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>>2414744
Welcome back Mr. Khruschev

>>2414748
Unlike him I am not hostile to China

MTG realizes that the Trump brand is collapsing and is trying to carve a political niche for herself
Same with Nick

>>2414754
It probably won’t work because there’s at least 30% of Trump voters who are explicitly Trump only, they will never support another politician

America - Tin Man

>Sometimes late

>when things are real
>and people share the gift of gab
>between themselves

>Some are quick to take the bait

>and catch the perfect prize
>that waits among the shelves

>>2414759
Yeah but those people are usually aging boomers who won't last until 2030
Politicians need to look for a long term strategic endgame. And by long term i mean "becoming a geriatric senator". You cannot do that if your voting bank consist of Trump diehards, you need to craft a movement for yourself

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>>2414764
I don’t think American politics is capable of that anymore, at least not for lifelong career politicians, it’s gonna have to be more celebrities.

>>2414754
Well, MTG is a woman, so she won't have a bright future seeking the future hitlerite vote.

>>2414781
Why not? Georgia Meloni got to be head of state

>>2414764
>implying there will be elections ever again

>>2414791
The military isn’t ready to do that

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I have never seen Nick more mad about anything ever. This is responding to Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson insulting him

>>2414796
Wrong thread. Post this pointless shit over there instead: https://leftypol.org/leftypol/res/2005272.html

>>2414801
Become a mod.

>>2414766
She is selling it already? What a waste of money…

>>2414784
yeah Jeanine Anez and Georgia Meloni prove that this is the century of girl fascism

>>2414725
it would be pretty easy with the founding fathers. "the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants" just sounds revolutionary

>>2414814
losing limbs to an ied will do that

>>2414764
the future is 3rd party I hate to say

>>2414828
See that’s an unworkable option, because while the smart thing would be to try and frame socialism in terms Americans are familiar with: make appeals to freedom, harken back to the war of independence and the war against slavery, bring up useful quotes from the founders. You’ll still get a segment of the left that will not just refuse to participate in that, but will loudly and actively try to sabotage such a project.

Take that line you used about the tree of liberty, that’s Jefferson, right? “Well he’s just a slaver and Indian killer” is the response you’d get. They would actively attempt to split the party and destroy it from the inside than use a quote by any of the founders. Shit, I once mentioned I liked the idea of using Lincoln as a broadly progressive figure and was told I shouldn’t even like him cause “he did nothing to stop the colonization” or whatever. The supreme irony of course is this is an entirely academic position. I don’t think most Natives or Black people in the U.S. hate Lincoln to the degree segments of the Left does. And the grand irony, at least as it appears to most normal people, is that seemingly the same people who’ll declare Lincoln or Washington to be repulsive and irredeemable for their flaws will go on about Stalin and Mao’s virtues, despite those two being seen as bloody tyrants here.

It gives the appearance of hypocrisy; like someone saying you should hate Frank Sinatra for his mob ties while also saying P Diddy was a talented musician that the industry could learn a lot from.

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>>2414766
Well I guess it wasn't really free after all.

>>2414856
Do you expect to build a popular movement that doesn't piss off one group of people or another? good luck, it can't be done

>>2414861
Nah, making enemies is part of that. Problem is that we aren’t making a popular movement, we’re making a niche one that abhors attempts to grow more popular.

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That's bullshit, right?

>>2414864
To your point, purity leftists are the biggest inward issue we have today. they take everything interesting about communism and turn it into a dogmatic one-size-fits-all ideological framework when the whole point of Marxism was how its tailored differently to each country according to their historical conditions. Socialism with american characteristics should incorporate american mythology and adapt it to suit our needs, to hell with finding 'pure' and 'perfect' peoples in history, they don't exist

honkoid status?

>>2414856
> Lincoln as a broadly progressive figure and was told I shouldn’t even like him cause “he did nothing to stop the colonization” or whatever
It's fun to point out to those people that the Union was an imperialist power that invaded a separate nation and then committed colonialism on the Confederates. The Confederates met the standards of nationhood as a historically constituted, stable community of people, formed on the basis of a common language, territory, economic life, and psychological make-up manifested in a common culture. Yet when it comes to the War of Northern Aggression every radlib in existence who can't keep quiet about anything suddenly shuts up about how bad imperialism and colonialism supposedly are…

>>2414875
Enraged, delusional, and panicked

>>2414871
The Rothschilds thing? No, they stood to lose a lot more if the Union collapsed. but its true GB+France+Spain wanted to recognize and intervene on behalf of the south

>>2414874
There isn't one "american mythology". The unintended consequence of your reasoning taken to its logial outcome is that anti-nationalism is part of american mythology right now. And anarchism. So yeah I agree, the left should incorporate that.

>>2414874
>the whole point of Marxism was how its tailored differently to each country
No, you just read Stalin's ramblings.

>>2414871
charles wilkes booth was a freemason, so theres that
in fact, the pope of masonry, albert pike, was a general in the confederacy and named his own cult "the golden circle" after a slave trading ring. the civil war broke ties with the creepy european old world and progressed humanity. marx even wanted to fight for the union and wrote in a preface for das kapital that the civil war is a rallying cry to the working class (as opposed to the war of independence).

>>2414887
Anarchism certainly, but not anti-nationalism. Yes its a contradiction
>>2414888
Stalin never uttered a single lie so

Why is socialism?

>>2414893
it just do

>>2414796
>I AM the incel!

>>2414871
>1 word subittles
>AI slop with zoom blur
>chunka chunka hans zimmer noise
i want to go back to when people were able to learn things without this

>>2414871
good maybe you leftards will finally have an open mind to listen to the hundreds and thousands of jarheads over the past century who allege they encounter these American NHI black programs during their service. they have no reason to lie and our institutions have every reason to keep you as ignorant on the MJ12 conspiracy as you insist to stay. don't be a pseudo intellectual redditor. just because the whistleblowers don't pull out an ET or piece of UFO from their pocket doesn't mean this is a fake bluebean psyop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhrH0KzKft4

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>>2414871
Why are rightoids always only obsessed with the banker jew conspiracy aspect of capitalism and never go beyond that to the mode of production itself?

>>2414899
>implying that leftists are pro-rothschild
truly, bakunin reincarnate

>>2414901
because they think capitalism only went wrong in the year 1913 and it was perfect before then

>>2414874
>vaguely hand waving about purity leftists (yes they exist) but not being specific enough so that the actual people who know what they are talking about and read their theory and know when/how to apply it are lumped in with the "dogmatists"
>Deliberately conflating imperialist national chauvinism called "nationalism" with anti-colonial liberation movements called "nationalism"
>accusing people who are suspicious of national socialism as being overly dogmatic
hmmmmmmmmmm

>>2414899
bro every time UFO/ET shit has been wheeled out in the past 20 years it has been to deliberately distract from class struggle. Annunaki are gonna get heckin revealed any second now. Just 10 more Naruto runs into Area 51.

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>>2414882
you had to get on the tor node to post this trash

>>2414901
because they want to seem more smarter than the marxists, instead of reading or something

>>2414908
I said nothing about nationalism. My point was the socialist superstructure varies in composition from country to country which molds itself to fit around the conditions of the base. You can see the same thing happen with democracy and fascism

>>2414882
> Lincoln as a broadly progressive figure
<who had slave teeth and hanged dogs >:(

>>2414918
that was washington. this joke wasn't funny the first 5 times you told it

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>>2414917
yes however socialism with american characteristics has a very strong chance to just be another instance of national socialism, an appropriation of socialism as a term for reactionary ends, something Marx and Engels were able to anticipate as early as the 1840s.

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>>2414921
I'm not sure the point you're trying to make here. That there's danger associated with building socialism and that we need to be careful so as to not introduce reform? Well yeah, that's why its called a socialist experiment

>>2414922
Why is the lolberterian depicted as a chad?

>>2414930
Because he doesn't deny or deflect. He's proud of his pedo tendencies

>>2414917
>NOOOO WHY ISNT MY UBERIMPERIALIST COUNTRY ORGANICALLY DEVELOPING A PROGRESSIVE NATIONALISM
unironically at some point you just have to let the thing play out. the US a nation of collective hot-stove-touchers and they don't recognize how hot the stove is yet.

>>2414909
what does "class struggle" mean to you? the public getting off the phones for a day to make a couple protest signs and rally outside the fence of the private corporations in control of our power grids, food supply, and arms manufacturers?

why would the reality of Non-Human Intelligence, reverse engineered technology for potentially anti-gravity/infinite energy/celestial WMD, and its implications for known history/war/economy/consciousness be a distraction from "class struggle"?

i'm not a fascist, i'm a third worldist but i am ashamed to call myself leftist when not one of you is taking this IMMACULATE CONSTELLATION conspiracy seriously and dismiss it without reason.

>>2414937
>i'm not a fascist, i'm a third worldist but i am ashamed to call myself leftist
you are a fascist

>>2414935
America is getting progressively nationalist as it turns away from israel. democratic mainstays like Obama staffers are calling for the death of AIPAC and dual nationality in congress. five years ago that would be inconceivable

>>2414937
aliens arent real, dork. its a literal psyop.

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>>2414937
you people will believe anything

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>>2414796
>Be Fuentes
>be mixed race supremacist based on supposedly superior ethnic background
<But it's also garbage men and people who killed themselves
The right really can't pick a lane and stick with it, can they?

>>2414944
I will?

>>2414856
>Lincoln did nothing to stop the colonization
<Lincoln: tried to dispose of his slaves to Africa after their value was used up
<Hitler: tried to send Jews to Israel/Poland etc
<Zionists: continued this bourgeois recuperation trend by trying to send Palestinians away for their middle class to stop eating itself
Socialists: "I have no idea why everyone keeps calling me a 'satanic NWO globalist'! My liberal ideals are actually very based if you ignore historical materialism
>this is an entirely academic position
"I'm a man of the people" - the most insufferable fart sniffing losers you ever saw
>the grand irony is same people will go on about Stalin and Mao’s virtues
thing noticing liberal NPC smugly refuses understand bourgeois dictatorship

>>2414882
> committed colonialism on the Confederates.
woke neoliberals: "Chinese authoritarianism is OPPRESSING the pedophile slavers in Tibet! You have no right to judge their culture, you need to be a soulless new age hippie degenerate like David Lynch"

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>Inside the Crisis at the Anti-Defamation League

>For decades, the ADL argued that anti-Zionism could lead to antisemitism, but recently, the group had adopted the position Greenblatt more or less aired on Fox: that opposition to the Jewish state was the same thing as antisemitism, full stop. That tens of thousands of Jews were active in the pro-Palestine movement was not just put aside — it was taken as evidence that they were antisemites, too.

https://archive.ph/Gw3C9

>>2414796
>7 minutes
bye

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>>2414874
The way I see it, dogmatic purity is a tried and true method of COINTELPRO that doesn’t get talked about enough. I don’t the FBI or CIA earnestly give a fuck about the theoretical differences between Trotskyists and Stalinists or whatever; the idea that having “the correct line” would make these guys quake in their boots is laughable. The only line that matters to them is whether you oppose Capital and the Bourgeois state; that’s it. They’ve happily adopted purity leftists (“ad-hoc committee for a Marxist Leninist Party”) in rhetoric at least for the sake of causing splits. They don’t have any issue invoking the idealized images of Stalin and Mao (and they are idealized on the Left) to wreck. It’s just the purists that refuse to do the inverse.

And the thing is, the purists are ideologically committed to punching left. This ain’t a matter of “you do your thing and I’ll do mine” they will stalk you and try to defame you whatever chance you get. So you may think you’re doing good work and growing by invoking classic American myth—they’ll try to tell everyone who listens that you’re a Klansman, and they won’t stop until they can destroy whatever group you make.

>>2414964
I agree, however I see these issues with socialist movements everywhere. the feds certainly know and take advantage of it but its not like its a problem exclusive to us

The flesh is weak, become stove

It’s really hard to do this thing where you demand people don’t purity spiral when most of Marx’s writings were scathing critiques of people who also called themselves socialists. This is baked in.

>>2414964
See >>2414987
You don’t need feds to wreck the movement, just people that want to follow in Marx’s example

Marx never lived in a time where his ideas were put into practice. Marx taught us a lot, but Marxism is simply incomplete without including all the lessons learned from socialist experiments since he died. what the purity leftists don't understand is that perfect is the enemy of good, and doing something is always better than doing nothing

>>2414921
Well I mean that just comes down to the stagnant and embourgeoisied class character of the imperial core. Fundamentally, the issue is resolved through proletarianizing the petty-bourgeoisie. And the way we proletarianize the petty-bourgeosie is through industrialization and developing the productive forces. So in the case of the periphery they fight wars of national liberation to industrialize. But in the imperial core we have to take on different tactics to industrialize. It seems to me that communists must start with developing the internal colonies of the imperial core. I am not sure of Communist praxis towards fighting to develop/industrialize oppressed peoples before national liberation.

>>2414991
re-industrializing america, if even possible, wouldn't do jack squat for the socialist movement just as it wasn't doing anything before America started offshoring production in the 90s

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Switzerland is calling the trump tariffs their biggest defeat since 1515
>“The problem is the Swiss believe we have to make reasonable and honest offers. We are not good at international power politics,” said one person close to the discussions. “There was uneasiness at making large pledges like other countries have that are not realistic. It was a painful lesson.”
https://archive.ph/H9k9P

>>2414964
There are plenty of real American revolutionaries to appeal to. There is no need to draw from bourgeois mythology. Reference the great American labor organisers like Joe Hill, Eugene Debs and so on.

- https://youtu.be/gaXHUI6Gl1Q
- https://youtu.be/SHKjOl9ocR0
- https://youtu.be/jso1YRQnpCI
- https://youtu.be/Q2OivplOBq8
- https://youtu.be/uRU_ruqnR6Q

You guys still have this idea that if we bring manufacturing back it will look like the history books where you have hundreds of men working on the shop floor at once, all feeling just as exploited all at once, then going to the same bar and neighborhood all close to each other, in short the revolutionary proletariat of Marx’s time. I work in a modern factory, they’re so automated that they have less than 20 workers and they have the same level of physical and mental separation from each other as office workers in their cubicles do. That’s what reshoring will look like, you get a factory that maybe nets a dozen people an “okay” job filled with ossified and propagandized boomers and apolitical stoners.

>>2414937
Because it allows people to push all the problems of society to a secret malicious cabal instead of the contradictions within capitalism, moron.

>>2415000
https://youtu.be/SrRak5-tCr8

Like I don't know there is an incredible history of American labor and civil rights struggle. If you want to appeal to American history listen to the bards and put up real working class American heroes and labor organizers (same thing) like Leslie Feinberg for example if you want to deign to talk to the queers.

>>2414990
Okay liberal

>>2415004
Or hell, even reference the Lincoln Battalion fighting the fascists in Spain. Just don't do this bullshit single-minded bourgeois mythologising of Lincoln.
https://youtu.be/vnzwXVpZGrA

Which side are you on you stupid fuck?
https://youtu.be/VzvH5UZVQU8

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>>2415000
The issue is revolutionary socialism needs broad support from the citizenry through cultural hegemony *first*. As much as I'd like a socialist movement based on Joe Hill or Eugene Debs nobody knows who they are or what they did, and if you have to explain it to people that's a losing battle. John Brown could have some success with figures like Jefferson as its someone I actually learned about in school

>>2414981
Oh for sure, though I think the fed hand is overstated a lot of the time. Personally I blame homegrown stupidity mostly.

Take this guy for example: >>2414918

Is he a fed? Probably not. But beyond confusing Washington for Lincoln he’s revealing a hollowness in the supposedly ideologically “pure” Marxists in that he doesn’t fucking understand what “progressive” means in a Marxist context. I know I sound like a broken record at this point, that’s solely because Marxism—say it with me—has become a religion to some of these people in the west. It’s not a tool for analysis of soci-economic reality, it’s a moral system with a proscription for people yourself supposed to “like” and people you’re supposed to hate. “Progressive” is transformed into “good” and “reactionary” becomes “bad.”

The fact is Lincoln was historically progressive. Hell, there’s an argument to be made that manifest destiny as a whole was historically progressive—it was the process of primitive accumulation by extirpating Natives from their traditional way of life and imposing Capitalism on them. Hell, if you read some of the shit the Founders were discussing internally, you’d almost get the impression they had a better understanding of dialectical materialism than most so-called “Marxists” today; one aspect of Jefferson’s thought on colonization was land-use. His attitudes towards natives were openly paternalistic, sure (he literally called them “my children” in some letters IIRC) but his argument was that the whole hunter gatherer form of society used land inefficiently, that by imposing western agricultural practices on them, you could expropriate the land for further use by white settlers to economically develop it while confining natives to a smaller portion of land that he (idealistically, mind you) believed would still meet their needs.

But again, Marxism has morphed into a religion. They see the plight of the Natives in romantic, not materialistic terms (a real American trait going back to our country’s founding, funny enough). So where Engels boasted about the conquest of California by the U.S. and the disappearance of “reactionary peoples”, modern Marxists see the historical development of Capitalism in the terms of an Original Sin we have to atone for. And in a twist of fate, Marxism in turn is reconfigured into a primitivist ideology. Marx himself was surrounded by Socialists who wanted to “turn back the clock” on capitalism, who saw the industrial proletariat as this hideous thing that needed to be dismantled; Marx saw the only way out as through.

