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>>2435944FRIENDLY REMINDER TO FILTER GLOWTARDS >>2437205zhao dashuai my waifu
do you think i have a chance with her if i move to china or does she hate whiteys?
>>2437225>you know what he meansyeah that theyre a retard who can only speak using liberal conflations
>>2437227xD
>>2437246>>2437247Get a job loser. Anyway I already posted a Marx quote succinctly explaining why you're retarded
>>2437239, why waste even more time with such retardation.
>>2437270You say that but pretty much all of asia has a deep lust for white men for some reason. The Chinese government doesn't seem to mind because bringing Americans over is good PR even if it makes Chinese incels mad.
Being a non-white American is awful though I went to Japan and the women don't even look at you if you're not asian or white. China probably isn't any better.
>>2437276Fair, the Chinese woman
YOU WOULD WANT (ie a patriot and a communist) would never want you, and frankly I imagine it would be the same in Cuba, Korea, Laos, or Vietnam
>>2437283where the
asian black girls at
>>2437281Don't listen to anyone here. I've seen asian men and women offering up wives/gfs to anyone that goes there and learns the language. White men will always try to bogart the worlds pussy supply to make up for their own short comings.
>>2437276>JapanI bet you went to a real affluent city somewhere there. You probably went to moony central or something. Or you're intensely ugly.
>>2437335I think most third worldists understand, at some basic level, that compromises are needed to achieve some result. The iranian theocracy is not the best, same with Putin, but the alternatives (libshit compradors) are much worse so we have to do by with what we got.
It is very crazy how all this went to the wind the moment China enters the equation. Everyone is trying to tell these guys that no, China can't just sanction things randomly because the entire shtick of Chinese alternative to the US is that China won't interfere in shit going on outside of its border, which sucks but is much better than the alternative (America invading everyone in the name of liberal humanism). It is insane how people are purposefully not getting this
>>2437350>i think listening to multipolarista drivel liberal scratched
>negatively polarizes me into being a liberal interventionistfascist bleeding
>>2437342Then you’re arguing China isn’t socialist or communist in intent or actions?
>>2437340I have to disagree here chief. Don’t think compromise is in their dictionary. Like they put themselves forward by being abrasive and deliberately uncompromising—they’ll do shit like loudly proclaim that every first worlder needs to die, despite such a platform being deeply unpopular and only results in making enemies, and if you point that out to them they declare you’re a Nazi. What you think is a compromise (eg tolerance for an Iranian theocracy) really isn’t because the fundamental dichotomy that drives them is a hatred for the first world. It doesn’t matter if some third world state is fascist or not, as long as that’s directed against the interests of the first world. That’s not a compromise, that’s simply ruthlessly pursuing your true ideological aims.
Like the only problem they had with ISIS is who they worked for, not what they did. Any action is judged solely on the basis of whatever group is doing it, not the action itself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-sR38QGgHQmore behind the scenes on the lobbying for the UAP Disclosure Act and private military contractor competition for control of Non-Human Intelligence reverse engineered technologies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShoUyC1aip0also new whistleblower Roderick Castle goes public of his encounter with dozens of American black operators tailing a black triangular craft using exotic propulsion in a California desert
>>2437350The best revenge is to stick around long enough for these freaks to be completely isolated and alienated from the wider movement. Helps that the things they consider insanely offensive and vile are basically normal and inoffensive takes to most of humanity.
Like if you think about it, I think it comes down to whether you can express your ideals to your friends and family and coworkers, and still have them see you as good person. If the truth would make them think you’re crazy and want to get away from you, then you’d be a third worldist.
>>2437376> "we shouldn't intervene to stop a genocide occurring"made up shit nobody said award
gave the conversation a context it didn't have award
>>2437374People really need to interpret hypotheticals and abstract speech better. He said that multipolar types negatively polarize him towards liberal interventionism—as in they make liberal interventionism look appealing by their own abrasive attitudes and dumb takes. A good example would be those vaguely progressive types/Trots that supported ISIS as some “anti-colonial struggle”. Yeah they’re reintroducing slavery and killing peoples in inhumane ways, but “muh anticolonial struggle” and if you say they’re bad they’ll screech that you’re a fascist.
I think you’ve got to be pretty uncharitable to interpret that as “I am now a liberal interventionist”
>>2437389>He said that multipolar types negatively polarize him towards liberal interventionismI get not liking the bad faith "kill all burger babies for the sins of their forefathers" bullshit but now you're beyond the pale complaining about "multpolaristas" calling the US government what it is: reactionary and imperialist. If that kind of "multipolarista" rhetoric makes you want to be a "liberal interventionist" then maybe that's what was inside you all along.
>A good example would be those vaguely progressive types/Trots that supported ISIS as some “anti-colonial struggle”.liberal interventionists supported ISIS actually
>Yeah they’re reintroducing slavery and killing peoples in inhumane ways, but “muh anticolonial struggle” and if you say they’re bad they’ll screech that you’re a fascist.not what actually happened. it was liberal interventionists who supported ISIS. you're rewriting history here.
>I think you’ve got to be pretty uncharitable to interpret that as “I am now a liberal interventionist”"ooooooooh you america hating ziggers make me so mad i wanna transform into hillary clinton and rape gaddafi in the ass with a bayonet" is not as clever an argument as you think it is
>>2437396There was a literal Trotskyist org supporting ISIS as an anti colonial struggle, now while I’m sure you’re inclined to say that dumb take is actually cause they’re working directly under the Pentagon, but I tend to assume ignorance over malice. If you see takes that dumb, it tends to make the other side (who is smart enough to stay mum on these things and feign opposition to ISIS) look reasonable by comparison.
Since you pushed back on the “kill western babies” nonsense I’m inclined to believe I’m not getting your full point of view; so please, as honestly as you can, would you care to explain what you and the other anon are arguing about, and please try to be charitable to his points too.
