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Political implications of more Americans converting to Catholicism?

The American right was heavily associated with Evangelical idpol for the past 50 years. They became the cultural backbone of the GOP from the 80s to the late 2000s. Now it appears like a huge number of former Evangelicals are converting to Catholicism. I even know some ex-Mormons who are Catholic now.

At the same time, it seems like leftists are embracing Catholicism too. Remember when everyone was convinced Pope Francis was a secret socialist? Jacobin mag goes out of their way with appealing to Catholics as well (every other article of theirs is something along the lines of: “Move over pink-haired bipolar feminist queers, here’s why the Catholic Church are the REAL socialists!”). People like Dorothy Day are propped up even though her actual contributions to the American left were minimal and symbolic at best (the Catholic Worker also referred to the priests killed by /ourguys/ in Catalonia as “martyrs” which is disgusting). Not to mention, the Jacobin crowd seems very big on appealing to right-wing Catholic sentiments like complaining about birthrates being too low and proposing Bernie-style policies like universal healthcare to “fix” it, as if low birthrates are a problem to begin with.

But anyway, if Catholicism becomes a major cultural force in America in the next few years how do you see it affecting the political landscape?
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>>2463057
it would have been like justifying the invasion of poland on the basis that poland was going to join the entente

>>2463057
it didn't stop the ukrainian goverment from shelling them either tbh

>Not to mention, the Jacobin crowd seems very big on appealing to right-wing Catholic sentiments like complaining about birthrates being too low and proposing Bernie-style policies like universal healthcare to “fix” it, as if low birthrates are a problem to begin with.
In that case enjoy extinction, faggot. What's even the point of revolution if you believe humanity should die out anyway?

>>2463094
Why are low birthrates an issue?

>>2463051
I’d add to this that the TradCath influencers who support Russia largely do so because they’ve bought into the myth that Putin is “based” and modern Russians are anti-degenerate devout Orthodox. In reality, only 16% of Russians attend church weekly while Russia has one of the highest abortion rates and rates of drug/alcohol addiction in the world. But yeah, Russia exemplifies conservative values because they hate queer people, or something.

>>2463826
Doesn’t mean most Russians are conservative.

>>2463826
>>2463829
Literally every Russian i see on social media is begging for a way to leave the country because they either don’t want to die in the war or face the consequences of the war.

>>2464020
Maybe because Russians speaking English and going on Western social medias will be liberals? Same for Iran or all of the 3rd world, there always traitors who will betray everything to be a part of the Western World.
Putin, even if he is a massive cuck, never have been so popular in Russia

>>2464020
>every cuban I've talked to in miami hates castro

>>2457450
That baby at 0:53 looks tasty.

in my experience adult converts to catholicism are just evangelical christo-fascists that like latin and stained glass. we might as well be discussing the political ramifications of ameriklans preferring coke over pepsi.

The overall trend for Christianity, and for religion of any kind has been on a steady decline in the United States and in western society as a whole. I think this trend will probably continue, probably leveling off at some point as religions are forced to adapt to the changing times and evolving cultural morals and values to remain relevant. You can already see this happening with the Catholic Church backing off on its past homophobia and people in the queer community appropriating the Christian faith and removing the homophobic parts and making it their own. That's the secret to religion and why it's such a powerful cultural force that will probably endure forever - because it's bullshit and everyone who practices it is really just making it up as they go along.

>>2464048
>>2464052
Pretty sure most young Russians don't want to die in a pointless, unwinnable war. Same with young Ukrainians.

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Ummmm, why?

>>2463531
>>2463573
People will never stop having kids voluntarily, unless you enforce a Zero Child policy (close to what PRC did), the population isn't stabilizing though.

>>2464506
its called being part of "the club"

>>2464468
There are former atheists converting too.

>>2464506
>daily fail

>>2464937
I mean there are always going to be individuals doing things like that, but all the data shows that religion is on the decline in the United States. Maybe there are a few people who seek it out for community, but there doesn't seem to be much evidence that this will reverse the trend of religious decline.

1/5 of the world’s population is Atheist or something and on a larger scale Catholicism has gotten weaker.
But again it doesn’t really matter, capital has replaced religion in the west and the majority of people can’t even quote a single bible quote yet call themselves hardcore Christians. Look at the israeli flags in some southern churches, for a lot of these people it’s just a way of spirituality validating their white nationalist beliefs

>>2465481
White Nationalism/American Civil Religion is a branch of Christianity, and in particular Calvinist replacement theology. Read Eric Weed's "The Religion of White Supremacy in the United States."

White Nationalists really are religious and really are a kind of Christian, their branch of Christianity is American Civil Religion. It's not so different from Hinduism as a kind of religious racial-caste system. Yes, a progressive and secular American Civil Religion is as laughable as a progressive and secular Catholics, the best we can probably do is to cautiously tolerate it.

>>2465755
Explain the Calvinist shit to me.

Protcucks BTFO

>>2469146
Good. Never understood the faith alone bullshit.

A lot of people ITT have said that the explosion of converts to Catholicism is about ex-Evangelicals wanting a more intellectual faith. Another way of looking at it is, it’s the result of the left overwhelmingly embracing anti-intellectualism as it has been doing in the past 10 years.

So, for instance, a leftist will say: “Don’t call someone a retard because that’s oppressive!””