And so we’re chained by the ghosts of the past and unable to progress to future forms of society because we’ve got people who unironically want to turn back the clock. It’d be like confining the British Communist movement to the constantly relitigating the conflict with the Diggers/Levelers. We can’t end the exploitation machine, apparently, until we undo the actions of hundreds of years ago and humiliate the thrice removed “beneficiaries” of Capitalism’s bloody birth.

>>2415002
oh my god, you absolute fucking morons all of you "leftists" make me mald more than the fascists and imbecile chuds who dominate the UAP subject. it's not a secret cabal, we have dozens of jarhead whistleblowers testifying under oath there's a handful of pentagon and private military contractor elites covering up this IMMACULATE CONSTELLATION deepstate conspiracy preventing and assassinating them from accounting for the trillions of taxpayer money being funneled to the pentagon. do not one of you understand how the very likely reality of the existence of Non-Human Intelligence, the nature of human consciousness, and possible reverse engineered technologies are INTEGRATED to the means of production and all of known human history? please fucking kill me, raptor jesus, i cannot fathom how western "leftists" are so arrogant to believe they're any smarter fascsists when they're so far ahead of us on this issue

>>2415010
Piss off. There's plenty of history to appeal to without fellating the state.
https://youtu.be/nkpk0-0cfVU

>>2415014
> how the very likely reality of the existence of Non-Human Intelligence, the nature of human consciousness, and possible reverse engineered technologies are INTEGRATED to the means of production and all of known human history?

Even if true, who cares if the MoP and all of known human history is still acting out predictably?

>>2414995
Not talking about fetishising factories. I mean strategic industrialization of housing, domestic labor and other areas related to women's oppression. Whatever forms of industry emerge do not have to be traditional forms of industry.

>>2415018
Maybe if we're lucky the ayy lmaos will help us along the way to communism

>>2415010
>Everyone is COINTELPRO except for me :(
Oh please, the feds would be doing shit like >>2415014 or the anti-woke whining that people like you are always on about. The meta has clearly changed since 2016 and they are probably adapting with the times.

>>2415019
> housing
What? Construction is already a huge industry
> domestic labor
People can and do hire cleaning crews and maids, i fail to see how either of those are not already industrial

>>2415009
That's what the music is for. You think that working class history was well known back in the day? The people were pig ignorant bigoted fucks. The union songs are where it begins with winning the Gramscian cultural front.

https://youtu.be/R8eK9ZXf-Ow

>>2415021
>Feds historically pose as Anarchists and Maoists doing “more pure than you” shit
<“Actually, saying we need to appeal to MORE people and meet them where they’re at is fed cause… cause it is!”

>>2415023
Not talking about housing construction, I'm talking about property management. The vast majority of people live in privately owned housing. Urban sprawl (which is simply imperial core deindustrialization of property management) is a cancer on the labor movement draining wealth away from the inner-city proletariat and towards petty-bourgeois small homeowners who drive vsst distances to and from work because they'd rather be property owners than work.

>>2415025
COINTELPRO explicitly stated that feds would always try to dilute the mission and goals of leftists orgs and parties so yea, people like you will try to muddy the waters on the type of people we would need to activate for revolution/reform/whatever.

The fact that ACP and Hinkle is fixated on MAGA/rural whites is a weathervane of how the glowly shit will be moving for the next few years

>>2415025
Wasn't there some FBI report from a while back on how they actually had extreme difficulty infiltrating anarchist groups due to the complex social dynamics they had to navigate and trying to rationalize them constantly got them outed as infiltrators? I know it was something to do with a combination of that and not actually reading their own theory so being too well read on anarchism gave you away as a fed. Funny shit

>>2415031
IIRC the anarchists were too well read that infiltrating was hard and doing agent provocateur shit was harder coz the anarchists don't do much of that.

>>2415009
What are you blabbering about
>>2414874
>>2415010
>>2414964
>>2415014
>>2414874
>>2414987
>>2415014
>>2414874
Purity is a liberal dirty word used by dirty liberals who failed to meet the minimum for being a decent human being, and now want to bitch and moan about how asking for them to stop committing to a genocide is far too much. The word purity does not belong in anti-revisionist and anti-opportunist discourse.
>Actually, saying we need to appeal to MORE people and meet them where they’re at is fed cause… cause it is!
<press X to doubt
The same old excuse as per usual

>>2415010
Lincoln was definitely progressive. But manifest destiny? Marx and Engels were always opposed to it, despite that famous quote about taking california from mexico which Engels says was sarcastic in letters to Marx

Engels in the New York Daily Tribune:
>"The war against Mexico was a war of conquest, a war to extend the area of slavery."
and In The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State, Engels says:
>"The expulsion and extermination of the tribes from their native soil went hand in hand with the theft of their lands by the ‘civilized’ intruders."

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The numbers understander has logged on

>>2415029
It's not hard to appeal to genuine American labor history without digging up and sodomizing Lincoln's corpse. The reality is that the fascists do the bare minimum.
https://youtu.be/SMRO2H53NqM

>>2415018
did you already memory hole the NJ drones at the end of last year? the Podesta-Clinton emails discussing disclosure? the insane 2023 David Grusch congressional hearing? the US space force choosing Huntsville AL, notoriously a center of gravity in the MJ12 conspiracy, as its headquarters? the Trump BBB giving LHM more than half a trillion to construct a "GOLDEN DOME"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glw76YKuWCY

we are far from being so arrogant to assert our American global empire is behaving in a predictable manner when the American electorate has voted Trump president nearly three fucking times in a row. if you call yourself a leftist and do not comprehend how the alleged reverse engineered technologies the MIC have at their disposal are directly related to the means of production, just unalive yourself now because you are obviously not mentally mature to handle what we have good reason to suspect is coming in the very, very near future considering our western hegemony elite couldn't care less Trump is speedrunning the mask off democracy and capitalism

>>2415029
Okay so to you, the mission and goal of leftists is to be the annoying guy at thanksgiving saying “you’re celebrating a genocide!”

It occurs to me that you think ideas literally move history. That’s the only real way to explain this. The data is in that even among minority groups there’s broadly some pride for America, but rather than using that or rhetorically invoking the founding fathers or constitution, no matter how cynically, you’re terrified that that’ll somehow create in the real world some capitalistic forms of exploitation, because again you think ideas are the driver of history and that invoking “bad ideas” will have negative repercussions in the real world.

We’ve had, what, 40 years of the new Left doing its “fuck Amerikkka” shtick, and in that time have they made any progress at all? Have they grown or plateaued? Your ideas have been hegemonic on the left for decades now, and despite us having plenty of opportunities to galvanize class struggle, you’ve been dabbed on by DemSocs and Fascists.

>>2415024
it's a good first step, but the next thing we need to do is what the Soviets did and adapt it for our needs in the modern era. just the song itself isn't enough

>>2415038
People, especially the proletariat, don't fucking care about these minute details at all.

The big problem with CPUSAnon's approach is that rationalizing or using historical figures to convince people to be leftists is silly if you aren't trying to tailor mate to your audience. White people like CPUSAnon love Lincoln but not other races but haggling about how progressive Lincoln is is silly and quite patronizing. Just use other historical figures should tailor to their sensibilities. Harriet for blacks. Mother Jones for feminists. Keller for disability rights people etc etc.

Unless the universal figure we should champion is an american or explicitly socialist like Debs, Reed or Sinclair, this topic is just a way for CPUSAnon to shadowbox people he is seething at on twitter.

>>2415028
I hate to say it anon but this is just reform

>>2415045
You are as whiny and bad faith as the radlibs you bitch about constantly.

>>2415049
People know when they're being pandered to. for this reason we need to be emphasizing Keller not for her disabilities but because she was a socialist herself

>>2415050
This is like saying unions are reformist. I have a q concrete purpose of proletarianizing the petty-bourgeoisie here.

>>2415053
>People know when they're being pandered to
Not really, people love to be pandered to. Advertising companies has that shit down to a science.

But that is tangent to my main point. If people don't like Lincoln for XYZ, then don't double down and accuse them of being "the annoying guy at thanksgiving saying “you’re celebrating a genocide!”". Just figure out who is your target audience and re-calibrate. You should never use historical figures you personally like to convince others, but the historical figures they like.

>>2415054
>unions are reformist
well.. about that…

I've been trying to tell you all that "C"PUSAnon is a literal national socialist for months now and none of you believe it until now. The fact that it is telling you to idolize slave owning aristocratic bourgeoisie is not it's own idea, this is the ideology of it's "Communist" party, which has been the primary impediment towards the left making any progress in America.

You should all just listen to what I say rather than trying to doubt me. There are no Communists in the "C"PUSA.

America MUST be destroyed. Strasserites MUST be shot.

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The kings are fighting

>>2415059
Yeah fuck off, the evolutionary struggle cannot be divorced from the revolutionary struggle.

https://youtu.be/5BjddZvN7N4

>>2415045
>the mission and goal of leftists is to be the annoying guy at thanksgiving saying “you’re celebrating a genocide!”
Stiff mind you have there. Your imagination could use some more work.
>The data is in that even among minority groups there’s broadly some pride for America
Yeah, some pride. But those prideful are being slowly replaced by their much less prideful descendants.

>but rather than using that or rhetorically

Using that would be regressive, especially when we already have a youth in our side that rejects such invocations
>because again you think ideas are the driver of history
No one has stated this
>We’ve had, what, 40 years of the new Left doing its “fuck Amerikkka” shtick, and in that time have they made any progress at all?
Confidence in the government is at its lowest. People are rejecting the two parties and openly declaring their hatred towards the upper class for the atrocities they have committed under the capitalist system. I’d say it’s been a massive success.
>Your ideas have been hegemonic on the left for decades now
And they will only continue to strengthen in their reach.

>and despite us having plenty of opportunities to galvanize class struggle, you’ve been dabbed on by DemSocs and Fascists.


The only thing those two groups of liberals dabbed on is themselves. Demsocs had the ball, then flubbed it and opened the way for communists. And the overt fascists (liberals) have already completely lobotomized themselves in 2016, and now they’re about to fall off a cliff thinking they can fly.

Despite what the naysayers and the pessimists spout about them, the communists are doing better than ever, even in these dreadful times.

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>>2415058
>people love to be pandered to
yeah they do, but they also realize its pandering. we're not trying to sell a product or an identity here my guy, we're asking for these people to give us resources and safety in a revolutionary guerilla war. Honesty with our intentions, only with the citizenry, should be valued above all else. It's not convincing to come up to a disabled dude and say "hey we speak highly of Keller because she's disabled, and since you're disabled, can we borrow some help?" as opposed to "hey we like Keller because she's one of us, and you like keller because she's one of you, can we borrow some help?"

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>>2415064
Not saying Unions can't be revolutionary, but lets not pretend they can't also be coopted. Teamsters boss on the left

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>>2415073
If the goal is to build an army (and it is if you’re a communist) then neither approach works because we shouldn’t be catering to cripples and invalids who will only slow us down and won’t offer anything useful. Communism in the west has already been heavily handicapped by catering to literal drooling retards and cluster B’s out of a misplaced sense of “compassion”, why do we need to invoke some disabled liberals too?

>>2415071
The burning is coming

>>2415071
Really why bother upholding "America" when the vast majority of us dont even benefit from it? I'm 28 and I've already accepted the fact that at most I'm going to be able to rent a small apartment that maybe has enough room for myself and my girlfriend even with a full time job, and shit's only getting progressively more and more expensive.

>>2415073
>It's not convincing to come up to a disabled dude and say "hey we speak highly of Keller because she's disabled, and since you're disabled, can we borrow some help?" as opposed to "hey we like Keller because she's one of us, and you like keller because she's one of you, can we borrow some help?"

Nobody said who should do that but okay, as long as you feel better of yourself for having corrected someone.

>>2415060
https://youtu.be/LYC6XJz1klI

The trouble is that Cointelpro breeds paranoia and cultishness which is acid to any mass movement.

Ultimately though, the imperial core can only afford such a massive intelligence apparatus because of imperial super-profits. So IMO fighting Cointelpro means fighting state-monopoly capital, re-industrializing the imperial core and proletarianizing the petty-bourgeoisie and the reserve pool of labor.

I don't know how to organize this kind of struggle though. But IMO it's all tied up with artificial scarcity. The surplus oranges burnt to keep the prices up are not separate from the killing of surplus workers.

This doesn't mean bring back factories to the imperial core. But we do need a strategy. Not sure how to do it.

>>2415061
Lol. It's just 1 Nazi telling another he's down with the jews. He wants to be on the winning side.

>>2415085
How is Nick Fuentes a Nazi when he’s openly opposed to the Nazi government in Ukraine and the Zionazi butchering of the Middle East?

>>2415086
>material conditions aren't that important
Material conditions are the most important. Without them, you would not even have the ideological level.

>>2415086
> material conditions aren't that important
India already has the Naxals and a bunch of social fascists in red paint.

>>2415088
Kkk and nazis didn’t like each other, but that didn’t mean they weren’t both pieces of shit.

>>2415088
You can be a Nazi and also have protectionist instincts sometimes.

>>2415089
Pretending? There's nothing pretend about Zionist fascism, actual retard.

>>2415079
Not trying to build an army with these people. The point of catering to the broad citizenry is to use them for concealment and supply of the already radicalized army just as Mao used the peasants. A staggering amount of useful information the police uses to solves crime isn't from surveillance or investigation but instead given to them from random 'good-intentioned people' on the street. Prime example of that is Luigi

>>2415085
Yarvin has Jewish lineage

>>2415079
>>2415100
There are no communist militaries by the way. Warrior/soldier castes will be eliminated by the armed proletariat

>>2415102
>>2415103
>Palantir doesnt exist
>Jews cant be fascist too
You people are scaring me more than normal. I'm not sure what's happening here all of a sudden.

>>2415086
a certain ideological level is important you're right, but I see its relationship with the material conditions the same way I see the relationship between base and superstructure, where the base takes priority

>>2415100
Then you’re not a communist. Trying to engage in “mass appeal” to a population who is violently opposed to communism and the loss of their treats is actual wrecker behavior and if you suggested this in a serious communist party you would be shot for it. Holy fuck this board gets more and more retarded with every passing day

>>2415088
Try again

>>2415111
A revolutionary communist movement that is armed cannot win the fight against the bourgeoise without broad support from the masses. Sorry!

>>2415113
>he thinks communism is about “the masses”
RETARD ALERT
RETARD ALERT

>>2415116
I’m sorry. I thought the right would like an armed society with no government, or is that bullshit too?

>>2415106
The Thiel back jewish subversion of the dissident right by the likes of Yarvin and Bronze Age Pervert was done to turn it into a pro Israel (or less anti Israel) movement. Nick was just too determined to be stopped.

>>2415117
Communism is actually when the people hate you and the more people hate you the communister it is

>>2415124
winning is bourgeois

>>2415068
>Yeah, some pride. But those prideful are being slowly replaced by their much less prideful descendants.

That’s wishcasting. Yes there’s a lowered pride, in no small part because of the generalized cynicism of born from neoliberalism. You’re hoping that this glacial trend will become the majority such that you won’t have to make any changes to your approach.

>Using that would be regressive, especially when we already have a youth in our side that rejects such invocations


Except you don’t have that. Not even close. Yeah 41% say they have pride in their country; yet “I don’t have pride in America” doesn’t mean “I’m a communist” as it can easily shift to just plain old fascism. “I don’t have pride in my country cause it’s run by Jews” or whatever.

>Confidence in the government is at its lowest. People are rejecting the two parties and openly declaring their hatred towards the upper class for the atrocities they have committed under the capitalist system. I’d say it’s been a massive success.


No offense but this seems like conjuring fantasies here. Yes more than ever they’re rejecting the big two parties; but as it stands there hasn’t been any viable vehicle on the left to take that discontent—it’s not dissimilar to Italy, all that discontent and no leadership just means fascism takes over. While the phrase “Fascism is Capitalism in Decay” is undoubtedly more popular, it can also be thought of as emerging when Socialism passes its expiration date: no revolutionary left capable of leading in the midst of a crisis, people flock to a “leader” who promises to rescue the country.

>And they will only continue to strengthen in their reach.


Yeah mold tends to fester on expired fruit.

>The only thing those two groups of liberals dabbed on is themselves. Demsocs had the ball, then flubbed it and opened the way for communists. And the overt fascists (liberals) have already completely lobotomized themselves in 2016, and now they’re about to fall off a cliff thinking they can fly.


As it stands with shit like Zohran it seems blatantly obvious that the DSA and DemSocs seem to be growing, don’t see Communists achieving even remotely similar gains. Again, this is just coming across as fantasizing; this imaginary world where people are broadly rejecting the DSA for being “Rosa killers” or whatever and becoming communists. Meanwhile all I can see of Fascism is it’s steady, creeping growth; yeah the “altright” are social outcasts that are going nowhere, but shit like AfD or National Front seem like palpable threats.

Seriously, if you’re saying fascism isn’t on the rise because the alt right ate shit in 2016, then radical socialism seems to presently occupy a space mirroring theirs, it’s not this vitalized ideology going from victory to victory.

Every single ameriKKKan pig must be executed. Parasites in life, their bodies will serve as mulch to feed the people

>>2415029
Fake news. The acp is not racist. You are the racists lile cpusa anon and gay nazi, the biggest detractors of acp tend to be most liberal and racist

>>2415137
I have been banned various times for posting statements by ACP here lol.

>Jeremy Ben-Ami, President of J Street: "I cannot and will not argue any more against those using the term [genocide]. I simply won’t defend the indefensible."

