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Chynah Indians funds the war in Ukraine edition.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-scotland-uk-starmer-eu-trade-deal/


Previous: >>2406661

Evidence of the influence and origin of neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine

https://archive.ph/44B9Q
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323637
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323658
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323663
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323688
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323729
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323733
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323731
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323735
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323740

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ALWAYS APPROACH SOURCES CRITICALLY

Live maps and updates
DeepStateMap: https://deepstatemap.live
Events in Ukraine: https://eventsinukraine.substack.com/
SouthFront: https://southfront.press/category/all-articles/world/europe/ukraine/

Watch Together
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Watch By Yourself
>Video Essays / Historical Background
📺 • Ukraine: The Avoidable War - Boy Boy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL4eNy4FCs8

📺 • Ukraine's Nazi Problem - The Marxist Project
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yZvWAwU5W4

📺 • America, Russia, and Ukraine's Far Right - Gravel Institute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0pyVJG7_6Q

📺 • The Nature of Putin's Russia and Its Causes (3-Part Series) - 1Dime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8d6Vzi7zYg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zODWTfMwFGw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zuygh9Mzuo

<Current Happenings

📺 • The Grayzone: https://www.youtube.com/@thegrayzone7996
📺 • DDGeopolitics: https://www.youtube.com/@DDGeopolitics
📺 • Defense Politics Asia: https://www.youtube.com/@DefensePoliticsAsia
📺 • The Duran: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdeMVChrumySxV9N1w0Au-w
📺 • The News Atlas: https://www.youtube.com/c/thenewatlas
📺 • Military Summary: https://www.youtube.com/@militarysummary

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meanwhile, somewhere in obscure TG group discussions…


>>2417983
But don't you see they are nazis! They had to invade just like the soviets invaded germany as soon as hitler gained power.

>Denmark, Sweden and Norway to allocate funds for purchasing American weapons for Ukraine

>The Danish Defense Ministry reported that the $89 million aid package will include missiles for the Patriot air defense system.


>In total, the three countries will allocate $500 million to Kiev.

>In Cherkassy, a man threatened to detonate a grenade and take TCC employees hostage

>Military commissars stopped the Ukrainian to check his documents. In response, he took out a grenade, pulled the pin and began threatening to explode it, trying to take military personnel hostage. But he was detained.

>Polish Sejm deputy Roman Fritz, who represents a far-right party, called the slogan "Glory to Ukraine!" Nazi and called for an end to aid to Kiev.

>>2417985
>>2417983
samefag.
don't make it too obvious.

>US Ambassador to NATO Matthew Whitaker said that the US can only transfer to Ukraine those types of weapons that do not undermine its own defense capability.


>Ukrainians need to be prepared for a possible war from kindergarten, approximately from the age of 5, said Deputy Head of the Territorial Defense Recruiting Center Shvaika.

>>2417995
projecting. take yours.

>Naftogaz has won the right to recover 120 million euros of assets from Russia in an Austrian court.
>20 Russian real estate properties in Austria will be auctioned off.
>The Russian side has the right to appeal.
>The total amount of Naftogaz's claims for properties in Crimea that came under Russian jurisdiction after the peninsula returned to Russia is $5 billion.

>Ukrainian "patriot" attacked a family vacationing on a Vinnitsa beach with a demand to "turn off Russian music".

>>2417996
To the last Ukrainian means to the last Ukrainian. Simple as

>Ukrainian supermarket shelves now have signs saying "This product could have been bought by a hero, but he is still in captivity."

>Ukrainian schoolchildren from the age of 14 will prepare for "national resistance" - the Ministry of Defense.

>The training program will include military-patriotic games "Sokol" and "Dzhura", as well as the subject "Defense of Ukraine".


>Basic combined arms training is being cancelled in universities, and is being replaced by "Fundamentals of National Resistance" without assigning a military specialty.

>The former head of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry (Kuleba) shared footage from his vacation with his fellow citizens. He probably wanted to cheer up those who are now at the front or hiding in the back streets from military commissars.

>The effect was quite the opposite.

>Massive social media backlash was reported.

loving these "quotes" without sources

>If the price of Ukraine's survival is such that certain of its territories will remain temporarily occupied, then so be it, - Czech President Petr Pavel.

>"Now Ukraine, with all the support of the West, is not in a position to liberate the occupied territories in a short period of time without great human losses," he noted.

lmao.

>>2418012
All from https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng, from ex Ukrainian chief intelligence officer, Prozorov, who ukrainians tried to kill in Moscow. Anyhow, you can search them on internet, lazy ass chums.

>In the Azov propaganda video, the actress proudly declares that her husband serves in this terrorist battalion.

>While a friend complains that her husband is forced to stay at home to avoid falling into the clutches of the TCC.

>>2418018
wow such a credible source

>>2418022
wow, such a faggot. better go here https://t.me/truexanewsua and get your credible sources.
or better, go to reddit, and medusa, then.

>EU military aid to Ukraine has been frozen since the beginning of the year because of Hungary — this is €6.6 billion, said former Vice-President of the European Commission Josep Borrell.

>He fears that Budapest may freeze the sanctions imposed against Russia.


>He states: "Since I left (end of last year), the EU has not provided Ukraine with new military aid. €6.6 billion from the European Peace Fund has been blocked because of Hungary. This was the end of this instrument. Now everything will happen on a bilateral basis. And if Hungary refuses to extend the sanctions, they cannot be extended. We are stuck," Borrell said in an interview with EUObserver.

>>2418018
>Quotes from a telegram of a random guy in Moscow

geg ziggers are same shit as hohols

>Satisfied Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers tell how they got to the front, with light music and natural landscapes in the background.

>The propaganda video of the Ukrainian Defense Ministry seems to hint that busification is not so bad.


lmao, the UKR government did seriously a propaganda video showing the beauty of the war.

>>2418029
>nooooo reeee I take quotes from a AP, AFP, and BBC, trustworthy sources.
die in a pitfire, nafo fag.

>In Krivoy Rog, the coordinated work of the police and TCC employees to pack another "stormtrooper" for the Ukrainian Armed Forces into a minibus was captured on video.

>The man tried to fight off the man-catchers, but the forces were too unequal.

>>2418031
I'd rather you give me the guy who said that turd boy, not some random guy supposedly saying what other people said

>>2418034
it's literally the same. or tell me, is there any of the posts in which Prozorov lied?

>Ukrainian media publish video of the aftermath of the bombing of the bridge that connects Kherson with the Island (Ostrov) district.

>The Ukrainian National Bank predicts that in the next two years, 7 times fewer refugees will return to Ukraine than previously expected.

>In April, the Ukrainian National Bank predicted that 200 thousand people would return in 2026, and another 500 thousand in 2027, now the National Bank believes that only 100 thousand Ukrainians will return from abroad and only in 2027, and the net outflow of the population this year and next year will be 200 thousand people.

>In the village of Bugskoye (Buzke) in the Nikolaev region, a TCC employee was beaten with bats and metal pipes and his car was damaged.

>The military commissar responded by shooting the attackers with a traumatic pistol.


>The police are investigating the circumstances of the incident.

>>2418040
>The military commissar responded by shooting the attackers with a traumatic pistol.
Literally just ultras in uniforms lmao.

>>2417983
At least you didn’t add the watermark to your overtly fascist telegram group this time dumb fuck

>In Ukraine, the animated series "Peppa The Pig" has been called pro-Russian. In one of the episodes, Peppa's younger brother George represents Russia at a festival of countries.

>"This means that when he grows up, he will go to war on Russia's side," activists are sure.

>>2417983
>sovereign
What

>The number of Ukrainian soldiers who left their units without permission has approached 400 thousand, MP Skorokhod said.

(this could be people deceased that the ukranian banderite government doesn't want to recognize to not pay the compensation)

>All Ukrainian refugees in Germany should be deprived of the right to receive increased benefits - Bürgergeld.

>This was called for by the Prime Minister of Bavaria Markus Söder (CSU).


>In 2024, Germany spent 46.9 billion euros on Bürgergeld, of which 22.2 billion went to foreigners. Ukrainians received 6.3 billion euros. The monthly payment is 563 euros.

So last year I dated a Ukrainian girl for a couple of weeks. There was a bit of a language barrier and obviously she had an aversion to russia and images of the ussr, which she also claimed represented Russia, she was cute and had art hoe vibes so I didn't think too much of it. After she went back to Kyev tho, I was watching her insta story and she confirmed herself to be a full on nazi, tattooing people with esoteric nazi symbols and straight up swastikas n totenkopfs n shit lmao

Now this is an anecdote of course, but I can't help but feel like it has made me a lot less sympathetic to their cause. Literally the first Ukrainian I talk to for a prolonged period of time turns out to be a straight up nazi lol.

So my question for the thread. How real is the nazi problem in Ukraine? Is my experience indicative of a larger issue or was it just coincidence that cucktin was right?

>>2417985
>just like the soviets invaded germany as soon as hitler gained power
they would have if they could nafotard

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>>2418055
>but I can't help but feel like it has made me a lot less sympathetic to their cause.
For me it was their constant nazi propaganda.

>>2418055
You should have converted her with your dick. You failed.

>>2418055
its obviously a major issue, you see nazi symbols literally everywhere and the official state policy is to suck bandera cock, and all people in important security and military positions are open nazis

This is a interimperialist conflict. ICP 's assesment of this conflict is correct.

>>2418005
Actually I do know someone based in France who isn’t Russian but speaks the language with clients and some Ukrainian tried to police them by telling them to stop speaking Russian on the phone in public.


It seems like Ukrainians are genuinely dedicated to their laws banning Russian, even outside of their own nation, at least until some camouflaged men jump out of an ambulance to grab them.

>The war in Ukraine will continue in 2026, People's Deputy Gorbenko predicts.

>The state budget is already planning to include full funding for the defense sector, he said.

>>2418070
kek where is the zigger predicting collapse by end of 2025?

>>2418062
Also I dunno if >>2418007 is true, but despite the obviously large participation of Ukrainian men in this conflict with many not surviving very long at the front, there is this bizarre fixation on the Azov Battalion fascists who surrendered at the Azovstal plant in Mariupol where you just see random billboards and banners demanding the release of the “defenders of Mariupol” and claiming they’re captives as though Russia is illegally refusing to repatriate them and thus fighting to the bitter end is the only chance to save the Azovites and presumably everyone should be motivated to die for that.

Incidentally it’s quite funny that you get nafoid here claiming that denazification is a lie because Russia supposedly already sent the Azovites home.

>>2418055
>How real is the nazi problem in Ukraine?
big. mostly in the western areas.
https://archive.ph/AsjM6
hundreds of streets, statues, town squares, busts, plaques, and all sort of urban decorative components there. huge chunks of what once was civil-paramilitary formations that appeared after the 2014 coup (many soldiers deserted from the UA army, thus the ukrainian state needed this) were gradually incorporated as full army members, with its generals, and officials (see picrel), all associated with parties winning mayoral offices, and some other minor positions.

>>2418073
>full funding for the defence sector
I have a sneaking suspicion that’s also full funding for the entire country by this point and none of it is being paid in Hryvinas

5/8/2025
>Zelensky is obsessed with power and has lost his political instinct, writes Neue Zürcher Zeitung.

>Zelensky will not be able to win in the confrontation with Russia.


>He "looks indecisive, maneuvering between the expectations of foreign partners, civil society and the old power structures," the publication notes.


https://www.nzz.ch/gesellschaft/fernsehstar-kriegspraesident-und-machtpolitiker-der-wandelbare-wolodimir-selenski-ld.1896267
(under a paywall)
(free access: https://archive.ph/9mdwG)

>>2418058
I guess I was naively holding out hope for that just being Russian propaganda

>>2418059
I tried anon, I think I got pretty close, but didn't have enough time to change her 😔

>>2418062
Yeah this seems to be the truth of it unfortunately


>>2418081
Crazy shit. She was from the east too ironically. I remember her saying her dad was pro russia, which I thought was odd at the time, but in hindsight probably just meant he wasn't a nazi and didn't consider russians to be subhumans or smt

>>2418085
oh, yeah, don't take me wrong, Azov was from Mariupol, and Tornado battalion is from Kharkov. So yes, in the east you can find it, too. But it's not as widespread as in the western side.

>>2418085
You have to remember these young people, have lived under a fascist regime for a solid portion of their life and a lot of that was their most formative years. They have been assaulted with fascist propaganda for over a decade now (and honestly it started in 1990 before the Soviet Union even fell, but it wasn’t full on until 2014). For a lot of Ukrainians, they never really had a choice

>For failure to appear at the TCC, female medics will be put on the wanted list within 60 days.

>There are no gender-based separate laws for women in Ukraine, the lawyer explained.

>>2418104
Still holding out hope for Ukrainian women. It was women who kicked off the French Revolution and the February Revolution

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speaking of Gunther….
https://nitter.net/GunterFehlinger/status/1952640688518058004
he's blaming on Serbia he got fired.

>In Ukraine, the number of school graduates has decreased by 75 thousand people or 26% in a year.

>In Ukraine, the number of school graduates has decreased by 75 thousand people or 26% in a year.


According to Deputy Minister of Education Vinnitsky, the number of graduates who passed the national multi-subject test (NMT) this year is 208 thousand people.

>Last year there were 283,370.


>As previously reported, Ukrainian teenagers are being taken abroad en masse. According to Deputy Minister of Education Vinnitsky, the number of graduates who passed the national multi-subject test (NMT) this year is 208 thousand people.


Last year there were 283,370.

As previously reported, Ukrainian teenagers are being taken abroad (https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/20291) en masse.

>>2418085
The Nazis in Ukraine do trend young since they’ve had the “Nazis were based because they killed millions of Russian civilians while letting Ukrainians collaborate and that’s kind of like revenge for the Holodomor” instilled in them their entire lives, it’s part of the reason why Kiev tries its very best to avoid reducing mobilisation age below 25 because not only are their age demographics pretty catastrophic anyway but when everyone under 25 is inevitably killed then the last 25 years of making fascism the state ideology of Ukraine goes with it too

>>2418108
If NATO doesn’t hire this guy, they are truly retarded

>>2418108
Now that he is unemployed, can we get him to do an AMA on /leftypol/ :3

>"They won't catch us." An Odessa resident on a moped took off after a car with TCC employees stopped next to him.
KEK, brah saved his ass.

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>>2418115
kek, DM the X lpol account owner and ask him to harass him.
but I bet he won't do it for free.

>>2418118
Just report my post with “Make it happen”, that way the jannies have to look at it

>>2418085
>I guess I was naively holding out hope for that just being Russian propaganda
Same but the evidence just keeps piling whether the helps Cucktin or not.

>>2418128
It could only make a difference if anyone in NATO nations actually cared, but almost no one does, the few who do are the ones spending all their time arguing online with non-garden ziggers that taking issue with Ukraine’s fascism is victim blaming and that throwing out Nazi salutes is “understandable” when you’re neighbouring Russia.

>>2418029
>>2418022
Samefag, weren't nafoids banned once here?

This is an interimperialist conflict. I was wrong. ICP is right.

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Eduard Limonov got a movie and even a scene where he has sex with a black guy, why didn't anyone mention???

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>>2418055
>How real is the nazi problem in Ukraine? Is my experience indicative of a larger issue or was it just coincidence that cucktin was right?

>>2418141
Why do I trigger people (benefit of the doubt that it’s not just a very tragic individual) to the point that they want to sock puppet obviously fake posts?

