/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2505817
ACP is dumb but "American democracy was hijacked by an imperialist deep state" is not wrong. idk why you are letting a minority faction of fed shitcoaters define reality for you sounds like terminal internet brain

>>2506408
Does exculpating the sins of bourgeois democracy by equating it with the Nazis give you greater clarity in your analysis? There are some who don't want them to be different, or for liberal democracy to cause serious problems outside whatever similarities it has with ethno-religious exterminationism and omnidirectional warmongering.

>>2506433
bourgeois democracy in general is not the same as the US empire

>>2505857
you just make stuff up and act like court judge. power tripping troll.

>>2505619
>Really? I get a much stronger "punk" vibe from them.
What I mean is that I've made an argument on leftypol for years that the Western Left is largely just the modern manifestation of the Punk Subculture, since Zoomers largely abandoned music based subcultures for political ones. You can pretty much look at much of Left wing Activism, and even left wing positions on thing, coming from a anarkiddie, punk, "fuck the man! fuck society" attitude. I've been a Communist activist for 20 years, and honestly 70% of Leftists I've known in that time have been largely driven by a oikophobic teenage antisocial seethe that they never grew out of.
ACP do not give me this vibe at all, yes they are "punk" in relation to the West of the left and in how direct they are, but they are not actively antisocial retards who hate most working class people like most Leftists are.
>NATO = fascist because it absorbed German military officers is dumb.
I don't think it's fascist at all, I think Liberalism basically erased Fascism of most of it's ideology beyond seething anti Russian/Communist bigotry, and then let those freaks let loose in intelligence forces to crack down on organized labour, left wing parties domestically and foreign policy blob to largely move to break up Russia.
Thats why I say Fascism was sublimated, nor that Fascism really exists functionally anymore, Fascists became just the thugboot arm to impose Liberal Imperialism and Class warfare. The average what would have been Fascist then, today, is your LGBT flag waving NAFO pink bombs type.
>I think what also gets left out in discussions of fascism is love of war as a revolutionary force and belief in soldiers as proving themselves through their courage to be the core of a new elite.
Also the futurism, also the seething hatred of Christianity for "slave morality", like you said as well, Fascists also had that people should prove themselves as "heroes" through conflict and war, which often by "muh totalitarianism" retards claim is the same as the New Soviet Man, but the New Soviet Man was entirely about being a good civic minded person and giving up ethnic nationalism for a collective soviet identity so they are literally nothing alike.
>>2505681
No, if you go by the belief that the ACP is influenced by Dugin (it's not in any of it's actual platform, Haz says he's influneced by Dugin, but he goes out of his way to not include that in the platform at all), then Dugin and the Nazbols were fanatical anti-racists. The position of Dugin and the Nazbols is that an overarching collective identity based on civilizational identity is what should be adopted and built upon, not ethnic identity.
I don't understand how people on Leftypol forget of all people, that the Nazbols and Dugin were largely trolling Yeltsin retards in the 1980s and 1990s who largely conflated Communism and Nazism as the same ideology, thus the term Nazbol was taken as a literal joke, just like how black people call themselves "uygha".
https://web.archive.org/web/20080213022928/http://www.nazbol.ru/rubr28/index0/253.html

>>2505014
>If Haz was full "Muh Choo Choo rights", "Uhh yes, a man can just say he's a woman and there is no biological difference between him and a female in that moment" literally 90% of the opposition to the ACP would dry up within the hour.

So true if tomorrow Haz came out wearing poorly applied lipstick, his mums clothes and over-sexualised high heels and talking about designing drones for NATO the Left would sign up to the ACP in droves.

>>2505619
> But the idea that NATO = fascist because it absorbed German military officers is dumb.
NATO is not fascist because it absorbed high ranking nazi officers.

It is fascist because it's the militarised section of the imperialist nations organised on the basis for perpetual war to maintain a parasitic rentier economy

he's like forrest gump. he manages to take so many photos with famous people

>>2506557
>NATO is not fascist because it absorbed high ranking nazi officers.
>It is fascist because it's the militarised section of the imperialist nations organised on the basis for perpetual war to maintain a parasitic rentier economy

This is 100% correct and your dumb bigoted video undermines your point.