<J Street is a nonprofit liberal Zionist advocacy and lobby group based in the United States whose aims include strengthening Jewish democracy in Israel, promoting a diplomatic end to the Israeli–Palestinian conflict with a two-state solution, and opposing the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement.

>>2415124
Unironically the dominant “strategy” if it can be called that is the left hoping it can win through sheer inertia. The smugness is just unreal; it’s imagining that you can force people into a position if their back is to the wall as though they even know who you are or that they’ll see you as the only one who can save them. It’s like a guy who decides to sell life jackets, but says he ain’t gonna advertise because “well a ship is bound to sink eventually, climate change will cause flooding, people will be asking for life jackets then!”

We’re gonna end up with another “first them, then us!” Fiasco. Though I see people stupidly argue “well they were right because communists ran east Germany after Nazis lost the war!”

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>>2415049
>The big problem with CPUSAnon's approach is that rationalizing or using historical figures to convince people to be leftists is silly if you aren't trying to tailor mate to your audience. White people like CPUSAnon love Lincoln but not other races but haggling about how progressive Lincoln is is silly and quite patronizing.

Lincoln’s popularity among modern Americans is 80%. Behind him is JFK, then George Washington at 70%.

See this kind of harkens back to Communists being broadly detached from the masses. Lincoln is broadly beloved by the vast majority of Americans, and yet because Communism segregates itself to insular communities, we’re acting like Natives and Black people dislike him en masse. I mean you can talk about me shadowboxing people on Twitter (I don’t browse it and the takes I’ve pushed against are more or less dominant on here and in leftist orgs I’ve spent time in) but this is more like cheering for a sports team that doesn’t exist. “Black people and Natives that hate Lincoln” aren’t a demographically significant group. One gets the impression it is because discourse on the Left is pulled by the gravity of the academy, not the masses.

>>2415128
>wishcasting
That’s a reality check. For you.
>Yes there’s a lowered pride
A much lowered pride that is continuing to drop
>in no small part because of the generalized cynicism of born from neoliberalism
Not just neoliberalism. Liberalism as a whole. The capitalist system as a whole.
>You’re hoping
I’m knowing
>that this glacial trend will become the majority
It already is
> Except you don’t have that. Not even close. Yeah 41% say they have pride in their country
Those polls always run conservative
>yet “I don’t have pride in America” doesn’t mean “I’m a communist”
It doesn’t necessarily mean, but it probably does.
>as it can easily shift to just plain old fascism
There is nothing that indicates that whatsoever. Quite the opposite in fact.
>I don’t have pride in my country cause it’s run by Jews” or whatever.
You quoted the words of a dying breed. I don’t know why or have you’ve deluded yourself into thinking these people have regained their previous popularity, but it’s honestly concerning.
>No offense but this seems like conjuring fantasies here.
Curious statement from someone who thinks fascists are the new hot shit.
>Yes more than ever they’re rejecting the big two parties; but as it stands there hasn’t been any viable vehicle on the left to take that discontent
The Proletariat are the vehicle
>it’s not dissimilar to Italy, all that discontent and no leadership just means fascism takes over
Fascism has been the United States bread and butter for years, and is a very different beast to Italy.
>While the phrase “Fascism is Capitalism in Decay” is undoubtedly more popular
And will soon be replaced with “fascism is just liberalism with a different name”
>it can also be thought of as emerging when Socialism passes its expiration date
What a nonsensical statement. An expiration date for socialism? What is this ridiculousness you spew at me?
>no revolutionary left capable of leading in the midst of a crisis, people flock to a “leader” who promises to rescue the country.
No one is flocking to a “leader”, and I dare you to point at one.
>Yeah mold tends to fester on expired fruit.
And I suppose the fruit is supposed to be “social democracy” or “democratic socialism”? Hilarious.
>As it stands with shit like Zohran it seems blatantly obvious that the DSA and DemSocs seem to be growing
Not for long. The proletariat who are convinced will recoil from them and their inevitable betrayal soon enough.
>don’t see Communists achieving even remotely similar gains
That’s because you don’t pay attention to anything other than performances.
>rejecting the DSA for being “Rosa killers”
Silly thought, and a demonstration of your ignorance for what the communists actually say. The communists say that the proletariat are disillusioned because they aren’t getting results from the DSA, and they see that the system shows itself to be and more dysfunctional and corrupted every day. The only thing the DSA offers is a stab in the back, and they are realizing this in full. They are shifting away from putting down votes, and are now taking up arms instead.
>Meanwhile all I can see of Fascism is it’s steady, creeping growth
You see growth, I see a death grip. They aren’t growing, they’re gathering for a final stand against the world.
>Seriously, if you’re saying fascism isn’t on the rise because the alt right ate shit in 2016
It not on the rise, it is panicked and its bunkering down. You think they’re trying to censor down the internet for no reason? They are scared. They are very scared. They are shit in 2016 in the same way a dying cult has only it’s fanatics left.
>then radical socialism seems1 to presently occupy a space mirroring theirs
Another nonsensical statement.
>>2415157
>Lincoln’s popularity among modern Americans is 80%. Behind him is JFK, then George Washington at 70%.
Very questionable

>>2415144
J street is more liberal than the ADL types.

>>2415068
>Despite what the naysayers and the pessimists spout about them, the communists are doing better than ever, even in these dreadful times.

Really? Where is the communist movement in America right now?

>>2415176
>Really? Where is the communist movement in America right now?
Not on television.

>>2415178
Okay well could you give me an actual answer or what?

>>2415179
What do you that statement implies? They’re hidden away, in the ruined and raped lands of the people. They hide amongst the working class, in the crap, in the ruins, in the decay, in the shadows. They lie in the isolated ghettos and entrapping suburbs, in the shoeboxes of bastardized city centers, in the drained rural towns and trailer parks, in the basements and attics as wasted progeny, and on the ever more dangerous and unwelcoming streets. That is where the movement is. That is where they will arise in full.

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So apparently Blood Tribe tried to organize a rally in New Hampshire yesterday. "Tried to" being the key term here because they ran off after some guy snuck up on their formation from behind and beat the shit out of one of them. Look at these fucking dorks though, one of them even has a press vest. For a self described "end of the pipeline" type group they're sure not very good at the whole actual street battles

>>2415168
>points to no trend and just insists he’s winning
Well, good luck in the camps I guess.

>>2415147
>schlonged
I don't think that racist woman is into black men.

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>>2415194
Which will win the civil war? The reds or the purples?

>>2415195
>points to no trend
The drop in patriotism
The dropping of two party membership
The abysmal approval ratings
The entire Epstein situation and it’s persistent spread
The general disapproval of ICE
The increased hatred of Israel
The increased disapproval of so called “centrists”
The general acknowledgement of climate change that runs counter to fascist narratives
Increased acab support
>Well, good luck in the camps I guess.
Those already exist, but I’m not surprised of your ignorance

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>>2415208
Yeah. Why do "we must adapt socialism to country" guys only take reactionaries into consideration and not popular leftist trends?

>>2415200
Racist white women def fuck black guys, just not the Obama type.

>>2415206
>>2415194
I love how everyone on leftypol who can hardly organize a book club, think that somehow when SHTF, all of a sudden a mass ML-Maoist-Leftcom-Occalanist-Trotskyist vanguard will somehow form and overthrow both the government, but also all competing rebel factions.

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>>2415206
The color purple will be taken by the reds, and will become the purples and reds. All Zionists get booted back to blue and white.

>>2415217
She dated Dinesh D'Souza

>>2415222
Also Laura ingraham adopted 3 Guatemalan kids

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>>2415224
And Laura Ingraham also dated D'Souza. Fox blondes can't resist the BIC.

>>2415228
It's so over for whitebois

>>2415061
is yarvin becoming a xitter celebrity? i don't recall ever seeing xeets from him before last month

>>2415231
He's starting to post a decent amount but the Mexican MOGS him

>>2415244
>plastic straws
>say you want your straws back
what on earth is he blathering about? Farcical society.

>>2415244
>America First
<Christ is King
what was that verse about not being able to serve two masters
>666K followers
lol


>>2415244
>>2415231
I forgot that this dude was "moldbug." I still don't know who that it but it vaguely rings a bell now I've heard some of the /ISG/ Thiel-schizo type posters drop that name over the years. Otherwise I don't think I heard the name Yarvin since last year.

The Exercise of Hobbit Power | Curtis Yarvin

God I hate the Gen X nerds.

>>2415244
Nick Fuentes is mostly in ideological agreement with "C"PUSAnon and it's grotesque Zionist party.

A top aide to President Donald Trump on Sunday accused India of effectively financing Russia's war in Ukraine by purchasing oil from Moscow, after the U.S. leader escalated pressure on New Delhi to stop buying Russian oil.
"What he (Trump) said very clearly is that it is not acceptable for India to continue financing this war by purchasing the oil from Russia," said Stephen Miller, deputy chief of staff at the White House and one of Trump's most influential aides.

Miller's criticism was some of the strongest yet by the Trump administration about one of the United States' major partners in the Indo-Pacific.
"People will be shocked to learn that India is basically tied with China in purchasing Russian oil. That's an astonishing fact," Miller said on Fox News' "Sunday Morning Futures."

https://www.reuters.com/world/india/top-trump-aide-accuses-india-financing-russias-war-ukraine-2025-08-03/

>>2415176
the west is a lost cause. give up on communism. your own family/friends/coworkers haven't woken up and by the time they do, we'll be neck deep into WW3 and full God Emperor Trump martial law to enforce the draft throughout the west. the only hope for humanity is China and its allies. the best we could do is sacrifice ourselves to gum up the cogs in the machine. move on.

the next frontier is NHI and reverse engineered weapons of celestial destruction. if you're a leftist without the part in your brain numbed by cornsyrup to be open minded to the existence of NHI and its ongoing interactions with humans, you should have the curiosity to look into the greatest American conspiracy of all time with an ounce of good faith before you dismiss it as a "psyop" or "distraction" before you even learn what the evidence is, not just oral testimony, piling up for more than a century.

https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-retrieved-non-human-craft/

the patents for exotic propulsion and consciousness technologies are already trickling out. this is not a fucking joke. it's real and you have your heads in the sand.

Lina Khan the former chair of the FTC made a somewhat pro mamdani article a few days ago. She's a very different type of person for these jobs than usual she has a populist streak to and cracking down on mega corps so she likes that message of mamdani

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lina_Khan

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/29/opinion/lina-khan-mamdani-democrats-small-business.html

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>>2415244
>elect a monarch
>monarch
>elect
>to make democracy stronger
This guy is either trolling or actually retarded. Like, his brain doesn't work

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leftypol (and this is mostly a byproduct of imageboards in general) is full of incredibly out of touch doomsday prophets who have trouble maintaining friend/family relationships which is why you see the rapid oscillation between "your original sin is being born here and you are an irredeemable treatlerite who must build an army out of a population that hates you somehow because the JDPON is not coming to rescue you" and "give up on communism and do nothing and just wait for nuclear hellfire and JDPON occupation"

meanwhile you listen to what CPC members say and they say the usual sane thing: Americans class conscious proles should be educating, agitating, and organizing for proletarian revolution based on the conditions of their country.

>>2415275
Well yeah. That helmet must've screwed his brain up

>>2415278
sadly puritanical marxists find their time is better spent calling other marxists retards online

>>2415278
literally no one says that

>>2415215
It’s kind of how Q folks think; there’ll be a great awakening where their estranged kids and grandkids say “Oh we’re sorry we ever doubted you pop-pop! You were right! Let’s watch Obama get executed on Live TV while healing our ailments in our medbeds!!!”

>>2415284
you don't lurk this thread if you think that. I would point to several examples from the previous thread but the mods have already removed them

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cucked

>>2415275
Yarvin is a literal monarchist. He's not trolling he's also very good friends with JD Vance and Peter thiel. Here are some articles of interviews with him as media got an infatuation with him this year and investigating him. He wants techno feudalism led by venture capitalist in the silicon valley

>Yarvin and his ideas were noted as having growing ideological influence in the American Right, including among prominent figures such as Vice President JD Vance, and venture capitalist and Republican megadonor Peter Thiel.[2][8][9]


https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/30/politics/curtis-yarvin-wants-to-replace-american-democracy-with-a-form-of-monarchy-led-by-a-ceo

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2025/06/09/curtis-yarvin-profile

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/06/arts/yarvin-allen-debate-harvard.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/21/curtis-yarvin-trump

>>2415287
you're just a little fragile. you exaggerate accurate assessments of USA conditions and potential and yourself spiral into hopelessness over them and resent those who point them out. instead of grappling with them and determining what should be done given the reality

>>2415289
Yarvin has influenced some prominent Silicon Valley investors and Republican politicians. Political strategist Steve Bannon has read and admired his work.[20] Vice President JD Vance "has cited Yarvin as an influence himself".[21][22][8] Michael Anton, the State Department Director of Policy Planning during Trump's second presidency, has also discussed Yarvin's ideas.[2] In January 2025, Yarvin attended a Trump inaugural gala in Washington; Politico reported he was "an informal guest of honor" due to his "outsize[d] influence over the Trumpian right".[23]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Yarvin

>>2415275
not a fan of yarvin but it does have historical precedent. it's not some shit he just made up
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elective_monarchy#Historical_examples

Reminder that you're going to have to cooperate with the broader "revolutionary left" if you want a chance at overthrowing the government and establishing communism. Engaging in purity spiraling and purges between Marxists and Anarchists when we've already got concentration camps set up and laws that will allow secret police to scoop you up for being "mentally ill" helps nobody. Get along, etc

>>2415290
>accusations of fragility
>there are no apocalyptic doomposters, only accurate scientific assessments
if you think I was complaining about the accurate assessments. Give me what you think constitutes an accurate assessment and I'll tell you whether I agree, to what extent I agree, etc.

>>2415290
Well when people are constantly trying to shame others for doing anything other than posting online because they're not "doing it right" why are you surprised that some of us are just frustrated with it all?

>>2415291
why specifically do so many powerful people care about his ideas instead of any other random loser schizo? what sets him apart

>>2415299
because they agree with him. he speaks to their preconceived biases and puts them in words they themselves may not have been capable of writing.

>>2415128
>As it stands with shit like Zohran it seems blatantly obvious that the DSA and DemSocs seem to be growing, don’t see Communists achieving even remotely similar gains.
WHen I see American politicians effectively tap into American traditions, it's less historical figures but deep-rooted ideology which Americans vibe with. MLK's "dream" and Mamdani tapping into the "dream" language appropriates the "American Dream" without explicitly saying that. Also the country is an immigrant melting pot (New York City especially) and there's an interesting way this appeals to these immigrants who came to the United States in the first place.

>>2415194
>"Tried to" being the key term here because they ran off after some guy snuck up on their formation from behind and beat the shit out of one of them.
Is there video of this?

>>2415206
>Which will win the civil war? The reds or the purples?

>>2415294
Ehhhh if you ask me, collaborating with the people is way more important than the broader radical left. Hell part of my critique is the left is far removed from the people; the academic terms and weird internecine struggles are both a symptom and a negative feedback loop of that.

It’s sort of like the term “LatinX”, actual Hispanic people just think it’s gringo horseshit and they’re right, it’s stupid, it speaks to no majority of people, however there are circles where “LatinX” is part of the lingua franca—and God help you if you use the phrase “Latino”

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HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN BURGERBROS??
In the place were the future latam coup operators are trained!!!!1!
https://archive.is/xDR4U
https://archive.is/xDR4U
https://archive.is/xDR4U
<Fort Bragg Has a Lot of Secrets. It’s Its Own Little Cartel’

>Yarvin believes that real political power in the United States is held by something he calls "the Cathedral", an informal amalgam of universities and the mainstream press, which collude to sway public opinion.[44] According to him, a so-called "Brahmin" social class (in reference to the Brahmin class of India's caste system and the American Boston Brahmins) dominates American society, preaching progressive values to the masses. The socio-religious analogy originates from Yarvin's opinion that the progressive ideology of the Cathedral is delivered to and internalized by the general populace much in the same way religious authorities and institutions deliver religious dogma to fanatical worshippers. Yarvin and the Dark Enlightenment or Neo-reactionary movement (sometimes abbreviated to "NRx") assert that the Cathedral's commitment to equality and justice erodes social order.[45] He advocates an American "monarch" dissolving elite academic institutions and media outlets within the first few months of their reign.[22]

>Drawing on computer metaphors, Yarvin contends that society needs a "hard reset" or a "rebooting", not a series of gradual political reforms.[46] Instead of activism, he advocates passivism, claiming that progressivism would fail without right-wing opposition.[47] According to him, NRx adherents should design "new architectures of exit" rather than engage in ineffective political activism.[48]


>Yarvin argues for a "neo-cameralist" philosophy based on Frederick the Great of Prussia's cameralism.[7] In Yarvin's view, democratic governments are inefficient and wasteful and should be replaced with sovereign joint-stock corporations whose "shareholders" (large owners) elect an executive with total power, but who must serve at their pleasure.[46] The executive, unencumbered by liberal-democratic procedures, could rule efficiently much like a CEO-monarch.[46] Yarvin admires Chinese leader Deng Xiaoping for his pragmatic and market-oriented authoritarianism, and the city-state of Singapore as an example of a successful authoritarian regime. He sees the United States as soft on crime, dominated by economic and democratic delusions.[45]


>Yarvin supports authoritarianism on right-libertarian grounds, claiming that the division of political sovereignty expands the scope of the state, whereas strong governments with clear hierarchies remain minimal and narrowly focused.[45] According to scholar Joshua Tait, "Moldbug imagines a radical libertarian utopia with maximum freedom in all things except politics."[49] He has favored same-sex marriage, freedom of religion, and private use of drugs, and has written against race- or gender-based discriminatory laws, although, according to Tait, "he self-consciously proposed private welfare and prison reforms that resembled slavery".[46] Tait describes Yarvin's writing as contradictory, saying:[31]


>He advocates hierarchy, yet deeply resents cultural elites. His political vision is futuristic and libertarian, yet expressed in the language of monarchy and reaction. He is irreligious and socially liberal on many issues but angrily anti-progressive. He presents himself as a thinker searching for truth but admits to lying to his readers, saturating his arguments with jokes and irony. These tensions indicate broader fissures among the online Right.


