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>>2412609 >>2414759Yeah but those people are usually aging boomers who won't last until 2030
Politicians need to look for a long term strategic endgame. And by long term i mean "becoming a geriatric senator". You cannot do that if your voting bank consist of Trump diehards, you need to craft a movement for yourself
>>2414828See that’s an unworkable option, because while the smart thing would be to try and frame socialism in terms Americans are familiar with: make appeals to freedom, harken back to the war of independence and the war against slavery, bring up useful quotes from the founders. You’ll still get a segment of the left that will not just refuse to participate in that, but will loudly and actively try to sabotage such a project.
Take that line you used about the tree of liberty, that’s Jefferson, right? “Well he’s just a slaver and Indian killer” is the response you’d get. They would actively attempt to split the party and destroy it from the inside than use a quote by any of the founders. Shit, I once mentioned I liked the idea of using Lincoln as a broadly progressive figure and was told I shouldn’t even like him cause “he did nothing to stop the colonization” or whatever. The supreme irony of course is this is an entirely academic position. I don’t think most Natives or Black people in the U.S. hate Lincoln to the degree segments of the Left does. And the grand irony, at least as it appears to most normal people, is that seemingly the same people who’ll declare Lincoln or Washington to be repulsive and irredeemable for their flaws will go on about Stalin and Mao’s virtues, despite those two being seen as bloody tyrants here.
It gives the appearance of hypocrisy; like someone saying you should hate Frank Sinatra for his mob ties while also saying P Diddy was a talented musician that the industry could learn a lot from.
>>2414871charles wilkes booth was a freemason, so theres that
in fact, the pope of masonry, albert pike, was a general in the confederacy and named his own cult "the golden circle" after a slave trading ring. the civil war broke ties with the creepy european old world and progressed humanity. marx even wanted to fight for the union and wrote in a preface for das kapital that the civil war is a rallying cry to the working class (as opposed to the war of independence).
>>2414887Anarchism certainly, but not anti-nationalism. Yes its a contradiction
>>2414888Stalin never uttered a single lie so
>>2414909what does "class struggle" mean to you? the public getting off the phones for a day to make a couple protest signs and rally outside the fence of the private corporations in control of our power grids, food supply, and arms manufacturers?
why would the reality of Non-Human Intelligence, reverse engineered technology for potentially anti-gravity/infinite energy/celestial WMD, and its implications for known history/war/economy/consciousness be a distraction from "class struggle"?
i'm not a fascist, i'm a third worldist but i am ashamed to call myself leftist when not one of you is taking this IMMACULATE CONSTELLATION conspiracy seriously and dismiss it without reason.
>>2414856>Lincoln did nothing to stop the colonization<Lincoln: tried to dispose of his slaves to Africa after their value was used up<Hitler: tried to send Jews to Israel/Poland etc<Zionists: continued this bourgeois recuperation trend by trying to send Palestinians away for their middle class to stop eating itselfSocialists: "I have no idea why everyone keeps calling me a 'satanic NWO globalist'! My liberal ideals are actually very based if you ignore historical materialism
>this is an entirely academic position"I'm a man of the people" - the most insufferable fart sniffing losers you ever saw
>the grand irony is same people will go on about Stalin and Mao’s virtuesthing noticing liberal NPC smugly refuses understand bourgeois dictatorship
>>2414882> committed colonialism on the Confederates.woke neoliberals: "Chinese authoritarianism is OPPRESSING the pedophile slavers in Tibet! You have no right to judge their culture, you need to be a soulless new age hippie degenerate like David Lynch"
>>2414874The way I see it, dogmatic purity is a tried and true method of COINTELPRO that doesn’t get talked about enough. I don’t the FBI or CIA earnestly give a fuck about the theoretical differences between Trotskyists and Stalinists or whatever; the idea that having “the correct line” would make these guys quake in their boots is laughable. The only line that matters to them is whether you oppose Capital and the Bourgeois state; that’s it. They’ve happily adopted purity leftists (“ad-hoc committee for a Marxist Leninist Party”) in rhetoric at least for the sake of causing splits. They don’t have any issue invoking the idealized images of Stalin and Mao (and they are idealized on the Left) to wreck. It’s just the purists that refuse to do the inverse.
And the thing is, the purists are ideologically committed to punching left. This ain’t a matter of “you do your thing and I’ll do mine” they will stalk you and try to defame you whatever chance you get. So you may think you’re doing good work and growing by invoking classic American myth—they’ll try to tell everyone who listens that you’re a Klansman, and they won’t stop until they can destroy whatever group you make.
>>2414964See
>>2414987You don’t need feds to wreck the movement, just people that want to follow in Marx’s example
>>2414964There are plenty of real American revolutionaries to appeal to. There is no need to draw from bourgeois mythology. Reference the great American labor organisers like Joe Hill, Eugene Debs and so on.
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https://youtu.be/uRU_ruqnR6Q >>2415004Or hell, even reference the Lincoln Battalion fighting the fascists in Spain. Just don't do this bullshit single-minded bourgeois mythologising of Lincoln.
https://youtu.be/vnzwXVpZGrAWhich side are you on you stupid fuck?
https://youtu.be/VzvH5UZVQU8 >>2414981Oh for sure, though I think the fed hand is overstated a lot of the time. Personally I blame homegrown stupidity mostly.
Take this guy for example:
>>2414918Is he a fed? Probably not. But beyond confusing Washington for Lincoln he’s revealing a hollowness in the supposedly ideologically “pure” Marxists in that he doesn’t fucking understand what “progressive” means in a Marxist context. I know I sound like a broken record at this point, that’s solely because Marxism—say it with me—has become a religion to some of these people in the west. It’s not a tool for analysis of soci-economic reality, it’s a moral system with a proscription for people yourself supposed to “like” and people you’re supposed to hate. “Progressive” is transformed into “good” and “reactionary” becomes “bad.”
The fact is Lincoln was historically progressive. Hell, there’s an argument to be made that manifest destiny as a whole was historically progressive—it was the process of primitive accumulation by extirpating Natives from their traditional way of life and imposing Capitalism on them. Hell, if you read some of the shit the Founders were discussing internally, you’d almost get the impression they had a better understanding of dialectical materialism than most so-called “Marxists” today; one aspect of Jefferson’s thought on colonization was land-use. His attitudes towards natives were openly paternalistic, sure (he literally called them “my children” in some letters IIRC) but his argument was that the whole hunter gatherer form of society used land inefficiently, that by imposing western agricultural practices on them, you could expropriate the land for further use by white settlers to economically develop it while confining natives to a smaller portion of land that he (idealistically, mind you) believed would still meet their needs.
But again, Marxism has morphed into a religion. They see the plight of the Natives in romantic, not materialistic terms (a real American trait going back to our country’s founding, funny enough). So where Engels boasted about the conquest of California by the U.S. and the disappearance of “reactionary peoples”, modern Marxists see the historical development of Capitalism in the terms of an Original Sin we have to atone for. And in a twist of fate, Marxism in turn is reconfigured into a primitivist ideology. Marx himself was surrounded by Socialists who wanted to “turn back the clock” on capitalism, who saw the industrial proletariat as this hideous thing that needed to be dismantled; Marx saw the only way out as through.
And so we’re chained by the ghosts of the past and unable to progress to future forms of society because we’ve got people who unironically want to turn back the clock. It’d be like confining the British Communist movement to the constantly relitigating the conflict with the Diggers/Levelers. We can’t end the exploitation machine, apparently, until we undo the actions of hundreds of years ago and humiliate the thrice removed “beneficiaries” of Capitalism’s bloody birth.
>>2415010>Everyone is COINTELPRO except for me :(Oh please, the feds would be doing shit like
>>2415014 or the anti-woke whining that people like you are always on about. The meta has clearly changed since 2016 and they are probably adapting with the times.
>>2415019> housingWhat? Construction is already a huge industry
> domestic laborPeople can and do hire cleaning crews and maids, i fail to see how either of those are not already industrial
>>2415025COINTELPRO explicitly stated that feds would always try to dilute the mission and goals of leftists orgs and parties so yea, people like you will try to muddy the waters on the type of people we would need to activate for revolution/reform/whatever.
The fact that ACP and Hinkle is fixated on MAGA/rural whites is a weathervane of how the glowly shit will be moving for the next few years
>>2415009What are you blabbering about
>>2414874>>2415010>>2414964>>2415014>>2414874>>2414987 >>2415014>>2414874Purity is a liberal dirty word used by dirty liberals who failed to meet the minimum for being a decent human being, and now want to bitch and moan about how asking for them to stop committing to a genocide is far too much. The word purity does not belong in anti-revisionist and anti-opportunist discourse.