>>2437357>dictatorships and theocracies and genocidal ethnostates Contrapoints radlibs will use every word except "capitalism" lmao
>>2437395>Israel is decidedly illiberal,colonialist enslavement and theft of land and resources = primitive accumulation (?) stage of capitalism
>>2437429I'll be honest I'd probably be extremely easy to groom into doing something like this if a cute girl coerced me into it or indicated she'd find me cool for doing so.
I wish sexy Chinese spies were real…
Alas my own willpower is not enough as I'm content to watch the slow collapse of America from the sidelines with no real personal incentive to get involved since it's not my problem + I have an escape plan + maybe America deserves the chudpocalypse.
>>2437439What's the question mark for? That is what primitive accumulation is (one example at least). It's not really a
stage in a temporal sense though, you can do it alongside other processes of capital accumulation. It's just something that has to happen to get at least some capital to begin with. So like in England when they fenced in all the common land to parcel it out for the new bourgeois order, that's primitive accumulation. But also later once capitalism is already developed, taking colonies is also primitive accumulation.
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>>2437454>US was not in any way coerced into becoming Israel's dog. true
>it always was.false. israel didn't exist as a nation before 1948 and US was more ambivalent towards Israel until the 60s. That leaves 1776-1948 as the unambiguous years where America did everything, good or bad, for itself.
>>2437454>zog can't really be argued against>Israel's doglmfao absolute state of leftoidpol
without america israel wouldnt even exist
>>2437481To add some more context, a lot of these military weapons that are tested in the U.S., you go out there and watch the military test them, there will be Israelis there. Because the weapon has an Israeli component in it. Something they manufacture goes in that weapon.
Look at these companies. Not just Israel it but American. Go to their websites and look at where they have offices and locations. You'll see California, Maryland, Florida, and Israel. Or Saudi Arabia.
>>2437414Okay, so it seems to me that what we’re getting at is crossed definitions and perhaps too many assumptions of each other—it’s easy on the internet to mistake some websites as monolithic, such that we assume one person’s position is the same as another. It could be the anon genuinely thinks of multipolarists as kind of like those “kill western babies” types, or as cynics who’ll tolerate fascism dependent on how anti western the fascist state is.
Now I’m as guilty of that as anyone. On the other hand, I think it’s easy to take these hyperbolic statements said in anger as a serious expression of political belief; liberal interventionism, especially in the case of the Iraq and Afghan wars, has been a total calamity that harmed one too many people. I think if asked, the anon who made the liberal interventionism comment would say of course he finds Abu Ghraib horrifying, and that the wars this country waged have been anti-human disasters. However out of frustration or anger the anon said something kind of ridiculous, akin to someone calling a strict boss “Hitler”.
Honestly I think there’s no fault here, just miscommunication.
>>2437483>Jews and Palestinianswell prior to the collapse of the ottoman empire, Jews, Christians, and Muslims did live together in
relative peace in Ottoman Palestine, albeit under Ottoman Muslim control. Nobody thinks Zionist settlers weren't violent until their American sponsors showed up, it was just that their violence increased in intensity, scope, and ambition when they received American sponsorship, because having access to American weapons and tech made zionist goals a lot easier to carry out. Obviously we know about the Nakba and shit on here. You have to greentext stuff nobody said to "win" a fake fight nobody's having.
>>2437491>there are people who believe israel is an american military base and there's nothing more to the situation.That's an oversimplification. Obviously Israel is a sovereign country that receives sponsorship from American imperialists, but there's also a large zionist lobby influencing the US government, which is full of both Christian Evangelical and Jewish zionists.
>that any purported israeli national interests are merely a cloak for american imperial interests.both american and israeli imperialist interests are just capitalist imperialism. yes there are idpol concerns mixed in, as there always has been. The Israelis are undoubtedly Jewish supremacists. That is the mode of expression their capitalist imperialism takes on.
>that israel has no autonomy or ability to influence american politics.Israel obviously does have autonomy and does influence American politics. But Americans have the collective ability to reject this bribery. The Palestinians fight for their lives against Zionism every day, but Americans who talk about ZOG need to realize that the way in which the American government is zionist is not the same way in which the Israeli government is zionist. American children are not getting bombed in their daycares by zionists. Not yet at least. There's a lot less risk for us fighting zionism and yet we seem to be doing way less than the Palestinians are doing, despite being some of the most armed and well fed people in human history. Maybe our comfort is why we refuse to act?
>that america just happened to need to kill 2 million palestinians that just happened to live on land that israeli settlers wantedThey didn't "just happen" to do it. Donald Trump for example is a Christian Zionist. Why does he support Israel? Because he wants his Jewish son in law to buy up all the destroyed land in Gaza so he can make money there. So there is personal interests American capitalists are taking in zionist ethnic cleansing that are not mutually exclusive with their zionism, but also take on a seflish and capitalist character.
>>2437491>that any purported israeli national interests are merely a cloak for american imperial interests. that israel has no autonomy or ability to influence american politics.Well yeah, I don't believe Israel is just being an American colony is totally accurate. Israel has its own interests and they are not necessarily the same as "American interests." (Or the interests of the American establishment to be more precise.) They can align, but they diverge as well. I think the U.S. and Israel are at odds over Syria at the moment. Bibi definitely tries to influence American politics and push it in his direction.
Anyways, I'd encourage people to really look at the military industry side of things. Just an example, the Israelis designed the rotating nacelles of the U.S. military's future VTOL helicopter/plane. You can pull up endless examples of this kind of stuff. And a lot of manufacturing jobs. There's a huge industry around making weapons and people who make money on arms sales, and the jobs involved are spread out across many congressional districts (by design).
>>2437422:DD
There are many artists/public personalities that are pro-palestine "stand with palestine" but she's a whole different animal
>>2437340Yeah, it's like, to stay with the metaphor "everyone else has to shoot themselves in the foot, then I might, might consider stopping my raping and pillaging the whole world"
Then they get angry when we tell em "no".
You are not the protagonist.
We can do this the easy way or the hard way, either way it will end in the same place. It is a matter of your "cooperation" but the whole world does not
exist for youYou are a billion max.