>Under his Moldbug pseudonym, Yarvin gave a talk about "rebooting" the American government at the 2012 BIL Conference. He used it to advocate the acronym "RAGE", which he defined as "Retire All Government Employees". He described what he felt were flaws in the accepted "World War II mythology", alluding to the idea that Adolf Hitler's invasions were acts of self-defense. He argued these discrepancies were pushed by America's "ruling communists", who invented political correctness as an "extremely elaborate mechanism for persecuting racists and fascists".[50] "If Americans want to change their government," he said, "they're going to have to get over their dictator phobia."[51]


>In the inaugural article published on Unqualified Reservations in 2007, entitled "A formalist manifesto", Yarvin called his concept of aligning property rights with political power "formalism", that is, the formal recognition of realities of the existing power, which should eventually be replaced in his view by a new ideology that rejects progressive doctrines transmitted by the Cathedral.[49][52] Yarvin's first use of the term "neoreactionary" to describe his project occurred in 2008.[53][54] His ideas have also been described by Dylan Matthews of Vox as "neo-monarchist".[15]


>Yarvin suggested in a January 2025 New York Times interview that there was historical precedent to support his reasoning, asserting that in his first inaugural address Franklin Delano Roosevelt "essentially says, Hey, Congress, give me absolute power, or I'll take it anyway. So did FDR actually take that level of power? Yeah, he did." The interviewer, David Marchese, remarked that "Yarvin relies on what those sympathetic to his views might see as a helpful serving of historical references — and what others see as a highly distorting mix of gross oversimplification, cherry-picking and personal interpretation presented as fact."[1]


>Yarvin has alleged that whites have higher autism scores than blacks for genetic reasons. He has been described as a modern-day supporter of slavery, a description he disputes.[73][18] He has claimed that some races are more suited to slavery than others.[18] In a post that linked approvingly to Steve Sailer and Jared Taylor, he wrote: "It should be obvious that, although I am not a white nationalist, I am not exactly allergic to the stuff."[7][74] In 2009, he wrote that since American civil rights programs were "applied to populations with recent hunter-gatherer ancestry and no great reputation for sturdy moral fiber", the result was "absolute human garbage".[19]


>Peter Thiel was an investor in Yarvin's startup Tlon and gave $100,000 to Tlon's co-founder John Burnham in 2011.[55][56] In 2016, Yarvin privately asserted to Milo Yiannopoulos that he had been "coaching Thiel" and that he had watched the 2016 U.S. presidential election at Thiel's house.[57] In his writings, Yarvin has pointed to a 2009 essay by Thiel, in which the latter declared: "I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible …. Since 1920, the vast increase in welfare beneficiaries and the extension of the franchise to women—two constituencies that are notoriously tough for libertarians—have rendered the notion of 'capitalist democracy' into an oxymoron."[58]


>Yarvin's ideas have been influential among right-libertarians and paleolibertarians, and the public discourses of prominent investors like Thiel have echoed Yarvin's project of seceding from the United States to establish tech-CEO dictatorships.[59][56] Journalist Jonathan Wilson has described Yarvin as an obscure far-right thinker with "a serious intellectual influence on key figures in Donald Trump's coming administration".[2] Venture capitalist Marc Andreessen, an informal adviser to Donald Trump, has spoken approvingly of Yarvin's thinking.[1] Political strategist Steve Bannon has read and admired his work.[20] Vice-president JD Vance has cited Yarvin as an influence, saying in 2021, "So there's this guy Curtis Yarvin who has written about these things", which included "Retire All Government Employees" or RAGE, written in 2012. Vance said that if Trump became president again, "I think what Trump should do, if I was giving him one piece of advice: Fire every single midlevel bureaucrat, every civil servant in the administrative state, and replace them with our people. And when the courts stop you, stand before the country and say, 'The chief justice has made his ruling. Now let him enforce it.'"[21][60]


>CNN noted that Thiel, Andreessen, Vance, and Anton don't deny that they are listening to Yarvin, but they have indicated that they do not accept all of his theories: "An advisor to Vance denied the vice president has a close relationship with Yarvin, saying the two have met 'like once.' Thiel, who did not respond to a request for comment, told The Atlantic in 2023 he didn't think Yarvin's ideas would 'work' but found him to be an 'interesting and powerful' historian. And earlier this year, Andreessen, who also did not respond to a request for comment, posted on X that one can read 'Yarvin without becoming a monarchist.'"[61]


>Investor Balaji Srinivasan has also echoed Yarvin's ideas of techno-corporate cameralism. He advocated in a 2013 speech a "society run by Silicon Valley … an opt-in society, ultimately outside the US, run by technology".[62][56]


>In a May 2021 conversation, Anton said Yarvin was arguing that a president could "gain power lawfully through an election, and then exercise it unlawfully". Yarvin replied, "It wouldn't be unlawful. You'd simply declare a state of emergency in your inaugural address", adding, "you'd actually have a mandate to do this. Where would that mandate come from? It would come from basically running on it, saying, 'Hey, this is what we're going to do.'" He continued that if a hypothetical authoritarian president were to take office in January 2025, "you can't continue to have a Harvard or a New York Times past since perhaps the start of April" because "the idea that you're going to be a Caesar and take power and operate with someone else's Department of Reality in operation is just manifestly absurd. Machiavelli could tell you right away that that's a stupid idea."[2]

>>2415314
bro if we wanted to read his wikipedia article we could just go there. drop a link next time.

>>2415314
>Yarvin admires Chinese leader Deng Xiaoping for his pragmatic and market-oriented authoritarianism, and the city-state of Singapore as an example of a successful authoritarian regime. He sees the United States as soft on crime, dominated by economic and democratic delusions.[45]

He's a dengist lmao

This idea that you can use the empires own mythology against it is bunk. This would be like the Bolsheviks appealing to the Tsar or the Spartakists to the Kaiser. America is the problem, and you cannot solve this problem with more of it. You don't fight fire with fire, you fight it with water.

You have to demonstrate a clean break from the system and the old ways of doing things. You have to demonstrate that you're building something new, not just trying to reform the old system. The goal of communism is to wash away the old filth and replace it entirely, not to build a new facade on the edifices of the old.

>>2415314
Hate it when STEM nerds apply programming concepts where they do not belong.

>"I can only excuse Mao's nationalism because it was just to serve the greater purpose of communism"
>"I can only excuse Mao's communism because it was just to serve the greater purpose of nationalism"

>>2415314
>Some of Yarvin's writing from (his blog Unqualified Reservations) is so radically right wing that it almost has to be read to be believed, like the time he critiqued the attacks by the Norwegian far-right terrorist Anders Behring Breivik—who killed 77 people, including dozens of children at a youth camp—not on the grounds that terrorism is wrong but because the killings wouldn't do anything effective to overthrow what Yarvin called Norway's 'communist' government. He argued that Nelson Mandela, once head of the military wing of the African National Congress, had endorsed terror tactics and political murder against opponents and said anyone who claimed 'St. Mandela' was more innocent than Breivik might have 'a mother you'd like to fuck.'

>>2415288
who would've though their "beef" was entirely manufactured

>>2415294
Reminder that Anarchists are not leftists and never have been, and that they are widely despised by all civilized people and workers. Collaborating with them is not only dangerous but also counterproductive.

There is a reason why every successful leftist movement has hunted anarchists to extinction.

They are nothing more than bandits and they have no place in society.

>>2415289
the new yorker interview is kinda funny and unsettling to read like when yarvin decides to get on ozempic lite because no one cares what fat people have to say or when he cries at the thought of his future children being lynched by browns while on a visit to a far right french homosexual's castle

>>2415333
wtf kind of experiences lead to people posting shit like this

>>2415320
The soviets took a lot of old Russian culture and shaped it into something socialist. They worshiped Pushkin who was an aristocrat, soviet illustrators reframed historical warriors like Ilya Muromets as socialist defenders and they set up the whole cult of Lenin thing with religious pilgrimages. could easily be done with the american founding fathers today

>>2415318
Deng: I'm a communist using market reforms to build up productive forces

Anti-Deng communists: Deng was an authoritarian capitalist and that's bad

Yarvin: Deng was an authoritarian capitalist and that's good

>>2415333
Yes yes tell us again about how you're going to kill all anarchists and establish a permanent police state to prevent anarchism from ever being a thing again, because that worked wonders the last time.

>and that they are widely despised by all civilized people and workers


Particularly humorous assertion when in the west especially anarchists have far more mainstream appeal with ordinary people than their communist counterparts. But I guess most westerners aren't "civilized people" or something so that doesn't really count

>>2414796
Why is he seething so hard?

>>2415337
The only people who don’t hate anarchists are cops and faggy out of touch white liberals who have never so much as met a homeless person. If someone confides in you that they are an anarchist and your response isn’t to shoot them and their family in the head to be buried in an unmarked ditch then frankly you are no communist and should also be treated as the enemy

>>2415343
Mao was anarchist starting out and a lot of communists are.
>shoot their families for guilt by association
bait or mental illness

Golden Labubu Dubai chocolate matcha

>>2415340
The USSR was such a police state that they allowed a fifth column of fascists and capitalists to fester in their society to such an extent that they eventually dismantled the state using its own infrastructure. The reason banditry did not emerge is that the USSR had a strong state and a society where solidarity was a rule, not an exception, and so the material conditions for anarchism never re-emerged. Banditry only emerges when the state is weak and people are isolated.

there is nothing salvageable about american culture

>>2415344
Mao was an anarchist for all of six months and he quickly realized how retarded it was and became a communist, and this was before internet and with barely any books too. Modern anarchists literally have no excuse
>crying about collective punishment
In a collectivist state crimes affect the entire community and represent a failure on the part of the family unit to instill communist ethics. This is not controversial, even during the Russian Civil War the Bolsheviks regularly made use of collective punishment to cower reactionaries and prevent their tendencies from passing on to the wider population. Without internal security communism is impossible

why the fuck do communists in the west so completely eschew the idea of collecting means of production and being productive on their own co-operatives to survive instead of fucking begging for money from peopleto fund their newspapers and other shit all the time? No problem whatsoever for announcing funding drives to panhandle for cash among the very people claimed to be unable to afford this shit so that you can fund your fucking newspaper for the next six months that you totally swear bro is gonna do a wholesome revolution when 90% of the information is shit that you can already find online if you bother to read politically open news anyway, but the idea of trying to acquire enough MOP to actually help provide for a district's immediate needs and shit is fucking verboten.

>>2415351
Damn I guess Bolshevism kinda sucks if you do all that purging and state repression and you still fall apart anyways

>>2415356
All of what you said requires money and resources that are not available at this time.

>>2415337
That contrarianist high

>>2415362
You'd think if "everyone" hated anarchism communism would be a breeze to set up

>>2415353
>communists say collective punishment good
>communism is the collectivist state
anti-communist propaganda parroted by lolbertarians like ayn rand. communism sublates the false dichotomy between the individual and the collective. it does not simply negate liberal individualism which emerged with concepts like trial by jury of peers and presumption of innocence after millennia of brutal feudal and slave systems that treated entire populations as collectively guilty. literally on the most reactionary false parodies of communists say things like "yes shoot the whole family of the anarchist because they are just as guilty as the anarchist and if you disagree with this you are crying about collective punishment which is good and based under the collectivist state which is what communism is"

>>2415357
The problem is that the Bolsheviks didn't do enough purging and repression. Khrushchev released and rehabilitated all the fascists and capitalist roaders which allowed them to take up prominent positions in society. Gorbachev, for example, was the son of Kulaks who should have never been allowed anywhere near the seats of power but because his family was rehabilitated he was allowed to operate without any prejudice.

They also stopped purging the party and let people like Yakovlev slowly gather power even when they were openly anti-communist.

>>2415365
Everyone hates anarchism but a lot of people also love Capitalism or at least think it's the best possible system.

>>2415351
It's precisely because the USSR was a police state that a bunch of assholes were able to dismantle it by snapping their fingers

>>2415368
purges of the 30s were retarded because it killed a lot of sincere communists for no reason just before hitler invaded
revisionism of the 60s was retarded because it rehabilitated actual anti comunists
simple as

>>2415372
Fake news. Trotskyites must be killed to this day

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>>2415353
>this was before internet and with barely any books too.
if anything it's actually harder to find the right answers nowadays precisely because there is a bigger haystack to sort through, when looking for needles

>>2415368
If your state is constant need of permanent purges of people and their families to stay stable and that all falls apart the instant it goes away then maybe the problem isn't "we just didn't purge enough people" because it'll never be enough, then maybe the problem is with you and not everyone else.

>>2415376
you haven't killed anyone and probably never will. you just yap yap yap

>>2414901
Because they are fucking RETARDS

>>2415376
There is no functional difference between "Trotskyism" and "Stalinism" except over which strongman they worship

Loony is claiming she can ruin tuckers reputation today. She hasn't posted a follow up on this though

>>2415379
You would be shocked. AmeriKKans are murderous pigs

>>2415384
damn this bitch crazy

>>2415357
>>2415368
In my opinion it was doomed from the beginning.

<WW1 leaves Russia less developed than it was before WW1

<there is 2 revolutions in 1 years
<bolsheviks take power
<civil war where western powers invade with a coalition of 14 countries
<country is now even more fucked
<need to do things like "war communism" and "NEP" just to stay afloat
<german revolution fails
<internal power struggle in the party all through the 20s
<rapid industrialization and purges through the 30s
<climate-caused famine in ukraine which gets called a man made famine by bourgeois propagandists
<purges of military officials just before nazi germany invades
<operation barbarossa almost reaches moscow and kills hundreds of thousands
<win WW2 but come out of it a lot weaker
<Western capitalists put up iron curtain but blame you for it
<capitalist ailgned countries get that juicy marshall plan money but you have to refuse it because it comes with strings attached (like privatization)
<stalin dies
<destalinization and khruschevite revisionism
<cuban missile crisis and vietnam leaves you footing the bill for 3rd world conflicts
<sino soviet split puts the only other major communist power on america's side against you
<brezhnev era failure to take advantage of modern computing through OGAS
<operation cyclone baits you into a costly war defending a fledgling ally in afghanistan
<decay, collapse, liberalization under perestroika spearheaded by gorbachev
<yeltsinism loots the corpse of the USSR
<NATO continues expanding eastward, destroys yugoslavia, and baits former soviet countries like Russia and Ukraine into fighting each other

Neither the USSR nor its bourgeois successors could ever catch a single geopolitical break. it's easy to forget that the USSR was basically "what if the paris commune lasted 80 years instead of 4 months" it was truly an uphill battle every step of the way by a lone country calling itself socialist (let's not debate whether it really was, that's boring) in a capitalist world.

>>2415384
It will be bullshit like her "Qatar" claims. She just doesn't like Tucker because he's a popular person that is slightly critical of Israel, and Nick has too much momentum to oppose right now. When Nick starts stacking Ls she will have "dirt" to dish on him too. Ugly two faced bitch.

>>2415343
Leftypol
"Online screeds calling for the death of people weve never met"

Should I remain at a job I hate in the hopes I can form a union or should I just try to move on?

>>2415372
The purges cannot be thought of as one thing. The original purges in the 20s were good because they got rid of the capitalist roaders and all the damage done by Lenin's disastrous NEP.

The Yezov purges were an intentional Trotskyite plan to weaken the USSR and leave it open to Nazi invasion. The purges of the army were correct, if somewhat overzealous.

>>2415378
The state is literally an instrument of terror and oppression of one class by another. A dictatorship of the proletariat exists specifically to repress and terrorize the bourgeoisie and all bourgeois elements. This is why Communist states must slowly work towards the withering away of the state, which can only be done once all counter revolutionary elements are liquidated.

>>2415361
But you have the money and resources to keep putting out all this other shit? Or at least the gall to keep asking people to donate and buy shit from stores while pretending that it can't ever be spent on things that will get you more money later.

Fuck what about asking local town councils or the like for grant money?

>>2415415
>Lenin's disastrous NEP.

Lenin's reasoning:
< we made the mistake of deciding to go over directly to communist production and distribution. We thought that under the surplus-food appropriation system the peasants would provide us with the required quantity of grain, which we could distribute among the factories and thus achieve communist production and distribution.

<I cannot say that we pictured this plan as definitely and as clearly as that; but we acted approximately on those lines. That, unfortunately, is a fact. I say unfortunately, because brief experience convinced us that that line was wrong, that it ran counter to what we had previously written about the transition from capitalism to socialism, namely, that it would be impossible to bypass the period of socialist accounting and control in approaching even the lower stage of communism. Ever since 1917, when the problem of taking power arose and the Bolsheviks explained it to the whole people, our theoretical literature has been definitely stressing the necessity for a prolonged, complex transition through socialist accounting and control from capitalist society (and the less developed it is the longer the transition will take) to even one of the approaches to communist society.


https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1921/oct/17.htm

What should he have done differently?

