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Imageboards have of course been filled with nazis for a fuck ton of time from even the start, but most people agree it mainly started when moot added /news/ then all the chudcels flooded the rest of the site, then created /pol/ and the rest is history.

With that being said, how do we realistically combat the mass grooming of people into nazism through imageboards? The sharty is becoming the new 8chan but with way more cultural influence on the wider internet and the rest of the population is filled with young children, we have already seen solomon (a mass shooter that was a black man yet he was also a white supremacist with sharty connections) commit a mass shooting. With that being said clearly a lot of these young men are isolated and angry, doxxing random literal WHOS because they are trans, or even doing raids that help the federal government because the site is influenced by glowies. They even raided our very booru 2 days ago, and ILLEGAL CONTENT was posted (this was done by foodist nazis not soyteens but still scary that it’s that prevalent with their raids).

And with the thought on raids we can see some of these young people are being groomed into actual pedophile nazi communities but the sharty staff and wiki are so up their asses that they can’t see they have ideological similarities with the nazi foodists and that’s why they surround them.

They have crushed /leftysoy/ and banned many leftists on their wiki including me, I think this is gonna evolve into something much worst if we don’t do anything.
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>>2417633
> the largest Communist Party in America you aren't even allowed to post about here
nice try hazcel

>>2427456
ACP gets more views on youtube. The CPUSA posts shitty livestreams where they babble like fools but and ACP posts videos organizing workers and gets about ten times more views.

So any possible solutions besides "worker pride parades" only white people will show up at and vague "You're not a pissbaby incel chud because of DA JOOOZ, but because of rich white men at the top"?

>>2412734
One thing I think that awareness needs to be raised about is how censored some of these image boards really are.
They pretend they support free speech. But find a way to blow a right-wing narrative right out the water and see how quickly your post gets pulled and how hard the ban hammer comes down on you.
And your comment is memoryholed. No sign anything was said, no recourse, no evidence of moderators abusing their power - moderators who go on continuing to pretend that they support free speech and that their position is just that much more strongly rooted in the facts.
It's frustrating.

There is no internet replacement for a real life social fabric

>>2427461
>ACP gets more views on youtube
That's cause they are sucking Trump's cock

>>2429845
It's cuz they're controversial and entertaining to watch silly, they barely talk about trump at all as far as I'm aware

up

>>2429845
Show me ACP resolution where they glaze trump then

>>2431501
he’s just making shit up

>>2429788
This is extremely true, on the sharty currently if you make a post mentioning the name of the admin (quote or limeade) you will get auto perma banned. They are not only promoting nazism they are also rulecucked beyond belief
https://www.sncapedia.org/wiki/Soyvil_War_5

>>2412679
The easiest answer to fascism is to tell them to stfu
I don't mean moderate them. It's no coincidence mods are fash. Even if they say otherwise, they're lying if only to themselves.

I mean when they say some awful shit tell them hey retard, that's wrong.

You don't have to go into gorey detail why. Just assert right is right and wrong is wrong. Fascists are cowards and need to test the waters of acceptance before committing to anything. Their entire ideology is about grooming into more painful and unacceptable conditions.

So don't let them. The end.

It's pretty ironic that CPUSAnon is posting here given as he is the leftypoler most responsible for this. His national chauvinism is only a few steps removed from actual Nazism, the only difference is his "Volk" is deracialized.

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wtf is going on bros

The sharty groomed me into fedposting so now i'm being blacked in jail. Thanks.

>>2444199
Russia is currently winning and ultras keep saying it is an interimperialist conflict.

>>2412703
I don't see how it has anything to do with identity.
What solidarity is being denied to a white suburban chud who refuses to engage in sports or hang out with classmates or co workers?
I've known plenty of people who stated they had no friends, and none of them got their kicks out of calling people racial slurs online and (openly) fantasizing about genocide.