>Actually, saying we need to appeal to MORE people and meet them where they’re at is fed cause… cause it is!<press X to doubtThe same old excuse as per usual
>>2415010Lincoln was definitely progressive. But manifest destiny? Marx and Engels were always opposed to it, despite that famous quote about taking california from mexico which Engels says was sarcastic in letters to Marx
Engels in the New York Daily Tribune:
>"The war against Mexico was a war of conquest, a war to extend the area of slavery."and In The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State, Engels says:
>"The expulsion and extermination of the tribes from their native soil went hand in hand with the theft of their lands by the ‘civilized’ intruders." >>2415018did you already memory hole the NJ drones at the end of last year? the Podesta-Clinton emails discussing disclosure? the insane 2023 David Grusch congressional hearing? the US space force choosing Huntsville AL, notoriously a center of gravity in the MJ12 conspiracy, as its headquarters? the Trump BBB giving LHM more than half a trillion to construct a "GOLDEN DOME"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glw76YKuWCYwe are far from being so arrogant to assert our American global empire is behaving in a predictable manner when the American electorate has voted Trump president nearly three fucking times in a row. if you call yourself a leftist and do not comprehend how the alleged reverse engineered technologies the MIC have at their disposal are directly related to the means of production, just unalive yourself now because you are obviously not mentally mature to handle what we have good reason to suspect is coming in the very, very near future considering our western hegemony elite couldn't care less Trump is speedrunning the mask off democracy and capitalism
>>2415029Okay so to you, the mission and goal of leftists is to be the annoying guy at thanksgiving saying “you’re celebrating a genocide!”
It occurs to me that you think ideas literally move history. That’s the only real way to explain this. The data is in that even among minority groups there’s broadly
some pride for America, but rather than using that or rhetorically invoking the founding fathers or constitution, no matter how cynically, you’re terrified that that’ll somehow create in the real world some capitalistic forms of exploitation, because again you think ideas are the driver of history and that invoking “bad ideas” will have negative repercussions in the real world.
We’ve had, what, 40 years of the new Left doing its “fuck Amerikkka” shtick, and in that time have they made any progress at all? Have they grown or plateaued? Your ideas have been hegemonic on the left for decades now, and despite us having plenty of opportunities to galvanize class struggle, you’ve been dabbed on by DemSocs and Fascists.
>>2415038People, especially the proletariat, don't fucking care about these minute details at all.
The big problem with CPUSAnon's approach is that rationalizing or using historical figures to convince people to be leftists is silly if you aren't trying to tailor mate to your audience. White people like CPUSAnon love Lincoln but not other races but haggling about how progressive Lincoln is is silly and quite patronizing. Just use other historical figures should tailor to their sensibilities. Harriet for blacks. Mother Jones for feminists. Keller for disability rights people etc etc.
Unless the universal figure we should champion is an american or explicitly socialist like Debs, Reed or Sinclair, this topic is just a way for CPUSAnon to shadowbox people he is seething at on twitter.
>>2415053>People know when they're being pandered toNot really, people love to be pandered to. Advertising companies has that shit down to a science.
But that is tangent to my main point. If people don't like Lincoln for XYZ, then don't double down and accuse them of being "the annoying guy at thanksgiving saying “you’re celebrating a genocide!”". Just figure out who is your target audience and re-calibrate. You should never use historical figures you personally like to convince others, but the historical figures they like.
>>2415045>the mission and goal of leftists is to be the annoying guy at thanksgiving saying “you’re celebrating a genocide!”Stiff mind you have there. Your imagination could use some more work.
>The data is in that even among minority groups there’s broadly some pride for AmericaYeah, some pride. But those prideful are being slowly replaced by their much less prideful descendants.
>but rather than using that or rhetoricallyUsing that would be regressive, especially when we already have a youth in our side that rejects such invocations
>because again you think ideas are the driver of historyNo one has stated this
>We’ve had, what, 40 years of the new Left doing its “fuck Amerikkka” shtick, and in that time have they made any progress at all? Confidence in the government is at its lowest. People are rejecting the two parties and openly declaring their hatred towards the upper class for the atrocities they have committed under the capitalist system. I’d say it’s been a massive success.
>Your ideas have been hegemonic on the left for decades nowAnd they will only continue to strengthen in their reach.
>and despite us having plenty of opportunities to galvanize class struggle, you’ve been dabbed on by DemSocs and Fascists.The only thing those two groups of liberals dabbed on is themselves. Demsocs had the ball, then flubbed it and opened the way for communists. And the overt fascists (liberals) have already completely lobotomized themselves in 2016, and now they’re about to fall off a cliff thinking they can fly.
Despite what the naysayers and the pessimists spout about them, the communists are doing better than ever, even in these dreadful times.
>>2415060https://youtu.be/LYC6XJz1klIThe trouble is that Cointelpro breeds paranoia and cultishness which is acid to any mass movement.
Ultimately though, the imperial core can only afford such a massive intelligence apparatus because of imperial super-profits. So IMO fighting Cointelpro means fighting state-monopoly capital, re-industrializing the imperial core and proletarianizing the petty-bourgeoisie and the reserve pool of labor.
I don't know how to organize this kind of struggle though. But IMO it's all tied up with artificial scarcity. The surplus oranges burnt to keep the prices up are not separate from the killing of surplus workers.
This doesn't mean bring back factories to the imperial core. But we do need a strategy. Not sure how to do it.
>>2415088You can be a Nazi and also have protectionist instincts sometimes.
>>2415089Pretending? There's nothing pretend about Zionist fascism, actual retard.
>>2415113>he thinks communism is about “the masses”RETARD ALERT
RETARD ALERT
>>2415068>Yeah, some pride. But those prideful are being slowly replaced by their much less prideful descendants.That’s wishcasting. Yes there’s a lowered pride, in no small part because of the generalized cynicism of born from neoliberalism. You’re
hoping that this glacial trend will become the majority such that you won’t have to make any changes to your approach.
>Using that would be regressive, especially when we already have a youth in our side that rejects such invocationsExcept you don’t have that. Not even close. Yeah 41% say they have pride in their country; yet “I don’t have pride in America” doesn’t mean “I’m a communist” as it can easily shift to just plain old fascism. “I don’t have pride in my country cause it’s run by Jews” or whatever.
>Confidence in the government is at its lowest. People are rejecting the two parties and openly declaring their hatred towards the upper class for the atrocities they have committed under the capitalist system. I’d say it’s been a massive success.No offense but this seems like conjuring fantasies here. Yes more than ever they’re rejecting the big two parties; but as it stands there hasn’t been any viable vehicle on the left to take that discontent—it’s not dissimilar to Italy, all that discontent and no leadership just means fascism takes over. While the phrase “Fascism is Capitalism in Decay” is undoubtedly more popular, it can also be thought of as emerging when Socialism passes its expiration date: no revolutionary left capable of leading in the midst of a crisis, people flock to a “leader” who promises to rescue the country.
>And they will only continue to strengthen in their reach.Yeah mold tends to fester on expired fruit.
>The only thing those two groups of liberals dabbed on is themselves. Demsocs had the ball, then flubbed it and opened the way for communists. And the overt fascists (liberals) have already completely lobotomized themselves in 2016, and now they’re about to fall off a cliff thinking they can fly.As it stands with shit like Zohran it seems blatantly obvious that the DSA and DemSocs seem to be growing, don’t see Communists achieving even remotely similar gains. Again, this is just coming across as fantasizing; this imaginary world where people are broadly rejecting the DSA for being “Rosa killers” or whatever and becoming communists. Meanwhile all I can see of Fascism is it’s steady, creeping growth; yeah the “altright” are social outcasts that are going nowhere, but shit like AfD or National Front seem like palpable threats.
Seriously, if you’re saying fascism isn’t on the rise because the alt right ate shit in 2016, then radical socialism seems to presently occupy a space mirroring theirs, it’s not this vitalized ideology going from victory to victory.
>>2415124Unironically the dominant “strategy” if it can be called that is the left hoping it can win through sheer inertia. The smugness is just unreal; it’s imagining that you can force people into a position if their back is to the wall as though they even know who you are or that they’ll see you as the only one who can save them. It’s like a guy who decides to sell life jackets, but says he ain’t gonna advertise because “well a ship is bound to sink eventually, climate change will cause flooding, people will be asking for life jackets then!”
We’re gonna end up with another “first them, then us!” Fiasco. Though I see people stupidly argue “well they were right because communists ran east Germany after Nazis lost the war!”
>>2415049>The big problem with CPUSAnon's approach is that rationalizing or using historical figures to convince people to be leftists is silly if you aren't trying to tailor mate to your audience. White people like CPUSAnon love Lincoln but not other races but haggling about how progressive Lincoln is is silly and quite patronizing.Lincoln’s popularity among modern Americans is 80%. Behind him is JFK, then George Washington at 70%.
See this kind of harkens back to Communists being broadly detached from the masses. Lincoln is broadly beloved by the vast majority of Americans, and yet because Communism segregates itself to insular communities, we’re acting like Natives and Black people dislike him en masse. I mean you can talk about me shadowboxing people on Twitter (I don’t browse it and the takes I’ve pushed against are more or less dominant on here and in leftist orgs I’ve spent time in) but this is more like cheering for a sports team that doesn’t exist. “Black people and Natives that hate Lincoln” aren’t a demographically significant group. One gets the impression it is because discourse on the Left is pulled by the gravity of the academy, not the masses.
>>2415128>wishcastingThat’s a reality check. For you.
>Yes there’s a lowered prideA much lowered pride that is continuing to drop
>in no small part because of the generalized cynicism of born from neoliberalismNot just neoliberalism. Liberalism as a whole. The capitalist system as a whole.