You may have the power to end the world but beyond that? Beyond ultimate catastrophe, we all already know the development of the next decades.
There is no charitable "interpretation", you are either stupid or malicious
[Note: at a certain point I couldn't slog through this namefags posts no more, this is an incomplete picture
But it is more a general reply to west-chauvinist tendency
abridged/modified for USpol (I know you folk don't like reading]
>—they’ll do shit like loudly proclaim that every first worlder needs to die
I promised not to do that for a couple hours more
So uh watch this space. Like beyond that, this is weak. Are you a baby?
Oh no hatred, whatever will I do, so mean
>Me sowing, me reaping
>Surprised pikachu
CPKKK (Or KKKUSA)has taken a wrong turn somewhere or several, yea
Like what do you want (Really, ask yourself)? on one hand "just stop trading with the entity"
Putting aside the practicality, where does that get you?
To be consistent, yea, you would actually have to "cease trade" with Amerikkka, as it is the Greater Satan
Like this is baby shit. And what happens then, eh?
At minimum it will crash the world economy like never before, fuck
If no one presses the funny button. But fuck I guess you really like gambling.
Put it all on RED baybee
So again, should there be maximum pressure on the US and their hangers-on or shouldn't there be? Sanction Israel but not THE VERY REASON ISRAEL EXISTS IN THE FIRST PLACE
doesn't that seem inconsistent at minimum
>>2437503It's
compliant, burger-kun
they are a compliant client
>>2437574I am happy with JDPON Don anyway. what is bad for the US is good for the world.
I am generalizing etc.
Doesn't matter, you are complicit cause you do fuck all to end it
You may not be the guy making policy or boots on the ground, I still make you partially responsible (yes inaction is a form of action; or refusal to act: the act of refusing)
Not that it matters who is "responsible", ultimately
Remember also, you don't get what you fucking deserve, you get what you get.
Life's unfair.
So when I say something like "you'll get yours", I already know it's not gonna happen, not in any way like "justice for the victims of amerikkkan NATO imperialism"
It is just the march of history.
But yes, strictly speaking, the whole rest of the world bears
some amount of responsibility cause they ain't doing enough.
>>2437576Damn it anon, I can't believe you've done this.
>>2437577At this point I just read these posts as parody and they're hilarious.
>>2437579Lot of absurd assumptions here.
>But yes, strictly speaking, the whole rest of the world bears some amount of responsibility cause they ain't doing enough.If this is an admission of "guilt" on your part though, I'll take it.
>>2437586Does the CIA pay you, or do you do it for free?
>rest of the world bears some amount of responsibility To expand a bit.
Sorry, you would know that if you had contact with actual or regular "anti-imperialists". Example, I have heard some old(-ish) person complaining bitterly about the Ummah repeatedly now. The arab states are generally regarded as total traitor states, nothing more. Like, it is known. From this I can tell, well, you are just on the internet too much, aren't you?
>>2437586Mehh
Nothing ever is truly binary.
Get enlightened, uygha
solve your problems
Beyond that, we already established over the last two threads or so, legality or validity does not matter. It's a smokescreen. Might makes right.
This is the jungle Bitch. Take yo sensitive ass back to some communist fantasy land
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And how is it "absurd", do expand, my WeSStoid Krakkker frenemy
Oh another joker. No, foreign policy in general (and policy vis-a-vis fucking Israel in
particular) does not change with the mean, poopoo head repubs and the soft (brained) dems.
Get real, maybe?
>>2437615Top 10% of Americans do over 50% of the spending. Nearly 10% of Americans, not including homeless people, don't even have access to clean, running water.
You don't know shit.
>>2437619>Nearly 10% of Americans, not including homeless people, don't even have access to clean, running waterSorry but that is hilarious
You used to rule the world, you know, undisputed.
>>2437619I know all these things already, we all know basically everything about america because your country rules the world
It is you my amerilard friend, who doesn't know shit
>>2437636Ok~
Maybe a little
>>2437693trolling the libs
or
dunginist Christians who still believe in wait for trump
>>2437615>Not everyone cares about the feefees of americans. Go overthrow your government already. People are just desperate for you people to take action against these fucking demons who slaughter people by the millions for a couple a bucks. Americans being well off didn't help, so maybe being put in the pressure cooker for a while will be more beneficial to that endSpeaking purely on the merits of the idea and not on "feefees" or whatever, idk if this pressure cooker theory is true necessarily. people certainly get more
desperate in the pressure cooker, but do they get more
effective? We know from history that well-fed, well-educated, well-organized working class with collective reserves can last longer during a strike, for example, than people with nothing. Will the American underclass, scattered, disorganized, and alienated become more
desperate? Yes! Will they become more
effective? Maybe not…
>>2437715Admittedly Trump is probably the least warmonger president we've had in decades.
If Harris were in charge we'd 100% be at war with Iran rn.
>>2437801Actually no you don’t have to hand it to a genocidal warmongering CIA puppet just because his childish insolence that he brings with him everywhere happens to annoy the heckin Orange Man.
Jesus Christ the liberal infestation is out of control
>>2437857you are so based
>>2437867same actually
>>2437396My man, you’re talking to someone who, in a previous post, wrote “People really need to interpret hypotheticals and abstract speech better,” yet he clearly doesn’t practice what he preaches. Our conversation is still up on /ISG/, and to this day he hasn’t answered the question I posed; instead he deflected to grammar. Yes — the little bitch ran off to cry, “Speak English.”
That's the kind of shit you are dealing with.
>>2437881 (me)
I would love for it be real tho
>>2437896 (me)
And with a huge cock preferably.
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Zelensky's outfit became an issue ahead of his previous Oval Office meeting with Trump in March, which exploded into a diplomatic fiasco.
Some U.S. officials thought at the time that the suit issue contributed somewhat to the disastrous outcome of the meeting.
The sources said Zelensky will show up at the White House on Monday wearing the same black jacket he wore to a NATO summit in the Netherlands in June. "It is going to be 'suit-style' but not a full suit," one of the sources said.