When serial killers respond to "TfwNoGf" with raping and killing women or killing random homeless people, we argue they're mentally fucked up and at the very least belong in a mental asylum.
I don't see why chud bloodlust shouldn't be treated the same. These people are never going to be satisfied with "solidarity" or a higher minimum wage, because it's not something they fundamentally care about people. It's about, as the other anon put it (referring to Zizek's analysis) obscene enjoyment.

Their key tenets are this:
>Women should be subservient to men, and even if they have careers, never offend them or prioritize themselves over their husbands/boyfriends
>Men are entitled to a woman's body, or at the very least, deserve an obedient wife to whom's body the husband is exclusively entitled to at all times
>Men deserve the right to capital punishment over their families, especially their wives and daughters
>No one should ever remind them of the sex or success they're not having
>Sex is fundamentally about domination, and sons are avatars of their fathers (which is why consensual adult male homosexuality is unacceptable)
>No member of the (perceived) out-group should ever assume authority over them
>No member of the out-group is entitled to their property, which like their families, is solely theirs to use as they please
I.e. they don't give a fuck about immigration or "identity", what they care about is "non-Westerners" and "non-Whites" moving to Western countries as anything other than as slave castes and plantation fodder. Nor should the sexual pathologies be ignored which form the basis of their worldview.

Once you take the above into account, modern white nationalism, identitarianism and platforms like /pol/, as well as the treatment of supposedly "based" right wing women, makes a lot more sense.

>>2445152
Do liberals tell others to vote for Kamala Harris out of a sense of obscene enjoyment?

You're conflating multiple classes. The bourgeoisie are Nazis because it makes them money. The demoralized proles and the slum proletariat turn to fascism because literal Nazis are more tolerable than reformist bullcrap.

This psychopathology stuff obfuscates the wide difference in motivations between a "loser" (some worker declassed or shoved into the reserve pool of labor due to idpol and a socioeconomic crisis) and between a bougie asshole.

The real way to fight fascism is to explain to the reserve pool of labor that Nazis are really just a kind of reformist libshit. Donald Trump is nothing more than pathetic Bernie socdem reformist bullshit. The Nazis were FDR type reformists and that's a bad thing.

>>2445177
I was going through shit and I got way out of line. I guess the other way to phrase it is that fascism is no more psychosexually perverse than liberalism.

>>2445177
There's a difference between a German financier or industrialist backing Hitler because they believe it to be financially lucrative and see unions and communists as a threat, and an incel member of the Freikorps or the SA who simply wants to beat Jews to death and violently rape a woman.
I recommend 'Male Fantasies' by Klaus Theweleit for a more in depth look and how it aligns with what I wrote.

>This psychopathology stuff obfuscates

No, it explains why the motivations of bougie NrX reactionaries are different from a white suburban chuds ranting about black people on xitter.
You cannot win these people over with reformism. They do not care about socialism no matter whether they're PMCs, proles or, lumpen. They're sexually frustrated, insecure, and want to watch other people suffer, or at least ensure they won't act as their bosses or remind them of the sex they're not having. Their concerns are libidinal and sexually pathological, not economic.

The NEETs who only care about their tendies, anime and video games aren't going to be voting for anyone anyway. Except maybe whoever they think will continue to allow them to live like that.

>>2445183
I completely disagree, and you only have to look at what these people themselves post, or what you can find hanging around in their spaces, or reading works like "Male Fantasies" about the sexuality of early Nazis, to see why.
That doesn't mean btw libs can't be sex pests. But the core appeal of liberalism isn't obscene enjoyment as Zizek defines it, or the sort of rapey fantasies shared by early nazis or what I outlined as the core tenets of contemporary (non-boug) reactionaries.

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>>2445185
You seem to fantasize about incels raping women a lot. Are you by any chance involved in the true crime or serial killer fandoms? I would recommend the book "Killer Fandom" https://www.mediastudies.press/killer-fandom .

>>2445186
Also read Alison Moore's "Sexual Myths of Modernity: Sadism, Masochism, and Historical Teleology". Also Robert Chapman's "Empire of Normality" and Melanie Yergeau's "Authoring Autism." You fundamentally promote the very kind of eugenicist ideology which you claim to oppose.

