>>2455964axis of evil, but of course.
never ask them why the continuously oppose to guarantee rights, like food, education, health or water.
>>2456278grubs and shrubs defeating the ukrainian, and the shovel and washing machines army is not playing a role or whatsover.
>mind of Russia being really quite risk averseno, but you see, HoI players from /k/ope said to me that here that they are taking 100 years.
>>2456061well, I liked the explanation of the this ex-SBU officer, Prozorov:
>Parubiy's murder could be an intra-clan struggle in Ukraine, former SBU officer Prozorov told RT.
>Perhaps this is Zelensky's offensive against Poroshenko's positions, he added. Prozorov also did not rule out that this could be a purge by Western intelligence agencies of those who know the truth about the "Maidan".
>The source added that Parubiy was responsible for the delivery of weapons and nationalists to Odessa in 2014, when the Trade Union House burned down. He was a supporter of the harshest possible solution to the "Odessa issue", Prozorov concluded.
>Parubiy, a key figure in the "Maidan", was shot dead yesterday in Lvov. The attacker has not been detained.it could be anyone, but the ukrianians ran and said it was ruSShia. It could be even the nato anarchists who hold a grudge against the right sektor figures because the latter always are desecrating their pride parades, and attacking violently the LGBT marches, and even recently organizing an attack on one of the anarchists' members funeral.
>>2456413If you try to fully recruit the 18-30 age group you won't get a very large army in the first place, since that is the 90s collapse low birth rate generation. Secondly by banning travel you make people want to get out even more and never return. Third you destroy future of the nation in progress. Of course these retards don't give a shit, to them Ukraine is an idea, not a concrete collection of flesh and blood people united by culture and polity.
This war will probably cause another slump in birthrate and wounded and the dead cause there being more dependents in relation to productive workers. Which will make things even worse in the future. Few will want to return even if the war ends unless actively forced.
>>2456400weeeell, that' liberalism, everyone. building an idealized world, and make conclusions out of it, but in the end, they can't sustain the material world.
big slogans don't defeat an army.
>>2456532>be army guys during ww1 or 2
<'why are we still buying rifles for our infantry when the vast majority of casualties are from artillery?'you just straight up do not know how military equipment works lol, there is nothing infantry portable with the range, rate of fire/ammo supply, and accuracy to effectively target drones. at minimum you need something like a .50 caliber CROWS turret, and ideally for anti-aircraft purposes you would have something with a higher rate of fire, maybe even with flechette/canister shot, airburst, or some other explosive shell. the size of the hit matters less than getting a hit at all, the larger caliber weapons however are some of the only ones with the range and power to hit drones at distance through various wind conditions. you probably also need an automated targeting system to even have a chance of hitting a smaller faster drone anyway.
like sure, you can give one guy per squad a shotgun, but thats planning for failure, a last ditch hope more than a feasible tactical response.
this 'drones will replace all military equipment' hysteria is the same as the first ATGMs that were totally going to 'end armored vehicles forever'
>>2456369I hate your ruling class but that's about it. The russian folk are cool.
Also yeah the west hates you. Westoid liberals in particular are the most anti-russian racist people in the entire world. They take pride in how le hecking progressive and non-racist their are yet they literally call you people ORCS the same way american KKK assholes call black people.
>>2456369>leftypol wish for my demiseno, I don't.
I fully give critical support to Russia fight against ukranian nazism.
don't pay attention to the western "left". they live through the lenses of American exceptionalism and lack of understanding of imperialism, projecting a lot, and using orientalism to describe what Russia is, isn't or can, can't do.
>>2456662Don't forget "Vatnik", they desperately want that word to carry the same venom as any no-no slur.
Incidentally, what is the deal with libs wanting to get away with saying slurs like it's the forbidden fruit or some shit, I saw recently (although it happened a while ago) that tit Bill Maher say "I'm a house n****" as part of a "joke" and get a stern talking to by Ice Cube.
>>2456400Don't they believe there's a "stealth forced mobilization" in Russia to keep with the losses?
They can just claim it was strengthened by 3 times
>>2456908Sure but "stealth" means in numbers that people wouldn't notice and that's already existing cope for why Russia hadn't run out of men yet by the supposed rates of meatgrinding prior to this summer, you can't amass three times the men on top of that in time for a counter offensive without anyone noticing.
If they choose to believe that this entire time Russia were amassing reserves for this counter-offensive, then we're back to the question of how are Russia still fighting at all despite the self-exterminating levels of meatgrinding?
>>2456989Blah blah blah blah
Ukraine collapse status you idiotic yapper?
>>2456620The cost to put a drone on the battlefield is down to a few $1000, it costs an orders of magnitude more to train and equip an infantryman to basic standards. Let alone pay the costs of raising a child to 18 years of age.
Anti-drone systems will get better but currently the economics strongly favour drones.
>>2457171That’s why I said “to put on the battlefield”. The bullet has to go in a rifle, which has to be held by an infantryman (so far). The main thing holding back the use of drones in Ukraine is ECM and missile/artillery attacks on drone crews/depots.
“Good enough” autonomous drones are already being tested and the hardware adds a few $100 in cost.
Infantrymen will be around for a long while but the density deployed on frontlines will decrease.
>>2457433The Bolshevik hordes are being crushed before the gates of
Berlin Kyiv!
>>2457184It's much worse. There is a retard fight on chug. Some neonazi faggot is trying to argue
>but le wholesome nazis were liberating russia from ebil bolsheviksThankfully a lot of anons are fighting back.
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/514599691/Nazis get bullet. As time went on I saw less and less nazis support russia because they are not as nazi as made on tv.
>>2457187I am not hoping to accomplish anything. I am just laughing at yous keep talking about Ukraine's collapse after Bakhmut, Adveevka, Kursk, Sumy blah blah for three years now only for Cucktin to agree Minsk 3.
To the last Ukrainian means to the last Ukrainian.
>>2455657>Evidence of the influence and origin of neo-Nazi groups in UkraineThere are far-right groups in Ukraine, yes, but there are also far-right groups in Russia, who support Putin's imperialist invasion of Ukraine.
Any genuine leftist should 100% oppose Putin's imperialist invasion. If imperialism by western countries is bad then so is imperialism done by any other country.
>>2457608>So China gets an endless supply of cheap gas (Europe used to but now doesn't), and Mongolia gets transit fees (Ukriane used to but now doesn't).I am in Europe and I am willing to pay slightly higher energy prices if it means I'm not funding Putin's imperialist invasion.
As for Ukraine, I hope their people get to decide their own future (as long as they behave ethically as a country, which I think they would do). If they want to cooperate with Russia then that's a potential choice for them, but I expect at the moment they definitely don't.
>>2457681Every country has ultra-nationalists. Ukraine has some and Russia has some, like Igor Girkin. Ukraine's government is clearly not neo-Nazi though. I would say that Russia's government is closer to neo-Nazism than Ukraine's government is. Russia is the one that is trying to expand its "lebensraum" while it imprisons or kills people that it considers undesirable.
The idea that Ukraine is a neo-Nazi country is vatnik imperialist propaganda.
>>2457618Let me expand on this, then.
Russia has forced the issue, which was forced upon them (the SMO, like everything, has a history). This can be seen as fundamentally good thing. We have no need for the traditional imperialist world order (the rules-based whatever it's called). And now we all can see that we never had a need for it, of course. We will simply move on.
>>2457697Would you rather than countries behave unethically? Should every country behave like Israel, murdering civilians?
