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>>2402523 >>2404188>The way she dresses isn't really anything special. She's wearing a strapless dress and the skirt is like a millimeter below her coochie. She definitely looks like she'd be hot enough to have an instagram with tons of followers.
>. She's painfully average,It's funny how guys who never leave their house rate women.
>>2404187>Watch this cracker australian sex pest who conveniently lives in a very economically broken peripheral country using dollarSS from breadtubeLike come on man. Badempanda isn't even involved in actual Argentinian or Australian politics. It is very easy for him to adopt this maximalist purity spiraling bullshit
Btw very funny that you respond to me saying that first world white progressives are gentrifying the Palestinian cause by pointing to an AuSStralian gentrifying Argentina you cant make this shit up
>>2404220>older and reproduction is no longer possible they go back to their lolicon submissive male ways Did you read the image? Submissive males disappears after age 40.
>>2404208Well I guess one appearance at age 60 in the 5th place.
>>2404217I mean what else are you gonna talk about
We're in the dry season rn wait until midterms kick in or some happening is happenings
>>2404239My mom is nearly 60, can't operate a computer, can't even use a keyboard, but still spends probably 10 hours a day simultaneously watching TV, browsing tiktok on her iphone, and watching Youtube on her tablet.
The internet is going to be the end of humanity. We deserve it though.
>>2404229I hate to break it to you but change is inevitable and that's why you have to actively try to shape that change. The internet has gotten worse because of powerful people and groups working to make it so. Leftypol has gotten worse because of people refusing to deal with the realities of its condition and appeals to spooks about "board culture."
Change happens and if you're not working to try and make it good change then you're just passively letting whatever happen in which case you have no right to complain.
>>2404155you've
never seen /pol/ rejoice at things like the Christchurch NZ shooting or seething about muslims?
Come on we all know what the general character of /pol/ is. Yes I see all types post, so who can give a summary, but at least what defines "/pol/ culture" is White supremacy and some concept of being at war with other races.
>>2404152>/pol/ seethes about DA JOOZ but is secretly excited when Israelis kill "Mudslimes"So of course I've seen this debated on /pol/ a bit whether what Israel is doing is appalling, or whether the Muslims deserve it because of how they've invaded the West, or that the Jews are the ones behind sending all the Muslims to Europe to destroy White civilization, or whether Islam is the answer to a decadent West and a soy Christianity, and then there are a fuck load of Muslims who post on /pol/.
>>2404248>Change happens and if you're not working to try and make it good change then you're just passively letting whatever happen in which case you have no right to complain.As an individual you only have the power to affect what's directly in front of you. If you blame yourself for every failure of humanity you'll just be in constant despair over the infinitely decaying world we live in. Entropy dictates that the universe only moves in one direction, and for the one or two things you may be able to affect within your very limited lifespan, there's probably hundreds or thousands of things that decayed into garbage because you're just one person with limited means.
That doesn't mean you can't change things or shouldn't try to, but everything decays with or without your input. The universe doesn't create new stuff out of nothing, and your metaphysical energy or willpower doesn't necessarily result in the creation of new matter, otherwise I'd have an anime gf already. It simply reconstitutes old stuff, and that also applies to societal systems. The American Empire is just a culturally decayed, but sociologically more efficient version of what came before it, to maximize the extraction of human labor for the orphan grinding machine that is Capitalism. The decay of the internet from something wild, free, and open into something strictly controlled by corporations, credit card companies, governments, and influencers is the same. It's just the reorganization into a more efficient system for the extraction of labor. But more efficient, straightforward systems are also less interesting and less nuanced. Like slavery is a more efficient form of wage labor(you don't have to pay a wage anymore!) but it also creates less opportunities for economic growth since a slave can never develop beyond the caste they were born into regardless of their potential. The post-iphone internet takes this to the extreme and turns every single individual online into either a consumer or a creator, with no nuance or room for classless relationships like those on imageboards. Either you're the person selling content or the person paying for content, any human emotion is removed.
This is a bit of an autistic rant but I just feel like no matter what we did the internet was always gonna end up this way. Many of us tried for ages to retain the old culture, to develop a new culture that adhered to the best parts of the old culture, but a few hundred channers, goons, and diggers were never gonna be enough to survive against the horde of normies that have no idea what a mudkipz is or think posting goatse is a homophobic hate crime. You never had a chance. All the cool people realized this ages ago and retreated to their very close-knit discords or IRC channels instead of trying to change the broader culture. If you brought all those people together it still wouldn't be even 1% of the culturally devoid normies. We're a dying minority being effectively ethnically cleansed in our own virtual homeland. Death to Israel, death to the Zionet
>>2404287see:
>>2404292the entire internet is all just a bunch of whiny liberal nazis. Here, reddit pol are all basically the same.
>>2404305GO BACK TO REDDIT!!!
GUYS AM I COOL YET!?!?!?
>>2404299this
fuck off you social media addicted 70 autism score fagwads jesus fuck
>>2404370If you whine about blue haired things, the liberals on this website freak out.