>muh gays
>they got rid of good guys like …. MacArthur
holy fuck lmfao macarthur wanted to nuke DPRK what is she fucking talking about

>>2506517
>I don't think it's fascist at all, I think Liberalism basically erased Fascism of most of it's ideology
You are a retard, go read a book.

>>2506517
>ACP do not give me this vibe at all, yes they are "punk" in relation to the West of the left and in how direct they are, but they are not actively antisocial retards who hate most working class people like most Leftists are.
Well they just define who they hate as not part of the working class which makes it okay to hate those people. They buy into that right-wing frame that leftist = not working class. That left-wing values are incompatible with being in the working class or something like that. But listen man I don't want to hate anybody. I don't want to hate "leftists." I don't want to be one of these people who are like "fuck these shitlibs, man!" That's a very ACP thing to do, but they're just talking about normie left-liberals. I see a punk attitude as like "fuck the man, fuck society" but it's also like "fuck these normies." It'd be like hating my own mom and dad. But I'll tell you that fascist groups operate that way, it's all about getting people together and focusing them on hating some other group of people and trying to tear them down (usually people who don't have any power and who the group feels are easy targets for bullying).

>The average what would have been Fascist then, today, is your LGBT flag waving NAFO pink bombs type.
I'm not trying to be rude but I don't know if you've spent much time around people who wave LGBT flags because they don't give me the same vibes as fascist paramiitary groups do. To be perfectly honest this is a subjective feeling but I've seen self-defined fascist groups IRL who scream "blood and soil" and carry torches and it's a different vibe from the Pride parades I've attended.

The reason these guys say this is though because they support Russia which defines itself as anti-fascist and its enemies as fascist. But it's not like Russia doesn't have its own native fascist tradition. If the Bolsheviks hadn't won the civil war, the word we use for "fascism" might have been a Russian word instead of an Italian word. You see the other side do the same thing. Israel also does it even though they kill people and play with fascist aesthetics (look up the Israeli rap artist Subliminal).

>Also the futurism, also the seething hatred of Christianity for "slave morality", like you said as well, Fascists also had that people should prove themselves as "heroes" through conflict and war
It was an important part of it. But I'll remind you that the fascists reconciled with Christianity to a degree when in power and (the Nazis included) put themselves forward as defenders of traditional Christian values and the "Christian German family." The occultic stuff gets played up more for the History Channel-type shows but they wore "Gott Mit Uns" on their belt buckles. In the United States, the most prominent fascists in the 1930s was Charles Coughlin who was a Catholic priest. Also there's the Black Hundreds in Russia and right-wing Orthodox types similar to right-wing Catholics in Franco's Spain.

>The position of Dugin and the Nazbols is that an overarching collective identity based on civilizational identity is what should be adopted and built upon, not ethnic identity.
Well the civilizational identity is based on religion and "traditional values." Yeah I understand that but like Haz I've actually met Alexander Dugin (sort of, remotely, but we could see and hear each other) at a conference organized by an American neo-Nazi. I'm not just saying he was a neo-Nazi he really was one. But it's not because they shared the same ideology but because they shared the same enemy.

>>2509499
>holy fuck lmfao macarthur wanted to nuke DPRK what is she fucking talking about
In the U.S. there was this John Birch Society crowd on the right that was deeply skeptical of NATO (along with international organizations like the United Nations) but very anti-China. MacArthur was a big hero to them and some wanted him to run for president. They are basically America Firsters who were Nazi sympathetic during the 1930s and racist but supported the war once Japan attacked Pearl Harbor.

>>2509498
>elected as high bailiff of his county
>promises to police the police, use his position to better serve working class people in his community
>absconds to Russia to be a TV talking head
what did he mean by this?