>You’re hoping I’m knowing
>that this glacial trend will become the majorityIt already is
> Except you don’t have that. Not even close. Yeah 41% say they have pride in their countryThose polls always run conservative
>yet “I don’t have pride in America” doesn’t mean “I’m a communist”It doesn’t necessarily mean, but it probably does.
>as it can easily shift to just plain old fascismThere is nothing that indicates that whatsoever. Quite the opposite in fact.
>I don’t have pride in my country cause it’s run by Jews” or whatever.You quoted the words of a dying breed. I don’t know why or have you’ve deluded yourself into thinking these people have regained their previous popularity, but it’s honestly concerning.
>No offense but this seems like conjuring fantasies here.Curious statement from someone who thinks fascists are the new hot shit.
>Yes more than ever they’re rejecting the big two parties; but as it stands there hasn’t been any viable vehicle on the left to take that discontentThe Proletariat are the vehicle
>it’s not dissimilar to Italy, all that discontent and no leadership just means fascism takes overFascism has been the United States bread and butter for years, and is a very different beast to Italy.
>While the phrase “Fascism is Capitalism in Decay” is undoubtedly more popularAnd will soon be replaced with “fascism is just liberalism with a different name”
>it can also be thought of as emerging when Socialism passes its expiration dateWhat a nonsensical statement. An expiration date for socialism? What is this ridiculousness you spew at me?
>no revolutionary left capable of leading in the midst of a crisis, people flock to a “leader” who promises to rescue the country.No one is flocking to a “leader”, and I dare you to point at one.
>Yeah mold tends to fester on expired fruit.And I suppose the fruit is supposed to be “social democracy” or “democratic socialism”? Hilarious.
>As it stands with shit like Zohran it seems blatantly obvious that the DSA and DemSocs seem to be growingNot for long. The proletariat who are convinced will recoil from them and their inevitable betrayal soon enough.
>don’t see Communists achieving even remotely similar gainsThat’s because you don’t pay attention to anything other than performances.
>rejecting the DSA for being “Rosa killers”Silly thought, and a demonstration of your ignorance for what the communists actually say. The communists say that the proletariat are disillusioned because they aren’t getting results from the DSA, and they see that the system shows itself to be and more dysfunctional and corrupted every day. The only thing the DSA offers is a stab in the back, and they are realizing this in full. They are shifting away from putting down votes, and are now taking up arms instead.
>Meanwhile all I can see of Fascism is it’s steady, creeping growthYou see growth, I see a death grip. They aren’t growing, they’re gathering for a final stand against the world.
>Seriously, if you’re saying fascism isn’t on the rise because the alt right ate shit in 2016It not on the rise, it is panicked and its bunkering down. You think they’re trying to censor down the internet for no reason? They are scared. They are very scared. They are shit in 2016 in the same way a dying cult has only it’s fanatics left.
>then radical socialism seems1 to presently occupy a space mirroring theirsAnother nonsensical statement.
>>2415157>Lincoln’s popularity among modern Americans is 80%. Behind him is JFK, then George Washington at 70%. Very questionable
>>2415195>points to no trendThe drop in patriotism
The dropping of two party membership
The abysmal approval ratings
The entire Epstein situation and it’s persistent spread
The general disapproval of ICE
The increased hatred of Israel
The increased disapproval of so called “centrists”
The general acknowledgement of climate change that runs counter to fascist narratives
Increased acab support
>Well, good luck in the camps I guess.Those already exist, but I’m not surprised of your ignorance
>>2415244>America First<Christ is Kingwhat was that verse about not being able to serve two masters
>666K followerslol
>>2415244>>2415231I forgot that this dude was "moldbug." I still don't know who that it but it vaguely rings a bell now I've heard some of the /ISG/ Thiel-schizo type posters drop that name over the years. Otherwise I don't think I heard the name Yarvin since last year.
The Exercise of Hobbit Power | Curtis YarvinGod I hate the Gen X nerds.
A top aide to President Donald Trump on Sunday accused India of effectively financing Russia's war in Ukraine by purchasing oil from Moscow, after the U.S. leader escalated pressure on New Delhi to stop buying Russian oil.
"What he (Trump) said very clearly is that it is not acceptable for India to continue financing this war by purchasing the oil from Russia," said Stephen Miller, deputy chief of staff at the White House and one of Trump's most influential aides.
Miller's criticism was some of the strongest yet by the Trump administration about one of the United States' major partners in the Indo-Pacific.
"People will be shocked to learn that India is basically tied with China in purchasing Russian oil. That's an astonishing fact," Miller said on Fox News' "Sunday Morning Futures."
https://www.reuters.com/world/india/top-trump-aide-accuses-india-financing-russias-war-ukraine-2025-08-03/>>2415176the west is a lost cause. give up on communism. your own family/friends/coworkers haven't woken up and by the time they do, we'll be neck deep into WW3 and full God Emperor Trump martial law to enforce the draft throughout the west. the only hope for humanity is China and its allies. the best we could do is sacrifice ourselves to gum up the cogs in the machine. move on.
the next frontier is NHI and reverse engineered weapons of celestial destruction. if you're a leftist without the part in your brain numbed by cornsyrup to be open minded to the existence of NHI and its ongoing interactions with humans, you should have the curiosity to look into the greatest American conspiracy of all time with an ounce of good faith before you dismiss it as a "psyop" or "distraction" before you even learn what the evidence is, not just oral testimony, piling up for more than a century.
https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-retrieved-non-human-craft/the patents for exotic propulsion and consciousness technologies are already trickling out. this is not a fucking joke. it's real and you have your heads in the sand.
>>2415128>As it stands with shit like Zohran it seems blatantly obvious that the DSA and DemSocs seem to be growing, don’t see Communists achieving even remotely similar gains. WHen I see American politicians effectively tap into American traditions, it's less historical figures but deep-rooted ideology which Americans vibe with. MLK's "dream" and Mamdani tapping into the "dream" language appropriates the "American Dream" without explicitly saying that. Also the country is an immigrant melting pot (New York City especially) and there's an interesting way this appeals to these immigrants who came to the United States in the first place.
>>2415194>"Tried to" being the key term here because they ran off after some guy snuck up on their formation from behind and beat the shit out of one of them. Is there video of this?
>>2415294Ehhhh if you ask me, collaborating with the people is way more important than the broader radical left. Hell part of my critique is the left is far removed from the people; the academic terms and weird internecine struggles are both a symptom and a negative feedback loop of that.
It’s sort of like the term “LatinX”, actual Hispanic people just think it’s gringo horseshit and they’re right, it’s stupid, it speaks to no majority of people, however there are circles where “LatinX” is part of the lingua franca—and God help you if you use the phrase “Latino”
>Yarvin believes that real political power in the United States is held by something he calls "the Cathedral", an informal amalgam of universities and the mainstream press, which collude to sway public opinion.[44] According to him, a so-called "Brahmin" social class (in reference to the Brahmin class of India's caste system and the American Boston Brahmins) dominates American society, preaching progressive values to the masses. The socio-religious analogy originates from Yarvin's opinion that the progressive ideology of the Cathedral is delivered to and internalized by the general populace much in the same way religious authorities and institutions deliver religious dogma to fanatical worshippers. Yarvin and the Dark Enlightenment or Neo-reactionary movement (sometimes abbreviated to "NRx") assert that the Cathedral's commitment to equality and justice erodes social order.[45] He advocates an American "monarch" dissolving elite academic institutions and media outlets within the first few months of their reign.[22]
>Drawing on computer metaphors, Yarvin contends that society needs a "hard reset" or a "rebooting", not a series of gradual political reforms.[46] Instead of activism, he advocates passivism, claiming that progressivism would fail without right-wing opposition.[47] According to him, NRx adherents should design "new architectures of exit" rather than engage in ineffective political activism.[48]
>Yarvin argues for a "neo-cameralist" philosophy based on Frederick the Great of Prussia's cameralism.[7] In Yarvin's view, democratic governments are inefficient and wasteful and should be replaced with sovereign joint-stock corporations whose "shareholders" (large owners) elect an executive with total power, but who must serve at their pleasure.[46] The executive, unencumbered by liberal-democratic procedures, could rule efficiently much like a CEO-monarch.[46] Yarvin admires Chinese leader Deng Xiaoping for his pragmatic and market-oriented authoritarianism, and the city-state of Singapore as an example of a successful authoritarian regime. He sees the United States as soft on crime, dominated by economic and democratic delusions.[45]
>Yarvin supports authoritarianism on right-libertarian grounds, claiming that the division of political sovereignty expands the scope of the state, whereas strong governments with clear hierarchies remain minimal and narrowly focused.[45] According to scholar Joshua Tait, "Moldbug imagines a radical libertarian utopia with maximum freedom in all things except politics."[49] He has favored same-sex marriage, freedom of religion, and private use of drugs, and has written against race- or gender-based discriminatory laws, although, according to Tait, "he self-consciously proposed private welfare and prison reforms that resembled slavery".[46] Tait describes Yarvin's writing as contradictory, saying:[31]
>He advocates hierarchy, yet deeply resents cultural elites. His political vision is futuristic and libertarian, yet expressed in the language of monarchy and reaction. He is irreligious and socially liberal on many issues but angrily anti-progressive. He presents himself as a thinker searching for truth but admits to lying to his readers, saturating his arguments with jokes and irony. These tensions indicate broader fissures among the online Right.
