and LBC more geny
James O’Brian isn't a sucdem though. He's just a "centrist" liberal.

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What the fuck lmao

>>2421548
>be women prisons
?

>>2421580
Whyd jews want to replace angloids
Angloids are the biggest asslickers of Israel

If they want to replace anyone itd be replacing Arab countries with Indians and Brazilians

>>2421581
>Whyd jews want to replace angloids
In 1982 Israel supplied weapons to Argentina to kill English people because they were still mad over British soldiers executing Irgun terrorists in the 1940s. They hate everyone who has oppressed them histrionically, which bizarrely enough is every society which has ever came into contact with them.

>Angloids are the biggest asslickers of Israel

Most Anglos hate Israel. Our political class is just so infested with Zionists that state policy doesn't reflect popular sentiment. The exact same principle applies in all Middle Eastern countries too, except for Iran and Yemen.

Are you anglos joining Corbyn's New Party?

>>2419844
>rebel absurdity
That's a name, I haven't heard in a long time.
I wonder what happened to her

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>>2421580

>>2421588
>Israelis send weapons to Argentina because they are mad about the Irguns
Well why didn't the Israelis send weapons to the IRA then?
The argentinian regime just had a huge amount of dealings with many states in the Western gun running scene. A lot of Argentinian armaments ended in the hands of Croat soldiers during the Yugo wars for example

>>2421476
and keloggs is the je(w)hova's witness

>>2421580
>t. oliver cromwell, 1656

>>2421619
>Well why didn't the Israelis send weapons to the IRA then?
Because the Palestinians already were, is the simple answer.
>The argentinian regime just had a huge amount of dealings with many states in the Western gun running scene.
And almost all of those dealings ended after they invaded the Falkland Islands due to pressure from Britain and the US on various countries (France most infamously). But the Israelis went to great effort to continue supplying the Argentine Junta, while simultaneously attempting to mask their activities with the help of British Jews.

>>2420236
Giving Pissrael unlimited weapons to kill children and giving rich donors whatever they're craving.

>Israel mulling halt to security ties with UK if it recognizes Palestine — report

>“London needs to be careful because Bibi [Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu] and his ministers have cards they could play too. Israel values its partnership with the UK but recent decisions mean it is coming under pressure and the UK has a lot to lose if Israel’s government decides to take steps in response,” a diplomatic source says.


<Experts tell The Times that such a move would have serious consequences for both countries. According to the report, the Mossad spy agency passed intelligence to its British counterparts to stop an Iranian-linked terrorist plot at the Israeli embassy in London earlier this year.

>>2421643
weird how much power this middle eastern country can supposedly leverage against us 🤔

>>2421643
So they're threatening us with """""""""""Iranian"""""""""""""" terrorism

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>>2421606
>Greens (UK) in 2024

>>2421580
>white people vs other white people
white on white violence.
white on white replacement theory

>>2421653
>Greens (UK) in 2024
My local candidate was pretty good on Palestine and none of the meme parties/independents stood in my constituency.

>>2421645
Stop noticing things.

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the far right are planning more riots and violence at migrant hotels tomorrow afternoon/evening.
they want blood, they want the southport riots 2.0, they want to burn people alive inside.
he's a list of the locations and times they plan on attacking. obviously share with people who can counter but keep youselves safe idk how big this will be or maybe it's too short notice for the scum and it'll fizzle out.

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>>2421891
There should be counter-actions planned for most places. Everyone here should be turning up to them, show the fash they are outnumbered for once. Yeah I know Stand up to Racism sucks but we're going to look weak if we can't stop middle aged walruses and anorexic 16 year old nazis.

>>2421248
>Novara meda are the the greatest sucdem faggots in existence in uk
Yeah feels like sometime after the start of the genocide they got a letter or something and their editorial line became "weather the storm along our friends in Labor". Precisely when they had all the excuse t be more radical, the opposite has happened.

>>2423089
Not a single recorded case of an asylum seeker harming protesters; yet many cases of members of the british public harming asylum seekers.

>>2423089
>the fascists are good dindunuffins, they have never been violent and will never be.
Why are all the fascists and /pol/ tourists on this board such faggots?
In the past they would at least own up to their sadistic murder fantasies, but now it's nothing but whining and complaining.

>>2423102
>Not a single recorded case of an asylum seeker harming protesters
there are recorded videos of asylum seekers throwing things at protestors from the hotel windows
>yet many cases of members of the british public harming asylum seekers.
where? i havent seen a single example; yet hundreds of counter-examples exist. seems unequal to me, so i raise the issue.
>>2423103
is it fascist to oppose the subsidisation of crime? you types are bringing an ugly ultimatum on yourselves where you defend nonces over the british public.

>>2423116
>defending nonces
Please fuck off with this retarded blood libel shit.

>>2423125
>Generalisations about a group resulted in mob violence and vigilantism
Yeah? Do you think that’s justice?

>>2423116
Why are you even here, Carl Benjamin is paying you per post?

>>2421891
Calling Altrincham "Manchester" just shows how much these dickheads ARE NOT LOCALS.

>>2423403
many far right wreckers often show up and cause a disturbance at the peaceful protests. you can see this where the hooligans show up after the women and children demonstration in canary wharf. these are the same types who wanted yaxley-lennon to show up at epping.
>>2423401
i am a british leftist, so post in leftybritpol. seems rather self-evident.
>>2423143
>mob violence and vigilantism
the only people who have been hurt are the rioters themselves, just like in southport and everywhere else. there have been no victims of these demonstrations.
>justice
we have a right to protest in this country. if you think opposition to the government should be silenced, like how pro-palestine protestors are being branded as terrorists, then you show your loyalty to the ruling class, who wants the public to entirely shut up. if by justice you refer to the cause of the protest itself - what do you think is the adequate response to 3 girls being stabbed to death in broad daylight, or young girls being molested by older men, or grooming gangs with police involvement, systematically raping young girls? is anger acceptable? is frustration valid? i would go further and say that all nonces and child murderers deserve to be killed themselves - what do you say?

>>2423045
Counters are planned by fucking "Stand Up to Racism" who are doggshit at both mobilising people and actually opposing these sorts. Far more of a liability than anything.

>>2423116
>is it fascist to oppose the subsidisation of crime?
No sir, I hate crime.
Doing crime is an insult to the wonderful politicians who wrote those laws and it's an even bigger insult to the billionaires who are funding those politicians.

>>2423414
so we shouldnt pay for criminals; glad you agree :^)

>>2423045
Genuine question, why bother sticking your neck out for notoriously reactionary Afghan gusanos who were imported in secret by the military intelligence services? Leave it to the pigs who actually get paid to do it.

>>2423415
Indeed we shouldn't. Every cent going to a criminal is a cent not going to a politician or billionaire.
And as a real British patriot I will tell you that I LOOOOOOOOOOOVE billionaires and politicians.
I would even let them have sex with my wife, as long as it's lawful of course.

>>2423419
right, so you agree that we shouldnt be subsidising crime. good to know. no need to repeat yourself.

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>>2423416
Because trying to burn people alive is bad and should be stopped.

>>2423449
>burning people is.. le bad
infantile

>>2423456
Burning people IS le bad!

>>2423449
is rape bad?

>>2423410
you are no more left wing than adolf hitler

>>2423473
why not? because i think rape is bad?

Would Oliver Cromwell be Pro-Israel or Pro-Hamas today?

>>2423481
i think we all know the answer.
lord protector of zion

>>2423491
The situation is different though.

>>2423492
cromwell committed a genocide against ireland, so he has no moral doubt

>>2423481
Too distracted genociding Dublin to chime in.

>>2423416
>reactionary Afghan gusanos
<them lefty words and they will agree

>>2423410
>the only people who have been hurt are the rioters themselves
Let's keep it that way

>>2423501
why do you think people are rioting?

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>>2423410
>i would go further and say that all nonces and child murderers deserve to be killed themselves
You first

>>2423410
They don't like brown people and think they are part of something bigger fighting an onthologically baddie that lives in their head.

>>2423505
keep apologising for nonces and see what happens
>>2423506
have any of the brown people done things to warrant a negative response?

Yeah yeah everyone i dont like is a nonce and should be gassed
Meanwhile Prince Andrew is still up and running and nobody gives a damn, nor do the repeated abuses and grooming of kids in orphanages across the UK result in any structural change or riots in the streets. But it will not stop people from using pedojacketing as ammunition against specific groups that they don't like, be it migrants, trans people, conservatives, and so on

>>2423523
>implying that there are no migrant nonces
should i cite some sources or are you just playing stupid on purpose?
>prince andrew
is anyone defending prince andrew? no. yet you are defending asylum seeker nonces. thats the hypocrisy.

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I am a marxist-leninist and i stand with Prince Andrew

>>2423467
depends on what people and why

>>2423528
true INGSOC patriot of airstrip 1

>>2423524
Pls ask chavs about their opinion of having sex with drunk women and you'll quickly discover that most of Britain has no problem with casual rape

>>2423532
what would chavs say about nonces?

>>2423533
You can also ask them about the age of their girlriends
A lot of lumpen youth white or BAME have girlfriends who are stil in their early 15s, 16, 17 etc

>>2423536
Nothing wrong with that TBH

>>2423536
so chavs are nonces?

>>2423539
I'm trying to tell you that there are no 40 year old Pakistanis raping 9 year old kids man
Most of these grooming cases are either guys in their 20s dating a teenager (which a loot of white lads in the yoo kay also do) or systematic child rape rings in orphanages which has to do with defunding of these institutions

>>2423542
>I'm trying to tell you that there are no 40 year old Pakistanis raping 9 year old kids man
none at all? all these recorded rape cases were made up by the courts, then?
>Most of these grooming cases are either guys in their 20s dating a teenager
testimony from survivors say that it was pimping (trafficking) and systematic abuse - but to you (a person clearly unfamiliar with the story), it was just young love, innit?

just saw this nobhead:
https://x.com/judge148
https://m.youtube.com/@edgeofthematrix/videos
briskly escape to lime street station - was gonna ask him about nigel farage's comments on trans women in prisons, but he disappeared after i popped out of the tescos. he comes to liverpool every so often, so maybe ill see him again.

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>>2423577
I'm gonna tell this chuckelf*ck to stay away from my territory.

After the court ruling, the EHRC issued guidance for the government saying trans people should be banned from toilets
They got told it was transphobic and would ban trans people from any facilities without good reasons and therefore to to take it back and revise it

Well, now the revised guidance is out and it's worse that before
Trans women specifically are to be banned from any women's groups or organisations even when cis women want them there
You can't have organisations for both cis and trans women, it by law has to be exclusionary
Trans women are banned from all women's and men's spaces and must use mythical third spaces, even if the owner of facilities is fine with trans people using them
And anyone who looks gender non-conforming, any cis woman who is too butch must present their birth certificate to be granted access to women's spaces

Yep, we've reached the point where TERFs are telling cis women who don't conform to traditional gender stereotypes that they aren't welcome to use women's bathrooms without showing the birth certificates
How progressive indeed

This is all the doing of Labour, in particular baroness Falkner, who has said on record she has no sympathy or care for trans people or what may happen to them, and that her positions and recommendations are not based on evidence but on her interpretation of Sunni islamic doctrine
Remember when she was first made head of equalities half her staff quit because she was so aggressively anti-LGBT and bullied them about it

>>2423608
>Haha I hate trans people you get what you deserve!
How amazing, you hold the mainstream establishment position, and do so based on pure lies and emotional arguments. Well done.

i rarely if ever encounter crime and my advice if you do is to do everything you can to move to a less shit area.
(i don't live in a rich area, but i do live in a rural one.)
when people talk about crime my eyes glaze over because it is not an issue i encounter in daily life, but it is an issue i encounter right-wing wankers moaning about. i don't believe crime to be a nation-wide problem - so far as it's a problem at all, my preference would be for the government to quietly do whatever it wants in the small number of shitholes where it's a problem, and then move on without publicising any of it so that i know i'm not being governed by right-wing wankers trying to placate the right-wing press by amplifying a fake problem. if it really is such a problem, the fact it suddenly goes away will win you the election by itself. if it isn't such a problem, or if it's a problem only for a small number of unfortunate people, well, you could give me the money instead and that'd work much better, as i see it.

why are rightoids claiming nigel's gone 'woke'?

>>2423615
Farage said that what prison trans prisoners get sent to should be judged on a case by case basis, and that there might be some instances where a trans woman should go to a women's prison
That makes him more progressive on trans rights than Starmer's Labour party

>>2423605
The weirdest thing is that none of this is "in" the law as such. (e.g. the legislation, even in light of the supreme court's manifestly stupid and wrong judgement)
Public bathrooms aren't single sex spaces, legally speaking. Nor is a women's golf club or whatever. The solution, in law, to someone using the wrong restroom is to tell them to leave, and if they refuse, then they're trespassing. For a golf club, a women's golf club isn't required to discriminate against men at all - they're just allowed to as a "proportionate means to a legitimate end"
Theoretically, you could have a men's golf club (i.e. a club which allows women in but that none have joined, not that uncommon - you're unlikely to have a men-only club considered proportionate…) named 'women's golf club', or a women's golf club that's open to anyone but targeted mainly at women (which would be your legal workaround for transwomen, and is the loophole they want closed by issuing this guidance without any real reference to the law…) because - again - you aren't required to discriminate, you're merely allowed to.

But because one of the things they'll check when you're sued is "did you follow the EHRC guidance?" and failure to do so will be counted against you, this is now quasi-law, even though it's made up whole cloth by cranks with no democratic accountability. A fun exercise to work through when someone pretends that one of the virtues of our society is something called "rule of law" (weirdly for a society purportedly ruled by law, we seem to come to judgements and then retrofit the laws to fit the judgement, rather than vice-versa…)

>>2423605
>trans exclusive Gay uyghur Leftism is real in Yookay
No way.
>>2423608
No AGP imported 1 trillion BAME bxdies in my city to fight racism. Gays, feminists and EHRC did though.