>>2457701Yes of course, Zelenskyy the Jewish liberal president of Ukraine is absolutely a neo-Nazi. He will soon sign an order sending his family, and himself, to Auschwitz 2.0.
Why do you support Russian imperialism? Because you're not a leftist. Perhaps you're a far-right ultra-nationalist based in Russia.
>>2457702>Ukraine has much, much more than othersOh of course that must be true. That's why Ukraine's ultra-nationalists decided to invade a neighbouring country and murder civilians there. Wait, hang on.
>>2457704I assume they do. People who support Lukashenko and think he's too soft, if anything.
>>2457705>war mongering and genocidal USIs the US currently waging an invasion of a foreign country and murdering civilians there? I don't see such an invasion happening. But Russia is doing that.
The US has been too imperialist in the past (Iraq, Afghanistan) but right now, if I had to choose whether it's the US or Russia that is "warmongering and genocidal", I would say it's Russia (and Israel to be honest).
>>2457715>Ukraine after USSR's collapse had ultra-nationalists live in the same country as "foreign" population they could murder without invading anybody.Do you mean that Ukraine could/did murder Russians in Ukraine? Has Zelenskyy's government organised the murder of Russians within Ukraine? Did Poroshenko's? Did a previous government? Or maybe such allegations are just fictions written by imperialist vatniks?
>>2457723It is possible to greatly reduce harm to civilians. Look at Northern Ireland which was a location of much violence. Eventually a peace deal was signed which commits to democratic solutions to political issues. This has greatly reduced violence and harm to civilians. I think that's an example for how other international disputes should be resolved.
>>2457727>>2457731But alright, let's play your game.
Do you agree that Baltic states MUST rescind their anti-Russian policies such as refusing them citizenship? They constantly get shamed by the example of neighbouring Finland that has Swedish as an official language despite Swedes constituting measly 5% of population, but I guess Russians are GENETICALLY totalitarian and oppressive, huh
>>2457709>but muh zelensky is jewish.zelensky is a puppet who serves the empire and ukrainian neo-nazis. he is an irrelevant actor playing a role. And as long as he continues playing that role they will reward and never harm him. He also grew up speaking Russian and surrounded by Russians, and he still sent the nazis into Donbas to kill them, because that is what he was told to do.
>The US has been too imperialist in the past (Iraq, Afghanistan) but right now, if I had to choose whether it's the US or Russia that is "warmongering and genocidal", I would say it's Russia (and Israel to be honest).jfc. Israel is the US. It's a puppet regime just like Ukraine, there to serve a purpose. Everything it's doing is at the behest of the US. And the US just attacked Iran (alongside Israel), after using ISIS terrorists to overthrow Syria (which the US was already illegally occupying for years.) It also attacked Yemen, and it provoked the Ukraine war in the first place, all toward the same end: global domination. It's just a shame there isn't a Russia equivalent in the Middle East willing to kick the shit out of its puppet Israel there.
>>2457731>Yes, they've been killing Russian-speakersI've not seen evidence of this claim, besides Russian invaders dying in conflict (those who took up arms against the state of Ukraine). Perhaps some civilians also died in the Donbas from crossfire, and if so, I hope such deaths never happen.
Besides that, has Ukraine been killing Russian-speakers, and do you have evidence to support this claim? Before Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014, was Ukraine killing Russian-speakers?
>>2457732I think that a country should offer citizenship based on reasonable rules. Demonstrating knowledge of the majority language of a country is pretty reasonable - I think many countries require this for citizenship. People shouldn't be denied citizenship based on their ethnicity, or based on their knowledge of other languages. So if someone from Russia moves to Latvia and learns Latvian and can pass a Latvian citizenship test then sure, give them citizenship.
I also think that countries shouldn't invade foreign territories and murder civilians there. This is why I think Russia's invasion of Ukraine is wrong. Same reason I think Israel's war on Palestine is wrong.
>>2457743>Besides that, has Ukraine been killing Russian-speakers, and do you have evidence to support this claim? Before Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014, was Ukraine killing Russian-speakers?First of all, yes, Ukraine was killing Russian-speakers. There were entire prisons found where Ukrainian nazis were torturing and murdering whoever they didn't like
Second, murder is not the only legitimate reason to rise up.
>I think that a country should offer citizenship based on reasonable rulesSO, you agree with me that Baltic states must accept their Russian population as citizens because Russians were living there for more that 30 years even before the collapse of USSR. Good to know that your position is incompatible with Ukrainian one
>>2457735>Ukraine aren't neo-NaziCorrect
>endorsing neo-Nazi groupsI'm pretty sure the Ukrainian government doesn't endorse neo-Nazi groups. You can say "but some members of Azov from 10 years ago displayed fascist symbols". I bet there are some Russian soldiers who have displayed fascist symbols too. That doesn't mean the Ukrainian war effort, organised by the Ukrainian government, is seeking fascist or Nazi goals. Ukraine's war effort is meant to defend their nation from an invasion. The war effort is not an attempt to genocide Jews or expand a Ukrainian "lebensraum" - those would be Nazi goals.
>>2457739>western imperialism BAD>non-western imperialism GOODActually, all imperialism is bad, including Russian imperialism.
>>2457752Literally whole video
>>2457702 Stop being an obnoxious faggot who refuses to watch leftist analysis of Ukraine from Ukrainians thmeselves
>>2457752lmao its like we're back in 2022 with clueless libs coming here to show how fucking stupidly ignorant and misinformed they are when repeating their nafo shit
>I'm pretty sure the Ukrainian government doesn't endorse neo-Nazi groupsI wonder why all important positions in the army, security forces, secret services and such are given to open nazis then
and why all nazis militias are integrated in the army and given priority for gear
and why they pass laws to rehabilitate nazi collaborators and honor them as their national heros
so in fact, you are are a clueless moron trying to run cover up for nazis taking over key power positions
>Ukraine's war effort is meant to defend their nation from an invasionoriginally, it was meant to oppress the russian speaking regions that dared refuse to accept the nazi coup and a forced "ukrainization" which define itself as pro nazi, pro imperial west, and anti russian
>Russian imperialismdont use big words you dont understand. Theres only one empire, it is the western US led empire, and anything that fight it is good and receive my critical support
now fuck off back to reddit to cry about evil pro russian tankies you braindead idiot
>>2457709>Would you rather than countries behave unethicallybut they do, thats the point. No country on earth behave according to "ethics" you naive idiot
>Zelenskyy the Jewish liberal president of Ukraine is absolutely a neo-Nazihe aint, but he cant oppose them, he depends on them, and his government and security forces are filled with them
>Why do you support Russian imperialismwhat do you think is imperialism? fighting wars? you're simply clueless about the world
>Because you're not a leftistaccording to our standard, you arent leftist actually, because "left leaning" libs are still libs, and ultimately on the side of the reaction aka as the right
>That's why Ukraine's ultra-nationalists decided to invade a neighbouring country and murder civilians therenah because they were busy doing that in their own country first and proudly announcing their plan to move on to crimea next
>I assume they do. People who support Lukashenko and think he's too soft, if anything.so you simply dont know shit and assume based on the western imperial propaganda you're fed, like with everything else
"ultra nationalist" in belarus are nato backed fascists fucks that hate luka (because he preserved a lot of the soviet system, social services and nationalized industries) and support ukraine
>Is the US currently waging an invasion of a foreign country and murdering civilians there? yes, yemen, syria, iraq, various places in africa, have US military bases that werent invited and routinely conduct raids, kidnapping, torture, and murders on the civilian population, not mentioning all the killings through bombing
> I don't see because you are a pro imperialism lib completely blind to what it takes to maintain the hegemonic superpower of the US, and apparently never even questioned that the west are the good guys now, only conceding for things "in the past" (convenient, only admit to crimes when it doesnt matter and nobody can change shit anymore)
> I would say it's Russiathen you're simply a worthless retard.
