Political implications of more Americans converting to Catholicism?
The American right was heavily associated with Evangelical idpol for the past 50 years. They became the cultural backbone of the GOP from the 80s to the late 2000s. Now it appears like a huge number of former Evangelicals are converting to Catholicism. I even know some ex-Mormons who are Catholic now.
At the same time, it seems like leftists are embracing Catholicism too. Remember when everyone was convinced Pope Francis was a secret socialist? Jacobin mag goes out of their way with appealing to Catholics as well (every other article of theirs is something along the lines of: “Move over pink-haired bipolar feminist queers, here’s why the Catholic Church are the REAL socialists!”). People like Dorothy Day are propped up even though her actual contributions to the American left were minimal and symbolic at best (the Catholic Worker also referred to the priests killed by /ourguys/ in Catalonia as “martyrs” which is disgusting). Not to mention, the Jacobin crowd seems very big on appealing to right-wing Catholic sentiments like complaining about birthrates being too low and proposing Bernie-style policies like universal healthcare to “fix” it, as if low birthrates are a problem to begin with.
But anyway, if Catholicism becomes a major cultural force in America in the next few years how do you see it affecting the political landscape?
107 posts and 19 image replies omitted.>>2409786And what exactly are the main issues Catholics and Evangelicals join forces on? Oh I don't know, abortion bans, maybe? Birth control bans? Attacks on LGBTQ rights? Attacks on feminism? These aren't things that span across most Christian doctrines regardless of sect?
>or an agenda that is in open defiance to the papacy like those concerning migration.There are plenty of European Catholics who oppose migration too, you know? It's not an "American Evangelical" thing at all.
>>2409793His entire argument is that Catholicism in America is only right-wing because it's been infiltrated or influenced by Evangelical Protestantism, which isn't true. Catholicism in the US was always right-wing, anti-feminist, and very very very anti-Marxist.
>>2409795>why is the anti-human element of catholicism in the US significantly higher compared to catholics in almost every other place on earth?I don't believe it is. Ex-Archbishop Vigano who was extremely right-wing and he's Italian. Cardinal Sara (also very right-wing) is from Guinea. It's not hard to find Catholic priests and bishops in other countries who hate migrants, believe women should shut up and obey men, praise fascism, you get the idea.
>>2409929>Every single "leftyCath" I know buys into the pacifism and "consistent life ethic" thing whereby they're anti-abortion, anti-death penalty, anti-gun, and anti-warAnd those same Dorothy Day-style "Lefty Caths" were the ones behind the original anti-abortion movement. Evangelicals didn't become anti-abortion until the early 80s with Reagan and the Moral Majority. Meanwhile, Catholics were always anti-choice and made the anti-choice movement a thing to begin with.
>>2409929Quakerism is just New Age Buddhism for Christians. The same literal idealist retardation just with Jesus.
Paradoxically, Catholicism is more materialist.
>>2410027>Because they're Evolian traditionalist chuds.American Catholics read Evola? Please.
>They take Catholic aesthetics overtop of a Calvinist settler-colonialism. What? Catholicism is the most settler-colonial of every world religion. Why does that element only (allegedly) exist in the US and not in LatAm where white Latinos still very much hold a racist/colonial worldview?
>>2410034There are plenty of born-Catholics who are also right-wing.
>>2409326>Now it appears like a huge number of former Evangelicals are converting to Catholicism. I even know some ex-Mormons who are Catholic now.Eeeeesh, I don't know if most of these people are ex-Evangelicals. Evangelical Christianity largely stresses an individualistic "personal relationship with God" over doctrine, dogma, or tradition. It's a very anti-intellectual religion - "the Holy Spirit speaks to me" is all they care about. Catholicism, on the other day, has a very intellectual tradition. A lot of Catholic school kids learn philosophy as a part of the curriculum. Catholicism is heavily rooted in all the things Evangelicals don't like.
So in essence, I would say that even if we assume what you're arguing is true, the real reason for the turn to Catholicism has more to do with Protestants wanting to be more intellectual about their faith.
>>2411384They look at Dorothy Day and the Catholic Worker movement and think: "SEE! Catholicism IS leftism!"
That, and they really want to believe Pope Francis and the current pope are/were crypto-socialists. Also, they think Liberation Theology is the "true" Church teaching even though the Vatican has condemned it several times.
>>2409567>>2409610>>2409615Evangelicals don't spend hours a day indulging in the writings of Augustine or Aquinas, or the writings of the Church fathers.
What drives someone to become Catholic is very different than what drives someone to become a born-again Evangelical. Most born-again Evangelicals are people who had a ton of trauma in their lives and get sucked into Evangelical churches on the basis of "feel-goodism". People convert to Catholicism because they like the intellectual and historical aspect to it, the fact the Catholic Church has an actual foundation in history rather than being the product of some white guy's "revelation" he had while walking through rural America 200 years ago. Most American Protestant denominations are products of the Second Great Awakening meaning they're Americans who LARP as the original church all while claiming the actual original church (Catholicism and Orthodoxy) hasn't been true to Christianity since the 6th century.
>>2411969retarded post
most protestant denominations stretch back centuries before Amerikkka was even founded
>>2411973So they're 450 years old instead of 200 years old, got it.
You don't find it a bit strange how nearly all Protestant denominations began in Europe or America? Where are all the Palestinian, Lebanese, Egyptian, Ethiopian, Iraqi/Chaldean, and Armenian Protestants?
>>2411996Is that a reason to believe Protestantism is legitimate?
>>2411999What makes you think this?
>>2409326all this catholicism obsession with secular americans comes from protestants being completely fucking annoying, and these secular humanist bleeding heart liberal types feel uncomfortable harboring a hatred for a whole religion so they latch onto catholics as "the good christians" for not being frothing at the mouth fox news watchers for the most part, in order to soothe their own conscience
and online rightoids want to become catholic because they've looked at too many ai gen crusader images that looked cool
>>2409379he said GOP not trump you illiterate
>reddit reddit redditthis is just epic chanlord vice signalling people use to shut down conversation
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