>>2406724I was also weighting in, pondering, whether the reduction of time was because of the EU bending down or what. the timing is very sus, but I am not sure exactly was what the US would do in both cases. trade imbalance? the US trade imbalance comes from China and other developing nations, where the US buys more knick-knacks for whatever reason and not of the overpriced products the EU sells to the US.
After all, the EU is incurring to trade imbalances, too, due to the financialization of the EU currency.
I guess it's just that he's angry that the EU was always vocally attacking trump, even keir starmer influencing the US elections against him, in a very UK collusion that would make the Russian collusion hoax to pale, so maybe it's just that: he wanted to humiliate the EU to finally keep the same thing biden was doing.
nothing changed, except the EU finally wagged their tail to trump.
here, for the record, we can see the nazi-slave owner pustula von der merde openly admitting to the question "What are the US concessions? What is the US giving up in the deal" that the US didn't give any concessions, didn't give up anything.
>>2406738 (me)
>>2406724forgot the video of pustula von der merde addmitting that the can be very flexible negotiating with the US. bending-a-lot to the US, that is.
>>2406738>Trump announced on Sunday that the EU will also purchase $750 billion worth of US energy exports.So iirc part of the punishment for Russia not surrendering in 50 days was slapping nations that “fund Russia’s war” with 100% tariffs was essentially targeted at nations that are selling Russian energy as an intermediary to EU nations, with the idea being those nations will balk and quit reselling Russian gas and oil entirely.
I think primarily Trump, with his America First bollocks, only cares about avoiding competition (especially when selling to its vassals) and Russia was undercutting the US even selling via an intermediary and a few EU states are very touchy about giving up Russian energy, so threatening to cut the EU entirely off from Russian energy results in a guaranteed purchase of nearly a trillion dollars worth of US energy by the EU, who will no doubt make the population foot the bill while allowing industry to purchase Russian energy as usual. If Trump in anyway rolls back his threats about targeting Russian energy intermediaries once this much shortened deadline passed, it will be because the US got to wet its beak in the European energy market and now no longer cares what the EU spends additionally on cheaper energy.
>>2406794>with 100% tariffs was essentially targeted at nations that are selling Russian energy as an intermediary to EU nations, with the idea being those nations will balk and quit reselling Russian gas and oil entirelythe problem is, how can they prove that's
Russian oil. Russia can buy through their partners around the world oil, mix it, and then resell it under shady operations, and make it untraceable. Also, the EU has large refineries specialized to process only Russian oil.
Worst case escenario, Russia processes those raw materials and re-sells the secondary raw materials as semi-processed goods, that then are parts of new hardware and components. Russia
has that capability.
>If Trump in anyway rolls back his threats about targeting Russian energy intermediaries once this much shortened deadline passed, it will be because the US got to wet its beak in the European energy market and now no longer cares what the EU spends additionally on cheaper energy.I don't think he will. He'll take the EU concession as a reason to further keeping the conflict, because all this reluctance was because the EU wasn't bending themselves too much.
>>2406805now that DDR anon posted in the USAPOL, and he adamantly said that the EU isn't Germany, it's Kaja Kallas, the baltoids, and every other peripheral country directing the EU.
let remind that recently fridrich merz said that the EU diplomacy is directed, (against the EU constitutional andfoundational laws: by consensus and total unanimity), by who holds the power in it, saying that Germany will lead the EU diplomacy. that is, taking steps to further escalate the conflict against Russia.
>>2406853>I'd be uncomfortable with any framing that doesn't treat WW1 as a part of the great power competition and a result of UK hegemonytrue, except UK wasnt an hegemon like USA is today, they were simply the first among the imperialists.
>which means the German reich wasn't imperialistshit, you guys
still dont understand what is imperialism? how many times has it been explained in this thread?
just take a look at the economies of great powers in ww1 (or read lenin who did the work) and the relative size of their stock markets, and then compare it to today.
>>2406821I think the EU is detached even from average Germans. Germany was after all hammered for dragging its feet after 2022, and shows a lot of disillusionment in polling with Ukraine.