Itâs a perfect filter for liberals
>>2404220Nah. It's more than .en are more allowed to express their sexual preferences openly.
Male youth are morally harassed for liking any thing cutesy or submissive
>>2404190>It's funny how guys who never leave their house rate womenIt's funny how men are pathologies for even imaginary flaws
People who never leave their homes rate male attractiveness harshly and they're not criticized
(This website)
>>2404488within 2 weeks
the epstein stuff only EXPLODED recently
>>2404559I wasn't on /pol/. I got that from a hashtag in X.
I don't visit rags sites full of incel people.
>>2404580>scareOne comes from there, one outgrows them. where do you think I got my 2006-2010 memes?
I was part of operation payback, and project chanology, using the low orbit ion cannon.
>>2404588I guarantee you that X has more open brazen leftism, internationalism, and leftist political debate than /pol/
/pol/ was so heavily purged, it became babylonbee at some point.
>>2404621https://news.sky.com/story/inside-the-whites-only-settlement-in-arkansas-the-group-building-a-fortress-for-the-white-race-13399875
>Around 40 people live here and hundreds more, from all around the world, have paid to be members.>Orwoll (Leader of Return to the Land), in his videos, has talked about the coming of a second Hitler, saying he won't arrive unless people "do the work". >Orwoll insists what he is doing is entirely legal, because it is a private club and so exempt from equality legislation. Experts I spoke to doubt that.>But the group has invested tens of thousands of dollars in legal research and believes that it has created a viable framework for many more communities to come - both in the US and worldwide. Three other settlements are under way right now, all part of what Orwoll sees as a "path to power".>Friday evening, and around 20 members of RTTL are sitting outside on the benches in the communal area, eating burgers and drinking warm milk, fresh from the goats kept on the land. >Many of the wider group did not want to be here with journalists; I'm told they include law enforcement officers and federal agents. >While the men labour, the women of RTTL are at work too, looking after the six children who are home schooled here, and preparing the food for tonight's community dinner. The theme is colonial. Niki is 32, Alison 29 and Caitlin is 31 - none of them want their surnames to be included here. >This is vital to RTTL's mission, which aims "to promote strong families with common ancestry". And it has an online fundraiser, to give, quote "cash rewards to parents of newborns as a means to incentivize population growth". Just before we arrived they donated $1,000 to a family for having their sixth child. >For all Orwoll's talk of different cultures or moralities, skin colour is what matters to him. >I'm white. And when I ask whether I would be accepted into RTTL on that basis, Orwoll says I probably would.I point out that I don't know anything about "White American Culture", but that he'd rather have me than say, an American from a mixed heritage background. The problem, he says, is their children.
>"Even if an individual has all the same values that I have, if they have an ethnic identity that other people share and care about, their children will also have that identity and their children might not necessarily have all the same beliefs that they have.">Orwoll believes social media makes his movement "far more possible". >He has a network, a legal framework, and a settlement. "I would like to have more communities so that people in all parts of the US have this as an option if they want. I would also like us to network and branch out internationally." >>2404207>>2404208>>2404666Maybe posting the folder (here) is going too far, but it's very reasonable to be angry.
It's a very depressing backstab; promoting a doxing app that will absolutely promote libel and abuse.
Honestly /pol/ isnt really in the wrong to download the folder and mock the users, to borrow from feminist theory:
there's no such thing as mutual abuse
>>2404702Addition: of course women should feel safe – for example, I feel mixed on the new uber feature, but overall I concede it's positive – but thus wasnt the solution.
We should be critical of policies even if they promote "saftey for women", since that's how you have the Lincoln-Riley act
>>2404758That's absolutely fucking insane. The WORST thing they could have possibly done in that situation.
>"Yeah we sent our goons to keep it quiet, anyway nothing to see here!"MIGAtards are gonna have a fucking coronary.
>>2404757>Iâm flattered that you would compare me with such a disciplined and revered communist revolutionary beloved by his people and hated by fascists and revisionists the world overAnd also a Cambodian ethno-nationalist that was a CIA asset. By the end of his life, he had long since renounced anything related to communism. Telling that the "Read Settlers" crowd admires him.
>>2404769>hip hop AmericanYou just can't stop telling on yourselves, can you?
>>2404768>average price of rent is your entire disability relevant<lol spoiled firstie treatleritewhat is this kind of rhetoric possibly supposed to accomplish. if its bait and youre having fun fair enough but everyone who says this kind of thing and is even halfway serious about it has completely lost the plot
you sound like the hot topic Edgy(TM) version of a middle class liberal telling their kids they better finish their dinner bc kids are starving in africa. i.e. moralist non-sequiter
https://spill.info.gf/index.phpthis is pretty funny
why do white women age so horribly?
>>2404812>MOM THE FUCKING NAZIS ARE BACKThe last thread was so good because we didn't have the third-worldist trolls or the nazi raiders.