>>2445185
Also I think read Alexandra Stein's "Terror, Love and Brainwashing: Attachment in Cults and Totalitarian Systems". It seems clear to me that you have a sadomasochistic streak you project onto the Nazis. Fwiw it's not surprising that fascists attempted to appeal to soldiers and that veteran soldiers tended to have PTSD. Male Fantasies reverses cause and effect.

>>2445186
Ultimately, you are a eugenicist (all psychiatrists are eugenicists) and should be banned as Nazi trash. It's completely unacceptable to spew this kind of fascist and white Supremacist trash and especially not while claiming to fight fascism. You are a super-criminologist, a criminologist super-predator on Black men and other marginalized people, flicking the bean to fantasies of incarcerating and raping men by proxy.

To balance the feminist reading recs being shared here i will ask you to read from the perspective of the male chauvinists of the interwar period themselves, so you can understand how they view themselves from their own subjectivity instead of reading second hand moralizing sources, and how they relate to the bourgeois cultures and collapsing traditional structures in their own way. I can think of Celine's Journey to the End of the Night, Curzio Malaparte's Donna come me and La pelle (which was adapted into a movie), Drieu's Le Feu Folett, and of course everything by early Pasolini

>>2445152
This is what happens when you dont read Zizek. His point about obscene enjoyment and why rightoids vote for explicitly cruel policies isn't that
>The enemy derives pleasure from transgression and lack,
But that EVERYONE derives enjoyment from violation of taboo. This is literally the same reason why we love to joke about JDPON, violation of taboo is how derive surplus enjoyment. In fact Zizek explicitly attacked people who wants to return to a comprehensive moral system as opposed to a voyeuristic, taboo breaking one, because 1). Your enjoyment still relies on prohibition for one, and 2). Because a lot of times moralists used their morality to shit on people they view as less moral, which in itself is an enjoyment of violation of taboo (sadistic putting down of others)

>>2445186
Yes it is. The fundamental promise of liberalism is to bash it over the head of people you view as less enlightened to you. We can see this in your completely condescending tone about NEETs in men in general, which is the exact same tone bourgeois libs have when talking about male Muslims! It is ok to denigrate an entire demographic, because you have fetishized them as a group of violent rapist degenerates, so it is morally ok, for the liberal who lacks complete self awareness

>>2445191
Welcome back Eugene.
Interesting mentions, I will check them out in the coming weeks.
I disagree however that this critique and analysis requires eugenicist thinking. There's an interplay of religion, upbringing, class as well as other factors involved here that leads to a particular brand of incelism which pushes the idea women should be subservient to men, and men are entitled to a girlfriend or wife.
I think it's wrong to claim for example that Elliot Rodger would always have grown up to become a homicidal and seemingly narcissistic incel no matter where he was born or brought up.
It's especially strange (assuming you're the same poster) to claim this is based on >>2445198
"reading second hand moralizing sources". When several Nazi theorists (including chiefly Hitler himself), as well as interwar and immediate post war reactionaries like Julius Evola openly shared the same attitudes to women, sexuality and race.

And no, I do not have a sadomasochistic streak I project unto the nazis. I do not think sex is reducible to domination. Also some Nazis, who never served in WW1, shared the same views. So you can't chalk this up to PSTD from wartime service.
>super-criminologist
Very flattering Eugene. But I'm still not convinced people who write tracts about incinerating black children with flamethrowers (and yes, that sort of stuff has been posted on places like /pol/), or fantasizing about enslaving and raping women and girls, including migrant children in ICE detention centers (the screenshots for this are also floating around) are doing so merely because they're poor or something and misunderstood and lack an "identity".