One Trump adviser, partially in jest, told Axios that "it would be a good sign for peace" if Zelensky wore a suit on Monday, but added: "We don't expect him to do it."
Asked if the summit will be a repeat of the last time, the adviser said, "No, absolutely not."
"They've traveled very, very far, both of them. Zelensky will not show him pictures of dead children and then act like it's somehow his fault.
The president has learned to just sort of like, you know, file away any irritations and go forward." Zelensky will also have European leaders alongside him as well, the adviser said, "so it will be a very different complexion than the last meeting."
https://www.axios.com/2025/08/18/trump-zelensky-summit-suit-jacket>>2437955>Sadly, the woman I briefly dated is not alone in her beliefs. In a survey of over 1,000 women, conducted by Glamour in 2016, 63% of women said they wouldn’t date a man who’s had sex with another man. (This isn’t just men who identify as bi. This includes all men who’ve experimented with another man, even if it only happened once!) Still, 47% of women said they've been attracted to another woman, and 31% of women have had a sexual experience with another woman.The double standard is fucking insane btw
The greatest impedance against male bisexuality is straight women not porn or the patriarchy
>>2438088>woooooooooooooshretard
do I really have to explain it for you?
Yes, hinkle is a retard glowie fed and still does a better job than spenser faggot.
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>>2438098What savings lol
>>2438097theres a bitcoin atm at the corner store
>>2438096Omfg this cannot be less fucking relevant. burgerville is so fucking
retarded.
>>2438103don't listen to
>>2438106 . go all in.
>>2438116Nah it's just political optics. Do all the worst shit in the first year and people "forget about it" by the time midterms come around.
That's assuming the GOP plans to hold elections anyway, and right now I'd consider it like 50/50 odds they just suspend elections forever and Americans just deal with it.
>>2438120The modern military isn't really built for domestic warfare. There's a lotta factors that would probably make a civil war last years if it isn't settled in the first 24 hrs. Stuff like America's military supply lines being entirely dependent on the imperial core being immune to attack/sabotage, many urban centers being incredibly difficult to occupy due to being very very spread out, and the nearly every state having a fairly vast wilderness of unpopulated land from which an insurgency would be easy to stage.
>>2438129This is probably what would happen just bc I don't count on blue state leaders having a spine. But if it came to blows the American military is a bit too specialized towards foreign wars and might actually struggle for the first 2-3 years until they adapt.
>>2438134If anything I'd say the best chance the left has is if a broad antifascist coalition forms around some other large metro area like Chicago or Detroit, forcing the feds to respond and spread themselves thin as spontaneous copycat uprisings start erupting all around the country.
Why would you stage an uprising in the most heavily militarized area in the country at the moment? Take advantage of your enemy's weaknesses instead.
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Pamela Wilson Federspiel, who has been director of the library in downtown Shelbyville for 34 years, says the action is tantamount to “stealing.”
But three leaders of the Reformation Church of Shelbyville defend what they call an “act of civil disobedience.”
https://kentuckylantern.com/2025/08/18/theft-or-civil-disobedience/WASHINGTON, Aug 18 (Reuters) - The White House has dispatched social media teams alongside FBI agents executing arrest warrants in the nation's capital to generate videos that promote U.S. President Donald Trump's crackdown on crime in the District of Columbia, according to two people briefed on the matter.
The highly unusual arrangement runs afoul of longstanding Justice Department norms which seek to insulate criminal investigations from political influence.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/white-house-sending-social-media-teams-with-fbi-some-arrests-dc-sources-say-2025-08-18/THE INTERIM US ATTORNEY FOR NEVADA RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT PROSECUTING TOM ALEXANDROVICH IS ‘SIGAL CHATTAH’ AN ISRAELI BORN CITIZEN
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>>2438219Well, this fucking psycho is really angry so that means things are going "right", you know considering.
Beyond that, I have no idea what the fuck is going on.
>>2438272They like his douchebag energy. It's not gay to vote for Gavin because he's so heterosexual, he doesn't feel embarrassed going to Pride, he's just that confident.
>>2438273Held up surprisingly well
>>2438286Yeah.
I just looked up this split with the Groypers for Gavin.
>Gavin only cares about power, I can't vote for thatI thought this Raw Egg guy was supposed to be a fascist.
>>2438265>>2438268Is there a way to show support?
I was thinking of sending her a letter
>>2438312I think she'd be a nice lady if it wasn't for the virulent racism (or whatever it is the Fratelli stand for. I know two things about Italia: they at least know how to cook and it's a perpetual shitshow. And I don't think I need to know more either)
Or I am down bad.
>>2438265Bear in mind that the Zionist goals are not security for jews, but the opposite, in order to send as many of them as possible to Israel. They need the numbers to grow the Israeli ethnostate out of.
The point of these things is to create a backlash.
>>2438285>Only about 30% of American workers fit this definitionHow do you reckon this. Do publicly available free economic statistics even reliably contain such data? I know one anon spams stuff from FRED but I've always been dubious about the reliability of such statistics.
One thing I've noticed about home ownership in particular is that home ownership in the USA is defined not as having paid off the home, but as simply having taken out a mortgage. Which means that people who are still paying mortgage (which means they can miss a payment, default, lose the house) are defined as "home owners"
And we often speak of "reserves" based on what's in someone's bank account but a lot of people I know might have, for example, $3000 in the bank account, but be $50,000 in debt.
>>2438360Felix: only 30% of burgers are proles
Some other anon: 4% actually
damn. can we get this number lower?
>>2438361I've expended all other sources of cute women
</soc/ is just bots and cuck fetishists</r9k/ is a sausagefest<anime discords are full of underage jailbait<vtuber discords are full of married women for some reason<reddit women are all either trying to sell you porn or extreme chudded "feminists" that will cancel you for watching the wrong kind of animeIt was either this or I go outside and that's not happening bro.
>>2438371or you can download tinder/some other app and talk to women, dumbass
hello??
