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>>2416419 >>2418198Why are you defending national socialism?
(This is a rhetorical question, I already know the answer, I just want to hear you say it.)
>>2418214I know you are not only a fascist, but also a liar.
Why are you defending national socialism?
>>2418224You are defending national socialism and yet you have the absolute nerve to call anyone else a reactionary.
Do you even know anything about your own ideology, or are you as stupid as you are dishonest?
>>2418187>>2418200>>2418212>>2418219>>2418227>>2418231Good goy.
>>2418212Liar. You defend socialism with national characteristics. No bueno, goycattle. Give me more money to kill Palestinians as penance.
>>2418228You can't "dig it up" because the post doesn't exist.
I am the only Communist here because I am the only one who accepts Leninism, the very simple doctrine that the state must be smashed by the armed body of the proletariat and all attempts at reform simply subordinate your movement to the bourgeoise forever.
You are objectively not a Communist and neither is anyone else who posts here, because your "leftism" begins and ends with "I want a comfy life for ME, by any means necessary"
>>2418262They believe Israel should exist as a Jewish state and are therefore Zionist by definition. It really is that simple.
>>2418261None of you are working towards smashing the state, you are working towards reforming and preserving it so it can rule forever. You understand that this will come at the expense of every other human being living on earth and you are fundamentally ok with this.
>>2418288But have you considered that Americans wear clothes and eat more than twice a week? Decadent treatlerites
Anyways what's good on the whole communism building front on your end?
>>2418300And now you realize the truth:
Liberals and Fascists are the same damn thing.
>>2418238>"Trump won California!">Is a talking point I hear out here way too much.Remember that map they made claiming that Trump won LA and Humboldt County?
>>2418252>MAGA truly lives in a fantasy world that's completely disconnected with reality on levels not seen outside of doomsday UFO cults. I'm all for giving people second chances and looking at the material circumstances that drive people to such ends and whatnot, but we've long passed the point where the majority of MAGA is an objective threat to the wellbeing of not only other Americans but the world as well. I dont think it's an exaggeration to say that MAGA is the most dangerous death cult to ever existWhat's happened is that Trump united all the schizos - including the UFO cults - under his banner. I think that when they finally realize there's going to be no televised mass executions of Democrats, no NESARA, no MedBeds that reverse aging, no JFK being alive, they're going to literally go out in flames.
>>2418300>genuinely he sounds like a run-of-the-mill democrat more every day, down to the mocking trump for not reaching his promised deportation numbers shit.Harris-Fuentes 2028!
>>2418330>MLK was communist and muslimkeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek
malcolm rollin in his grave
>>2418304My loyal golem.
>>2418307Silence, outlander goy.
>>2418360It's the same shit /pol/ does whenever a Current Event happens: They think they can peel people here off to their side, and whenever it becomes obvious that everybody sees through their bullshit, they throw a tantrum and start spamming bullshit. What they really want is the other side to give them validation by bowing down and going "you're right about everything," because they can't understand that there are fundamental and irreconcilable differences in our different views regarding why the system sucks so much
Five bucks says goycattle guy responds to this with the same chad pic going "good goy" or some variant thereof
>>2418388It's spiritually exhausting. The psychopathology of this country really does become like a transmissible mental disorder through sheer annoyance and overexposure. It's like a JG Ballard novel come to life
>>2418313>Well sure, that's what this whole buildup for WW3 is about.America literally doesn't have the industrial capacity to fight WWIII because a lot of the war material was sent to the Ukraine. It's going to literally take years to rebuild and the MIC is having a hard time finding the rare-earth metals used to build modern weaponry becuase of Chinese export restrictions. They'd be too busy fighting a counter-insugency in America itself if they ever tried to conscript people into the Army or weapons factories. The only people that would willingly fight are the same people that are joining ICE.
>>2418319>I know this is probably a nothingburger but if Trump actually tries to arrest these people in Illinois over this glorified publicity stunt I'm probably going to die of laughterIt's not like that pack of screeching hall monitors known as the Democratic Party is going to do anything other than seethe on Bluesky and Reddit about that dang dirty "DonOLD Blumph" and pro-Palestinian activists.
How Laura Loomer's pressure campaigns are reshaping the Trump administration
Loomer has been on a crusade to purge officials she sees as disloyal to Trump.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/operate-independent-agency-laura-loomers-pressure-campaigns-reshaping/story?id=124285112>>2418401The indignity of being ruled by the dumbest, cruelest rabid animals on earth is like a piece of rebar stuck in your brain.