>>2423608
I love to say it, but you're retarded.
If the cause of this backlash was transgender misdeeds, it would be universal. Instead, we find only Britain has swung around so hard, and only in Britain are liberals in on the backlash too. In the US, there's a conservative-lead backlash. In New Zealand despite the election of a conservative government basically nothing has changed - there's a minor party has put forward a bill to define gender as biological but it's a random private member's bill that probably won't pass (another coalition partner introduced a bill to de-facto repeal the founding treaty of New Zealand which was rejected by 112 votes to 11, they're playing silly buggers down there…), and then pretty much every other developed country has continued to drift in the direction of liberalisation. (See "Tickle vs Giggle", the silliest named legal case ever, where the court - correctly - ruled that a transwoman was being discriminated against by a women-only social media application. No way you'd get that in Britain, with a self-serious thumb on the scale…)

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Is TERF island okay?

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https://youtu.be/5zpfNgNQnIg?feature=shared
in neema parvini's latest video, he discusses the reform party's plans to implement psychometric testing for members, so as to dissuade any "extreme" types from joining. neema sees this as farage's fatal betrayal - and doubles down on his proclomation that he will vote for jeremy corbyn in the next general election, if only for the fact that corbyn appears to actually care about britain, and remains a rebel against the zionist establishment.
>>2423615
this is part of the context

>>2423649
No it's not. The updated guidance bans trans women from both women's and men's spaces.
Trans women gotta go piss and shit in bushes now according the latest Labour party recommendation.
A trans woman dying in a hospital? Gotta make her stay in a storage cupboard or basement, can't have her on male or female wards.
Don't worry though, post-op trans women can still be housed on male prison wards though!
It's like they've just picked the maximally cruel position for each and every specific scenario.

>>2423655
I'm sure the Harry Potter lady is cackling to herself imaging all the pointless indignities trans women will suffer

>>2416824
>wsws
<union busters
Northites Inc.: Toeing the Bottom Line - Being Determines Consciousness https://share.google/HFuTLk1Hhc99os83G

>>2423653
Unironically the right are the real anti-establishment faction

>>2423680
>Unironically the right are the real "anti-establishment faction"
Don't say stupid shit, Anon.

>>2423471
Not sure how burning a whole hotel full of people (Including workers!) is meant to stop rape, especially after the Southport stabbings??

>>2423608
Post your birth certificate.

>>2423653
When the basketweavers started brigading en-masse, I didn't expect them to fucking join us.

>>2423710
The system doesn't fear you at all

Reminder to organise with your local kurdish community.

>>2423735
That's why they are banning Palestine Action, because they dont fear the left.

>>2423743
leftists aren't goo pattern noticers

>>2423739
Why can't we deport neo-Fascist Brits who serve as IOF gaza genocide volunteers and replace them with zased Socialist Rojava Kurds instead smhsmh

>>2423735
>The system doesn't fear you at all
Oh, the ruling class does fear the left. That's why there's been a systematic war against it.

>>2423735
The system went into complete meltdown and burned the credibility of all their ostensibly leftish puppets in the guardian etc just to stop a mild socdem. It not only fears the left, it pathologically feared the left despite it posing little to no real threat. All the while, it has purposefully boosted the right. Farage is entirely a creation of the press.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/08/07/zquy-a07.html

>On Thursday, the Metropolitan Police responded to suggestions from Defend Our Juries that officers might shy away from mass arrests by announcing that three people had been charged under the Terrorism Act 2000: Jeremy Shippam, 71, from West Sussex, Judit Murray, 71, from Surrey and Fiona Maclean, 53, from Hackney.

<Three people arrested under the Terror Act for supporting a pro-Palestinian group
Amazing

Do we think eyup's onto something accusing Milo Edwards and that whole podcaster clique of being glowies and glowie adjacent?

>>2423933
i dont know who these people are. any more details?

Britishers are fascists kill britishers

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Piers Corbyn out protesting Starmer's migrant hotels.

>>2423983
>no one has burned down hotels.
Not for lack of trying you dumb fuck.
>women and children have been raped.
Yeah and the people trying to burn down the hotels are disproportionately wifebeaters;
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jul/26/two-in-five-arrested-for-last-summers-uk-riots-had-been-reported-for-domestic-abuse

https://www.thedetail.tv/articles/almost-half-ni-race-rioters-reported-for-domestic-abuse

>>2423996
He should go with a Palestine flag instead of a badge next time; see how long before one of the zionist "locals" beats the shit out of him lol.

>>2423828
Its gonna get worse. 500 people alone in London are gonna hold the sp00ky illegal sign. Right as the main Palestine demo is next door. The Met dont know if they have enough cells in London for that (fun fact; the police only usually arrest at a ratio of 10:1. So if you only have 50 people and there are like 10 police chances are you arent gonna get arrested).

>>2423996
You were so retarded in these its unbelievable, no numbers no discipline just gangs on america's payroll. Not even the organisation to chant properly. Just a series of meltdowns that never lead to anything because there is police between us like always.

i wish there was a way to organise near me but its a reform stronghold here

>>2424130
>there is police between us like always
Just like Romeo and Juliet. I love you S poster.

>>2425208
>right, so no hotels have actually been burned down. no one has been a victim of these protests, yet many have been victims of asylum seekers.
Loads of people were victims, there have been loads of assaults. And again they TRIED to burn down a hotel and only failed because THEY WERE STOPPED.
>that you are a paedophile apologist who wants british people to shut up about their children being victimised. thats why you will never vindicate public frustration about injustices put against them.
If you say so, wifebeater.

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>DA AFGUNS MADE ME BEAT MI MISSUS

>>2425232
i think you specifically should stop being a whore for reactionism and skinheadry and just be honest, and not motte-and-bailey us, you wifebeater

>>2425232
>weird that you cant even annunciate "rape is bad" isnt it? but i will give you the opportunity. is rape bad and should people be angry about it?
People who beat the women they have sex with don't care about rape.

>>2425232
>give me some examples.
Literally found these in five seconds.

>>2425242
Do you think a wifebeater is actually angry at rape or just wants a chance to go pakibashing?

>Prods when their political leaders rapes kids
<*Silence*
>Prods when one foreigner does it
<WE MUST BURN DOWN LARNE COMMUNITY CENTRE IMMEDIATELY
Why are they like this? It is just a presbyterian omerta? "Noncery for me and not for thee"?

LOOK I AM JUST
*THUMP*
A LOCAL CONCERNED ABOUT
*THUMP*
WOMEN AND CHILDREN
*THUMP*

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>>2425252
Didnt realise Rotherham was in Ballymena.
To be fair there was systemic sex crimes covered up by the state up there. They were just being done by DUP MPs and members of the Royal family.

>>2425254
Is anger acceptable reaction to wifebeating?

Number of Riots about Prince Andrew: 0
weird huh

>>2425257
Yes. Now we are on the same page; why are so many of these "concerned locals" wifebeaters? Why do so many commit domestic abuse?

>>2425262
Brother he literally gets paid money from our taxes to live in a mansion. You pay him to be a free nonce.
>>2425261
Simple question; why havent there been an riots about Prince Andrew? He is a free many afterall.

>>2425266
>okay - so if anger is acceptable, then what exactly is your concern? these people are doing nothing wrong by voicing their frustration in your own eyes, since they are angrily reacting to crimes against children - in southport 3 children were murdered and in epping, a schoolgirl was molested.
I dont think burning down random mosques is a reasonable response to crimes committed by individuals. I dont think that is a complex moral stance.

>>2425266
>people defend migrant paedos, yet no one defends prince andrew. thats the obvious allusion i was making.
"No one defends Prince Andrew" apart from the Queen; https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/02/15/queen-help-pay-12m-prince-andrew-settlement/

>>2425271
You tell me, what do you think is the responsible response? Because so far the response has been; racial assaults, carjacking, attempted murderous arson, and attacking religious buildigns.

>>2425268
Are the hundreds of rapey afghans in the room right now?

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>The morbillion rapey afghans made me beat my wife

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Known wifebeater Charlie Veitch marching with Britain First; itself lead by Paul Golding who beat his girlfriend and co-commander of BF Jayda Fransen. Why are there so many of them in this movement of concerned locals I don't get it???

>>2425277
Couldn't be more wrong dickhead (Why do you think I know who Charlie Veitch is?)

>Mum, dad, I am stopping the mass rape of english girls by afghans by posting on leftypol!!!

>>2425280
>remigrated
Don't you mean deported?

>>2425285
Sorry what's the difference to deportation I am confused. Seems like a new buzzword to me.

No ammount of images nor list of hundreds or thousands of crimes in a country of 70 million people will ever excuse the fascist psycosis. No slave labor nor camps. The crisis of the 21st century will make criminals everywhere. At least the rightists in /leftybritpol/ don't try to pass as communists like ziggers.

>>2425292
It's a dogwhisltle to show other people that they know them telegram groups.

>>2425296
I don't get why they come here? For what purpose?

>>2425301
>proposition:
>"foreign criminals should be deported"
>- agree or disagree?
What has that got to do with you using a weird term and not just saying deportation.

>>2425213
you imagine 'transgender-ism' as a single ideology, rather than a set of contradictory beliefs, self-interest, and everything else, when really it's quite simple:
something goes wrong when you're in the womb, parts of you are told they're female, and parts of you are told to build a male body. this makes you miserable, so you externally intervene until the sad bit is happy. ezpz. this also explains other things you're not really supposed to talk about, like why MTF is more common than FTM.

this is not the standard position, but this is true on anything: the average 'socialist' radical wants things that would've been perfectly at home in Edward Heath's tory party, yet it doesn't invalidate scientific socialism. you can make any position look idiotic by judging it based on what happens downstream of twitter discourse - Richard Dawkins is a perfectly good biologist who's repeatedly made an arse of himself by tweeting.
you throw the baby out with the bathwater because you don't like these people and because you allow yourself to be marinated in ragebait.
you're willing to defend british bourgeois feminism (actually, it's sexist to mock the aktion-t4 chancellor for crying - rich white lady who's never said anything about diane abbot being treated like shit, for the observer.) and britain's feral press because they're all in on attacking weirdos you don't like on the internet. idiotic.

my practical advice is: get a hobby. my secondary advice is: stop being british.

>>2425307
i should clarify: the real material phenomenon is quite simple. the current "movement", if you like, is basically a freakshow like you'll find for anything on the internet. i'm making a 1:1 comparison here: there's an underlying medical condition, the way you treat it is basically to follow the most liberal healthcare norms, and all of this is very materially obvious.
xenogenders or neopronouns or whatever are for extremely online people, you notice them because we're extremely online, but you're not pedantic enough to sub-divide them. you put them in the same bucket labelled "freaks". when you see stupid discourse between 'theyfabs' and transwomen, you put it down to some incoherence in the ideology and go "freaks" rather than, again, looking at the details. (which are, in themselves, fun and fascinating. forgive my glibness: women pretending to be trans, who clearly see transwomen as men, but who aren't part of the social group that is "TERFs".)

they're all a total sideshow to what's happening in any case - you're mad about them, but the supreme court has fuck all to say about any of this online bullshit. they've got a much narrower focus: the aim of the supreme court and the EHRC is to drive adult transgender people out of public life. you support this because you don't like them. i find this shameful and corrupt for the same reason i find practically everything else that happens in this country shameful and corrupt: because it's shameful, corrupt, and internationally anomalous. - you won't find me defending the way in which we've nationalized the railways taking over the free bit but leaving private sector train-landlords in place either!

>>2425306
Disagree. "Foreign" is not objective and will be used for racial profiling and deporting ideolgical enemies. Just be honest and tell us you want to drown browns in the english channel or something. Don't do the passive agresive shit here.

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>>2425238
>mate
He's done it! He's done it again! Hahahaha!

>oi youve never been around brown
I have, I’ve dated multiple and been around their families, all their social problems are the same as any ginger with a brummy accent, you just think their skin tone is weird

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>>2425213
>Everything is a social construct BUT NOT sex! Trans are heretics!

owen jones status?

>>2425366
As is Christianity isn’t a death cult lmao

>>2425375
Why are foreign rapists automatically worse than domestic ones (ie all the House of Lords)

>>2425372
yeah i remember the christian terrorist attacks, they're called the iraq war and afghanistan war

>>2425377
Also every Zionist terror act, they’re not possible without the US, France, and UK

Ethnonationalism isn’t gonna solve anybof your problems, you’re just drunk and looking for a high and to displace your problems

Name one instance anywhere where ethnonationalism solved a problem, you literally can’t

>>2425417
I was gonna say Algeria but i remembered the 1990s

>>2425419
you're a dishonest cunt

>>2425416
this thread is shit because autistic retards like you hyperfixate on responding to every rightist that turns up here.

>>2425422
if you don't respond to them, they'll just keep coming back unchallenged

>>2425422
>>2425424
Also use the report button next time

>>2425424
i miss when we had care in the community instead of you people having to find human interaction on the internet.
>>2425429
>Also use the report button next time
Like we haven't spent 6+ months doing so to exactly 0 response. Fuck off jannie cunt faggot.

>>2425429
i would have reported it but typically when i do you mods take a while to show up, and that guy specifically has went unpunished for a good while

>>2425417
What do you mean, Croatia is a beacon of progress and development.

200+ protestors arrested today for holding signs in support of Palestine Action.
Posters here would have you distracted from that by spouting gibberish about trans people being satanic gnostic alien sex predators.
Focus on the real shit, not on people who are mostly likely government agents coming here trying to stir up culture wars and hate.

Also loads of deleted posts, what happened?

>>2425545
but snt it the government that is also arresting people for criticising asylum seeker policies? 🤔
what if two things can be true at once - the government wants you to shut up about migrants AND israel?

>>2425545
>Also loads of deleted posts, what happened?
Resident fascist brit. I don't know why it was deleted, it was just the basic passive agressiveness rightoid catchphrases like this >>2425549

>>2425549
What if we just want you to shut up mate


>>2425549
what if we killed you for being a disingenuous cunt, what if we did that huh?

>>2425558
>mate
Ahhhhhhhhh you did it again you did it again!

>>2425558
im sure we would get along in a wetherspoons. this forum is just a toxic outlet tbh 😮‍💨 but regardless, i dont mean any bother - just want to say that things are more complex than either the mainstream left and right portray it. i would hope you agree.
>>2425564
theres no need for all this now, is there? stop playing the hard man just because youre behind a screen.

>>2425571
You are literally a nazi, why do you believe we'd get along in a spoons of all fucking places.

>>2425587
This post is gold.