>>2418145
Obviously you own the champagne socialist flag and nobody else is allowed to use it

>>2418146
The post says “I was wrong” well who else are they referring to?

>>2418147
Themselves, unless you think you own the flag

>>2418149
I do, ask the mods, I called dibs

This is an interimperialist war, simple as. If you say otherwise you arent a marxist

>>2418150
Then do something about it lol

>>2418151
You think the Soviet Union fighting Nazi Germany was an inter-imperialist war

>>2418151
>NATO wants to absorb even more soldiers and move its nukes closer to Russia, Russia doesn’t want that, it’s the same motivation guys

>>2418154
I called you a tragic individual, I think that’s already too much attention to this petty breach of my rights to the ChampSoc flag

>>2418155
Or else the US, Britain and the allies are anti-imperialist

>>2418155
It was.

>>2418144
>Azov is not right-wing
I shouldn’t even bother reporting Gay Nazi for blatant Nazi apologia at this point. Mods never go against their previous /isg/ power posters

>>2418160
Anti imperialism is the worst product of imperialism

>>2418160
>>2418161
Right so you think the Soviet Union fighting Nazi Germany was an inter-imperialist war

>>2418165
The three biggest anti-imperialists: Churchill, Stalin and Roosevelt.

>>2418165
You WILL betray le working class

>>2418167
So you think the Soviet Union fighting Nazi Germany was an inter-imperialist war

I was never a communist nor socialist. Stop fellating me and build something better, or something

>>2418171
The Soviet Union was on the side of whom again?

>>2418171
I think so too

>>2418174
Of themselves until victory was assured, then the """"allies"""" started to try get cozy.

>>2418177
Of the US and UK yes, themselves as in the bourgeois nations which only sought self-preservation and expansion.

>>2418136
nafoids always come in, and come back, tbh.

WW2 was a progressive war where forces of democracy triumphed over nazi dictatorship. May we never experience such a war. The sacrifice of soldiers will never be forgotten and we will forever remember those heroes.

>>2418174
So you think the Soviet Union fighting Nazi Germany was an inter-imperialist war?

>>2418185
Who allowed the west to expand in Europe?

Does shitting up the thread really alleviate the dooming, the few times a year pro-Ukrainian media fails to avoid it? Like just wait for tomorrow, because they’ll no doubt be some new game changing support package or new round of apocalyptic sanctions announced and you can get hyped for that.

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>>2418184
At least you don't hide supporting the bourgeois democracies.

>>2418176
Where did Marx discuss inter-imperialist war?

>>2418188
>who allowed the west to expand in the west
Really makes you think

>>2418184
The essence of antifascism consists of struggling against fascism while supporting democracy; in other words, of struggling not for the destruction of capitalism, but to force capitalism to renounce its "dictatorial form".
Democracy will transform itself into dictatorship as soon as is necessary, the political forms which capital gives itself do not depend on the action of the working class any more than they depend on the intentions of the bourgeoisie.

You should thank Stalin for giving a bad name to communism

I remember when ultras on /leftypol/ were actually intelligent and well-read, albeit annoying, Marxists and not contrarian zoomers whose education consisted of looking at memes on r/ultraleft

>>2418201
Almost like Stalin being a national socialist and not an internationalist has something to do with it.

>>2418210
>be national socialist who hates internationalism
>accidentally spread socialism to over half the world by the time you die
What a silly goose Stalin was lol

>>2418144
This feels like the biggest cope of all time. India is a third world country on the other side of the world with barely any connection to European history besides the brits, let alone to nazi Germany specifically. Ukrainian's are not like that at all. They know who hitler and the nazis were, their country was on the front lines of WW2, it's just a ridiculous comparison on the face of it

>>2418207
every leftist figure in power is demonized. if stalin didn't exist you would be hearing about the 30000 gorillion killed by bukharin or whatever

>>2418216
>Spreads national socialism
>Collapses immediately after the liberal façade is over

>>2418209
>muh intelligence
>muh well read
Communists who dogmatically follow Invariant communist party line are more communist than the most well read and intelligent opportunist

>>2418221
Then it would be based, because Bukharin didn't purge all of the old Bolsheviks.

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>>2418223
you admit all you do is tow a glowop party line lol

Do you guys notice how all three of these guys appear at the same time?

>>2418230
r/ultraleft dicksword

>>2418229
>The invariant line between Marx and Lenin glows, join my Maoist-Stalinist cult instead!

>>2418221
>>2418207
>muh great men theory of history
Read Plaidoyer pour Staline, chud

>>2418226
yes we all know two dozen people at the moscow trials represented the entirety of the old bolsheviks

>>2418222
>Liberal facade
>Yet millions are impoverished, left unemployed for the first time in decades, all national industries are privatized, excess mortality skyrockets into the millions and gpd drops to extents only ever seen in active warzones after the dissolution of the ussr
Really makes you think

Russian communist party supports this war

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>>2418234
they said someone who's never read marx or lenin would be "more communist" as long as they follow the glowop of r/ultraleft. (im not masoist or stalinist btw)

>>2418243
this image contains the entirety of your "communism" just moral grandstanding and puritanical obscurantism

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>>2418240
>the gig's over folks, but don't worry, you can still support lesser evil nations, they are still AES

>>2418251
Yeah the bad guys won the cold war, don't know if you heard?

>noooo you cant join forces to oppose fascism
Reminder than italian left communists allowed fascist to take over italy. Stalin is the greatest anti-fascist in history

>>2418250
Surely an anime pedo like you would rather Beria's communism

>>2418256
if it meant you getting raped in his dacha and buried in his backyard, YES

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>>2418255
>allowed fascists to take over Italy (by getting arrested opposing them)

>>2418243
So funny that leftcoms unironically see themselves like this lmao. Yeah dude, you're so above it all

>>2418257
If it meant that, then you will also be executed like your pedo idol Beria.

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Yermak speaks

>muh pedo Beria
Really? Next thing you say Stalin knew and was didler himself

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>>2418264
>If it meant that, then you will also be excepted like your pedo idol Beria.
>>2418265
freudian slip?

>>2418268
Kalinin's "ballerinas" supplier.

>>2418272
Freudian slip is when you post your loli porn larping as Beria who was shot.

>>2418243
>search this image
>it’s all r/ultraleft

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>>2418279
keep making things up to get mad at lol

This war is a manifestation of a conflict between advanced capitalist imperialist countries and less developed anti-imperialist countries on the periphery of the western hegemonic world order. National sovereigny is historically progressive

>>2418285
>Quotes his idol (a pedo fanfic writer)

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>>2418207
the dunce hat belongs to you.

>>2418290
You're really trying to moralfag the guy who calls himself "Mr rapefiend"? I don't think he cares dude

>>2418290
<actually reads revolutionary authors instead of posting memes moralizing anyone who doesn't follow their glowops every whim.

>>2418298
>CSAM is revolutionary duuddee, just look at 761 and O9A, they're the real revolutionaries

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>>2418301
you're still making things up to get mad at~

>>2418291
True but in a way he is correct. The absolute failure of Stalin to notice coming counterrevolution is what caused fall of the USSR and soil the name of communism. Mao was more succesfull in this regard. Today's china is his legacy. And china is redeeming the name of communism by showing an example of a country ruled by true communist party.

>>2418259
>arrested for a weak and unorganized uprising that ended in fascists easily sweeping them aside even when they had the momentum.
yawn, it's spain and france yet again, token ass resistance and revolution did more damage to communist than anything the USSR did.

>>2418305
uygha learned "communism" from NAMBLA

>>2418306
Stalin did retarded stuff obviously. I think the point is when you argue that the Soviet Union fighting Nazi Germany is inter-imperialist then you’ve completely lost the plot. They believe Lenin himself was an imperialist before he died lol

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>>2418276
when you think everyone is a pedophile wanting to get children then every problem is pedophilia

>>2418306
>The absolute failure of Stalin to notice coming counterrevolution is what caused fall of the USSR
he didn't live too much after WWII. barely 5 years.

The opportunity for workers to do a revolution has passed. You cannot turn the wheels of history back. The lumpens are the revolutionary class of this historic era. Even Mao recognised their revolutionary potential.

>>2418306
This feels a bit unfair to Stalin, he was always trying to prevent counter revolution, many lib historians claim it was his paranoia in this regard that caused him to do so many purges n shit.

Hard to say where he could have done better in this regard. Maybe it was something outside of his personal capacity to prevent.

My point is it's the circumstances that make the events traspire as they did and while both Stalin and Mao were hugely influential, there is factors at play beyond their personal competency in this area

>>2418320
More distractions from the files. Keep it up Shmuley.

>>2418306
A reform of the state apparatus was in order but by that time Stalin was actually too weak in the party to implement it, shame really.

>>2418325
At that logic its the anarchist movement, since its the movement of the declassed mostly being lumpens.

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>Estonia Honors Ukrainian Nazi Collaborators

>The Baltic Defence College (Tartu, Estonia) is currently hosting the “In Storms of Steel” exhibition, which glorifies the Waffen SS Division Galicia.


>Created by Azov’s 3rd Assault Brigade, the exhibition showcases not only photographs of UPA involved in the ethnic cleansing of Poles during WWII, but also members of the Waffen SS Division Galicia — men who swore allegiance to Hitler, served under Himmler, and defended the interests of Nazi Germany, including by helping suppress anti‑Nazi resistance movements in Slovakia and the former Yugoslavia.


>Even more disturbing, among the photos of Division reenactors is neo‑Nazi Aleksei Kozhemyakin, known as “Kolovrat” and “Barsik,” a platoon commander in the 3rd Assault Brigade.


>He is a Russian far‑right extremist, reportedly came to Ukraine in 2015 and joined Azov. According to the Sova Center, Kozhemyakin served several years in prison for attacking a man from Azerbaijan and was also suspected of desecrating the Jewish Cultural Center in Syktyvkar.


>And now, the photograph of neo‑Nazi Aleksei Kozhemyakin and Nazi collaborators graces the walls of the Baltic Defence College


damn, but some polelols politicians are happy about salive urine!
>>2417991

>>2418327
>Hard to say where he could have done better in this regard.
No its pretty easy to say, it's already been said.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/bordiga/works/1952/stalin.htm
https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/27901/did-amadeo-bordiga-tell-off-stalin-this-way

>>2418328
Pedophilia has transformed into Rape for radlibs or opression against whites for rightoids, keep it up, pedophiles will be happy.

>>2418338
The result of Cucktin's stagnation. Estonia may as well declare Hitler's birthday a national holiday before SVO is concluded.

>>2418339
>Bordiga
Opinion discarded

>>2418342
You forgot to turn the leftcom flag off lmao

>>2418339
>bordiga
so, he should hear a failed partocrat from a capitalist nation that never had a revolution and the biggest achievement is empty theorycrafting ?.
no thanks, once there is real tangible experience from guiding a consolidated revolution to guide the share of wisdom then he can talk.

>>2418342
maybe you can go to the frontline and A C C E L E R A T E things up a notch?

>>2418340
>Pedophilia is anti-racist because I say so

>>2418345
No I did not. Hurry up Cucktin.

People here focus too much on the national chauvinitic aspect of this war. As communist we should observe the actions of communist forces, namely, PRC, which is the only country in the world governed by a truly communist party. We must focus on China's relation to this war and actions it is taking regarding this conflict. People here focus too much on technical military aspect and forget the political side. Too much focus on geopolitics, that is bourgeoisie politics. Which is why you don't see China engaging in it much.

>>2418349
Who kicked him out of his own party again? None other than the clique of Stalin lead by Gramsci.

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NABU propaganda, doing propaganda things to justify their existence. hopefully it will amount to an actual jail sentence:
>A district judge in Ukraine was approached on the street by anti-corruption agents regarding a recently received bribe they had been tracking.
>The judge was hiding, according to the anti-corruption officers, some hundreds of dollars in 100USD bills in a bag of apples.

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>Footballer Ihor Omelchenko, 19, from Kryvbas, traveled with his team to Slovenia — and never came back to Ukraine.

>Business trips abroad by athletes, cultural figures, and scholars have become one of the most common ways to escape the male open‑air prison that Ukraine has turned into.

>>2418367
why didn't his organic centralism didn't survive a single blow.

>>2418352
>pedophilia is the air we breathe, as it was inside a child once.

>>2418377
It survived with the party (the real one, not the splitters)
https://www.marxists.org/archive/bordiga/works/1965/consider.htm

In the end it will be the Porky who will put a stop to this senseless bloodshed

>>2418367
It was a good call, I would've kicked him out too. Unfortunately it was probably too little too late, the damage was already done

>>2418389
Bordiga would've whooped your lib ass

>>2418392
He would have to get up out of his chair first

Girls, girls, can take your bordiga discussion to somewhere else?
no one cares about that fascist collaborator that amounted to nothing after the defeat of fascism, and who Lenin wrote a whole ass book about him, and his infantilism.

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>>2418392
>my daddy would beat you up
god, you're so pathetic 🤣🤣🤣🤣

>>2418399
>no one cares about that fascist collaborator that amounted to nothing after the defeat of fascism
Stalin yes?
> and who Lenin wrote a whole ass book about him
MLs try to read infantile disorder (a book about Pannekoek), challenge level: impossible.

>>2418382
yet the party never grew to any relevant size, guess they weren't organic enough.

>>2418399
If I remember correctly infantile disorder was more aimed at councilcoms like Pannekoek, Bordiga was not yet a notable figure at the time it was written. While it applies to leftcoms like Bordiga as well, it is not explicitly about him

>>2418408
The party will remain small
>It is a fundamental thesis of the Left, that our party must not abstain from resisting in such a situation; it must instead survive and hand down the flame, along the historical "thread of time". It will be a small party, not owing to our will or choice, but because of ineluctable necessity. While thinking of the structure of this party, even in the IIIrd International’s epoch of decadence, and in countless polemics, we rejected – with arguments that it is now unnecessary to recall – several accusations. We don"t want a secret sect or élite party, refusing any contact with the outside, owing to a purity mania. We reject any formula of workerist or labourist party excluding all non-proletarians; as it is a formula belonging to all historical opportunists. We don’ t want to reduce the party to an organisation of a cultural, intellectual and scholastic type, as from polemics more than half a century old; neither do we believe, as certain anarchists and blanquists do, that a party is imaginable which is involved in conspiratorial armed action and in hatching plots.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/bordiga/works/1965/consider.htm

>>2418405
Stalin led the country that defeated fascism actually anon, don't know if you know about that part of history

>>2418409
>While it applies to leftcoms like Bordiga as well, it is not explicitly about him
Does not, Bordiga stood with Lenin, Pannekoek rejected the party form.

>>2418405
>Stalin yes?
Can't be irrelevant when guiding a superpower, even if you are a retard, look a trump.
two times when you make even more nations than before into your cause.
>MLs try to read infantile disorder (a book about Pannekoek),
the hat still fits to any Left wing Kautskiites like bordiga or pannekoek.

>>2418414
Keep defeating fascism propping up bourgeois regimes, I'm sure you'll defeat it for real next time.

I repent. I am ready to left behind my sinfull ways and accept Jesus a my personal saviour

>>2418411
>We reject any formula of workerist or labourist party excluding all non-proletarians;
<We don"t want a secret sect or élite party, refusing any contact with the outside, owing to a purity mania
< owing to a purity mania
didn't want it but that's what they got, and even worse it's a recipee for irrelevance to the proletarian masses, thus Useless in class struggle, spiraling into Elitism disconected to the masses.
it was doomed from the start, bourdiga's method.

