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Any comrades from Utah here?

How do we fix this beyond fucked up state?

The LDS church runs everything here. Nearly every single little detail of the state’s culture is dictated by Mormonism. Mormon temples are the largest buildings in every city and town. Mormon bookstores are more numerous than most other stores, and old school soda shops are more numerous than cafes (Mormons prohibit coffee and tea but allow caffeinated soda for some reason). Multiple buildings, streets, and businesses are named after Mormon things (e.g. “Cumorrah Avenue”). Multi-level marketing companies are everywhere and sponsor things like stadiums (MLM companies are littered with Mormon moms).

The LDS church is basically run like a massive corporation. They are very good at missionizing and making new converts, plus Mormons tend to get married young and have bucketloads of kids. The average Mormon family has between 4-7 children. The point is, the LDS church is highly reactionary and rules over Utah with an iron fist, yet there is almost no internal resistance to it. “Utah” basically is the LDS church. And that’s not even mentioning the entire settler-colonial history of the church either, the mass slaughter of the indigenous that Mormons participated in to create the state of Utah and such.

With that said, how do we deal with this state’s politics if we are socialists living in it? There’s no way someone like AOC or Mamdani or any DSA candidate could ever win here. If there was ever a socialist candidate, they’d either have to ensure the Utah public that they’re a “good Mormon” (which would mean throwing away their principles and participating in a reactionary, settler-colonial theology) or seek to dismantle Utah culture outright by going against the grip of the LDS church, which would be political suicide.

I’m sorry, but I wish this fucking state didn’t exist. Trying to organize anything leftist here feels like a lost cause.
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>>2475669
>>2475665
Wrong
>t.brazillian who was raised mormon
>>2439979

>>2475679
Damn, I didn't know they had mormons that far south, I apologize.

So apparently Tyler Robinson who killed Charlie Kirk is a MORMON of all things?

Pottery.

Daily reminder Mormons aren't Christians.


>>2483395
Who fucking cares

>>2483449
/leftypol/ is a Christian board. Jesus was a socialist.

>>2483452
jesus was a piece of shit, fuck that guy


>>2483716
Is this true? Was the Charlie Kirk killing a psyop? It sure seems like it.

>>2483716
My dad works for Mormon Nintendo and he says that Tyler Robinson is an ancient Atlantean who descended to the Earth from the stars.

I think the most fucked up new religious YouTuber I’ve seen was a Hotep who preached a combination of Mormonism, Ethiopian Orthodoxy, and BHI. He claimed the Israelites in the BoM and the original Natives of Turtle Island were Black. He also preached a lot from the Book of Enoch from the Ethiopian Bible.

>>2483900
the real Mormon version would be something like
>my dad works for Mormon Nintendo and he says that Tyler Robinson is one of the Three Nephite Apostles who came down to Earth from Kolob

>>2483395
Mormons become gods and can create universes, thus repeating the same cycle that God is doing to us. God himself was human and achieved divinity by following Mormonism in another world. It's like an infinite scheme with no beginning or end.

>>2479130
He was obviously Mormon. For the whole week I’ve been wondering why this fact was not being disclosed, or rather, intentionally obscured by media who was like replacing words in quotes to them to make him sound less Mormon (replacing bishop with “youth pastor”)

>>2486850
Perhaps they translate it this way because most people are not familiar with the Church hierarchy. I do the same thing when I talk about them with fellow Brazilians. Maybe Big Mormon bought the media.

>>2486298
Mormonism sounds extremely Hegelian.

>>2432932
Only a flaming idiot with no understanding of materialist philosophy would claim “Mormons” are the problem. You sound identical to Islamophobes who claim “Muslims” are the problem.

>>2432972
>entire crux of the LDS church is settler-colonialism and white supremacy.
This is pure essentialism.


>>2493101
But it's true.

>>2483395
>catholics are christian but mormons arent
who is deciding this?

MASS SHOOTING AT MORMON CHURCH.

What's stopping you from starting up a Food Not Bombs in SLC, OP?

>>2493425
>>2493443
The fact this even has to be discussed shows how little American (Protestant) Christians understand about the history of the Church and the Church fathers.