>>2425587
>You are literally a nazi
"literally" or figuratively?
>why do you believe we'd get along in a spoons of all fucking places.
because real life isnt the internet. and maybe im not the monster you imagine i am, simply because we disagree. im sure you have family and friends you disagree with, too. if we sat down and had a pint, we would probably still disagree, but we could see the reason in each other's argument.

>>2425564

I like how you leftoids pretend to be all caring and compassionate, then the mask comes off and you screech about killing people for disagreeing with you. Nah, communism's never happening mate, you're not sending me to the gulag, cry more ;)

>>2425605
you're a passive aggressive little prick, and i'm fucking tired of it, you can go shove it somewhere else, preferably on your nazi corner
>>2425571
i'm "playing the hard man" because i'm sick of you peddling your bullshit

Why come to a British thread on a Marxist imageboard of all places to do this.

Surely in your quest for attention you must have found better alternatives that your parents never provided you?

>>2425607

>calls people who disagree with him Nazis

>fantasises about killing Jews and worships Muslim terrorists


Lel

>>2425608

Because I want to remind you Marxist goblins that you are pathetic trash with opinions that are abhorred by 99% of British people, which is why you hide out here in your sad little echo chamber where no-one can challenge your views and LARP at being revolutionaries who will "genocide the Natsee gammuns with our glorious Muslim brothers". You love Muslims so much it's hilarious, have a read about what happened in 1970s Iran which was the last time leftists got into bed with Islamists, it didn't end too well for them.

>>2425607
>bullshit
to sum it all up: i understand the public's frustration with asylum seeker hotels, so try and communicate it in a sensible manner. there are many racist opportunists who latch themselves onto the issue who i strongly disagree with - they are often hypocritical (such as the example of wifebeaters), but the essence of resistance is innocent, since it strives to protect the innocent. i do not believe in any nonsense about race war or civil war, but seek a peaceful political solution, such as i have outlined: deportation of foreign criminals and a restructuring of migrant accomodation to be off-shore, yet still local to britain. this plan seeks to do what is in the mutual interest of the public and refugees. i have seen no alternative plan to resolve issues except to arrest opponents, which creates martyrs and leads to incrimental outrage. i would be interested in a solution to the migrant crisis - that is my political interest in discussing it.

>>2425616
And the attention you get, that's just a bonus right?

>>2425629
i would just stop replying to him. he'll get bored eventually.

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>w-we need to import a million more people who do things like this or we are WAYSIIIIST NATZEEEEEEEE!

>>2425637
Honest question: why are you lot obsessed with gang rape?

The fact that they're Muslim isn't an excuse. Come on, what gives?

>>2425640

Why are you lot obsessed with importing gang rapists? Do you honestly think you can turn these 7th century death cult worshipping barbarians into loyal comrades who will join you in your glourious revolution to overthrow the racist colonialist Nazi chud regime?

Spoiler alert, they hate you, think you're filthy Kafir and you're getting chucked off a rooftop along with the "chuds"

>>2425643
>Why are you lot obsessed with importing gang rapists?
Short answer: I'm not.

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ALERT

MAJOR HAPPENING

DIANE ABBOTT HAS USED THE 'R' WORD
REACTIONARY

ALERT COMRADES

>>2425663
>they blame all of societies ills on asylum seekers
Actually statistical analysis shows they blame them on the Labour Party lmao

>>2425670
Nobody here likes Labour mate


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>>2425676
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Update: its now AT LEAST 365 people arrested today for saying they oppose genocide & support Palestine Action.

>>2425605
>leftoids pretend to be all caring and compassionate, then the mask comes off and you screech about killing people
Would love there to be a revolution purely so people who say shit like this can cry "so much for the tolerant left" while they get shot into a shallow grave by Communists and Anarchists.
Leftists have never tolerated Nazi shit, and never will.

>>2425707
>communists and anarchists
they are historical opponents

>>2425716
Opponents or lovers depending of the moment.

>>2425707
Wonder how many will be charged under the Terrorism Act.

They will literally be political prisoners, no small irony considering they live in a democracy.

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>>2425721
not really; anarchists are either proto-fascists or liberals waiting to betray communists. george orwell is one of the world's greatest anticommunists for a reason:
>In 1949, shortly before he died, the English author George Orwell prepared a list of notable writers and other people he considered to be unsuitable as possible writers for the anti-communist propaganda activities of the Information Research Department, a secret propaganda organisation of the British state under the Foreign Office.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orwell%27s_list
my own research further shows that anarchism and communism have separate histories, with anarchists coming out of the french left and communism coming out of england's utopian socialism. marx makes comment here:
>In the Ricardian period of Political Economy there arises the opposition to it, namely, Communism (Owen) and Socialism (Fourier and Saint-Simon).
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1863/theories-surplus-value/post-ricardian.htm
we know that marx is also entirely inspired by english political economy, including anglo-americans like benjamin franklin, since they are the ones who found a labour theory of value, rather than the physiocracy of the french. marx does not praise the french revolution much (except in its content as the expression of class war), but praises the US civil war most exceedingly (which was obviously an effort of anglo-america against the european old world). marx also said that england is the most civilised country in the world, is capable of achieving a revolution by purely peaceful means. so i see marx as a mostly "english" figure (rebuking lenin's attribution of "french socialism" to his character), but perhaps i am mistaken.
>>2425731
even the US is beginning to erase its free speech for the sake of israel.

>>2425707

Hahaha, your "revolution" is never happening and your "poor opwessed ickle wefugees" are being sent home once Reform win in a landslide, and you're all getting sent to prison on terrorism charges for supporting Jihadi scum, cope more ;)

>>2425694

Mate shut the fuck up

>>2425663
She did a tour of the DDR on motorbike I think she has been using the term reactionary for a while.

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>>2425748
>your "poor opwessed ickle wefugees" are being sent home once Reform win in a landslide
<he doesn't know

>>2425752
The account is run by her press secretary and the language used was formerly constrained to the party line.

She's openly expressing socialist sympathies whilst deliberately antagonising the leadership. Not even Corbyn uses the word reactionary.

>>2425746
>even the US is beginning to erase its free speech for the sake of israel.

Terror charges set a new precedent; formerly they were anti-protest bills or public order offences. From the state's perspective this risks devaluing the legislation and turning free speech into a terror charge by conflating the two. Without a retreat on the issue by the home secretary or within the courts, there's a likelihood that this will be repeated for other legitimate protest groups be them Palestinian or otherwise.

The British state is actually beginning to crack down on political dissent and imprisoning individuals for non-extremist tendencies and beliefs. Whereas the US has the anti-boycott bill, the use of the terror act is something else entirely as it legislates the arrival of the intelligence services for surveillance orders.

The political landscape in five years time may well be defined by the use of barbed wire if this continues.

>>2425748
>Reform win in a landslide
why does nigel now support woke?

>Police arrest 474 at Palestine Action ban protest

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8de6rq37v5o

>>2425856
>arrest non violent protesters
>throw them into carcerial environments designed to make people violent
>eventually the non violent protest problem is solved

>>2425856
Good day for British Jews!

>>2425417
Name some instances where multiculturalism solved a problem
you can't

>>2425934
>Name some instances where multiculturalism solved a problem
Chicken korma, boiled rice and a big fat garlic naan!

Can any of you tell me why Twitter is filled with stories about Pakis and Africans being rapists in England?

>>2425934
The Nation State is quite literally a product of multiculturalism

>>2425605
>Tolerant
You're on the wrong place to pull that word with any smugness

I'm convinced most the anxiety and disunity among leftists today stems from uncertainty. Should you support YourParty? Are you actually a revisionist traitor for supporting or even liking YourParty? If only Marx or Lenin were around to tell us exactly what to do.

The fact is, they're dead. There is no higher authority that has the answers, which is the most frightening thing. You have to make your choice and accept the consequences come what be.

>>2426085
Bordiga once said that even as committed Communists, and even if we are anti-electoralist and don't stand in elections ourselves, that it is still worth voting for the best left wing party standing in any election because any reforms they manage to pass will ease the transition to a socialist economy and model of society when the time comes.
Obviously if there is no left wing party at all standing in an election then there's no point voting because all options will only worsen material conditions and make the transition to socialism harder.

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>>2425934
The War.

i half wish there was a british-resident-immigrant richard hanania.
basically: he's a yank autism score-obsessive racist who's such an autism score obsessive racist that he becomes interesting because unlike the left, he's able to go "yeah, right-wing voters are actually just retarded, the right has a human capital problem" without it feeling like smug liberalism, and then you can go "well, i don't agree with everything, but the right are retarded and your pro-immigration racism is at least novel"

i've read too much of him lately and he's got some good theories. like: the right are tribal, the left are ideological. thus, the right will bend over backwards to justify anything trump/farage does even when it contradicts their supposed ideology (farage for nationalising greggs!) while the left are ideological (imagine the chaos if Your Party is anti-trans…), the right believe in conspiracy theories, the left believe in structural forces (he thinks they're incorrect to do so, but it's a serious set of testable hypotheses, unlike "the clintons did it"), the average voter for both sides watches TV, but generally speaking the right are TV-viewers and the left read - hence they care about ideas, while the right prefer soap-opera nonsense politics. The smart people on the right grift the hell out of their idiot-supporters (farage gold!) while the left, if not without grifters, usually looks more like Novara or something where they're not selling you nothing.

but he's US-based and US-focused, so his examples aren't in my area of expertise. a british substitute would be nice. he needs to be an immigrant though, not an oxbridge cunt with a wanker accent. that'd be even more immediately disqualifying than being mentally retarded.

>>2426085
>I'm convinced most the anxiety and disunity among leftists today stems from uncertainty. Should you support YourParty? Are you actually a revisionist traitor for supporting or even liking YourParty? If only Marx or Lenin were around to tell us exactly what to do.
Only weird microsects aren't joining Your Jeremy Corbyn Party ft. Zarah Sultana people are unifying in a way not really seen in a long time #.

what do you reckon the best tesco meal deal is? when i was younger i would get the breakfast triple, cheddar and onion mccoys ("man crisps" - like yorkies used to be a "man's" chocolate bar) and the boomer monster energy. now that im older and a bit wiser, i get the deli sub, cheddar and onion mccoys and the fanta fruit twist (even though this is an infantile beverage). if im feeling fancy i will get the luxury £5.50 meal by replacing the deli sub with the salmon sushi. they used to have the tuna rolls which were lovely, as well. for morrisons meal deal, my choice is the spicy chicken baguette, the chocolate brownie and coconut water. if im feeling fancy there, i'll replace the baguette with the pastrami sandwhich. the best sandwhiches in the UK by far though are the buttyboys sandwhiches in the corner shops. in the corner shop i'll typically get the cajun chicken sub, a packet of frisps and a cherry coke.

>>2425934
All of modern technology after the 1900

>>2426402
so I.Q. = intelligence?
and low intelligence = tribalism?
where does that leave certain minorities who prefer group loyalty over liberal, metrpolitan openness, then?

>>2425746
>even the US is beginning to erase its free speech for the sake of israel.
Yeah, if it wasn't for Israel, good ol' US wouldn't be turning into a christian theocracy huh

>>2426408
1. no
2. all humans are tribal, just like all dogs are pack animals. nonetheless, you're definitely more of an afghan hound than a border collie. (translation: you are low autism score)
3. 'certain minorities' is nonsense phrasing. you're not getting rid of rishi sunak just because he's brown, sorry. his autism score is higher than yours. and he's gotta be like 105 tops if we're going to deport any minorities, we should be picking out anti-immigration white english region-by-region and sending them off to pitcairn island. (nonces per capita go down there, retards per capita go down at home, it's a win-win)

say, i could get into this…

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Clearly the human capital problem lies with Labour/Independent-voting immigrants and not with stupid white people. The way to improve this dysfunctional country is clearly an immigration policy indistinguishable from DEI for dumb whites.

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What's some good British working class or socialist films/literature?

If we're gonna talk about high I.Q we should kick out whites and welcome Chinese people and Jews. Like come on no one is serious about I.Q bean counting, it's a post facto justification of discriminating against brown people that if taken to its logical conclusion would lead to the dismantlement of any form of social welfare and PhD requirement for citizenship instead of blood and soil

>>2425748
Reform is to the left of Labour now so i will vote for them anyway.

>>2426426
a small number of people really are serious about it and want high autism score Indians over low autism score whites (in the US context) and I find them fascinating. as a good leftist I naturally disagree with them on a lot, but they're not stupid like most rightists. you could, in theory, even meet them half way by going all milton-friedman UBI-as-least-bad welfare.

but imagine if we replaced every reform voter with a good CPC cadre with double the I.Q. …

>>2426402
Richard Banania is funny but you put too much though into him and that whole "pro-EHC" sphere. Not only because they are all underachiever slopstackers larping as Elon Musk (who actually made things as much as i dislike him) but they're either unprincipled, lying reactionaries like Steve Sailer or funny but useless proffesional contrarians like Mr Banania.
They are not trustful or reliable people at all. And it's not like they're influencial people with a far-reaching audience either. Joe Rogan openly post-truth conspiraslop retardation did more to help the far-right than Steve Sailer did in his entire career.

>>2426402
Yeah exactly this.
Richard Hanania started out from an I.Q/ ethnogenetic perspective like Sailer and co and came to the conclusion that if we're to be serious about this whole intelligence thing then ideal ideal ubermensch should be an immigrant tech porky who votes democrat and is either a lolbert or a socially liberal small government government capitalist. This is the inherent tension in racial nationalisms, because racist justify chauvinism by pointing out to great achievements of their race but Merit is by nature universal and global instead of parochial. I am ideologically opposed to Spengler but even he noticed this through his distinction between Culture and Civilization.

Also if you have ever gone to higher education you absolutely do not want a society composed entirely of and structured like a university.
This is the thing about Right wing populism they always pivot to the most extreme and insane solutions. Like there's an immigration problem? Yeah bomb the boats. Birthrates are low? Let's legalize rape and disenfranchise women. We have problem with crime? Well the solution clearly is to deport everyone with autism score below 130
These are all insane solutions and the same people who propose this will also look you dead in the eye and say that the concept that workers should have greater say in their workplace are idealistic. It is utterly absurd

>>2426419
>I.Q. ≠ intelligence
then why bring it up?
>everyone is tribal
then why bring it up?

more nonsense.