>>2418420
Stalin took the Kautsky-Lasalle line, Bordiga took the invariant line of Marx and Lenin, you are the social democrats.

Bordiga owned Stalin in letters to Stalin tbh

>>2418427
You will see who is disconnected when they mobilize.

>>2418416

>Bordiga stood with Lenin

but did Lenin stand with Bordiga is the question.
Lenin, like always, was a pragmatist first and foremost, he was against the purity fetishism and inflexibility of leftcoms like Bordiga. While councilcoms differ from the italian leftcoms in their rejection of the party form, this is not all the infantile disorder was about.

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>>2418437
Any day now…

>>2418437
>>2418430
We got ICP party worker here bois

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>>2418441
>Lenin was a pragmatist first and foremost, an opportunist like me!
No he was an organic centralist, your scripture's all wrong and your canon is false.

>>2418421
uhhh idk what you're getting at, but I personally think that the ussr defeating nazi germany and causing adolf hitler to shoot himself in a bunker to not only be historically progressive, but a good thing too

I guess you disagree on both fronts

Really makes you think

>>2418450
The history progressed to the current situation of US expansion since WWII, you're welcome.

>>2418448
Im not speaking in scripture you autistic retard, im speaking colloquially. Lenin was a pragmatist. This is something fairly uncontroversial about his personality

>>2418409
the appendix in that book he clearly states that Bordiga was sectarian:
>I have had too little opportunity to acquaint myself with “Left-wing” communism in Italy. Comrade Bordiga and his faction of Abstentionist Communists (Comunista astensionista) are certainly wrong in advocating non-participation in parliament.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1920/lwc/ch07.htm
and that's precise the whole reason of the book, the abstentionism in bourgeoisie parliamentarism, is an infantile attitude.
To refuse parliaments is to refuse the battlefield on which the workers must fight in all capitalist countries. t. Lenin. bordiga and their ilk turned valid critiques into dogmas because it's isolationism and utopian in nature.

>>2418458
In the footnotes, about participation in elections.
Lol, lmao even.

>>2418455
And you prefer the scenario where nazi germany succeeded in their genocide plan for eastern europe and the destruction of the ussr 50 years earlier? You think that would be a more conductive situation for the development of communism? Lmao you're actually retarded dude

>>2418468
>he thinks germany could win
Are you dumb?

>>2418463
so tell me, what's the central core idea of what Lenin describes as "Infantile disorder". I will wait :^)
>inb4, says absolutely nothing related to the book itself.

>>2418468
History will repeat since the goal was never to oppose the capitalist mode of production, but to "fight fascism", you reap what you sow now with Israel. Bordiga wanted to oppose fascism through class action rather than united fronts, but you would rather deny that he proposed such things at all, since you can only be a denier and a falsifier at best.

>>2418473
The rejection of the party form, you're welcome.

>>2418476
PPPFF keeeek
lmao even
least retarded ultra who never read the book he claims isn't an attack on bordiga.
LMAO
>he doesn't know why bordiga is called the armchair lord. not at all he connects the dots.

>>2418468
Do you think germany could win? You really do? You unironically believe that germany could win?

>>2418479
Bordiga never rejected the party form, he considered it necessary, you're incredibly retarded.

>heroism wins wars
>germany could have won

>>2418468
Gaza is happening tho

>>2418474
The interview all falsifiers and deniers fear.

>>2418482
the books isn't a critique about party form, dimwit
:^)
the book itself it's a critique in ultras not using the bourgeoisie system to infiltrate the system, like using the rights for assemblies, protest, electoralism, speech, all of which bordiga during his whole life was adamantly opposed of doing.
The book it's a critique on parties not using bourgeoisie tools:
<1
>Dogmatic Abstentionism
>“To refuse to work in the reactionary trade unions means leaving the insufficiently developed or backward masses of workers under the influence of the reactionary leaders… it means playing into the hands of these leaders.”
>— Chapter 6: Should Revolutionaries Work in Reactionary Trade Unions?
>“To refuse to participate in parliamentary elections and in parliament would be a mistake… [The revolutionaries] must not abstain from the struggle on the pretext that it is a dirty business.”
>— Chapter 7: Should We Participate in Bourgeois Parliaments?
<2. Sectarian Purism
>“To refuse to work in the bourgeois parliaments and reactionary trade unions means to give up the fight for influence over the masses who are still, for the most part, under the sway of the bourgeoisie.”
>— Chapter 7
>“One must be able to withstand all this, to agree to any sacrifice, and even – if need be – to resort to all sorts of stratagems, manoeuvres, and illegal methods, to evasion and subterfuge, in order to penetrate the trade unions, to remain in them, and to carry on Communist work in them at all costs.”
>— Chapter 6
<3. Tactical Myopia
>“It is far more difficult—and of far greater value—to be able to utilise the ‘machinery’ of bourgeois parliaments for revolutionary purposes.”

There's 0 mention of the words "PARTY FORM" in that book.
0. you dense retard reactoid.

you are pathetic excuse of human being, a pseud and someone who deserves a bullet in your skull.

>>2418437
Never will happen, mobilization needs support from the masses and direct connection of it's members through people's lives, an small, feeble party that the entire theory involves the empty promisse that through education and acceptance of a trully correct line the proletariat will rise up like bread won't have any capilarity, effectively being ascelerationists but with education instead of suffering, neither case has proven to bring any revolutionary desire in the proles.

>>2418507
>>“To refuse to work in the reactionary trade unions means leaving the insufficiently developed or backward masses of workers under the influence of the reactionary leaders… it means playing into the hands of these leaders.”
>>— Chapter 6: Should Revolutionaries Work in Reactionary Trade Unions?
>>“To refuse to participate in parliamentary elections and in parliament would be a mistake… [The revolutionaries] must not abstain from the struggle on the pretext that it is a dirty business.”
See the ICP on the trade union question.
https://www.international-communist-party.org/English/REPORTS/UnionQue/49MarxismTUQuestion.htm
>>— Chapter 7: Should We Participate in Bourgeois Parliaments?
>><2. Sectarian Purism
>>“To refuse to work in the bourgeois parliaments and reactionary trade unions means to give up the fight for influence over the masses who are still, for the most part, under the sway of the bourgeoisie.”
>>— Chapter 7
>>“One must be able to withstand all this, to agree to any sacrifice, and even – if need be – to resort to all sorts of stratagems, manoeuvres, and illegal methods, to evasion and subterfuge, in order to penetrate the trade unions, to remain in them, and to carry on Communist work in them at all costs.”
>>— Chapter 6
See the interview, the beginning segment >>2418499.
>There's 0 mention of the words "PARTY FORM" in that book.
There is 0 mention of me writing that "PARTY FORM" is a key word you retard. There are entire chapters dedicated for the Dutch-German who are explicit with their refusal of the party form, that is detrimental and cannot be overlooked.

>inb4 muuuh PARTY FORM WORDS BECAUSE WA-WA-WA (crying) WASN'T MENTIONED IT DOESN"T MEAN IT DIDN'T EXIST IN LENIN'S BOOK
>REEEE
lmao, idealists ultras will say that Lenin was a nazi because of some idealist interpretation of things never said.

>>2418448
>here is some theory not written nor made by lenin to justify ourselves
and Marx was a reformist as well if that's the case, you can twist anything into anything these days.

>>2418515
>waaaaaah le revolution might not happen in MY lifetime waaaahhh
>weeeeh waaaah i want revolution now

>>2418515
The ICP works with the CSAN which is the organization of workers on the basis of class. Uncompromised for the most part unlike the IWW. https://class-struggle-action.net/

>>2418518
> is a key word you retard
called it: >>2418520
lmaoooooo
neck yourself, you uttermost retarded ultra.

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>>2418306
>Mao was more succesfull in this regard. Today's china is his legacy. And china is redeeming the name of communism by showing an example of a country ruled by true communist party.

>>2418521
On the stance of reform or revolution, Bordiga, the ICP, the Italian school of Left Communism choose revolution where you bastards choose reformism and national socialism, secluding yourselves then witnessing the collapse that comes with a lack of economic planning and commodity production opening up the market economy once again, acting all surprised when the USSR did end up reforming but had already retreated into capitalism before idiots like Hoxha noticed and blamed it on Khrushchev, you're all the bastard children of the perestroika and yet continue to screech and search for "AES" even after all that, since you never held any principles on market economies in the first place.

>>2418526
Retarded deprogrammoid still can't read a book past the title, can't even distinguish between partisans and disorganized rebellion.

>>2418474
>History will repeat since the goal was never to oppose the capitalist mode of production, but to "fight fascism"
And fascists' "goal" at the time was to destroy communism and genocide eastern europe. Opposing the capitalist mode of production and fighting fascism are not mutually exclusive. Why would they be?


>Bordiga wanted to oppose fascism through class action rather than united fronts, but you would rather deny that he proposed such things at all, since you can only be a denier and a falsifier at best.

I just don't care what some dude who couldn't even prevent fascists in his own country from taking over has to say about opposing fascism. So far nothing any leftcom has ever posted has convinced me that looking more into Bordiga isn't a giant waste of time. It reeks of a kind of anarchist/trotskyist anti-communism, same shit basically. That is not to say Bordiga himself may or may not have had good ideas. There's just nothing really to show for it.

Your glibness about the gaza genocide didn't go unnoticed btw

>>2418532
now you are projecting, kiddo. remember stating more things never said in the book next time. thanks for playing, anyway. you prove yourself being someone who never read Lenin, using words Lenin never used.

>>2418472
>>2418480
>>2418486
Nazi germany destroying the ussr and genociding the rest of eastern europe were real possibilities dumbfucks. That doesn't mean germany would win ww2

>>2418541
>he thinks germany could have defeated ussr
Read a book

>>2418541
>he thinks entire axis could have defeated USSR

>>2418541
Well a lot of workers died in ww2 so it happened anyway in a way

>>2418523
>the revolution will happen when it happen
<so what about you know, open connection to struggles of the proletariat and campaings of education through any method
>that will happen when it happens chud.
not even presence, how will the masses achieve something other than labor sindicalism is unknown.

>>2418525
>The ICP works with the CSAN which is the organization of workers on the basis of class.
<they band with a miniscule union building movement
that's all they have ?, okay, the point of irrelevancy between the proles still stands.

>>2418544
>>2418551
I'm not saying it was likely guys jeez

>>2418553
Also this

Ultras getting uppity again.

>>2418537
It always comes down to the deprogram with these guys lmao

>>2418557
tell me about, making up words, not reading Lenin's book about them, and then projecting.
you'll never get them to read a book. they'll never recommend you to read a book in which it can be proven that Lenin ever said "party form" and so on, and so on.
they do so much lip service to their ruling class wasting time in here, and for free (?), it amuses me.

>>2418531
>On the stance of reform or revolution, Bordiga, the ICP, the Italian school of Left Communism choose revolution.
yet their method is empty mastubation that achieve nothing, they may think themselves as the trve communists, but communism with no capacity to act in minimum or maximum goals is not communism, is a book study group, they choose self revolution.
>where you bastards choose reformism and national socialism, secluding yourselves
reformism never wanted the taking of power, you clearly don't know what reformism means, and there is nothing national from the only group that spread the revolution beyond its borders.
> then witnessing the collapse that comes with a lack of economic planning and commodity production opening up the market economy once again
first of all, did you guys even read a history book, really, "lack of economic planing", GOSPLAN don't ring a bell ?, the USSR was the only one to ever do it, also commodity production has become a complete strawman for being the only point not removed by actual socialism, as private expropriation of collective created value and private property was extinguished, can you tell me any capitalist nation that removed imbued features of it's systems ?, no, it never happens, and even the point of "opening markets" is unconnected from material realities of any socialist nation, USSR did it because it was a Sucessful coup backed by the USSR fermented for decades of historical happenings boiling into that point, which by your screams about Khruschev you deny because aparently the historical-material is irrelevant to the conditions of the nation, China and Vietnam are complete oportunism for their own goals, and they aren't wrong, Lesser productive system lose to more productive ones, china will overtake everyone, it's a fact, now it's a question for the chinese to take.
> acting all surprised when the USSR did end up reforming but had already retreated into capitalism before idiots like Hoxha noticed and blamed it on Khrushchev,
idiotic simplification for a idiotic take, the USSR only reformed and retreated into capitalism with gorbachev, as the bourgeois, the state aparatus for their control(Dictatorship of the Bourgeois), private property of the means of production unconstrained from state repression and private apropriation of collective wealth only came to be with him, it wasn't Khruschev, Stalin or anyone else, there may be influences from them used to this desolution as show with gorbachev and Yakovlev using Stalin to hit Lenin, and openly repeting on their memoir to of Khruschev's speech as a redpill against socialism, blaming everything Khruschev may be stupid, denying he didn't had a effect is also stupid but so is a empty blame done by ""revolutionary"" leftcommunists that somehow are so advanced and leftist over the other that it was over since the start and not trve socialism-communism, an that the bourgeois fears of socialism was misplaced because they actually were capitalist like them, just chill and nothing will happen.
>you're all the bastard children of the perestroika
actually non Marxist-Leninists are the bastards of perestroika, claiming this "state Capitalism"/degenerate socialism/Red fascism was over and trve revolutionary ideals and movements would rise, thirty years have passed and not even the markings of a movement with the desire for a revolution of any spectrum has become popular between the proles in any relevant level, ironically enough the USSR is still in the mind of the proles for good or for ill, no one imagines anything else, because even in death it influences revolution.
now go on to do your little speech about true and politically correct revolutions that won't happen over those that did.

>>2418561
maybe cause succdems are indistinguishable from MLs

>>2418602
Maybe you should repeat the mantra 5 more times. Ever heard of hari krishna?

>>2418598
>is a book study group, they choose self revolution.
Its not the time to act, it is the time to study and organize.
>and there is nothing national from the only group that spread the revolution beyond its borders.
Spread what? Self-governing "communist parties" which secluded to their own self-management? When the USSR was fathomed to be "the home of the workers" rejecting any notion of joint leadership between the "communist parties" just shows how stuck up in nationalism all of them were.
>GOSPLAN don't ring a bell ?
Doesn't economic problems in the USSR ring a bell? And you end up defending market economies either way, what a pseud.
You really are the toddlers of perestroika.

>>2418606
Gravedigger, gravedigger, gravedigger, gravedigger, gravedigger.

>>2418609
Saying it more makes it more true dude, for sure

Judging by how insanely off topic this thread has become Russia's cOpeffensives must be failing again. Sumy status?

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>>2418638
Usually the ziggas say that the more off-topic the thread gets the more Russia is winning and CIA trying to distract from it, you're right though, Russia sucks dick whenever the general derails because there's no wins to talk about.

>>2418638
>>2418645
Very bizarre samefag

>Judging by how insanely off topic this thread has become Russia's cOpeffensives must be failing again. Sumy status?
all started because someone got treggered by Prozorov's posts from UKR Eng leaks.
Anything from the Russianspehere attracts a bunch of reactoid bugs who can't neither disprove the information, and can't behave without strawmaning the information presented.