>>2505014
>I don't think he's retarded, he's clearly extremely intelligent and pretty encyclopaedic knowledge of his historical and philosophical interests and tears to shreds people in debates,
I haven't seen any basis for this.
>Look up the video of Haz talking to a normie conservative about Communism, every Leftard honestly should learn from that video.
"Communists" who attempt to appeal to conservatives by diluting their theory into literally milk toast social democracy are just as bad as the most rabid liberal.
>Honestly 98% of the hate of the ACP is simply the reality is they aren't dysgenic oikophobic self hating punk brained like the rest of the left and they, like any same Marxist, rejects gender cultism.
99% of this thread critiques don't even have anything to do with what you're saying. Like an anon before mentioned, Haz unironically adopts the same vapid empty headed approach to politics that punks did, where aesthetic and blind contraranism take a front seat in contrast to actual meaningful praxis. Calling dislike of the US "oikophobic" is stupid as hell for any Marxist to state, particularly in the context of the ACP's tailist romantic approach in how it portrays the US and it's "fall".
>If Haz was full "Muh Choo Choo rights", "Uhh yes, a man can just say he's a woman and there is no biological difference between him and a female in that moment" literally 90% of the opposition to the ACP would dry up within the hour.
I don't even understand what you're talking about, and I dont think any of the discourse in regards transgender people has to do with the idea of people being biologically male or female, as it has to do with sex and not gender. I also dont agree with this absurd tailist approach to politics, where we just kick down whoever is the social punching bag of the decade in order to gain some meaningless rapport with the existing conservative undercurrents of the time.

>>2510109
im not even a hazoid but you are a retard

>>2506557
>those faggots stopped us from nuking all the communists
<yes as a communist i hate those fags
hmm

>>2512562
zero counter arguments detected, retard (not the anon)
>im not even a hazoid but
total bullshit

>>2506517
>calls people dysgenic oikophobes as an insult
<I'M NOT A EUGENICIST BECAUSE UMMM UMM ALL THESE MENTAL GYMNASTICS
fuck off

It's over. Haz and Jackson split up over Hasan's dog
RIP ACP

>vidrels both agree jackson is retarded

>>2454331
S4A isn't a breadtuber, he's an ML

>>2467802
>>2469683

Agent Kochinski fans don't reguraly shit up threads while plenty of out most annoying posters are basically haztards in all but name and iirc Haz has literally beefed with the site before.

>>2506517
lotta yapping just to dickride a bunch of socdems

>>2519998
The funniest S4A moment was that Mao was being sexist when he talked about man in his writings and one of the Infrared collective OGs told him to read it in Chinese.

>>2519998
NTA but need to resurrect the "beardtube" / marxtube general. Whenever actually good content gets posted (by accident?) in "ISG" it gets spammed out of view too quickly by trash and doesn't get the warranted discussion.
>>2520074
Everybody does mistakes. From what I've heard of his commentary on Mao lately it's well informed. He does lean more Hoxhaist more, but he's nowhere near as obnoxious and dogmatic like most Hoxhaists I've come across online have been.

>>2520116
I miss bunkerposting

>>2520116
>he's nowhere near as obnoxious and dogmatic like most Hoxhaists I've come across online have been.
uh he calls every AES revisionist imperialist red fash. i like his stuff too but the "antivisionism" is really offputting and he spends a lot of time getting hopping mad about <not his own bourgeoisie> and promoting imperialist propaganda about <enemies of his own bourgeoisie> doing the whole not real communism has never been tried stuff despite being really good at explaining dialectics he remains in this blind spot. like he could just remain neutral and explain what he thinks communism is according tot a text and let the audience decide for themselves if that fits a given state but instead hes always agitating against

>>2454298
Haz' theory of capitalism will eventually just fizzle out is absolutely insane, the idea that capital owners will simply GIVE UP their capital once capitalism becomes mega capitalism that serves the people, is out of nowhere, I have no idea where he even refines theory into this, or what he's read to get to that point. Duginites, red-fascists, they follow some mystical idea of communism, not out of actual ideological convictions, but reactionary aesthetic.

>>2520606
>uh he calls every AES revisionist imperialist red fash. i like his stuff too but the "antivisionism" is really offputting and he spends a lot of time getting hopping mad about <not his own bourgeoisie> and promoting imperialist propaganda about <enemies of his own bourgeoisie> doing the whole not real communism has never been tried stuff
Nah you're simply still a rose and don't comprehend the revolutionary core of Marxism-Leninism completely at odds with contemporary revisionist states.
>like he could just remain neutral and explain what he thinks communism is according tot a text and let the audience decide for themselves if that fits a given state but instead hes always agitating against
Unlike you he actually reads and comprehends the text and theory in context, from which it becomes obvious that China for example is led by a counterrevolutionary clique at the service of social-imperialism. But you'd rather watch CGTN streams than engage in communist praxis, becoming very offended when communists interfere with your induced delusion.