>>2426421
anything by mike leigh
his best films are "secrets and lies", "naked" and "meanwhile".

>>2426421
Films/Television:
>Pride (2014)
>Made in Dagenham (2010)
>The Way (2024)
>Anything by Ken Loach (especially "The Old Oak", "I Daniel Blake", and "Sorry We've Missed You"
>Children of Men (2006)
>The Fully Monty (1997)
>Brassed Off (1996)
>Peterloo (2019)
>The Mill (2013)
>Anything titled a "Kitchen Sink Drama" (for example "Just Another Saturday [1975]")
>Winstanley (1975)
>It Happened Here (1964)
>Trainspotting (1996)

>>2426431
>Merit is by nature universal and global instead of parochial
only when you measure "merit" by income. the USSR used to make normal people celebrated instead of reproducing an incestuous and intrusive aristocracy.
>>2426430
high I.Q. people are typically specialists, so fail in day-to-day competency. thats why a division of labour has to be supplicated by social labour; and why these types have to rationalise a slave class to wipe their ass instead of seeing the value in bring 100 I.Q. or even 80 I.Q.
>>2426434
EHC are not right-wing populists. right-wing populists appeal to the peasantry.

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more neema parvini gems.
clip one: AA has one policy - fuck israel.
clip two: AA conducts material analysis.

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>>2426421
Whilst Mike Leigh (who directed Naked) is associated with socialism / kitchen sink dramas, he does have a varied filmography well worth watching. Secrets & Lies is a powerful drama with an emphasis on different class dynamics between family members; he has a film about the Peterloo massacre (Peterloo 2018).

The ultimate socialist filmmaker in Britain is Ken Loach - from what I've seen, i'd particularly recommend Kes (education system / job prospects), The Wind That Shakes the Barley (Irish resistance against the British / leftist infighting), Sweet Sixteen (teenage drug trading in Scotland).

if… (1968) is a drama film about rebelling against social hierarchy (and privilege) in an English boarding school. Not explicitly socialist but it has an anarchistic spirit. Would recommend going into it blind, one of the few examples where it is truly difficult to imagine a film ending like that would be made today

There is a 3 episode TV series called A Very British Coup (available on 4od) about the difficulties a socialist politician faces from the establishment when he becomes Prime Minister.

Recent films include:
Bait (2019), focusing on tension between the working class in a Cornwall holiday town and the middle-class holidaygoers.
Pride (2014), based on a true story where LGBT activists raise money for a Welsh mineworkers union who are reluctant to be associated with the activists; it's a surpringly heartwarming and inspiring watch.

>>2426441
I would also add that whilst not at all what you're looking for, I want to highlight 'Happy New Year, Colin Burstead' (2018) by Ben Wheatley as the only post-Brexit film I have ever seen which presents the idea that someone might support leaving the EU for reasons other than hating immigrants.

>>2426440
Who fucking caarreeesss

>>2426441
Oh "If…." reminds me of another similar film; "The Ruling Class" (1972). Basically a long romp about the psychosis of the British Aristocracy as told through a newly elevated Lord who thinks he is literally jesus christ.

more films: "this is england" + "tyrannosaur"

>>2426439
I'm not talking about income, but rather from a slave/master dialectic inherent in the concept of "Merit/Prestige"
Music theody, for example, doesn't have that much real life practical usage, but white supremacists will keep doling out people like Beethoven because music is universally acknowledged and respected by every race, and thus excelling in Music confers a status symbol.
Fields that only specific races do, like hockey or yoga or astrology, will never be brought up in discussion about superiority, because it does not bring you recognition from Others (i.e people outside your group) therefore it cannot be a Merit but simply a peculiarity.
Or to put it in metaphor; a kid with good grades is considered prestigious, because everyone else recognize it as something valuable. A kid who can insert an entire watermelon through his nostrils is not considered prestigious, because nobody else recognize doing that as something valuable. In fact that kid might get bullied for standing out. Much like how whites are teased for having uniquely tasteless cuisine, or how indians are bullied for being the only people in the world who use cow shit as cleaning solution

>>2426449
>this is england
Yes, was going to recommend it but must've slipped my mind mid-post. One of the most empathetic movies ever made.
The TV show is very good and worth watching as well (culminating with an incredibly powerful and affecting table conversation) but takes a much more ensemble approach with a wide range of tones.

>>2426450
yes, well, universal standards exist, and can be measured. i dont dispute merit or intelligence, but i would say that they cannot be determined by a vulgar class hierarchy which just becomes a plutocracy. a status economy is actually a rival to plutocracy (aristocracy vs oligarchy), which is why the right feel resentment that the left will always capture elite signifiers, which leaves the right appealing to fellow peasants for support, rather than "woke" elites or whatever. being subversive is cool; this has been the norm since the early 20th century.
>>2426452
yes, i like that they treated combo as a broken man rather than a snarling villain. most types like him have a dark past.

>>2426449
>>2426452
On "This is England" the guy also did a late 1700s folk-crime film called "The Gallows Pole". It's about landlordism and is on iPlayer.

>>2426454
shane meadows also dod a series called "the virtues" which was good until it wasnt.

>>2426421
>>2426436
>>2426438
>>2426441
>>2426443
>>2426448
>>2426449
>>2426452
>>2426454
>>2426455
We should put this together into an infographic. Divide it by themes & Style, e.g; "Socialist", "Working Class", "Kitchen Sink", "Anti-Capitalist", "Anti-Elitist" etc.

>>2426463
mike leigh's films are less political and more melodramatic character studies of the poor (most often including the unemployed), so it would be wise to separate it from "working class" or "socialist" film in particular, i agree.

>>2426463
the film "great expectations" (1946) also deals with class in interesting ways - and this happens to be one of slavoj zizek's favourite films, apparently.

Aren't most of these modern football yobbo movies you guys are mentioning just rip-offs of Made In Britain (which never gets credit for some reason)

>>2426476
tim roth was also in meantime (1983)
i saw one episode of "tin star" on sky once and it seemed good. anyone seen the show?

tim roth also directed "the war zone" (1999), which is very dark, but roth's childhood was also dark, apparently

>>2426406
Chicken Caesar wrap, grapes and water

Will Henry Cavill vote for Labour, Tory, Reform, Green or LibDem in the comin election?

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>>2426510
sounds like a suvverners' pittance

>>2426441
>if… (1968) is a drama film about rebelling against social hierarchy (and privilege) in an English boarding school. Not explicitly socialist but it has an anarchistic spirit. Would recommend going into it blind, one of the few examples where it is truly difficult to imagine a film ending like that would be made today
Remember when i caught this as a kid on late night Film4, mad a film could ever end like this lmfao. very based though.
>There is a 3 episode TV series called A Very British Coup (available on 4od) about the difficulties a socialist politician faces from the establishment when he becomes Prime Minister.
it's also on YT for those who don't wanna make a c4 account.

Coinbase made a pretty good satirical ad of the UK
https://youtu.be/l0bmJlrhRg4?si=a_yPf_T4ReTvPrB3
A shame they used it to shill their crap product.

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Loving the tourists doing the 'damn you guys live like this?' bit.

>>2427072
interesting that the police will actively refuse to investigate burglaries in london yet will make 300+ arrests on peaceful protestors in a single day. pure anarcho-tyranny, yet the right decline to speak on this as a legitimate freedom of speech issue. zionist pigs.

>UK police arrest 522 over support for Palestine Action at London protests
>More than 100 of those arrested over their support for the banned pro-Palestinian organisation were over 70 years old.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/8/10/uk-police-arrested-522-people-at-palestine-action-protests-in-london

when was the last time this many were arrested?

>>2427154
the arrests will continue, we're going to be deporting all the care home staff so prisons the next best option.

>>2426646
Good yeah

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>>2426646
why does he look like time heidecker though
>>2427807
my british nanny looks like this and says this

>>2427809
Bad genes, obv

>>2427821
You know, only a dead brit is a good brit


>>2427825
Ya I don't think so
If there's not some news escaping your mental asylum of an island, I forget your existence

>>2427072
This is bleeding funny tho
The americans had the idea of sending white people to "appease" or whatever the word is the violent pigs.
Now, the brits in their desperation send granma to the front of the line.

Recession 2: Electric Boogaloo

https://archive.is/0PzsW

UK employers cut back hiring over labour and tax cost fears

>The central bank said last week that it judged underlying employment growth to have been around zero since the end of last year. This was weaker than could be explained by the state of the economy, and was likely to be partly due to the increase in NICs driving up labour costs.


Special mention to this line:
>Kate Shoesmith, Rec deputy chief executive, said employers in low-wage sectors were “pausing due to cost pressures and uncertainty around employment law”, and warned it would take “co-ordinated action” from the government and the Bank of England (BoE) to underpin a recovery.

I.e. Economic downturn is presented as the result of labour cost issues in low-wage sectors, it simply being given that these businesses cannot succeed without thriving off the low-pay exploitation and poverty of a certain class of British workers

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/08/11/qcjy-a11.html

Fight Starmer’s police state—Build a movement in the working class!

Decent WSWS article on the arrests and the state of political activity, but there's an interesting bit at the end:
<As the SEP wrote in response to Palestine Action’s proscription, “The defence of fundamental democratic rights, workers’ living standards and the fight against genocide and war is only possible through the adoption of a new axis of struggle—socialist internationalism.”
>socialist internationalism

The SEP is founded on the principles of the ICFI which is the fourth international, but the call for a general socialist internationalism is tantamount to a reoritentation and a recognition of the general struggle that must be waged. In short, rather than their parochial district view of global rank-and-file committees and attempts to gatekeep through their dwarf-like party apparatus, they seem to have seen the crepuscular light that political capital must be expended in service of simply constituting the workers movement without dogmatic stricture in order to build a mass-movement proper.

If you are interested in joining an actual socialist party and fighting for change, sign up for the SEP UK.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj0y9673rjno
BBC did a writeup on the letby case. istg the only reason she's still in prison is to save the careers of some bobo fucks and doctor scum within our all-but-privatized NHS.
The parents of these babies are scum too, scum of the scum, all of them need to be sent to jail for whatever amount of time the courts decided for Letby.

>>2427896
It wouldn't suprise me if she was made a scapegoat for the activities of British Jews within senior NHS leadership.

>>2427886
>The SEP is founded on the principles of the ICFI which is the fourth international, but the call for a general socialist internationalism is tantamount to a reoritentation and a recognition of the general struggle that must be waged. In short, rather than their parochial district view of global rank-and-file committees and attempts to gatekeep through their dwarf-like party apparatus, they seem to have seen the crepuscular light that political capital must be expended in service of simply constituting the workers movement without dogmatic stricture in order to build a mass-movement proper.

Can you phrase that in a way that isn't incomprehensible?

>>2428502
Hey S poster, how many "anti-zionist jewish comrades" do you have, roughly?

Lol lol lol
UK overpaid paper pushers are a mob of incompetent muppets, and now they're a bunch of incompetent muppets with AI chatbots

>>2428581
wúwúwúwúwúwúwúwúwúwúwúwúwúwúwúwúwúwúwúwú

>>2426742
not impressed TBH. easy to poke fingers at problems without suggesting actual solutions, this video can just as easily be interpreted in some reactionary way

Just wanna say, you worthless imperialist-gibs-enjoying faggots, that the Best Move made on you in the last 20 yrs is called
>Nil By Mouth

You can torrent it if your holy ISP would allow it, and here's a sneek peak from the film itself.

It's sublime, directed by Luc 'pedo' Besson.

Anyone got that documentary of those Bristol Lads that smashed up an Israeli Arms Factory back in 2014??

>>2428810
>Brits Coping 2025™

>>2428810
>Anyone got that documentary of those Bristol Lads that smashed up an Israeli Arms Factory back in 2014??
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/13/world/europe/israeli-arms-company-elbit-break-in.html
This one? I don't know the documentary, any memory of who made it?
There was iirc a documentary around the campaign against the EDO factory in brighton which culminated in that factory being smashed up, by bristol people actually. truly the home of the smashies.

Anyone got that doc when we brits literally enslaved 1/3rds of the total human population????????????!!!

>>2428851
Those were the good timess

>>2428837
Yeah I meant the EDO one sorry, hadn't realised that was 2008.

remembered that Coronation Street had a long-running transgender character and, way back in the 90s, the writers had already reached the conclusion that getting pissy about sharing the loo with her is tedious, bullying behavior.
(at this time the law was still openly anti-gay and there was no legal recognition for transsexualism at all)

fortunately in these more enlightened times, with the EA2010 we now understand that she was just protecting her equality act protected irrational* belief in the all important nature sex-based differences, while the transhumanist just needs to deal with it.
* remember, for the EA2010 to apply it must be irrational.

>>2429210
god i can't remember what the media group was called and that's really bugging me, if it's the one i'm thinking about it didn't really follow those guys who broke in it was about the wider campaign, Smash EDO, right?
One of those who broke in is a mad right wing TERF now, btw. she's properly crazy, it makes me really sad. :(

>>2420564
That's cause sudden suffrage for woman actually made a big ammount of reactionary woman vote, out their own volition or obligated by her husband. Same thing happened in Spain, where the last government of the Second Republic was rightist cause they let all women vote. It's a great debate on the pace of progress.

We are getting the Reform Kampfenbund

https://x.com/TimesRadio/status/1955191845484453915

>>2420564
This is a huge myth most ended up as socialists or communists glory to the Workers Dreadnought.

>>2429235
Ah fair I thought it's a cheeky way to support certain action without being in violation of the terrorism act 2000. I do not support any proscribed organisations.


>>2427886
>crepuscular light
Not the anon,
I'm working in the evening ways too much to enjoy the evening crepuscular light . Then I stay up too late, till 12.30AM and miss the crepuscular light the next morning. :(

>If you are interested in joining an actual socialist party and fighting for change, sign up for the SEP UK.

What do they do, though? It seems like every time there's a strike or something, some old bearded bastards crawl out of the woodwork on social media to share articles saying why the union leadership is useless, and we need better strategy and organisational. But it doesn't seem like they've set one up? Do they turn up to picket lines? Talk to people there? Start workers groups?.not saying they dont. But if denunciation of sellouts is the sum total of your activity you'd better off forgetting about politics and thinking about the next series of the Boys/Dexter/whatever.