>>2418162
>>2418218
It's a joke ya goofs. I was watching some travel YouTuber awhile ago visiting Ukraine and the first man on the street he talked to had swastikas tattooed on his knuckles and a Walknut on his arm and a t-shirt with the words "I've Come for Blood." Think the analogy here is like Croatia and Serbia in the 90s except bigger.

So is Russia on a losing streak yet again or what?

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>>2418667
Very bizarre cuck

>>2418690
lol sorry for taking it so serious gay nazi anon

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meanwhile on the interwebs…

>>2418696
Kursk status?
2014 ATO status?
Leg status?

>>2418716
>Implying Russia not Eurasia
LANGLEY


>>2418717
>>2418722
I am asking genuinely you defensive retards.

>250 posts
something happen or nafos whining?

why are leftcoms so mad ITT when bordiga would've supported putin?

>>2418638
lol this thread usually goes to shit whenever ukraine get fucked and ultras and nafotards come out of cry about it by pretending the nato nazi proxy isnt loosing and showing they dont understand shit about imperialism

>>2418365
agree. i dont even really support or care about russia or krpf except insofar as it effects china

>>2418365
>PRC, which is the only country in the world governed by a truly communist party
Idiot.

>>2418602
e-celebs rent free in your head

>>2418744
We're only mad that Ukraine still exists

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do you think are these leftcoms russians?

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>>2418638
>Russia's cOpeffensives must be failing again.

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>>2418819
nationalist

>>2418819
If Bordiga was alive today he would support SVO, the PRC and marijuana.
If Stalin was alive today he would support Israel, the United States, the West, the CIA, Epstein and Ukraine.

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>>2418828
Cucktin needs to give a few more invitations and trade deals with Pissrael to demonstrate that Russians are also loyal servants of the Zionist settler state. They love Zionism.

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>>2418844
This is what a world without Prigozhin looks like
stagnant lines, cucks, Cucktin, Israel

pooptin

>>2418851
Cucktinism with zionist characteristikkks

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We are living in a PP (pee pee) world, that is a Post-Prigozhin world, he could've saved SVO

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>>2418862
>he could've saved SVO
for Ukraine
…but he failed. cope seethe

>>2418930
Yes he could've saved SVO for Ukraine by making it Novorossiya, Cope and Seethe Cucktin Cuckie Cuckster

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>>2418930
Its been 11 years faggot

>>2418936
>come out saying ukraine dindu nuffin, implying the smo pointless
>launch a coup right when ukraine launches counteroffensyiv, attempting to create internal crisis at exactly the worst time
you guys are simping a traitor who took the nafo bux.
he was a greedy stupid faggot. he sucked. now he's dead.

BREAKTHROUGH IMMINENT

>>2418944
sauce?

>>2418942
>come out saying ukraine dindu nuffin
Doubt.


>>2418947

Jun 23, 2023:

>The Wagner head, Yevgeny Prigozhin, has accused Moscow’s leadership of lying to the public about the justifications for invading Ukraine, in the latest sign of conflict between Vladimir Putin’s government and one of his most important allies.


>In an explosive 30-minute video posted on his Telegram channel, Prigozhin dismissed Moscow’s claims that Kyiv was planning to launch an offensive on the Russian-controlled territories in eastern Ukraine in February 2022.


>“There was nothing extraordinary happening on the eve of February 24,” Prigozhin said.


>“The ministry of defence is trying to deceive the public and the president and spin the story that there was insane levels of aggression from the Ukrainian side and that they were going to attack us together with the whole Nato block,” the Wagner head said.


>Shortly after Russia attacked Ukraine, Putin claimed Moscow’s invasion had thwarted Ukraine’s own plans for “a massive attack on the Donbas, and then on the Crimea”.


>Prigozhin also said Russia’s leadership could have avoided the war by negotiating with Ukraine’s president, Volodomyr Zelenskiy.


>“When Zelenskiy became president, he was ready for agreements. All that needed to be done was to get off Mount Olympus and negotiate with him,” he said.



…IOW..c'mon guys ukraine dindu nuffin. we should just stop, fight amongst ourselves and let them win. (then launches a coup just after ukraine launches its big 2023 offiensive, for maximum possible damage to russia, and maximum help to ukraine.

Fuck prigozhin. he's feeding worms where he belongs

>>2418952
Yea never said "ukraine dindu nuffin", try harder next time Langley.

>>2418952
>(then launches a coup just after ukraine launches its big 2023 offiensive,
Shoigu, Putin and all ministry cucks undersupplied the front causing avoidable losses. Prigozhin did nothing wrong.

>>2418958
This is evident because guess what, the faggot Shoigu isn't in charge anymore.

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>>2418956
>>2418958
>still shilling a dead traitor and spreading his stupid fud two years later
forgot your flag uhgbros

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>>2418982
No that's your flag but you forgot the rainbow, the trans flag, the CIA emblem, the US flag.

My flag is picrel.

>>2418958
I will never understand the retards sucking the dick of a pmc oligarch social media whore
any rational army would have shot him even earlier

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>>2418989
I support Russian capital and companies.


>>2418223
>>2418209
ehhh.. some of the leftcoms even as late as 2017 were getting pretty retarded, some were arguing marx didn't want labor vouchers because the only theory they read were memes about Dauve

Is it true that Russia is making more gains this summer than they even had during the beginning of the war? How cooked is Ukraine?

>>2418989
Well the "rational army" was struggling to get their shit together from decades of liberal policy and the burden of continuing to drag that ball and chain to war. Among those the PMC(in class and occupation) oligarch is king.

He knew well the sort of evil he represented as an enforcer of imperialism abroad and domestic face of corruption, so Prigo knew how to appeal to the people from experience.

>>2419148
Collapse will accelerate towards next year, but it's not to the point there are huge arrows

>>2419349
Not sure big arrows will ever be a part of this conflict, as long as Ukraine has some precision weapons, continues to bait Russia exclusively into urban warfare and can use NATO’s big eye in the sky, large movements will always be unreasonably risky and kind of unnecessary anyway if Ukraine keeps bussing all of its recruits to contested cities/towns/villages and Russia’s military goals are indeed only Donbass, Lugansk and the other regions that voted to join Russia.

That there needs to be a big arrow that reaches out of Eastern Ukraine for Russia to achieve its goals is a cope Ukraine puts out there because it knows that really its military goal is to avoid those regions from being annexed and its failing at that goal.

>>2419362
Except Russia is mostly encircling the cities without entering them. Pokrosvk is an exception because Ukraine doesn't have enough men there.

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please tell me this is real

>>2419363
Well yes because urban warfare massively favours the defenders, it’s usually where losing armies stage their last stand for a lost front, but similar to going full volkssturm from day one, Ukraine chooses to solely fight in urban areas. Cauldrons are the tactic Russia uses to not take the bait, it seems that Ukraine usually occupies all the buildings in the outskirts facing the front and fills them with RPGs, anti-tank missiles and drone teams, so the few times Russia tried to drive single file into the settlement have ended badly.

>>2419371
obviously not,they didn't even retaliate with a bit of tarrifs,they just praised the USA and said our "cooperation" (lol) has weathered worse

Bloomberg is reporting that the Kremlin is considering giving Drumpf a full air truce as a "gift" (gesture of goodwill?).

That doesn't sound like the Kremlin I know! ;-)

In fairness, Bloomberg has made a ton of comical miscalls in recent years.

>>2419403
Even if true, Ukraine always breaks these ceasefires immediately and drones a market or a civilian train or something, it’s really irrelevant whether Russia agrees to such ceasefires or not because both will claim the other side broke the ceasefire first, but the hopium Bloomberg are presenting here depends on believing the Russians are trustworthy with announcing ceasefires but why would they if they genuinely believe Ukraine when they claim Russia breaks ceasefires first?

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>>2419372
russian army drove straight into the middle of pokrovsk though

>>2419414
Perhaps the dynamic of the war is changing if they can’t source either enough weaponry to fortify the outskirts or enough men to man those fortifications

>>2419410
>Ukraine always breaks these ceasefires immediately
…and then the Kremlin insists on sticking by the ceasefire anyway, as happened with the 30-day energy ceasefire when Ukraine violated it immediately.

>>2418944

It's happening! Big arrows are back in the menu! Russia advanced 85km today! Front collapsing everywhere! It's over for Ukraine!

And then ziggers woke up

>>2419434
There's a Westoid news report saying that the Russian General Staff expect a Ukro front collapse in two-three months. I'm not aware of any corroboration from Russian media, but the second half of 2025 was my guess about when there'd be a collapse allowing big arrows. The squatsons, geromants, and their Xitter ilk were a little premature calling big arrows in Aug 2024.

>>2419436
Can't wait for January 1st, 2026, when you will be in this thread claiming that Ukraine is still on the verge of imminent collapse lol. Even Zaluzhny thinks the war will go on until the 2030s.

>>2419437
I can't wait for 2040 when Ukraine is Russia and you console yourself about how long it took.

>>2419438
knowing Cucktin it will probably be 2050 until he takes the 4 oblasts and by that point I will stop caring since China will have transitioned to full communism and raped the capitalists to death and overthrown Cucktin to be replaced by the KPRF.

>>2419439
Oh, I thought you were a /k/oper, not a doomer. My bad.

RUSSIA IS WINNING TOO SLOWLY

A completely unnecessary air truce would be a self-destructive display of weakness / inferiority complex toward the US. There's no reason to throw away one of Russia's chief advantages and make the battlefield situation more difficult by letting the arms flow in from the warehouses. There's no benefit in "showing that Ukraine is agreement-incapable," as if anyone sane remains to be convinced. Russia owes con artist Donny nothing. I refuse to believe that even the Russian boomers are that fucking dumb.

>>2419439
I'm looking forward to the clusterfuck of propaganda both sides will deploy to claim not just victory, but victory for the workers. They are gonna sign a ceasefire and the very next moment, both sides will start throwing left coded BS mingled with butchered USSR lore at each other, claiming the other is actually "the Nazi Germany" of this conflict.

>>2419437
Something that has become apparent over these last three years is that most people don’t know what the word “collapse” means in this context
>I want to restore 1991 borders!
>But I don’t have the men, the money, the morale or the weapons to achieve that
>I’m also loosing territory
That’s a collapse, because they’ve lost the ability to achieve their goals and are now just doing the natural thing of being as stubborn as possible at the expense of all else to try to encourage the enemy to opt for a conditional surrender with better terms over unconditional surrender.

It’s sort of like suggesting that Japan hadn’t militarily collapsed in 1945, because not only hadn’t America yet invaded the Japanese mainland, they also produced a ton of purple heart medals anticipating a very difficult invasion.

Stinky status?

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>inb4 collapse should mean they’re not able to stubborn
Anyone with a gun and a bit of pre-planning for likely ambush spots is a danger for invaders, it’s just that five Japanese schoolgirls might kill or wound an American soldier between them in a single ambush, but they will be killed instantly afterwards. That will add up, given an ambush spot can be found in every twist and turn on the road from the beaches of Kyushu to Tokyo, to be quite costly for the Americans but at that point you just have to ignore the cost to yourself.

Since Trump dances to the tune of Bibi, couldn't Putin just tell Bibi that if Trump continues funding/arming Ukraine, then Russia will give Iran nukes?
I know, many people have suggested it, and it reeks of simplistic schoolyard politics, but why exactly wouldn't it work?

kek, Zelensky is currently making a big show about having approved some operations, which means something could be about to happen that the US really, really wants Ukraine bearing the blame for.
Same old scam.

As far as the US economy and US consumers go, there's no real difference between the primary anti-Chinese tariffs that Trump chickened out of and the secondary anti-Chinese tariffs he's threatening over Russian oil purchases, right?

>>2417983
>sovereign

>A Russian far-right group staged a protest at a memorial event for the victims of Stalin’s purges in Sandarmokh, in the Republic of Karelia, Russia, on Tuesday. The incident was reported by the online newspaper Barents Observer.

>According to Barents Observer, the group involved was a Russian far-right organization called the Russian Community, or Russkaja Obshtshina in Russian. During the event, members of the group, who had covered their faces, reportedly called the foreign diplomats present "fascists" and sang patriotic songs, among other actions.


https://www.thebarentsobserver.com/news/militant-extremists-staged-provocation-on-remembrance-day-for-victims-of-the-great-terror-in-sandarmokh/434456

<The Russian Community (Russian: Русская община, romanized: Russkaya obshchina; RO) is a Russian far-right nationalist political organization founded in late 2020.[1][2] It has been described as anti-Islamic, anti-immigrant, anti-Caucasian, and pro-government.[3][4]

>>2418199
You are alone and afraid.

>>2419449 (me)
>>2419464 (me)
wtf, this general is wayyyy too slow for my ADHD. Whenever I try to get discussions going, nada.
Save /ukr/, sign the petition for a Russian Blitzkrieg today.

>>2418405
t. NAF0

>>2418996
Controversial

>>2418996
Of course you do.

>>2417983
>sovereign
>>2417985
Poor Ukraine. Don't bomb Donbass for global capital to save a failed state

> In an interview with Ukrainian journalist Ramina Eshakzai published on Tuesday, he was asked if Kiev uses prostitutes to gather information – a practice which the reporter said is common in British intelligence.
>”A normal method, isn’t it? Do you know how often men share stories to show how powerful they are, as they say?” Budanov said
<According to Budanov, “a very high percentage” of personnel serving in the HUR are now women.
https://swentr.site/russia/622540-ukraine-spy-employing-prostitutes/

Grim. I like the legitimisation that their best ally Britain commonly does it, but less humoured by the possibility that the HUR’s recruitment process may not be all that different to the military’s.

>>2419526
> but less humoured by the possibility that the HUR’s recruitment process may not be all that different to the military’s.
If it's any consolaiton it's a lot easier and resource light to simply press/pay those already in prostitution to work/give information. These are extremely messy people on the bottom rung of society and ukraine is not exactly short of a whole international prostitution industry pre-war.

>>2419526
seems like standard procedure for any intelligence agency

>>2419529
>>2419532
For sure but presumably these powerful people are soliciting high class escorts rather than desperate no choicers and are there enough of those to make up a “high percentage” of the HUR?

It’s more the “high percentage” part that concerns me more than the idea that prostitutes generally can be informants.

And in that circumstance I don’t think Mi5 consider “Renee the docker’s delight” to be a member of their organisation

>>2419436
I hear that every other month for 3 years already

This is an interimperialist conflict

>>2419526
Don't worry Russia does it too. The practice dates back to Medieval Europe. Contrary to popular belief prostitutes were allowed not because the Catholic Church was corrupt (they were) but because nations like France and England needed spy networks and prostitutes are all spies. Tsarist Russia has prostitute spy networks as well. Dostoevsky talks about them briefly although he was too retarded to realize they were spies.

>>2419578
(cont. since I cut off by accident)
This is why Lenin took such a harsh line against prostitution btw.

>>2419582
Yah I think the bragging about it is the funny thing. It’s like when the head choppers had that success against the AES (Sahel alliance not already existing socialism lol) forces and the Ukronazis immediately started bragging about how NATO helped defeat the Russians in Africa. Like bro you are supposed to keep quiet on some things

>>2419578
Similar to other posts, I get the idea that prostitution is a source of informants, but Budanov isn’t calling them informants or prostitutes (tbh that’s probably more of an insult by RT than an accurate description) but instead serving members of the HUR as spies with cover not as sex workers
>Ukrainian spies commonly use “entrepreneurial activity, journalism, and sociology” as cover jobs while on assignment, while some work under “full cover,” living double lives in Russia, he said.
So again, nothing new there, female spies using sex to gain the trust and affection of those with information. But claiming that females are a “high percentage” of the HUR now and generally boasting about the prevalence and success of something I think most intelligence agencies barely admit to, seems strange.