>>2445207
>Hitler and Evola
This is very fascinating since many SS ideologues approve of female infidelity as they see it as a form of natural selection. Yet again proving my point that you are just throwing names around to project the image of a monolithic recidivist masculinity

>>2445201
Semi-relevant https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/02632764241267916?int.sj-full-text.similar-articles.8

I mean this sort of liberal feminist shit literally has roots in eugenics and the fucking Klan. Read Cynthia Eller's "Living in the Lap of the Goddess: The Feminist Spirituality Movement in America." Also Ronald Hutton's "The Triumph of the Moon: A History of Modern Pagan Witchcraft" for some of the colonial context. Also Kathleen Blee's "Women of the Klan: Racism and Gender in the 1920s." You had literal Klanswomen moving on to work in women's liberation.

That being said every political movement has a right and a left. I would say that a liberation movement becomes stagnant when the demographic begins to integrate into state-monopoly capital. So IMO feminism became stagnant during the the 1970s but was still of minor benefit before then. It's not purely one thing or the other but contextual. It's dialectical.

IMO capitalism does have a socially progressive aspect (though it is stagnant under imperialism) and so you should expect a certain amount of socially progressive causes to rightfully ally with capitalism.

Transwomen are the most hated demographic among polyps and soyshits.

>>2445211
Fascinating, although i have to say that i am aware that many early suffragite in the South were racist as fuck, but i do not know whether this is out of actual conviction or out of a desire to be accepted in Southern political milleu.

I am leaning to the former, because you can see a lot of women even today who featured in far right movements outside of the west, like RSS in India; and in each cases they claim that this or that minority are rapist male monsters that has to be destroyed by a right wing state, exactly how some libs generalize incels

>>2445207
Read https://aristasia.guide/ and maybe Mark Sedgwick's "Against the Modern World: Traditionalism and the Secret Intellectual History of the Twentieth Century" and Spencer Sunshine's "Neo-Nazi Terrorism and Countercultural Fascism: The Origins and Afterlife of James Mason’s Siege".

It's funny because Dianic Wikkka is directly tied to the same Evola Nazi perennialism which led to whacky incel cults. Also the men's rights movement is a direct spring off from NOW/liberal feminism.

Also semi-relevant https://maia.crimew.gay/posts/brg/

>>2412679
Post gigabackshot

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The problem is not the CIA or propaganda or the Sharty.

The problem is that communists are consistently really fucking gay no matter where you meet them.

There is like a handful of present-minded, reasonable people among them. The rest are literally (and I mean literally) screetching retards who find their entire life's worth in posting overly verbose, smug polemics and 19th century lingo on twitter. Alternatively, they do the same at some protest (to the same effect: none).

Be less of a bunch of fucking gay faggots, maybe.
I know it's very, very hard for you, but maybe then people would be ready to listen to you>>2412679
more.

>>2445213
So feminism originated as a pre-Marxist branch of utopian socialism. IMO feminism then must have split off into three loose tendencies: a more radical materialist/Marxist sort of femininism, a more reformist social-democratic femininism and a flat out Hitleresque feminism. I think this is just the natural sort of direction for liberation movements to go that there's always going to be a left-wing and a right-wing.

I put part of the blame on Zionism. Zionism really was the prototypical subversion of a liberation movement (aside from the Nazis of course). But I mean this shit is a problem everywhere like MLKKK, so subversion is not a problem specific to one group or movement necessarily.

>>2445223
We really need a barebones "eat the rich" socialism. We know the problem, we know the solution. What's left is the distribution of forks and knives.

>>2445209
There's that too, and I am familiar to what you're referring to. But see the point first and sixth point I listed about contemporary reactionary (ethnonationalist, masculinist/misogynist, racist, religious extremist, etc.) movements: However they were accepting of "using" women like that, they did not tolerate women having political or moral authority over them. Except in the case of a mother having some authority over her children in the context of an otherwise patriarchal family.
Women could be mothers, friends, lovers, they could even be respected professionally in rare cases like Riefenstahl and Hanna Reitsch were. But they could never be "above" a man in terms of ultimate moral, economic, political and spiritual authority. The family unit remained fundamentally patriarchal, and a woman's interests were subordinate to a man's.
The existence of what at first glance might appear as "free love" among some segments of the SS was a politically empowering for women as prostitution was of female slaves in Ancient Rome. It's simply not the same as women being seen as potential equals or being capable of entering positions of authority which might threaten the general status of men within their sexual hierarchy.