>>2438374Have you ever actually been on tinder or any of those other apps? Because no one that's used them would ever claim you can talk to women on them, lol.
>>2438375Exactly. I have zero interest in women under the age of like, 25. Let alone teenagers lmao. Jailbait servers are useless if the bait's no good.
>>2438371>It was either this or I go outsideThere’s a third option: give up
>>2438374Dating apps are accursed technological dead ends for any sort of romance or even hook ups. Abandon all hope in their utility, for their creators care more for making profit than being techno Cupid.
>>2438379>>2438374>>2438378dating apps are horrible and sanity-threatening but they are not entirely ineffective, ive dated a few girls i met on them and went on a few dates that didnt go anywhere. you just need to go in with appropriately low expectations and understand that it is an awful game where you are at a disadvantage
listen i deeply hate that it is the case and i try to avoid using them whenever possible, but if youre a young person trying to date it is one of the major options and shouldnt write it off entirely. all things considered its not THAT much worse than the standard for casual dating before that which was mostly trying to find hookups at shitty singles bars where you spend a ton of money on drinks. i'd still prefer a shitty dating culture where at least it involves direct human interaction but its not like dating was easy and stress free before this
>>2438390If you're gonna go to those lengths to meet another human being what's the point of using an app where you have zero agency and are at the whims of ~the algorithm~ instead of just going on discord and dming random girls from the servers you're in? I don't care if it's what the girlies are into because it gives them the most power over me. I'm gonna continue doing the 2025 equivalent of catcalling until it works.
>>2438391Nah, not anymore. AI has made the birthrate irrelevant. Now they want lebensraum for the wealthy and privileged and everyone else to just roll over and die.
>>2438390>but they are not entirely ineffectiveFor the most part, they are.
>you just need to go in with appropriately low expectations and understand that it is an awful game where you are at a disadvantageI think plenty of people have already done this, and they still failed. It’s not just individual faults, it’s systemic.
>but its not like dating was easy and stress free before thisNo one said it was easy. Everyone is saying it was easier.
>>2438392>AI has made the birthrate irrelevantI cannot wait until this bubble pops and see the elite have a meltdown over their crappy software. Some are aware though that what they have isn’t what was advertised, and are still sticking to birth rates.
>Now they want lebensraum for the wealthy and privileged and everyone else to just roll over and dieYes and no
>>2438404>Maybe if we call communism rightist rather than leftist we can appeal to the based trad youth demographicWe don’t want to be confused for the right wing of capitalism either, and also:
>we can appeal to the based trad youth demographicWhy would we ever appeal to a reactionary minority of the youth demographic, especially after seeing a major political party (the Democrats) do the same, and then fail miserably.
>>2438409>Believe me if the wealthy wanted you to have a wife you'd have oneThe wealthy are incompetent, stupid, and have lost their intellectual edge to a more educated proletariat.
>Somehow all those right-wing grifter types never have trouble finding a wife to live out their abusive trad fantasies with. Even fucking JD Vance has a wife that he was introduced to by Peter Thiel iirc.That’s simply a mixture of bourgeoisie class solidarity and favoritism towards class traitors.
>>2438392>If you're gonna go to those lengths to meet another human being ?? what "lengths", its an app thats at least nominally for dating and other people do use it that way despite it not being very effective. i am aware of all the problems with it but i have successfully used it to date, as have many people.
yes i very much prefer to be introduced by friends or meet people organically but theres a large element of chance there thats hard to get around when youre trying to actively date.
>just going on discord and dming random girls from the servers you're in? I don't care if it's what the girlies are into because it gives them the most power over me. I'm gonna continue doing the 2025 equivalent of catcalling until it works.ok well im not going to do that because it sounds like creep shit and discords interface sucks/i only use it if i have to for some project other people set up. im sure if youre active in discord or equivelants its plenty possible to meet people online in that way, sure why not, idk exactly how that would work tho. but i wouldnt recommend randomly soliciting people regardless of the situation, even creep shit aside what is the desired result here? if it ever pays off catcalling rando girls on discord is going to get you a girl that was responsive to being randomly catcalled on discord, i cant speak to you but people got to stop thinking of dating or sex as this thing thats inherently valuable regardless of whether its someone you actually like talking to or spending time around
>>2438398>I think plenty of people have already done this, and they still failed. It’s not just individual faults, it’s systemic. thats entirely true and i apologize if i was unclear, but what i meant is that "appropriately low expectations" includes awareness that it is entirely possible that nothing will come of it even after trying for months.
at no point have i been defending dating apps or encouraging people to rely on them and expect success. im just saying its not true at all that they are completely worthless for dating. they fucking suck to use and genuinely and understandably cause people a ton of stress and discouragement. if someone doesnt otherwise have irl friends & some kind of irl community, and isnt in the headspace to navigate dozens and dozens of vapid people and abandoned conversations over months while retaining basic self-esteem, ofc they shouldnt use them and should focus on other things besides dating. if somebody already has a healthy social life and stable self-esteem, and is pursuing dating through irl activities as well, it is a fine option to supplement that with using dating apps when there arent any reasonable irl prospects.
of course its all systemic and its not any kind of individual failing that its such an uphill battle. i am commenting already taking that for granted. that system is the system we live in so if you actually want to date and/or find a longterm romantic partner, its very good to acknowledge and internalize that it doesnt reflect any inherent lack of worth on your own part, but if its a real priority for you its still something you need to actively pursue despite the bullshit. if dating is not a priority for you thats fine ofc, and itll save you a lot of trouble
>>2438410>Why would we ever appeal to a reactionary minority of the youth demographic, especially after seeing a major political party (the Democrats) do the same, and then fail miserably.It works for other Left-wing parties. The Democrats fail at appealing to the youth because they're so damn inauthentic.
We have this convo probably on a daily basis but there's inevitably gonna be a realignment in the American Left between the Social Left and Economic Left. The Democrats have done too much damage to the image of the LGBT community, womens rights, civil rights, etc that we need a total reset regarding these issues.