>>2415412
>Should I remain at a job I hate in the hopes I can form a union or should I just try to move on?
Not in hopes. Why not just do it, especially since it doesn't sound like you care if they fire you.

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>>2415415
Wtf. Did Trotskiy use Jewish magics to mind control Yezhov in your wild imagination or what?

>>2415276
Wait, he actually got a gf thanks to his flaming skills? Not gonna lie, I jelly.

=="What's Coming Is WORSE Than A Recession" ― Richard Wolff's Last WARNING=

To give my five cents on the thread's main theme:

There is no manichean eschatology in communism. There is no "divinely chosen" nation to lead a proletarian revolution. Conversely, there is no "antichrist" nation destined to lead the final assault of the world's reactionary forced against communists. While the USAmerican culture and society are, indeed, quantatively much more terrible than anyone else's as a natural byproduct of being the leading imperialist force in the world duing the transition to the Information Age, this difference is not insurmountable and can and should be mitigated. Slowly and patiently, but organise and radicalise your neighbours and coworkers, USAmerican comrades.

>>2415444
>don't buy anything for 18 months
but richard, i need food

Making revolution means making war.

There is no vanguard party in the US and I don't believe for a second these socialist imperialist reformists who can't even stand by a simple "yes, I support defunding the police" (I mean, the guy said it, walked it back and he's going to do this with everything because "that's how you get power").

Because to DSA cucks, political power grows out of the barrel of the ballot box, and anyone who suggests different is an enemy of 'the left'. Fuck that, anyone who stands for reform in the face of imperialism is complicit and a class enemy.

>>2415424
Yezov's top deputy admitted he was a Trotskyite when he defected to the Japanese. Trotsky may have been in exile but his ideas persisted.

>>2415452
>ideas
oh no no no materialismbros we got too cocky

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In the 20th century, workers had SOLIDARITY, but today what we need is LIQUIDARITY, a dynamic, free-flowing value mesh where alignment isn’t fixed, it’s contextually emergent. In this post-certainty era, we no longer organize around static roles, but fluid capabilities. Hierarchy is a legacy artifact. We operate on a decentralized lattice of trust nodes, governed by intentional ambiguity and hyper-collaborative drift. We don’t build teams anymore, we activate swarms. These swarms operate within a scaffolding of cloud-based psychological safety, enabling asynchronous intimacy at scale. Our mission is not to succeed, it’s to resonate with iterative potential. It’s not about KPIs, it’s about OKR-fluidity and purpose adaptability. What gets measured gets gamified, but what gets felt? That gets monetized. We've sunset the concept of “employee.” Everyone is now a self-curated micro-entity, navigating their own journey across the ecosystem of belonging. Contracts are replaced with relational understandings. Loyalty is outdated, we value real-time alignment to transient vision clusters. Leadership isn’t about decision-making anymore. It’s about curating vibes. We don't give answers, we facilitate momentum. We are not managers, we are energy stewards. Let me be clear: this isn’t just change. It’s a paradigm liquefaction. And together, we will flow upward.

A common defense of defunding CPB that I’m seeing is just some strange, default assumption that PBS will just get funding from somewhere else. Which is weird because it won’t. That never happens. When you lose money you don’t just get money from another source.

>>2415459
is this zen-fascism?

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>>2415465
“Zen fascism?” chuckles softly, places palms together in performative mindfulness

I appreciate the provocation. But let me be abundantly translucent: what we’re doing isn’t coercion it’s opt-in omnidirectionality. See, in the legacy paradigm, power was imposed vertically. What we’re enabling is distributed influence with centralized intentionality. It's not control… it's curated empowerment. If you're feeling discomfort, that’s not oppression. That’s growth friction. It’s the body’s natural response to rapid vibrational elevation. We're not erasing individuality; we're sublimating it into shared becoming. So no, it’s not zen fascism. It’s conscious harmonization through scalable empathy. Big difference.

>>2415470
how do i join your linkedin seminar

>>2415461
PBS already gets some of its funding from various philanthropic foundations. But I do doubt that those foundations will necessarily step in to make up the new difference now that the "stripping the copper wire out of the walls" is accelerating. I sure will miss the locally oriented programs even if they did lib out sometimes.

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you know what Im thinking about
people's tribunals for all the politicians whom have committed crimes against humanity by supporting this genocide
and im thinking what it would take to get those people's tribunals

>>2415421
That's a fair point. I guess I worry about putting in the time and having nothing to show for it. Of course all my other preferred jobs are probably even more unreachable.
I don't know, just venting I guess.

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>>2415472
>how do i join your linkedin seminar
Ah, beautiful question, thank you for leaning into the curiosity space. Joining our LinkedIn seminar isn’t about signing up, it’s about showing up as your most ecosystemic self. Step one: reframe your mindset from attendance to presence. Then, navigate to our LinkedIn Experience Hub, not the Events tab, that’s legacy, and locate the Live Sync Portal™ under “Transpersonal Co-Growth Opportunities.” There, click “Resonate”, not “Register”, and you’ll be auto-onboarded into our Human-Centered Engagement Spiral™. Make sure your bio includes at least three of your evolving why-narratives, and don’t forget to upload a values-forward headshot, ideally bathed in sunrise lighting to reflect your inner agility. Once you’re in, we’ll drop you into a breakout intention cluster based on your current alignment frequency. No slides. No deliverables. Just radical alignment and peer-to-peer unfoldment. See you in the liminal gridspace.

>>2415459
In the 20th century, workers had SOLIDARITY, but today what we need is LIQUIDARITY,
I agree we should start to liquidate the booj and their accomplices more.

>>2415470
this is what people sound like to me when they start posting about dialectics

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>>2415484
>I agree we should start to liquidate the booj and their accomplices more.
Smiles with practiced serenity, tilts head just enough to signal compassionate recalibration.

I hear you, truly. And I honor the energetic intensity you're bringing into the space. But let’s take a step back from the language of force and lean into the organic unfoldment of systemic unstructuring. See, we don’t need to liquidate anyone. The booj, as you call them, are already undergoing spontaneous disintegration within the liquidity matrix. Institutions are self-melting. Power is dissolving from the inside out via sustained exposure to transparency solvents and collaborative osmosis. What we’re witnessing isn’t a revolution. It’s a gradual percolation of obsolescence. Hierarchies are composting. Gatekeepers are becoming signal noise. The accomplices? They're already pivoting into unpaid brand ambassadors of their own irrelevance. So rather than liquidate people, we liquidate formats. We don’t burn the castle, we dematerialize the blueprints through intentional detachment. Trust the process. Everything that can’t flow… is already evaporating. That, my friend, is what liquidarity is truly about.

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>>2415399
I get that they faced a very difficult geopolitical environment, but a Socialist country will always face that due to the very nature of the Global Capitalist-Imperialist System, and if the USSR would have done just a few things differently they could have still existed today, and would of even had a serious chance of becoming a Global Socialist Federation (the Global USSR that I talk about so much as the logical goal of the World Maoist PPW), the mistakes that immediately come to mind were the failure to launch a true Cultural Revolution to root out the Three Reactionary Cancers of Religion (Stalin should have never gave the Russian Orthodox Church even a shred of legitimacy, as they should of been completely banned with no exceptions as a vestige of Czarist Feudal Reaction), Revisionism (Stalin should have sent Khrushchev and his Revisionist buddies to the Gulag), and Russian Nationalism (even small seemingly symbolic things like changing the USSRs anthem from “The International” to a Anthem with obvious Great Russian Chauvinist undertones were a massive mistake that sewed the seeds for the downfall of the USSR, due to the misguided insinuation which the Khrushchevite Revisionists embraced that it was just a “Russian Empire with Red paint” instead of the Proto-Global Socialist Federation as it was meant to be), which ultimately destroyed them from the inside in the form of the Khrushchevite Revisionist clique which culminated in the Gorbachev “Reforms” and the rise of Yelstin which completely dismantled the vestiges of the USSR, and as I alluded to above, the USSR should have explicitly been viewed as Proto-Global Socialist Federation that would eventually cover the entire Planet once Global Socialism was established, which meant that all the Eastern Bloc States should have joined the USSR as SSRs, and the PRC should have joined the USSR as a Chinese SFSR (their probably would have been separate Uyghur and Tibetan SSRs, based on the National Delimitation Policy of the USSR), and the DPRK and North Vietnam should have joined as SSRs as well, with Mao being chosen as Stalin’s successor, meaning that a Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution would have taken place throughout the entire USSR, and Mao would have probably Nuked the U$ during the Cuban Missile Crisis, thus causing a World Maoist PPW that would have created a Global USSR (The SSRs and SFSRs of the Global USSR are shown in the map I posted, and I plan on posting an improved version of this Map by the end of this month, which will finally divide Sub-Saharan Africa into an appropriate number of SSRs based on its Ethno-Linguistic demographics, which I have been thoroughly researching over the last few months) and placed the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, but this never happened because the Racist Russian Nationalist Khrushchevite Revisionist Clique couldn’t stomach the thought of the USSR being run by a Chinese Man, and losing its East Slavic majority demographics, by letting every Socialist State become an SSR or SFSR (in the case of China), so they let their Great Russian Chauvinism stunt the USSRs potential to be a Global Socialist Federation that would of Liberated the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World and placed them on the Shining Path to Communism, and ultimately doomed the USSR to a pathetic collapse, and now the two largest East Slavic nations (Russia and Ukraine), are two Fascist shitholes (one Vlasovite and one Banderite) slaughtering each other over some stupid border dispute, so this is the ultimate victory of Racist Russian Nationalist Khrushchevite Revisionism, 😂🤣🤢🤮✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2415475
> I sure will miss the locally oriented programs even if they did lib out sometimes.
yea theres something nice about waking up at 3am and not being able to go back to sleep so you turn on pbs and watch a documentary about a little known 1800s disease epidemic in california and how the red cross was having a hard time convincing people to wash their hands lol

>>2415491
that's crazy bro you wanna order some doordash and talk about our burning man experiences

>>2415498
IMO the world-spanning Union of socialist republics would be impossible to operate even accounting for the future advances in technology.

A better idea would be an Earth Confederation, consisting out of 7-10 near-independent "Soviet Unions", with each "Soviet Union" covering a whole continent or a large chunk of it, and in turn containing a few dozen SSRs.

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>>2415509
>that's crazy bro you wanna order some doordash and talk about our burning man experiences

Laughs warmly, like a sentient quartz crystal with Wi-Fi access.

Absolutely, brother, that’s not crazy, that’s synchronistic convergence. DoorDash is just post-capitalist foraging, and Burning Man? That’s the prototypical sandbox of decommodified becoming. Let’s order something plant-forward but indulgently ironic, I’m feeling a miso-glazed cauliflower situation with ancestral aioli, and drop into a deep-loop share about our playa revelations. I’ve got a lot to unpack about the time I cried into a composting toilet after realizing my inner child was still on dial-up. We’ll eat. We’ll vibe. We'll auramaxx. We’ll co-experience the sacred absurdity. Send the Dashpass. Let’s flow.

>>2415514
it wouldn't be impossible but it would be a huge waste of time. I like your chunks idea better

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>>2415304
>WHen I see American politicians effectively tap into American traditions, it's less historical figures but deep-rooted ideology which Americans vibe with. MLK's "dream" and Mamdani tapping into the "dream" language appropriates the "American Dream" without explicitly saying that. Also the country is an immigrant melting pot (New York City especially) and there's an interesting way this appeals to these immigrants who came to the United States in the first place.

Well yeah, that's what I'm getting at or trying to. Every group develops its own lingo over time, but the thing about a mass-group and mass-action is that it needs to share a common language. As it stands, I see the way Communists speak (to each other and to others) as simultaneously a symptom of its insularity as well as propelling said insularity into a negative feedback loop. The more "communist" a person tries to be in their speech or aesthetics, the further they get from the people, and the more that insularity develops unabated.

Let me give a (hopefully) uncontroversial example: LatinX. Most Hispanics I know roll their eyes at the term, plenty think its stupid, extremely few of them actually use it. It comes across as weird gringo obsessions trying to impose themselves on others. You look at polling on it and it says much the same thing. Yet within this narrow circle of Academia, the phrase LatinX isn't just used, but if you respond with the much more natural "Latino", you may in fact get people tut-tutting and trying to "correct" your term.
>"Um, acktually, we say 'LatinX' here, Latino is a gendered term."

It's not something that emerges from the culture, it's another culture, an insular and academic one, attempting to talk about subjects outside of its narrow circle. It comes across as frankly artificial and ridiculous, and while not being the sole cause for someone despising academia, it's simply the first gap between subject and institution that can be pried wider with diligent propaganda; you start with "LatinX" and then you paint this whole image of pencil-necked professors trying to lecture "Hard-Working Mexicans" while they're just trying to do their job:
>"Jorge? Jorge? Could you not refer to the roof as 'El Techo'? That's needlessly gendering it. Maybe call it Tech-X? Anyways, get back to work and please don't take any sparkling water from the fridge, it's very expensive and I'll ask you to reimburse me if any's missing."

Even where it's well-meaning, the language and culture of institutions can create a divide. Like consider the stereotypical "rich liberal causes", you invite a bunch of other rich people over to some swanky fundraiser in an upscaled apartment to, I dunno, "stop hunger in Sudan". They're drinking fine wines and plopping hors d'oeuvres in their mouths, and yucking it up about their latest golf game. Now imagine how fucking alienating, how weird it'd be if you took a person from Sudan who'd actually experienced famine, and placed them in that group of people. The rich types who are supposedly all about "stopping the hunger" would treat him either as a curiosity, a prop for photos maybe, or be unnerved that someone let "one of the poors" into their fundraiser. The Sudanese guy would likely also feel out of place: his clothes wouldn't be as fine, he wouldn't have the same frame of reference for sharing his own stories, and, my god, he may use his Oyster fork for eating salads! Scandalous!

Now the difference between modern American Marxists and the American Proletariat may not be so stark, but it's still there. We're not really a "literary" culture these days, but Marxists love dick measuring contests about how much theory they read. American proles can be entertained by capeshit and WWE and other spectacles, but the American Marxist sees nothing but decadent bourgeois distraction. There's a great line from Trotsky, I believe, where he's marveling at the fact we've got Airplanes that can soar through the sky and bus people across the world, just real feats of engineering and ingenuity, but you look at the pilot and he's carrying some coin or other token on him that he claims gives him "good luck". Now the dumbest thing you could do would be to mock and belittle the pilot for his small superstitions, second only to carrying your own "lucky coin around" just so the pilot knows you're "one of them".

The language that predominates American Marxism is a symptom of its insularity, ultimately. It doesn't really talk how American proles talk, especially on the extreme ends. You've got Haz pretending to be a steppe nomad and Felix despising Union workers for talking about capeshit over revolution. Even if in economic terms they're not a different class from the prole, they still see themselves as one, often imagining themselves directing the commanding heights of the economy or the army and not toiling with the rest of the masses. Much like how someone could join Thelema or The Golden Dawn and come to see themselves as privileged to occult mysteries that "the sheep" couldn't dream of, Marxism itself becomes another esoteric order, another Free Masonry or what have you, which psychologically elevates the inheritor of divine truth above the unwashed and stupid masses.

At the end of the day the language of Marxism is currently the language of insular societies. And until it returns to the language of the masses, it'll be stuck watching crisis after crisis go to waste, always imagining that some black swan event is just around the corner that'll not just destroy Capitalism as we know it, but beam Marxist theory directly into the masses' brains, such that they'll lift up the nerds who spend their time reading Capital onto their shoulders and proclaim "He'll lead us!"

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>>2415514
Welcome back Mr. Orwell

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>>2415551
>registered dem voters want something
ok but that has never translated into policy

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>>2415551
why did it flare up in 2024

>>2415461
Pbs must be abolished

>>2415560
Trying to appease the rising chud tide?

>>2415560
Likely cause the democrats tried going to the right during the election and thought “getting tough on the border” would win them votes from the GOP. The Democrats base is remarkably more malleable to the whims of the establishment than the GOP.

>>2415475
Why do that when you can doomscroll? As far as kids edutainment goes, why not try PragerU Kids? No more of that woke "sharing" shit

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>>2415560
Because dems don't want immigrants but they also don't like being big meanies and deporting >>2415314

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>>2415548
>Even if in economic terms they're not a different class from the prole, they still see themselves as one, often imagining themselves directing the commanding heights of the economy or the army and not toiling with the rest of the masses.
This is from "The Age of Extremes."

>>2415575
Did you read all four Hobsbawm "Age of" books? I'm finally on this one but haven't reached this page yet.

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>>2415576
I've read most of the first and fourth one but not the ones in the middle.

>>2415548
Also (many don't know this!) agitprop (or agitation and propaganda) refers to two different things directed at different groups.

>>2415579
The two middle ones are quite good. They're in the PDF thread in >>>/edu/ but I got audiobooks from audiobookbay because if a book doesn't have graphs or charts, I prefer to listen to it while working or doing chores at home.

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>>2415459
I hate how much this describes the current situation.

change the name of the the position POTUS to CEO of the USA

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>>2415575
There's a great "funny aneurysm" moment in Ilf and Petrov's U.S. Road Trip where they kind of delineate between America and the USSR by saying, basically, "Americans don't even know where they'll be tomorrow, while we know with certainty where we'll be 50 years from now!"