>>2445211
I'm not unaware of the role of racist white women in early American feminism, including women like Margaret Sanger and her cooperation with known eugenicists, as well as her own statements.

>>2445201
I don't get the impression at all that Zizek ever implied everyone wants to secretly rape and kill because doing so is taboo under contemporary liberalism. Or that the obscene enjoyment he described is somehow universal across all classes, eras, and political movements.
There is a general appeal to a "you may" - including for Liberals. But the difference here is in what contemporary reactionaries intend to do. The enjoyment of being able to be openly gay, or transition as a trans woman regardless if this enjoyment is heightened through the breaking of taboo, is not comparable to sadistic fantasies about subjecting women to rape, or owning minorities as slaves.
I know some people really want to do this "ISIS and Nazism are, psychosexually, basically just Liberalism too" but they're not.

>>2445204
It has nothing to do with "enlightenment" in the purely "rational" and "intellectual" sense, it has to do with a very fundamental difference in both attitude, as well as self-worth and confidence. I'm on the record here having state before Communism is in fact, not rational, and people trying to convince random people to "become" Communists through Logic and Facts are completely missing the point of what it is about.
I'm also not someone who thinks the intellectual basis of Liberalism isn't in itself a load of nonsense, and a convenient narrative for what it is really about.
>Condescending tone
Matter of perception and attitude. I didn't condemn or ridicule them. I stated that NEETs, as far as they're comfortable with their existence (be it access to video games and anime, or deeply artistic hobbies, working out and reading philosophy all day) are not the same as certain brands of reactionaries seething silently about how other people having sex, whilst they aren't, and how the idea of a black woman in a position of authority makes them feel both insecure and enraged.
The topic of how Muslim men in general fit into this is a varied one. But I definitely don't believe all Muslim men are backwards, and they all fantasize about raping their wives and killing their sons for being gay or something. What I listed as the tenets of modern reactionaries is not tied to any particular religion, culture or ethnic group. There are many "white" Christian groups far more reactionary than the average Muslim Turk, be it those living in Turkey, or in European migrant communities.

>>2445212
Because transwomen are a convenient target, who can be subjected to either misogyny or have their gender denied depending on what they think hurts them more. They embrace self-transformation without sadism which is the opposite of the reactionary self-hating misogynist sadist, and some of their demands are economical and require expanding access to healthcare which is in direct opposition to dismantling social services (replacing it with "charity" and the "free market") and allowing patriarchs to have sole domain over their property.

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>>2445231
see
that is the very problem

that sort of rhetoric gives off knee-jerk vibes.
And I suppose that is also the reason why the sharty right wingers had such an easy time purging leftists from their site - not through bans, but on a more sophisticated, systemic level that reaches into the framework of their form of communication.
What jaking essentially is, is highlighting unrealistic, naive, simple-minded knee-jerk mindsets and put them on display for mockery. Pic partly related I guess. Obviously, this works wonders with an ideology where there is so much cope about the historical record (which is not good for communism, no matter how you look at it).

From a Nietzschean perspective, a jak is mocking Slave Morality, whereas a Chad is displaying Master's morality. And I would even go so far and claim that leftism, in the last 150 years, has been constantly caught within a slave morality, that feeds off its opposition to its masters.
The only exception may be the soviet union, which shifted its propaganda to stark nationalist and traditionalist elements and fed the socialist core theory from that perspective. It's an anomaly, really, and ironically regresses strongly into what lots of lefties are staunchly against.

Oh well…

>>2445235
Have you considered that a lot of isolated trans women get trapped in the very same reactionary image board culture you seem to see as unsalvageable?