>and Israel to be honestmmmmh, I wonder what imperial superpower allow israel impunity for its colonialism and genocide, shielding them from their neighbors, actively arming them with heavy bombs to throw at civilians and supporting them with massive injections of cash
Im always impressed how completely ignorant these fucking libs are, cheering for their imperial narratives. Make no mistake, they are the wide popular basis that allow the worst empire on earth to keep its grip on the world and cause immeasurable suffering, and as such are mortal enemies of all actual leftists
>>2457822Sure but anon is doing the standard lib thing of thinking the point of lebensraum (not to mention imperialism) was just about expanding the borders, instead of a bigger ideal of identifying non-Germans as Germans on their behalf and forcibly trying to make them all identify as Germans as part of a wider German nation.
If Kiev happily accepts, no,
demands the Soviet legacy of the Ukrainian SSR's internal borders within the USSR, but won't accept the legacy of the people who live on all the territory they inherit, expresses that it's a matter of Ukraine's *identity* that all must speak Ukrainian and only speak Ukrainian in public, that without that they don't have the "right" to their own language and identity if a Russian one continues to exist on an equal footing, then that is expansionist and in a very fascist ein volk, ein reich, ein furher kind of way.
>>2457752God nafoids are retarded man lmao
>but some members of Azov from 10 years ago displayed fascist symbolsThey are using Nazi symbols right now lol, as an official part of the national army, they still have the wolfangel to this day. Only replacing the sonnerad just 2 years ago due to optics lmao
>>2457846Does Germany think they should be taught about in schools as heroes?
>“It’s very important for the military-patriotic education to know who did what and what came out of it,” Zaluzhny said.>Ukraine, he added, should “set a goal of what it wants from its children in 10 years,” arguing that promoting Azov’s “heroism” would be beneficial.That's the difference and that's from this year, not 10 years ago.
>>2457597>Why are there so many Colombian mercs in Ukraine?Colombia has 7 military "bases" (occupations as "logistics and training" hubs). technically speaking, some segments of the population is brainwashed.
also, drug-related soldiers, foot-soldiers, and grunts are sent as part of a CIA/coordinated operation. to recruit more cannor fodder.
See in my post almost at the beginning what countries voted against the use of mercs, despite the mercs commit more human rights violations because of their role.
>>2457752>Ukraine aren't neo-NaziUse your favorite translator.
Here is an Euromaidan time law enshrining all the Ukrainian Nazi collaborators as national heroes, the honor of which is protected by law. And therefore no institutions of the state (such as education) or foreigners that want to abide by the law are allowed to say anything disreputable about them, such being Nazis/Fascists
https://zakon.rada.gov.ua/laws/show/314-VIII#TextAnd speaking of Nazism. Here is another law from the same time, effectively enshrining "double genocide" into law by formally equating Communism and Nazism and banning the symbols of both. Though predictably, what's originally Nazoid propaganda is only enforced to the benefit of Nazoids and to suppress communists.
https://zakon.rada.gov.ua/laws/show/317-VIII#Text >>2457752
>Ukraine aren't neo-NaziCorrect
>endorsing neo-Nazi groupsI'm pretty sure the Ukrainian government doesn't endorse neo-Nazi groups.
>>2457930 (nta)
another important thing,
that law gave OUN/UPA, Transcarpathia (Carpathian Sich), and "Galizien" division members rights to pensions, recognize them as part of ukraine, regardless of their nationality or legal status.
fucking legal recognition of nazism as "important" for ukraine.
>>2457945The real shocker is the money will be stolen by government elites anyway lmao
At this rate the participants in Intervision are going to record a charity single "Do the Euros know it's Christmas?" or something.
>>2457984Just because you can't believe that
<someone's falling for those obvious lies!!1 It can't be that they are genuine, must be astroturf!!1doesn't mean it's true. This is a common logical fallacy, same one that makes people refuse to engage with text and instead to keep asking if it's a troll. Very common under videos from DPRK, for example - they've been brainwashed by Westoid propaganda, and a collision with actual DPRK, even through video, makes them think that it's DPRK trying to brainwash them
holly shit>>2455657 (cont)
>>2456407 (cont)
>The suspect in Parubiy's murder said he did it out of revenge against the Ukrainian authorities.<He was nearby, Parubiy was nearby; had he lived in Vinnitsa, he would've killed Poroshenko.
>He rejected the version about blackmail by Russian special services.
>If I lived in Vinnytsia, there would have been Poroshenko, he said.
>The man wants to be convicted faster, exchanged for prisoners of war and sent to Russia, where he would search for the body of his dead son. >>2458005Is this reverse lee harvey oswald?
What is the meaning of this?
>>2458005Why is this guy blaming Ukrainian authorities for the war? Doesn't he know that Putin is the imperialist scum who invaded Ukraine to genocide Ukrainians?!?!?!
Seriously though, it's a sad story. Were there more people like this father, there would be no war in the first place
>>2457952>I'm pretty sure the Ukrainian government doesn't endorse neo-Nazi groups.Yes they do. If you read the works of Ukrainian nationalists from early 20th century (pre-WW1), they were more hardcore than even the nazis
>hate your Russian wife>hate your Russian childrenTrust me bro, it was an Austrian project to create from Ukrainians, anti-Russians.
The Ukrainian government supports these groups that follow this ideology.
Putin says Russia doesn't oppose Ukraine joining the EU
"As for Ukraine's membership of the EU, we have never objected to this," Putin told Slovak Prime Minister Robert Fico at talks in China. "As for NATO, this is another issue… Our position here is well known: we consider this unacceptable for ourselves."
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/putin-says-russia-doesnt-oppose-ukraine-joining-eu-2025-09-02/>>2457973I am literally doing the same as these:
>>2457933,
>>2457921,
>>2457916 all me.
see my extension on the post
>>2457930 (N.T.A.)
<another important thing,that law gave OUN/UPA, Transcarpathia (Carpathian Sich), and "Galizien" division members rights to pensions, recognize them as part of ukraine, regardless of their nationality or legal status.
<fucking legal recognition of nazism as "important" for ukraine.
>muh fsb glowies.How's climate in Langley, then?
>>2458019See above.
>>2458014yeah, probably. see when the reporter says "but [parubiy] is opposition" and he sees her like: stupid, you are stupid.
ukrainian people don't buy they are opposition parties. opposition parties were declared illegal by poroshenko and zalya, all communist and socialist parties. there's no opposition at all between nazis and liberals.
>>2458048This is your "besieged democracy" at work.
Fuck em. Still I wonder, they must be poisoning their water or some mossad tier shit.
>>2458096It's an opinion, not a claim dippo
>>2458097>>2458104It will be Chinese technology with stronk soviet-tier robustness
>>2458112you said it before but it does not make it true
>>2458113an opinion still should have some backing other than "i hope so" lad
>>2458138What's prolekult about Labubu?
Now Russian post-punk bands introducing a whole generation to the kino of Кино, that's based
>>2458016>>2458010Oswald said he was a patsy.