For example, there's a riders meet up in Edinburgh been advertised on the deliveroo rider subreddit at the moment. I think it's autonomist Marxists, "workers enquiry" types, who've set it up. Do SEP do anything like that in workplaces?
So in other words, what does
>fighting for change
mean ? Everyone says they're doing that.


>>2429441
this thing happens quite often in maccies

Just want to have a flat I can call my own, buy everything I need without having to go broke, live in a city that isn't full of crime and rubbish and use the internet without big brother breathing down my neck. Is that too much to ask?

>>2429456
*to buy

>>2429456
>Is that too much to ask?
yes, unfortunately.

>>2429281
A pity women can't do it themselves!

>>2428502
They have adapted to the idea of a need for a condition of general solidarity, and that in order to build an effective party base they must first begin winning over the members of these movements rather than attempting to ideologically gatekeep them through the limited control of their news outlet.

No other British socialist party has a properly internationalist outlook, and those that do lack the party apparatus abroad unlike the SEP who have parties in America, Australia, and Europe.

In short, they have finally got with the fucking times. If you want to join a socialist party firmly rooted in the twenty first century, I recommend joining the SEP UK.

>>2429281
>Yesss women you are safe with us let these 5 men walk you to where you need to go. The gangbang-uh , I mean gang members will stay away from our Protection Unit.
I want this to happen because it would be funny.

>>2429456
Learn Chinese, move to China, it’s the only place in the world where an honest day’s work gets an honest day’s pqy

>>2429425
Join them and find out, before I left in 2020 due to life shit they would talk to workers and try to organise within their work place outside of union control.



>Everyone says they're doing that

In my mind, they are the only true socialist party in the UK - not according to their ideological stricture, but because they are the only ones who have adapted to the requirements of organising post-millenium.

Every other socialist party within Britain has devolved into either a front for a pressure group or a rug-merchant's bazaar who have no capable outlook, who have no interest in actually educating workers and become the petty domains and fiefdoms of their local management circuit.

>>2429285
>JDraper

>>2429468
So it is another just another liberal party

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>>2429648
Won't someone think of the data centres!

>>2427886
>sign up for the SEP UK
What do they think about Your Party? Seems the most likely outcome would be splitting the left vote, which is already at risk between Your Party and Greens.

>>2429682
Literally in the OP


>>2429530
Who wouldnt lmao. 90% sure she is a lesbian though.

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>>2429468
Why the fuck are they doing this right now as there is a broad radical lefty party coming into being. If they really believed that they could do it through Your Party.

>>2429683
Where? Tbh the stance is good in isolation but in context is stupid. You can't declare yourself the brand front for workers as a socialist broad front that is legitimately pluralistic is formed. If you believe your head and praxis I right and want to be anti-sextarian, you join the broad front and AEO in it rather than missing outside the tent. Even if you believe it's a dead end because your AEOing will be able to lead the ruins to the real movement. At least with sectarian like RCG/FRFI or CPGB-ML they adhere to anti broad front sectarianism. Also tbh if they really cared about Palestine Action they wouldnt be declaring an open turn as a party, they would be coalitioning with PA, JSO, Youth Demand and the rest of them into their weird hybrid middle-class direct action popular front they have going on (which includes RCG and the RCP)

>>2429768
Literally the final line quoted here: >>2416841

Your Party are the semi-reformist dregs of a spent electoral force. Broad popular appeal of a bourgeois democratic party means nothing considering the same electorate which would mobilise behind Corbyn spent 14 years foisting upon themselves the class rule of austerity and militarism through the Conservatives. They are the symptom, not the solution.

>>2429757
Your Party represent the ailing ambitions of a fractured coalition of electoral interests of British workers who simply wish to secure for themselves once more their position in the post-war global division of wealth. Corbyn's party believes its only redress to the injustices of austerity can be mobilised through Parliament, and are in that sense as quoted just attempts from within the bourgeois political structure to reform itself.

The distinction is this: Corbyn and the Your party candidate members will speak of the workers, the SEP and the WSWS will instead speak of the Proletariat. This distinction is vital, as one is nothing more than a reactionary sentiment posed under the banner of a social democratic message, the other on the contrary being the constitution and mobilisation of a properly socialist party.

The British electoral landscape will sink over the next few years into a progressively more reactionary one: Your Party are the dying gasp and terminal offshoot of an evolutionary dead-end for the British social democratic system and its ideals. Worsening international political-economic conditions, doubled defence spending, and the final throes in the beginning and end of stripping the welfare state to its bare minimum are just part of why this must happen.

I do not mean this in an attempt to recruit anyone but merely to point out the distinction: the SEP have now shifted from that particular form of political praxis unique to all socialist parties their size - for want of a better term, the petty administration and gatekeeping by would-be middle-class bourgeois commisars - to educating and mobilising on the basis if not in overt solidarity, then in recognition of the stage of international struggle.

Again, if you would like to join a party which isn't centred around ritualized dogma and anarchronisms, go for the SEP. Read the perspective section on the WSWS as well as articles centred on British politics and you will soon understand why: their writers are the only ones who actually attempt to educate and not merely propagandise. I say this as the stakes have shifted significantly, as the mass arrest at the PA demonstration has demonstrated that the British state is beginning to engage in overt political repression through implicit means, specifically the Terror Act.

The only basis on which this can be resisted is through a socialist party with an internal and international party apparatus. However much you may detest them, they are the only ones who seem to have taken advantage of this unique position. It's laughable that someone has mentioned the CPGB-ML, as they may as well by comparison be relics.

>>2429800
>Again, if you would like to join a party which isn't centred around ritualized dogma and anarchronisms, go for the SEP
Are you sincerely saying the Trotskyist party that you highlight will speak of the 'proletariat' and not the 'worker' is the party that *isn't* anachronistic?

>>2429897
>will speak of the 'proletariat' and not the 'worker' is the party that *isn't* anachronistic
My bad, I forgot Marxism was on its last legs

https://archive.is/fLRcJ

JD Vance to meet Farage and Tory deputy leader Jenrick during Cotswolds visit

<US vice-president will not hold talks with Conservative leader Kemi Badenoch due to ‘conflicting schedules’


Absolute choice bit from the article:
>Taylor Van Kirk, Vance’s press secretary, told the FT the vice-president had “specifically tried to see Kemi Badenoch — a friend of his — but a meeting was not possible due to their conflicting schedules. Any suggestion otherwise is false.”

Vance told Badenoch to fuck off

>>2429909
I didn't say Marxism is on its last legs or that I disagree with the use of those terms - but the idea proletariat isn't anachronistic is laughable.
If someone isn't already on board with Marxism, you'll have lost them when you start using terms like that

>>2429920
On the contrary, the term and its wider contextual significance in the interchange of ideas has slipped so totally from the consciousness of socialists that their moral fixation on workers and less on the absolute unity the concept means, means that the minor parties have fetishized and regressed into a form of social organisation and politics that belongs as much in the 1970s as it does the post-2000s.

Hence why British parties obsess to no end in deploying the term worker when to the wider reader the term has lost all significance: there are British workers, Indonesian workers, US workers. But there is only one proletariat.

If you can't grasp this nuance then stick with your sadly doomed little clique club of radical lifestyle activism. The country is slipping into the portents of corporised fascism as the bourgeoisie (do we still use that term as well?!) consolidate power: it is your choice. Confront them on a national or international basis.

I will not say that they are the solution, but they are the only one in the running.

if you are part of a micro party like: trots, cpb, cpgb ml carpet baggers, you are actually retarded

Corbyn is the only chance there is for anything, and you know it, join it and be radical simple as

>>2429474
China is borderline ethno-nationalist when it comes to immigration. Even if you end up moving there, you’re never becoming a citizen.

British cops wore jogging outfits to elicit catcalls and then arrested some men who hit on them: report

https://nypost.com/2025/08/12/world-news/female-british-cops-wore-jogging-outfits-to-elicit-catcalls-and-then-arrested-some-men-who-hit-on-them-report/

>>2429935
this unironically, i'm joining and will then be part of the left fringe of the party, try to push them to be as radical as possible
its that simple and you all need to do it to

>>2429474
>muh china
why do people here glorify this aspiring bourgeois state so much?

>>2430111
"why do men not approach women anymore??"

>>2430111
the police really have their priorities in order, i see.

>>2430403
DON'T SEXUALLY HARASS RANDOM WOMEN

>>2430403
Death to the Bri'ish "people"
but absolutely this is good.
If your best approach is harassment you should not talk to women
You should not interact with anyone really
Also not reading allat but maybe mods should look in here from time to time eh
Just a friendly suggestion

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The cops should beat you for bein an annoying prick
They do it to anyone else

>>2430416
This is bound to just be another thing that Tommy Robinson is going to latch on to
>release the statistics of ethnicities arrested for cat calling!
and when thats refused the assumption will be they’re all migrants from muslim countries and the police should be arresting them but are now protecting them thus another travelodge needs to be burnt

>>2430400
Methinks it's a mix of orientalism, noble savage, third worldist-influences and guilt-trip culture from the american "left", plus a want to side with the winning team to top it all off

>>2430467 (me)
Also whatever this is >>>/siberia/698352

>>2429474
shilling this blatant is fucked up

>>2430467
So the flip side of the popular narrative of China as a conniving giant that managed to threaten and or brainwash their entire sweatshop working population to not see they’re a hyper-capitalist society with the most advance surveillance system in the world used to catch anyone who manages to break that delusion?

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>>2430425
It is what He would have wanted

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2025/08/yvette-cooper-is-lying/
LEAKED COPY OF THE JTC REPORT INTO PALESTINE ACTION

neema parvini interview with grover furr

>>2430477
>The reason Yvette Cooper has proscribed Palestine Action is that she is a member of Labour Friends of Israel and has received £215,000 from the Zionist lobby – which is £215,000 more than Palestine Action ever received on behalf of a foreign power.

Blimey Yvette!

>>2430498
Some one needs to "Y'vette" her income

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>>2430511
How do I do it without doxing myself

>>2430514
If you do come you should come to The World Transformed. Hulme, Manchester, 9th-12th October.

>>2430514
So is your magazine continuing?

>>2430514
>the rave scene in the UK I've got an interview on coming up
been dead for way over a decade, despite what some isolated types trying to cling on to dead subcultures tell you. can't remember last time i seen a free rave in a field or under a bridge in my city and this was a big city for raving until about a decade ago.
It's like being a punk in the 2010's, i guess. nothings happening and it's just a way to show off in front of friends.

>>2430403
They weren't woman they were cops

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>>2430111
Bruh, this reminds me of an episode of Thin Blue Line lmao

>>2430111
>NY Post
Garbage "journalism".
Also good, even according to that is written in there it wasnt men who hit on them, but harassed, honked shouted at from cars. Moids need to learn how to behave in polite society.

>>2429935
>>2430149
You are a fucking idiot and not a Marxist if you think joining yet another social-democratic party will help anything. Go on, join it, waste your time and sap the people's revolutionary energy more and more you lapdogs. It will go the same way as every social fascist party in history, another party of the bourgeois.
>>2429800
Another worthless trot microparty posturing as the saviour for the proletariat when all you'll do is sell newspapers. You won't do shit because you aren't seriously engaging with the working class you live around. What's your actual plan for revolution? What are the steps you're going to take? How are you going to fight the state? All you trot scum won't ever get a fucking day into revolution before the state's security forces drive you into the ground. On top of this you are imperialists who don't support determination for Wales and Scotland. Stop this student larp and join a real party.

Why doesn't England have a real Marxist-Leninist (and certainly not a Maoist) organization? Take your fingers out of your ears and actually work with communities and build revolutionary cells, not do this worthless trotskyite wank. All you're doing is pulling more and more people who would otherwise be forming actual revolutionary organisations into your pathetic millenial wank circles. Tell me when you're ready to take military action against the government, otherwise take a knife and plunge it into your obese stomach.

>>2430111
There's a trillion things worse the pigs do every day and you get outraged about this? Catching those scum is a much better way to spend their time than pushing people over in protests and arresting people for holding up signs.

>>2430882
>sap the people's revolutionary energy more and more you lapdogs.
I fucking love it when people say this, like the weird sects are only failing because people refuse to join them and join broad mass movements (maybe we need to dissolve the electorate and elect another).

>>2430406
we get 'destroyed' because when we counterargue, you ignore us.
>>2425307
>>2425310
hang yourself.

Being British in 2025 feels like the judgement of Solomon.

>Which way do u choose little Charles, EU mom or US mom?


I want brazil+china mom


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Anyone noticed how Corbyn and Sultana have stopped posting number updates for their party project? I suspect they are now figuring out what a pain in the ass it is to verify the signups.

>>2431763
The numbers maybe stagnating. No need to post updates.

>>2431784
Especially when they already outnumber Labour

>>2430486
Gorbachev and Yakovlev told by Grover Furr [with images]

>>2430882
>NO TRUE MARXIST!
so glad i got out of this cult

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>>2431814
the comments on the video also highlight how so many of our establishment politicians are ex-trotskyists, but none are ex-leninists. AA has previously made the connection between trotskyism and neoconservatism also. i once made a joke that the cold war was really a civil war between leninists and trotskyists, but maybe theres truth to it.


>>2431763
It is quite literally just a mailing list; the various socialist gossip groups are thundering between themselves about the potential numbers and rubbing their hands with glee at the idea of siphoning some of the numbers, so they've all collectively deluded themselves into believing that Corbyn's party is the new dawn for the British worker's movement.

The initial numbers (of what is essentially an email register) won't directly translate into the momentum (hah, get it?) and the party will face a crisis of direction if they fuck up the first few stages of publicising their founding principles and issuing respective media memos that encompass their coming electoral strategy.

This is probably why they've stopped updating the figures, as they're now in the next stage of their master plan to turn Britain into an idyllic backyard allotment of kind and respectable jam makers and warm-beer drinking social democrats.

https://archive.is/L96I1

More than 100 big supermarkets at risk of closure from UK business rates rise

>Meanwhile, almost 90 per cent of Asda’s roughly 600 supermarkets would be affected by the business rate increases, said a person familiar with the company.


GET THE ASDAS NATIONALISED

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It is the duty of the socialist movement to undo this.