>>2438426If you're black you should leave the country unironically. I don't think any state is "safe" if shit starts to pop off because the Democrats are not going to protect you.
I live in California and have zero faith in Newsom doing anything productive. We already saw with the ICE shit that even California/New York are helpless to the federal government, or at least choose to be.
I'm thinking Mexico might be a good place to flee to.
>>2438422Means of production does not refer to all wealth, it refers to that which is used to produce commodities specifically. Actually do the reading before mouthing off
>inb4 a house is capital because playing semantics with “means of production”Actually read marx
>>2438421>It works for other Left-wing partiesOh, you mean like the ACP (sarcasm)?
>The Democrats fail at appealing to the youth because they're so damn inauthentic.They also failed because they did literally nothing that they wanted. It isn’t just because they didn’t sound convincing enough.
>but there's inevitably gonna be a realignment in the American Left between the Social Left and Economic Left.This is complete and utter nonsense. The only “realignment” the American left getting is its total evaporation in favor of a full on communist movement.
>The Democrats have done too much damage to the image of the LGBT community, womens rights, civil rights, etc that we need a total reset regarding these issues.Yes yes, you wish to do nothing about the rainbow capitalism, and instead make a hard dash to the right. I already know.
>>2438422>>2438423>>2438428>private propertyDo you know what this means dawg? I don’t think so.
>>2438430>If you're black you should leave the country unironicallyThis is a statement born out of liberal panic and fed speak. There is no running. No where is safe.
>>2438431A house is quite literally capital on America because it is a commodity. If you own a home you own capital and therefore own both property and reserves.
Understand Marx. Marx is not omniscient. Marxism is simply a tool we use to analyze history and economic conditions. The world has changed and the relations to capital and the means of production have changed too.
>>2438434>a house is capital because it’s a commodityNo, it’s not. That literally not what capital means. Being a commodity doesn’t make something capital. Capital is a sum of value that expands by being put to work to create more value
https://www.marxists.org/encyclopedia/terms/c/a.htm#capital
>marx wasn’t omniscientAnd? You’re still using his concepts, so get them right instead of trying to deflect from your own lack of understanding with such rhetoric
>>2438415>65% of Americans are home owners. This means they have both property and reserves given as you can take out a loan on your home. Anyone who owns their home in America is not proletarian.I wasn't disputing that. I was pointing out that US statistics define home ownership as including people who are still paying off their mortgage and may default and lose the house, rather than defining it as people who have already paid off the entire home and only have to pay property tax. I think that is interesting because these home ownership statistics include everyone who will default and lose the house in the next housing crisis. So I think the percentage of actual home owners (people who have paid off the house and basically have zero chance of losing their home) and the percentage of "home owners" (mortgage payers who may or may not lose the home by failing to make payments) are deliberately conflated with each other statistically.
is a "home owner" who is barely making their monthly mortgage payment on a 50 year old 1 bedroom shack in bumfuck nowhere really the same as a "home owner" who owns a half a million dollar waterside home near a metropolitan area? Reductively they are both "petty bourgeois" but in reality one is much more likely to have a future downward mobility into the ranks of the proletariat. That kind of precarity is important to focus on in a country that is losing its hegemonic status and is about to throw everyone under the bus to make up for it.
>>2438440>Nah I definitely notice the coming ideological schism.You are simply delusional
>associating Leftism with "family values" and "hard work" >associating Leftism with "family values" and "hard work"No one likes a dishonest right winger
>The Democrats have too many of their claws in the LGBT community.And let me guess, you plan to abolish the LGBT, definitely-not-a-reactionary.
>>2438473LGBT people in China exist perfectly fine? Even American NGO's agree.
>Scholars explain that the Chinese government directly controls the nature of LGBT activism in China through strict government regulation of civil sector organizations. In general, the government requires Non-Governmental Organizations’ (NGOs) compatibility with China's overall policy goals.[152] Therefore, LGBT activist groups tend to work on issues that are non-politically charged and serve the wider community, such as HIV and AIDS prevention, to receive the most funding and “political space”. In turn, organizations that adopt overtly political stances or mobilize the LGBT community are less likely to survive in China.[152]You can in fact have a Left that respects peoples civil rights and promotes coexistence and harmony instead of rampant individualism. Provided a gay person contributes to their community there's no reason to oppress them from a Communist standpoint. Someone can be both gay AND a Communist, but if they aren't a Communist then they're no ally of mine. I'm not willing to die on a hill to defend Peter Thiel just because he's gay. Communism should be the #1 priority: we need to create communities and support systems that are explicitly left-wing, pro-labor, and pro-working class, and explicitly push out anyone who isn't. Not just being the "alt fashion" wing of Capitalism. Any person that would vote for Copmala while the Gaza genocide was ongoing is no ally of mine, gay or straight, and we should be more aggressive in holding people accountable for their contradictory beliefs imo.
>>2438477your computer is a means of production because you can use it to write a program or start a youtube channel and profit off the passive income from software subscription fees and patreon donations.
this makes all computer owners petty bourgeois, not because of how they use their computers, but because of how they MIGHT MAYBE use their computers.
therefore everyone here is petty bourgeois and must report to the nearest lamppost to be hung by their genitals.
game over chvd
thank you for playing
>>2438421>We have this convo probably on a daily basis but there's inevitably gonna be a realignment in the American Left between the Social Left and Economic Left. The Democrats have done too much damage to the image of the LGBT community, womens rights, civil rights, etc that we need a total reset regarding these issues.>>2438440>Nah I definitely notice the coming ideological schism. Nothing ever happens. There can be some rupture about this in a left-wing sect of a few hundred or a few thousand people (if they're lucky), but the types of people who join those groups don't usually become successful politicians. It doesn't hurt Mamdani to go to a Pride festival and say he supports trans rights, because he doesn't talk down to the people who find that weird. People like him tend to have some natural talent for this and a lot of luck, and they cobble together large and contradictory coalitions. You could end up with Gays for Gavin and Groypers for Gavin. Of course it's contradictory.