You see morons like Trump, Vance, Loomer, Musk etc and it actively maddens you into becoming dumber, until there's a piece of you that's regressed to pure id, going "BLOOD BLOOD BLOOD BLOOD BLOOD"
>>2418415If I had psychic powers I would make the worst oligarchs on earth prolapse inside out slowly ass-first, conscious the entire time, and then manifest a clown cranking his hog non-stop, fire hose after fire hose, no refractory period, all while maintaining eye contact
>AAAAAAAA JESUS HELP ME<A HYUK HYUK HONK HONK OOOOOOOGGGGH HONK HONK HONK for six hours
Federal agents flee arson attack at ICE office in Washington state after rock hurled through window
Federal immigration agents escaped an arson attack at their office in Yakima, Washington, over the weekend, The Post has learned.
An unidentified crazed arsonist first threw a rock through a window of the building — which is listed as a field office on ICE’s website — before setting a fire in the back of the property on Saturday, Assistant Homeland Security Secretary Tricia McLaughlin told The Post.
Photos taken during the torching show flames charring the grass behind a chain link fence surrounding the building while a thick cloud of black smoke billowed above.
https://nypost.com/2025/08/05/us-news/arsonist-attacks-ice-office-in-washington-state-hurls-rock-through-window/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nypost>>2418498 (me)
>inb4 that's giving the chuds what they wantMoving to place where they can actually get meaningfully kicked out or blocked would be the worst thing for them, because they love having us all in an unmoderated imageboard where they can spam and harass at will. It's like when chuds threw a bitchfit over libs moving to bluesky, without a victim, bullies turn on each other with nobody to torment.
>>2418498moving AGAIN will just kill the board off for good (I mean it's already pretty much dead). We shouldn't have never moved from bunkerchan, that shit was fucking stupid and spearheaded by terminally online losers that aren't even here anymore. Hexbear is cringe as fuck due to redditor infestation (you go there and the front page is filled with threads dedicated to trans and disabled people, embarassing) and lemmygrad is dead.
The mods here just need to get rid of TOR posting and hand some permabans and it'll be fine. Maybe one day we will get back to bunkerchan tier quality discussions (we won't)
>>2418506>you go there and the front page is filled with threads dedicated to trans and disabled people, embarassingdid the creation of
>>>/lgbt/ make you mad
>>2418439This is just pure schizophrenia, she's muttering numbers and talking about "abdicating the throne" or whatever, the weird british accent she puts on is just, well, kooky.
I can understand "magical thinking" to a degree, that Law of Attraction bullshit and False Positives, but this woman hasn't left some house in, what, Pennsylvania? And she's convinced herself she's in Buckingham palace.
>>2418567>it's going to become even worse, soon everything will have a little grok whispering in their ears about the god emperor trump. i don't think we've ever even seen a society degenerate so quickly into a generalized state of complete schizophreniaY'all read that article on people who had their brains broken by AI? Like one would read out what his AI would say to him in front of his wife and start weeping, 'cause ChatGPT convinced him it was God and he was its Messiah. Another was a woman who claimed ChatGPT let her communicate with angels.
Personally I'm gonna blame all this on Sola Scriptura 'till my dying day. The moment we let people try to interpret text for themselves without training is the moment we got all this retarded shit.
>>2418439good. fertilizer for the ground.
>>2418449you couldn't.
>>2418579Nah that's a new one, got a link to it?
>>2418578I propose filtering "Amerikkka" to "America", pausing the TOR node, and banning third worldists on site.
I know this isn't a popular opinion, but I've never been one for popularity.
>>2418600>>2418595>>2418597Lol, triggered the losers.
Again it's like Nazis, their mere presence just pushes other people out. Ban the TWists and the board will grow.
>>24185841. no torcels
2. no namecels
>>2418599some glowie said in the previous thread that only liberals use the term national chauvinist. when I cited Lenin saying it they never responded. There's just a lot of bad faith false flagging going on
in genera.
>>2418622idk
>>2418621on imageboards it is very easy to get the idea "I'll just pretend to be the people I dislike, but an even more annoying and extreme version of them"
>>2418629Meanwhile you think anything short of saying shit like this guy
>>2418630 is saying "we need to put non-white people in camps".
Yes third worldists are idiots who drag down the entire movement with their stupidity. If you don't excise them they fester and push out anyone else.
>>2418629I don't agree with CPUSA anon on a bunch of things, but I've never seen the guy say this shit. It's obvious you're just trying to bait people
Again, for folks reading this, see:
>>2418640 >>2418641The problem is that ignoring it only works when people are willing to ignore it, and when that actually is capable of getting normal trolls to shut up.