>>2431944
What da fuggg did this happen under Thatcher?
>look it up
<Retard appointed by the Conservative Minister of Transport in the 60s, under Macmillan
>trashed all those connections for the stated purpose of "economic efficiency"
KILL ALL TORIES

>>2431948
Thatcher commissioned another report that was going to do the same thing again (The Serpell Report) but it was so unpopular that Mr. Serpell himself disavowed it (by saying that he was just answering a question and it was "no fault of his that the question was not a sensible one" and by complaining that he was only allowed to look at making the railways profitable in cash terms, without considering social/environmental benefits) and so ultimately didn't go ahead.

>>2431944
burgered

>>2431944
Fragmentation of natural habitats is bad. Just make the existing lines faster and complement them with big electric buses.

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>>2431979
Railines are the best form of human structure that can exist in a natural habitat. In many urban areas the areas of strongest bio diversity are off-road rail & tram lines.

>>2431948
The Transport Minister of the time also held shares in companies involved in constructing motorways.

>>2431985
You're just jealous of their success.

>>2431988
SO true bestie.

>>2430919
>>2431897
Social fascist scum

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>>2432001
Social Fascist? Sorry Comrade can't hear you over the sound of the UNITED FRONT.

>>2432007
Your united front are woo woo activists who buy natural herb supplements to help with their tik tok ADHD and clean their digital chakras

Call us when you take the lead over Farage in the polls

The more time I spend in left-wing circles the more right wing I become.
Well, not really, but the more I'm convinced by the efficacy of markets. Say what you will about any of the evil private companies out there, they mostly do the things they set out to do. The left is nothing like that. Don't waste your time on dead-end electoralism, waste your time on my dead-end revolutionary program instead!

It doesn't have to be like that, logically, the left has the resources and the basic know-how to do something, but there's a clear structural co-ordination problem that prevents it from doing so. The Corbyn party, even if it's a ChangeUK tier flop, would still be the most noteworthy thing the left has done since Covid.

>>2431979
>Fragmentation of natural habitats is bad.

which is why motorways everywhere is way worse than when we had trains

>>2432016
I mean are you not able to understand why advancing anticapitalist politics is more difficult than selling some consumer goods?

>>2432016
It isn't "the left"; there is no independent body pushing onwards some social democratic dream.

These are the personal political ambitions of individuals who are seeking to monopolise on the conceited interests of an electorate who given the opportunity would prefer the clock be turned back twenty years, to the heights of US imperial finance and cheap gulag Chinese labour.

They, like you, must reconcile with this position: history must continue. You cannot have a partially socialised healthcare system and seek to maintain the hegemony of your consumer power in a bourgeois state centred on the prevailing fiction of a worker's nationalism.

You are not a worker. You are a member of the proletariat.

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>>2432010
Yeah mate sure whatever you say.

>>2432023
Stop the presses: Socialist United Front Party™ wins landslide election

Party spokesperson: Weatherspoons will be nationalised, and pro-Palestine stickers will be free at the point of use

Continued: "Natural, organic, free-range homeopathic remedies to ADHD and Autism will be made available across the NHS"

"We at the Socialist United Front Party™ believe in a kinder fairer world, and are saddened at the mean things Farage is saying about immigrants; immigrants are people too, just like him"

Please vote for my lifestyle activist party 2025

>>2432016
You're not that different from the right wing anyway. You both want the same thing - the bourgeois in charge.

>>2432021
The working class and the proletariat are the same thing. This is just unecessary semantics.

>>2432035
>The working class and the proletariat are the same thing. This is just unecessary semantics.
Spoken truly like someone who has never understood a word of Capital, despite probably having read it

>>2432020
At scale, sure. Overthrowing capitalism is harder than doing capitalism. But organizing an anticapitalist party is not substantially harder than organising a Scottish or Welsh nationalist party. Even if you want to talk simply advancing anti-capitalist aesthetics, the organised left does a terrible job - pretty much all of the gain in popularity of the left comes from online LARPers and capitalism undermining itself, rather than anything more organised. Even if we just think of it as selling left-wing entertainment, there's underperformance. (lots of individuals, but no real scaling.)


>>2432021
This seems like too high level an abstraction. It may explain why Corbyn can't win, or won't succeed if he does win, but it can't explain why Corbyn's the best we've got.

>>2432032
You have a weird mental model of the world. You're shadowboxing fake lifestylists. You don't even notice that a real extremely online lifestylist would recoil at the idea of an autism cure on the NHS because having incurable self-diagnosed autism is part of their personality brand.

>>2432035
I don't "want" the bourgeois in charge, but both of us are stuck with it until someone gets rid of them - and people who can't even organize a fan-club for their meme ideology certainly aren't going to overthrow the people who currently run the world, evil and increasingly incompetent though they may be.

>>2432039
>Corbyn's the best we got

And yet you're complaining it's an abstraction: it is a bourgeois political movement which is fundamentally unrepresentative of the socialist interest, and a vehicle for securing an electoral vote in the vein of every reformist method that has come before.

If you are for socialism, revolutionary socialism, then you are for the constitution of the proletariat not as a national workers movement but as an international force. Conditions may arise in which it is easier to secure the passage of the revolutionary communists goals were Corbyn to come to power, but don't delude yourself or others with the fantasy that his party stands for anything more than the reproduction of existing class relations.

All the rank spectrum of political and ideological reaction which stains the British Parliamentary state - represented in Reform - will eventually mar Corbyn's movement. It will topple beneath its own weight, falling to be pulled apart by the pack of wolves that are the British business interests, in favour of a further and more openly avowed socially fascistic party of the right.

Corbyn's political success would be the equivalent of a tourniquet on a mortal wound.

>>2432050
This, but if you have friends who are backing the campaign help them while being upfront about what the end result will be

You do know how to assist a political campaign don't you?

Is it because Palestine? Cause when I say I like Bernie and AOC people don't like it, even tho they are just like Corbyn.

Cash or Card?

>>2432027
>>2432032
>Everyone I don't like is a lifestylist
Okay what real movement are you a part of then? Show me your material outcomes.

>>2429800
Wanted to respond to this properly;
>Your Party represent the ailing ambitions of a fractured coalition of electoral interests of British workers who simply wish to secure for themselves once more their position in the post-war global division of wealth. Corbyn's party believes its only redress to the injustices of austerity can be mobilised through Parliament, and are in that sense as quoted just attempts from within the bourgeois political structure to reform itself.
Yes okay, what is the alternative? All proletarian parties were built out of the fundamental institutions of proletarian self-representation. The issue is that these were initially vulgar. You can call this project many things, vulgar is not one of them.
>The distinction is this: Corbyn and the Your party candidate members will speak of the workers, the SEP and the WSWS will instead speak of the Proletariat. This distinction is vital, as one is nothing more than a reactionary sentiment posed under the banner of a social democratic message, the other on the contrary being the constitution and mobilisation of a properly socialist party.
The SEP won't speak to anyone because it is no-one. Every single Trotskyist sect says this. They are fundamentally mentally boxed in by their own dogma that they are unable to produce any outcome regarding the proletariat at any level. At least during the 1970s they had an existing large trade union movement they could do entryism into. Now they have nought.
>The British electoral landscape will sink over the next few years into a progressively more reactionary one: Your Party are the dying gasp and terminal offshoot of an evolutionary dead-end for the British social democratic system and its ideals. Worsening international political-economic conditions, doubled defence spending, and the final throes in the beginning and end of stripping the welfare state to its bare minimum are just part of why this must happen.
Yep, which is why it is important that even a social democratic opposition is presented, otherwise we will hungarianise; autocratic conservatives vs market liberals with no scope for anything else.
>I do not mean this in an attempt to recruit anyone but merely to point out the distinction: the SEP have now shifted from that particular form of political praxis unique to all socialist parties their size - for want of a better term, the petty administration and gatekeeping by would-be middle-class bourgeois commisars - to educating and mobilising on the basis if not in overt solidarity, then in recognition of the stage of international struggle.
All the SEP have done is make a statement in their paper. I will believe it when I see it.
>Again, if you would like to join a party which isn't centred around ritualized dogma and anarchronisms, go for the SEP. Read the perspective section on the WSWS as well as articles centred on British politics and you will soon understand why: their writers are the only ones who actually attempt to educate and not merely propagandise. I say this as the stakes have shifted significantly, as the mass arrest at the PA demonstration has demonstrated that the British state is beginning to engage in overt political repression through implicit means, specifically the Terror Act.
There is literally nothing to back this up. They are a glorified journal. That in of itself is an anarchonism.
>The only basis on which this can be resisted is through a socialist party with an internal and international party apparatus. However much you may detest them, they are the only ones who seem to have taken advantage of this unique position. It's laughable that someone has mentioned the CPGB-ML, as they may as well by comparison be relics.
The SEP's international infrastructure is hilariously tiny. They have no role in organising the proletariat in any country. Yanis Varoufakis' Progressive International has achieved more for the cause of communism than them.

>>2432050
You overestimate my investment in Corbyn. I highlight him as the best that exists not because it's a standard others should try to measure up to, but because it's such a low standard that it's remarkable that everyone else has fallen short.

It is this structural failure to thrive that I find interesting and disillusioning. The right, almost accidentally, is an international Trump cult. Take any pop-culture phenomenon you want and it's flat everywhere. International culture comes easily in the world of the internet. Look at wplace and find that we live in a mountain of international slop… yet, just about the only thing that remains firmly national is the "international" socialist movement. Socialism as a vague fandom on the internet, on the other hand, has 'thrived'. It's not even like the entire system is geared against socialism-as-such. It's just that socialists themselves are incredibly crummy organizers.

Its hilarious people are coming out of the woodwork to declare Corbyn, Sultana, and 700,000 people as "Lifestylists", "petit-bourgeois", "imperialists", "unproletarian", "imperialist" and every other dumb criticism I can imagine leveled at it. At least when he was leader of Labour you could make n argument about structures but now, YOU get to decide the fucking structure. Build the party from the bottom up. Worried about electoralism? Then lead it away from electoralism! But I dont think the actual issues are the things I have stated. I think the issue is that people are scared their own sect is not going to be the domineering force. That they wont have the control to prescribe their specific longhouse ideology. They might have to work and cooperate and build with other people. It's fucking pathetic. You can critique social democracy or democratic socialism or all of these people all you like, but fundamentally they will achieve more in a week than any trotskyist, stalinist, maoist or otherwise sect has achieved since the fall of the USSR.

>>2432050
>Corbyn's political success would be the equivalent of a tourniquet on a mortal wound.
You are literally meant to be tourniquets on moral wounds.

>>2432050
Take your finger out your cunt and stop with this middle class intellectual wank. I can't even begin to fathom what this horseshit about workers not being proletarian came from, but if it was Capital I certainly missed that part. Have some self awareness and take a listen to how out of touch you sound.

>>2432164
Are you concern trolling? This is a communist website. We want communism, not capitalism with a nice coat of paint. I'm sure the Corbyn party would make things better for workers, that's not the point. They aren't going to get us a milimetre closer to Communism or even dictatorship of the proletariat, because that's not the party's aim!

Changing capitalism from the inside has never worked and never will work because you're trying to alter the base through just a tiny part of the superstructure (the official political system). The base will always change you before you can change it, and if they think you are too dangerous they will kill you off and then its violent revolution anyway but this time you are 1000% less prepared for it.

Go on, join the party, in fact it probably represents you well. You're a bourgeois socialist. Just don't be suprised that Marxists hate you.

>>2432286
name 5 things you've done in your life that make communism so much as a millimeter closer. or, failing that, explain why you've never done anything.

Chinky tonight lids.

>>2432293
She went to court for protesting ZOG that's more than you've ever done faggot.

If you are white then you are right wing by default. This whole site proves it, just a bunch of poltards trolling.

>>2432227
The point being: you have a limited time after a tourniquet is applied to act before you bleed out from hemorrhaging

>>2432286
>Middle class intellectual wank
"…without revolutionary theory there can be no revolutionary movement"

>>2432293
Party work every day, running events, chairing affiliated orgs, recruiting people. What do you think I spend my time doing? Scrolling leftypol touching my tits? Working full time at a factory when nobody is hiring but night shift care work and part time cleaning? You can do communist work in Britain, and furthermore its not a matter of choice, either you're working for communism or you might as well be playing video games.

>>2432345
If you are petit-bourgeois then you are right-wing by default. But there is no evil race, when the very concept was made up by the colonialists to justify oppresion. There is no white race.

>>2432382
if you had to put a time on it, when do you think your party (no, not that one…) will be worthy of anything but derision? 2026? 2030? 2525?
(i would be nice and pick the most successful one and assume you're in it, but none stand out as worth anything…)

>>2432394
Today. Now go out and take history into the hands of the working class rather than latching onto yet another bourgeois socialist failiure.

>>2432402
>Working class
If the working class and the proletariat are the same thing, why do Marxists differentiate between them?

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>That's not on, mate.

>>2432286
> Are you concern trolling?
In no way anything I said could be construed as concern trolling.

Be honest, what's your opinion on Owen Jones?

>>2432818
He's a cocain addict.

>>2432818
Shabbos goy.

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The kids are alright.

>>2432818
Ey up, lovely!