>>2404818I know I shouldn't be feeding trolls but I wish you'd take the "Read Settlers" people with you back to /pol/. You have more in common than you realize. You'll get to link up with your fellow ethno-nationalists and we'll have all our enemies on one side,
Wall Street journal let a terrorist group do an oped a day ago
https://archive.is/zL72D link without paywall
>While most of Gaza continues to suffer under the ongoing war between Hamas and Israel, things are very different for thousands living in eastern Rafahâfor us, the war is already over.
>While most of Gaza continues to suffer under the ongoing war between Hamas and Israel, things are very different for thousands living in eastern Rafahâfor us, the war is already over.
>The effect has been tremendous: no more airstrike casualties, no chaotic aid lines, no evacuation orders, and no fear of booby-trapped homes or children being used as human shields by Hamas. While there is still much to improve, people now sleep at night without fear of death.
>Through our efforts, we have shown a glimpse of what a new Gaza could look like. We have already received requests from many families to relocate to eastern Rafah. With proper support, we are ready to take responsibility for the rest of Rafah. Within months, more than 600,000 peopleânearly a third of Gazaâs populationâcould be living outside the cycle of war.>>2404889The RAF is not a model of how to run a successful insurrection, given as they failed. I was using the kidnapping of Hanns Martin Schleyer as an example of the sort of thing a small cadre of commandos can accomplish, even when they are up against literal carloads of armed security.
The problem the RAF had is that the VAST majority of West Germans were willing and enthusiastic collaborators who fully understood that their country was nothing more than the continuation of the third Reich, reformed of it's most self-destructive tendencies, and supported it just as they had supported Adolf Hitler.
The RAF targeted a bunch of literally whos that no one cared about, and therefore could not generate any popular support or sympathy for their cause. Meanwhile, if someone started working their way down the Epstein list, they would find widespread popular support for what they were doing.
>>2404919The average Italian partisan probably had far less education and resources than your average poster here does, so yes. The only thing stopping you is you. You are trying to make a joke, but you end up being right.
I don't know why you always do that.
>>2404913yeah exactly. i am angry at people on this site consistently, more or less in proportion to how mad you should get at anonymous posters online. but i come here because its still a breath of fresh air to at least disagree with people within an even very, very broad consensus.
in a much more important way, the people i am most angry at on a day to day basis, the people who have personally who i can put faces & names to how theyve hurt me & my loved ones, are mostly poor americans. thats what i am & thats who my loved ones are, which is half immigrants from latin america & africa who are from immiserated backgrounds in their own countries & have politics just as confused and contradictory as most other poor americans i have ever known. i have also visited their homes & stayed there and got to know people, and things are by many measures objectively far worse. US empire is directly responsible for most of that in an immediate sense, least degrees of seperation if not ultimate causes. only ever confirmed me in thinking most people in the world by far have more in common with eachother than with their governing capitalists. i dont see the need to attacg any asteriks to workers of the world unite
E.U. Cuts Aid to Ukraine Over Corruption Concerns
The $1.7 billion reduction capped a tough week for President Volodymyr Zelensky as he deals with Ukraineâs governance issues
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/26/world/europe/eu-ukraine-corruption-aid.html>>2405012>What political party will keep me housed?An organization that will actually materially benefit you as a worker? You are thinking of a union not a party.
>>2405011Btw the joke was not that you can easily kill blackshirts but that you can easily become a blackshirt.
>>2405055I know she's just baiting for engagement but she's not entirely wrong for some reason young women have romanticized large age gap relationships since prehistoric times. Back when I was in high school(2005-2008) all the internet girls my age were either openly dating 30 year old dudes or at least pretending to have a 30 y/o boyfriend that lives in Canada.
I think younger Gen Z women made a big show of shaming age gap relationships but…they're probably not really any different behind closed doors. Older men spoil them with gifts and buy them mcdonalds.
>>2405065As someone that has lived in the inner city, I've never heard of cops rescuing someone from a rape. They're usually just there 2-3 hours after the fact to get a statement from the victim. Local burger place I liked got broken into THREE times in a month and the cops were 2 hours late every single time, in the middle of the day, in a busy commercial area.
If you actually unironically literally defunded and eliminated the police in America virtually nothing would change. Hell you'd probably get less traffic accidents by eliminating police chases.
>>2405070A rich man does coke of a hooker's ass in his mansion and isn't prosecuted. A worker smokes a joint on the corner and gets thrown in jail to be used as slave labor. The cops are selective with which laws they enforce. They do not stop robbery or rape.
>>2405067Duh. They aren't really police anymore if they're demilitarized because they serve a military function for the bourgeoisie. I'm talkins about how you sell the idea of getting rid of them to people who don't understand these things yet.
>>2405089>you're a dipshit. let me know how many firefighter gangs you know of.they actually had those in new york in the mid 1800s back when firefighting was privatized and most buildings were still wood (they were also loan sharks and insurance racketeers). this chaotic state of affairs was depicted in gangs of new york (2002). Boss Tweed started out as one of these gangster firefighters.
I suppose if you want to stretch the definition, imprisoned gang members in California are used as firefighting slaves today.