It's also just basic math. Addition, subtraction, division. You want to add to your coalition and subtract from the other guy. Third parties are a meme because they only benefit the other side. It's shrimple.
>>2438485that's the commodity labor power, which every prole owns, and it's the only commodity a real prole owns. a real prole doesn't even own the clothes on his back. he rents those clothes. because if he owned them he might potentially rent them out, making him a capitalist.
>>2438486the MAGA petty bourgeoisie, as demonstrated on the holy day january 6th
>>2438482>LGBT people in China exist perfectly fine? Same sex marriage still isn’t legal or recognized
>Scholars explain that the Chinese government directly controls the nature of LGBT activism in China through strict government regulation of civil sector organizations. In general, the government requires Non-Governmental Organizations’ (NGOs) compatibility with China's overall policy goals.[152] Therefore, LGBT activist groups tend to work on issues that are non-politically charged and serve the wider community, such as HIV and AIDS prevention, to receive the most funding and “political space”. In turn, organizations that adopt overtly political stances or mobilize the LGBT community are less likely to survive in China.So China neutered LGBT groups. Gotcha.
>You can in fact have a Left that respects peoples civil rightsWe are not leftists. Communism does not, and will not, have any sort of rights whatsoever.
And every else is simply more line walking.
>>2438430Yeah. I do plan to spend some time outta the cuntry soon. Probably nowhere in LATAM though. Hispanics too wild lately.
>>2438432Eat balls chud doomer.
>>2438487>Nothing ever happens. There can be some rupture about this in a left-wing sect of a few hundred or a few thousand people (if they're lucky), but the types of people who join those groups don't usually become successful politicians. It doesn't hurt Mamdani to go to a Pride festival and say he supports trans rights, because he doesn't talk down to the people who find that weird. People like him tend to have some natural talent for this and a lot of luck, and they cobble together large and contradictory coalitions.I hear you but, these kinds of disparate coalitions are pretty hit or miss. They tend to collapse more often than they are successful. Mamdani(and Bernie even tho hes a succdem) made it work by making LGBT issues only relevant when they're relevant and not pushing them to the front of their ideology. They come off as authentic for giving the queer community the same representation everyone else gets and not using them as a political prop.
Mamdani's politics are crafted for NYC though. I don't see a candidate that goes to pride parades doing well in the deep south. Usually those types just try to keep it lowkey, and their constituents don't really care. You can in fact appeal to Christian Communism or some other shit that doesn't involve colluding with the Democrats. idk, I just see this like huge cultural separation between Chinese Maoists, Eastern European ex-Soviets, South American/African ML's, etc that nominally support social issues but their messaging is primarily focused on economic issues and fighting imperialism. Then there's the American Left where 90% of the discourse is just hyperfocused on the kinda social issues that affect like, at most 10% of the population while the other 90% are starving lmao.
>>2438499>Same sex marriage still isn’t legal or recognized Is that like…important to you?
I feel like marriage is kind of whatever. If interracial marriage were made illegal it wouldn't stop me from wanting to date black women. You can also just…go get gay married in any other country, buy rings, and not care what the government recognizes. No one is stopping you from dating who you want or loving who you want. China's laws blocking gay adoptions are a bigger deal imo.
>So China neutered LGBT groups. Gotcha.No, LGBT groups in China are focused on providing support to LGBT people living in China and not promoting international liberalism. If you can't be gay without promoting liberalism then you should be shut down.
>>2438506>Is that like…important to you?Yeah. It is. Is that like…not important to you?
>If interracial marriage were made illegal it wouldn't stop me from wanting to date black womenThat’s not the point.
>You can also just…go get gay married in any other country, buy rings, and not care what the government recognizesAgain. Not the point.
Legality is the point. We not talking about a stateless society here. Marriage recognition is much more important here. It affects your ability to adopt, your ability to regulate property among family members, and your ability to have your family legally constituted. It also affects your level of societal acceptance, and how easy it is to push you out.
>No, LGBT groups in China are focused on providing support to LGBT people living in China and not promoting international liberalism.Doesn’t seem like that at all. Just sounds like they’ve been neutered.
>>2438510>That's because there's no state to enforce any laws or rightsCorrect
>>2438522>Yeah. It is. Is that like…not important to you?No, honestly it isn't. I really don't care what 10% of the population's marriage rituals are like. You can fly to Disneyland to get married if you want to, the Chinese state won't stop you. I don't see why the international Left should be held back by the interests of people who are being oppressed in like, the most minimal way imaginable, while an ongoing genocide is going on.
Given the choice between gay marriage or communism, I'm going with communism brother. Not like I'll ever get married anyway.
But yes in an ideal world I would want to have both because gay people deserve the same rights as everyone else. The point is that the Western Left sucks at picking their priorities and gets constantly derailed by rainbow capitalism and culture wars nonsense that is extremely easy to turn into a perpetual conflict with the Right without anyone making any progress because the media controls both sides of the conversation.
Gay marriage is Not. A. Big. Deal. Fucking bourgeois ass white people whose primary concept of "oppression" is not being able to put their gay partner on their lease as a married couple meanwhile minorities are dying in the streets and gazans are being genocided. Priorities dude. I'd much rather be a gay man in China than in the USA. If that's your idea of oppression then you're free to stay here I guess.
>>2438528>I really don't care what 10% of the population's marriage rituals are likeIt doesn’t matter what you care about when it legally affects people.
>I don't see why the international Left should be held back by the interests of people who are being oppressed in like, the most minimal way imaginableAnd now we’re getting some honesty
>Given the choice between gay marriage or communism, I'm going with communism brother. It’s a package deal bud. If you still have a society that’s reactionary towards gay marriage, you don’t have communism.
>The point is that the Western Left sucks at picking their priorities We are not the left
>Gay marriage is Not. A. Big. Deal.Not to you, you’ve made that abundantly clear.
>gets constantly derailed by rainbow capitalism and culture wars nonsenseSo said the one stuck in it.