>>2433248
us scousers tend to be like this
>>2432404
"proletariat" is a latin term meaning "those who have children", referring to the poor who breed to supply the state with children, which is further contextualised to the 19th century working class, of victorian england. anyone using the term "proletariat" today is a larper - same way "bourgeoisie" is extrapolated from the urban dwelling "burghers". it has no historical significance today. again, its thankful to escape the marxist cult.
>>2432016
what is "right-wing" about markets? capital is an anti-market, as mark fisher writes. as a centre-left liberal myself, i will give you a liberal sketch of marx to ease you into your own common sense: marx separates commodity circulation (C-M-C) from capital accumulation (M-C-M') by the aristotelian framework of "economy" vs "chrematistics":
>zur kritik der politischen ökonomie, chapter 3, section a, footnote 17
>capital, vol. 1, chapter 4, footnote 6
marx further praises commodity exchange here:
>This sphere that we are deserting, within whose boundaries the sale and purchase of labour-power goes on, is in fact a very Eden of the innate rights of man. There alone rule Freedom, Equality, Property and Bentham. Freedom, because both buyer and seller of a commodity, say of labour-power, are constrained only by their own free will. They contract as free agents, and the agreement they come to, is but the form in which they give legal expression to their common will. Equality, because each enters into relation with the other, as with a simple owner of commodities, and they exchange equivalent for equivalent. Property, because each disposes only of what is his own. And Bentham, because each looks only to himself. The only force that brings them together and puts them in relation with each other, is the selfishness, the gain and the private interests of each. Each looks to himself only, and no one troubles himself about the rest, and just because they do so, do they all, in accordance with the pre-established harmony of things, or under the auspices of an all-shrewd providence, work together to their mutual advantage, for the common weal and in the interest of all.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch06.htm
and further speaks of "self-earned" precapitalist property being replaced by capitalist property here:
>Self-earned private property, that is based, so to say, on the fusing together of the isolated, independent labouring individual with the conditions of his labour, is supplanted by capitalistic private property, which rests on exploitation of the nominally free labour of others, i.e., on wage labour.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch32.htm#n1
this form of self-earned property would be understood by john locke as legitimated by the mixture of labour and nature, whereby man establishes property. this is the theoretical basis of liberalism: self-ownership and the rightful property of one's own labour (with the british school of political economy founding and expounding upon the labour theory of value from a common protestant symptom). many anarchists are still liberal in their orientations, so can be tolerable on this question. there are also various sorts of "market socialists" which might interest you. dont be afraid of leaving the marxist church. serve truth above all idols.

>>2433256
>"proletariat" is a latin term meaning "those who have children", referring to the poor who breed to supply the state with children, which is further contextualised to the 19th century working class, of victorian england. anyone using the term "proletariat" today is a larper - same way "bourgeoisie" is extrapolated from the urban dwelling "burghers". it has no historical significance today. again, its thankful to escape the marxist cult.
Illiterate. For starters bourgeoisie wasn't "extrapolated" from anything, in French it referred to the urban elite. It was then transposed to refer to that class across the world. The idle who make money off capital. Likewise for Proletarian simple meant "those who owned little to no property" in ancient Rome. It being transposed to mean wage-earners, like in victorian england ot contemporary Guinea-Bissau makes sense and is coherent. Take your semantic sophistry somewhere else.

>>2433296
They're quoting the etymological roots because they believe it will explain everything.

Unfortunately, it cannot explain why they have shit for brains

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The entire purpose of the modern Labour Party is to take money away from the working people of England (yes England, not Britain) and then use that money to improve the lives of everybody other than the working people of England. Social democracy in Britain today is one of the most oppressive and exploitative systems of government that exists in the world at present.

At least Hitler gave the German proletariat subsidised holidays and the autobahn.

Only in Britain can you ask for a comprehensive differentiation between the conceptual relations of two categories and the ways they are used, and be given a one sentence summary from some inbred moron who's read a bit too much Plato.

May as well have fucking asked you why water's wet.

>>2433321
two categories in thought*

>>2433296
>For starters bourgeoisie wasn't "extrapolated" from anything, in French it referred to the urban elite.
yes, so the term was broadened to describe an international character of a particular personage, which would be validly described as extrapolation, since it is projecting something over the world.
>The idle who make money off capital.
you mean "capitalists" then, not your jargon.
>Likewise for Proletarian simple meant "those who owned little to no property" in ancient Rome.
that is not the root meaning:
<The proletariat (/ˌproʊlɪˈtɛəriət/; from Latin proletarius 'producing offspring')
so proletarians are "those who produce offspring"
>It being transposed to mean wage-earners, like in victorian england ot contemporary Guinea-Bissau makes sense and is coherent.
no it isnt, as the etymology shows. why not just refer to "workers" and "capitalists" instead of larping?
>Take your semantic sophistry somewhere else.
stop using words you dont understand.
>>2433318
the etymology of a word describes its meaning, so the only way to have grammatical intelligibility is indeed by tracing the roots of words and phrases. its weird how anti-intellectual people become when you merely spotlight their inauthentic dogmatism.
>>2433320
the labour party is not in any way "social democratic"
>>2433321
talking to yourself?

>>2433337
How do you unironicly not understand how language works?
Again. 18+ website.

>>2433344
>you use a word incorrectly
<i correct you
that should be the end of the discourse.

>>2433320
Moronic self-serving bullshit, but another point for those who know Britain has a failed as a nation-building project like Yugoslavia or the USSR. It will implode in the same way: The biggest country will decide that its vassals are actually ripping it off and abandon the basic principles of the union. Russia will quit the USSR. If Scotland is lucky, Slovenia-like, ethnically pure, it will leave and that'll be that. God help wales, though. That's a future Bosnia if ever I saw one. Too English to be independent, too Welsh to be part of England…

Social Democracy existed in Britain only very briefly under Harold Wilson. This country was 'socdem' for as little as 2 years.

>>2433337
>the labour party is not in any way "social democratic"
I'm struggling to see how you could even set out exactly what social democracy is as it has changed so much through time and varies between countries.

>>2433375
>Britain has a failed as a nation-building project like Yugoslavia or the USSR. It will implode in the same way: The biggest country will decide that its vassals are actually ripping it off
Britain's vassals are objectively ripping it off. As were the Soviet Republics like Estonia, Latvia, Azerbaijan etc. who benefitted greatly from the USSR, to the detriment of Russians, but still had the impudence to claim oppression and bail from the union with maximum theatrics in '91.

Hopefully if the Scottish ever try the same we can learn from the mistakes of others and not permit their newly formed pissant state to become a glorified military base for hostile foreign powers.

>>2433353
Is this severe autism or am I being trolled?

>>2433391
It only 'changes' if you're an idiot who accepts any mong calling themselves a socdem as a socdem, at which point you're going to have to swallow the fact that Labour is constitutionally not socdem, but democratic socialist.

Frankly, I wouldn't insult any ideology by tying it to this government. Even Blairism was more imaginative. Blair had more legislative achievements in his first 100 days than this government is going to get in their entire 4 year term.

>>2433400
England is already a host to military bases for a foreign hostile power: the USA. The USA has screwed England and its stupid empire over every single chance it's got, and England has sat down and taken it like a good vassal. America tricked England into becoming the only country ever to abandon the independent capability to launch satellites. America almost tricked Britain out of being a nuclear power, and then at the last moment tricked it out of being an indepndent nuclear power. Now Britain depends on America for nuclear missiles (Britain makes the warheads - badly - domestically) and America sends the missiles that don't work. There hasn't been a successful Trident test-launch in over a decade! America pushed countries not to loan Britain money in the 1970s so it'd have to go to the IMF. America took over Britain's empire post-war… Need I go on?

Any claim to Scottish exploitation of England is rendered risible by the realities of north sea oil. We live in the worst of all possible worlds, where Scotland's oil was handed off - 90% to American oil companies, 10% in tax cuts to rich wankers - to the detriment of real industry Britain-wide. If you look at it nationally, England rinsed Scotland and America rinsed England, if you look at it in class terms, the bourgeoisie rinsed everybody.

>>2433402
if im wrong, show me how im wrong.
ive already proven you wrong, which is why are now cowering begind sageposts.

>>2433337
>the etymology of a word describes its meaning
What a good little bourgeois intellectual you are

Reminder that this was the position in the 1970s.
>It must be concluded therefore that large revenues and balance of payments gains would indeed accrue to a Scottish Government in the event of independence
>Undoubtedly this would banish any anxieties the Government might have had about its budgetary position or its balance of payments. The country would tend to be in chronic surplus to a quite embarrassing degree and its currency would become the hardest in Europe, with the exception perhaps of the Norwegian kroner. Just as deposed monarchs and African leaders have in the past used the Swiss franc as a haven of security, so now would the Scottish pound be seen as a good hedge against inflation and devaluation and the Scottish banks could expect to find themselves inundated with a speculative inflow of foreign funds.

>The SNP countered these figures by claiming that North Sea oil should by 1980 be yielding a Government revenue of approximately £800m… Up to now much of the Scottish public may have regarded the SNP figures as pretty wild and they have been publicly condemned as such by Ministers…

>today, following the huge increase in international oil prices of recent months the corresponding figures are in the range of £1,500m. to over £3,000m. Thus, all that is wrong now with the SNP estimate is that it is far too low; there is a prospect of Government oil revenues in 1980 which could greatly exceed the present Government revenue in Scotland from all sources and could even be comparable in size to the whole of the Scottish national income in 1970.

Well, surely Scotland OWES England, right? After all, what about all the spending before oil! Surely the oil just paid of all that debt, right?
>Output per head in most sectors of Scottish industry is well below European levels. This is largely because the British economy has invested much less than other European countries over the last 25 years.
>As an independent state, Scotland’s balance of payments position would enable her to break out of the ‘stop-go’ cycle and a sustained rate of growth could be planned on the basis that it could be carried on for at least a decade.
>Scottish GDP per head is only 70 per cent of the European average, the unemployment and emigration rates among the highest and the country regarded by the EEC as one of its worst problem regions…
Oh.

Once you understand how badly north sea oil was blundered, you'll never stop seething. Scotland could've been Norway and England could've maintained some semblance of productive industry. (because the GBP wouldn't have become overvalued due to oil) Instead, Scotland is fucked and England is fucked. The money was completely pissed up the wall on subsidizing de-industrialization. Only Venezuela - and even there, I hesitate - has blundered a natural boon so badly.

>"Actually, etymological distinctions trace the inner connections of past social relations as they are conferred as distinct units of meaning. It is YOU who is anti-intellectual"

Our hero then pats himself on the back; linguistics, social linguistics, Lacanian psychology, and Marxism itself is a conquered field. He realises at last his task: in order to free the proletariat the workers, he need simply tell them that they are free and show them the etymology of the word.

>>2433248
Based response and double down lol

>>2433423
grammar is logical and depends upon fixed attributes of words (which grant them conditional definitions in the first place, since if we associated the same words with different meanings, we eventually come to speak different languages - "black" cannot also mean "blue" for example, lest both lose their meaning, so this is logic, based in the law of identity; spelling further applies this function of distinction - two words can be synonyms, but cannot be spelled the same despite sharing the same meaning, so this would be akin to algebraic formulation). lets take prefixes and suffixes. if i apply a negative prefix to a word: non-, un-, mal-, i thereby denote a negative characteristic, such as is the case of negative mathematical functions applied to variables. grammar is a logic system; this is what grants it intelligibility, and further, connotation, by words sharing name-groups. what allows for the naming of a word for example? etymology, based in an original root language. english for example is based in greek, latin and german, so many words are traced back to these origins. etymology then confers the history and meaning of a word as it comes to be used. the reason why meaning in language can be connoted is precisely due to this sharing of name-groups due to etymology. the proper use of terms is important for communication.

also, you havent quite explained how im wrong.

>>2433439
Confused Confucian, language is not mathematics and you cannot create harmony by rectifying the names.

>>2433430
>freaking out because i explained how words have meaning based in their historical origins.

>>2433444
confucius was anti-semiotic by pointing to the immediacy of objects beyond the medium of signification. this is his antisocial mysticism, while your mistake is assuming the ahistorical character of terms.
>language is not logical
yes it is. and if not, rebuke my points.

>>2433442
>grammar is logical
Yes, uh, so you'd say we'd be dealing with logical categories.

Excuse me, but isn't this a Marxist imageboard.

>>2433445
You've transcended history by supplanting abstract philosophical schemas in its place and have formed an idealistic totality, which you've then tried to pass off as Marxist.

Fuck off you pathetic bougie little twat.

>>2433442
This is an extremely outdated view on what contributes meaning of words in language. Meaning is not a fixed attribute or inherent property. The meaning of a world is completely dependent on its relationship to other words and its various contexts. In short: meaning is more of a dynamic and emergent property.

>>2433451
>marxism is opposed to logic
this is your claim? 🤔
>>2433453
ive explained how language is historical and logical and so youve sperged out - and provided no counter-argument, which shows your utter impotence.
>>2433454
>Meaning is not a fixed attribute or inherent property.
so what are the definitions of words?
>The meaning of a world is completely dependent on its relationship to other words and its various contexts.
and how do words connote? by being part of the same name-group. what forms name-groups? etymology.

>>2433458
>so what are the definitions of words?
They are nothing but another language context basically, they are not a priori, but a posteriori mostly. Meanings don't flow from dictionary definitions, it's the other way round. You see, definitions themselves just use more words that themselves are used in definitions all the way down, it's basically a circular argument you are making which you break by understanding that meaning is an emergent property of the totality of language itself and understanding this fundamental property of lingustics allowed us to make language models in the fist place, map them to vector spaces and all that shit. There is nothing inherent or essential in a word like a 'word soul' or something that gives it its meaning and believing this is another form of idealism basically.

>>2433446
I didn't say it wasn't logical, I said it was not mathematics. I don't think terms are ahistorical, I think they're so contextual that appealing to written history becomes meaningless. If I, personally, always say 'blue' when I mean 'red', you can find me perfectly intelligible when I tell you to stop at the 'blue' (red) light (unless we're in Japan, where - because their color-names map slightly differently to ours - their 'green' lights are quite blue-y.), while knowing that if anyone else says to stop at the blue (blue) light, and you're not aware of any blue lights, you've gotta ask for clarification.

You could perhaps resolve this by insisting my english-with-one-quirk is its own language, but if you do that then everyone's speaking their own language. It's so much easier when X=2

>>2433465
>they are not a priori
if i apply a negative prefix to a word, will the meaning of the word be negatively affected henceforth? if yes, then this is an a priori effect, like functions being applied to mathematical variables.
>its all made up
since mathematics is a human invention, can 1+1 ever equal to 3?
>>2433466
>logical not mathematical
maths is applied logic
>I think they're so contextual that appealing to written history becomes meaningless
the english language can literally be traced back through different sources. that is the context.
>words have different meanings in different cultures
yes, as i explained. if we apply different meanings to the same thing then we create different languages.
>everyone speaks their own language
yes and no. we have dialects and accents which form their own slang and terminology and pronounciation. this would become a different language if we used different words. a londoner and a scotsman sound likr they speak different languages but they still use the same words.

>>2433487
>if i apply a negative prefix to a word, will the meaning of the word be negatively affected henceforth? if yes, then this is an a priori effect, like functions being applied to mathematical variables.