This guy admits to shooting parubs.
Imagine if oswald was like:
>"yeah im a marxist and I shot kennedy because im a retard and I dont care that he and khruschev tried to get along. I am actually a trot and I hate when there is peace between america and soviet union. hurr durr read bordiga" >>2458330- Rene Herford, ?, liver failure
- Patrick Tietze, ?: suicide
- Stefan Berendes, 59, suspicious, but police say it seems like a "natural death" for now
- Wolfgang Seitz, 59, suspicious
- Wolfgang Klinger, 71, "natural death"
- Ralph Lange, 66, "natural death"
Crazy life expectancy in Germany drops to like 60 during elections
>>2458381How many candidates does Afd have in that North Rhine-Westphalia election anyway? They elect about 200 people.
How likely it is that AfD will benefit from this? They will have to scramble to fill the spots, but I would think that they will be seen as martyrs by the people?
>>2458723yes, and no. As Moss Robeson is exaplaining,
https://azovlobby.substack.com/p/nazification-of-the-memory-war the modern ABN shares the same ideological strain and can be considered like the continuation of the project of the anti-Bolshevik bloc of nations, but at least from the side of Alfyorov, they follow more closely the path of Pavlo Skoropadsky, another nazi collaborator, that lived in Berlin.
So it's more like a convergence of two strands of nazi collaborationism: the OUN-B/UPA anti-Bolshevism led by people like Stetsko, and the Hetmanites (also, nazi collaborators).
>>2458974Sameanon
The Russian Tzarists are just as guilty of this. The neo-Nazis at least are more honest as they believe they are aryan and shit.
>>2457880No one with a brain can be bothered to post a decent OP since the mods forced it to use /ukr/ instead of /ukraine/.
Many people are saying the mods are KKKrackers.
>>2457892>This is a natlib struggle of a semi-colonial nation.More or less, that's the simplest explanation that covers most of what we are seeing. Not just in Russia but globally. The last 30 years was an attempt to make global capitalism more open, only to require the world becoming more chained. Even Westerners feel it through polarization. This almost naturally created a crisis in the post-communist east as a sensitive fracture in global capitalism only partially settled by late cold war compromising. I think it is sensitive due to prolonged feudalism, collapse of the weak link in imperialism causing a revolution, failure to bring the world together after ww2, and finally implosion and imperialism rushing to fill a power vacuum then dictating to the region. It's just a very poorly integrated region.
What's curious about this war is its roots in the way the rest of the world increasingly fell under despotic global rule with each crisis or failure of capitalist expansion. As the world regressed into abject rule, so did tensions heighten in the sensitive post-Soviet east until they were existential, reaching this breaking point of it deciding whether the world is unipolar or multipolar. I think it's no coincidence that the earliest signs of a return to east-west conflict are in handling of Yugoslavia, Iraq, and Libya. Syria and Ukraine pair for a reason, I think. All of these showed failed attempts to export bourgeois democracy and an increasingly iron grip to hold together where it already spread as the world continued to globalize anyway, creating a contradiction.
I think that contradiction is ultimately why Ukraine was forced into choosing between Europe and Russia in 2013. Also, it was foreshadowed by early difficulties with capitalist expansion. Donbass was developing an antagonism with Kiev almost immediately with economic downturn in 1994, 20 years earlier.
I think blame for this war rests squarely on the West. Hubris about unipolar end of history meant negligence towards problems with the system they were exporting and its self destructive tendencies. China is the biggest example of this, the way it developed seamlessly transitioned from a demonstration of Western superiority to a threat to it. Western states obviously cannot accept their own system undoes itself, it's perfectly democratic after all, so the threat comes from elsewhere. Fighting that scapegoat seems to accelerate self destruction, if Europe is any example.
>>2459496If Ukraine is in it's own words mobilizing now on average 30k new troops month then we could get 1.3 million that have in total been passed through the AFU meatgrinder at the current rate. However the rate of influx has never been stable and is decreasing constantly. In 2022 They had a huge mobilization They jumped from like 300k active to over a million men (Zelensky's million men army). Same in 2023 with attempt to plug the gaps counteroffensiyv. How many Ukrainians have passed through the military 2 million? 4 million? We can see that Ukraine can't mount any offensives so we can deduce that most if not all new recruits are going in to plug the gaps in defence. So the casualty rate is close to recruitment rate. Then 1.7 million dead doesn't seem that unbelievable.
Also we have these anecdotal evidence that Russia whips up thousands of corpses of Ukrainian dead to send over the border and the news that there are barely any active frontline soldier in AFU left who served in 2022. Further support this.
>Ukraine mobilizes up to 30,000 people monthly in ongoing war efforthttps://euromaidanpress.com/2024/07/31/nyt-ukraine-recruits-about-30000-people-into-the-army-monthly/ >>2459591Whichever. Traditionally, in fascism this pomp and ceremony matters not one lick. So people may be forgiven for not keeping up with the intricacies.
At the end of the day, this is the funniest shit, in any case. Abolish your own country in style (the style is nazi). One may also be forgiven for thinking they actually deeply hate their own (country).
Agent Z and all.
>>2459565yeeah.
>>2459591the Verkhovna Rada passes the laws, zelya needs to sign the law. if he doesn't sign it, it's technically repealed.
>>2459454Fucking
CUCKTINwasting his troops in useless BIKE ASSAULTS.
He should be NUKING EVERY CITY and then moving in his soldiers which would be PROTECTED BY ANTI-RADIATION SUITS.
Do drones fucking matter if all their operators are dead because their cities got nuked and there's no one left to operate them? NO.
Fucking useless CUCK IN THE KREMLIN wasting the lives of Russians pointlessly for YEARS ON END.
>>2459727I GUARANTEE IF UKRAINE HAD 10 NUKES DROPPED ON THEIR COUNTRY NO FUCKING UKRAINIAN NATIONALIST WOULD EVER EXIST FOR THE REST OF HUMAN HISTORY.
NO UKRAINIAN RETARD WOULD EVER THINK
>Oh I should become a Banderite! BECAUSE TO BECOME A BANDERITE WOULD MEAN THE ABSOLUTE SHAME OF ACKNOWLEDGING YOUR RETARDED POLITICAL MOVEMENT GOT YOUR HOMELAND BOMBED TO NOTHING AND MILLIONS OF YOUR PEOPLE KILLED FOR NO REASON.
EVERY FUCKING EASTERN EUROPEAN NATIONALIST WOULD SUFFER FROM THAT HUMILIATION FOR CENTURIES.
JUST LIKE HOW JAPAN NOWADAYS REFUSES TO DISOBEY AMERICA, UKRAINE WOULD NEVER
EVERGO FASCIST UNDER RUSSIAN WATCH EVER AGAIN.
https://x.com/RWApodcast/status/1963252932930855212>summary of putin press conference in Beijing:- Legally, Zelensky is a nobody, talking to him is pointless. The Kiev political scene has degraded so much that it’s nearly impossible to find a legitimate representative of the country. But if Zelensky is so eager to talk, he can come to Moscow, we'll figure something out.
- The SMO could be ended very soon if Kiev and the West accept Russia's terms. If not, Russia WILL secure its interests militarily. Kiev's position since 2022 has been "we fight until one of us is dead". Trump can have a positive influence here if he wants to. If not, the Russian army will continue its mission until its military conclusion.
- There was never talk about "trading territory for security guarantees", the process is much more complicated, and Russia will NEVER agree to "security guarantees" for Ukraine at the expense of Russia's security.