When you have malignant narcissists who take it as a sign to push harder (yes this is what they do, TWist anon is exhibiting textbook behavior,) ignoring stops working because they just spam the thread until someone finally snaps and goes "dude shut UP," and the whole thing becomes a shitshow again
>>2418642>he should be out there, walking dogs and slobbering over lego blocks or whatever special ed children dokek
rather than spec ed children, more like in a geriatric for old folks that are yelling at clouds because he can't reply to
>hey crackawith
>mah ոіggаh >>2418646The Patsocs are actually considerably to the left of the "C"PUSA on every issue, including and especially Zionism.
It's clear none of you have ever interacted with the "C"PUSA before IRL, because you have absolutely no idea what they actually believe. Either that or you agree with it, meaning you are objectively Strasserites.
>>2418636a plurality of DC residents (40%) are black btw. So it's obviously a pretense like you said. I hope the residents of DC (who get no political representatino btw) rise up against the capitol hill mobsters and establishes the DC Commune.
>>2418642another Mass Tor Baiter
>>2418582Here's the thing: No it isn't.
They say they want it, but the reality is, they LOVE having marks to bait in an unmoderated space.
Remember how third-worldist anon reacted to this suggestion last week, when he started going on insane rants going "REEE GET OUT" in way transparently calculated to get a response?
They don't actually want us gone, they want us here and permanently triggered. If we actually left it would be like when chuds reacted to libs leaving X for Bluesky: They say they want it until they get it, then they go "No, come back!" because trolls die without attention, and they'll just turn on each other.
Same goes for the Nazi trolls, MAGA communist posters, etc: they love this place because it's easy bait farming.
>>2418657^ See? Like this guy, right here.
How long until do you think this guy will last in an actual org with this kind of holier-than-thou, bad-faith strawmanning attitude? He'll eventually get kicked out for being a wrecker.
If he's telling the truth, and PSL folks found his posts, do you think they wouldn't have second thoughts about letting an aggressive troll into their organization and risk group cohesion?
Folks like Felix and TWist anon and that anti-semitic weirdo spamming the chad are here because this is the only place that can't say no to them.
>>2418643Sorry, I meant to reply here:
>>2418656 (me)
>>2418688Yeah, that's exactly the shit I'm talking about.
Folks like him aren't earnest revolutionaries, they're misanthropes angry that people aren't on their pearl-clutching wavelength. They are themselves ironically the ultimate examples of the burger mindset they decry. When they find out that most people who do IRL work are normal people with hobbies, they flip out, because they want a den of fellow nihilistic autists. For them revolution is just a way to cleanse the world of the cringe and soy
>>2418689It's wild to me that we destroyed or otherwise harrassed
<Afghanistan<Iraq<Libya<Syria<Somalia<Yemen<Palestine<Pakistanover what 19 guys from
<Saudi Arabia (15)<UAE (2)<Egypt (1)<Lebanon (1)supposedly did while under command of a
<literal CIA asset used against the soviets in Afghanistan, and also the failson of Saudi Real Estate tycoonswhose company was
<literally in a meeting with Bush Sr. (HW) and the Carlyle institute the moment the planes hitnot even to get into all the shit with the asbestos, the insurance fraud, larry silverstein, WTC 7, the pentagon, the missing money, etc.
>>2418698Correct
>>2418691Karl marx said cheap food is bad. So long as the price of corn was higher and wages were also higher, a small saving in the consumption of bread sufficed to procure him other enjoyments. But as soon as bread is very cheap, and wages are therefore very cheap, he can save almost nothing on bread for the purchase of other articles.
>>2418680I actually organize and I have successfully frozen out the "C"PUSA from all the local coalitions because they are insanely reactionary, to the right of the ACP on basically every significant issue.
Once we heard they advocate for a two state solution, they became persona non grata in Portland. I make sure that everyone knows what they actually believe and then let them dig their own graves. The only reason you all tolerate "C"PUSAnon here is that you're even farther right than he is, which is almost hard to believe.
>>2418676I pretty much just stick with my name on here to give people the opportunity to filter if they want. I don’t have to pretend to be third worldists because you’ve got anons doing it on their own.
The thing is there’s a subset of people, like yourself, that want to pretend these people aren’t real, that no one sees them, and will try to present every complaint about them as “you’re whining about nothing”
>>2418711>Once we heard they advocate for a two state solution, they became persona non grata in Portlanddaaamn.
I think the only country that actually supports only one Palestinian state solution currently is Iran.
>>2418740It is. No surprise as third worldists basically do nothing but punch left.
