Any comrades from Utah here?
How do we fix this beyond fucked up state?
The LDS church runs everything here. Nearly every single little detail of the state’s culture is dictated by Mormonism. Mormon temples are the largest buildings in every city and town. Mormon bookstores are more numerous than most other stores, and old school soda shops are more numerous than cafes (Mormons prohibit coffee and tea but allow caffeinated soda for some reason). Multiple buildings, streets, and businesses are named after Mormon things (e.g. “Cumorrah Avenue”). Multi-level marketing companies are everywhere and sponsor things like stadiums (MLM companies are littered with Mormon moms).
The LDS church is basically run like a massive corporation. They are very good at missionizing and making new converts, plus Mormons tend to get married young and have bucketloads of kids. The average Mormon family has between 4-7 children. The point is, the LDS church is highly reactionary and rules over Utah with an iron fist, yet there is almost no internal resistance to it. “Utah” basically is the LDS church. And that’s not even mentioning the entire settler-colonial history of the church either, the mass slaughter of the indigenous that Mormons participated in to create the state of Utah and such.
With that said, how do we deal with this state’s politics if we are socialists living in it? There’s no way someone like AOC or Mamdani or any DSA candidate could ever win here. If there was ever a socialist candidate, they’d either have to ensure the Utah public that they’re a “good Mormon” (which would mean throwing away their principles and participating in a reactionary, settler-colonial theology) or seek to dismantle Utah culture outright by going against the grip of the LDS church, which would be political suicide.
I’m sorry, but I wish this fucking state didn’t exist. Trying to organize anything leftist here feels like a lost cause.
109 posts and 15 image replies omitted.>>2437527Mormonism is just Islam for wipipo
>citation neededboth ban alcohol
>>2472307And their holy books are just Bible fanfictions full of anachronisms.
>>2472311tbf the bible/torah is just fanfic of Canaanite and Greek paganism
>>2469150Whatever it is, it makes them annoying as fuck.
The Utah situation reminds me of how state politics in America are becoming more polarized and how you're paradoxically seeing each state have a more and more defined local culture. You'd think that wouldn't be the case due to the internet and people connecting on a more expansive level but it's not.
Utah is probably the only place in the US where you see white people getting married at age 19 and pumping out four or five kids by the time they're 30. Everywhere else in the US it's only people of colour who have kids at young ages whereas whites don't start breeding until they're much older. Hell, I'm from Massachusetts where arrogant white liberals will insist you shouldn't have kids unless you make $100k a year. It's not unusual to see a 40-something Boston suburbanite yuppie woman with her two little IVF babies bragging about how she waited until she was 41 to start a family because she thought it was wrong to have kids without making a six-figure salary first.
>>2475213>muh birthratesfuck off
>>2437525>Mainline protestants mostly underwater with non-religiousDo people not know what "Mainline Protestant" means?
And before someone says
>"Maybe they just don't like religion!"Then why are the Jews so popular with them?
>>2432994I once considered forming my own cult. Gave it up when I realized that the first steps are, "be charismatic, be willing to spend a lot of time around stupid people, be enough of a psychopath to treat them like mindless cattle."
Doing "Liberation Theology" requires all of that, plus being self-deluded enough to convince yourself that you're doing it for the good of the revolution, and not just for money and sex and everything else that a cult leader usually wants when replacing the old slave morality with his own slave morality.
You essentially have to be an even bigger tool than the atheists who try to lecture Christians on Christian morality.
>>2475213>Utah is probably the only place in the US where you see white people getting married at age 19 I don't think people in Utah do this, neither do PoC.
>>2475669>>2475665Wrong
>t.brazillian who was raised mormon>>2439979 >>2475679Damn, I didn't know they had mormons that far south, I apologize.
>>2483395Who fucking cares
>>2483449/leftypol/ is a Christian board. Jesus was a socialist.
>>2483452jesus was a piece of shit, fuck that guy
>>2483716Is this true? Was the Charlie Kirk killing a psyop? It sure seems like it.
>>2483716My dad works for Mormon Nintendo and he says that Tyler Robinson is an ancient Atlantean who descended to the Earth from the stars.
I think the most fucked up new religious YouTuber I’ve seen was a Hotep who preached a combination of Mormonism, Ethiopian Orthodoxy, and BHI. He claimed the Israelites in the BoM and the original Natives of Turtle Island were Black. He also preached a lot from the Book of Enoch from the Ethiopian Bible.