You completely misunderstand the transgender experience if you see these as totally different social groups and phenomena. The answer to the pink swastika propaganda is not that there is no connection but that Nazis are less repulsive than liberals.

You might like this porn https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/a-prison-a-body-nsfw.63933/

You might like the following video on the manosphere and disability (being trans is a form of neurodiversity and a form of disability) https://youtu.be/qt2SqmgBMEI

>>2445241
Oh I know there are reactionary trans women. Which is another interesting discussion, like some trans women were somewhat influential in the early NrX sphere. But there's a general universal theme of either bonding over targeting the same out-group (Zionist trans women going after Palestinians and pro-Palestinian activists, "based" MAGA trans women going after migrants, etc), or general anti-communism and advocating bourgeois interests.

I also don't see being trans as a form of disability, or something neurologically abnormal or something which should be pathologized and "treated". And this includes the idea that transitioning itself is a "treatment" for a "medical condition".
I think there is an appeal to transitioning that revolves around how it is self-empowering. Which is a view I've never really seen anyone bring up. If you can change your own gender and the perception of your sex, then what else can you be?
There are examples of what today is recognized as transgenderism in pre-modern times, but I do think some cases today might be a response the pressures or living under capitalism. Some cope through drugs, some cope by flying to Bangkok to be sucked off by a prostitute, others cope and "assume control" over their lives by transitioning. Thus proving they're not mere passive subjects under capitalism and can shape their own destiny.
I think the medicalisation of transgenderism, and the hysteria surrounding it in general, and specifically transwomen, however is exemplary of the general anxiety and angst of live under capitalism. And I also think the whole notion of trans people needing to first be diagnosed with a "medical condition" before they or their transitioning are considered valid is silly.
I bet if Foucault were still around he'd have a lot to say about it.

>>2445244
You misunderstand what I mean about queerness and neurodiversity. Being asocial, being aromantic, being asexual or being homosexual what's the difference here? They're all non-normative desires.

You just don't get trans people. It's not a midlife crisis thing.

IDGAF about Foucault, mostly because I don't think he has a good theory of where desire comes from. To me, desire or lack is fundamentally rooted in an alienating society. I think it's utopian to aim for a non-alienating society. I expect a socialist society should be more alienating and more desiring than a capitalist society. But I do think in a socialist society, man comes into control of his own desires. Through controlling the means of production, man controls the means of his alienation.

I suppose this overlaps with what the previous poster mentioned about Zizek and taboo. There is no study thing as a society without deriving pleasure from the violation of taboo.

I think ultimately this comes down to liberal hedonism. I don't want a happy and contented humanity because that is a phantom. I want a humanity in control of its own alienation. I expect a communist society to be far more psychosexually perverse and fucked up than Nazis or liberals. Alienation and desire are not the problem, the problem is the lack of control over our own alienation.

I'm not against capitalist society implanting so-called "false" desires into us because our social desires are always constituted by social relationships of alienation. What I am opposed to is the privately controlled, unequal and exploitive alienation of the many for the benefit of the few.

>>2445275
>Being asocial, being aromantic, being asexual or being homosexual what's the difference here?
That's assuming I don't reject even heterosexuality as "normative". You also misunderstand my point about transness: I'm not saying it is or has anything to do with a midlife crisis. Alienation, and a desire to affirm one's own autonomy, freedom and will can occur when one is still a teenage or even younger.
I also simply don't see why being trans should be any more controversial than men and women having plastic surgery, working out, using stimulants and steroids, not only to conform to a particular idea femininity or masculinity, but simply because it makes them feel better and more in control of their own lives. Gender transition only appears more "extreme" because of the assumed sanctity of (traditional) sex hierarchies and roles, and the particular sexual pathologies of reactionaries in general.