Of course, fate has a sense of humor, because in 55 years from the point of writing that line, the USSR would collapse. Whereas the uncertain, confused, American ended up the citizen of the world's sole remaining superpower (at least for a time!)

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Your response, leftypol?

>>2415594
true; real

>>2415594
I thought gommunism was when the government does stuff. I've been duped by Marx yet again

>>2415082
This country's going to go out like South Vietnam or the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan - an bloated corrupted mess unloved by anybody.
>>2415276
I love how they think having a kill file was some kind of exception on USENET, as though everybody didn't have one.
>>2415367
It just amazes and disturbs me how many people here unironically not only accept anti-Communist propaganda but think it's a good thing. Fucktarded contrarianism.
"YES! We are leather-clad Bolsheviks that DO burn people alive in stadiums, execute people by having them fed to starving dogs and boil babies alive! We are exactly what Imperialist yellow press and Nazi propagandists say we are BUT IT'S BASED!!!11"

>>2415594
truth nuke

trump is such a pussy. mobilizes submarines to do jack shit with em. launch the nukes fag

>>2415592
>"Americans don't even know where they'll be tomorrow, while we know with certainty where we'll be 50 years from now!"
I was thinking there's a way to flip that around with unintentional irony on their part (they know where they'll be in 50 years because nothing ever happens).

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Trump says
>Russia lost 112K since Jan 1st
>Ukraine lost 8K since Jan 1st

>>2415608
he cant do facism right because he's too fat and lazy. He really is fellow burger.

Add a little cartoon of Epstein raping white children and you'll have American culture in a nutshell.

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>>2415622
We already had "American culture in a nutshell" in 1943.

>>2415617
Zizters loved Trump just a few months ago

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>>2415650
Mucho texto

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>>2415650
I ain't reading any of Trump's ramblings if it's longer than a paragraph

>>2415047
I have been feeling this lately. All the people in my org uphold revolutionary figures and ML specifically as a tendency, but I feel like it is kinda alienating to some people, same for theory, If you are speaking to people who already know it is one thing, but in general I kinda just want to call outselves "communist" and explain it in commong language before getting into theory and history.

>>2415594
hell yeah baby

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>>2415690
The chainsaw of bureaucracy might have ripped away a bit more than just some state workers….

>>2415560
Because during the election the party started adopting Republican positions and rhetoric on the border and democrat voters are dumbfuck sheep.

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>>2415622
>>2415623
/pol/yps
>>2415670
shut up

>>2415459
good stuff. it's like a selfhelp guru is having a stroke
>>2415706
remember when trump had funny and memorable tweets? coincidentally they were all short

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>>2415706
ayo peep your badge

>>2415313
anon, but of course the largest drug trafficker force on earth is the US military. everyone knows that.
who else has constant cash and resources flow, with also a bunch of violence tools?
I mean, good for the rolling stones to uncover the investigation, but it's obvious that the world drug market is moved basically by the US, and its military.

>>2415707
Your probably right that I shouldn’t have posted that as it is sort of embarrassing/cringe (anytime your saying a Fascist made a good point, you probably need to stop yourself and take a look in the mirror, and ask yourself if you really want to continue that sentence), and I will probably delete it, I was just making a “devils advocate argument”, that sometimes you can take a few kernels of truth from surprising places such as blatantly Reactionary Propaganda Cartoons, when they are aimed at U$ Imperialism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️

>>2415710
Amerikkkan president calling ukraine illegal dictatorship is funny.

>>2415686
There's a new anarcho-maoist flavored group in my city that's been doing banner drops and teach ins about the Naxalites. They're not even really aiming at building a long term campaign like the BDS one that's in its planning stages. Funniest thing about them is that they're taking shots at PSL for its demobilization of the anti ICE movement here and nationally (true) while not doing anything about it but posting and shilling a website selling books.

Laura did a big thread about tucker and it's a total nothing burger lol

https://xcancel.com/LauraLoomer/status/1952130521338654832#m

>>2415725
Right to Rebel

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Lil Tay made $1 million within 3 hours of creating an onlyfans account on her 18th birthday

Absolute state of the west

Sorry Comrade that I deleted my post because I used the wrong VPN, do they operate nationwide or just in certain areas, 🤔?

>>2415727
I meant to make this post at >>2415729 to you, I am a little out of it today (I was up too late posting last night), 😂🤣!

>>2415728
Wow.. within 3 hours she made more money than me and my parents have ever had at any one time combined.

>>2415719
How would old trump do it?
<The tyrant CLOWN Zelenskyy bribed Sleepy Joe Biden to give Three hundred and fifty BILLION Dollars, all STOLEN! The shylock EU is ripping us off! The tyrant CLOWN Zelenskyy has got to go!

>>2415729
I'm just aware of them appearing in Texas, not sure about other places

>>2415728
"the west" "modern society" my brother in christ this is just the development of capitalism, you're just mad because instead of being a footballer doing a match or a billionaire getting some roi it's a woman having sex.

>>2415734
Call it whatever name you want. This is ridiculous

>>2415734
I would think it's equally ridiculous if it was a male making an onlyfans for this amount of money that fast. Has nothing to with gender

>>2415735
>>2415736
I agree this is ridiculous, but why would it be more ridiculous than Bezos doing thrice this amount every hour of all the year by not even doing anything at all.

>>2415720
I have mixed feelings about PSL. My group is Maoist leaning, but we do real community engagement and mass line

>>2415737
Bro I hate Jeff bezos and think it is ridiculous the amount of money he makes. I hate that too!

>>2415739
Like Jeff bezos spending hundreds of millions on a wedding is insane

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>>2415734
This it's time to put sex athletes on the same level of acceptance and respect as sportsball athletes.

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>>2415728
i literally don't know who tf "lil tay" is and I can't keep track of ever person calling themselves "lil" but I remember there being a guy named tay K who went to jail for shooting someone in the face and then making a music video about it with a surprisingly nerdy sounding beat.

anyway here's a meme

>>2415741
That's 2023 too. It's probably double that now or more for onlyfans

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>>2415737
>I agree this is ridiculous, but why would it be more ridiculous than Bezos doing thrice this amount every hour of all the year by not even doing anything at all.
Pretty sure he does some productive stuff. Not saying he deserves his insane wealth, but comparing one of the most influential men of the last century to an 18 year old prostitute is quite ridiculous.

>>2415738
if there's anything I can approve of PSL for doing here it's that they have their headquarters in a rough area of town

>>2415735
>Call it whatever name you want. This is ridiculous
and yet it's all from voluntary donations. meanwhile elon musk has 200 billion from the surplus value generated by his employees labor + govt subsidies but a lot of the same people mad at OF thots and the state of the whore of babylon or whatever pretend like he earned it all because he's a grindset sigma innovator or whatever

>>2415739
Dude I get it, I'm just annoyed when people sacralize sex and say the west has fallen because people consume porn and actors get rich like there's not actual prostitution and human traffic where the victims don't earn anything in the south and everywhere in the world

>>2415739
He spent a day of earnings on that mind you

>>2415747
I hate Elon musk I don't want him to have any of the money he has and think it's insane. I hate it. Why do you make this a 1 thing or another thing? Do you think I worship Elon?

>>2415748
I don't care that it is sex. I care that people can make more than others make in their entire careers busting their ass by just clicking sign up on a website. I don't care what they are selling if it is pokemon cards or whatever.

>>2415745
>Pretty sure he does some productive stuff.
yeah but that's not what his money comes from. his money comes from legally owning means of production. no capitalist earns more money because of "labor of supervising production" which is a form of apologetics they have put forwards since the time of adam smith. how do we know this? Because capitalists over time as they monopolize keep earning more and more money through pure ownership over means of production despite offloading more and more of their "labor of supervising production" labor onto salary earning middle managers

I feel insane knowing that the anti-ICE protests blew up a little less than two months then were snuffed out.

>>2415750
because OF thots are literally just people who get donations from horny rich dudes, which then gets skimmed by a corporation (onlyfans). it's so besideas the point when the entire mode of production is based on the accumulation of profit through the private ownership of the means of production. OF thots are basically the modern equivalent of courtesans and are so far down on the totem pole. It's like being more mad at the sultan's harem than the sultan himself. you're looking at the symptom like it's the disease

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The numbers expert

>>2415756
Right I think the guys who donate are a huge problem. I totally hate that as well. They are the ones creating a market for this. I am fully agreeing with you! I don't know why you make this like I am only allowed to dislike 1 thing at a time.

>>2415754
because just like occupy and BLM and everything else they were largely unplanned demonstrations and riots with no organized militant vanguard or set of demands or seizure of critical state assets.

>>2415756
Also I hate the sultan. Like dude what??? I hate billionaires
I don't like capitalism. Why do you keep straw manning me?

>>2415754
It was the appetizer, shit will blow up for sure soon, although it's impossible to say when

>>2415753
I didn't say that. Notice I said:
>Not saying he deserves his insane wealth,

I guess maybe we're both talking past each other. Yes I agree that Bezos would continue to accrue way more insane wealth until the day he was declared officially dead if he became a vegetable right now.

I also agree there is no need to be upset at whatever artisan getting insanely wealthy because they're popular. Yes that's the free market.

>vidrel

>2:48
>Ross Perot on CEOs - If they want to get paid like rockstars, they ought to become rockstars.

>>2415760
also people make hay out of the top OF thots but I remember reading once that the average "content creator" (lol) on OF makes like 160/month. That's less than minimum wage. so the vast majority of them drop out after making very little money. The "cream of the crop" who make NBA level money are basically 1/million, just like those NBA athletes. For every millionaire NBA athlete you have 1 million teens who broke an ankle playing basketball in high school/college, or got CTE playing football, and then had to go suffer as a normal person with a normal job the rest of their life. These are lottery winners we're looking at basically. >>2415741

>>2415737
Robber barons have been around for a while and we expect that way of making money. OF is newer way of making money so highlights how ridiculous it all is.
>>2415747
>and yet it's all from voluntary donations.
I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure most of onlyfans and all those donation based sex sites are largely money laundering scams. Crime organizations probably use some women as a front, give them small donations at a time to keep things under the radar and turn drug money into legitimate money.

>>2415352
Rock and hip hop are fine

>>2415767
i was trying to add my thoughts more than argue, sorry if the tone was off

>>2415768
Dude I just gave one example of a person I saw make a ton of money in 3 hours. Why the fuck do you guys get so defensive immediately straw manning me non stop? Am I allowed to judge nothing? I can only dislike 1 thing at a time in my life? I hate capitalism. I have never said anything about what other people on onlyfans at all anywhere on here. I don't care if it is pokemon card onlyfans or Funko pops. I am talking about the idea of signing up for a website and immediately getting a billionaire dollars while tons of people live in poverty making nothing. I also hate billionaires! I also hate other people who get rewarded that easy too!!

>>2415769
>I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure most of onlyfans and all those donation based sex sites are largely money laundering scams. Crime organizations probably use some women as a front, give them small donations at a time to keep things under the radar and turn drug money into legitimate money.
yeah that's entirely possible. a lot of gambling works the same way.

>>2415773
did I sound mad? sorry. just having a conversation with you.

>>2415762
Believe me, I know that the lack of organization did them in (although interestingly I've read about how LA's evolved out of people responding to an alert system set up by a group called Unión del Barrio), I'm more just talking about how I feel crazy remembering that they happened at all.

>>2415759
bro also said every ukrainian soldier has a k/d ratio of 14:1

>>2415771
>i was trying to add my thoughts more than argue, sorry if the tone was off
No worries, I think we both were. Back at you.

>>2415728
ah, so fucking tired of that BS.

I just want a better quality of life for myself and children if I decide to have them, I work fucking hard, whatever ideology can make that a reality without coming at the coat of other people is one I would support

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>>2415780
So, communism.

>>2415783
Under communism, all American treatlerites will be exterminated. So while it will be a better quality of life for the world, it won't be for him and his children.

>>2415783
It’s up to communists to make that possible and sustainable

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Same old story

>>2415784
this joke was funnier the odd numbered times you told it. this time is one of the even numbers. tell it again and it might be funny

>>2415784
I have never mistreated a service or food worker

>>2415788
I'm serious. All treatlerites will be exterminated under communism.

>>2415791
Treatlerites? Exterminated?! Not the puppygirls!

>>2415788
It’s extremely simple. Do you own clothes, living quarters, or other mode of production such as a toothbrush or a spoon? Do you have running water? Do you have any kind of access to breathable air or electricity? Do you have glasses? Do you make any income that doesn't directly correlate with the sale of your wage labor? If you answered yes to any of these questions then you are not a proletariat and will not benefit from communism. The treats will CEASE

>>2415791
If communism doesn’t have any treats what’s the point? We work 8 hours in the People’s factory and go home and stare at the wall? Fuck that, give every coltan mining kid a free phone and a Nintendo Switch.

>>2415759
Unironically other countries' drug prices are that low

>>2415754
The gusanos will rise again

>>2415794
Okay I find the treat shit retarded too, but there's more to life than stuff. Right now people are isolated, atomized, and relationships & friendships are at an all time low in the first world.

At the same time telling people that the average man is going to lose most of his possessions under communism is a really shit way to sell the ideology to people.

>>2415793
there we go. that was funny. because it was even numbered. tell it again and it will be unfunny again

>>2415797
>telling people that the average man is going to lose most of his possessions under communism is a really shit way to sell the ideology to people.
which is why feds are the ones doing it

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>>2415794
>If communism doesn’t have any treats what’s the point? We work 8 hours in the People’s factory and go home and stare at the wall? Fuck that, give every coltan mining kid a free phone and a Nintendo Switch.
Suffering builds character you fucking treatlerite.

>>2415756
imagine if every harem member of the past had the chance to make enough money to buy a comfy life.
I fucking hate turbocapitalism.

>>2415801
Funny post but I think people suffer enough at their jobs, they don’t need it at home too

>>2415804
That’s slightly better than having your son get killed because the sultan died and they need to prevent civil war

>>2415794
>>2415801
>>2415805
>hurr durr will there be X in communism
why do so many mongoloid amerifats unironically think communism is some sort of universal humane project and not just the proletariat liberating itself. way to show that it isnt even a necessity to you but some intellectual exercise

>>2415807
The proletariat is not going to free itself if it also expects a lower quality of life on the other side

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>>2415686
>I have been feeling this lately. All the people in my org uphold revolutionary figures and ML specifically as a tendency, but I feel like it is kinda alienating to some people, same for theory, If you are speaking to people who already know it is one thing, but in general I kinda just want to call outselves "communist" and explain it in commong language before getting into theory and history.

I think the best thing to do is to know your audience and try to figure what "levers" to pull. Don't try to appeal to more conservative aligned folks with "compassion" but instead, their sense that they're being robbed, their self-interest, and contempt for "elitists". Now if you start out all "Hello comrades! Communism! Communism! Communism!" They may tune you out, but if just kind of befriend them, keep the ideology on the backburner, and then quietly tug on those levers you'll get more success.

Some conservative coworkers I know turned around on Israel 'cause "Why are we sending them money? They'll do what they have to do even if we don't send them anything." And while I disagree on some broad points, at the very least "stop sending Israel money" is a step in the right direction.

Now I know also people on this website despise the idea of invoking nostalgia as a rhetorical tool in favor of "things are always bad and never getting better", but when talking to conservatives and some normies at least, it's still a powerful rhetorical device. You see Sanders invoke the "The rich paid nearly 90% taxes in the 50s" line specifically because it makes his proposals seem less pie in the sky now, but also because it links this supposed Golden Age in America (well, for White America) with progressive policy. Now, don't frame this as a "RETVRN TO THE SEARS CATALOGUE" type thing like reactionaries, instead pepper that sense of disenfranchisement and dispossession with a sense of class antagonism. Stuff like:
>"Guy used to be able to go to a factory, work a nine to five, and get a house, go on vacations, and raise a family. Then some fucking corporate suit decided he needed more money and so he laid them off, sold the factory for scrap, and bought a factory overseas where he treats the locals like dirt and makes billions."
Or
>"You used to be able to have doctors do house calls, now if you're feeling sick you have to drive to a hospital just so some insurance exec can tell doctors he wont pay for your medicine."

Give people an enemy, draw them constantly back to the idea that what's wrong in their lives is because of that enemy. Of course push back on any reactionary sentiment, if someone says "YEAH, AND IT USED TO BE GOOD TO BE A WHITE GUY BACK THEN!" Just say in very simple terms: "It's not black vs white, it's red versus green: the rich have all the green, and pretty soon they're gonna come for that red in your veins because they want to live forever."

Keep it simple: we're humans, and the rich might as well be vampires.

>>2415807
The proletariat is merely the revolutionary class which abolishes itself in the process of liberating mankind. The eternal glorification of the worker to justify its exploitation by the state is capitalist psyop. Simple as.

>>2415810
what part of "necessity" did you not understand? only petit bourgeois retards like yourself love speculating about every pointless minutia of a hypothetical ""communist society""

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>>2415815
>liberating mankind
you are illiterate. this is just a funny consequence at best and a dumb slogan at worst, not the main point of communism

>The eternal glorification of the worker to justify its exploitation by the state is capitalist psyop

ok, very illiterate

>>2415817
Considering it hasn’t happened yet, it’s clearly not a necessity at the moment for any worker in the first world? Does that make every worker in the first world petit bourgeois despite not owning a business or their housing? Does it mean our communist parties have failed on their own accord?