>>2405077Man Loomer's a bitch, but her racism is so fucking visceral too. Like I don't listen to Nick Fuentes, but from what I've seen of him it's either a smirking "Tee-hee, I alluded to the Holocaust" kind of racism or him going full on "Hitler in the bunker" and ranting about how we need a dictatorship. Loomer though? It's like a kind of marathon racism, just full on yelling:
"AND THEY FUCKING STINK!"Also, saying they stink of Shawarma? Shawarma's delicious, the fuck is she bitching about?
>>2405117The alternative is much worse. I think anyone from a bad area who is honest would say that gangs and other criminals are much worse. It's easy to say you don't want police when you live in a community with 0 crime.
What country do you people live in tho? Have you met Americans? If there were no legal repercussions for doing whatever they want?
>>2405142People will steal from whoever they think they can profit from. I'm poor and in a poor neighborhood and people prey on us. One time there was someone going around burgling people's cars. It's easy if you got the tools. Slide the thing in, unlock the door, and check the glove box. It's night. It's dark. Likely it's older cars without alarms. There are no cameras. If you're lucky you can be done and gone in an hour with no one the wiser and hundreds of dollars richer.
And best of all, because they're poor and whatever is taken from them so individually worthless or impossible to track down like cash, the cops don't give the slightest shit about helping them or finding you. Unless you're caught in the act you're basically guaranteed to get off scot free. Easy money.
>>2405113liberal status: scratched
also,
>>>/isg/ >>2405135>His father was in charge of engineers in a uranium mine, where a black workforce from the âhomelandsâ were lorded over by white mangers like the Thiels. Chafkin describes the working conditions of the mine:
>White managers, like the Thiels, had access to a brand-new medical and dental center in Swakopmund and membership in the company country club. Black laborers, including some with families, lived in a dorm in a work-camp near the mine and did not have access to the medical facilities provided to whites. Walking off the job was a criminal offense, and workers who failed to carry their ID card into the mine were routinely thrown in jail for the day.
>Uranium mining is, by nature, risky. A report published after the end of apartheid by the Namibia Support Committee, a pro-independence group, described conditions at the mine in grim terms, including an account of a contract laborer on the construction projectâthe project Klausâs company was helping to overseeâwho said workers had not been told they were building a uranium mine and were thus unaware of the risks of radiation. The only clue had been that white employees would hand out wages from behind glass, seemingly trying to avoid contamination themselves. The report mentioned workers âdying like flies,â in 1976, while the mine was under construction.https://www.unpopularfront.news/p/the-enigma-of-peter-thiel >>2405186It's made the jump to mammals and one of the vectors of transmission that we saw recently was from dairy farmers handling infected cows and cow milk.
https://www.science.org/content/article/us-dairy-farm-worker-infected-as-bird-flu-spreads-to-cows-in-five-states I haven't heard of it infecting goats, but it's burning through damn near everything else, so I doubt they'll be immune.
>>2405153>>2405152They're calling him the man without a name.
>>2405198The older I get, the more I think I understand Boomer music nostalgia. Pretty soon they'll be playing anime OPs in Grocery Stores or something.
>>2405122>>2405117Don't have much to add to this discussion and I'm not gonna pick a side, I'm just gonna say that if you want to abolish the police then you should start trying to form some community defense groups now.
That said I've been to towns that don't have law enforcement. One of them had a murder that happened when some indigenous teens broke into some old lady's house and beat her senseless to seize it for partying. Something like a week or the next day later, someone in the town shot and killed one of the teens.
Just gonna say that without policing, you're also gonna get a world (at least in the short term) where you might end up with minority teens getting murdered over hooliganism. And we can say "well the police kill unarmed minorities all the time" but I think that's a little different from some townsperson waiting late at night and extrajudicially executing someone.
>>2405237Because it's the first explicitly bourgeois nation. Every other liberal democracy emerged from a long, deadly period of class struggle as Capitalism and bourgeois democracy emerged from the iron grip of feudalism. Every other state, therefore, bears the marks of this struggle.
America was founded by the bourgeoisie for the bourgeoisie. There was no period of class struggle, rather it was bourgeois domination from day one, with all the laws written as an explicit way to protect bourgeois interests to the absolute maximum.
>>2405242Pretty based film, btw, and a not unsympathetic depiction of the RAF.
The RAF were many things, but if you read their doctrine, they were right much more than wrong, mostly about our historical duty to resist fascism by any means and at any cost necessary.
>>2405236I mean, my cynicism towards "abolish the police" has always been rooted in the fact that, well, okay, are Socialists gonna volunteer to patrol neighborhoods? Are they gonna go into firefights if need be? Will they show a restraint or sobriety that the police lack?
