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Political implications of more Americans converting to Catholicism?

The American right was heavily associated with Evangelical idpol for the past 50 years. They became the cultural backbone of the GOP from the 80s to the late 2000s. Now it appears like a huge number of former Evangelicals are converting to Catholicism. I even know some ex-Mormons who are Catholic now.

At the same time, it seems like leftists are embracing Catholicism too. Remember when everyone was convinced Pope Francis was a secret socialist? Jacobin mag goes out of their way with appealing to Catholics as well (every other article of theirs is something along the lines of: “Move over pink-haired bipolar feminist queers, here’s why the Catholic Church are the REAL socialists!”). People like Dorothy Day are propped up even though her actual contributions to the American left were minimal and symbolic at best (the Catholic Worker also referred to the priests killed by /ourguys/ in Catalonia as “martyrs” which is disgusting). Not to mention, the Jacobin crowd seems very big on appealing to right-wing Catholic sentiments like complaining about birthrates being too low and proposing Bernie-style policies like universal healthcare to “fix” it, as if low birthrates are a problem to begin with.

But anyway, if Catholicism becomes a major cultural force in America in the next few years how do you see it affecting the political landscape?
268 posts and 40 image replies omitted.

>>2445373
Right after the Gaza genocide started I remember seeing regular leftists start regurgitating Medieval Christian antisemitic tropes. “The same {{{people}}} who killed Jesus are the same people killing Gazans!” Like WTF?

>>2447667
It's the blood libel nonsense. I guess they missed the part about personal responsibility (cf. Ezekiel 18). Unless they believe in reincarnation it makes no sense.

>>2409326
Is not raising anywhere, in fact is a completely dead religion that be divided between two groups:
1. Boomers who never go to church never read the bible and generally don't give a fuck but just claim to be catholic out of a tradition
2. Terminally online right-wing male zoomers who are actually atheist and just claim to be catholic because muh evropa, muh gothic buildings, muh race and tradition and to generally hate on Muslims, LGBTs and other minorities, is literally all politics to these keyboard crusaders

So cucktholicism is literally a census religion or right-wing idpol depending on who claims it

In contrast evangelicals truly believe in their religion even if it's used for politics

>>2447710
It’s just fucking weird that leftists who should know better would start spewing that kind of shit out.

>>2447716
I always think hate is weird since I don't hate anyone, but internet influencer culture seem to thrive on hate. It's almost like it's contagious in that regard. Hope for a better future is something I remember from the '80s and what I miss the most about the time b4 the internet.

>>2445958
>Guys like Zizek and Badiou have a huge following in America too.
Doesn’t have a huge American following, but I’d add Agamben to the list of Christian chauvinist leftists too.

>>2447667
>>2445373
literally true though

>>2447828
Do you know how offensive that is to the genocidal jews?

>>2447828
The genocide is being carried out in the tradition of herem by a corrupt secular state. The crucifixion of one of their own led to a persecution of his followers but they were divided at Pentecost with Judah eventually being exiled by the Romans. Judah is still in exile since Jews weren't supposed to return, according to their eschatology, until God returned them. Different crimes, different peoples but perhaps the same spirit.

>>2447828
It's one thing to say "Israel is committing genocide."

It's a whole other thing to propagate old school antisemitic tropes because you're angry at Israel.

>>2445373
To be quite honest, I actually envy the Jews. Jews will show compassion and engage in mutual aid with 99.999% of other Jews regardless of the other Jews are religious or pro-Zionist. Meanwhile, devout Christians who are supposed to adhere to a universalist morality are ironically very selective when it comes to who receives their mercy. Devout Christians will be very quick to disown others for being queer, neurodivergent, etc. Why? This isn’t an American thing either, a cousin of mine in Italy was kicked out of his parents’ home after my aunt (who is a strong practicing Catholic) discovered he’s gay. What’s up with that?

>>2449361
Because Jews consider ourselves a tribe held together by collective memory and tradition, whereas Christians care more about internal beliefs with very little material practices to reinforce them. “Saved by grace” and all that idealist nonsense.

Now I'm thinking about all the TradCaths who insist the West needs to go back to absolute monarchy. Good luck reverting a republic into a kingdom.