>>2438536>I mean, yeah, but Communism is a constant struggle.And the struggle gets worse when reactionaries are coddled, and not crushed.
>but I'd prefer a society with 10% CommunismNot how this works.
>>2438537>they are pragmaticists who don't think in terms of ideologyThe only thing pragmatic about the “apolitical” is how the bourgeoisie utilize them.
>just do the actual work of examining social problems and figuring out realistic solutions one problem at a time.You didn’t speak of this. You spoke of irrational concessions to reactionaries.
>>2438539The proletariat yearns for revolution. Leadership is another thing entirely.
>>2438547>this is such a dumb annoying take. you have to meet people where they're atAnd where are they exactly? Do tell.
>if the American proletariat is mostly working class,>fairly religiousIn a downturn
>and largely multicultural rather than monocultural>then what are you gonna do?What I’ve been doing the past several years until I finally hit that breaking point.
>>2438553>In a downturn Sure but you can't just wait 50 years for Christianity to die out. People are suffering now. And even then, while Christianity is dying, Islam is growing and is just as homophobic.
I'm not suggesting we capitulate to bigotry but simply build political power first at least before going full mask off. You gotta appeal to your audience and build a large support base before tackling social issues that will naturally rub a lot of people the wrong way if you don't build their trust first. Being a reactionary is not a failing on that person's part but a failing of the system that raised them. A lot of people fall victim to liberal propaganda even without meaning to, and you can't treat them like they're your enemy if you want to make progress tbh.
>>2438558NO
NO RIGHTS
NOBODY GETS RIGHTS
NOBODY GETS ANYTHING
I'm huffing and puffing and stomping my feets ooooh I'm so MAD
>>2438556Not by any sort of left. Or the right. Or the center.
>>2438561>Sure but you can't just wait 50 years for Christianity to die out.Don’t have to.
>Islam is growing and is just as homophobic.Not enough to counter the shrinkage.
>I'm not suggesting we capitulate to bigotry That’s exactly what you are saying
>but simply build political power first at least before going full mask off.I already have political power. And not going mask off is simply what a communist would not do.
>You gotta appeal to your audience and build a large support base before tackling social issues that will naturally rub a lot of people the wrong way if you don't build their trust first.My audience is not a bunch of reactionaries who want to be babied. And the popularity of gay marriage isn’t something I’m concerned about at all.
>A lot of people fall victim to liberal propaganda even without meaning toAnd yet I can already see you wish to appeal to the worst of the lot.
>and you can't treat them like they're your enemy if you want to make progress tbh.Of course I can. I literally have to.
>>2438575Yeah that's probably the case, but even so if you have this much resentment in you, whether justified or not, then you're better off keeping to yourself and not poisoning whatever org you join. Communism isn't about fighting humanity, it's about fighting Capital. Whatever perceived or experienced bigotry lead you to being this jaded is something you have to deal with before you can be an activist, honestly.
>>2438585>Why bother educating the massesYou call it educating but what you're really doing is just preaching a gospel with no room for argument or discussion or compromise. Education generally involves a back and forth dialogue. Instead you just want a religion. Your own neuroses has lead you to a path where your own ideology is infallible and everyone else around you is just a fool waiting to be enlightened by your intelligence. It's kinda cringe tbh.
>>2438524He kind of revealed the point when he talked about Joe Slovo's funeral.
>"That's no white man, that's Joe Slovo!"I'm pretty sure at the end of the day he wants to be "one of the good ones" or something.
From our May Issue
https://erikhoudini.com/#post?id=942531&title=lgbt-youth-in-the-philippines-are-literally-fighting-to-be-free
>Enter Ka Daisy, 26, a trans woman, an NPA guerrilla, a martyr. She carried a makeup kit in her pack, taught her squad literature and math between ambushes. Barangay Tapi, April 27th—five government battalions closed in. She fought, fell, became a name etched in the revolution's heart. "As an LGBT youth, our role is important in advancing revolution," she said. "To change society's views, we must change society herself." Rest in power, Ka Daisy.>>2438524The point is to do something for someone other than yourself and right history's greatest wrong. The point is to destroy America, by any means and at any cost necessary.
>>2438596It must be hard for a white nationalist like yourself to imagine something like that, isnt it? The idea that anyone would betray your precious Volk and act for the good of humanity instead of just their race.
>>2438604It reminds me of when hazbin hotels insist there's a huge uncounted youth/minority voting bloc in Texas that will turn it blue every election cycle. And then it never materializes and they just blame voter suppression.
If you're gambling on activating an invisible demographic you've already lost. This is why DSA cannibalizes the Democratic party instead of trying to reach out to non-voters, as an electoral party trying to achieve victories through elections they target people that vote. Conversely, if you want to start some kind of Left-wing militia you need to appeal to the people that already have guns, the people that already are fighting ICE, the people that already engage in militant activism online. Usually those are pretty isolated regional groups that all have their own separate beliefs, not necessarily intersectional. There's literally Marxist Catholics in South America and Marxist Muslims in the Middle East and they all have their own beliefs. Communism is not one size fits all.
>>2438606Correct. It is however a sign of abandonment of religious authority at the very least.
This however…
>But, despite these signs of recent stabilization and abiding spirituality, other indicators suggest we may see further declines in the American religious landscape in future years.>Namely, younger Americans remain far less religious than older adults.>For example, the youngest adults in the survey (ages 18 to 24) are less likely than today’s oldest adults (ages 74 and older) to:>Identify as Christian (46% vs. 80%)>Pray daily (27% vs. 58%)>Say they attend religious services at least monthly (25% vs. 49%)>And the youngest adults are more likely than the oldest Americans to be religiously unaffiliated (43% vs. 13%).>Also, younger Americans are less likely than older adults to say they were raised in religious households.1 And, compared with older adults, fewer young people who were raised in religious households have remained religious after reaching adulthood.https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2025/02/26/decline-of-christianity-in-the-us-has-slowed-may-have-leveled-off/ NEW THREAD
>>2438622New thread
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