Y'know there are these stories in the Spanish Civil War of the Anarchists getting eager volunteers excited to fight the Nationalists, and then these guys would spend two days patrolling a front without seeing action, and then they'd go AWOL because they were bored. And reading about the history of policing, I think: yeah, that sounds like a real issue. It used to be back in the day that Teddy Roosevelt earned his reputation in part from patrolling New York by himself, finding cops asleep on the job, and kicking the shit out of them until they woke up and got to work. I'd give it a week, maybe, of inaction before some eager volunteers decide
>"Eeeh, I don't feel like volunteering to stay up from 10pm to 6am. I'm just not gonna show up today."Shit, didn't CHAZ end with some anarchists shooting an unarmed black teen? Point is you'll hear all these insults thrown at you from eager revolutionaries, from people with a passionate hatred of policing, but there needs to be some alternative, or the flipside is that those crimes born not from material pressures but from pure lust and madness (I doubt any amount of poverty relief makes a pedophile less of a pedophile) just continue unabated or punished by the actions of a mob that's just as likely to be wrong as right.
>>2405263The whole thing is, the only alternative is replacing the police, with police by another name. They never address how the new police under a new name will magically not end up with all the same problems as the original police you got rid of. That's kind of anarchism when it comes to everything tho.
Cops are going to abuse their power, authority, trust, etc. to do bad stuff no matter what you call them. Cops are going to respond incorrectly to crimes they intervene in. Cops will not put in the proper effort like you got at.
But changing the name of what the police are doesn't fucking change any of that.
>>2405292I work retail, I can see some people with psychotic selfishness everyday. Catch someone trying to steal someone's purse? Suddenly they're yelling and growling and threatening to stab you, because the real crime is catching them. They're the real victims. They're God's special chosen, able to steal and take whatever they want. We've had women get groped, men get their ass grabbed, I had an older coworker get hit square in the ribs with a shopping cart because "you were in the way". The specter of law can, at the very least, dissuade the absolute worst behavior.
Want us to police things ourselves? I can tell you that wont be good. You have no idea how often service workers would fantasize about being able to commit some obscene ultraviolence on a real asshole scot-free. It wouldn't be justice, far from it, it'd be pure animalistic rage.
So I think going the "community police" route like Chaz just means "police but with even less training". Just giving everyone a gun and saying its the wild west? Well there's people that annihilate entire families because of some retarded entitlement. Unironically, some neighbors a block down were in a one-sided feud with my family, to the point of trying to find some legal way to get us "exiled" from the neighborhood (fat fucking chance) and it escalated to the point where they'd vandalize
their own fucking property then call the cops on us. Thank God, in that case, that the cops immediately said they seemed completely unhinged. But if it was "everyone is their own sheriff"? Yeah, I think one of them might've been unhinged enough to try killing us.
Modern policing needs to be rebuilt from the ground up, and as long as the capitalist mode of production exists, it'll be an awful institution, but I personally see the alternatives presented as either too poorly thought out, or containing too many failure points.
>>2405326>I personally see the alternatives presented as either too poorly thought out, or containing too many failure points.see
>>2405301We don't need an alternative to policing. We just need policing without the corruption. Police, in the idealized form, like the kind you see on TV(outside of police shows lol), that actually behave like public servants, is all it takes. Just remove the culture of chauvinism and corruption and it'll be miles better than what currently exists even without fundamentally changing much.
>>2405348If you trace the history of the police
in the United States specifically, then that description of the history of policing where it evolved from slave catching is accurate
Burgers are special
>>2405359Exactly. That's like the lowest possible bar you could cross to be on the road to organizing with people, is:
>Strike up conversation with stranger.It's really not impossible. People love to talk, everyone is lonely.
>>2405359The trick is to just start a conversation enough that they talk about what they want to talk about and you listen as a first step
Easier said than done I know, but it is the way
>>2405360Fair enough. I could try to talk with coworkers in the group chat or something I suppose.
>>2405361Well I guess I have no other option than to do it. Thank you for the advice though.
>>2405430the trump vaccine, you mean?
MAGA forgot about all that, though
>>2405430>remember the timePosts about it tend to get deleted if you still disagree
>>2405433Boomers going through lead poisoned dementia
>>2405471I think she is just dumb and hasn't connected her opinions with her lived experience
the best argument for feminism is often just asking women to talk about their lives
>>2404933>>2405112>>2405164>>2405228>>2405263>>2405326==PLEASE FUCK OFF, CPUSA "ANON!"
COULD YOU PLEASE STOP POSTING, OR AT LEAST STOP FLAG-POATING YOU MISERABLE FOOL? NOBODY IS INTERESTED IN YOUR BLOGPOST FAGGOTRY.
YOU ARE LITERALLY SHITTING UP ALL THE /BURGERPOL/ THREADS.
PLEASE FUCK OFF AND DIE, HOLY FUCKING SHIT >>2405358The founding father are slaveowning landlords who envisioned a society composed of largely indepent slave barons who united only during exceptional cases. They couldn't even raise taxes during the first years of the US. Literally a capitalist HRE
I get that if youre a nigra from the Hood living with the police genuinely feels like living in 1984, chvds like Nick FuenteSS routinely said that the US need to send the military to the ghettos but low income housing project and prisons already are much more militarized than US holding camps in Iraq
That said this same bureaucratic leviathan that created the police is the same one that allowed the creation of a universal healthcare, public education, and other common services of which common security a.k.a the police are part of. I am in full agreement of abolishing prisons but abolishing cops in effect will just remove any sort of public control of security and replace them with even more unaccountable private security
>>2405236>>2405228Are you two really suggesting that …
the fucking police are what's stopping racial supremacist lynch mobs from coming back?