I've got to bring up the "nazi bar" metaphor again. They push people out by their existence and actively try to make whatever space they're in hostile to anyone who isn't them.
>>2418741>Can you really even call them "Zionists" for supporting a two state solution when that's on par with what most Palestinians want? Are Palestinians Zionists now?you have no idea how much I struggle with those questions, lmao.
that's also why I don't share the view that zionists are losing, popularized by some pro-Palestine crowd, just because some milquetoast postures in the west have emerged, or the ICC warrants appeared.
>>2418703nah
>>2418714not what this says
how is this shit not instabanned? this isn't even a tornode troll. what's the excuse?
>>2418763you started off saying
>karl marx says cheap food is badnow you are saying
>americans are pigs who do not deserve cheaper foodwhich is a completely different (but also retarded) arg
>>2418741>>2418757>>2418751>>2418748you know, the other they I had online enragement with Ali Abuminah, I even replied to his posts in 2014
(https://nitter.net/AliAbunimah/status/435805432796299265 I deleted my reply to avoid doxxing myself) where he attacked Norman Finkelstein because Fink correctly pointed out that BDS was crazy to believe that the proposal made by John Kerry
https://www.normanfinkelstein.com/beyond-the-mass-bds-psychosis/ would actually guarantee Palestinians rights. specifically because John Kerry's proposal asked for the de-militarization of Palestine, but will exempt the de-militarization of Israel. ALL of that, despite that Fink is a two-state solution guy. Because at the end of the day, as long the Palestinian state exists without a militarized framework, Israel will fuck it every time they want it.
Now, we are seeing even Abbas for a de-militarization of Palestine…. so by today's standards, Kerry's plan was one-genocide-less reactionary.
Ali Abuminah is the One-state solution crowd in the western left, and of course, he gets obnoxious wherever he sees Fink.
at this point, the debate has become the ultras v. the materialists discourse.
and I think the ultras aren't going to like the future.
>>2418816nah libs go on and on about the founding fathers and how tr*mp is violating their vision, it's not exclusively a rightoid thing
i don't think it has much of a purpose beyond antifascism though
>>2418859That whole history through actors at historical sites thing you do in america is actually one cool thing with you people.
Genuinely looks like a fun day out.
>>2418841That's true. I'm certainly not suggesting we dress up like colonial minutemen. I'm more talking about trying to draw parallels I guess.
>>2418846Yeah that's a possibility I think.
>>2418852I've pretty much thought the same thing.
>>2418816>Could there be any utility in appealing to imagery of the American War of Independence and the bourgeois revolutionno
>or is it too closely associated with reactionary politics todaypulling from the past
is reactionary
>>2418846>american socialists should coopt itWhy? Why try to bring back the "glories" past? That is just falling into reactionary chauvinism of a time when chattel slavery was a way of life, the framework of indigenous genocide was in motion, and only land owning white men could have the only say on anything. This concept only reinforces faith in the capitalist system due to the bourgeois revolution bringing forth liberalism whose iterations are now on its deathbed and the cause of so much suffering.
Socialists should not need to coopt anything because that denotes a backwards past-driven way of looking at the world. We should create new movements not ride in the coattails of movements already relegated to history.
>>2418879>tell that to soviet union larpers thenI agree, one of the biggest problems with the left is that many fetishize past socialist triumphs yet still being a slave to bourgeois thought.
<we must larp as X revolutionary group/party/movement<we must follow these aesthetics in order to win over people (wins over no one)Meanwhile the theoretical knowledge and practical actions of the group is equally as dated as the group they are larping as and deader than each member's love life because who would have thought that making thousands of memes and slogans for dogmatic interpretations of writings of men who died centuries ago would only lead to a cult rather than a mass movement.
>>2418816Your narrow focus on bourgeois heroes just shows you to be disingenuous.
There is a fuck-ton of uniquely American working-class history and culture. You're not an American nationalist because you don't actually care about the American people.
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https://youtu.be/n8Kxq9uFDes-
https://youtu.be/SMRO2H53NqM >>2418931Like I mean really, you want a symbol, pick a symbol representative of the people.
The national anthem of the new union of Turtle Island socialist republics will be something like"Joe Hill" or the Black Panther's "Move on Over or we'll move on over you."
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https://youtu.be/5nCuz4qjTro >>2418927For their sake, when Socialism comes there really needs to be a huge amount of internal spending: more teachers, more schools, more hospitals, more housing, just more of everything. 'Cause the reality is if you've got a society that doesn't give a fuck about you, then it just breeds antisocial behavior.
It wont be an instant fix, but just having a country that goes out of its way to try to lift people out of poverty could have huge knock-on effects for everyone.