- The EU economies are dying, other economies are growing. Trading energy to China is beneficial for both Russia and China, EU can continue to wither. Multipolarity is not an ideology or an aspiration but a fact of life.
>>2460051The Nazis in the 30s weren't invading British colonies
>literally the same mindset.You lack the cognitive ability to have a mindset, let alone understand that of others.
>>2460051You already posted this before. Come up with some new material.
>avaragelol, dumb fuck
>>2460124>but I prefer hardcore delegitimization rhetoricBut it's not rhetoric nor an insult, it's a statement of fact that Zelensky can
talk but he can't meaningfully command or decree the Ukrainian state when they can say the same thing Putin says, that his mandate has long run out and he doesn't have the authority to end the war.
Do anons really think Putin was just doing the meme?
>>2460195>Putin just confirming Cucktinista analysis that he was holding back on energy attacks.Rybar used to speak about that a lot in late 2022 and most of 2023, trying to figure out why the 750k electrical infra was being spared.
Russia has been holding back, but it's hard to imagine Putin personally micromanaging power attacks to that degree. Like, if MoD did cripple Ukraine's power, I doubt Putin would make an angry phone call saying "I told you no 750k infra!!! no 750k!!!"
It seems more like a culture of restraint within the MoD managerial class.
>>2460222Micro-managing would be Putin signing off on individual attacks. He would be signing off on strategy including what classes of assets could be attacked.
He keeps thinking his strong arm tactics of the 2000s are still working. But the Ukrainian state is fanatical, and their Western backers aren’t shying away from confrontation as they did in 2014.
Every major substation, HV transmission line, railroad, and major bridge in eastern Ukraine should have been attacked. Putin and the MOD are fighting this war like Bill Clinton instead of like Soviet strategists would have.
If the AFD really are being killed I wonder what is the method of assassination. Must be either quite advanced or the state is rigging the autopsy report
>>2460308>muh russiagateReddit is that way libtard
>>2460333if they're being targeted i suspect it's a waste of time. if they actually win they'd probably flipflop and keep doing the ukraine project anyway, just like meloni and trump. orbler seems to be the only populist rightoid that actually sticks to his guns after taking power. the rest of them 180 and become neocons anyway.
but the euroids are so obsessed with ukraine and russia maybe they aren't willing to risk it.
>>2460341Many of the base might just be resentful and dumb proles, but many of the leaders have been “crypto” Nazis including westoid aristos.
The eastoid workers could be swayed by BSW or similar, but I think the Wessie elite would rather they supported AfD as they are easier to delegitimise.
>>2460371pretty much zero uggos
man burgerville is ugly
>>2460341mostly, yes. the AfD kicked Andreas Kalbitz for hiding ties with hidden skinheads, the HDJ and Republikaner.
while at the same time it's being used the "anti-semitic" dog whistle that libs love to use to then go and fully support zionism.
>>2460371soon it'll be only teenagers, disabled people, and very old people only. also the professor will be an AI powered tutoring robot.
>until the last ukrainianisn't just rethoric.
>>2460364I mean, I saw it but in this day and age, ya can neva be sure. Satire is well and truly dead. Trump 1, we thought it was dead. We did not know how dead it could truly die.
>>2460427I see a couple and I'm not a picky guy. I'd fuck anyone who's reasonably attractive and in a reasonable age range.
They are bang average.
t. Eurotrash
>>2460355Yeah, I want to expand on the point.
Cui bono can not be used only when you are trying to further some argument or other. In this vein, I would not understand them picking off regional rightoids. Political murder is not (yet) en vogue in the west. Also what would the fundamental motivation be? They are just their own right-wing. Are they so afraid of peace? I don't think that makes too much sense either. All wars end in negotiation. Stupid as they are, eurotrash politicians also must know this. It's already over and it becomes more over every second. So not only do I see no benefit at this time, I see no basic motive.
>>2460476>Are they so afraid of peace?Yes. and they don't think it's over, or aren't willing to admit it yet. they believe the west is simply superior to russia in every way and they must be able to wear them down eventually, they just need to add more pressure, more sanctions, more everything, and/or just hope some black swan event comes along that turns things in their favor. They are currently unwilling to consider accepting defeat and they must keep the war going and increase pressure. If germany were to 'fall' to the rightoids it's possible they might abandon the ukraine project or pull back on it, which then decreases the needed pressure and prevent the west's victory.
This is how the euros think. They are obsessed with ukraine almost to the exclusion of anything else and they view internal dissent as treason, impermissible and existential for the project. They flagrantly rigged elections in moldova and romania to prevent dissent emerging. keeping germany in line is even more important, so i could see more extreme measures.
not saying they did it, but i do see plausible motive and a pattern of behavior taken to next level. wouldn't rule anything out.
>>2460091>The Nazis in the 30s weren't invading British coloniesTIL the world wars weren't between developed countries
Anything to avoid concluding the global class system that unfolded since is in conflict. You ever notice libs just recycle old pre hegemony history to make since of problems today
It's an alternative to believing the last organized progressive class sputtered out, imo
>>2460371"I just know things"
He's obvious fucking the girl closest to him (butterfly tattoo), but I suppose that could be his actual girlfriend/wife or a faculty member.
The qt in the black with the black necklace wants to fuck him.
The two most prominent guys at the back (heads sticking up) are virgins and go home in misery every day for a vigorous pounding of their meat.
>>2460581 (me)
>obvious obviously*
>>2460476i reckon they can induce heart attacks and 'natural death', they probably killed the 3d gun guy too, JStark.
My tinfoil-hat theory for this goes back to the RAF and the Stammheim Prison murders, not wanting a scandal like this again i believe the German state put much resources in to developing and operationalising such methods of killing so as to make it look accidental or self-inflicted to medical responders and autopsists.
>>2460861>What is the megacuck going to do about it? Absolutely nothing.There's nothing to do. Security guarantees
post-war are meaningless if Putin doesn't cuck by leaving the Zelensky/Zaluzhny Bandera squad in power.
>>2460861What are megacucks going to do? Absolutely nothing.
What are Langley keyboard warriors ITT going to do? Talk about how Russia will collapse at some point next century and start circlejerking about random unrelated stuff for days
>>2460861Ukraine has already collapsed. It is a neonazi sympathizer state with a Frankenstein-ed national identity built from Nazi-collaborator foundations, into a single purpose of warring Russia. It a Vlasovite state all around.It is also hollowed out by neoliberal reform even further than before and anything good that comes through the Ukrainian state also carries the unspoken compromise to, at some point, use it to go to war again. The same unwinnable proxy war for NATO as now.
That said, Cucktin's government is as much an accomplice as NATO in all the workers harmed by this war. The RF just happens to be on the winning side of this war and the decay of US hegemony in general. If only the RF had actually collapsed… but then again the CPRF are the bigger cucks even, and would back the next Yeltsin instead of doing anything useful.
>>2460949>That said, Cucktin's government is as much an accomplice as NATO in all the workers harmed by this war.I hate to go to bat for a bourgeoisie, but that's objectively not true if you consider what the 90s for Russia was like, a Russian comprador bourgeoisie that was amiable towards American and European imperialism. I know it's the attitude of plenty of flagfags and namefags on this board that you cannot and should not draw a difference between different national bourgeoisie, but the 90s in Russia and the current day in Ukraine proves that a nationalist bourgeoisie is
preferable to a comprador bourgeoisie.