Almost as though the interview itself is part of a recruitment drive
>It gets real results!
>Lots of women are already doing it!
>The Brits do this all the time!
Thus, I have my suspicions that this is not about Ukraine passively exploiting an already existing network of sex workers who may or may not get picked up by a guy with information and a willingness to divulge it with street walkers, but actively weaponising the puss is something is a key part of Budanov’s work.

>Larp as a Journalist, Entrepreneur or just generally a member of the Russian upper class!
Is another selling point it seems

>>2419593
>It’s like when the head choppers had that success against the AES … and the Ukronazis immediately started bragging about how NATO helped defeat the Russians in Africa.
Eh, those were Tuaregs in northern Mali who listen to guitar rock. They're not JNIM.


>>2418057
isn't this literally just Zionist logic repurposed for your pet issue with Donbass where 10k civilians were killed by artillery fired from all sides from 2014-22 therefore all of Ukraine must burn. same logic as Ziorats losing 800 civilians on Oct 7 (many of whom burned by IDF helicopters) justifying the killing of 200k+ Palestinians. Ziorats and ziggers cannot into math and proportions.

>>2418045
Who do you think I am you pill avoider?

>>2419608
The original point being made was >>2417985 as though they weren’t really Nazis (despite all the Nazi larping on presumes) because… Ukraine wasn’t powerful enough to be Nazis? And the post that was replying to >>2417983 completely ignores that the conflict got to its flashpoint partially because Ukraine was breaking every human rights law the EU has against Russian speakers but still receiving full support from the EU and NATO nevertheless.

I think it has been established for a while now that being smol bean nation doesn’t intrinsically make you a victim when your attempts at oppression and genocide towards people you’ve disowned but want the land they live on.

Au contraire, trying and failing at that to then play the smol bean victim card because you’ve been thwarted by larger powers is exactly what Israel currently does.

but want the land they live on fails*

>>2419623
>I think it has been established for a while now that being smol bean nation doesn’t intrinsically make you a victim when your attempts at oppression and genocide towards people you’ve disowned but want the land they live on.
But the Russian government and its supporters constantly talk about how THEY'RE the poor widdle victims while invading their neighbor and annexing territory. Of course they have also (cleverly) borrowed from the "responsibility to protect" and "humanitarian intervention" language that the U.S. has deployed when it has attacked other countries. The basic problem as always, though, is that doing that (and doing it successfully) is a lot more difficult than it sounds when political leaders make the decision to go to war. And when it doesn't go according to their idealistic plans, but they carve out some exit strategy that they can sell to their own population, there are long-term negative social consequences for their own countries. China by contrast has developed its economy to be a rival to the United States and didn't go about fighting many wars during that time.

>>2419608
If proportion is all you care about then by all accounts Ukraine is killing 14 Russians for every Ukrainian death so Russia should keep fighting the war until those numbers reverse so they can reach equilibrium.

>>2419637
>erm the US also claimed they were humanitarians when they bombed Iraqi civilians for oil
And that’s the problem for you Gay Nazi and indeed everyone who wants to project the US’s global shenanigans on to countries that are not the US, they’re not the US.

>>2419602
Tinariwen is a good band

>>2419647
>they’re not the US.
You would've fooled me, but that doesn't change the fact that occupying a hostile country is historically a losing game, no matter who you are.

>>2419623
>Ukraine was breaking every human rights law the EU has against Russian speakers
reminder that the "indigenous laws" of 2019 doesn't mention not one single time the Russian language, culture, and ethnic group.

>>2419659
I imagine a lot could fool you if you thought
>The US were complete liars though in their multiple foreign conflicts!
that span the entire globe was in any way a worthwhile point to make about a regional conflict on Russia’s border

Find a woman that fights for you the same way this woman fights for her man.

>>2419667
https://www.reuters.com/article/world/ukraine-passes-language-law-irritating-president-elect-and-russia-idUSKCN1S110Y/

I think the last quote summarises the intent though
>"This is a historic moment, which Ukrainians have been awaiting for centuries, because for centuries Ukrainians have tried to achieve the right to their own language," one of the authors of the bill, Mykola Knyazhytsky, said before the vote.
As though they didn’t have the right to their own language because Eastern Ukrainians predominantly spoke Russian?

Face it, this isn’t a policy that would be tolerated anywhere else for the kind of shitlib that is claiming this doesn’t represent state-ordained hostility towards Russian speakers in Ukraine.

>>2419683
Russians think Ukrainians speaking Ukrainian is a threat to their existence so i'm not surprised Ukrop nationalists do this kind of thing. Ziorats also think Palestinian doesn't exist as a coherent nation or identity and the mere existence of that is also seen as an existential threat to Israel just as Ukrainians merely existing is a threat to the mental health of Russians like you. if you don't want other people to exist you could just kill yourself and never worry about it ever again.

>>2419680
I've seen a lot of this kind of content about Ukrainian recruiters, but I've never seen the equivalent for Russians. Surely they have to recruit people as well and it's an issue for them too, so why don't we see that? Is it because there's just less footage coming out of russia at the moment? Or do they just have less of a recruitment problem cuz they're a bigger country or smt?

>>2419689
Guessing they have less of a recruitment problem.

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>>2419668
>that span the entire globe was in any way a worthwhile point to make about a regional conflict on Russia’s border
It's a difference of relative power / reach but the political factor (which is decisive) is not fundamentally different because it's happening on Russia's border. The U.S. would have similar problems invading Mexico. The problems also existed for the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.

>>2419687
Bit rich to compare Russians to Israelis anon.While they obviously have racist or denagrading views of ukrainians, it's no where near the paranoia, fear and rejection stemming from a deeply racist worldview/national ideology that zionists do of Palestinians. The Russian view of ukrainians is based in a completely different set of material circumstances than the Israelis view of palestinians. You just equivocate them because you think they're both le bad

>>2419687
Please, don’t divert, you have to confront the fact that one of the people who drafted the law presents the situation as though Ukrainians didn’t have the right to their own language until native Russian speakers were forced to conduct their business both at work and with their government in a language that was not the widely spoken language in the region they lived.

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>>2419687
>Russians think Ukrainians speaking Ukrainian is a threat to their existence
no, they don't. at best Russians describe as a foreign language on itself. they don't ban it on Russia, they don't have discriminatory languages, the Russian politicians don't care about the language, unlike the nazi ukrainians in Lvov that will harass you if you speak Russian, and every fucking Ukrainian I've seen pretending to use Ukrainian for the sakes of saving their "cultural heritage" abandons the language in the moment they lose the composure.

>>2419695
>it’s a difference of relative power
But you’ve already dismissed the Russian claim that this conflict was caused more broadly by NATO expansion who are indeed considerably more populous and geopolitically powerful than Russia are by a very large margin. Which of course you would, because that’s how you frame it as though Russia is ackshually just the US and trying to curb stomp a third world country for its resources that it otherwise has no geographical, political or demographic relation to.

The real difference between Russia and Ukraine and Israel is that both Ukraine and Israel aren’t technically invading anyone by shelling the shit out of a minority they want off “their” land, both are able to exploit that fact with liberals of different stripes by claiming these are just internal problems that are for Tel Aviv and Kiev alone to devise a final solution for, whereas Russia invading Eastern Ukraine is actually illegal and actually the jurisdiction of the UN and whatnot

>>2419148
>Is it true that Russia is making more gains this summer than they even had during the beginning of the war?
Yup. At this rate all the "summer counter-offensive" of ukranians 2023 is going to be lost.
>How cooked is Ukraine?
Medium rare cooked.

>>2419721
>Medium rare cooked.
Cooked but still bleeding, not bad

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>Damned Russians committing human right violations for… *check notes*… (talks to the script writer: really, building homes?)
<BUDILING HOMES, BUILDING INFRAESTRUCTURE, THE HORROR!

Fam, I'm becoming more and more suspicious (schizophrenically paranoid?) that Zelensky/SBU is about to try making a move against Russia's leadership on behalf of America. It's just the way my brain works when presented with Zelensky suddenly making noise about regime change again and making noise about approving SBU ops… and how rattled Trump became when Medvedev was taunting about Russia's dead-hand system. There's no tight logical chain connecting these facts to my conclusion. I believe Trump is crazy enough to go for it.

>>2419732
BASED SO BASED I'm going to visit the Crimean resort and then the Gaza Riviera for good measure

>>2419732
Its criminal that they're still wasting time in Ukraine instead of pushing for France. Cucktin is a deserter.

>>2419740
They’re making noise because Russia has just abandoned a treaty on nuclear weapon deployment and development “1987 Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty” that Trump already abandoned in 2019, along with Russia deploying nuclear weapons in Belarus and I believe mentioned the possibility of deployments of Oreshniks to allies like Venezuela which are all very aggressive moves, but NATO’s stance towards Russia has been so aggressive for the last two decades that they’ve already played their cards that could have been considered retaliatory if played now.

Threats of planning something “big” against Russian leadership is the only retaliatory move they can make, all actual practical hostile actions have long since been exhausted.

>>2419667
>reminder that the "indigenous laws" of 2019 doesn't mention not one single time the Russian language, culture, and ethnic group
Yea exactly, they were excluded from protections. That's why zelensky campaigned on opposing the new language law signed that year. Both were signed by the neonazi andriy parubiy

>>2419718
Good post anon, succinctly put

>>2419687
>Russians think Ukrainians speaking Ukrainian is a threat to their existence
Lol
I love this Israel cope

Israel sees itself as a bulwark of western civilization threatened historically by Muslims, with Jews representing pre-Islamic, Biblical era restoration. It is destined towards a transition from occupation after a failed two state solution to a one state solution. To this end it favors destroying postcolonial Arab states. Pretty cut and dry issue, an out of colonial state in a postcolonial world that holds the middle east back

Russia sees Ukraine as a brother nation struggling with a historic east-west divide as a borderland, with the issue aggravated to an impasse by European expansion

Israel-Palestine is a postcolonial issue. Ukraine is an echo of Europe's spread of the nation-state dividing the lands by ethnicity, causing endless crises. What's unique about this time around is its not nations rising from old empires and fighting each other, but great power nations coming together in the wake of that fighting and exporting their model to a post-communist periphery. This means we aren't just dismantling what we call a command economy, but also a socialist nationalities policy. All in order to expand global capital and later recover from a paradoxical crisis of liberalism that expansion concluded with

>>2419732
It's good that Cucktin provides free dental surgery for Donbass residents since they only get water once every 3 days so it's inevitable all their teeth will die.

>>2419809
Ukraine tries its best to govern the people it hates

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The butcher Putler works beside himself in keeping the Trotskist Galactic Council on the backfoot.

>>2418001
>Ukrainian company called NAFOGAS


>>2418084
weak men theory

>>2419809
you are conflating Crimea with Donetsk, and Crimea does have running water now.
obviously, the retarded "cucktin" crowd show no knowledge, no intentions to know, no real reasons to know, they don't want to engage seriously, never will engage in a serious manner, and of course, they are just nafo in disguise. Coordinates of the dam blown up in Feb. 26 2022.
46.206843, 33.454522

>>2419791
Here we have another example of the ziggeroid using Oct 7th-style justifications for their chosen state's actions. The enemy was going to do something bad so we are permitted to do everything. Muh oppressive language laws means that hundreds of thousands, nay, millions must die. At some point you have to drop this tired shtick. No amount of attempted bastardizations of Marxist and world systems theory can cover up the fact that the Russian Federation is a steaming pile of shit that would be better served just perishing tomorrow lest it continue to fester like a putrid wound upon BRICS.

>>2419689
they got Indians for that

>>2419689
Russians don't have mandatory recruitment, and the only "mobniks" they had was reservists. before making the "unlimited forced mobnik decree" (permanently renewing itself), ukraine went through 14 to 18 (I lost count) forced mobnik waves.

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>>2419851
Here we have not an argument

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>>2419865
By some weird coincidence then Ukraine's number of mobilization waves is roughly the same as the number of EU sanction packages on Russia.
Unlimited sanctions!
Unlimited mobniks!

>>2419867
you can't be angry "patriot" if you don't even know the difference between Crimea and Donetsk. It's silly. And it was "cookteen" who brought back water to Crimea, and it will be him who will restore Donetsk running water, keeping the same track record so far.

>>2419824
Posadists BTFO'ed.

>>2419887
You're replying to the wrong person, I'm just the "cucktin crowd".

>>2419887
>And it was "cookteen" who brought back water to Crimea, and it will be him who will restore Donetsk running water, keeping the same track record so far.
Who gives a shit about infrastructure when they rely on the front, as long as ukorps exist so does the threat of destruction.

Drumph is actually pushing India to China. This is fucking hilarious. Where is that imbecile who was gassing up Trump’s genius victory of totally getting India to stop trading with Russia because Trump said he did lmao

>>2419948
He also apparently ended the India Pakistan battle

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>>2419948
Modi has scheduled a visit to China for the first time in 7 years


>>2419992
He should withdraw his military occupation of South Tibet.

>>2419754
>They’re making noise because Russia has just abandoned a treaty on nuclear weapon deployment and development “1987 Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty” that Trump already abandoned in 2019, along with Russia deploying nuclear weapons in Belarus and I believe mentioned the possibility of deployments of Oreshniks
AFAIK, the nukes have been in Belarus for a couple of years now. The INF thing was pretty much scrapped "rhetorically" in recent years too - Putin has whined about it a bit. If this is what's driving the anxiety, it could be that the first batch of Oreshniks has now been made (per Putin recently), so the "rhetorical" abandonment of the INF is now a concrete threat.

>>2419992
I'd love to see BRICS countries punch Trump in the nose with something economically vicious, but they seem content to wait out his presidency and let him undermine his own economy.

Part of the reason that Trump is getting away with his tariff nonsense is that investors believe he'll use off-ramps when necessary ("Trump always chickens out"), so the US markets look more resilient than they should be.

If bullied enough and pushed too far, BRICS could deprive him of this safety net by executing severe retaliatory measures and declaring them "set in stone until Trump leaves office, no negotiations."

>>2420078
bernard sanders warned that these tariffs are more sanctions than anything, and that trump is making the mistake of sanctioning allies.

>>2419851
>implying oct 7th was not justified
zionazi spotted

>>2420270
Didn’t Sanders advocate against cutting defence spending on the basis that it was a source of jobs for his constituents? Or was that some invention by rightoids?

>>2420309
yes and no. if militaristic projects could give jobs in Vermont, he'd gladly accept them:
https://www.leftvoice.org/not-on-our-side-on-bernie-sanders-and-imperialism/
>“My view is that given the reality of the damn plane, I’d rather it come to Vermont than to South Carolina. And that’s what the Vermont National Guard wants, and that means hundreds of jobs in my city. That’s it.”

He has received huge chunks of moeny from weapons contractors in the past, like that article studied. he's not consistent with leftism when weapons manufacturing comes to the table. well, he isn't consistent with anything, tbqh.

https://aurelien2022.substack.com/p/it-gets-worse



>Insofar as it’s possible to describe the mentality of the western ruling class towards Russia at the moment with any clarity at all, it’s a bizarre mixture of unreasoning fear, hatred, incredulity and almost catatonic incapacity to conceive the future. The last is perhaps the most important, because nothing in the professional experience, or for that matter the education, of western rulers has prepared them for a situation where they are manifestly inferior militarily and economically to a hostile power, and there is nothing they can do about it. Like a small animal confronted with an unknown menace, they have no idea whether to run or whether to hide. So let’s look finally at some of the ways in which this poisonous and unstable situation might develop.