The same detachment is seen with Israel
An international order is being held together increasingly despite the people under it, including those who benefited more than others, and yes it increasingly relies on utterly dependent vassal states and their historical victim mentality (stolen from europe and now wedded to it) for legitimacy.
>>2406875well, it is detached from average Germans, that doesn't mean the current vassal leader is very keen, eager in fact, in leading the German state to that point.
And he was elected for that matter.
>>2407107Nah it’s the same pathology as cucktinposters, but whereas cucktinposters are like
>Just bomb a NATO base in Poland bro, tell them to put up or shut upMedvedev talks as though that already happened at least once
>>2407109Trump is turning out, unsurprisingly, to just be the plausible deniability wrt the US’s drastic turn towards tightening their grip on their vassals and their coffers.
Trump was the unlikely, larger than life, big personality, populist “accident” that so vulgarly flexed the US’s power over everyone, future US governments will surely apologise for this rather hostile anomaly in the “special relationship” with their vassals, for letting the dog through the net, but they will also regretfully concede that it’s already too late to reverse or compensate for, sowwy :3
>>2406796speaking of which, now the EU says they aren't sure they can pay all that money to trump.
EU, such a jokistan. all bad unfunny theatrics.
Yeah let's talk about something else, like the relation both countries have with Palestine
>Putin condemned the October 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel that sparked the Gaza war and said Israel had a right to defend itself, but also criticized Israel's response and said Israel should not besiege the Gaza Strip in the way Nazi Germany besieged Leningrad. Putin suggested that Russia could be a mediator in the conflict.[36]>In December 2023, Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said that Russia's goals of "demilitarization" and "denazification" in Ukraine were similar to Israel's stated goals of defeating Hamas and extremism in Gaza.[37][38] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine%E2%80%93Russia_relationsAnd Ukraine
<Israel did not vote for a UN resolution calling on Russia to pay reparations for invading Ukraine.[17]<During the Gaza war, Ukraine's Foreign Ministry condemned attacks on Palestinian civilians in Gaza and supported a two-state solution to the conflict.[18] More than 300 Ukrainian scholars, activists and artists expressed solidarity with Palestinians in an open letter.[19] Most of the Ukrainian community in Gaza was forced to flee the country because of the war.[20]<On 2 June 2024, Zelensky reiterated Ukraine's support for a two-state solution. He remarked that, while Ukraine has supported Israel's right for self-defence against Hamas during the attacks in October 2023, during the humanitarian crisis Ukraine said that it is ready to help Gaza humanitarianly and it "will do everything so that Israel stops and civilians do not suffer."[21]<On 18 July 2024, Ukraine sent a gift of 1,000 tons of its wheat flour to the Palestinian territories. According to the foreign ministry, the package will be enough to support more than 100,000 Palestinian families for a month.[22][23] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine%E2%80%93Ukraine_relationsThoughts zion gang?
>>2407563One country blamed the crisis on the lack of a two state solution and linked it to endless US wars in the middle east while pursuing security ties to Iran. The other had its leader try to visit Israel immediately in order to bridge Western aid to both and claim Israel as a state ideal as a bulwark for Western civilization.
>>2407571>how does one 'liberate' a sovereign, foreign country?It's pretty easy when said country claims the land but not the people inhabiting it, then wants to use the former to divide the world as the state regresses.
>>2407563hamas is not palestine
hamas was created by idf to propagate islamism and obstruct the secular government in western bank. i wouldn't even be surprised if the october war was inspired by netanyahu himself as a means of cannibalizing the far right parties he was forced to co-rule with.
it's no wonder both countries are very close to israel - eastern europe is brimming with jews: zelensky's a full jew, putin's half jew.
hell, russians and (modern) jews are descended from the same people - khazars.
>>2407563>tired and lame attempt at both-sidismRussia is allied with Israel's regional enemies. It defended Syria for years against a joint US-Israeli-Turkish-VariousArabCuck attack while Ukraine aided the attack. It arms and helps defend Iran against Israeli attacks, while Ukraine aids the attacks.