Whereas a devout Catholic will say: “Don’t call someone a retard because the intellectually disabled are full and equal people made in the Imago Dei who deserve basic human dignity as taught by the Church.”

See what I mean? The left provides no answers, just abstractions and slogans.

>>2482848
Both of these explanations are question-begging.

More and more Americans converting to Catholicism is the solution to the autism question.

Autistic men should be encouraged to become priests and friars.

Autistic women should be encouraged to become nuns.

This is exactly how it was in the West before the Protestant Reformation.

>>2482848
It seems like a lot of people are burning out of that low brow Evangelicalism that was very popular a decade ago. But there are also secular people who have become interested in Catholicism. Probably because its intellectually more sophisticated and the Catholic Church is a moderating force in social life with a wide variety of factions to align yourself with, although mostly moderate. People are drawn to the ritual and the mystique of it too.

You are probably right that a lot of people (leftists included) find leftist slogans and theories insufficient for life. So they want to embrace religion as a private matter for personal reasons.

Evangelicalism was overwhelmingly a working class and rural poor movement which included the petty bourgeois. Catholicism seems to attract more middle class, intellectual types, so there’s a risk of elitism overriding Catholic social teaching. While in America and Europe, Islam is now more or less the religion of the lumpen proletariat. So there’s a danger that Christianity could be disconnected from the lives of working people. In many ways it’s ceasing to be the force it once was. You can’t imagine someone like MLK leading a mass movement today. The black church has slowly become more and more elitist and less present among the urban poor.

>>2465481
>1/5 of the world’s population is Atheist
Those statistics are flawed. Demographers often see religions as clubs and people as members. If a person doesn’t claim membership, the demographer simply counts them as an atheist or secular, completely forgetting that atheism is also a club and not some empty default state. In many places, religion doesn’t work like this. There are many Chinese who venerate a city god or engage with Buddhist or Taoist ritual, but can’t give you a straight answer on what their religion is. Japanese often participate in Shinto but don’t consider it a religion. So “oh wow no religious affiliation in Japan and China, must mean they are all atheists” is fudged.

>>2482848
>a more intellectual faith.

Catholics are quite literally the dumbest anf most ignorant relitards out there, even compared to other Christards. You sound like you have never had an IRL conversation with a catholic.

>>2484864
>While in America and Europe, Islam is now more or less the religion of the lumpen proletariat.
lmao what?

>>2484874
The Catholic church (also Eastern Orthodox too) as an institution is much more intellectual than burger book burning evangelical mega-churches.

>>2484945
Converting to Catholicism is not the same has joining the Catholic clergy itself. The average Catholic can't even give you the names of the three Holy Kings, let alone give you a definition of transubstantiation or have a theological debate, including those that went to religious school. You don't seem to grasp the huge difference here.

>>2484907
Islam is popular among prison inmates, ethnic minorities, ghetto dwellers, unemployed urban poor, and refugees. That’s a very different demographic from the people converting to Catholicism who seem more educated, middle class.

>>2485035
Largely because a lot of Muslim converts want order in their lives, and Islam provides that sense of order.

>>2485035
Most of those converts are black and most dip out after a few years. Islam doesn’t have a high retention rate when it comes to converts.

>>2485035
Don't muslims only take up about 1% of the population though? How can Islam represent the lumpen proletariat when its followers are a fraction of this class?

>>2485772
He’s talking about Europe or Black ghettoes.

>>2485772
It appeals to members of this class. I’m not saying lumpens are Islamic lol In many places, Islam has become this religion that appeals to people on the bottom of society. Like prison inmates or refugees. Its not even poor people, but people who are minorities or really screwed in some way. You see it in black ghettos in America, but also Latinos, Australian aboriginals, and obviously Palestinians.

If you look at a lot of the Euros and Americans who joined ISIS, they were all lumpens or ex cons or petty criminals, drug dealers, and hookers looking to reinvent themselves.

>>2485352
Hard to say. Salafists burn out the way evangelicals do. I know sometimes guys in prison convert for better food or if they have bad charges and are hated by other inmates.

>>2485972
A lot of autistic and bipolar people convert to Islam as well.

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>>2487342
>A lot of autistic and bipolar people convert to Islam as well.
I think the prophet was definitely autistic.
>“Allah detests it when two people relieve themselves uncovered and have a conversation.”1

>The Prophet ﷺ would take so much care to seclude himself that Al-Mughīrah ibn Shu’bah said, “I was travelling with the Prophet. When he needed to relieve himself, he went far away from me.”2



https://www.virtualmosque.com/ummah/men/standing-and-urinating-in-islam/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CAllah%20detests%20it%20when%20two%20people%20relieve,himself%2C%20he%20went%20far%20away%20from%20me.%E2%80%9D

>>2487361
Most Hadith are fake.

>>2487571
thats why gadafi started his own islam

>>2487342
Bipolar? Nah they usually become schizo pagans. I’ve heard there’s a transhumanist to Shia pipeline which seems like a joke.

>>2409441
good post

>>2409636
Yeah that's like terminally online trad converts. Your average parish isn't like that


Italy is slowly turning back into a Catholic theocracy, so there’s that.

>>2503411
JD vance definately did this. I always said you can never trust an american catholic.

>>2507636
The current pope hates Trump and Vance.

>>2464937
Keep dreaming, christcuck.


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