>>2483900the real Mormon version would be something like
>my dad works for Mormon Nintendo and he says that Tyler Robinson is one of the Three Nephite Apostles who came down to Earth from Kolob >>2483395Mormons become gods and can create universes, thus repeating the same cycle that God is doing to us. God himself was human and achieved divinity by following Mormonism in another world. It's like an infinite scheme with no beginning or end.
>>2479130He was obviously Mormon. For the whole week I’ve been wondering why this fact was not being disclosed, or rather, intentionally obscured by media who was like replacing words in quotes to them to make him sound less Mormon (replacing bishop with “youth pastor”)
>>2486850Perhaps they translate it this way because most people are not familiar with the Church hierarchy. I do the same thing when I talk about them with fellow Brazilians. Maybe Big Mormon bought the media.
>>2486298Mormonism sounds extremely Hegelian.
>>2432932Only a flaming idiot with no understanding of materialist philosophy would claim “Mormons” are the problem. You sound identical to Islamophobes who claim “Muslims” are the problem.
>>2432972>entire crux of the LDS church is settler-colonialism and white supremacy.This is pure essentialism.
>>2483395>catholics are christian but mormons arentwho is deciding this?
>>2493425https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_CreedAlso Mormonism claims certain people are prophets that no other Christian denominations do like Joseph Smith and Mormon himself.
What's stopping you from starting up a Food Not Bombs in SLC, OP?
>>2493425>>2493443The fact this even has to be discussed shows how little American (Protestant) Christians understand about the history of the Church and the Church fathers.
A real shame the Didache wasn't added to the end of the Bible because that would have resolved a lot of this crap. Catholicism and Orthodoxy are the original Church. Everything else is heresy with the Mormons and JWs being the worst offenders.
Mormons aren’t even close to being the worst right-wing Christians. At least Mormons understand what it means to be compassionate. Evangelicals in the Bible Belt are you real enemies, not Mormons.
I've always thought Mormonism was just racial mysticism with Christian tropes tagged on as an afterthought. Mormons remind me a lot of religious Jewish Zionists or Ethiopian nationalists for some reason. I guess all three adhere to the most irrationalist religious nonsense in order to justify colonial and imperialist domination of minorities.
>>2547134What minorities do Mormons dominate? Aren't Indians their chosen people or some shit?
>>2547140Their religion is entirely rooted in white supremacist settler-colonialism. They think the indigenous peoples of Turtle Island are the "bad" Israelites while the "good" Israelites who came to Turtle Island were white and blonde.
>>2432932The Utah question can be easily solved through gerrymandering and land back. Carve the state up with large swaths going to indigenous peoples with the rest being divided between Colorado and Nevada. Problem solved.
>>2547744On the contrary, Utah is a perfect example of why the US needs to be split into 50 unique countries, maybe with a few borders redrawn here and there.
>>2559870>US needs to be split into 50 unique countriesWhat will happen you have 50 different countries with their own armies, nuclear weapons and territorial ambitions?
>>2559870The bigger states would end up eating up the smaller states or the smaller states would need form alliances with other small states to form bigger entities.
Utah is probably the most dead end dead end in the entire country. I'm a student here, and aside from the youth-adult split (which is very pronounced; and sometimes produces 20-something internet 'communists') there's pretty much no base for it.
inside the cities there are of course working class people; but the vast majority of inhabitants here are firmly petit-bourgeoisie, religious suburbanites who aren't even upset enough with the status quo to be far right; let alone far left. Just about the only people who'd take up arms are migrant workers who are reasonably terrified to stir the pot and people under threat of homelessness.
It's an incredibly tight-knit mutual panopticon of shame and obedience. I fully believe that if there was any major civil war shakeup in the US; Utah would be consolidating to revive their cultic state project (Deseret) and engaging in protracted violece against various selected outgroups.
>>2569810>religious suburbanites who aren't even upset enough with the status quo to be far right; let alone far left.We can all blame whiteness for this (never mind the fact that there are plenty of Hispanic, Pinoy, and Polynesian Mormons) but a much more concise explanation is that Mormon society in Utah is super stable to the point where contradictions are basically invisible. Might be because of the fact that the family unit is extremely tight-knit among Mormon families.
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