Ukraine and Israel are both imperial proxies of the US empire. They are the same thing and fight for the same thing. They attack the same things, and it's almost always allies of Russia.
Russia has tried to maintain normal relations with Israel, basically riding the fence, but that's as far as it goes, and we'll see how long that lasts. It's a facade everyone seems ok playing along with for now.
But fuck words and posturing. Words are for politics and appearances. If you want to know what's what, look at the actions. And the actions tell you everything you need to know.
>>2407571First, it's not sovereign. It is a wholly owned dependency of US-NATO. A slave state, essentially.
Second, it was not a unified country but a divided one. That is why there was a civil war, and a contact line, and negotiations between warring sides that ended with a peace treaty (which Ukraine violated and refused to follow, causing the current war).
Ukraine as a country was taken over illegally and unconstitutionally by a criminal faction that could not gain the absolute power they sought through the normal process. So they aligned with foreign powers to seize it by force, disenfranchising a majority of the people who voted for the deposed. Then the criminal faction banned all meaningful opposition to itself, and especially candidates and parties popular among the people of the deposed government, to ensure those people would have no franchise or any say in the direction of state.
2014 was a usurpation of national sovereignty, a denial of the basic rights of large parts of the country and the establishment of a factional dictatorship. Subsequent elections were just a mirage that could only elect one or another element of the maidan movement and would always wind up with NATO-dictated policy no matter who won (see Zelensky the "peace candidate").
The areas of Ukraine that had their votes and rights stolen by the "revolution" and had to endure what was/is essentially an apartheid regime directed against them, can be reasonably called liberated when Russia boots out the usurpers.
>>2407710>Hello fellow tankies>Zigger>Cucktin>Ur FSBWhat Israel gets from Russia:
A parade invite
What Israel gets from Ukraine:
mitliary and intelligence assistance in attacking it's regional enemies (who happen to usually be Russian allies).
Guess which one our false-flagging /uhg/ friend tries to pass of as significant.
The fact is Ukraine is objectively and materially helping the cause of Greater Israel. It helped Israel attack and overthrow Syria. And it's helping Israel attack Iran. And it will keep doing so at every turn in the future.
Meanwhile Russia will continue trying to help Israel/Ukraine's victims defend themselves from the attacks.
>>2406937>japan wasn't imperialist in WW2 because not enough stock market why even bother responding if its to show you complete ignorance you retarded dumbfuck, japan stock market was similar to that of france in 1930 and became even bigger than it afterward
just admit you're an idiot with no ability to root an analysis in either reality or theory because you dont bother with either, hence you're only an useless shitposter
>>2407835try reading better or stop lying to whitewash Ukraine.
the meeting was to discuss how Israel and Ukraine could cooperate in Israel's next attacks on Iran. Ukraine thanking Israel for launching a war of aggression against a sovereign state was just a courtesy between allies and fellow ethno-nationalists, not the point of the meeting.
Ukraine already helped Israel topple Syria, They need to discuss how Ukraine could better help Israel's next rounds of aggression and imperial expansion.
Meanwhile Russia will be talking with Iran about how to sure up its defenses against Israel/Ukraine's attacks.
>>2407729>What does russia gain by supporting israel?Russia has a bunch of Jewish billionaires who have dual Russian-Israel citizenship and own businesses and high-end property in both countries, and they also use Israeli citizenship to shield their assets from Western sanctions (also Cyprus). Just follow the money. I'm not trying to kick Jews here but it's really funny that antisemitic /pol/ types who support Russia via the West think that they're fighting da Joos while converting to Orthodox Christianity or whatever they do.
Leftists can debate whether the war is inter-imperialist or not, but the way I've been thinking about it, the bourgeoisie is a "band of warring brothers" as Marx put it. Putin's job (as a Bonapartist leader) is to protect their wealth from other predatory capitalists in the world but also ordinary Russians who have been getting robbed.