Using a prefix on a word is the equivalent of using negation. So what? That's just trivial. There are numerous examples of words using so-called negative suffixes but having their positive meaning, there even are so called auto-antonymes, words that themselves are their opposite meaning like 'sanction' and what defines their meaning? Their context. There is nothing about a 'negative suffix' that gives it the property of being a 'negative suffix' its meaning is also dependent on context. In some languages for example double negation means neutralization. In other language double negation means intensification.

>>2433400
>As were the Soviet Republics like Estonia, Latvia, Azerbaijan etc. who benefitted greatly from the USSR, to the detriment of Russians
The uyghur russian monarchist logged on

>>2433487
if i say 'blue' for 'red' (perhaps i'm doing this here, and i'm really saying 'red' for 'blue'?) then looking up the etymology of 'blue' will do you very little good. the relevant and incredibly specific context exists between us, not in the etymology of the words.
thinking of it logically does you little good. why can one be unruly, but not ruly? (because ruly is a non-word that was once a word. logically, there's no reason it can't be a word, indeed, i could make it a word again on a whim, have done so for the purpose of this exercise…)

language is distinguished from mathematics or logic in that it is fuzzy. when you say "likr" i do not throw a syntax error or find myself looking back to the vaguely-english-related old norse líkr to derive the meaning. (though as luck would have it, that would be a passable strategy in this case), i can infer that it's the most probable word to be used given the surrounding words, that it's the most probable word given e is one step from r on the keyboard, and so on. You haven't accidentally invented a new language through your error, even though you'd bring a mathematical equation to a screeching halt.

>>2433497
Inflammable means flammable? What a country!

>>2433458
>ive explained how language is historical and logical and so youve sperged out - and provided no counter-argument, which shows your utter impotence.


<"I cannot respond to the contention because I have not understood the argument, and as is apparent to anyone in the thread with a brain, arguing with me is pointless"

How do you retards find your way here

>>2433516
>thinking of it logically does you little good
Unfortunately, people with autism are highly logical

>>2433423
>What a good little bourgeois intellectual you are
Not sure that your average booj intelectual is dumb enough to think this, which is saying something. I think that guy is just sincerely mentally handicapped.

>>2433445
>>freaking out because i explained how words have meaning based in their historical origins.
Anon, people laughing at you and calling you retarded isn't 'freaking out', is this a kind of self-defence mechanism that comes with autism?

Just sink the island, it’s a human wasteland and none of you deserve a future

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>>2433497
>Using a prefix on a word is the equivalent of using negation.
right, so the meaning of a word is directly related to its grammar. can you remove grammar from language?
>In some languages for example double negation means neutralization. In other language double negation means intensification.
which still means that a new state of meaning is applied with the addition of a prefix; so its a formal relationship between variables. if a term can be negated in its prior negation, then its directly arithmetical. so language is logical, yes?
>>2433516
>connotation proves that language is illogical
its the opposite. if i say "likr", then "like" is still the *correct* form of the corrupted term. if you agree that correct and incorrect spellings exist, then you submit to the formalism of language. so, where do you think correct spellings come from? name-groups which denote a common root term. this is how linguists theorise history; if two words are similar, they are hypothesised to be inherently related by a common root term or language - look at PIE for example.
>>2433594
there is no argument against my position, which is why i only receive replies which confirm my theory further, or mindless insults which attempt to mask impotence.
>>2433684
keep sageposting

Well Alice, it seems we both like etymology don't we

>>2433694
What do you think we're working towards

>>2433735
There is no goal and there is nothing, empires are always fueled by nihilism

>>2433337
>you mean "capitalists" then, not your jargon.
The term capitalist was also invented by marx you dolt.

>>2433337
>so proletarians are "those who produce offspring"
Yes but "Proletarii" in Rome was a census category for those who did not own or owned very little property.

>>2433375
>Social Democracy existed in Britain only very briefly under Harold Wilson. This country was 'socdem' for as little as 2 years.
Interested, why this period and not 1945-51?

>>2433860
>The Hollantse (German: holländische) Mercurius uses "capitalists" in 1633 and 1654 to refer to owners of capital.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism
so, wrong again. look under the "etymology" section.
>>2433862
>Proletarii
their children were listed as viable property. the truly propertyless were called "capite censi":
>Those who owned 11,000 assēs (coins) or fewer fell below the lowest category for military service, and their children—prōlēs (offspring)—were listed instead of property; hence the name proletarius (producer of offspring). Roman citizen-soldiers paid for their own horses and arms, and fought without payment for the commonwealth, but the only military contribution of a proletarius was his children, the future Roman citizens who could colonize conquered territories. Officially, propertyless citizens were called capite censi because they were "persons registered not as to their property…but simply as to their existence as living individuals, primarily as heads (caput) of a family."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proletariat

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So there aren't any asylum seekers/refugees at this hotel. They appear to just be going to it for shits and giggles to do what exactly? Are just all hotels bad? Have these lot just associated the concept of a hotel with migration now?

>>2433868
You missed out half of this;
> "Capitalism" is derived from capital, which evolved from capitale, a late Latin word based on caput, meaning "head"—which is also the origin of "chattel" and "cattle" in the sense of movable property (only much later to refer only to livestock).
So it is actually about having a head which is about capitalists being smart.

>>2433867
A few reasons, the simplest being that the Attlee government was really national-developmentalist. For all the hype behind the NHS, spending on warfare far outstripped spending on health, education, and general social welfare. Wilson's first term was of a similar outlook (though with a general retrenchment in defence spending, sadly not including culling Polaris), while briefly in the 74-76 period, with the social contract and a genuinely radical manifesto, there was a pivot to general social concern. (Which never really had buy-in from Healey or the treasury and which ultimately collapsed under Callaghan.)

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NOT GUILTY

>>2433703
> if you agree that correct and incorrect spellings exist
I don't agree with that.

>>2434066
Yes but Attlee nationalised the commanding heights of the economy. Wilson did not.

I feel something important is missing from the "social democracy" debate, and that's that although its obviously not socialism, capitalists don't get to introduce it for free. Capitalists don't have a "social democracy" button they can press on and off willy nilly to "save" capital. Social Democracy can save capital in the short term but begins to cripple capitalism in the long run, hence the viciousness of the backlash Thatcher led.

In the end, it doesn't matter if its not socialism, state owned industry, housing, health care ect will begin to push the private (and especially finance) sector into the background and leads to a slow withering of the capitalist class. This is why it was necessary for neoliberalism to reverse it as quicklly as possible.

>>2434143
>there are no correct forms of spelling
then why are you currently spelling correctly? you are contradicting yourself. if a child was ungrammatical in school, do you think its wrong for a teacher to correct them?

We need to fucking dissolve "Stand Up to Racism" they are an active fucking liability.

>>2434405
Social Democracy aka the Post-war Consensus only existed because Eastern Europe and Northern Eurasia were locked behind COMECON. If they had been market capitalist states with free trade it never would have been able to function. It was a walled garden whose walls were broken by Japanese Knotweed in the 1970s (I have seen data showing that Japanese Steel production alone matched 50% of the entirety of capitalist Europe).

>>2434691
we are a colony of the american empire, so its non-negotiable, im afraid.

>>2434691
No. Out of all the trot rape cults they are by far the funniest and most visible. They're also actively radicalising the British population against Starmer which is a good thing.

>>2434142
Sounds based?

socialist workers party stand in the city centre.
posters say "refugees welcome", "defy the supreme court" and "free palestine". nothing about class issues.

>>2434749
You still bought the newspaper like a good little boy though.

>>2434757
no i didnt?

>>2434644
>if a child was ungrammatical in school, do you think its wrong for a teacher to correct them?
Yes, obviously.

>>2434769
wait, why do you keep spelling words correctly and using punctuation? the only way to defeat the system of logic is to be an illiterate retard, so try taking your own advice.


>>2434749
That's the geopolitik obsessed

>>2434771
gud point. ogey iwll tlk too u liek dis frm naw awn, chears. :)

>>2434749
SWP are an active liability, like their fronts ("Stand Up to Racism", "Love Music Hate Racism", all of them). They are parasitic on any legitimate organising meanwhile acting like a caricature of a degenerate student lefty. An actual leech of an organisation.

https://x.com/WillKingston/status/1956282899847680381/photo/1

putting this in britpol because this guy is a chief spectator/gb news hack lol

>>2434980
High quality journalism

>>2434980
topkek.
The thing about the map always made me since a kid doubt that spaniard cunt who said he found america though, what did the russians think was there? honestly telling me they never noticed the americas? okay.

>>2434846
Hilarious that they still refer to Ukraine as an inter-imperialist war.

Maintaining the 'British Workers' line until the end.

>>2434980
tbf to him, the Russians and Americans never treat the proximity between Alaska and Siberia as a potential threat to their national security, making it seem like there is a considerable distance between the landmass.

>>2434983
TBF though it's not like siberia was highly populated at the time. They probably just were like 'great probably more siberia over there, who cares'

>>2434983
According to reddit "Russia only reached the Pacific in the 1640's, and by then not only had Spain discovered the New World, but also the Portuguese, the French, the English, and the Dutch had all set up colonies because it is SO MUCH easier and faster and safer to launch across the Atlantic and navigate West, than it is to set off across untamed and unsettled Tundra wildlands."

the novara media crowd are a strange lot:
>shoplifting has increased
<legalise vagrancy!

https://archive.is/vxKhH

Treasury prepares tax reforms in push to boost UK productivity

>>2435045
🤣 as per usual, this labour party only fall slightly short of the tories of being the worst of all possible options. reeves wants to raise taxes while simultaneously cutting regulation. so its big business and big government vs the public.

>>2435008
Why do you think shoplifting has increased?

Up the RA

>>2434691
How are they a liability if you don’t mind me asking ?

>>2434144
I don't put too much weight on the importance of nationalisation to social democracy as such. In any case, what's more interesting is that his motivation was focused on national efficiency rather than on anti-capitalism. (Hence why Steel, for example, was bought at a very generous price. The idea wasn't "the workers will finally own the steel industry, fuck those capitalist blood-suckers!" it was "You're shit capitalists, you're running this industry into the ground, government managers will do better. Here's more money than you deserve: go play in the traffic")

>>2434692
>>2434405
How does this model explain the existence of vestigial social-democratic parties? That is, parties like the SNP 2007-2015 or NZ Labour 1999-2008 which, while unable to shift the dial on the neoliberal macroeconomic consensus, break with it directionally.
e.g. SNP brought back universalist services like free tuition and prescriptions and have (tepidly) raised income tax rates in Scotland (although ultimately the party under Sturgeon turned to neoliberal sludge), NZ Labour brought Air NZ and NZ rail back into real public ownership, restored a reasonably progressive income tax system, abolished workfare (at the same time Blair was creating it!), created a new combo wealth-fund and pension scheme, restored legal recognition of trade unions (!) and generally ended a stream of radical neoliberal reforms that had run unbroken from 1984-1999.

None of that's radical second coming stuff, it doesn't quite raise to the level of social democracy, but it's a plausible attempt when contrasted with Blair or especially with Starmer, where the enemy was always to their left.

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>>2435106
well if we look at the stats, its not exactly astronomical, so its a nominal increase but cant harm profits beyond the standard rate (so in the first place, shoplifting is a talking point, not a serious issue). secondly, videos of shoplifting appears to either feature homeless tramps raiding shops or urban youf brazenly and openly picking what they want - so who are shoplifters? lumpen - its not a working class epidemic, so standard of living isnt "causing" an increase of crime - its a simple breakdown of law and order (this is also because police will NOT respond to shoplifting calls, and security guards are not legally able to apprehend shoplifters, so the shoplifters perceive weakness in the system). so to me, its just part of the decline of civility, where theft is normalised (the police similarly refuse to investigate burglaries in london despite us living in a surveilance state). a solution for shoplifting would be to grant security guards extra powers over the resources of a shop so as to be able to kick people out or search them.

>>2435045
If the government was remotely competent the first thing it would've done is scrap national insurance and fold it into the income tax system, which you concurrently reform to be less of a baroque nightmare. The current system is a gigantic scam where workers pay NICs but wealthy pensioners, shareholders, landlords, etc, do not. If you did that, you could cut the effective income tax paid by the average worker and still wind up with more revenue (and a much less complex tax system) than before.

But that requires being a little brave: wealthy pensioners and landlords won't like this. Sure, workers will like it, and they'll demand to keep their tax cut, and there's more of them… but… it's scary. So instead they took the idiot-coward option: try to find marginal savings from winter fuel payments, disability payments, etc. The problem is that nobody benefits from that change - workers don't want you freezing their gran or re-running Aktion T4 no matter how you try to sell it. The idiot coward option is also the unpopular option.

The thing about 'Starmerism' is that even as a right-wing government it's a patently stupid one. I could run a better late-neoliberal early-war-economy shitshow than this.

>>2436027
laffin at a clip of some guy getting thrown out of greggs being labelled as 'daily mail EXCLUSIVE'

>>2436090
You are misidentifying the root causes though, it's not that Labour is cowardly per se, it's that they work for those wealthy elite, not for you. It's not that they're incompetent, they're malicious.

>>2436027
northerners are like this, i went up there once and the greggs are full of security guards. ridiculous excuses for people.

>>2436136
That's partly it, as is the fact UK industry is mostly parasitism, but a competent right wing government would at least set the bourgeoisie against the pensioners. It's absolutely an institutional failure of our politics that our income tax system is such a mess. Ditch the cut-out tax dodges and cut the rates and even capitalists gain.

>>2436003
>I don't put too much weight on the importance of nationalisation to social democracy as such. In any case, what's more interesting is that his motivation was focused on national efficiency rather than on anti-capitalism. (Hence why Steel, for example, was bought at a very generous price. The idea wasn't "the workers will finally own the steel industry, fuck those capitalist blood-suckers!" it was "You're shit capitalists, you're running this industry into the ground, government managers will do better. Here's more money than you deserve: go play in the traffic")
Tbf this is the ideolgoical basis of Fabianism; that capitalism is evil because it is inefficient, and such inefficiency causes poverty, which is morally evil. Ergo capitalism is morally evil and must be replaced with state socialism.

Isn't it interesting that as soon as the thread hits the bump limit the resident retard, whom the jannies seem to tolerate, is nowhere to be seen.


>>2417627
Despite me hating Boomers, 16/17yrs shouldn't be able to vote, tho I also believe that if your 80 or over you should have your voting rights stripped or given to a family member who will vote on your behaf


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