>Under his Moldbug pseudonym, Yarvin gave a talk about "rebooting" the American government at the 2012 BIL Conference. He used it to advocate the acronym "RAGE", which he defined as "Retire All Government Employees". He described what he felt were flaws in the accepted "World War II mythology", alluding to the idea that Adolf Hitler's invasions were acts of self-defense. He argued these discrepancies were pushed by America's "ruling communists", who invented political correctness as an "extremely elaborate mechanism for persecuting racists and fascists".[50] "If Americans want to change their government," he said, "they're going to have to get over their dictator phobia."[51]
>In the inaugural article published on Unqualified Reservations in 2007, entitled "A formalist manifesto", Yarvin called his concept of aligning property rights with political power "formalism", that is, the formal recognition of realities of the existing power, which should eventually be replaced in his view by a new ideology that rejects progressive doctrines transmitted by the Cathedral.[49][52] Yarvin's first use of the term "neoreactionary" to describe his project occurred in 2008.[53][54] His ideas have also been described by Dylan Matthews of Vox as "neo-monarchist".[15]
>Yarvin suggested in a January 2025 New York Times interview that there was historical precedent to support his reasoning, asserting that in his first inaugural address Franklin Delano Roosevelt "essentially says, Hey, Congress, give me absolute power, or I'll take it anyway. So did FDR actually take that level of power? Yeah, he did." The interviewer, David Marchese, remarked that "Yarvin relies on what those sympathetic to his views might see as a helpful serving of historical references — and what others see as a highly distorting mix of gross oversimplification, cherry-picking and personal interpretation presented as fact."[1]
>Yarvin has alleged that whites have higher autism scores than blacks for genetic reasons. He has been described as a modern-day supporter of slavery, a description he disputes.[73][18] He has claimed that some races are more suited to slavery than others.[18] In a post that linked approvingly to Steve Sailer and Jared Taylor, he wrote: "It should be obvious that, although I am not a white nationalist, I am not exactly allergic to the stuff."[7][74] In 2009, he wrote that since American civil rights programs were "applied to populations with recent hunter-gatherer ancestry and no great reputation for sturdy moral fiber", the result was "absolute human garbage".[19]
>Peter Thiel was an investor in Yarvin's startup Tlon and gave $100,000 to Tlon's co-founder John Burnham in 2011.[55][56] In 2016, Yarvin privately asserted to Milo Yiannopoulos that he had been "coaching Thiel" and that he had watched the 2016 U.S. presidential election at Thiel's house.[57] In his writings, Yarvin has pointed to a 2009 essay by Thiel, in which the latter declared: "I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible …. Since 1920, the vast increase in welfare beneficiaries and the extension of the franchise to women—two constituencies that are notoriously tough for libertarians—have rendered the notion of 'capitalist democracy' into an oxymoron."[58]
>Yarvin's ideas have been influential among right-libertarians and paleolibertarians, and the public discourses of prominent investors like Thiel have echoed Yarvin's project of seceding from the United States to establish tech-CEO dictatorships.[59][56] Journalist Jonathan Wilson has described Yarvin as an obscure far-right thinker with "a serious intellectual influence on key figures in Donald Trump's coming administration".[2] Venture capitalist Marc Andreessen, an informal adviser to Donald Trump, has spoken approvingly of Yarvin's thinking.[1] Political strategist Steve Bannon has read and admired his work.[20] Vice-president JD Vance has cited Yarvin as an influence, saying in 2021, "So there's this guy Curtis Yarvin who has written about these things", which included "Retire All Government Employees" or RAGE, written in 2012. Vance said that if Trump became president again, "I think what Trump should do, if I was giving him one piece of advice: Fire every single midlevel bureaucrat, every civil servant in the administrative state, and replace them with our people. And when the courts stop you, stand before the country and say, 'The chief justice has made his ruling. Now let him enforce it.'"[21][60]
>CNN noted that Thiel, Andreessen, Vance, and Anton don't deny that they are listening to Yarvin, but they have indicated that they do not accept all of his theories: "An advisor to Vance denied the vice president has a close relationship with Yarvin, saying the two have met 'like once.' Thiel, who did not respond to a request for comment, told The Atlantic in 2023 he didn't think Yarvin's ideas would 'work' but found him to be an 'interesting and powerful' historian. And earlier this year, Andreessen, who also did not respond to a request for comment, posted on X that one can read 'Yarvin without becoming a monarchist.'"[61]
>Investor Balaji Srinivasan has also echoed Yarvin's ideas of techno-corporate cameralism. He advocated in a 2013 speech a "society run by Silicon Valley … an opt-in society, ultimately outside the US, run by technology".[62][56]
>In a May 2021 conversation, Anton said Yarvin was arguing that a president could "gain power lawfully through an election, and then exercise it unlawfully". Yarvin replied, "It wouldn't be unlawful. You'd simply declare a state of emergency in your inaugural address", adding, "you'd actually have a mandate to do this. Where would that mandate come from? It would come from basically running on it, saying, 'Hey, this is what we're going to do.'" He continued that if a hypothetical authoritarian president were to take office in January 2025, "you can't continue to have a Harvard or a New York Times past since perhaps the start of April" because "the idea that you're going to be a Caesar and take power and operate with someone else's Department of Reality in operation is just manifestly absurd. Machiavelli could tell you right away that that's a stupid idea."[2]
>>2415294Reminder that Anarchists are not leftists and never have been, and that they are widely despised by all civilized people and workers. Collaborating with them is not only dangerous but also counterproductive.
There is a reason why every successful leftist movement has hunted anarchists to extinction.
They are nothing more than bandits and they have no place in society.
>>2415318Deng: I'm a communist using market reforms to build up productive forces
Anti-Deng communists: Deng was an authoritarian capitalist and that's bad
Yarvin: Deng was an authoritarian capitalist and that's good
>>2415333Yes yes tell us again about how you're going to kill all anarchists and establish a permanent police state to prevent anarchism from ever being a thing again, because that worked wonders the last time.
>and that they are widely despised by all civilized people and workersParticularly humorous assertion when in the west especially anarchists have far more mainstream appeal with ordinary people than their communist counterparts. But I guess most westerners aren't "civilized people" or something so that doesn't really count
>>2415343Mao was anarchist starting out and a lot of communists are.
>shoot their families for guilt by associationbait or mental illness
>>2415344Mao was an anarchist for all of six months and he quickly realized how retarded it was and became a communist, and this was before internet and with barely any books too. Modern anarchists literally have no excuse
>crying about collective punishmentIn a collectivist state crimes affect the entire community and represent a failure on the part of the family unit to instill communist ethics. This is not controversial, even during the Russian Civil War the Bolsheviks regularly made use of collective punishment to cower reactionaries and prevent their tendencies from passing on to the wider population. Without internal security communism is impossible
>>2415357The problem is that the Bolsheviks didn't do enough purging and repression. Khrushchev released and rehabilitated all the fascists and capitalist roaders which allowed them to take up prominent positions in society. Gorbachev, for example, was the son of Kulaks who should have never been allowed anywhere near the seats of power but because his family was rehabilitated he was allowed to operate without any prejudice.
They also stopped purging the party and let people like Yakovlev slowly gather power even when they were openly anti-communist.
>>2415368purges of the 30s were retarded because it killed a lot of sincere communists for no reason just before hitler invaded
revisionism of the 60s was retarded because it rehabilitated actual anti comunists
simple as
>>2415357>>2415368In my opinion it was doomed from the beginning.
<WW1 leaves Russia less developed than it was before WW1<there is 2 revolutions in 1 years<bolsheviks take power<civil war where western powers invade with a coalition of 14 countries<country is now even more fucked<need to do things like "war communism" and "NEP" just to stay afloat<german revolution fails<internal power struggle in the party all through the 20s<rapid industrialization and purges through the 30s<climate-caused famine in ukraine which gets called a man made famine by bourgeois propagandists<purges of military officials just before nazi germany invades<operation barbarossa almost reaches moscow and kills hundreds of thousands<win WW2 but come out of it a lot weaker<Western capitalists put up iron curtain but blame you for it<capitalist ailgned countries get that juicy marshall plan money but you have to refuse it because it comes with strings attached (like privatization)<stalin dies<destalinization and khruschevite revisionism<cuban missile crisis and vietnam leaves you footing the bill for 3rd world conflicts<sino soviet split puts the only other major communist power on america's side against you<brezhnev era failure to take advantage of modern computing through OGAS<operation cyclone baits you into a costly war defending a fledgling ally in afghanistan<decay, collapse, liberalization under perestroika spearheaded by gorbachev<yeltsinism loots the corpse of the USSR<NATO continues expanding eastward, destroys yugoslavia, and baits former soviet countries like Russia and Ukraine into fighting each otherNeither the USSR nor its bourgeois successors could ever catch a single geopolitical break. it's easy to forget that the USSR was basically "what if the paris commune lasted 80 years instead of 4 months" it was truly an uphill battle every step of the way by a lone country calling itself socialist (let's not debate whether it really was, that's boring) in a capitalist world.