>>2453916
genuine question but if your gonna troll why use pepes/soyjacks for this audience?. It would make sense on insta,twitter,reddit,tumblr or basically any other social media that isn't an obscure image board made up posters who have been completely desensitized to shit like picrel for years. It would be like trolling /pol/ with BBC porn and chudjaks. lurk more and you'll find out what actually upsets the denizens of this board fairly easily tbqh.

>>2444834
I saw an article not too long ago saying France is seeing sky-high Catholic Church attendance by youth, largely because they want to counter Islam.

FUCKING CHRISTFAGS

>>2446045
Dawkins isn’t abandoning his nasty brand of atheism. It’s just Christian exceptionalism again. “We don’t believe it, but it makes us better than everyone else.”

>>2447807
Habermas is another one. See his letter on Gaza. I think Charles Taylor has unwittingly contributed to this sentiment too although he’s not a Christian chauvinist but try to build bridges between secular humanists and Christians.

>>2447496
>The problem with co-opting faith for political reasons is it creates those who 'suppose religion to be a means of gain'
This is one of the flaws of liberation theology. It more or less opens the door for religion to become a political tool. If you look at Jacobin’s recent articles on religion you will see two disturbing trends:

1. Christianity is unique because it and only it could lay the groundwork for secular socialism, unlike other religions.

2. The left should use religion as a tool the way the far right does. In other words, secular nonbelievers should manipulate the masses with religion. So what we have here is secularists putting religion under their own control and a dishonest paternalistic attitude to the masses.

>>2458927
Plus, I doubt those secularists have enough knowledge of Christian theology to make an actual case for Christian socialism. They love pointing to the Book of Acts, but do they know how the early church actually functioned?

>>2458927
Jacobin will use Catholicism to manipulate Catholics into voting for Berniecrats the same way the GOP used Evangelical Christianity to manipulate Evangeicals into voting for Neocons.

Rinse and repeat.

>>2409326
Candidates from both parties will compete to see who is the better Catholic.

Catholic convert here (Greek/Byzantine rite).

Most Trad”Caths” are trying to paganize Catholicism the way Dugin and his ilk have tried to paganize Russian Orthodoxy. Christ’s Church is not about spreading nationalism, race science, deporting migrants, hating Jews, attacking LGBTQIA people, hyper-masculinity, or replacing modern art with Gothic architecture. It’s fundamentally about the brotherhood of man. Trad”Caths” and Duginite “Russian Orthodox” are simply esoteric fascists wrapped up in Christian clothing. They use Christianity because it gives their satanic pagan views legitimacy and some kind of historicity as they see it. But they are NOT Christians in the slightest.

For example, look at the war in Ukraine. Anyone who knows anything about Catholic Just War theory would know that Ukraine defending itself from Russian invasion is probably the greatest and most blatant modern instance of what constitutes a just war according to the Church. Any “Catholic” who supports Russia in this conflict is undeniably going against Church teaching. Meaning every “Catholic” simping for Russia is not a Catholic at all.

>>2409570
That tweet is retarded. Dorothy Day was a Catholic convert.

>>2462619
>being a socialist
>supporting Ukraine
>ever

>>2462619
>For example, look at the war in Ukraine. Anyone who knows anything about Catholic Just War theory would know that Ukraine defending itself from Russian invasion is probably the greatest and most blatant modern instance of what constitutes a just war according to the Church. Any “Catholic” who supports Russia in this conflict is undeniably going against Church teaching. Meaning every “Catholic” simping for Russia is not a Catholic at all.

I would like to know the rationale behind this. Russia invaded Ukraine because they didn't want a NATO proxy on their doorstep that was actively engaged in apartheid policies against ethnic Russians within its borders. When a snake comes into your house you kill it; you don't let the snake slither around until it reaches your child's bedroom.

>>2463051
>Russia invaded Ukraine because they didn't want a NATO proxy on their doorstep that was actively engaged in apartheid policies against ethnic Russians within its borders.
What the hell is an ethnic Russian anyways and how is this substantially different from Hitler's Germany invading the Sudetenland on account of purported oppression of Germans in Czechoslovakia. The Catholic anon has point – he doesn't believe in this warmongering criminal ethno-race nationalist bullshit. Much of the Ukrainian population speaks Russian, and Zelensky was the leader of a party that got many of its votes in Eastern Ukraine among people who speak Russian as their first language. It doesn't stop the Russian government from bombing them every day.