>For as long as possible, the West will try to keep everything on the verbal level, which is the simplest one, and to avoid taking any firm decisions. (Indeed, there are serious doubts whether the western political system, as currently structured, is capable of taking firm decisions anyway.) As I’ve suggested, we can expect a cloud of verbiage designed to disguise the lack of anything to do. Good old standbys would include setting up a Lessons Learned team, or a Future of NATO Working Group developing a new Comprehensive Concept. All this has been done before, especially after 1989: nobody now remembers any of the resulting clever ideas, mostly because they amounted to “let’s keep doing what we’ve always done.” But that’s not possible this time, and not even our current leaders are dumb enough to think it is.


>Another good standby is a repackaging of existing projects and plans under new names. For more than twenty years now, NATO has been working on missile defence projects, with mixed results. The original idea was primarily to defend against possible attacks from Iran or similar potential enemies, but it’s likely that the whole project will be dusted off, given a new name and status and marketed as a way of defending Europe against the new generation of Soviet missiles. This is impossible, of course, but it looks good, and is superficially impressive if you are totally ignorant of missile technology, as western leaders generally are. The alternative—of admitting that Europe is defenceless against such missiles—is politically impossible. And I wouldn’t rule out a proposal from Brussels to start negotiations to outlaw such missiles and technologies, asking the Russians to give up their own current systems against the promise that we won’t develop our own, some time. NATO forces will be given new names, new exercises will be scheduled, new commanders appointed, new collaborative R and D programmes announced, if not necessarily implemented.


>All this is intended to provide the appearance of action when none is, in fact, possible. I don’t say this just to mock, although a little mockery may be in order here, but to point out that an organisation like NATO, widely dispersed geographically, made up of nations of wildly varying sizes, with wildly varying strategic situations and interests, is going to be led, as it always is, to the Least Common Denominator and will have to make the best of it. If NATO still had substantial forces, a military-industrial base, significant equipment holdings and recent experience of large-scale operations, then the situation would be clearer and there would be more possibility of finding something useful to do. But it doesn’t and there isn’t.


>This is likely to provoke an extremely dangerous and unpredictable situation. Mixed with the fear of Russia, after all, is the fear of the security void at the heart of Europe that the end of NATO would leave. The problem is that the reasons why various European nations, especially smaller ones, think NATO is useful to them, are generally mutually contradictory and cannot be articulated in public. So our notional Russian listening device would hear again and again that “we must show our populations that NATO is still relevant,” even if no-one is exactly sure how to do this, and parades and speeches will only accomplish so much. The danger, of course, is that someone will do something really silly.


>NATO has never been called upon to take a really critical collective decision in its entire history, but even decisions of less importance (such as the stationing of Cruise and Pershing missiles in Europe in the 1980s) have been very divisive. The 1999 Kosovo campaign almost brought a much smaller organisation to breaking point. The chances of anything more than a purely performative set of actions this time are about zero, the more so since the gaping strategic differences over Ukraine that are currently kept concealed will start to become increasingly evident. And more and more people with access to the elites will start wondering what, in that case, NATO is actually for. Even within the elites, people will start to ask why, if the US can no longer be used as a political counterweight to Russia (quite apart from having a nutcase as President), the transatlantic link should be continued. At that point, it’s pretty much game over. And that could be very dangerous indeed.


>At the highest strategic level, European states all have an interest in not being bullied or intimidated by a resurgent and angry Russia. Since the Russians will be looking to establish a new security order in Europe that suits their needs, this is entirely possible. The problem is that not all European states will feel equally concerned about a strong and hostile Russia: many will have other and more important priorities. And even if states closer to Russia will understandably feel more nervous, it’s not obvious that a weak and divided group of countries can be of much mutual support to each other, and the US will not be in a position to do more than gesticulate.


>The fact that the Russians probably have no territorial designs on Western Europe actually makes things more difficult, not less. If a conventional military confrontation were likely, then states like Poland and Rumania could build up their forces a little, and have limited contingents from other countries on their soil. But even then, it’s clear from the Ukraine experience that the Russians would simply use their superiority in missiles and drones to destroy western forces, together with their headquarters, logistic and repair depots, transport systems and government structures, without any risk of reprisal. But that’s not the problem: a weak and divided collection of countries with very different strategic situations and priorities, sitting at varying distances from a major military power, is going to have to find some way of preserving as much of their freedom of political manoeuvre as possible. Yet this is almost certainly going to be on a national, or at least multilateral, basis, simply because the situations are so different. In this context, we’re not talking about war, but the use of military forces as cards on the table in any political bargaining, and every state will have a different collection of cards. Some may have none.


>So for countries bordering Russia, or near it, building up ground forces somewhat, and preparing defensive fortifications could make sense as a gesture supporting political independence. It’s hard to see, though, why Belgium or Portugal should do the same. Countries further away will want to invest in assets to patrol their air and maritime borders: again, not to fight, but to provide visible indications of sovereignty. The British and French nuclear systems—perhaps the only genuinely powerful political factors in European defence—are going to have to play a rather different kind of role in the future, but at the moment we can’t say what that will be.


>It’s hard to see any of this being centrally organised, or indeed organised at all. Some small countries will drift towards an accommodation with Russia because they see it as in their best interests. Others will try to preserve more independence, perhaps through ad hoc alliances. NATO, and to an extent the EU, will become ghost organisations, increasingly cut off from the real security questions that will be increasingly re-nationalised.


>Such a transition will be enormously difficult and dangerous, and there will be furious resistance to it by those unwilling to leave fantasy land. The conviction that if you only make the money available everything can be bought will take a long time to disappear, as will parallel fantasies of re-industrialisation and rearmament. The fact that the US and European armaments industries simply can’t produce what might be needed, though obvious enough, will still come as a terrible shock. Meanwhile, some of the looser canons will fantasise about Ukrainian governments in exile, recruiting mercenary armies or establishing guerrilla forces in Russia: anything to avoid admitting defeat. Such initiatives would be exceptionally dangerous and will need to be stamped on hard.


>Washington will be a particular problem here, because in policy terms it’s an anarchic swamp where any and all proposals, no matter how extreme and bizarre, can be found somewhere. There are so many players, so many interest groups and so much money that we can be pretty sure that, as the cold and clammy realisation of defeat sinks in, the most bizarre and ridiculous proposals will be floated. The problem—and it’s not specific to the Russians—is the tendency of other nations to take everything that comes from the US literally, and to fail to separate the reasonably coherent and potentially acceptable ideas from the dross and garbage produced by idiots in search of funding. There’s some evidence that the Russians (like others it must be said) massively over-estimate the degree of consensus and central control in Washington, and so treat seriously ideas that informed insiders dismiss as junk. So it’s quite likely that in the next few years some intern at a minor think tank will come up with a clever plan to station hundreds of nuclear-armed missiles along the Russian frontier. The plan will be instantly forgotten, but the Russians, over-interpreting things as usual, will probably freak out.


>We don’t need this. Getting through the next 5-10 years in one piece is going to be a challenge, and requires careful and thoughtful management of an angry, powerful and suspicious Russia. Now all we need is a western political class capable of doing that. Any idea where we can get one from?

>>2420078
I think BRICS will have to come up with some kind of collective response, and can't just ride it out. And what's to ride out? This is US policy now. Sanctions were losing their effectiveness so they're using tariffs as another form of sanctions to give it more life. The Lindsey gram giga-tariff bill has majority establishment support. This stuff is not going away when Trump does.They never reverse the shitty things Trump does on the world stage. When he moved the embassy to Jerusalem a lot of people complained, and a lot of Democrats, but did Biden move it back? No.
When trump pulled out of the JCPOA with Iran the Democrats complained, but did Biden reverse it? No.
Tariffs have been perverted into another form of imperial coercion, so they will be embraced by the bipartisan consensus and outlast Trump.

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>>2420408
Maybe China can halt the rare-earth metals indefinitely this time instead of giving him a reprieve.

>>2420428
The problem with expecting BRICS to reciprocate in economic war with the US is that it then pressures the neutral, non-BRICS economies to pick sides, who don’t really want to. As long as the US fails to eliminate neutrality in broader global trade, BRICS continues to benefit from global trade.

>>2419717
Recently the Russian education ministry announced they weren't offering Ukrainian language materials and libs were trying to draw an equivalence to that, but I don't really know the details.

>>2420412
Bot spam it seems, reported

>>2420393
>he isn't consistent with anything, tbqh
He is consistent in taking donations from progressives and giving them with his endorsement to center-right candidates.

>>2419689
>Surely they have to recruit people as well and it's an issue for them too, so why don't we see that?
Because it isn't an issue for them. Their army in Ukraine is composed entirely of volunteers and a few reservists. They pay out huge bonuses and combat pay so people sign up of their own volition. Their population and manpower pool is much larger, so they haven't exhausted their supply of people willing to fight voluntarily and don't have to resort to kidnapping people off the street.

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>>2419718
>whereas Russia invading Eastern Ukraine is actually illegal and actually the jurisdiction of the UN and whatnot
The Russian invasion does violate the U.N. Charter. This isn't up for debate.

>>2419791
>Russia sees Ukraine as a brother nation struggling with a historic east-west divide as a borderland, with the issue aggravated to an impasse by European expansion
Actually Russia is fighting to defend traditional Christian values which the West has abandoned.

>Israel-Palestine is a postcolonial issue. Ukraine is an echo of Europe's spread of the nation-state dividing the lands by ethnicity, causing endless crises.

But Black Dynamite, a defining feature of the post-colonial world is the rise of nation-states with a shared language, culture, and history in contrast to extractive colonial empires where power resided in the metropole.

>What's unique about this time around is its not nations rising from old empires and fighting each other, but great power nations coming together in the wake of that fighting and exporting their model

Didn't that happen in the Cold War though like in Vietnam.


>>2420575
>The Russian invasion does violate the U.N. Charter. This isn't up for debate.
Yes it is. Article 51 on collective self defense. It's only not up for debate if you disregard DPR/LPR and pretend they are just "Ukraine" with no separate rights against Kiev. You of course do this because you are a westoid lib and a shill for Ukraine and Nazism. Pretending they were fake entities with no rights has always been central to the Ukraine/NATO narrative.
Their rights were formally established in UNSC Res 2202 (Minsk II), which Ukraine was violating, and increasingly so leading up to Russia's intervention. That is the basis of Russia's legal case for military action (Article 51 collective self defense agaisnt Ukraine's escalating attacks on DPR/LPR.)
Ukraine was violating the UN Charter by violating UNSC resolution 2202. You could argue that Russia violated the UN Charter, but Ukraine was violating it first. This has been the case all along with legal claims, like the claim that Russia occupying or annexing Crimea was "illegal". Russia was legally in Crimea under the legal gov of Ukraine. An illegal gov then seized power and wanted them to leave, but they have no obligation to abide by the decrees of an illegally constituted gov in Kiev. In each case Ukraine and NATO created an illegal situation and then shift blame to Russia for supposedly "illegal" actions responding to the illegal situation Ukraine/NATO created.
>Actually Russia is fighting to defend traditional Christian values which the West has abandoned.
Not really. They are fighting to defend DPR/LPR and enforce Minsk II, and more broadly to defend Russia from NATO encirclement and its plan to collapse and regime change Russia. Rhetoric about Christian values may make its way into the mix, but it's a low order part of the mix at best.

>>2420597
Hey man anything to say about Indian-Russian trade today Drumphboy? You became really quiet about it. Drumph was owning the Russians, what happened?

>>2420401
tl;dr this because there's no point in quoting the whole article, I'd rather just read the whole thing unless you're trying to make a point

>>2420628
What about it boy?

>>2420653
lol bitch 😭

>>2420648
Read boy

>>2419414
didnt they bomb it for a year first


>>2419449
nuclear states like nonproliferation.

>>2419637
>But the Russian government and its supporters constantly talk about how THEY'RE the poor widdle victims while invading their neighbor and annexing territory. Of course they have also (cleverly) borrowed from the "responsibility to protect" and "humanitarian intervention" language
because thats all true. and they aren't fighting ukraine they are fighting the whole west

>>2419449
Has Iran requested it? can't Iran do it by their own? are you sure of whatever you answer in these two questions before this one are officially what Iran desires, with undeniable evidence of it?

Doing nukes for a country that can enrich uranium, and has already created ballistic missiles is a joke. Nukes are old technology, quite simple to do, with a lot of documentation. fuck, if someone paid me, and provided me with the books, and materials, I'd probably could build one on my own, in some years. I highly doubt the Iranians can't.
now, Iranians don't need a nuke. They can put their Uranium, Plutonium, or the Uranium-enriched-for-nuclear-plants residues, the Cs-137/Sr-90 isotopes, on top of any ballistic missile and launch tens of dirty bombs and wipe any country in the ME off earth, with 0 chances of humans beings able to populate it/re-populate it for days, weeks, years, decades and centuries. that's how powerful Iran is, and dangerously stupid for zionists and ameriburgers to attack Iran.

tl;dr: Iran doesn't need Russia.

>>2420575
>Actually Russia is fighting to defend traditional Christian values which the West has abandoned.
Is this supposed to be a rebuttal? I'm not going to pretend Russia is not fighting an unprecedented intersection of nationalism and imperialism because it called you gay.
>But Black Dynamite, a defining feature of the post-colonial world is the rise of nation-states with a shared language, culture, and history in contrast to extractive colonial empires where power resided in the metropole.
Post-colonial nation-states are not homogeneous and their regions do not resemble Europe and the ethnic boundaries it sorted itself into in order to later become liberal. Ukraine's decay was reduced to its insufficiently European nature and the crisis down to the spread of this historic sorting trend. That is, multinational history obstructed the spread of bourgeois democracy rather than capitalism hollowing out a periphery state
>What's unique about this time around is its not nations rising from old empires and fighting each other, but great power nations coming together in the wake of that fighting and exporting their model
>Didn't that happen in the Cold War though like in Vietnam.
No, I'm not sure I know what you mean and I suspect what I wrote wasn't clear. The European trend I'm referring to is long past the collapse of ancien regimes and subsequent national conflict among the great nations, but their reconciling under the US and export of their state model to the postcommunist east, which had a fundamentally different approach to the nationalities question (outside the WP). This created a reactionary intersection of ethnic supremacy and global capital that set Russia up for a an anti-colonial battle. From our point of view, the spread of international capitalism became based on division of the working class contra the promises of the liberal end of history, which obviously destroys the multiethnic borderland of east and west.

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>>2420953
Actually the only shitpost i have seen from him literally every that makes sense

Even Kamchatka wants to literally leave Russia. What is it with Russians not being able to understand why everyone hates them?

>>2420994
Saw someone make that joke already on X

>>2420994
mmmm.. acksually, it's Russia's expansion. Kamchatka moving closer towards Japan means soon total imperial Japan submission.

>>2419992
>USA: does something
>China: receives a visit from everyone that USA has done something against

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>>2420994
>>2421010
>What is it with Russians not being able to understand why everyone hates them?