Israel served a similar function for the U.S. during the Cold War as other "captive nations" groups did. The U.S. understood that nation-states (or potential nation-states like Ukraine) and Latvia/Estonia/Lithuania could serve as disintegrating forces for the Soviet Union. Nation-states are also useful vehicles for capitalism, as capital needs states for protection and expansion, and as tools to print money and to help stabilize the inevitable crises that occur, and they also need national states and borders to mask class divisions, split up workers, and raise armies to fight their wars over labor, markets and resources (which creates inter-imperialist rivalries). But the ultimate victory for capital in the last century was that Russia itself also went down this path, which might partly explain the Russian government's fascination with encouraging nationalism in Western countries. There are glowies in Russia who are projecting their own experiences in the late 20th century onto the U.S. when they see a couple of rednecks barking about Texas seccessionism.
>>2407563you know you are a moron, when you ignore the fact that Russia's help in Syria, if anything, served to help Palestine.
Do yourself a favor and stab your rectum with a sword, because that's the only honorable way for you to commit seppuku.
>>2407563I don't care what Putin does, or thinks or what flavor of retard cope the Russian state huffs or expresses to the public.
In actual reality, the RF has found itself in opposition to NATO when it comes to the cold war and the perpetuation of US hegemony. And their role in that conflict would be progressive, even if, in fact they were doing all the things that the western propaganda says. It just has nothing to do with the idealism you spout.
>>2408350>PFLP … had their headquarters in Damascus.The PFLP-GC did but they were a splinter group run by Syrian glowies.
You know a lot of Palestinians are not into Russia or Assad like you are right
>>2408607I think it's rough for them when globalization breaks down in ways we rather than liberals and nationalists predict. It's basically the whole bourgeois international system versus individual non-Western developing nations and this validates the view neocolonialism is what divides the world. This view also supposes a crisis of imperialism causing conflict that also predicts failure. You can see the implications for post 2014 Ukraine despite it being the genesis and russiagate and militarization of the West.
You have to work overtime to falsify this and overwrite with other divisions, thus Russia as part of a zionist alliance against Islam or an American one against China.
>>2408707I think you are confused if not sarcastic
Collapse was achieved by NATO and friends a long time ago. Ukraine is a shambolic mess, a zombie propped up by the sheer weight of extreme subsidization.
Do you think they'll "go back" to an independent functioning country when this "blows over". Man, you people are untethered from reality, completely and terminally.
Ukrainian man not happy at picking berries
He went berry picking onto Finland to avoid living in Ukraine but he doesnt like it here
He is picking up strawberries on summer in a Finnish strawberry farm
https://yle.fi/a/74-20172942?origin=rssBoryslava Whipmann ended up as berry picker. Farm owner is awful.
>Longer work days than what was initially agreed upon
>Housing resembles pig den more than a hotel
>2 weeks of work without a whole day resting (he would have liked to sleep over entire Sunday)
>He is getting paid 1 euro per a littre of picked up berry, HOWEVER a Finnish man on a marketplace 33 kilometers away from strawberry ranch, has to pay 10 liters for the same berries, strawberry farm lord gets 9 euros for himself!
>Strawberries are sold by the farm owner himself so he doesnt have to pay anyone for that part
>When Finnish YLE reporters appeared on the farm and demanded see the worklist of Ukrainians on the fields the owner, Finnish man named Pekka whose last name will not be revealed, would refuse to show the media the list
>"Everyone can leave here anytime they wish, simple as, but you probably can't return later if you do, and there are more people willing to pick berries if need be">>2408718kek what a moron
he should have fled to belarus instead
especially if he wanted to be a farm worker like bro wtf are you retarded Lukashenko will literally give you free housing if you join a collective farm smh
>>2406937Israel isn't imperialist just like Rhodesia wasn't
Its a shithole settler colony that doesn't have capability for sophisticated domination of foreign markets
>>2408652>Praise to comrade al jolani for letting the pflp stay in damascus😴😴😴
he took away their weapon. no Palestinian group can have weapons now. You don't care about Palestine, never did, you disgusting radlib.
Moreover, it has been reported that Palestinians who once held land in Syria thanks to the Assads, now their land is being stolen by HTS. Also HTS is imposing levies to Palestinian farmers in Idlib, arresting those who complained.