>>2415343Leftypol
"Online screeds calling for the death of people weve never met"
>>2415372The purges cannot be thought of as one thing. The original purges in the 20s were good because they got rid of the capitalist roaders and all the damage done by Lenin's disastrous NEP.
The Yezov purges were an intentional Trotskyite plan to weaken the USSR and leave it open to Nazi invasion. The purges of the army were correct, if somewhat overzealous.
>>2415378The state is literally an instrument of terror and oppression of one class by another. A dictatorship of the proletariat exists specifically to repress and terrorize the bourgeoisie and all bourgeois elements. This is why Communist states must slowly work towards the withering away of the state, which can only be done once all counter revolutionary elements are liquidated.
>>2415361But you have the money and resources to keep putting out all this other shit? Or at least the gall to keep asking people to donate and buy shit from stores while pretending that it can't ever be spent on things that will get you more money later.
Fuck what about asking local town councils or the like for grant money?
>>2415415>Lenin's disastrous NEP. Lenin's reasoning:
< we made the mistake of deciding to go over directly to communist production and distribution. We thought that under the surplus-food appropriation system the peasants would provide us with the required quantity of grain, which we could distribute among the factories and thus achieve communist production and distribution.
<I cannot say that we pictured this plan as definitely and as clearly as that; but we acted approximately on those lines. That, unfortunately, is a fact. I say unfortunately, because brief experience convinced us that that line was wrong, that it ran counter to what we had previously written about the transition from capitalism to socialism, namely, that it would be impossible to bypass the period of socialist accounting and control in approaching even the lower stage of communism. Ever since 1917, when the problem of taking power arose and the Bolsheviks explained it to the whole people, our theoretical literature has been definitely stressing the necessity for a prolonged, complex transition through socialist accounting and control from capitalist society (and the less developed it is the longer the transition will take) to even one of the approaches to communist society.https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1921/oct/17.htmWhat should he have done differently?
In the 20th century, workers had SOLIDARITY, but today what we need is LIQUIDARITY, a dynamic, free-flowing value mesh where alignment isn’t fixed, it’s contextually emergent. In this post-certainty era, we no longer organize around static roles, but fluid capabilities. Hierarchy is a legacy artifact. We operate on a decentralized lattice of trust nodes, governed by intentional ambiguity and hyper-collaborative drift. We don’t build teams anymore, we activate swarms. These swarms operate within a scaffolding of cloud-based psychological safety, enabling asynchronous intimacy at scale. Our mission is not to succeed, it’s to resonate with iterative potential. It’s not about KPIs, it’s about OKR-fluidity and purpose adaptability. What gets measured gets gamified, but what gets felt? That gets monetized. We've sunset the concept of “employee.” Everyone is now a self-curated micro-entity, navigating their own journey across the ecosystem of belonging. Contracts are replaced with relational understandings. Loyalty is outdated, we value real-time alignment to transient vision clusters. Leadership isn’t about decision-making anymore. It’s about curating vibes. We don't give answers, we facilitate momentum. We are not managers, we are energy stewards. Let me be clear: this isn’t just change. It’s a paradigm liquefaction. And together, we will flow upward.
>>2415465“Zen fascism?”
chuckles softly, places palms together in performative mindfulness I appreciate the provocation. But let me be abundantly translucent: what we’re doing isn’t coercion it’s opt-in omnidirectionality. See, in the legacy paradigm, power was imposed vertically. What we’re enabling is distributed influence with centralized intentionality. It's not control…
it's curated empowerment. If you're feeling discomfort, that’s not oppression. That’s growth friction. It’s the body’s natural response to rapid vibrational elevation. We're not erasing individuality; we're sublimating it into shared becoming. So no, it’s not zen fascism. It’s conscious harmonization through scalable empathy.
Big difference. >>2415421That's a fair point. I guess I worry about putting in the time and having nothing to show for it. Of course all my other preferred jobs are probably even more unreachable.
I don't know, just venting I guess.
>>2415472>how do i join your linkedin seminarAh, beautiful question, thank you for leaning into the curiosity space. Joining our LinkedIn seminar isn’t about signing up, it’s about showing up as your most ecosystemic self. Step one: reframe your mindset from attendance to presence. Then, navigate to our LinkedIn Experience Hub, not the Events tab, that’s legacy, and locate the Live Sync Portal™ under “Transpersonal Co-Growth Opportunities.” There, click “Resonate”, not “Register”, and you’ll be auto-onboarded into our Human-Centered Engagement Spiral™. Make sure your bio includes at least three of your evolving why-narratives, and don’t forget to upload a values-forward headshot, ideally bathed in sunrise lighting to reflect your inner agility. Once you’re in, we’ll drop you into a breakout intention cluster based on your current alignment frequency. No slides. No deliverables. Just radical alignment and peer-to-peer unfoldment. See you in the liminal gridspace.
>>2415459In the 20th century, workers had SOLIDARITY, but today what we need is LIQUIDARITY,
I agree we should start to liquidate the booj and their accomplices more.
>>2415484>I agree we should start to liquidate the booj and their accomplices more.Smiles with practiced serenity, tilts head just enough to signal compassionate recalibration. I hear you, truly. And I honor the energetic intensity you're bringing into the space. But let’s take a step back from the language of force and lean into the organic unfoldment of systemic unstructuring. See, we don’t need to liquidate anyone.
The booj, as you call them, are already undergoing spontaneous disintegration within the liquidity matrix. Institutions are self-melting. Power is dissolving from the inside out via sustained exposure to transparency solvents and collaborative osmosis. What we’re witnessing isn’t a revolution. It’s a gradual percolation of obsolescence. Hierarchies are composting. Gatekeepers are becoming signal noise. The accomplices? They're already pivoting into unpaid brand ambassadors of their own irrelevance. So rather than liquidate people, we liquidate formats. We don’t burn the castle, we dematerialize the blueprints through intentional detachment. Trust the process. Everything that can’t flow… is already evaporating. That, my friend, is what liquidarity is truly about.
>>2415399I get that they faced a very difficult geopolitical environment, but a Socialist country will always face that due to the very nature of the Global Capitalist-Imperialist System, and if the USSR would have done just a few things differently they could have still existed today, and would of even had a serious chance of becoming a Global Socialist Federation (the Global USSR that I talk about so much as the logical goal of the World Maoist PPW), the mistakes that immediately come to mind were the failure to launch a true Cultural Revolution to root out the Three Reactionary Cancers of Religion (Stalin should have never gave the Russian Orthodox Church even a shred of legitimacy, as they should of been completely banned with no exceptions as a vestige of Czarist Feudal Reaction), Revisionism (Stalin should have sent Khrushchev and his Revisionist buddies to the Gulag), and Russian Nationalism (even small seemingly symbolic things like changing the USSRs anthem from “The International” to a Anthem with obvious Great Russian Chauvinist undertones were a massive mistake that sewed the seeds for the downfall of the USSR, due to the misguided insinuation which the Khrushchevite Revisionists embraced that it was just a “Russian Empire with Red paint” instead of the Proto-Global Socialist Federation as it was meant to be), which ultimately destroyed them from the inside in the form of the Khrushchevite Revisionist clique which culminated in the Gorbachev “Reforms” and the rise of Yelstin which completely dismantled the vestiges of the USSR, and as I alluded to above, the USSR should have explicitly been viewed as Proto-Global Socialist Federation that would eventually cover the entire Planet once Global Socialism was established, which meant that all the Eastern Bloc States should have joined the USSR as SSRs, and the PRC should have joined the USSR as a Chinese SFSR (their probably would have been separate Uyghur and Tibetan SSRs, based on the National Delimitation Policy of the USSR), and the DPRK and North Vietnam should have joined as SSRs as well, with Mao being chosen as Stalin’s successor, meaning that a Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution would have taken place throughout the entire USSR, and Mao would have probably Nuked the U$ during the Cuban Missile Crisis, thus causing a World Maoist PPW that would have created a Global USSR (The SSRs and SFSRs of the Global USSR are shown in the map I posted, and I plan on posting an improved version of this Map by the end of this month, which will finally divide Sub-Saharan Africa into an appropriate number of SSRs based on its Ethno-Linguistic demographics, which I have been thoroughly researching over the last few months) and placed the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, but this never happened because the Racist Russian Nationalist Khrushchevite Revisionist Clique couldn’t stomach the thought of the USSR being run by a Chinese Man, and losing its East Slavic majority demographics, by letting every Socialist State become an SSR or SFSR (in the case of China), so they let their Great Russian Chauvinism stunt the USSRs potential to be a Global Socialist Federation that would of Liberated the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World and placed them on the Shining Path to Communism, and ultimately doomed the USSR to a pathetic collapse, and now the two largest East Slavic nations (Russia and Ukraine), are two Fascist shitholes (one Vlasovite and one Banderite) slaughtering each other over some stupid border dispute, so this is the ultimate victory of Racist Russian Nationalist Khrushchevite Revisionism, 😂🤣🤢🤮✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
>>2415498IMO the world-spanning Union of socialist republics would be impossible to operate even accounting for the future advances in technology.