>>2405532something like this video is also peak rage-bait
its actually a good business model for views
>>2405498You need to close the statement with another â==â to red text.
Also a good portion of the people youâre linking arenât me.
That said, you can always either filter by name or, better yet leave for a website where Felixâs masturbatory fantasies are met with âwow, youâre so coolâ the hundredth time he posts about factories he isnât blowing up.
>>2405566Madam Sweeney is obviouslyy hot and I would love to fuck a woman half as pretty but I feel her deification by chvds is a bit ridiculous to be honest.
As hot as he is, there are literally hundreds/thousands of blonde hotties sexier than her in the USA alone.
>>2405570>Americans are spending money on products made in the third world instead of unhealthy KKKorn SSyrup produced by imperial core land baronsWhy is this bad this is irl wealth redistribution
The problem is not Americans spending on shit but them not spending enough since most of the wealth are hoarded by capitalists and speculators
>>2405570I have a friend who studied in america and is now working there. He is constantly baffled how americans choose to spend their money lmao
Dude is not even a cheapskate. He eats well, has his fun and all. But his friends with significantly higher salaries than him are constantly 'broke' lmao
>>2405570Funko pops are generally a less than billion dollar industry in decline.
I know this is something third worldists fetishize as the ultimate totem of western decadence, but itâs nowhere near âthe vast majorityâ.
>>2405576Inflation makes people do the opposite of spending
Esp when you combine inflation with interest rates hike and GST implemented by bourg states
>>2405579but if your money is depreciating in value faster than commodities, doesn't that incentivize spending?
>>2405583there's a lot of people with money who live like they're poor because they don't wanna get beggars and robbers and then there's a lot of people with no money who are constantly borrowing so they can buy stuff and flex like they have money when they don't
>>2405584>If your money is depreciating wont that incentivize spendingAnon you're literally doing the "sell low" meme
If your money is depreciating you hold it until it gets higher in value. In fact depreciation of dollar lead to people buying even more dollar and holding it as a form of speculation
Sell high buy low anon not the other way around
>>2405606da wyte fah-ma trembals in feeah in front o' ona-ra-bol Malema
SOLDIERS SALOOOOT
AMANDLA! NGAWETHU!
>>2405579Man that's
deflation
>>2405575>something third worldists fetishize as the ultimate totem of western decadence,Reddit:
<i bought a Laura Palmer funko pop but her dead teenage body wasnt wrapped in plastic, so i improvised :) <https://old.reddit.com/r/twinpeaks/comments/1jjhph2/i_got_a_laura_funko_pop_but_she_wasnt_wrapped_in/Twin Peaks is, of course, a story about the Jeffrey Epstein class of settler bourgeois capitalists who sex traffic children like Laura Palmer across borders, who they buy from PMC liberals who are literally possessed by demons that eat human suffering
>>2405677I think I might genuinely be too autistic for collectibles. Iâve never gotten into any of that funko stuff. For a while I thought its popularity could maybe be explained by like, I dunno, some peripheral video game or card game associated with it, but nope. Itâs just a little plastic statuette.
Granted for a while I lived in a pretty unadorned room. Sort of monastic cell-ish. Took me way too long to actually try decorating it.
>>2405263>I mean, my cynicism towards "abolish the police" has always been rooted in the fact that, well, okay, are Socialists gonna volunteer to patrol neighborhoods? Are they gonna go into firefights if need be? Will they show a restraint or sobriety that the police lack?Is it, likeâŚfunctionally impossible for you to comprehend that the main objective of the communists isnât to stabilize the bourgeoisie society?
>Uhhh without le cops how will bourgeois order be maintained, why donât my fellow leftoids considers that?Irrelevant, the main purpose of the cops is to defend property, removing our enemies will further our goal far more than insuring random criminals continue to be apprehended by the state
>>2405326You are a perfect example of where moralism gets you
Defending one of the most dangerous enemies of communists (the police forces) because you adhere to the nonsensical cope narratives meant to uphold the police (le law and order le vast hoard of dangerous criminals all of whom are violent who will run rampant without an anticommunist death squad to stop them) and think the purpose of communism is to âmake life uhhh better for uhhh workersâ rather than the abolish capital so that people can be free
How to stabilize the bourgeois regime isnât our concern, if there arenât cops defending property much of the actual surveillance regime that makes clandestine revolutionary actions effectively impossible will have been torn out, but your happy to see this institution maintained because otherwise le heckin criminals that capitalism naturally generates would âwalk the streetsâ
>>2405714Stop being a dumbass anon he's not saying the concept of policing should be abolished but rather that bourgeois police forces should be destroyed so we can replace them and actively build presence on the ground without the US state cracking down on leftists
I do not think it is feasible in the American context but it is much deeper than just 'all cops are bastards"
>>2405705Itâs like, fundamentally impossible for you to comprehend that the bourgeoisie arenât gonna disband the police just because you ask, isnât it? You think, what, you hold a sign that says âabolish the policeâ and you can just magically trick them into doing it?