>WASHINGTON, Sept 4 (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump told European leaders on Thursday that Europe must stop buying Russian oil that he said is helping Moscow fund its war against Ukraine, a White House official said, striking a combative tone amid slow diplomatic progress to end the fighting.Trump joined a call of the "Coalition of the Willing" countries, led by French President Emmanuel Macron, who were meeting on security guarantees for Kyiv in the event of a peace deal with Russia.
"President Macron and European leaders called President Trump into their ‘Coalition of the Willing’ meeting. President Trump emphasized that Europe must stop purchasing Russian oil that is funding the war - as Russia received 1.1 billion euros in fuel sales from the EU in one year," the official said.
Trump also said in the call that "European leaders must place economic pressure on China for funding Russia’s war efforts," the official said.
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/trump-pressures-european-leaders-over-russian-oil-purchases-white-house-official-2025-09-04/Where are the trump is based shills at?
>>2461250depending on the Sandinista. the brazilian one? the weird version that recently popped up? the OLD based Sandianon?
the brazilian one got eaten by some hohol, and he emerged from the azovite chest screaming cuuuuckteeen.
the one that recently popped up is normal, for now.
the old one disappeared mid-2024.
https://27khv.substack.com/p/power-of-siberia-2-the-eus-greatest?
>There are moments in history when you can almost hear the hinge creak and Tuesday's news that Russia and China have finally signed a binding agreement on the Power of Siberia 2 (a 50 billion cubic metre pipeline through Mongolia carrying Arctic gas eastward) is one of them.
>Unlike the existing line out of Irkutsk, which feeds off reserves to the north of Mongolia, this new artery will carry the Yamal fields, the same gas that helped keep Germany's factories humming for half a century. What once fuelled Western Europe’s rise will now stoke Beijing’s ambitions as a scheme long stalled by Chinese wariness suddenly becomes reality. Maybe Beijing has finally decided to heed its own ancient proverb: distant water cannot quench a nearby thirst.
>Putin, closing out his China trip on Wednesday, underlined the point. Gas through Power of Siberia 2, he said, will be sold at market rates, with no “friendship discounts” for Beijing, whatever the Western press insists. Of course, “market rates” in Beijing’s lexicon are a different animal and the Chinese will try to drive them down toward their own domestic benchmarks.
>It’s hard to exaggerate how much the map tilts with this shift, because for decades Russian gas was the bedrock of Germany’s might as an exporter and the hidden muscle that gave Western Europe its edge. For example, this fuel ran at an average of €13–22 per megawatt hour in the last "normal years" of 2018 and 2019. By contrast, in the first half of this year, the same benchmark was €41. Brussels can roar about values and thunder on about sanctions till its lungs give out, but numbers don’t bend to rhetoric.
>Nevertheless, the sceptics have a point because fifty billion cubic metres is a sliver beside the 150-odd bcm Gazprom used to pump west each year. China won’t fill the EU’s shoes overnight, but the real shift here is in leverage. Western Europe has lost not just the gas but its standing as Moscow’s anchor customer and that mantle now slips easily to Beijing; on terms Berlin would have killed for. It’s another old proverb brought to life: hoist a rock in rage, only to let it fall on your own foot.[…]
>>2461250i'm busy irl with work stuff, haven't been posting much but i still read to keep up with events
>>24608612 more weeks for the cuckallition of the willy to defeat russia 😭😭😭😭
https://x.com/RWApodcast/status/1963252932930855212Putin said a lot at the press conference in Beijing. The most important things I would sum up as follows (I am not quoting directly):
- Legally, Zelensky is a nobody, talking to him is pointless. The Kiev political scene has degraded so much that it’s nearly impossible to find a legitimate representative of the country. But if Zelensky is so eager to talk, he can come to Moscow, we'll figure something out.
- The SMO could be ended very soon if Kiev and the West accept Russia's terms. If not, Russia WILL secure its interests militarily. Kiev's position since 2022 has been "we fight until one of us is dead". Trump can have a positive influence here if he wants to. If not, the Russian army will continue its mission until its military conclusion.
- There was never talk about "trading territory for security guarantees", the process is much more complicated, and Russia will NEVER agree to "security guarantees" for Ukraine at the expense of Russia's security.
- The EU economies are dying, other economies are growing. Trading energy to China is beneficial for both Russia and China, EU can continue to wither. Multipolarity is not an ideology or an aspiration but a fact of life.
https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/nato-warns-of-european-recruitment-crisis-despite-record-military-spending/NATO Warns of European Recruitment Crisis Despite Record Military Spending
>NATO’s latest report shows how, while almost all member states have already met the 2% defense spending target relative to their GDP, the European Armed Forces are facing a serious personnel problem. The Atlantic Alliance warns that several national armies are unable to replace losses or meet new operational needs, which is threatening to undermine Europe’s military credibility in a context of growing tensions with Russia and U.S. pressure to reinforce the eastern flank.
>The country that has reacted most clearly to this trend is Germany. Chancellor Friedrich Merz’s government approved a bill to reinstate military service in a mixed format this week: initially voluntary, but with the option to reintroduce compulsory service in case of emergency. The measure responds to the Bundeswehr’s difficulty in attracting recruits in a competitive labor market and the fact that the German army, with 186,400 troops, must expand its capabilities if it wants to meet NATO commitments.
>Berlin could become the reference point for other European states. The combination of demographic aging, the declining appeal of the military career, and a radical change like war forces governments to consider unpopular reforms. In Brussels’s diplomatic circles, there is already talk of a ‘domino effect’ that could spread in the coming years to countries such as France, Poland, or even Italy, where replacement rates are increasingly low.
>NATO identifies a cross-cutting phenomenon: the lack of interest among young people in enlisting. One factor noted by experts is the perception that modern warfare has lost its ‘human’ and camaraderie dimension, replaced by the growing prominence of drones and artificial intelligence on the battlefield. Testimonies from soldiers deployed in Ukraine indicate that the massive use of unmanned systems increases the sense of vulnerability and reduces the motivation to sign up for combat missions.
>Added to this is salary competition: in many countries, a newly graduated lieutenant earns less than a police officer or customs agent in comparable conditions. NATO notes that although defense budgets have grown significantly since 2022, much of this increase goes to equipment purchases and technological programs, while investment in personnel is reduced.
>As we’ve previously pointed out, the low interest in enlisting also points to a significant cultural shift in Europe, where Brussels’ policies have steadily eroded national identity. For years, many national governments—shaped by post-national ideologies—have portrayed patriotism as something suspect, often equating it with the ‘far right’ or even fascism. Yet today, these same governments appear to expect citizens to enlist en masse and be ready to defend not only their countries, but an amorphous ‘Europe’ that most have no innate loyalty to.
>The report highlights a clear gap between countries. While Poland has doubled its forces in just a decade, from 99,000 to 233,800 troops, other Western states show the opposite trend. The United Kingdom has lost 30,600 personnel in the same period, Italy 12,300, and Spain 3,600, placing them among the three European countries with the most significant drop in manpower.
>France maintains a solid base with more than 200,000 service members but struggles to sustain its expeditionary forces in Africa and the Middle East. Greece and Turkey, for their part, show a more stable situation thanks to the tradition of compulsory military service. However, in Turkey’s case, the figures also respond to a context of strong domestic nationalism.