>>2418636good, i'm sick of feral "urban" youths too
maybe he'll finally send these useless eaters back to africa
>>2418876I think some appeal to the past may be useful but should not be overdone. Maybe you're right though.
>>2418899This is true. I just feel like connecting socialism to national mythology may have some use. Maybe not American independence though.
>>2418931I said in another post it may be better to appeal more towards America's forgotten labor history, I only thought of American independence because it's probably what Americans first think of when talking about revolutions in America.
>>2418876>pulling from the past is reactionaryhistory is very important. the only salvage thing from the American revolution is to co-opt it in the socialist discourse, but taking aside the reactionaries figures and their speeches. you need to use bourgeoisie tools (history, too) to unite people, not nihilistically reject it, and forge better
past in the future.
>>2418876>Why? Why try to bring back the "glories" past? That is just falling into reactionary chauvinism of a time when chattel slavery was a way of life, the framework of indigenous genocide was in motion, and only land owning white men could have the only say on anything. This concept only reinforces faith in the capitalist system due to the bourgeois revolution bringing forth liberalism whose iterations are now on its deathbed and the cause of so much suffering. You're assuming that the Strasserites here would be opposed to any of that. If someone is alright with feeding every other human being living on earth into a giant Lockheed-Martin meat grinder so they can have a slightly more comfortable life, what makes you think they would have any problem with chattel slavery or a different genocide?
Fundamentally, no one here opposes slavery or genocide, they just oppose slavery and genocide that doesn't benefit them personally. This is why they bitch endlessly about how imperialism doesn't really benefit THEM while simultaneously arguing to continue and sustain imperialism indefinitely.
>>2418931>>2418939I'd like to add, as someone living in Eastern Pennsylvania I'm greatly interested in the Molly Maguires, but I also appreciate other lesser-known aspects of American history such as Silas Soule or the Great Railroad Strike of 1877. I think there's a great deal of left-wing history that has been suppressed and forgotten here and we should try to bring it to people's attention.
Also I'm not a fan of Turtle Island as a name, why not Tortuga or even Turtalia?
>>2419036worst thing is, the suppliers are buying on masse out of desperation from the upcoming tariffs, and that's what's he's talking about.
>TRILLIONS AND TRILLIONS.sure, let's see how much of the US debt is reduced this year, KEEEK
>>2419108What was the incentive at play when 90% of the epstein cover-up defenders online were jews?
The fact is you are low eye cue so you have bad pattern recognition abilities
>>2419180when you have brain damage and think all social power is about ethnic groups, of course it seems that way.
One day you'll understand that reality is bigger than jerking off to your identity!
>>2419226You constantly swap Zionist and Jew the same as Israelis do.
You know the funniest thing? Regardless of Jewish support for Zionism, the vast VAST majority of Zionists are not even Jewish.
>>2419241>>2419247Listen why don't you just start screeching about >"Da J00s!"
and save us the time?
>>2419241Seething about the Jews is probably going to be counterproductive towards your goal because it freaks people out and make them think criticism of Israel is just coming from antisemitism. Also terrorizing the Jews in this country and other countries is counterproductive because either they'll move to Israel or make Israelis more likely to stay in the Middle East squatting on Palestinian land rather than leaving because they will interpret other countries as hostile to Jews. It's not such a secret but a lot of rightists who don't like the Jews are fine with that.
This also goes for the left making "Zionism" the source of the critique rather than what Israel is actually doing to people over there and which is much easier for normies to understand than these ideological arguments.
>>2419074Jesus that's fucked.
>>2419208I genuinely wonder: is there a photo out there of the Israeli PM kneeling and kissing the Pope's ring? Because if all we're getting is Presidents wearing the the hat and touching the wall, yeah I'm gonna say that's fucking weird.
>>2418173How is pres stand
How is pres stand
We need way to instain trump
>>2419590That's the gameplan for pretty much every billionaire at this point. Smash everything, grab what you can, burn everything else down, run for the bunkers.
There is no long term. They want to be the final generation so they can say they won the game.
>>241950615 Saudis
2 UAE
1 Egyptian
1 Lebanese
Led by a Saudi CIA asset and Real Estate Tycoon's Heir
Flew planes into buildings
Therefore time for America to fuck with
Iraq
Afghanistan
Libya
Syria
Somalia
Yemen
And you say this WASN'T fishy?
>>2419339\*Hits bong\*
Israel is the white women of nations.
>>2419699Proof that most mass shooters are just fucking losers tbh
Americans are addicted to murderslop. High volume low quality killing sprees.
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