But nah, let me guess:
>âThey wonât do it, but weâll get a mass movement demanding the police be abolished!âWill you? Cause if you were annoyed by what I said so much youâre throwing a fucking temper tantrum here, then just wait till you talk to the masses who may legitimately think âbut without the cops, people will all be raping and killing each other!â
See Iâm under the impression that itâs simply what youâd want law enforcement to be
after a socialist revolution, which is still problematic for its own reasons. Youâre trying to position it as a tactic OF revolution, but if youâre trying to abolish the police in bourgeois society youâre either gonna end up with Blackwater Mercenaries with even less oversight replacing them, or at that point the revolution is pretty ongoing and so sloganeering about the police is irrelevant.
>>2405714Start by envisioning an actual communist society and not the reformed bourgeois regime MLoids fantasize about
What the fuck does âorderâ mean? How is it a coherent idea outside of class rule? Do you cunts even ask yourselves questions or do you go entirely by your most degenerate base emotions which is why your idea of communism is usually just the Third Reich with hammers and sickles?
>>2405725Figures that instead of an answer I would just get leftoid postmodernist nonsense arguing that if we just change the meanings of words everyone will live in a happy lala land utopia where we can smoke weed all day. And if a cluster B psycho rapes your wife and skins your children well thatâs just because heâs suffering from systemic oppression, you brought this upon yourself by failing to check your privilege!
I know American âcommunistsâ are all terminally lib brained but even you have to see how ridiculous this is
>>2405724> Itâs like, fundamentally impossible for you to comprehend that the bourgeoisie arenât gonna disband the police just because you ask, isnât it? You think, what, you hold a sign that says âabolish the policeâ and you can just magically trick them into doing it?No shit the bourgeoisie wonât just abolish the police, just like they wonât abolish wage labor, the firm, or the nation; Iâm sure you expect me to uphold those grand pillars too, retarded fuck? You literally pointing out why there is nothing wrong with demanding the abolition of the police. The goal isnât actually to acquire a reform or concession, itâs to get people to understand the fetters in their lives.
> Will you? Cause if you were annoyed by what I said so much youâre throwing a fucking temper tantrum here, then just wait till you talk to the masses who may legitimately think âbut without the cops, people will all be raping and killing each other!âBecause motherfucker, we arenât trying to achieve your grand movement to get DSA á´uá´lossnW or whoever the fuck socdems soyface over elected, but to hold an actual radical line; communism wonât come about because communists convince workers that it needs to happen, you canât voluntarily bring on an epochal shift, only history can set this up and only an entire class of people can achieve it. This isnât an excuse to uphold bourgeois idealism and encourage it to proletarians. But I guess if youâre willing to shill for nationalism and racialism it makes sense why you donât get this. Why you canât comprehend communism isnât workerism. Itâs not about reinforcing every retarded spook the bourgeoisie has shat into the mass consciousness of the proletariat. And honestly? If you genuinely believe the proles are stupid animals that, in no circumstances, could ever comprehend abolishing a civil force that exists to murder and kidnap them based on the standards it chose for itself, at the very least maybe they could get behind stripping such an organization of its roles of surveillance and property defense.
> See Iâm under the impression that itâs simply what youâd want law enforcement to be after a socialist revolution, which is still problematic for its own reasons. Youâre trying to position it as a tactic OF revolution, but if youâre trying to abolish the police in bourgeois society youâre either gonna end up with Blackwater Mercenaries with even less oversight replacing them, or at that point the revolution is pretty ongoing and so sloganeering about the police is irrelevant.Holy shit, it has nothing to do with your fascist fantasies about socialist police brutality, with the ACTUALLY EXISTING POLICE FORCES socialist organizing has been EXTREMELY DIFFICULT IS THE POINT; holy shit, the Black Panthers barely accomplished much more beyond being a national scale org practicing their actual constitutional rights and anarchist tier mutual aid and were still destroyed by an FBI with far less surveillance capabilities and access to urban suppressive technology
You are literally defending the noose on our throats to own protestors you dislike
>>2405728Two questions:
How can you be sure the society you exist in does not predispose people towards violent acts rather than the essentialist position that some people are simply violent and are either evil or cannot control their own actions?
Secondly, why is an organization that exists specifically to be apart from and above the community necessary to deal with such a problem?
>>2405714Who are you defending âorderâ against?
>>2405749BPD women and sociopathic men
It came out in this thread about how homeless people in the US are all sociopathic narcissists its kinda hilarious to read
>>2405747>Who are you defending âorderâ against?Do you not know what a âcounterrevolutionaryâ is or are you just pretending to be retarded?