>>2463057
it would have been like justifying the invasion of poland on the basis that poland was going to join the entente

>>2463057
it didn't stop the ukrainian goverment from shelling them either tbh

>Not to mention, the Jacobin crowd seems very big on appealing to right-wing Catholic sentiments like complaining about birthrates being too low and proposing Bernie-style policies like universal healthcare to “fix” it, as if low birthrates are a problem to begin with.
In that case enjoy extinction, faggot. What's even the point of revolution if you believe humanity should die out anyway?

>>2463094
Why are low birthrates an issue?

>>2463094
Stable population isn't extinction retard.

>>2463051
I’d add to this that the TradCath influencers who support Russia largely do so because they’ve bought into the myth that Putin is “based” and modern Russians are anti-degenerate devout Orthodox. In reality, only 16% of Russians attend church weekly while Russia has one of the highest abortion rates and rates of drug/alcohol addiction in the world. But yeah, Russia exemplifies conservative values because they hate queer people, or something.

>>2463756
>But yeah, Russia exemplifies conservative values because they hate queer people, or something.
But Putin is undeniably a basic bitch conservative.

>>2463826
Doesn’t mean most Russians are conservative.

>>2463826
>>2463829
Literally every Russian i see on social media is begging for a way to leave the country because they either don’t want to die in the war or face the consequences of the war.

>>2464020
Maybe because Russians speaking English and going on Western social medias will be liberals? Same for Iran or all of the 3rd world, there always traitors who will betray everything to be a part of the Western World.
Putin, even if he is a massive cuck, never have been so popular in Russia

>>2464020
>every cuban I've talked to in miami hates castro

>>2457450
That baby at 0:53 looks tasty.

in my experience adult converts to catholicism are just evangelical christo-fascists that like latin and stained glass. we might as well be discussing the political ramifications of ameriklans preferring coke over pepsi.

The overall trend for Christianity, and for religion of any kind has been on a steady decline in the United States and in western society as a whole. I think this trend will probably continue, probably leveling off at some point as religions are forced to adapt to the changing times and evolving cultural morals and values to remain relevant. You can already see this happening with the Catholic Church backing off on its past homophobia and people in the queer community appropriating the Christian faith and removing the homophobic parts and making it their own. That's the secret to religion and why it's such a powerful cultural force that will probably endure forever - because it's bullshit and everyone who practices it is really just making it up as they go along.

>>2464048
>>2464052
Pretty sure most young Russians don't want to die in a pointless, unwinnable war. Same with young Ukrainians.

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Ummmm, why?

>>2463531
>>2463573
People will never stop having kids voluntarily, unless you enforce a Zero Child policy (close to what PRC did), the population isn't stabilizing though.

>>2464506
its called being part of "the club"

>>2464468
There are former atheists converting too.

>>2464506
>daily fail

>>2464937
I mean there are always going to be individuals doing things like that, but all the data shows that religion is on the decline in the United States. Maybe there are a few people who seek it out for community, but there doesn't seem to be much evidence that this will reverse the trend of religious decline.

1/5 of the world’s population is Atheist or something and on a larger scale Catholicism has gotten weaker.
But again it doesn’t really matter, capital has replaced religion in the west and the majority of people can’t even quote a single bible quote yet call themselves hardcore Christians. Look at the israeli flags in some southern churches, for a lot of these people it’s just a way of spirituality validating their white nationalist beliefs

>>2465481
White Nationalism/American Civil Religion is a branch of Christianity, and in particular Calvinist replacement theology. Read Eric Weed's "The Religion of White Supremacy in the United States."

White Nationalists really are religious and really are a kind of Christian, their branch of Christianity is American Civil Religion. It's not so different from Hinduism as a kind of religious racial-caste system. Yes, a progressive and secular American Civil Religion is as laughable as a progressive and secular Catholics, the best we can probably do is to cautiously tolerate it.

>>2465755
Explain the Calvinist shit to me.

Protcucks BTFO


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