A real shame the Didache wasn't added to the end of the Bible because that would have resolved a lot of this crap. Catholicism and Orthodoxy are the original Church. Everything else is heresy with the Mormons and JWs being the worst offenders.

Mormons aren’t even close to being the worst right-wing Christians. At least Mormons understand what it means to be compassionate. Evangelicals in the Bible Belt are you real enemies, not Mormons.

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I've always thought Mormonism was just racial mysticism with Christian tropes tagged on as an afterthought. Mormons remind me a lot of religious Jewish Zionists or Ethiopian nationalists for some reason. I guess all three adhere to the most irrationalist religious nonsense in order to justify colonial and imperialist domination of minorities.

>>2547134
What minorities do Mormons dominate? Aren't Indians their chosen people or some shit?

>>2547140
Their religion is entirely rooted in white supremacist settler-colonialism. They think the indigenous peoples of Turtle Island are the "bad" Israelites while the "good" Israelites who came to Turtle Island were white and blonde.

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>>2547146
>>2547140
>he doesn't know about the indigenous tribes displaced by Mormon colonization
>he doesn't know that Brigham Young instituted the enslavement of Native Americans in Utah in 1852
>perhaps he knows about the reform the Church underwent in 1978.
>he doesn't know about the Mormon tour guides in Central America who falsify the history of colonized peoples.

>>2432932
The Utah question can be easily solved through gerrymandering and land back. Carve the state up with large swaths going to indigenous peoples with the rest being divided between Colorado and Nevada. Problem solved.

>>2547744
On the contrary, Utah is a perfect example of why the US needs to be split into 50 unique countries, maybe with a few borders redrawn here and there.

>>2559870
>US needs to be split into 50 unique countries
What will happen you have 50 different countries with their own armies, nuclear weapons and territorial ambitions?

>>2559870
The bigger states would end up eating up the smaller states or the smaller states would need form alliances with other small states to form bigger entities.

Utah is probably the most dead end dead end in the entire country. I'm a student here, and aside from the youth-adult split (which is very pronounced; and sometimes produces 20-something internet 'communists') there's pretty much no base for it.

inside the cities there are of course working class people; but the vast majority of inhabitants here are firmly petit-bourgeoisie, religious suburbanites who aren't even upset enough with the status quo to be far right; let alone far left. Just about the only people who'd take up arms are migrant workers who are reasonably terrified to stir the pot and people under threat of homelessness.

It's an incredibly tight-knit mutual panopticon of shame and obedience. I fully believe that if there was any major civil war shakeup in the US; Utah would be consolidating to revive their cultic state project (Deseret) and engaging in protracted violece against various selected outgroups.

>>2569810
>religious suburbanites who aren't even upset enough with the status quo to be far right; let alone far left.

We can all blame whiteness for this (never mind the fact that there are plenty of Hispanic, Pinoy, and Polynesian Mormons) but a much more concise explanation is that Mormon society in Utah is super stable to the point where contradictions are basically invisible. Might be because of the fact that the family unit is extremely tight-knit among Mormon families.

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>>2559889
>What will happen you have 50 different countries with their own armies, nuclear weapons and territorial ambitions?
Who cares? they wont have the capability to bother the rest of us outside of N.Amerikkka any longer.

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I refuse to set a single foot in that state. I once flew to San Francisco from Cleveland and flew over Salt Lake City and I swear I felt a chill down my spine.

>>2434024
Lived here for a long time; in various parts of the state. What you're seeing is cognitive dissonance on a mass scale.

Mormons have historically been an extremely tight-knit society that was bound by religion and settler ideology. For the most part, this is still the case; but the slow wane absolutely terrifies these people. I get the sense that there are significant family tensions here.

The shell is usually held up by an aggressively harsh work culture and mutual self-checking. Behind the pristine walls of classic american suburbia; families yell at each other, parents drink or abuse prescriptions, and the kids are often far more diverse and progressive owing to the internet; which leaves parents in this weird and uncomfortable daze; despondent to anything really going on. Church is a 3 hour patience ritual. The number one hobby of the mormon is to stare at minorities and anyone who doesn't dress like they eat quaker oats every morning; the silent judgement is incredibly grating. It's the kind of place where overworked fathers will hop in the car and drive for hours to avoid yelling when they get home.