>The return of the conscription debate threatens to open a new political front in Europe. In Germany, the Greens and Liberals have already voiced their reservations, while in France, President Emmanuel Macron resists reviving a model of universal conscription abandoned more than twenty years ago. Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez’s government has ruled out any similar measure in Spain, although experts warn that the country faces the same demographic and motivational challenges as its neighbors.
>The report concludes that, unless the trend is reversed, Europe could in a few years have armies better equipped than ever, but incapable of deploying in sustained operations due to a lack of human personnel. https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2025/09/02/eu-sets-military-spending-record-expects-more-growth-in-2025/
>BERLIN — The European Union collectively spent €343 billion ($402 billion) on defense last year, exceeding projections and setting a new record, according to a new report by the European Defense Agency.
>The agency said it expected defense spending to increase further in 2025 to €381 billion ($446 billion).
>The bloc’s total defense spending in 2024 exceeds China’s by about one-and-a-half times, and is more than three times as high as Russia’s military budget. Only the United States has higher military expenditures. The figure represented 1.9% of the bloc’s GDP, and a 19% increase over the previous year.
>The high level of defense spending is driven primarily by countries’ purchasing of new equipment, as well as by increased research and development funding across the EU’s 27 members. Both combined are collectively referred to as “defense investments” in EU parlance, as opposed to the money spent on troop salaries or upkeep of facilities.
>Investment accounted for 31% of total defense spending, or €106 billion ($124 billion), of which €13 billion ($15 billion) was used on R&D. Equipment purchases were up 39% year over year, the EDA calculated; research and development, meanwhile, grew 20%. >>2461485lol reactionary cope blaming Muh Brussels!
Volunteer recruitment was poor during the Cold War except in Britain, which was a shit hole. There was widespread skepticism in NATO about the Bundeswehr, with the expectation that a large amount of conscripts would just surrender.
>>2461568True, and the historical revisionism these days surrounding it is wild. People were dodging conscription in western Europe during the cold war era. No one had an appetite for world war, and the prediction was that if the Warsaw Pact invaded, the only way to stop them was to nuke all of Germany.
>>2461488>$446 billionStrange. It was ~230 billion five years ago. Add in the Ukraine spending ($70 billion a year, including financial assistance and refugee aid) and it looks like we're now at almost ~$300 billion a year and rising.
No money for social services though.
FYI, with that kind of spending the EU could have build a high speed rail network rivaling that of China in about ~3 years. Could also have build the equivalent of Shenzhen.
>>2460080I long assumed they were holding back because of "wait for Trump" and because they thought they might still get a deal. But that's over now. Zelensky has ruled out land swaps.
>No recognition of any occupied territories>No peace agreement>Immediate introduction of NATO troops from up to dozens of countries upon achieving a ceasefire>Reparations (hundreds of billions of $) and no sanctions relief>NATO like security guarantees>No change is the status of the Russian language in UkraineSo looks like it's most definitely ovyir for the peace track. And
>>2460947 tells me Trump might blame the EU for blowing up his peace initiative.
>>2461687Surely they were holding back for the same reason Russia didn't blow up Nord Stream, Ukrainian energy "infrastructure" is just siphoning off gas and oil from Russian pipelines that go through it.
But now Ukraine has decided it prefers to make enemies of the Slovaks and Hungarians by attacking those pipelines than continue to collect transport fees and siphoning off the gas, there's little reason for Russia to avoid attacking what is essentially their own links to the EU energy market.
>>2461864If you abolish europe, there is nothing for evil Putin to invade.
Ok critical support to Trump in making old europe an irrelevance to such a degree that it won't be a threat anymore for a century.
>>2461964I was about to post that. Why was it deleted? Was it fake? It's on Geromanat's Xitter.
I hope Modi and Indian officials just keep ignoring him instead of taking the re-engagement bait and getting all defensive (how the inept Kremlin boomers got all defensive when Blumpf recently accused them of conspiring with China against America at the SCO meet).
>>2461383The death of Americunt Empire is cool and all but EVropa (the joke is they do not have competitive EV either) in crises mode is just hilarious. One might even feel bad for them, if they didn't exclusively did all of this to themselves.
I cannot decide who I want to collapse (harder) earlier. Well, fun fact, I am actually located in one of them, so personally I do hope for the other, a bit.
>>2462031Ukraine in NATO status? Have the LPR and DPR been liberated yet by the AFU? Are eurolibs having brunch in Crimea?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27035196>16 April 2014So when exactly does the winning start?
>Kaja Kallas claims that the USSR winning the second world war against the Nazis is "news to her" and that the claim is a result of people not reading books nor understanding history
So the EU is now essentially rewriting history on an official level and it makes sense to me now why they made an Estonian the head of foreign policy, it's because there's plausible deniability when you use someone from a nation that is small and frankly irrelevant. That way, you get to have your cake and eat it, when she is making such bold statements with people who actually haven't read books then they can take her at face value as a kind of yass kween David and Goliath figure putting Russia in its place over its false recollection of history.
But for people who have read books, well she's a nobody who once lead a literally who nation, it's not such a big deal that they have a false interpretation of history because no one expects Estonia to ever be of enough importance for that to matter.
The leader of Finland is doing the same thing, claiming that Finland defeated the Soviets in WW2, but again they were neutral from the end of WW2 to only a couple of years ago (I wonder why) so Finland is hardly expected to have any true relevance thus they can say whatever they want.
Like, imagine if the US, UK, France or Germany started making those claims, hearing the "big boys" talking nonsense would intrinsically make people concerned that they're being lead by people who have lost their marbles.
>>2462427I still don't understand why those countries in eastern europe that got occupied and forced at gunpoint into conscripting for the eastern front still think that was preferable to being saved by the URSS whereas like the french fucking ressented the occupation so much they did public lynchings of collaborators in the streets when they got liberated.
did the Cia immediatly took control of the finnish governement at the end of world war 2,while being occupied by the URSS ? how does that happen ?
>>2462548It has more to do with nato making itself a safehouse for all those former nazis and eastern europe's dependence on nato for economic viability post 1991.
Estonia has less than 3 million people in it iirc and a full third of which are ethnic Russians. Much like Ukraine nazi ideology has to reign no matter what because it's not viable as an eu state otherwise.
>>2462031You're obviously mad about the latest news, NAFO fella:
BREAKINGRussian forces have captured the strategically significant B1-5CB134 fire hydrant in Donetsk.
>>2462704>Estonia has less than 3 million people1.4 million. Lithuania has just under 3 million.
The whole baltics has about 5 million people. They are literally nothing.
>>2462427I saw that
I'd say she's retarded but it's obvious this is all due to the western retelling of WW2. They have created one narrative that shifts culpability for WW2 while exaggerating their role in victory, connects it to the cold war as the unfinished battle against the second totalitarianism that caused the war, and makes sense of unipolarity as democratic dominance over the European totalitarian twins plus varied forms of authoritarianism in backward developing/post-communist states
It's a sign the world's liberal democracies are poisoned by imperialist logic and roots in colonialism. They fundamentally have to deny the origin of the world wars in a crisis of their system, extract a democratic victory from a reactionary inter-imperialist war, and make it enduring through reasserting imperialist rule over the world. Democracy battles move from being with crowned heads to jackboots then reds then tinpot third world dictators.
I think there is a decline in democracy with each step, it's increasingly removed from the progressive rise of the bourgeoisie over the premodern past and instead defined by enforcing its global rule. First by sorting out its divisions with the world wars, second by cleaning up the revolutions that filled the void of Imperial collapse, and third by reenslaving postcolonial states.