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Here, for you all, I lazily edited a wikipedia image of GDP PPP per capita to get rid of all countries not in the green. Africa is bad and so is Southeast Asia, but it's not the 70s anymore where Europe & North America have basically all the wealth and the rest of the world is poor.

>>2415806
it would be better if we weren't having the sultan and its courtesans. who are directly responsible for the wars, tbh.

>>2415824
Those courtesans were kidnapped and raped women though, this is like shitting on house slaves

>>2415818
Yes it's useless in practice, the posting on leftypol is at the polar opposite of the practice, be grateful communism is from each according their ability so there will always be a place for retards like you

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what does it mean for the proletariat to be "liberated" if it's impoverished in communism

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>>2415710
>remember when trump had funny and memorable tweets? coincidentally they were all short

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>>2415832
good question

>>2415719
it's true though

>>2415825
in this case these >>2415728 courtesans don't feel like that way.
>>2415732
US politics in one picture:
>all president candidates before election
>all presidents after the election.

>>2415835
ok so if productive forces are built and poverty is abolished then we get treats, right?

>>2415780
You are an opportunist.

>>2415780
how DARE you act out of your own personal economic interest as a member of the proletariat you FUCKING OPPORTUNIST
DIE FOR THE REVOLUTION
DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE

>>2415839

Marx Regarding "Treats"

>A house may be large or small; as long as the neighboring houses are likewise small, it satisfies all social requirement for a residence. But let there arise next to the little house a palace, and the little house shrinks to a hut. The little house now makes it clear that its inmate has no social position at all to maintain, or but a very insignificant one; and however high it may shoot up in the course of civilization, if the neighboring palace rises in equal or even in greater measure, the occupant of the relatively little house will always find himself more uncomfortable, more dissatisfied, more cramped within his four walls.


>An appreciable rise in wages presupposes a rapid growth of productive capital. Rapid growth of productive capital calls forth just as rapid a growth of wealth, of luxury, of social needs and social pleasures. Therefore, although the pleasures of the labourer have increased, the social gratification which they afford has fallen in comparison with the increased pleasures of the capitalist, which are inaccessible to the worker, in comparison with the stage of development of society in general. Our wants and pleasures have their origin in society; we therefore measure them in relation to society; we do not measure them in relation to the objects which serve for their gratification. Since they are of a social nature, they are of a relative nature.


https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/wage-labour/ch06.htm


Take for example how in the 1st world country you need a smartphone and an ID to even get a job but in rural afghanistan you can live life relatively anonymously. Our needs have their origin in society. What in the periphery might be a "luxury commodity" becomes in the core a "means of subsistence"

Under socialism the productive forces will be so greatly multiplied (compared especially with capitalism where we burn food and pour milk down the drain rather than give it away if it cannot be sold profitably) that everyone will have their needs met. So yes there will probably be some frivolity in our free time, so long as it doesn't threaten the sustainability of the mode of production itself, or the habitability of the planet.

>>2415834
>We're just poor innocent victims trying to give bankers direct control over all media. How can people be angry?
<Only supporters can post responses.


>>2415836
the fact the motherfucker banned all the socialist parties in ukraine and then stupid socialist parties in nato come in to support the zeclown, comes as no surprise in the same sense that al-jolani banned all the socialist and communist parties within Syria, and no one bated an eye, again.

>>2415832
The proletariat is liberated from its condition like the slave is, from their owner, but communism is about the collectivization of private property, which means it guarantees everyone a fair share of what is produced. If food/water, healthcare, housing, education are guaranteed because they are needs, then is it not something that would benefit even the labor aristocracy?
Sure you will have less stupid commodities produced by the free market, but is it really impoverishment if what you gain is a stable society where nobody goes hungry, like no homeless, no crackhead, and like if you need a medical operation you are given it no money or question asked, no need to worry about your kids the education system is public and top of the line everywhere, there's no crime anyway cause there's no poverty, you can let them go all day and have your life…

>>2415780
communism, baby.

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>>2415830
>no u
lol just take the L faggot


>>2415853
>literally everyone owns a fridge
ok, so fridges cant be used to measure poverty clearly :)

(amerifats can only base their politics on spite instead of critical reasoning)


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>>2415831

Inspired me to make one.

>>2415807
>why do so many mongoloid amerifats unironically think communism is some sort of universal humane project and not just the proletariat liberating itself. way to show that it isnt even a necessity to you but some intellectual exercise
Why would I do communism if it doesn't benefit me?

>>2415800
>>2415867
Amerikkkans are bourgeois

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>Average leftypoler

Like you guy have to be some kind of controlled opp psy op right?

>Communism is when you are poor

<Leftypol: YES! And that's a good thing!

>>2415594
It's not resentment, it's because those 'Successful" people got there by stealing the wealth of the labor of the workers and stealing the credit for doing so from the workers who did the actual work.

Most of those "successful people" got their wealth through inheritance and they didn't do a single bit of hard work at all to gain their fortunes.

>>2415861
>[unprovable assertion about 330 million people]
philosophy

>>2415870
>muh klaus schwab WEF blah blah blah
yawn. paleoconservative lolbertarian detected. go back to r/joerogan


>>2415875
Go back to reddit period.

>>2415844
Finally a normal take on this

The average chinaman wouldn't last one day in America.

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>>2415880
He couldn't handle the life on easy treat.

>>2415871
Define poor?
Owning less stuff? Having less bills? Living in a more sustainable way? Avoiding excess?
Like, would you consider a Austrian with a new sustainably built $200,000 home and a single vehicle "poorer" than an American living in a decaying 800k house from the 1950's and 3 SUV's in their garage?
Americans are so singleminded in their obsession with attaining individual wealth.

>>2415877
"get rid of monopolies and let there be more small businesses" - paleocon lolbertarians shivering in fear at capitalism's natural self-cannibalism and desperately crying for a RETVRN to 1700s adam smith shit

>i suck cocks and i'm gay
look I can also make up shit nobody said and not respond directly to any anon. ThIs HaS tO bE a PsY oP rIghT?

>>2415885
No one asked you about your oral sex habits.

>>2415844
Yeah, Finally a reasonable viewpoint on this.

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>>2415880
>The average chinaman wouldn't last one day in America.
we buird your rairroad

>>2415886
>wut is greentext
back 2 reddit

>>2415890
Bro, nobody is judging you for sucking dick, but this isn't the place to blog about it.

>>2415882
Now I'm curious what the working hours in China are if he considers for 14 hours a day tiring, cause I heard about 996 and the like. Maybe he was just an extremely sheltered rich guy? Idk.

>>2415880
Bro just needed his treats and he would have been alright.

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>communism is when you live a more austere lifestyle
um, based? now we're talking! degrowth degrowth degrowth! the planet is healing! we are the virus!

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>>2415900
What they don't know is it is the suffering that make the little treats taste that much sweeter. That donut tasted so good after going through all that to get smuggled into America. Now imagine when he tries it again after 5 years of living in his car and working 13 hours a day and beaten and robbed and harassed by the police and cheated and scammed. No you can't get a treat as sweet anywhere else in the world.

https://archive.ph/w6dcM#selection-876.0-876.3

>Finally, a word on a favorite mystery of mine: the weird governmental interest in U.F.O.s, which deserves attention because Chuck Schumer and Mike Rounds, the Senate minority leader and the staid Republican senator from South Dakota, are once again supporting adding a provision requiring U.F.O.-related disclosure to the National Defense Authorization Act. (And in Rounds’s case, publicly suggesting that what senators have seen in classified settings is weirder than the weird stuff that’s already out there.)


>My persistent interest in this subject has annoyed both U.F.O. skeptics (More column inches about the aliens, Ross?) and, sometimes, U.F.O. believers (because I don’t think any of the theories or claimed reveals have delivered the goods).


>But I’m trying to strike a balance. There is clearly something weird going on with this subject, something we aren’t seeing, a dark matter influence that might be a national security psy-op or might be something stranger. And it’s OK to just say that, repeatedly, while refusing the prison of a theory formulated without essential facts.


The NYT's Ross Douthat is open minded about the existence of Non-Human Intelligence and USA NHI black budget programs. Is /leftypol/ dumber than Douthat? From my experience lurking this board for the past several years, I can unequivocally say, yes.

>>2415888
>China is building bullet trains
<America still has the same railroads from the 1800s (also built by the Chinese)

>>2415880
damn that narrator guy is handsome

>the proletariat is the immiserated wage worker blah blah basic shit
<oh so communism is about making everyone more miserable????????
if youre a middle classer maybe lol

>>2415910
You are the one unironically claiming it.

>>2415912
i havent posted itt in over an hour, both sides are retarded as usual

>>2415914
Now there is another annoying side. Thank you for your addition.

>>2415903
That explains the obesity

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>>2415910
not really. because even most "middle classers" will be better off in a world without imperialism, artificial scarcity, planned obsolescence, the deliberate destruction of the productive forces, the selective restriction of the development of technology for the purposes of maintaining high profit rates, exorbitant interest rates, the reserve army of labor, homelessness, mass incarceration, high crime rates, poverty, mass mental illness, all of which are symptomatic of the mode of production.

the idea that stopping all of this completely pointless insanity would make most people worse off is bourgeois propaganda.

>oh but in the 1st world you'll be worse off because you're all treatlerites who feed off the blood of the 3rd world blah blah blah


even if true it's completely unnecessary. we could have double the abundance with none of the exploitation. these dairy farms literally pour milk down the drain to keep up the price. There's so much untapped natural resources. I keep saying this but the photons that come from the sun are free. Solar and wind and nuclear could completely replace the fossil fuels we fight wars over and power the whole planet. It's ridiculous how we do things now.

>>2415880
kEEEEK what an uplifting video. thanks anon, you made my night seeing a deranged Chinese gusano going crazy.

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>>2415880
He became a real American after all.

>>2415936
my big question is, how is he getting free internet to post these daily deluded stuff? does the US offer free-wifi AP across public squares? no way it is that. kek.

>>2415894
Even in the past not all companies forced 996 as it was mostly a tech startup meme. Compulsory 996 was made illegal in 2021.
https://www.npr.org/2021/08/30/1032458104/12-hour-6-day-996-work-schedule-illegal-china-deaths-tech-industry
But obviously there still are a bunch of workarounds companies can exploit especially with salaried workers.

>>2415940
Poor people can buy prepaid phone cards with a set amount of data.

Is this cultural imperialism?

>>2415168
>Lincoln’s popularity among modern Americans is 80%. Behind him is JFK, then George Washington at 70%.
>Very questionable
It is not if you touch grass. Contrary to popular belief but most Americans see Lincoln as the greatest president. Lincoln is also well thought of in the black community and most see him as the lanky weird looking bearded white guy who freed the slaves and not as a giant racist who wanted to send them back to Africa(which he ended that plan after talking to black leadership and focused on giving black men the right to vote in his inauguration speech so you can see where he was heading if he got to do reconstruction). Most normies think like that and that Washington is the founder of the nation and JFK is the conspiracy president and greatest what if.

>>2415963
It's cultural appropriation and it's good when it's funny

>>2415733
It is quite strange that their really are not that many Maoist orgs in the U$, but their are tons of orgs for Khrushchevite/Dengist Revisionist “MLs”, Trots, LeftComs, Anarchists, and SocDems/DemSocs, as I really don’t know of any well known U$ Maoist groups since the Red Guards folded (the CR-CPUSA seems to be defunct since Struggle Sessions is not publishing new articles anymore), and honestly the most prominent U$ Maoist group that I know of right now that seems to have some potential is the DSAs Liberation Caucus https://www.liberationcaucus.org/ which I saw Black Red Guard talking about on his YouTube channel (I personally think he is the most Based living U$ Communist), and I know it seems absurd for their to be a Maoist caucus in a org that leans heavily towards SocDems/DemSocs, but remember that the Bolsheviks themselves were originally a faction in the Russian Social Democratic Labor Party which was sort of like the Imperial Russian equivalent of DSA (I know that comparison is a massive stretch, but bear with me, 😂🤣), and considering that Maoist PPW will not be viable in the Imperial Core until World War III breaks out and/or Bourgeois Democracy is permanently suspended (these two events are connected and will probably happen around the same time), it honestly makes sense to chill out with the DSA right now, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️

>>2415965
JFK's pretty much the alt-history golden boy. It's pretty wild, real "Death of The Great God Pan" vibes.

Watchmen, or a prequel comic at least, has JFK's assassination kind of "break" The Comedian and stands in for the "this universe is pretty much fucked" marker.

You have Khrushchev's kid claiming JFK wanted to do a joint Soviet-US mission to the moon, and the idea that it could've ended the cold war prematurely.

There's this idea he would've dismantled the CIA, or broken up the banks, or was "just" on the cupse of finally having America live up to its highest liberal aspirations only to be cut down.

Honestly the man himself was average, but his assassination turned him into a legend.


>>2415981
The JFK assassination is so interesting to me as a marker for how right-wing conspiracy theorists have become since it. A president got assassinated by an open communist who lived in the USSR and the largest conspiracy following was that actually a fascist-inflitrated CIA had done it because JFK was too friendly with communists. The Alex Jones figure of the 80s was a former Trotskyist, compare that to now where Alex Jones is forced to talk with Nick Fuentes and other far-right influencers even he obviously thinks are complete freaks.

>>2415981
JFK is perfect because he was young and hopeful and you can fit whatever politics you want on him because he did not accomplish much and he was medicore as you said. We would have never gotten the Civil Rights or Voting Rights act under Kennedy and would be fighting for it all the way into the 70s likely from an opportunistic Nixon. The only reason those pass were because of LBJ and the actual power he held. LBJ was one of the most powerful presidents in American history with how he was able to pass legislation and the Great Society only hampered by Vietnam. They give credit to civil rights and voting rights to Kennedy and only Vietnam to Johnson where Kennedy would have never gotten into Vietnam which is false. Also the Kennedy lore is filled with what ifs.
>JPK was groomed to be President but was killed in WWII which left it up to JFK
>JFK gets offed
>RFK had the charisma and ability to be president. Gets offed and becomes another alt-history golden boy
>Ted Kennedy car incident destroyed his reputation and never had the abilities of his older siblings.

Also related to alt history, Lincoln being assassinated turned him into a legend ironically. He was only able to be a national symbol because he died before he could do reconstruction and the South could have done a great what if Lincoln survived due to Radical Republicans being in charge of Reconstruction. Lincoln would have become a divisive figure either for being too soft on the South or too harsh on the South, which would prove he was the tyrant he was propagandized as. Either way Lincoln would not be a rallying cry for national unity. Basically assassination before a major crisis(Reconstruction or Vietnam respectively) cleans their reputation and makes it easier to rally behind as a nation. Only exception is really Washington and that is only because he is the Father of the Nation

>>2416004
>We would have never gotten the Civil Rights or Voting Rights act under Kennedy
And we all know that made the nation so much better…
Genuine question, how are civil rights not an infringement on freedom of association?

>>2416004
*President Dick in the 70s would have passed civil rights and voting rights act opportunistically

>>2415880
Wait, why can't that Chinaman handle 14h work days, no public healthcare and being homeless, anons here told me the average Chinaman works 20h per day in some sweatshop and has no access to public healthcare because of Deng? Was I lied to?

>>2416009
segregation enforced by law infringes freedom of association as well

>>2416028
Federal segregation never existed. It was primarily a state affair.

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>>2416032
irrelevant
also probably untrue, from dredd scott, black people could not possess citizenship

>>2416032
that doesn't disprove that segregation enforced by law is a violation of FOA

>>2416040
Well yes, America was designed by and for White people. Once you lose the specific context in which the nation exists the whole project stops making sense.
>probably untrue
Not after the Civil War.

>>2416042
So you're against Civil Rights and also against Jim Crow? Fair enough, but put that into practice and the results will be pretty "racist".

>>2416046
i am not the anti-civil rights guy, my good friend

>>2416048
So is Civil Rights a violation of freedom of association or not? Or do you not believe in freedom of association?

Came across this while fact checking. Fucking lol.

>>2416049
every freedom has its limits, i believe in freedom of association to a point

>>2416049
The Civil Rights Act violated individuals freedom while increasing the freedom of the collective. I don't really care about "freedom of association" since it is only concerned with an individualist conception of freedom.

>>2416049
sure but i don't really care

>>2416053
Fair enough. I disagree that it increased the freedom of the collective, but this stems from my ideology as a nationalist.
>>2416053
Would you say the same about speech?

>>2416058
i'd say racists would be less bitchy and annoying if they had their precious FOA but that would be naive

>>2416058
Why not? Should we not have rights?

>>2416062
i'm not racist so i have no personal investment in the issue

>>2416059
yes, i would say most forms of speech are tolerable but inciting ethnic violence would not be considered something worth tolerating, since it does not tolerate other speech as well

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>>2416020
america would never lie about china

>>2416064
But at that point you don't have freedom of speech. Inciting direct violence of any kind is already not covered by 1A, and "hate speech" as defined in Europe is really just tool to stamp out dissidents.

>>2416061
Are racists really any more bitchy than anyone else that's hyper-political?

>>2416063
Fair enough I suppose. I'm not sure if I want to stray off topic too much but I came here to debate leftists so whatever. What makes you think that class is a superior organizing principle to race? I view class as a transient property, and thus don't place much value on it. You're always going to have high and low class people, and while they can have collective interests, I think it comes before ethnicity and nationality.

