Any comrades from Utah here?
How do we fix this beyond fucked up state?
The LDS church runs everything here. Nearly every single little detail of the state’s culture is dictated by Mormonism. Mormon temples are the largest buildings in every city and town. Mormon bookstores are more numerous than most other stores, and old school soda shops are more numerous than cafes (Mormons prohibit coffee and tea but allow caffeinated soda for some reason). Multiple buildings, streets, and businesses are named after Mormon things (e.g. “Cumorrah Avenue”). Multi-level marketing companies are everywhere and sponsor things like stadiums (MLM companies are littered with Mormon moms).
The LDS church is basically run like a massive corporation. They are very good at missionizing and making new converts, plus Mormons tend to get married young and have bucketloads of kids. The average Mormon family has between 4-7 children. The point is, the LDS church is highly reactionary and rules over Utah with an iron fist, yet there is almost no internal resistance to it. “Utah” basically is the LDS church. And that’s not even mentioning the entire settler-colonial history of the church either, the mass slaughter of the indigenous that Mormons participated in to create the state of Utah and such.
With that said, how do we deal with this state’s politics if we are socialists living in it? There’s no way someone like AOC or Mamdani or any DSA candidate could ever win here. If there was ever a socialist candidate, they’d either have to ensure the Utah public that they’re a “good Mormon” (which would mean throwing away their principles and participating in a reactionary, settler-colonial theology) or seek to dismantle Utah culture outright by going against the grip of the LDS church, which would be political suicide.
I’m sorry, but I wish this fucking state didn’t exist. Trying to organize anything leftist here feels like a lost cause.
95 posts and 13 image replies omitted.>>2466039I don't know what spanky is on about, but I do fucking hate those "exmormon" people, and for that matter "exchristian" and "exmuslim" too. It's like their entire identity revolved around religion and rather than simply abandoning it like a normal person, they just inverted their identity to revolve around
formerly being religious.
>>2467705lol you never lived in a place where you had to ACTIVELY fight against that religion. While i can see the reasoning with exchristians, with exmuslims have to actively fight against the religion, not everywhere is a free and properly secular country like USA.
For example as a pagan, despite living in a country that is secular in the name, i HAVE to fight against the islamic establishment since it has the tendency to slowly poison our instutions
>>2467772>as a paganlibshit detected, opinion discarded
i fight religion every day,
with materialismnot some horseshit "good vs evil" liberialism.
>>2437527Mormonism is just Islam for wipipo
>citation neededboth ban alcohol
>>2437525>Mainline protestants mostly underwater with non-religiousDo people not know what "Mainline Protestant" means?
And before someone says
>"Maybe they just don't like religion!"Then why are the Jews so popular with them?
>>2432994I once considered forming my own cult. Gave it up when I realized that the first steps are, "be charismatic, be willing to spend a lot of time around stupid people, be enough of a psychopath to treat them like mindless cattle."
Doing "Liberation Theology" requires all of that, plus being self-deluded enough to convince yourself that you're doing it for the good of the revolution, and not just for money and sex and everything else that a cult leader usually wants when replacing the old slave morality with his own slave morality.
You essentially have to be an even bigger tool than the atheists who try to lecture Christians on Christian morality.
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