With each step democracy increasingly is not the peoples freedom but more the rule of an oppressive global class. I think this necessarily obscures the experiences of swathes of the world population in WW2, including those nations that suffered the most like Russia and China, in order to center the West
But in a few words Kaja Kallas is showing why the West has no business governing the world
>>2462790Isn't it more likely that's an explanation for why Russia doubts a negotiation would be successful? Because that depends on a level of trust that was lost by that play?
>>2462997Absolutely, as I've said previously, they're no longer able to justify their leadership with tangible material improvements and progression to neither their own constituents nor the world at large (even though that was all based on Imperialism, defectors from Eastern Europe and Gusanos seemed to either not be aware of that or more likely not care), they therefore fall back on "values" that justify their leadership which are pure idealism, very pick and mix and often contradictory with reality.
They can be as nice as "democracy" or they can be as mean as "national purity", if they present this particular conflict as something they're heavily invested in because of their
value of opposing Nazism (rather than for a nation like Russia where opposing Nazism or any kind of hostile western ideology is a very material concern) despite some very contradictory signs coming out of Ukraine itself, then it simply won't do that Russia can point to the Eastern Front and say that's why they're not fucking around when Ukrainians want to start throwing out Nazi salutes and demanding NATO armaments. History just has to be rewritten so that the supposed western value of being against Nazism is as true now as it was absolutely true in the 1930s *wink*, Russia is just pretending to have values, but only we're orderly, intelligent, honourable enough to have values.
>>2463034I find the values thing just infuriating
Von Der Leyen, Kalas, etc lecturing about a rules based order, the blindspot for a global dictatorship their own member states and former partners (Georgia) are rubbing against. It's bourgeois in a proudly ignorant way
Not to mention the genocide in Gaza
The Ukraine war has progressed such that Ukraine itself and its neighbors are losing interest in fighting forever. It's just stressed political centers in Europe's great nations, now abandoned by DC
It looks embarrassing. Reinforced vassalage to the US, pointlessly alienating necessary economic partners in Russia and China, clashing with popular will in parts of Europe, sacrificing Ukraine to prevent a Russian invasion of Europe that was never happening
All of it is couched in values built on riches extracted from the world…yet now the defense of those values sacrifice the riches
You get the impression of a very advanced political class, even by our standards, who are more liberal than ever but also more useless. No solutions
The only signal I read is some arrogant attitude of "you reject us? You must hate human rights, which means you lose automatically bc your people subvert you from within and our soft power is inevitable"
If anyone undermines this = Russian etc stooge
This was always the response to Russians in Ukraine rejecting the EU. They might as well have been rejecting the Enlightenment.
It looks like a retreat into outdated ideology that never properly assessed the capitalist epoch anyway. I think democracy died when its enemies became developing countries, European periphery states, and the western petit bourgeoisie
Democracy feels like it became pure class warfare directed at problems created by such warfare going into overdrive with post cold war globalization
Makes you wonder where this goes if it doesn't stop, and that ironically ignorant retreat into detached liberal values means it probably doesn't
>>2463047Oh and now the west pointlessly alienates India too…everything is fine
You know there is an absurdity here, we stood here for decades after the cold war concluding the natty booj is largely collaborationist and just wants to do business
I think we are left scratching our heads as to how one fucks this up. Or munching on popcorn
>>2462833Kek
Gibe the original
>>2463049well yes,they want to do business,but the US want india to unilaterally stop trade with their biggest trade partner and punish them for not suiciding their economy,forcing them even more to trade with China.
the USA just go full napoleon trying to stop all their vassal and tributaries from trading with the "ennemies" and the result is the same as the original.
>>2463062Yes, this is it. The West is in crisis both economically and ideologically and they are pushing periphery natty booj too hard.
And that was before Trump came out with a plan that essentially cannibalises even the EU to fund America.
>>2463122Next up: we meant to destroy our financial dominance
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/8/30/russias-putin-denounces-financial-neo-colonialism-on-eve-of-china<Russia’s Putin denounces financial ‘neo-colonialism’ on eve of China visit>“It is essential to end the use of finance as an instrument of neo-colonialism, which runs counter to the interests of the Global Majority"He redeemed himself in my eyes by connecting to the rest of the world. Neither Westernization nor Russia as a world of its own. A link in the chain of emerging economies
>>2463131They have nothing to gain over in Moscow by forcing millions of refugees to return to Ukraine.
Ukronationalist though (Including Azov who have grown to control 40,000-80,000 frontline troops) do.
>>2463047>Makes you wonder where this goes if it doesn't stop, and that ironically ignorant retreat into detached liberal values means it probably doesn'tBarbarism most likely, I think it won't be like something out of Mad Max or Nineteen-Eighty Four, but more boring than that.
I think it will be similar to Ukrainian nationalism in that there will be a version of history that portrays themselves as not losers, but victims taken advantage of by the "totalitarian" states who had the "privilege" of not needing to abide by values or rules like they themselves did, therefore violence and hatred is one's duty until the wrongs of our very correct and factual history have been righted, only then can we hope for the virtues of having values to return.
>>2463131If the murders are connected somehow, it might not be their nationality. It's no secret that a lot of these female refugees enter the sex-work industry. There could be non-Ukrainian victims that are being ignored because it's too 'boring' for the headlines and because the connection isn't obvious yet.
If they are being targeted for nationality, might not even be ideological. A serial killer might be scrolling through dating apps or something looking for targets claiming to be from Ukraine, perceiving them as less likely to be noticed missing.
>>2463137 (me)
Apparently the recent one was some homeless dude on a train. The 'connected' scenario becomes a lot more elaborate, involving payoffs, etc. I highly doubt it. I'd bet on the media selecting these stories because they seem 'interesting' among the American murder culture.
>>2463137>>2463138In the video shown, it appears she worked at a pizzeria and the report suggests there's no prior connection between the culprit and the victim, that being said, it does seem implausible that this can all be connected even despite the similar profile of each case involving a young, female Ukrainian and an ethnic minority attacker.
Honestly, it's probably a sociological issue, most refugees are going to live in the same deprived regions as minorities who are also not getting access to mental health treatment, they may be singled out for simply being different or perhaps for being attractive as Ukrainians tend to be, which is not uncommon for the criminally insane. And the attacker is clearly demonstrating some kind of emotional distress leading up to the attack, he looked schizophrenic.
>>2463146I regret seeing it even with the version I saw cutting just before she's actually stabbed, the attack was so sudden, intentional and unprovoked with literally no one intervening. It's a grim reminder that you never know who is sitting near you in public.
>>2463156Usually such things are "internal". Like violence among european refugees/migrants etc.
Everyone and no one (possibly) has some sort of motive. I'd bank on (ukrainian?) rightoids as per usual.
>>2463148American murder culture is even less ideological (or even coherent) than yuro. I feel, at least, with the proliferation of schizoism and such.
Example: on the american spectrum Trump would be on the low end in terms of schizo-grade.
Near to the well-adjusted normal person.
my man Diesen got an interview with Wolff.
>>2463281and if that's her, imagine the rest of the "civilized" (a.k.a. the gardeners) world.
>>2463287He's also talked to Radhika Desai. Many times he's interviewed Michael Hudson too
For a realist he talks to Marxists often
Which is impressive, he's connecting his ideas about liberal hegemony requiring inequality of sovereignty and unipolarity vs multipolarity to neoliberalism and capitalism. Going beyond Mearsheimer.
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