Again, put a sword in your rectum and commit seppuku. That's the only honorable way for you to die.
https://interfax.com/newsroom/top-stories/112936/
>MOSCOW. July 29 (Interfax) - The next nationwide local elections in Ukraine set in line with election laws for the last Sunday in October 2025 will not be held, Ukrainian media reported with reference to the Central Election Commission (CEC).
>The Ukrainian Verkhovna Rada normally sets a date for nationwide local elections no later than 90 days prior to the voting day; however, due to martial law imposed in the country, no elections can be organized or held during this period, and therefore, the Rada has not called regular local elections this year, media said referring to a statement on the CEC's website.
>"No elections are organized and held while martial law is in effect, and therefore, members of the territorial elections commissions formed during the previous regular local elections on October 25, 2020 shall continue performing their duties until new compositions of relevant territorial elections commissions are formed," CEC member Sergei Postivy said. >>2410229I’m having a brainwave, what if what NATO seeks to imperialise in Ukraine is not raw materials, or wheat but the women? If the women are
>Trad culturally >Beautiful>Motivated romantically by money>Selfish and devoid of civic mindedness>Simp for the relatively more powerfulThen that’s the dream for every gooning rightoid man in the west, our demographic issues concerning birth rates could be solved overnight!
>>2410223well, that's the prize you pay for liberalism. international debauchery, impulse to succumb to a better life instead of face the rough path ahead. who's to blame? Ukrainians chose the road of liberalism, ardently, even as of now. they are fighting for their right to be in the west, or send their daughters, girlfriends, wives, to the west, so they can get drunk, get drugs, and live a menial life and call it "realization".
>>2410380I am talking that they, all in ukraine, are happily dying for that to happen. to them, it's a realization to not have a notion of nation and fatherland, very appropriate of liberalism. because they will leave to whatever place they feel it'll be a materialist realization to live a life like that. like having a room with knick-knacks, drug yourself, party non-stop, etc. instead of facing problems ahead, and come to terms that you won't exploit others, and for that you'll have less.
reddit poster feels bad for them, but you see no ukrainian easily surrendering in great numbers on the LOC.
I don't feel bad for them. I feel contempt, because they get what the deserve, whether they realized it was a consequence of their choices or it was an unintended consequence of their choices.
>>2409539Get those arthritic grandpas in there. Then throw the corpses into a literal meat grinder.
We use every part of the animal, we are environmentalists.
>>2410561What a nonsensical statement.
I have maybe sounded blasé about this in the past
>>2410557 and probably will again.
The truth is it is truly fucked up.
If I got one of those pro-war ukrainians in a quiet moment, it's a crime that "Do you know where your gramps is rn?", is a legitimate question. Do you want to be evropean this much that having your grandpa grabbed off the street while he's trying to get his beets and onions is a price worth paying?
This thing started with a Volkssturm and it looks like it will end with one.
I have no idea about the funny arrows and I don't follow the day-to-day at all but this fact alone makes it clear how grim things are.
>>2410347>>2410453I got it by AFP spanish
LOL not reported in english
>Russian army claims they took Chasiv YarIn english there is just firefighters in Kiev
>>2411003To be fair, if you were reading the White House's actions as indicative of the developments within Ukraine you would be justified in the confusion or mistake of believing of a US withdrawal of support for the war.
Zelensky's saving grace is an adamantine and dictatorial clutch onto the conditions of his presidency.
>>2411155It was pretty amazing how quickly
>Nazi salutes and tattoos>Racially profiling Russians as stupid and mindlessly aggressive towards anything or anyone non-Russian >Diplomacy is a non-starter, Russians just need to be eradicated at least from Europe if not Russia itself All became a-okay ideas with internet libs overnight.
But then they do think supporting “diversity” is about tolerance, like it’s some saintly virtue to not vomit blood at the sight of someone with a different skin colour in your proximity. So when you’ve got this global division where some reject the virtuousness of the west for very valid reasons, nah that’s too much to tolerate, we must eviscerate them in self-defence!
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