>>2424976Don't worry about my triumph, I made enough betting correctly on the course and outcome of this SMO *laughs
Worry about yourself acting like Putin's cuck throughout it
>>2424155>i think at this point cucktin is feeling some pressure to make a dealpressure from what?
>his war machine has completely bogged down and the russian economy is finally starting to feel the consequences of the warright as they are making significant gains?
got a source that isnt rfl? seems to me its just a continuation of demonstrating willingness to talk for the benefit of third party watchers(india, china etc)
>>2425059>right as they are making significant gains? But are they making them fast enough?
In other news there are reports of Russians reaching the city centers of Pokrovsk and Kupiansk, and even units operating tens of kilometers behind Ukrainian lines.
>>2424155>>2424166>>2424589trump doesn't understand the russian position and when he's told it he will not be willing to swallow the demands because it will look like a capitulation, the same as it's been all along.
my guess is the talks will amount to nothing and the war will end militarily, same as before. it's political theater that buys Dump some time and gets the neocons off his back for a while. He doesn't want to do the giga-tariffs he threatened because it will kill the US economy and his presidency, but he has no other cards (except maybe assassinating/arresting Putin in Alaska and hoping that does something.)
>>2424972>takes nato's cock out of mouth for 5 seconds to post on /ukr/ about what he wants to seeyeah, no one cares faget
>>2424034>muh ebin comic is a good counter argument to empirical evidenceAmerica bombed Japan to ashes. Japan today loves America.
The USSR leveled Germany to the ground. Germany during the Cold War loved Russia and only stopped loving Russia when Russia lost the Cold War.
Israel BTFO every Arab nation enemy it ever had and forced the remaining ones to sign peace treaties with it. No one else seems to care besides the Palestinians themselves.
Clearly killing tons of people works and anything else is cope.
>>2425198>No I'm actually furiousYou must be because imagine contradicting yourself that quickly lmao
>The fact that Ukraine cucked Cucktin out of 80% of Ukraine is good enough.>It should be 100%So you're pleased that Ukraine retains 80% of its territory, but you're ackshually furious Russia didn't get 100%
>>2425201>You can't readYou literally started your first post by claiming I work for the FSB but now you're Russia's greatest advocate claiming they ought to have had 100% of Ukraine.
There's two possible angles for shitposting, there's the pro-Ukrainian angle that lauds Ukraine for "cucking" Russia out of territories it never set foot on and there's the concern trolling disgruntled "pro-Russian" angle that asserts that Russia had maximalist goals as set by a handful of talking heads on Russian media and should have achieved all of those goals because Russia stronk 2nd army of the world Command and Conquer Red Alert vibes.
You've attempted both in quick succession despite the contradiction because you are in fact furious, just not in the way you wish to present it.
>I meant for UKRAINE 80% is a good enough result.Well, you're wrong, because Zelensky still insists that 1991 borders is the only satisfactory goal for Ukraine.
> my own political views 20% is dogshit.Strange because you're talking like that matters at all to anyone.
>>2425203>You literally started your first post by claiming I work for the FSB but now you're Russia's greatest advocate claiming they ought to have had 100% of Ukraine.And? Both can be true. What is a contradiction in your mind is not a contradiction in reality.
>There's two possible angles for shitposting, there's the pro-Ukrainian angle that lauds Ukraine for "cucking" Russia out of territories it never set foot on and there's the concern trolling disgruntled "pro-Russian" angle that asserts that Russia had maximalist goals as set by a handful of talking heads on Russian media and should have achieved all of those goals because Russia stronk 2nd army of the world Command and Conquer Red Alert vibes. Ah that's the problem. Your brain is so small you can't comprehend the notion of someone supporting Russia winning the war but also criticizing the government every step of the way for their mistakes. You mistake blind obedience as the only form of support possible which explains a lot about the Slav worldview and how retarded Russians are.
>Well, you're wrong, because Zelensky still insists that 1991 borders is the only satisfactory goal for Ukraine.And he has his entire life to accomplish those goals. Russia thought they won in Syria then got BTFO a decade later. Same thing can happen with Ukraine.
>Strange because you're talking like that matters at all to anyone.It clearly matters to you hence your attempted psychoanalysis of my position but you're too stupid to understand that you initiated that topic.
