>>2405724> Itâs like, fundamentally impossible for you to comprehend that the bourgeoisie arenât gonna disband the police just because you ask, isnât it? You think, what, you hold a sign that says âabolish the policeâ and you can just magically trick them into doing it?No shit the bourgeoisie wonât just abolish the police, just like they wonât abolish wage labor, the firm, or the nation; Iâm sure you expect me to uphold those grand pillars too, retarded fuck? You literally pointing out why there is nothing wrong with demanding the abolition of the police. The goal isnât actually to acquire a reform or concession, itâs to get people to understand the fetters in their lives.
> Will you? Cause if you were annoyed by what I said so much youâre throwing a fucking temper tantrum here, then just wait till you talk to the masses who may legitimately think âbut without the cops, people will all be raping and killing each other!âBecause motherfucker, we arenât trying to achieve your grand movement to get DSA á´uá´lossnW or whoever the fuck socdems soyface over elected, but to hold an actual radical line; communism wonât come about because communists convince workers that it needs to happen, you canât voluntarily bring on an epochal shift, only history can set this up and only an entire class of people can achieve it. This isnât an excuse to uphold bourgeois idealism and encourage it to proletarians. But I guess if youâre willing to shill for nationalism and racialism it makes sense why you donât get this. Why you canât comprehend communism isnât workerism. Itâs not about reinforcing every retarded spook the bourgeoisie has shat into the mass consciousness of the proletariat. And honestly? If you genuinely believe the proles are stupid animals that, in no circumstances, could ever comprehend abolishing a civil force that exists to murder and kidnap them based on the standards it chose for itself, at the very least maybe they could get behind stripping such an organization of its roles of surveillance and property defense.
> See Iâm under the impression that itâs simply what youâd want law enforcement to be after a socialist revolution, which is still problematic for its own reasons. Youâre trying to position it as a tactic OF revolution, but if youâre trying to abolish the police in bourgeois society youâre either gonna end up with Blackwater Mercenaries with even less oversight replacing them, or at that point the revolution is pretty ongoing and so sloganeering about the police is irrelevant.Holy shit, it has nothing to do with your fascist fantasies about socialist police brutality, with the ACTUALLY EXISTING POLICE FORCES socialist organizing has been EXTREMELY DIFFICULT IS THE POINT; holy shit, the Black Panthers barely accomplished much more beyond being a national scale org practicing their actual constitutional rights and anarchist tier mutual aid and were still destroyed by an FBI with far less surveillance capabilities and access to urban suppressive technology
You are literally defending the noose on our throats to own protestors you dislike
>>2405728Two questions:
How can you be sure the society you exist in does not predispose people towards violent acts rather than the essentialist position that some people are simply violent and are either evil or cannot control their own actions?
Secondly, why is an organization that exists specifically to be apart from and above the community necessary to deal with such a problem?
>>2405714Who are you defending âorderâ against?