A better idea would be an Earth Confederation, consisting out of 7-10 near-independent "Soviet Unions", with each "Soviet Union" covering a whole continent or a large chunk of it, and in turn containing a few dozen SSRs.
>>2415304>WHen I see American politicians effectively tap into American traditions, it's less historical figures but deep-rooted ideology which Americans vibe with. MLK's "dream" and Mamdani tapping into the "dream" language appropriates the "American Dream" without explicitly saying that. Also the country is an immigrant melting pot (New York City especially) and there's an interesting way this appeals to these immigrants who came to the United States in the first place.Well yeah, that's what I'm getting at or trying to. Every group develops its own lingo over time, but the thing about a mass-group and mass-action is that it needs to share a common language. As it stands, I see the way Communists speak (to each other and to others) as simultaneously a symptom of its insularity as well as propelling said insularity into a negative feedback loop. The more "communist" a person tries to be in their speech or aesthetics, the further they get from the people, and the more that insularity develops unabated.
Let me give a (hopefully) uncontroversial example: LatinX. Most Hispanics I know roll their eyes at the term, plenty think its stupid, extremely few of them actually use it. It comes across as weird gringo obsessions trying to impose themselves on others. You look at polling on it and it says much the same thing. Yet within this narrow circle of Academia, the phrase LatinX isn't just used, but if you respond with the much more natural "Latino", you may in fact get people tut-tutting and trying to "correct" your term.
>"Um, acktually, we say 'LatinX' here, Latino is a gendered term."It's not something that emerges from the culture, it's another culture, an insular and academic one, attempting to talk about subjects outside of its narrow circle. It comes across as frankly artificial and ridiculous, and while not being the sole cause for someone despising academia, it's simply the first gap between subject and institution that can be pried wider with diligent propaganda; you start with "LatinX" and then you paint this whole image of pencil-necked professors trying to lecture "Hard-Working Mexicans" while they're just trying to do their job:
>"Jorge? Jorge? Could you not refer to the roof as 'El Techo'? That's needlessly gendering it. Maybe call it Tech-X? Anyways, get back to work and please don't take any sparkling water from the fridge, it's very expensive and I'll ask you to reimburse me if any's missing."Even where it's well-meaning, the language and culture of institutions can create a divide. Like consider the stereotypical "rich liberal causes", you invite a bunch of other rich people over to some swanky fundraiser in an upscaled apartment to, I dunno, "stop hunger in Sudan". They're drinking fine wines and plopping hors d'oeuvres in their mouths, and yucking it up about their latest golf game. Now imagine how fucking alienating, how
weird it'd be if you took a person from Sudan who'd actually experienced famine, and placed them in that group of people. The rich types who are supposedly all about "stopping the hunger" would treat him either as a curiosity, a prop for photos maybe, or be unnerved that someone let "one of the poors" into their fundraiser. The Sudanese guy would likely also feel out of place: his clothes wouldn't be as fine, he wouldn't have the same frame of reference for sharing his own stories, and, my god, he may use his Oyster fork for eating salads! Scandalous!
Now the difference between modern American Marxists and the American Proletariat may not be so stark, but it's still there. We're not really a "literary" culture these days, but Marxists love dick measuring contests about how much theory they read. American proles can be entertained by capeshit and WWE and other spectacles, but the American Marxist sees nothing but decadent bourgeois distraction. There's a great line from Trotsky, I believe, where he's marveling at the fact we've got Airplanes that can soar through the sky and bus people across the world, just real feats of engineering and ingenuity, but you look at the pilot and he's carrying some coin or other token on him that he claims gives him "good luck". Now the dumbest thing you could do would be to mock and belittle the pilot for his small superstitions, second only to carrying your own "lucky coin around" just so the pilot knows you're "one of them".
The language that predominates American Marxism is a symptom of its insularity, ultimately. It doesn't really talk how American proles talk, especially on the extreme ends. You've got Haz pretending to be a steppe nomad and Felix despising Union workers for talking about capeshit over revolution. Even if in economic terms they're not a different class from the prole, they still
see themselves as one, often imagining themselves directing the commanding heights of the economy or the army and not toiling with the rest of the masses. Much like how someone could join Thelema or The Golden Dawn and come to see themselves as privileged to occult mysteries that "the sheep" couldn't dream of, Marxism itself becomes another esoteric order, another Free Masonry or what have you, which psychologically elevates the inheritor of divine truth above the unwashed and stupid masses.
At the end of the day the language of Marxism is currently the language of insular societies. And until it returns to the language of the masses, it'll be stuck watching crisis after crisis go to waste, always imagining that some black swan event is just around the corner that'll not just destroy Capitalism as we know it, but beam Marxist theory directly into the masses' brains, such that they'll lift up the nerds who spend their time reading Capital onto their shoulders and proclaim "He'll lead us!"
>>2415579The two middle ones are quite good. They're in the PDF thread in
>>>/edu/ but I got audiobooks from audiobookbay because if a book doesn't have graphs or charts, I prefer to listen to it while working or doing chores at home.
>>2415575There's a great "funny aneurysm" moment in Ilf and Petrov's U.S. Road Trip where they kind of delineate between America and the USSR by saying, basically, "Americans don't even know where they'll be tomorrow, while we know with certainty where we'll be 50 years from now!"
Of course, fate has a sense of humor, because in 55 years from the point of writing that line, the USSR would collapse. Whereas the uncertain, confused, American ended up the citizen of the world's sole remaining superpower (at least for a time!)
>>2415082This country's going to go out like South Vietnam or the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan - an bloated corrupted mess unloved by anybody.
>>2415276I love how they think having a kill file was some kind of exception on USENET, as though everybody didn't have one.
>>2415367It just amazes and disturbs me how many people here unironically not only accept anti-Communist propaganda but think it's a good thing. Fucktarded contrarianism.
"YES! We are leather-clad Bolsheviks that DO burn people alive in stadiums, execute people by having them fed to starving dogs and boil babies alive! We are exactly what Imperialist yellow press and Nazi propagandists say we are BUT IT'S BASED!!!11"
>>2415622>>2415623/pol/yps
>>2415670shut up
>>2415459good stuff. it's like a selfhelp guru is having a stroke
>>2415706remember when trump had funny and memorable tweets? coincidentally they were all short
>>2415313anon, but of course the largest drug trafficker force on earth is the US military. everyone knows that.
who else has constant cash and resources flow, with also a bunch of violence tools?
I mean, good for the rolling stones to uncover the investigation, but it's obvious that the world drug market is moved basically by the US, and its military.
>>2415727I meant to make this post at
>>2415729 to you, I am a little out of it today (I was up too late posting last night), 😂🤣!
>>2415728i literally don't know who tf "lil tay" is and I can't keep track of ever person calling themselves "lil" but I remember there being a guy named tay K who went to jail for shooting someone in the face and then making a music video about it with a surprisingly nerdy sounding beat.
anyway here's a meme
>>2415739Dude I get it, I'm just annoyed when people sacralize sex and say the west has fallen because people consume porn and actors get rich like there's not actual prostitution and human traffic where the victims don't earn anything in the south and everywhere in the world
>>2415739He spent a day of earnings on that mind you
>>2415756Also I hate the sultan. Like dude what??? I hate billionaires
I don't like capitalism. Why do you keep straw manning me?
>>2415753I didn't say that. Notice I said:
>Not saying he deserves his insane wealth, I guess maybe we're both talking past each other. Yes I agree that Bezos would continue to accrue way more insane wealth until the day he was declared officially dead if he became a vegetable right now.
I also agree there is no need to be upset at whatever artisan getting insanely wealthy because they're popular. Yes that's the free market.
>vidrel>2:48>Ross Perot on CEOs - If they want to get paid like rockstars, they ought to become rockstars. >>2415737Robber barons have been around for a while and we expect that way of making money. OF is newer way of making money so highlights how ridiculous it all is.
>>2415747>and yet it's all from voluntary donations.I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure most of onlyfans and all those donation based sex sites are largely money laundering scams. Crime organizations probably use some women as a front, give them small donations at a time to keep things under the radar and turn drug money into legitimate money.
>>2415794Okay I find the treat shit retarded too, but there's more to life than stuff. Right now people are isolated, atomized, and relationships & friendships are at an all time low in the first world.
At the same time telling people that the average man is going to lose most of his possessions under communism is a really shit way to sell the ideology to people.
>>2415756imagine if every harem member of the past had the chance to make enough money to buy a comfy life.
I fucking hate turbocapitalism.
>>2415686>I have been feeling this lately. All the people in my org uphold revolutionary figures and ML specifically as a tendency, but I feel like it is kinda alienating to some people, same for theory, If you are speaking to people who already know it is one thing, but in general I kinda just want to call outselves "communist" and explain it in commong language before getting into theory and history.I think the best thing to do is to know your audience and try to figure what "levers" to pull. Don't try to appeal to more conservative aligned folks with "compassion" but instead, their sense that they're being robbed, their self-interest, and contempt for "elitists". Now if you start out all "Hello comrades! Communism! Communism! Communism!" They may tune you out, but if just kind of befriend them, keep the ideology on the backburner, and then quietly tug on those levers you'll get more success.