>>2405750If anarkkkiddies stuck to their principles theyâd be a lot easier to purge, unfortunately they have a tendency to cooperate hand in hand with bourgeois law enforcement
>>2405735> Figures that instead of an answer I would just get leftoid postmodernist nonsense arguing that if we just change the meanings of words everyone will live in a happy lala land utopia where we can smoke weed all day.So Marx was a postmodern utopian now?
Please understand, Marx was not an MLoid, when he spoke about communism itâs pretty clear he didnât mean armed guards forcing wage slaves to break rocks for 16 hour days at the Peopleâs Mine (TM)
MLoids need to stop LARPing as Inner Party members from 1984 and read Marx, genuinely everything they spew about communism more accurately describes Auschwitz
>>2405749Heâs using it as a eugenics term referring to people whose existence justifies mass incarceration and executions
Itâs funny that people who believe in such things never think they themselves and their own family should be shot in their heads and fed to the crows
>>2405754> Do you not know what a âcounterrevolutionaryâ is or are you just pretending to be retarded?Do you not know what communism is? What counterrevolutionaries? George Orwell wasnât depicting communism in 1984, there wonât be an eternal enemy who always needs to die, I am begging you to just go post on /pol/ if you are yet another denizen of this site that cannot differentiate âcommunismâ from Nazi Germany
>>2405750Lmao mfer, please do more to LARP as a bolshevik from 1920, skinny fat pasty suburbanite motherfucker
I bet your own boomer father could beat your bitch ass into the dirt
>>2405747>How can you be sure the society you exist in does not predispose people towards violent acts rather than the essentialist position that some people are simply violent and are either evil or cannot control their own actions?I believe that our society predisposed people to violence and apathy through systemic deprivation, but i believe it will still happen even without that because killing others is a much more of a banal act than a lot of people think. (I'm not a killer btw in case any law enforcement see this). A lot of killing can be as simple as choking people to death with pillows or poisoning them which doesn't cause any overt suffering and thus doesn't risk trauma on the perpetrators. This is why we still need some sort of legal deterrence on murder so people will think twice before killing others because relying solely on conscience or guilt just doesn't cut it in many times
Its like how even in a society where people rarely litters you still need laws against it due to how easy it is to litter
>Secondly, why is an organization that exists specifically to be apart from and above the community necessary to deal with such a problem?Because it has to be impartial. The reason why closed communities often hushed sexual abuses for example is because everybody knows everyone and a lot of people just decide to turn their eyes away rather than risk fracturing the community
>>2405725>>2405731I had a guy attempt to go John Wayne on a solicitor in front of my store, got his face punched in, and came back the next day saying âHE GOT OFF LUCKY, I COULD HAVE KILLED HIM.â
I have zero faith that some âabolish the policeâ shit wouldnât result in lynch mobs. The whole urge to do witch hunts hasnât been banished from the human psyche, and one can point to the cultural revolution in China, despite some people bizarrely seeing it as a good thing, to see socialism where every person is deputized isnât immune from some cynical neighbors using ideology to settle personal feuds.
Problem is none of the âabolish the policeâ crowd want to take a firm position, they never respond to points, and they get angry if you ask questions about how itâd work. Itâs a phrase that theyâre emotionally attached to, one that signifies being a part of the in-group. Not an actual policy or thing they think about. So theyâll needle you with shit to indicate youâre in the out-group or morally deficientââerm, donât you know cops were literally descended from slave catchers? Donât you know they enforce bourgeois society?â
Let me put it like this, some pasty fatass came through my line the other day with a t-shirt depicting a silhouette hanging from a noose. In big letters it said: âA DEAD PEDOPHILE CANT BE A REPEAT OFFENDERâ
Now, does anyone else have a problem with that? For one, weâve had a few years of Q-anon calling everyone but Trump a baby eating pedo. For another, the noose, I mean it seems obvious to me the guy is just sublimating his desire to murder people into some Dexter-like âacceptable targets.â Itâs Sadism trying to masquerade as justice. Finally, thereâs people who are convinced that trans people are just de facto pedos by their existenceâso could it be the fella is just dreaming of beating a trans woman to death? But you say any of that out loud, what do you think youâll hear?
>âHurr, why you defending pedos, huh?â>âYoure awfully worried about what weâd do to pedos, you hiding something?â>âWell unlike you, I think we shouldnât let kids get raped!âItâs the classic motte and Bailey of authoritarianism. And it relies on you being scared of what youâd sound like if you push back on it.
>>2405773Yep this anon gets it
You dont need to be a particularly violent person to commit violence. This isn't essentializing people as inherently violent superpredator thugs or anything, its just acknowledgement that shit do be happening and it'd be ideal if we have the threat of legal punishment so people will at least rethink twice before doing something they might regret , and if you have law you need people to enforce that which any way you cut it is the police
Obv i think the police as it exist today is very hitlerite and authoritarian much like 1984 ironically. The greatest manifestation of George Orwell's dystopia is already present in American prisons; this is an anecdote but a literature teacher i know who taught classes to inmates find the inmates to identify much more stongly with 1984 than Brave New World since low income people in the US are more familiar with the overt brutality of a police state than the consoomerist dystopia of BNW
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