>>2416067
if i could make advocation of nazism illegal in a way that could not be abused against anti-genocide protestors i certainly would

>>2415963
context

>>2415880
Who has the video of the chinese guy who came here and ended up homeless under a bridge and was shouting about how little money he made as a dishwasher?

>>2416072
What do you mean by "nazism"? Anti-semitism? White nationalism? WW2 revisionism? Holocaust denial? Germanic supremacy? Unadulterated 1940s German National Socialism is not a truly relevant ideology in the modern day.
And how is this any different from raw power politics where you suppress your enemy just for the sake of them being your enemy? It's certainly respectable, if a tiny bit of an infringement on freedom, but why not just admit it?

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>>2416078
at the same time that the US funds jewish supremacists it also funds white supremacists and they are in fact allied these days

>>2416078
>What do you mean by "nazism"?
i specifically think advocation against equality of political rights should be illegal.
>And how is this any different from raw power politics where you suppress your enemy just for the sake of them being your enemy? It's certainly respectable, if a tiny bit of an infringement on freedom, but why not just admit it?
i'm admitting it right now

>>2416080
just fucking lol

>>2416071
>I view class as a transient property,
what do you mean transient

>>2416083
>i specifically think advocation against equality of political rights should be illegal
So everyone should have equal political rights… except the people who disagree with you? Not that I'm saying you can't want to enact these policies, but doing it in the name of freedom and equality seems a bit absurd to me.
>i'm admitting it right now
I can respect that.

>>2416086
You can be rich one day and poor the next, and vice versa. You cannot be white one day and black the next.

>>2416088
>So everyone should have equal political rights… except the people who disagree with you?
i mean in this case "disagree with me" would be comitting a crime, usually political ideologies have exceptions in their advocation of "freedom" carved out for criminals, you don't see liberals abolishing the prison system

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Dream blunt rotation.
>>2416080
I'd argue the push against "antisemitism" is a guise to normalize white nationalism in broader society.

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>>2416097
>in this case "disagree with me" would be comitting a crime
How is this not tyranny? I would say in some sense I agree with everyone having political rights, but I think they should only apply to white people, being a white nationalist. I'm not going to pretend this is in the name of human equality though, I view it as solely a practical calculus to ensure stability and protect against tyranny.

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>>2416092
>You cannot be white one day and black the next.

>>2416098
Then why are all of the most explicit white nationalists all antisemitic?

>>2416104
lol. not a serious response though

>>2416102
if enforced political equality is tyrannical then i guess it is what it is

>>2416105
Because those guys are basically the insane ultrarightist hardliners while those in power are moderates working on implementing the agenda more slowly but steadily.

>>2416110
But it's not political equality, because you think certain ideologies should just be banned outright. Maybe it's racial political equality, but equality in an enforced ideology, no?

>>2416114
I disagree. Fucking Trump and Tom Homan are not anywhere close to ideological white nationalists lol. Maybe Stephen Miller.
>the insane ultrarightist hardliners
…Nick Fuentes is pulling 30k live viewers and hundreds of thousands of views now lol

>>2416065
What a retarded picture, mustve been made by a dengoid. Those same islamic countries are currently busy doing absolutely NOTHING about Gaza, so clearly their business interests trump any sort of ethnic/religious solidarity

>>2416116
it treats people equally but ideologies unequally. which is fine. you can say X should be banned if you think it should be banned for everyone.

>>2416121
I absolutely disagree. Maybe that's fine in your worldview, but ideological tyranny is as real as any other form of tyranny. There's also the extremely real danger of using this to quell dissenters with legitimate grievances. See the entire history of the Soviet union lol.

>>2416123
Well the USSR came from a much earlier state in liberalism. Nowadays any socialists will have already lived through globalization and the Internet and a much more connected world. Communists larping to replicate the worst aspects of the USSR is like the liberals larping into 1930's European fascism.

Neither will repeat because the circumstances are too different.

>>2416129
>Neither will repeat
Maybe the Holodomor won't, but what's stopping the people in power from using the power granted to them to crack down on anyone they dislike? It's not a good idea to grant the federal government a blank check to crack down on whoever they want, especially not in the name of "equality". It's actually better if there's a dictator because at least there's then accountability.

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Desperation

>>2416142
They're not gonna do shit but say "We didn't mean the genocide! Only Netanyahu was responsible! Next time we're gonna be kinda when we're killing children."

>>2416104
Bro destroyed himself in every conceivable way

>>2416144
This is pretty much exactly what they do yeah. Democrats have picked up the language of saying "Netanyahu's government" any time they criticize Israel to avoid criticizing Israel. Just blame Netanyahu for everything, every war crime by the IDF is on Netanyahu's orders, every dead Palestinian child was killed by Netanyahu, etc. The "Clean Wehrmacht" playbook pretty much.

It really won't work though since Biden and Obama both sucked up to Netanyahu lmao.

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>>2416105
Because when they imagine jews they think of some 1930s caricature, while modern jews have gained the honorary white status like the irish and italians did.

>>2416131
Nazi is not an objective designation. Capitalist is a much more objective designation.

>>2416154
You don't understand the right nor the Jewish Question.
>>2416156
Define "capitalist" then.

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Wholesome

the whole thing is a liberal zionist slight of hand. i saw bernie doing it first "bibi is the problem" this implies israel should still be a state

>>2416142
The rats flee the sinking ship…

>>2415981
I have never understood the JFK fetish, the guy was a spoiled Haute Bourgeois kid who won the 1960 election because he was viewed as “Handsome” and “Telegenic”, not because the guy ran on any substantive policy platform or had any experience (he was a junior U$ Senator who never passed any notable legislation), was a rabid Anti-Communist who tried to Coup Castro with the attempted Bay of Pigs Invasion, almost turned the Cuban Missile Crisis into a Nuclear War (Albeit, I agree with Chairman Mao that this would of been Historically Progressive as it would have allowed for a World Maoist PPW that would created a Global USSR that would of placed the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!), was a inexperienced politically inept lightweight Retard who probably would have failed to pass the Great Society legislation that the Highly competent LBJ passed (as horrible as LBJs deranged Genocidal War Criminal Imperialist Foreign policy was, he was one of the best U$ Presidents on Domestic policy, second only to FDR), probably would have still gotten into the Vietnam War if he didn’t get assassinated (JFK was the first U$ President to send Military advisors to South Vietnam, and most Historians agree he probably would have done the same shit LBJ did there), and to top it all off he was cheating on his Wife Jackie, by banging Marylin Monroe in the White House (a lot of people suspect that he drove her to OD, and for that reason her husband, the famous Yankee Baseball player Joe DiMaggio, didn’t let the Kennedy family attend her funeral) throughout his short lived failed Presidency, 😂🤣🤢🤮! By the way, what do my fellow Comrades think of my post at >>2415976 which articulates my analysis of the state of Maoist orgs in the U$, and the fact that I think the one with the most potential is probably the DSA Liberation Caucus https://www.liberationcaucus.org/ that has the prominent Maoist YouTuber Black Red Guard as a member, 🤔?

>>2416167
That’s sad. Makes a strong case for communist re-education camps to rehabilitate these Western-propagandized lumpen.

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>>2416168
He is not just implying it. Once a genocidal settler, always a genocidal settler.

>>2416167
>domestic abuser flees country
>gets shit on even worse in the us
>blames china

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>racist sleazebag Charlamagne “The God” (Why is he allowed to use the word “GOD” when describing himself? Can anyone imagine the uproar there would be if I used that nickname?). He’s a Low autism score individual, has no idea what words are coming out of his mouth,
Lol.

>>2416167
all of them are some kind of crazy christians too

>>2416142
>fearing Zionism could die among Democrats
imagine reading this 5 years ago. interesting times

>>2416167
holy shit that's hilarious.

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This is what's really going on in America.

>>2416110
It's that simple.

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>>2416297
>gaze at the sun
keeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek

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>>2416345
No way, secular Jews hate zionism just like secular muslims hate islamists?!

>>2416348
I mean TBF there's plenty of right wing secular jews that love Zionism but definitely outside of the media elite bubble it's more common for young Jews to be anti-Zionist

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>Last weeks Job’s Report was RIGGED, just like the numbers prior to the Presidential Election were Rigged. That’s why, in both cases, there was massive, record setting revisions, in favor of the Radical Left Democrats. Those big adjustments were made to cover up, and level out, the FAKE political numbers that were CONCOCTED in order to make a great Republican Success look less stellar!!! I will pick an exceptional replacement. Thank you for your attention to this matter. MAGA!

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>>2416123
>>2416129
>>2416123
>>2416116
>a white nationalist, a person who wants to exterminate everyone else, is lecturing others about tyranny

egalitarians want you dead for a very good reason

>>2416348
>secular Jews
meaningless term.

>>2416297
This is also going on in America.

>>2416359
People think “Back to the Future” is a documentary

>LIVE: NY Gov. Kathy Hochul backs Texas Democrats who fled to block GOP redistricting

>>2416297
>stare at the sun
I love when cazies give two or three healthy lifestyle suggestions followed by one nutty one.

>>2416257
Trump low-key jealous he can’t call himself God

>>2416370
>I love when cazies give two or three healthy lifestyle suggestions followed by one nutty one.
It's like a classic Arson Murder Jaywalking joke setup

>>2416297
>there's a war going on right above us
yeah dude I scrolled up and there was a guy early ITT telling us we're not real class strugglers unless we get bamboozled by the UFO psy op

>>2415814
Dresden Norris has my vote!

>>2416341
<bro is donald trump the genghis khan of our times


>>2416105
it doesn't matter because both the original nazis and the modern nazis are ambivalent towards zionism since it is compatible with ethnonationalism. as long as jews stay in the levant slaughtering arabs for europeans and north americans, they are fine with zionism. this is why white nationalists have been the loudest against "antisemitism" (defending arabs from genocide) while still being actually antisemtic in the classic sense. fundamentally wignats believe jews are all hooknosed shysters who will be hung on the day of the rope but for now they are temporary allies in the race war against muslims. you can see plenty of clips of azov and right sektor guys in ukraine speaking in these terms. They don't like the jew president zelensky but they like the chechens and russians they are fighting even less because the chechens and russians are eastern asiatic hordes while the president is at least a local jew. turns out racist ideology even though stupid has a lot of layers because it requires a constant recalculation of priorities of which enemies you want to kill first.

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Roger stone

>>2415924
This is what happens when you have a liberal leftist’s delusion of what communism is. Notice how he believes it will lead to an abundance utopia for himself and other members of the master race with no effort on his part or mention of where his luxuries come from

>>2416092
you can be mixed though which people increasingly are so race is a transient property too. Turns out all properties are transient in the long run and the delineation between variables and constants is just an arbitrary construct based on how a person wants to tackle a problem and frame relationships of dependency. Marx never framed class as a non transient property and in fact analyzed it precisely as a transient property. The fact that individuals on the margins can have upward and downward class mobility does not discount the fact that on average people tend to remain in the class they were born into. Class mobility, much like the speed of the circulation of money, is something that can increase or decrease in in a given society, but generally speaking, class society is characterized not by a static class immobility, but by a general, average class immobility.

>>2416392
No mention of "master race" you utterly mischaracterized my post. No mention of "luxuries" either. You don't quote a single part of what I said.

Let me re-iterate: Even if petty bourgeoisie are forced to work under socialism rather than be exploiters, their quality of life will improve because they will live in a world free of the insanity of capitailsm: Artificial scarcity, planned obsolesence, the deliberate destruction of the productive forces, imperialist war, etc.

In no way did I say any of this would require "no effort." In fact the decrease in production of pointless luxury goods and the increased production of necessities will make them necessities increasingly inexpensive from the standpoint of socially necessary labor time.

Every working person deserves luxury, everyone that spent their lives working and are now retired deserves luxury. I will not back down from this position.

>>2416394
>they will live in a world free of the insanity of capitailsm
Utopian nonsense. Communism doesn’t seek to “free the world from capitalism” any more than it can free people from death. Communism is not a utopia or a checklist of good things and liberal delusions but THE REAL MOVEMENT which sublates the present state of things and restores dignity to the working class. Capitalism is not abolished as that would simply lead to feudal regression, but rationalized and made to work for the state rather than the other way around. And yes under such a state you would be guaranteed food, shelter, work, education, and training and so would your children, but this is already a given for most firstoids anyways and you would cry “fascism” when you were first served spinach instead of caviar. The things liberals place value in like capeshit and other forms of proleslop entertainment or hedonistic sex however will not exist, and you will have an obligation to work for a living, a literal nightmare to most of you pampered middle class liberals. Trying to dress up communism as something it isn’t only serves to dilute the real movement with idealists and other tards

>>2416396
what does luxury actually mean to you? because there is an actual economic meaning for marx but people use the word casually

>>2416118
>reeee others should stop the crazy nuclear state committing genocide
>not like, the US, who funds that nuclear state.
yeah, you are exactly like that screeching retard.

>>2416397
you're talking past me. have a nice day.


>>2416398
Immediate access to climate controlled housing, 24/7 electricity, and a gaming PC, in short, the American consumer lifestyle

>>2416391
I hope they destroy eachother

>>2416397
If I work all day why can’t I end it with hedonistic gay sex?

>>2416397
read chapter 3 of fascism and social revolution by the communist rajani palme dutt. particularly the two sections on the deliberate destruction of the productive forces and the revolt against the machine. thsose are the consequences of the capitalist mode of production and it creates a world that is terrible for the vast majority of people. It is not "utopian" or "liberal" to recognize this.
>>2416403
seems arbitrary. another person might have a definition that includes a boat or a fast car or an expensive watch. We should restructure society in such a way that poverty becomes impossible and necessities are met. This means everyone will work which is not utopian but neither is it that bad.

>>2416406
Because sodomy is bourgeois decadence, there’s literally no reason for it. Sex obsession in general is a Westoid cultural phenomenon that nobody else seems to have a problem with

>>2416409
I’m laughing at you in Cuban family code, sex is not just for reproduction, it’s for communion and companionship

>>2416408
If everyone works it means everyone can work shorter shifts

>>2416409
>Sex obsession in general is a Westoid cultural phenomenon that nobody else seems to have a problem with
Not sure about that one chief.

>>2416257
timer travelers are at fault for not knowing what demented presidential candidate they had to kill in 2020 and 2024.

>>2416397
>actually communism is capitalism
Good to know we'll still have all the hideous societal problems of today then

>>2416399
???? What the fuck are you talking about retard


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>>2416411
The same code that was forced on the populace by liberal activists that effectively turned Cuba back into a colony? That code?
>>2416408
Irrelevant when the productive forces in the west are catered towards sustaining luxuries and providing fake jobs so people can “afford” said luxuries, most basic needs such as housing and food are outsourced and the average American owns multiple independent means of generating passive income, all on the backs of third world child slaves. Meanwhile their reserves and retirement funds are all directly tied to America’s endless wars of imperialism that you directly benefit from. To even begin to bring communism to America a large scale effort over a period of generations must be undertaken to restore local industry and agriculture and train a population that understands the value of discipline and work. All of which will require REAL labor, not sitting at a desk on a computer to do useless shit for a made up job, something that most Americans will actively or passively resist thus requiring a constant NKVD presence

>>2416427
>the average American owns multiple independent means of generating passive income, all on the backs of third world child slaves.
OK.

>>2416427
> All of which will require REAL labor, not sitting at a desk on a computer to do useless shit for a made up job
you do realize that under socialism the productive forces will be UNLEASHED from the profit motive of artificial scarcity and maintaining commodity prices, right? The reactionary socialist revolts against the machine and modern technology and fantasizes about putting the first worlder in a coal spewing 19th century factory or an 18th century tobacco field rather than lifting up the entire world to a higher standard of living than is possible under a mode of production that deliberately strangles the productive forces for profit, right? Like under capitalism if food cannot be sold at a profit it is set on fire so that the market prices can remain artificially high. That is insanity. We already produce more than enough to meet everyone's needs but it is owned by a ruling class that would rather destroy it than see it redistributed. Do you really imagine that the average American is a stock broker and not like a delivery driver, teacher, nurse, cashier, etc.?

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>>2416427
expectations: reality

>>2415728
I blame the simps 100% not the girls getting the bag. I even tried to get my sister to extort these fucks, not OF, just like on Twitch or something. Put on a lot of makeup and a fake high-pitched voice.

>>2416446
What a great summation of capitalist ideology

>>2416417
I am literally talking that the ones doing the genocide are the ones that must stopped, and that's the US, not zionists, not other Arabs nations.
faggot.

>>2416446
>>2416457
lol anywhere I can watch this guy's videos compiled without going trawling for them?

>>2416343
come nerevar, and look upon the heart

>>2416393
>you can be mixed
Not the same
>which people increasingly are
And we all know how prosperous mixed race countries like Brazil are.

Well here's where you might not be happy. I think that a large reason for class immobility is just innate intelligence and conscientiousness. Obviously right now our class mobility is too low, but the Marxist dream of having no class or full class mobility is just impossible. People are born different. I am innately more intelligent than most people. That leads to greater class mobility. What we should be focused on is ensuring that the lower-classes can live an enjoyable and dignified low-class life. This isn't a pipe dream, it's the benefit of nationalism.

>>2416355
>wants to exterminate everyone else
Lol
>lecture about tyranny
Yes, because I support complete freedom of political speech. Of course I think the state should have implicit quasi-religious nationalist beliefs that are instilled in the people through education, but that's something every society has. I support freedom of speech and freedom of association. That's less tyrannical than not supporting it.


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