Some conservative coworkers I know turned around on Israel 'cause "Why are we sending them money? They'll do what they have to do even if we don't send them anything." And while I disagree on some broad points, at the very least "stop sending Israel money" is a step in the right direction.
Now I know also people on this website despise the idea of invoking nostalgia as a rhetorical tool in favor of "things are always bad and never getting better", but when talking to conservatives and some normies at least, it's still a powerful rhetorical device. You see Sanders invoke the "The rich paid nearly 90% taxes in the 50s" line specifically because it makes his proposals seem less pie in the sky now, but also because it links this supposed Golden Age in America (well, for White America) with progressive policy. Now, don't frame this as a "RETVRN TO THE SEARS CATALOGUE" type thing like reactionaries, instead pepper that sense of disenfranchisement and dispossession with a sense of class antagonism. Stuff like:
>"Guy used to be able to go to a factory, work a nine to five, and get a house, go on vacations, and raise a family. Then some fucking corporate suit decided he needed more money and so he laid them off, sold the factory for scrap, and bought a factory overseas where he treats the locals like dirt and makes billions."Or
>"You used to be able to have doctors do house calls, now if you're feeling sick you have to drive to a hospital just so some insurance exec can tell doctors he wont pay for your medicine."Give people an enemy, draw them constantly back to the idea that what's wrong in their lives is because of that enemy. Of course push back on any reactionary sentiment, if someone says "YEAH, AND IT USED TO BE GOOD TO BE A WHITE GUY BACK THEN!" Just say in very simple terms: "It's not black vs white, it's red versus green: the rich have all the green, and pretty soon they're gonna come for that red in your veins because they want to live forever."
Keep it simple: we're humans, and the rich might as well be vampires.
>>2415815>liberating mankindyou are illiterate. this is just a funny consequence at best and a dumb slogan at worst, not the main point of communism
>The eternal glorification of the worker to justify its exploitation by the state is capitalist psyopok, very illiterate
>>2415825in this case these
>>2415728 courtesans don't feel like that way.
>>2415732US politics in one picture:
>all president candidates before election>all presidents after the election. >>2415839Marx Regarding "Treats"
>A house may be large or small; as long as the neighboring houses are likewise small, it satisfies all social requirement for a residence. But let there arise next to the little house a palace, and the little house shrinks to a hut. The little house now makes it clear that its inmate has no social position at all to maintain, or but a very insignificant one; and however high it may shoot up in the course of civilization, if the neighboring palace rises in equal or even in greater measure, the occupant of the relatively little house will always find himself more uncomfortable, more dissatisfied, more cramped within his four walls.
>An appreciable rise in wages presupposes a rapid growth of productive capital. Rapid growth of productive capital calls forth just as rapid a growth of wealth, of luxury, of social needs and social pleasures. Therefore, although the pleasures of the labourer have increased, the social gratification which they afford has fallen in comparison with the increased pleasures of the capitalist, which are inaccessible to the worker, in comparison with the stage of development of society in general. Our wants and pleasures have their origin in society; we therefore measure them in relation to society; we do not measure them in relation to the objects which serve for their gratification. Since they are of a social nature, they are of a relative nature.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/wage-labour/ch06.htmTake for example how in the 1st world country you need a smartphone and an ID to even get a job but in rural afghanistan you can live life relatively anonymously. Our needs have their origin in society. What in the periphery might be a "luxury commodity" becomes in the core a "means of subsistence"
Under socialism the productive forces will be so greatly multiplied (compared especially with capitalism where we burn food and pour milk down the drain rather than give it away if it cannot be sold profitably) that everyone will have their needs met. So yes there will probably be some frivolity in our free time, so long as it doesn't threaten the sustainability of the mode of production itself, or the habitability of the planet.
>>2415832The proletariat is liberated from its condition like the slave is, from their owner, but communism is about the collectivization of private property, which means it guarantees everyone a fair share of what is produced. If food/water, healthcare, housing, education are guaranteed because they are needs, then is it not something that would benefit even the labor aristocracy?
Sure you will have less stupid commodities produced by the free market, but is it really impoverishment if what you gain is a stable society where nobody goes hungry, like no homeless, no crackhead, and like if you need a medical operation you are given it no money or question asked, no need to worry about your kids the education system is public and top of the line everywhere, there's no crime anyway cause there's no poverty, you can let them go all day and have your life…
>>2415853>literally everyone owns a fridgeok, so fridges cant be used to measure poverty clearly :)
(amerifats can only base their politics on spite instead of critical reasoning)
>>2415594It's not resentment, it's because those 'Successful" people got there by stealing the wealth of the labor of the workers and stealing the credit for doing so from the workers who did the actual work.
Most of those "successful people" got their wealth through inheritance and they didn't do a single bit of hard work at all to gain their fortunes.
>>2415871Define poor?
Owning less stuff? Having less bills? Living in a more sustainable way? Avoiding excess?
Like, would you consider a Austrian with a new sustainably built $200,000 home and a single vehicle "poorer" than an American living in a decaying 800k house from the 1950's and 3 SUV's in their garage?
Americans are so singleminded in their obsession with attaining individual wealth.
https://archive.ph/w6dcM#selection-876.0-876.3
>Finally, a word on a favorite mystery of mine: the weird governmental interest in U.F.O.s, which deserves attention because Chuck Schumer and Mike Rounds, the Senate minority leader and the staid Republican senator from South Dakota, are once again supporting adding a provision requiring U.F.O.-related disclosure to the National Defense Authorization Act. (And in Rounds’s case, publicly suggesting that what senators have seen in classified settings is weirder than the weird stuff that’s already out there.)
>My persistent interest in this subject has annoyed both U.F.O. skeptics (More column inches about the aliens, Ross?) and, sometimes, U.F.O. believers (because I don’t think any of the theories or claimed reveals have delivered the goods).
>But I’m trying to strike a balance. There is clearly something weird going on with this subject, something we aren’t seeing, a dark matter influence that might be a national security psy-op or might be something stranger. And it’s OK to just say that, repeatedly, while refusing the prison of a theory formulated without essential facts.The NYT's Ross Douthat is open minded about the existence of Non-Human Intelligence and USA NHI black budget programs. Is /leftypol/ dumber than Douthat? From my experience lurking this board for the past several years, I can unequivocally say, yes.
>>2415910
not really. because even most "middle classers" will be better off in a world without imperialism, artificial scarcity, planned obsolescence, the deliberate destruction of the productive forces, the selective restriction of the development of technology for the purposes of maintaining high profit rates, exorbitant interest rates, the reserve army of labor, homelessness, mass incarceration, high crime rates, poverty, mass mental illness, all of which are symptomatic of the mode of production.
the idea that stopping all of this completely pointless insanity would make most people worse off is bourgeois propaganda.
>oh but in the 1st world you'll be worse off because you're all treatlerites who feed off the blood of the 3rd world blah blah blah
even if true it's completely unnecessary. we could have double the abundance with none of the exploitation. these dairy farms literally pour milk down the drain to keep up the price. There's so much untapped natural resources. I keep saying this but the photons that come from the sun are free. Solar and wind and nuclear could completely replace the fossil fuels we fight wars over and power the whole planet. It's ridiculous how we do things now.
>>2415894Even in the past not all companies forced 996 as it was mostly a tech startup meme. Compulsory 996 was made illegal in 2021.
https://www.npr.org/2021/08/30/1032458104/12-hour-6-day-996-work-schedule-illegal-china-deaths-tech-industryBut obviously there still are a bunch of workarounds companies can exploit especially with salaried workers.
>>2415733It is quite strange that their really are not that many Maoist orgs in the U$, but their are tons of orgs for Khrushchevite/Dengist Revisionist “MLs”, Trots, LeftComs, Anarchists, and SocDems/DemSocs, as I really don’t know of any well known U$ Maoist groups since the Red Guards folded (the CR-CPUSA seems to be defunct since Struggle Sessions is not publishing new articles anymore), and honestly the most prominent U$ Maoist group that I know of right now that seems to have some potential is the DSAs Liberation Caucus
https://www.liberationcaucus.org/ which I saw Black Red Guard talking about on his YouTube channel (I personally think he is the most Based living U$ Communist), and I know it seems absurd for their to be a Maoist caucus in a org that leans heavily towards SocDems/DemSocs, but remember that the Bolsheviks themselves were originally a faction in the Russian Social Democratic Labor Party which was sort of like the Imperial Russian equivalent of DSA (I know that comparison is a massive stretch, but bear with me, 😂🤣), and considering that Maoist PPW will not be viable in the Imperial Core until World War III breaks out and/or Bourgeois Democracy is permanently suspended (these two events are connected and will probably happen around the same time), it honestly makes sense to chill out with the DSA right now, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️
>>2415965JFK's pretty much the alt-history golden boy. It's pretty wild, real "Death of The Great God Pan" vibes.
Watchmen, or a prequel comic at least, has JFK's assassination kind of "break" The Comedian and stands in for the "this universe is pretty much fucked" marker.