>>2421130
Yes. Strength creates allies. Japan will never fight America again after being firebombedto smithereens. Weakness creates enemies. Ukraine will keep fightng for another decade because Cucktin refuses to nuke Kiev.

It's now clear that Trump has been cooking the books on economic metrics (jobs) and that he's manufactured headlines for months about trade deals that didn't actually exist (see onslaught of tariffs over past 24 hours to so-called deal countries).

This would completely tank the markets for any other US president, yet Svengali Trump has the investors under his dark spell. I never want to hear another thing about the rationality of capitalism.

>>2421130
It's just one or three Russian boomers who have Russia held hostage to cringey, whiny, nice-guy geopolitics - where complaining to the UN, whining about hypocrisy, feeding the economies of aggressors, performing "gestures of goodwill," and unilaterally adhering to broken 30-day ceasefires to win do-gooder points are the norm.

Mother Russia will rise again with the younger generations brought up on a diet of anti-simp culture.

>>2421136
>just nooooook Kiev, bruh
I will give you this: Kiev and Lvov aren't facing anywhere near enough pressure. Even Rybar gave up trying to understand why they have enough power for their nightlife and concerts.

>>2420575
Your takes have been deteriorating for some time, Gay Nazi-kun
Terminal decline of the supreme imperialism of the West getting to you?
Many such cases.
I still remember you had nuanced takes on China with a largely positive slant (call it Marxist-Leninist, dialectical whatever).
Those were the days, however history marches on. No Mexican standoff lasts forever.

>>2420309
>Didn’t Sanders advocate against cutting defence spending on the basis that it was a source of jobs for his constituents?
Yes, pretty much:

https://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/12/why-bernie-sanders-is-backing-a-15-trillion-military-boondoggle.html

He also has a long history of making anti-war/anti-MIC noise only when Republicans are in power. American leftists noticed this decades ago and gave him the moniker Bernie the Bomber.

>>2420497
>He is consistent in taking donations from progressives and giving them with his endorsement to center-right candidates.
Many call him a sheepdog for the Dems, but this insinuates some kind of back-room-deal shit. I don't think that's actually the case. The real horror is that he plays that role for the Dems without them actually needing to engage in back-room-deal shit. The script is a function of his natural political intuitions.

We must express Critical Support for the Indian people and Modi's government in this time of hardship. The Indian government is being pressured by the global western elites to undermine the needs of the indian people and their industrial sector. Leftists around the world need to critically support India and Modi's government NOW regardless of any indealogical disputes.


>>2421151
>just nooooook Kiev, bruh
Yes. If Cucktin had listened to Surovikin this war and dropped a few nukes this war would already be over. Hell even Prigozhin was racing to get nukes since he knew he needed to wipe Ukraine off the map to enable Russia to win.

>>2421151
>Even Rybar gave up trying to understand why they have enough power for their nightlife and concerts.
The life of a drug using Ukrainian whore partying at nightclubs is 10000x more valuable to Cucktin than the life of a single Russian soldier on the front lines. That's the sad truth and until that changes Russia will continue to stagnate.

>>2421192
Are you suggesting bombing a nightclub would have ended the war more quickly?

>>2419865
You're wrong, there were 4 or 5 waves before the endless one

>>2421198
No but double tapping every Ukrainian soldier's funeral with a missile strike would. And so would nuking Kiev.

>>2421224
Oh okay so bombing the mothers of the deceased would end the war more quickly

>>2421246
Nuking their entire family would yes.

>>2421257
>d00d br0 just no0k Kiev
And there we go

>>2421259
Yes I will keep reiterating this point until it happens (never because Cucktin keeps cucking out).

>>2421260
That’s fine, because everyone already knew your point was that you have no idea how else this war could have been fought.

>>2421270
You kill the nazis (all of them). It's that easy.

>>2421130
I hate just how prescient this fucking meme is. I am a famous cucktin poster, but even I have to admit, I was taken by the hurricane of emotions in this war. I just hate amerikkka so much I wanted russia and china to nuke the west. I hate arrogant richfags you see. But what I am seeing is cucktin was actually a genius and did the fucking impossible which is to repeat 1980s afghanistan but for amerikka. The west is committing suicide without taking a step back and reindustrializing themselves, temporarily nationalizing industries to fight russia etc. Everything is going as is. The west is slowly being boiled alive and this would not happen in the cold war. Back then shit like what putin pulled off would be met with actually war. But no, they are still playing the stupid game. Even tho i hate cucktin, i have to admit this war was very well played for the anti-western camp. You can bet North koreans are not the only ones getting military experience. China will have a much easier time to take over taipoon now. Iran also learned their lesson.

>>2421198
>Are you suggesting bombing a nightclub would have ended the war more quickly?
The doomers on Telegram who mention the nightclubs are whining that Russia isn't cutting Ukraine's power and making life inconvenient for Bandera bunnies in Kiev and Lvov.
Our resident doomers probably want the nightclubs flattened LOL.

>>2421191
I haven't seen any real evidence that Prigozhin was strategically bolder than Putin. All his complaints centered on logistics and deliveries for the Bakhmut grind.

>>2421295
>Bakhmut grind
it WASNT a grind and 25000 Ukrainian soldiers died while only 5000 Wagner fighters died

>>2421278
devil's advocate: no americans are dying, tho

>>2421298
Grind or grinder. Whatevs.
His complaints still centered on logistics and MoD inefficiencies.
It was actually Kadyrov who proposed a tactical nuke in 2022… but for Kherson, IIRC.

>>2421260
Kiev has a lot of ethnic Russians.
Also, nuking humans entails nuking pets like dogs, and dogs are too awesome for such an end.
What puzzles me about Russia's approach to Kiev is that (1) it seems entirely kinetic, at least what we can observe overtly, and (2) it seems reactive more than proactive in that legitimate military targets are picked out in response to provocations instead of being taken out wholesale

>>2421299
Americans will never admit their people are dying because muttlandia is a very trigger happy collection of fucks. Remember all those deaths of navy seals during training exercises with Yemen? Remember the training exercise deaths after soleimani death retaliation?
Remember those platoons that mysteriously disappeared in the swamps of lithuania?
Remember all those FOIA requests for servicemembers deaths that were redacted/obfuscated?


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Every few months, the Russian SVR issues a press release saying that Zelensky is about to be shanked by NATO, yet I still see his ugly mug on my Internet every day. Makes me think it's just some C-grade disinfo effort to increase his coke paranoia.

>>2421299
Actually our stupid asses are dying. Despite the treatlerite narrative every time they pour more money into the MIC over here for some bullshit proxy war or something else to maintain our dying hegemony the social cost is more austerity, more privatization, more deregulation, more labor discipline, etc. So there is what Engels called social murder over here as the cost for these proxy conflicts. We die without even getting drafted, in the form of increased homelessness and drug addiction, poorly maintained infrastructure collapsing on us, lack of healthcare etc.

This is not to make us the victims, but to simply say that we do pay the price for what we do, at least indirectly, and eventually, when we run out of puppets, proxies, and time, directly.

>>2421326
1. no one died from soleimani's death lmao Iran always gives a heads up in advance to american bases
2. no navy seals died in Yemen lol
3. 1 APC got sucked into a swamp and died in lithuania but that was like 4 soldiers max

russians are seething since they've killed like 0 americans this entire war

>>2421337
sounds like a you problem since if the majority also thought this war america would have went communist decades ago. americans love war and love bombing people overseas and love slashing benefits to everyone but the wealthy. that's just your nature.

so Russia is gonna win huh

>>2421341
>sounds like a you problem
Yes that's what I said

Russian boomers are easily fooled. It would not surprise me at all if one of the reasons for the excessive restraint on the boomers' part is that they keep picking up "intel" showing that America is about to drop Zelensky.

>>2421338
You are clearly glowing.
Kill yourself glowfag.

>>2421346
As if the whole thing revolves around zelya and not the oligarchy there and western spies. Fucking dumb fuck soviet boomers.

>>2421358
Be easy on the boomers. Dugin thought Trump would lead a second american revolution. They were so used to trusting Soviet sources during the Cold War it never occurred to them that the West lies nonstop.

>>2421350
Post proofs. Where are the American passports of the soldiers Russia has supposedly killed? Oh wait that's right they don't exist because they haven't killed any lol. I think during the start of the war they bragged about getting a few Brits who volunteered but it's been radio silent since then with Ziggers hallucinating that they've killed 100238620932-09368203 billion Americans.

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So when does russia start winning?

>>2421379
Once all the bits in green have turned to red again then we'll know Russia has finished stalemating and will finally start going on the offensive again.

>>2421379
This dumb ass russian imperialist war is such a blunder for russian, they already lost above 100k soldier in this stupid ass quagmire of a war.

>>2421385
100k is nothing compared to the 2-3 million-plus troops they will lose over the next 10-15 years. Eurasia is going to war as the West makes its last stand against the world

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>>2421278
>cucktin was actually a genius and did the fucking impossible which is to repeat 1980s afghanistan but for amerikka
This is ironic because the Afghanistan debacle of Operation Cyclone was framed by Zbigniew Brzezinski as baiting the Soviets into their own Vietnam war.

>>2421396
Russian keep coping about "muh NATO enchroment" or something, instead of starting a stupid ass war to lose thousand of young able body man that would help the country, they should just had updated their nuclear weapons to keep up any threats off their country, but no, they need to invade a country and start a pointless war where they are not outright losing, but bleeding a lot, after this war Russia will be a far weaker country and probably will need China helps to keep afloat, only in the mind of most delusional zigger Russia is somehow winning.

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4Ushakov: The U.S. proposed a "acceptable" plan to the Kremlin

According to Putin's aide Yury Ushakov, Washington presented a proposal that Moscow considers "acceptable." The talks were initiated by Trump’s special envoy, Steve Witkoff.

Polish outlet Onet claims to have obtained the details of the proposal:

A ceasefire between Ukraine and Russia — not a peace treaty; De facto recognition of occupied territories by "freezing" the issue for 49–99 years; Lifting most sanctions imposed on Russia; Eventual return to importing Russian gas and oil; No guarantees regarding NATO’s non-expansion; The U.S. will not stop military support for Ukraine.


Ukraine collapse status? Maybe in 49-99 years

>>2421423
Can definitely see Putin cucking but there will definitely not be anything without official recognition of Crimea. That’s all he cares about. So it’s safe to go ahead and dismiss these polack retards

kEEEEEEK pustula von der merde comes in, and while some Finnish guys protests at her in a public event is arrested FOR PROSTESTING HER, she screams that he should be thankful because in RUSSIA HE WOULD BE ARRESTED FOR PROTESTING.
KEEEEK

>>2421155
>Your takes have been deteriorating for some time, Gay Nazi-kun
It wasn't obvious back when he was a hardcore self-proclaimed KHiver?

>>2421449
Or when he was in here pushing clean Wehrmacht shit

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>>2421448 (me)
some wild shit, keeeek
imagine branding yourself as the opposite of Russia in the same moment your words are being watered down.

>>2421451
>>2421449
or when he said that is a looney theory that al-joolani is a zionist agent. be very mindful of what he says, he tries to appeal to some pseudo-intellectualism while immediately placing some genuinely devastating psyop propaganda.

>>2421449
>he was a hardcore self-proclaimed KHiver
Are u for real LMAO

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>>2421379
The war is international and based on attrition, not territory.

>>2421461
1-2 more years before a revolt ends the war then.

>>2421151
as far I am concerned, the SMO isn't related to destroy some people dancing in the richest neighbors in Kiev/Lvov.

>>2421448
It can't get more embarassing. She is soooo fucking STUPID. It hurts.

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<BREAKING: “Trump will agree to meet with Putin only if he also holds talks with Zelensky”
<— White House representative
<Putin rejected a meeting with Zelensky today, so we have trouble.
This is a simple test whether Putin still has it. If Don the con keeps pushing and Putin caves, thereby legitimizing Zelensky, he doesn't have it. :)

Hell, showman Don the con may even try to ambush Putin with Zelensky.

>>2421469
>destroy some people dancing in the richest neighbors in Kiev/Lvov.
"Even Rybar gave up trying to understand why they have enough power for their nightlife and concerts."

>>2421423
kek, nice bait. Not even Putin is naive enough to accept that.

BREAKTHROUGH IMMINENT

>>2421423
They're just going to stick to July 2024

Putin's been fighting this war with kid gloves and with a huge inferiority complex toward his Western partners from day one. If the war ends with the Banderite regime still in power, hard to see that as anything other than a strategic defeat.

>>2421469
Who do you think funds Azov and Zele sky and all these Banderites? The poor pensioners living in Kharkiv? Or rich fucks like Poroshenko? Kill the wealthy and you remove all internal pressure in ukraine to continue the war.
Nuke Kiev NOW

>>2421423
Rejoice, Zisters! Our beloved western partners have awoken and will now treat us as respectable lackeys! Time for President Putin to sign Minsk 5!

gotcha!
>Putin must meet with Zelenskyy before Trump, White House says
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/08/07/putin-zelenskyy-meeting-white-house-00497908

>>2421555
lel they are going to try and kill him again like they wanted to in Turkey a few months ago

>>2421555
If Putin had any self-respect whatsoever after what the US/UK have done on his soil, he'd ghost all negotiations and await Ukraine's unconditional surrender.

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>>2421219
you aren't counting the extensions, because you are a retard.
those are the recruitment waves I am talking about. and yes, totaled 14 calls.
suck it up, nafoid.

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>>2421423
>Polish outlet Onet claims

>>2421338
Pretty much every time Ukraine cries about some civilian site getting leveled it's because it's full of natoids, and not long after there will be reports of several us officers dying of innocuous circumstances.

>>2421343
Barring something extremely unlikely and unforeseen like a meteor falling onto Moscow, yeah, that's the likely outcome.

>>2421412
Nafoid cope

https://www.intellinews.com/russia-s-rosstat-decides-to-hide-increasing-bleak-income-and-retail-figures-from-the-public-394858/?source=russia

Russia’s Rosstat decides to hide increasing bleak income and retail figures from the public

>In July Rosstat declared it will withhold data on monthly retail, wholesale trade, income, and salary data from its June release. Analysts say the reason is those numbers paint an increasingly bleak picture the government is trying to  hide from the public.


>Reconciled data between Rosstat and Sberbank shows that real wage growth is, for all intents and purposes, stagnant, Kommersant reports.


>Growth in demand of individuals for goods and services in June was just 1.4% y/y according to Sberindex and statisticians increased their estimate of annual growth of real disposable income in the first quarter of 2025 by 0.3 percentage points to 8.7%, down modestly from last year’s record levels.


>Real wages growth is also slowing. In annual terms it increased by 4.2% in May against growth of 4.6% in April, 0.1% in March, 3.2% in February and 6.5% in January 2025 in nominal terms, Kommersant reports. But removing seasonality and all these numbers become negative: growth in May compared to April was -0.4%, in April compared to March -1.5%, in March -0.2%, in February -1.2%, in January -2.2%, according to Centre for Macroeconomic Analysis and Short-Term Forecasting (CMASF).


>Banks are expecting the government to scale back subsidy support as budgetary pressures intensify as Russia’s economic problems grow, says Nicholas Trickett, a political economy analyst writing in Riddle.