>>2520661
>the revolutionary core of Marxism-Leninism completely at odds with contemporary revisionist states.
even if true its still unprincipled especially towards semicolonial and periphery nations. revleft has the right line: measured skepticism + critical support

Strikes are direct action.

Baristas make commodities

Donald Trump and Maga in its entirety is a zionist operation

>>2520837
>Baristas
I think Haz hates baristas because he is really insecure about his own masculinity. Remember, there is a reason why the Gorilla was a mascot of infracels. Gorillas are big, but they have tiny penises.

its literally just national socialism

>>2506557
>fascism is when imperialism
smartest leninist.

So is Haz gonna go back to being a lolcow slob now? Bring back the wife beater tank!

>>2520922
it literally isnt

>>2520934
haz's whole point of analysis the subject of dasein or ethnos of civilisations, which was also hitler's concern and why heidegger supported the nazis.

>>2520931
He should have never stopped being that
That was Him at his best

>>2520924
is is imperialism turned inward, and nato is an organization for imperialist subjugation of its smaller members by the larger

>>2520936
this. Haz is an HHHH

Hitler-Heiling-Hegelian-Heideggerian

>>2454298
ACP isn't perfect but mogs every other "communist" party in America. Btw people talk about muh redfash nazbols or whatever orbiting the ACP but they're not actually the worst part about the ACP. It's the weird religious fundamentalists, from Muslims to tradcaths. ACP needs to kick them out asap if they want to be taken seriously at all.

>>2454383
>>2454410
only "reserve" members pay dues, not full members. and it's like $10/month so no he's not getting rich

>>2454412
uber eats drivers are petit booj, based haz

>>2454431
The only non-ACP communists I've seen in my city have been mentally ill blue haired baristas wearing Marx shirts and Trotoids selling newspapers
Meanwhile ACP are on the streets working with the people that's how I know about them

>>2521682
>It's the weird religious fundamentalists, from Muslims to tradcaths. ACP needs to kick them out asap if they want to be taken seriously at all.
but chairman haz is religious

>>2521696
>mentally ill blue haired baristas
ok lol

>>2521682
>i know they have red fascists and clerical fascists in their ranks, but they are objectively superior to other "communist parties"
holy brainrotted

>>2520924
>smartest leninist.
<The form of capitalist society in which the bourgeoisie rules by open, terroristic violence against the people, as opposed to bourgeois democracy. As an extreme form of bourgeois nationalist rule, fascism often also includes rabid forms of racism, often to the point of genocide. The most vicious and notorious example was Nazi Germany (1933-1945).
All capitalist countries have at least some elements of fascism, to one degree or another, and to the extent that the bourgeoisie thinks these elements are “necessary” in order to maintain their rule. Nevertheless, we call those countries which allow relatively more freedoms of speech, of the press, of association, and allow at least some mass protest bourgeois democracies, while those countries which have few if any such freedoms we call fascist.
https://massline.org/Dictionary/FA.htm

“Fascism is the open terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, most chauvinistic, most imperialist elements of finance capital.” —Statement of the Enlarged Executive of the Communist International, Moscow, 1933.

Fascism is imperialism in it's most reactionary form.
All imperialist societies contain elements of fascis

>>2521696
>The only non-ACP communists I've seen in my city have been mentally ill blue haired baristas wearing Marx shirts and Trotoids selling newspapers
<Muh baristas
Of the few communists I've ever encountered, zero were baristas, and it wouldn't even matter if they were. And I doubt you go outside at all, because how in the hell would you even determine this? This just sounds like the bitter imaginings of an anti-social youth who lives in a world of hypothetical interactions, who spends every moment rationalizing his assumptions on life to himself.
>Meanwhile ACP are on the streets working with the people that's how I know about them
I've never seen this. I'm a tradesman.