Regionally, it varies. I was pretty young at the time but there are places in Lehi, for example, where thousands live right next to a potentially toxic quarry without a shred of complaint. They build strip malls and movie theaters on land that'll be damn near apocalyptic soon, given the situation with the great salt lake drying out, and the lakebed putting heavy metal particulates into the air. If you tell them about this, it'll always be the same drivel response about how god has a plan for them; tacitly dismissing god's inaction for others. Mormons think they're special. The only hint of honest interaction is through some of the older people there; who are largely coping with mortality.

The least religious part of the state would be Park City. Park City is the Haute Bourgeoisie to the Petit Bourgeoisie of the rest of the state. It hosts the largest ski resort in the country, gated communities, and regularly draws in lavishly rich patrons, who are all total fucking assholes. Jeffery Epstein owned 5200 acres near the highway leading into town. It seems like the city is kind of meant to be a secret shared amongst the ultrawealthy; and it's definitely very different from the rest of the state. Honestly, it is probably where class divisions are most clear; because there's a significant but hidden minority of poor migrant workers who do most of the upkeep in the region, as well as neighboring cities experiencing deep, deep poverty. The city is zoned so as to put them out of sight; but it's real. On top of that, there's a major drug problem and even a fascism problem - mostly because the children of these highly wealthy, highly neoliberal financiers and celebrities would rather be anything else; and of course it would be against their interests to be aware of class. Absent, wine-tasting bohemian parents seem to be very common.

Utah County (provo, orem) is actually fairly progressive. Of course by this I mean that it's infested with petit-bourgeoisie anarchists; but it's a step up. There's a rivalry between its two colleges, BYU and UVU (where charlie kirk got slimed). BYU is highly conservative, sometimes even hosting deznats (deseret nationalists), while the staff stalks people after graduation, withholding transcripts for anyone who turns out gay or trans. Meanwhile UVU is one of the most minority friendly and arts-oriented schools in the state, specifically in opposition to BYU. The two schools are about 10 minutes away from each other. It leads to a weird dynamic of trans people in punk jackets regularly coming into contact with mini hitlers coming up from bumfuck nowhere central utah.

Southern Utah is a lot like the mormon parts of the state, but because of proximity to Vegas and the fact that people pass through often; they're a lot more aggressive. Tons of preppers who have plan and intent to block off people from vegas, should an apocalyptic situation occur; dozens of gun stores all across the area and more than a few white nationalist militias. Alongside this is a faction of zionists, motivated by mormon doctrine on the state of israel. I was at a play in St George once, and there was a part where Joseph (from the bible, keep up) started talking about how his people need 'land of their own' and I shit you not, the entire theater stood to cheer, without even a hesitation or break for them to do so. It lasted at least 30 seconds and was absolutely fucking surreal. This was after palestine had been under siege for at least 4 to 6 months, as well.

altogether the place is fucking insane.

TL;DR: Utah is like Isn'treal, but if they chilled out for a few generations and forgot how to be hitler; instead replacing it with the malaise of an invented history.

>>2570299 also, just a funny story - i know someone who used to work as a waitress in park city. Apparently, there's a fancy restaurant in a gated community that uses instant ramen and heavily implies that it's an original recipe; and the clients absolutely love and praise it more than anything else on the menu. Which is awesome.

>>2570314 by instant ramen i mean like cheap grocery store shit

>>2570299
Thoughts on cedar City and Ogden?

>>2570299
What do you think the solution is?

>>2570365
i've been to cedar and ogden but i don't know a lot; just that cedar is very much centered around its stageplay industry and ogden i've only really passed through going to Eden. Both of them seem a lot more normal than the rest of the state but that might just be from an outside perspective. Cedar seems a little bit like Moab in the sense that there are more laid back and accepting people than elsewhere.

There's also places in the middle of nowhere like nephi or mona that seem to have the same kind of evangelical, dying-town culture as the other midwest states.

>>2570432
Hell if i know lmao, it seems pretty far out of our control unless the church fucks up and disillusions people somehow

>>2570524
So, defeatism?

Joe Hill didn't even want his ashes sent to Utah. Shithole state.

Literally move out and come back as part of Red Army, then send them all to religger labor camps until they change or get worked to death or whatever.


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