I also disagree that communism would be more psychosexually perverse, because both what we consider to be psychosexually perversity and the origins of it, are tied to our life under capitalism.
I'm simply not convinced a society where most men are obsessed with owning, controlling and feel entitled to women's bodies, is capable of being communist. There are anxieties in this, about being denied access to something, or feeling emasculated and humiliated when one is not the "dominant" party, that carry over to wider social relations and relations of production as well.
The widespread obsession with female virginity, the sexual life of ones daughters and sisters, and the assumed infidelity on part of one's wives or girlfriends, in both subsistence agrarian cultures, and modern suburbia also coincides with other exploitative and patriarchal structures.
The desire for freedom from a supposed "oppression", or the freedom to simply "be oneself" or travel wherever one wants, is not the same as pleasure derived from sadism and wanting to see others subjugated into a caste system. You cannot reduce liberalism to libertine hedonism. Richer Spencer ranting about quadroons and desiring old racial hierarchies is not the same as a transwomen stating they wish they felt safer being out in public.

>>2445292
You cannot say that "psychosexuality", whatever that means, only emerge during capitalism or tied to it. Because taboos predated capitalism, and in fact violation and reconciliation with violatiors of taboos made up a huge part of hunter gatherer society. Imagining a society thay does not derive from violations of taboos, but you do not want that, you want a society with 'correct" taboos and good morality and this is idealistic and religious at the very best.
>There are anxieties in this, about being denied access to something, or feeling emasculated and humiliated when one is not the "dominant" party, that carry over to wider social relations and relations of production as well.
Because sex is limited and men are inherently estranged from the process of reproduction, and unfortunately we came up with patriarchal societies to assure continuation of lineage, unlike bonobos where sex is freely avaliable and thus mediate dialectical tension between men and women.
The solution to this is to alter the material base so that the superstructure, that is male anxiety, ceased to be obsolete; perhaps we should externalize reproduction and encourage artificial insemination in tubes. Then we can move on to other taboos. What you are doing, comrade,is merely wagging your finger and pathologizing desires without any actual material analysis.

>The desire for freedom from a supposed "oppression", or the freedom to simply "be oneself" or travel wherever one wants, is not the same as pleasure derived from sadism and wanting to see others subjugated into a caste system.

So if it is a "good" desire, which does not harm anyone, then it is authentic desire, but "bad" desires, which harm people, like spitefulness or desire to dominate, is inauthentic to your self?
Where does it come from then? Does Satan give this desire to us, like what the religious people said?
No, the desire for someone to be recognized comes from the same source that gives you a desire to harm,humiliate, and inflict pain on others: yourself. You cannot adopt this view that one is authentic to self and one is not, because, what, the latter harms other people? If i want to harm myself to please others does that make my desires the most authentic of all then, because not only am i not hurting others but i'm increasing their pleasure in a utilitarian way?

I'm not condoning these desires anon. But this is human desire; by nature it thrives in violation and transgression of norms. Again, think of JDPON memes or the phenomenon of Fedposting in general. The answer is not to suppress them, which is the religious answer of praying whenever you have sinful thoughts,but to develop a coherent ethical system that accomodates human perversion and societal flourishing

Some of the leftists here are literally just stealth Christians and you guys expose yourselves whenever we talk about desires btw

>>2445343
And islamists too

>>2445292
>>2445339
I actually disagree that patriarchy is inherent to capitalism. I see patriarchy as similar to imperialism as related to the stagnation of state-monopoly capitalism. IMO patriarchy has more to do with the housing sector than anything else. IMO Blackstone is eliminating patriarchy by proletarianizing petty-bourgeois homeowners. For the longest time, we have had urban sprawl, due to the stagnation of imperialism housing was never really industrialized. One big corporation monopolizing all the land and forcing everyone onto renting is how capitalism gets rid of homeowners and industrializes domestic labor. I see a better way out of patriarchy in fighting for social housing but patriarchy is going to end regardless. It's just very slow. You really had a major regression to patriarchy due to post-war imperial super-profits and urban sprawl. Semi-relevant https://www.marxists.org/subject/women/authors/davis-angela/housework.htm

>>2445343
Psychology/eugenics is just Calvinist replacement theology TBH. A lot of this stuff literally is Christianity.


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