>>2425263Spurdo anon posted a video of said media talking heads declaring maximal goals with short victory times accompanied with a claim that Ukraine cucked Russia and indeed all of those talking heads by retaining 80% of their land… then immediately placed himself amongst those talking heads with similarly maximal goals for Russia and therefore someone Ukraine has also cucked, that he is furious about, but not so much that he can't reason to himself that Ukraine cucking him out of celebrating Russia taking 100% of Ukraine surely is good enough compared to their actual stated goal of retaking all of the 1991 borders, that they still consider their sole victory condition literally to today.
I suppose there is a continuity to it, but it's weird, directionless, entirely personal and doesn't do anything to counter my original point that the flip side to
>Lol Russia failed because they didn't get 100% of Ukraineis that they're therefore celebrating the possibility of surrendering Crimea, Lugansk and Donbass, that are the original grounds the civil war was fought over and that Kiev has had the sole stated mission of reclaiming against the will of the locals for the last 9 years.
That is to say, if they are actually celebrating unironically, then it can only be through gritted teeth and wet eyes.
>Trump's special envoy Witkoff misunderstood >Kyiv • UNN>August 9 2025, 02:42 AM • 12234 views
>US President Donald Trump's special envoy, Steve Witkoff, "misunderstood" Russian dictator Vladimir Putin. This is reported by the German publication BILD, citing sources, according to UNN.Details
>"Vladimir Putin still wants full control over the Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia, and Kherson regions. He only offered a partial ceasefire – a refusal to attack energy facilities and large cities in the rear. But not a comprehensive ceasefire," a BILD source stated.
>The publication emphasizes that the US, on the contrary, proposed freezing the war along the current front line in exchange for a broad lifting of sanctions and new economic agreements with Russia. According to BILD, the Kremlin was unwilling to accept this proposal.https://unn.ua/en/news/trumps-special-envoy-witkoff-misunderstood-putin-bildhaha. the "misunderstandings" and walkbacks start already.
>oooooh you meant WE had to leave kherson and zapo. Well i….everyone needs to cool their jets and stop believing rumors in the press. putin is not going to cuck from the previous demands.
and even if he somehow did it would probably be a show because he knows zelensky and the europeans will refuse to budge on anything and trump has proven unwilling or incapable of standing them down or cutting them off. so they refuse the agreement and either the conflict continues as before or trump changes color and finally blames them for refusing peace and cuts them off. either way is ok for russia.
Everyone should know by now that Zelensky and the Euros will never rest until they get to find out who is the last holhol. They wouldn't allow Putin to cuck even if he wanted to.
>>2424031>Anyways, this is why I think the Cucktin posters probably have the right instincts, and Putin will make some sort of deal.Anything less than the four oblasts as Russia and the Banderite government gone (hint: Zaluzhny is just Zelensky 2.0) is a vindication of Cucktin posters and a strategic defeat for Russia.
Luckily… there's no way Putin will accept less than that. Right? R-r-r-r-right? :/
>>2425319You're coping.
Four oblasts + Zelensky government gone is the bare minimum. Now you're even reneging on that ("muh nuance") because you hate that Putin is going to make a fool of you.
>>2425327I'm allowed to use the same point Spurdo made
>And he has his entire life to accomplish those goals. Russia thought they won in Syria then got BTFO a decade later. Same thing can happen with Ukraine.Rather than Zelensky (or the governments fashioned as his successors and that of Poroshenko) living for long enough to see Russia's inevitable terminal cuckout and collapsing by which Ukraine gets full victory by default, 10-15 years after the end of hostilities, I postulate the possibility that, au contraire, there isn't very much life left in the current Ukrainian political class that isn't entirely life support from the West who you might have missed, don't find the Nazis to be all that easy to work with.
>>2424034The reason I don't like the 'nuke Kiev' talk is that it implies that Putin is operating at peak non-nuclear performance and that nuking is his only remaining option, but there are many conventional steps before that - for instance, he could finally kill Ukraine's power and bring the country to a grinding halt. This is NATO SOP under dual-use infrastructure.
But it's absolutely true that, albeit with n=1, the historical record has a precedent that nuclear aggressors don't become pariah states, apparently not even in their eyes of their nuclear victims.
>>2425335Spurdo's views change depending on the drugs he's taking each day.
Settling for less than the four oblasts (even the Istanbul 2024 conditions included those four oblasts) and the de-Nazification of the Ukrainian government is not NATO being thwarted any more than the Crimea land grab in 2014 was NATO being thwarted. It just makes the inevitable clash between Russia and the Banderite proxy more difficult in future, as the 2014 negligence showed.
I've sided with you against the maximalism of taking all of Ukraine or even Kiev, but this is asking too much and appears like a bad cope spell.
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