>Inflation is falling faster than expected allowing the Central Bank of Russia (CBR) to put in 300bp of rate cuts in the last two months to help boost growth and could put in another 300bp of cuts before the end of the year. But the Russian economy is cooling fast as well, sparking a debate over if this is a recession or just an economic slowdown. As a warning sign, Russia’s manufacturing PMI suffered its sharpest fall in three years in July, S&P Global reported this week.


>“The Ministry of Finance is issuing debt at a breakneck pace this year—RUB2.8 trillion so far. The impending spending squeeze, as oil market pressures tighten, will leave families worse off,” says Trickett.


>Banks providing subsidized mortgages that survived the June 2024 suspension of a generous mortgage subsidy programme that rocked the real estate market now require borrowers to deposit 30.1% of the property’s value upfront, up from 20.1%. Housing prices have fallen, but recent reports say they have not fallen as far or fast as some feared after the subsidies were cancelled. Russia’s chronic labour shortage has also eased somewhat in recent months, but with unemployment stuck at a historic low of 2.2% it remains a problem.


>Trickett argues that the economy will come under increasing pressure from the changes in the labour market, which is why Rosstat has shut off access to the wage and retail numbers.


>“As the labour market weakens slightly and these shifts in financial flows accumulate, businesses will be caught trying to raise prices to protect their bottom line while slowing wage increases. The current balance is unsustainable,” says Trickett.


>Russia’s average monthly salary is nearly RUB100,000 ($1,250) – a third of Russians earn RUB100,000, according to Rosstat – the weakness of import demand has contributed to a stronger ruble, and most forms of investment are declining, which are helping to bring down inflation, but they are depressing consumption too. The extent of these changes has become hard to assess since this data is now being withheld or manipulated. That suggests things have become “dire,” says Trickett.


>“Consumer sentiment surveys simply don’t align with spending patterns on goods and services. Something is breaking, and rate cuts alone won’t mend the damage,” says Trickett.

https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/western-analysts-find-little-hope

<We have seen for the past few months the slow acceptance in the pro-Ukrainian information field of the fact that Russia will not stop, nor will be stopped by any feeble political games from the US and EU. But more than this, they have begun to accept that the war will last a long time, that Ukraine has few options—and most importantly—that no deus ex machina-style salvation will come by way of some magic wunderwaffen or huge financial windfall.


<The latest to voice these hardening outlooks is military commentator—esteemed in the West—Michael Kofman, who has been quiet on the analytical front for a long time, given that he had little positive spin to share. Now he has returned from a trip—presumably to Ukraine—and decided to share his updated thoughts on the situation as a whole. It’s worth looking at because in many ways Kofman’s interpretations of events have always represented the ‘leading edge’ of the pro-UA analytical sphere, and thus serve as a kind of canary in coalmine for shifts in the narrative.




https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1950998968416215459.html

An update on the war following a recent trip. As Russian offensive presume mounts, the front is not at risk of collapse, though salients have formed. More concerning is that Russian improvements in drone employment have reduced Ukraine’s advantages. Long thread. 1/

In 2024 AFU expanded drone units within the force. This helped offset Russia’s materiel advantage, while compensating for the AFU’s continued manpower deficit. These initiatives are now well known and I covered them in previous threads. 2/

https://x.com/KofmanMichael/status/1902694940485767451

Drones became responsible for most day-to-day casualties at the front, attriting Russian forces at 0-15km, and serving as the main force multiplier for the AFU. This enabled a low-density defending force to hold the 1200km+ front line, establishing defeat and denial zones. 3/

Russian casualties increased relative to terrain being gained. However, it was unclear whether drones would be enough to stabilize the front line given Ukraine’s manpower challenges, RF ability to replace losses, and if Russian forces could adapt to counter this approach. 4/

Since then, the Russian military began deploying its own offensive ‘line of drones,’ and improving how it employs drone units. Russian Rubicon drone units have spread to every Russian grouping of troops, and are the most spoken of challenge across the front. 5/

Rubicon formations focus on severing logistics with fiber-optic drones operating 20-25km behind the front line, destroying drone positions, and intercepting Ukrainian drones (winged ISR/heavy multirotor). In general, Russian drone units have become better organized. 6/

This does not mean that Ukraine has lost its qualitative edge in drone employment, but that the advantage has narrowed, Russian forces continue to adapt, and Ukraine must find ways to stay ahead. 7/

The situation in Sumy has stabilized after AFU deployed air assault units there to counter the Russian advance, holding it to a small buffer of 200km2. Russian forces make slow progress by Kupiansk, and east of the Oskil river, but continue inching forward. 8/

The immediate problem is the near envelopment of Pokrovsk, the pocket formed around Kostiantynivka, and the fighting near the Dnipro/Donetsk border by Novopavlivka. Russian units are also trying to stretch AFU manpower with attempts to push in Zap along the Dnipro river. 9/

The Russian military continues to underperform given their overall advantage in manpower and materiel. It is remarkable that AFU has held Pokrovsk and Chasiv Yar this long. But the situation has worsened, and probably will further before Russian offensives stall. 10/

The current dynamic is one of lines held by what are often 3-man positions with large gaps in between. These are neither firing positions, or observation points. They form a porous line in which infantry are often told to not to expose themselves unless absolutely necessary. 11/

Russian attacks are sometimes in 4-6 man groups, but in many cases have decreased to numerous 2-3 man sections trying to penetrate in between Ukrainian positions. Russian infantry seeks to advance as far as possible past Ukraine’s initial line and entrench there. 12/

Although many may be lost, some get through, and entrench awaiting reinforcements. Much the same can be said of motorcycle and buggy assaults, trying to bypass initial 'lines' and enter the rear. Most fail, but not all, leading to small tactical advances. 13/

Mechanized assaults are now seen much less frequently. In part because Russian forces are trying to conserve equipment, but also because AFU has long optimized for defeating traditional mechanized attacks which invariably fail with high vehicle losses. 14/

This is why evaluating armor availability as a metric is still useful, but less relevant if Russian forces are advancing at a faster rate than in 2024 with much lower use of AFVs. Similarly, artillery fire rate asymmetry was critical 2022-2023, but no longer as relevant. 15/

Although there is great work done detailing Ukrainian fortifications, most of the observed positions are constructed in the open and will never be occupied by units. They are easily targeted and destroyed. Ukraine lacks infantry to man most of them in the first place. 16/

This is not a war of trenches. It is a war of individual fighting positions, fortified and well masked units in tree lines, buildings, basements, or in dense forests. Occupying fortifications in the open is usually considered suicidal by troops. 17/

Since pervasive ISR and fires impose a degree of fire control over forward positions it is not possible to maintain large numbers of troops forward, sustain, or rotate them. Now some are on the line for 90+ days, and it often takes several days to reach a position on foot. 18/

Despite drones being the main casualty producing weapon (80%+), artillery remains important, with many units’ artillery use holding steady, or in some cases increasing. Artillery canalizes attacks, suppresses, operates in all-weather conditions, and is still relevant. 19/

Overemphasis on drones overlooks that the current dynamic is due to a combination of mining, use of drones, and traditional artillery fires. Hence maintaining adequate supply of arty and mortar munitions remains important despite drones doing much of the lifting. 20/

Russian tactics do not lend themselves to attaining operationally significant breakthroughs, but given the character of the fight, territory changing hands is a lagging indicator for what’s happening. Consequently, ‘gradually then suddenly’ transitions are possible. 21/

Ukrainian forces are increasingly defending in salients, with Russian drone units working to constrain logistical supply to these areas in an effort to collapse the pockets. Hence the geometry of the battlefield lends itself poorly to stabilization. 22/ (DeepStateMap)

The main culprit is a policy to hold onto every meter, even when in near envelopment, or in disadvantageous terrain. Rather than trading space for attrition, or conducting a mobile defense, AFU commanders are forced to try and hold onto untenable positions. 23/

Russian drone strikes have increasingly focused on bombarding civilian structures, and Ukraine’s defense industry in particular, seeking to suppress domestic production. Shahed (Geran) drones are also used against targets close to frontline positions. 24/

There has been an exponential increase in Russian drone & missile strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure. However, Ukraine is rapidly scaling up use of drone-based interceptors, paired with light radars. 25/

It will take time to expand production, upgrade mobile air defense, and build out a defensive line of air defense units, but the technical solution to the Shahed/imitator drone saturation problem exists and it is a matter of resourcing its deployment. 26/

Ukraine’s Unmanned Systems Forces are now led by Robert Brovdi, head of Madyar, and is launching plans that will better integrate and systematize drone employment. These hold promise as Ukrainian drone employment needs to evolve to stay ahead. 27/

One area where Ukraine remains clearly ahead of Russian forces is UGV employment for logistics, and medivac. This is more about establishing capable mesh networks to enable UGV use across terrain, and the cost of the comms can easily equal that of the platform. 28/

Ukraine is also seeking to close the gap in strike munitions that cover the 30-100km range, and strike systems for operational depths of 300km+ that are much more effective than cheap light drones, i.e. GLCMs and SRBMs. 29/

Ukraine is finally getting rid of the OTU and TG command layers that offered little besides trying to micromanage brigades, and set unrealistic combat tasks. Corps will take over, arranged under two Joint Task Forces (East and North) reporting to the OSUV. 30/

The new Corps hold promise, but the commands are being formed quickly. They will take time to become a cohesive structure, and unfortunately, they will have to command the units around them, not the those assigned to them, since BDEs can’t be easily redeployed. 31/

But it is not clear how much decision-making authority Corps, JTFs, or even OSUV commanders will have if the General Staff attempts to micromanage at the tactical level, retaining authority for allowing withdrawal from any positions, or order costly counterattacks. 32/

Russia continues to receive large volumes of artillery ammo from DPRK, and artillery systems, while being supported by China. Yet its economy is slowing down, and the increased rate of manpower losses has forced a postponement of force expansion plans in 2025. 33/

Bottom line: Despite the challenges, Ukrainian forces continue to hold Russian forces to incremental gains, extracting a steep price for territorial gains. Drone units are a key part of the solution, but by themselves may not be sufficient to stabilize the front. 34/

Ukraine needs a mix of hi-low capabilities (including expanding offensive strike), steady Western support & investment in its defense sector, alongside necessary reforms to force management, organization, and force generation. 35/

There's a fair amount I couldn't include in this thread as it was already 35 posts long, and I always ask myself how do we know what we know? Are we looking at the right things? Is there enough evidence for any given claim? If you've made it this far - thanks for reading.

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Zelensky has now made four tweets in the last seven hours stressing that Europe must be a participant in the diplomatic process

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its ova

>>2421792
>>2421794
we've already done this a few months ago. nothing will come of it. grinding will continue

Anti autist aktion

>>2421703
Yes, and toddlers and children will turn out to be NATOids, so it's better to get them when they are young, it's more environmentally friendly as well.

>>2421412
>they should just had updated their nuclear weapons to keep up any threats off their country, but no
The entire war is because of the US pulling out of the ABM and START treaties and putting dual use medium range ballistic missiles <5 minutes from Moscow. The purpose of which was to destablize mutually assured destruction by enabling a crippling first strike on Russias hardened static launch silos, which is the whole of the reason they started making Kinzal Zircon Avangaurd and Oreshnik. Thats the core of what "muh NATO enchroment" has always meant, its a reverse Cuban missile crisis.

The reason ABM and START treaties exist in the first place is to make MRBM off limits because the counter to that was Reagan's Star Wars program. The Soviets had better rocketry by the 70s and the US conceded after making the Pershing II and signed the treaties so they wouldn't go bankrupt.

Now they are instead openly violating the outer space treaty because they can't into hypersonics because they are decades behind in materials science and fuel chemistry, so they retrofitted the Shuttle as an orbital nuke platform while they light money on fire while waiting to develop laser tracking satellites that wont work. In other words Russia did update their nukes, and are bankrupting NATO on top of that.

>>2421792
>Zelensky has now made four tweets in the last seven hours stressing that Europe must be a participant in the diplomatic process
Zelenskyy seems in the middle of the tug-o-war between the EU and Washington to control Ukraine, he has to be useful to both. Neither will have a problem taking the Zman out and plying their trade, which will look a lot more organic anyway, than Zelenskyy signing something at symbolic gunpoint from everyone. But the latter may let him fall off graciously, as a PR mediator, rather than a nuisance to be rid of from either side.

>>2421759
Readable English Version
1. Drones at the Front
Drones have become the primary cause of daily casualties at the front, striking Russian forces within 0–15 km and acting as the main force multiplier for the AFU. This has allowed a relatively small defending force to hold over 1,200 km of front line, creating zones of denial and attrition.

2. Russian Adaptation
While drones have increased Russian losses relative to terrain gained, it’s unclear if they can fully stabilize the front given Ukraine’s manpower shortages, Russia’s ability to replace losses, and possible Russian countermeasures. Russia has now deployed its own “line of drones” and improved their use, particularly with Rubicon units, which are present across all troop groupings. These target logistics 20–25 km behind the line, destroy Ukrainian drone sites, and intercept ISR and heavy multirotor drones.

3. Shifting Battlefield Dynamics
Ukraine retains a qualitative edge in drones, but the gap is narrowing. The Sumy front has stabilized after air assault units were deployed, while Russian forces advance slowly near Kupiansk and east of the Oskil River. The most urgent threats are around Pokrovsk, Kostiantynivka, and Novopavlivka.

4. Russian Offensive Tactics
Despite advantages in manpower and materiel, Russia has underperformed. Attacks now often involve 2–3 man teams infiltrating gaps rather than large mechanized assaults, which have become rare due to equipment conservation and Ukraine’s strong anti-armor defenses. Some infiltrations succeed, leading to small gains.

5. Fortifications and Troop Deployment
This is not a war of continuous trenches, but of dispersed, fortified positions hidden in tree lines, buildings, and forests. Open-field fortifications are rarely used due to high vulnerability. Limited manpower means positions are thinly held, with some troops staying in place for over 90 days.

6. Artillery and Drones
While drones cause over 80% of casualties, artillery remains critical for channeling attacks, suppression, and all-weather use. The most effective defense combines mines, drones, and artillery.

7. Strategic Challenges
Ukrainian forces often hold on to every meter of ground, even in near-encirclement, rather than trading space for attrition. Russian drone strikes increasingly target civilian infrastructure and Ukraine’s defense industry. Ukraine is expanding drone interceptors with light radars, but production and deployment will take time.

8. Ukrainian Adaptations
The Unmanned Systems Forces, now under Robert Brovdi, aim to better integrate drones. Ukraine leads in UGVs for logistics and medevac and is seeking more effective long-range strike capabilities (GLCMs, SRBMs). Command restructuring is underway, replacing outdated layers with Corps under Joint Task Forces.

9. Russian Supply and Limits
Russia receives artillery supplies from DPRK and support from China, but its economy is slowing, and manpower losses have delayed force expansion plans.

10. Bottom Line
Ukraine continues to inflict heavy costs for small Russian gains. Drones are vital but cannot alone stabilize the front. A mix of high- and low-end capabilities, steady Western support, defense sector investment, and force structure reforms are essential.

>>2421412
Russia was supposed to gain population not lose it with this war by annexing both Ukraine and Belarus with this 3-day-special-operation. Problem is that once Russia was stuck in this war it cant get out of it without risking government collapse and Putin ousted.

>>2423052
Abridged version: 14:1 K/D ratio in favour of Ukraine! Do not panic!

>>2423057
>annex Belarus
Any second now NATObros

>>2423057
Even the IMF says there around 6-7 million people in New Russia, retard

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