You have Khrushchev's kid claiming JFK wanted to do a joint Soviet-US mission to the moon, and the idea that it could've ended the cold war prematurely.
There's this idea he would've dismantled the CIA, or broken up the banks, or was "just" on the cupse of finally having America live up to its highest liberal aspirations only to be cut down.
Honestly the man himself was average, but his assassination turned him into a legend.
>>2415981JFK is perfect because he was young and hopeful and you can fit whatever politics you want on him because he did not accomplish much and he was medicore as you said. We would have never gotten the Civil Rights or Voting Rights act under Kennedy and would be fighting for it all the way into the 70s likely from an opportunistic Nixon. The only reason those pass were because of LBJ and the actual power he held. LBJ was one of the most powerful presidents in American history with how he was able to pass legislation and the Great Society only hampered by Vietnam. They give credit to civil rights and voting rights to Kennedy and only Vietnam to Johnson where Kennedy would have never gotten into Vietnam which is false. Also the Kennedy lore is filled with what ifs.
>JPK was groomed to be President but was killed in WWII which left it up to JFK>JFK gets offed>RFK had the charisma and ability to be president. Gets offed and becomes another alt-history golden boy>Ted Kennedy car incident destroyed his reputation and never had the abilities of his older siblings. Also related to alt history, Lincoln being assassinated turned him into a legend ironically. He was only able to be a national symbol because he died before he could do reconstruction and the South could have done a great what if Lincoln survived due to Radical Republicans being in charge of Reconstruction. Lincoln would have become a divisive figure either for being too soft on the South or too harsh on the South, which would prove he was the tyrant he was propagandized as. Either way Lincoln would not be a rallying cry for national unity. Basically assassination before a major crisis(Reconstruction or Vietnam respectively) cleans their reputation and makes it easier to rally behind as a nation. Only exception is really Washington and that is only because he is the Father of the Nation
>>2416004>We would have never gotten the Civil Rights or Voting Rights act under KennedyAnd we all know that made the nation so much better…
Genuine question, how are civil rights not an infringement on freedom of association?
>>2416032irrelevant
also probably untrue, from dredd scott, black people could not possess citizenship
>>2416040Well yes, America was designed by and for White people. Once you lose the specific context in which the nation exists the whole project stops making sense.
>probably untrueNot after the Civil War.
>>2416053Fair enough. I disagree that it increased the freedom of the collective, but this stems from my ideology as a nationalist.
>>2416053Would you say the same about speech?
>>2416072What do you mean by "nazism"? Anti-semitism? White nationalism? WW2 revisionism? Holocaust denial? Germanic supremacy? Unadulterated 1940s German National Socialism is not a truly relevant ideology in the modern day.
And how is this any different from raw power politics where you suppress your enemy just for the sake of them being your enemy? It's certainly respectable, if a tiny bit of an infringement on freedom, but why not just admit it?
>>2416078>What do you mean by "nazism"?i specifically think advocation against equality of political rights should be illegal.
>And how is this any different from raw power politics where you suppress your enemy just for the sake of them being your enemy? It's certainly respectable, if a tiny bit of an infringement on freedom, but why not just admit it?i'm admitting it right now
>>2416083>i specifically think advocation against equality of political rights should be illegalSo everyone should have equal political rights… except the people who disagree with you? Not that I'm saying you can't want to enact these policies, but doing it in the name of freedom and equality seems a bit absurd to me.
>i'm admitting it right nowI can respect that.
Dream blunt rotation.
>>2416080I'd argue the push against "antisemitism" is a guise to normalize white nationalism in broader society.
>>2416114I disagree. Fucking Trump and Tom Homan are not anywhere close to ideological white nationalists lol. Maybe Stephen Miller.
>the insane ultrarightist hardliners…Nick Fuentes is pulling 30k live viewers and hundreds of thousands of views now lol
>>2416123Well the USSR came from a much earlier state in liberalism. Nowadays any socialists will have already lived through globalization and the Internet and a much more connected world. Communists larping to replicate the worst aspects of the USSR is like the liberals larping into 1930's European fascism.
Neither will repeat because the circumstances are too different.
>>2416144This is pretty much exactly what they do yeah. Democrats have picked up the language of saying "Netanyahu's government" any time they criticize Israel to avoid criticizing Israel. Just blame Netanyahu for everything, every war crime by the IDF is on Netanyahu's orders, every dead Palestinian child was killed by Netanyahu, etc. The "Clean Wehrmacht" playbook pretty much.
It really won't work though since Biden and Obama both sucked up to Netanyahu lmao.
>>2416154You don't understand the right nor the Jewish Question.
>>2416156Define "capitalist" then.
>>2415981I have never understood the JFK fetish, the guy was a spoiled Haute Bourgeois kid who won the 1960 election because he was viewed as “Handsome” and “Telegenic”, not because the guy ran on any substantive policy platform or had any experience (he was a junior U$ Senator who never passed any notable legislation), was a rabid Anti-Communist who tried to Coup Castro with the attempted Bay of Pigs Invasion, almost turned the Cuban Missile Crisis into a Nuclear War (Albeit, I agree with Chairman Mao that this would of been Historically Progressive as it would have allowed for a World Maoist PPW that would created a Global USSR that would of placed the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!), was a inexperienced politically inept lightweight Retard who probably would have failed to pass the Great Society legislation that the Highly competent LBJ passed (as horrible as LBJs deranged Genocidal War Criminal Imperialist Foreign policy was, he was one of the best U$ Presidents on Domestic policy, second only to FDR), probably would have still gotten into the Vietnam War if he didn’t get assassinated (JFK was the first U$ President to send Military advisors to South Vietnam, and most Historians agree he probably would have done the same shit LBJ did there), and to top it all off he was cheating on his Wife Jackie, by banging Marylin Monroe in the White House (a lot of people suspect that he drove her to OD, and for that reason her husband, the famous Yankee Baseball player Joe DiMaggio, didn’t let the Kennedy family attend her funeral) throughout his short lived failed Presidency, 😂🤣🤢🤮! By the way, what do my fellow Comrades think of my post at
>>2415976 which articulates my analysis of the state of Maoist orgs in the U$, and the fact that I think the one with the most potential is probably the DSA Liberation Caucus
https://www.liberationcaucus.org/ that has the prominent Maoist YouTuber Black Red Guard as a member, 🤔?
>>2416392No mention of "master race" you utterly mischaracterized my post. No mention of "luxuries" either. You don't quote a single part of what I said.
Let me re-iterate: Even if petty bourgeoisie are forced to work under socialism rather than be exploiters, their quality of life will improve because they will live in a world free of the insanity of capitailsm: Artificial scarcity, planned obsolesence, the deliberate destruction of the productive forces, imperialist war, etc.
In no way did I say any of this would require "no effort." In fact the decrease in production of pointless luxury goods and the increased production of necessities will make them necessities increasingly inexpensive from the standpoint of socially necessary labor time.
>>2416397read chapter 3 of fascism and social revolution by the communist rajani palme dutt. particularly the two sections on the deliberate destruction of the productive forces and the revolt against the machine. thsose are the consequences of the capitalist mode of production and it creates a world that is terrible for the vast majority of people. It is not "utopian" or "liberal" to recognize this.
>>2416403seems arbitrary. another person might have a definition that includes a boat or a fast car or an expensive watch. We should restructure society in such a way that poverty becomes impossible and necessities are met. This means everyone will work which is not utopian but neither is it that bad.
>>2416411The same code that was forced on the populace by liberal activists that effectively turned Cuba back into a colony? That code?
>>2416408Irrelevant when the productive forces in the west are catered towards sustaining luxuries and providing fake jobs so people can “afford” said luxuries, most basic needs such as housing and food are outsourced and the average American owns multiple independent means of generating passive income, all on the backs of third world child slaves. Meanwhile their reserves and retirement funds are all directly tied to America’s endless wars of imperialism that you directly benefit from. To even begin to bring communism to America a large scale effort over a period of generations must be undertaken to restore local industry and agriculture and train a population that understands the value of discipline and work. All of which will require REAL labor, not sitting at a desk on a computer to do useless shit for a made up job, something that most Americans will actively or passively resist thus requiring a constant NKVD presence
>>2416417I am literally talking that the ones doing the genocide are the ones that must stopped, and that's the US, not zionists, not other Arabs nations.
faggot.
>>2416393>you can be mixedNot the same
>which people increasingly areAnd we all know how prosperous mixed race countries like Brazil are.
Well here's where you might not be happy. I think that a large reason for class immobility is just innate intelligence and conscientiousness. Obviously right now our class mobility is too low, but the Marxist dream of having no class or full class mobility is just impossible. People are born different. I am innately more intelligent than most people. That leads to greater class mobility. What we should be focused on is ensuring that the lower-classes can live an enjoyable and dignified low-class life. This isn't a pipe dream, it's the benefit of nationalism.
>>2416355>wants to exterminate everyone elseLol
>lecture about tyrannyYes, because I support complete freedom of political speech. Of course I think the state should have implicit quasi-religious nationalist beliefs that are instilled in the people through education, but that's something every society has. I support freedom of speech and freedom of association. That's less tyrannical than not supporting it.
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