In Kiev, after a Russian strike, the chief engineer of the Patriot air defense system Sakun was killed
In Kiev, after a Russian strike, the chief engineer of the Patriot air defense system unit, Denis Sakun, was killed. This follows from a petition on the website of the President of Ukraine Vladimir Zelensky.
He was approached by a relative of the deceased Yana Sakun, who demanded to be awarded the military title of Hero of Ukraine.
She writes that Denis Sakun was the chief engineer of the "anti-aircraft missile unit operating the latest air defense system."
"During the massive rocket attack on Kiev, Lieutenant Colonel Sakun was on combat duty as part of a combat crew. The unit destroyed several ballistic missiles, one of which was supposed to hit the SAM positions. As a result of falling debris, a fire broke out. Despite the deadly threat, the officer personally rushed to save the equipment and put out the fire. Due to the detonation of the warhead of the downed missile, Denis Sakun was killed," the petition says.
>The battery shot down a ballistic missile aimed at it. Unfortunately the war head of the destroyed missiles fell onto the Patriot battery and exploded.
>>2464350It's listed as a "mid stream" bridge here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_crossings_of_the_DnieperI don't know which ones have the most significance logistically. Nor do I know which ones folks are usually talking about when they complain that the bridges are still intact.
>>2464414I'm sure it's more civilian logistics that would get cut off, but then I'm also sure the Ukrainians think with enough starvation and bombs Crimeans would switch sides.
That's basically been their hope the entire time they were shelling Donetsk and Lugansk as well.
>>2464457>Well yes otherwise we'd also be throwing in 1000 North Koreans + hundreds of thousands of people from African countries into the Russian casualty count but we don't.So your point is that you're graciously avoiding further fantasy, in exchange for us not counting NATO-origin soldiers in the Ukrainian military when the Ukrainians themselves said only those with experience need apply?
But you've just introduced us to your fantasy, so deals off.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_TigersWikipedia fucked up, for some reason it's listing country and allegiance as the Republic of China AND the United States?
Those men became Chinese the second they flew their American aircraft to China.
As I've said in the last few threads, the discussion for pro-Ukrainians has regressed since this summer "offensive" when by the hitherto narrative, that shouldn't have been possible.
We're now back to the early days of 2022 when assumptions were that Russia was going to easily overpower the Ukrainians and thus the narrative needed counter that with
>Gore vids
>If a gore vid has more than 5 KIA, then compare it to historic massacres like the Highway of Death or Human Wave tactics
>Avoiding discussing Ukrainian losses at all, even if you have to essentially present that as an irrelevancy
>Suggest the conflict has been effortless, painless, lossless for NATO because their repeated attempts to insert their militaries openly into the conflict under the childish expectation they'd have diplomatic immunity have failed
>A pointless need to make the case that Ukrainian state-level support for Neo-Nazism is both entirely Russian propaganda and normal and acceptable because most nations contain at least some admirers of Hitler.
Cucktin-ism was entirely founded on the basis that the Ukrainians were going to win through attrition and that Russia needed to do something desperate to prevent that, this was widely understood within Russia and Putin alone was refusing to do what was needed to be done, i.e nook lovov. That no longer flies when Russia, who was supposedly losing thousands of men a day, supposedly could rustle up enough additional manpower for a "summer counter-offensive" that had a notable effect at the front.
>>2464474No, the original Cucktinista was Iron Felix who was angered that Putin's soft strategy was getting more Russians killed then was necessary and would draw the war out by years.
It is now years later and the Russians are only just now attacking targets they should have attacked three years ago.
>>2464470>Ukraine collapsing any minute now right fren?Yes, ukraine hasn't collapsed therefore Ukraine isn't losing the war and the West isn't declining. Just two more weeks of holding out before Russia collapses and unipolarity is restored
Keep coping
>>2464470>>2464476It doesn't really matter when it happens, because when it eventually does, there's already cope ready to go
>x years instead of 3 days>Russian economy also felt the effect of conflict>Galicia holds!>Ukranians are suffering because of corruption, not because the war was a really, really bad idea for them>This or that splinter faction doesn't represent Ukrainians, Ukrainians still respect the Trident>>2464477>Putin's soft strategy was getting more Russians killed then was necessary and would draw the war out by years.Yeah but again that still assumes that a "soft strategy" involves carelessness with your own soldiers rather than risk aversion, it still assumes that Ukraine are successfully attriting many thousands of Russian soldiers a day and that only stops when you make a "surprise" attack on Kiev, as though a direct assault on the capital so close to the Belarussian border could ever be a surprise, anything less is choosing to let the attrition of thousands of soldiers a day to go on for many more years thus more deaths than necessary.
It's taking on the General Sherman attitude that war is war and the most humanitarian thing you can do is accept that and fight with brutality unrestrained to shorten the length of the war, granted the American Civil War ended in like four years but that was four years of Union losses exceeding that of the Confederacy with aggressive tactics and the relentless bombardment of towns and settlements resulting in southern folk still honouring the flag and leaders of the Confederacy, which may become important some day in the same way Banderism did.
If the war is attritional in that to win, the Union had to kill around 94,000 Confederate soldiers to get them to back down, then that's not dependent on time, trying to arbitrarily achieve that in four years is what resulted in around 110,000 Union losses when they had the superiority in men, artillery, manufacture, economy, global support, etc.
>>2464118Gotta give it to them. That's a lot of words for "a patriot battery got clapped with loss of personnel". These people give Baghdad Bob a run for his money.
>>2464434I once again request your assistance with an urgent math problem
>>2464407Please help me NAFO: What is 2025-2014? I can't figure it out!
>>2464500Nah man it's the difference between feeling like you've been humiliated and feeling like you've humiliated yourselves. But tbh that's likely more the attitude you have going into war than the end result, if the "south rises" because they feel disrespected or betrayed by the yankees, then shelling the fuck out of towns and destroying infrastructure does little dissuade people that rising was a mistake and a fair alternative (by their standards at least) was likely.
Ukraine like so many fascists in history made big claims to itself about its own strength and entitlements
along side its narrative of victimhood, mindlessly shelling civilians would just legitimise the victimhood angle and overshadow the fact that from 2014 to 2022, they were practically gagging for war with Russia under the assumption they'd win and take back Crimea, Donbass, Lugansk, etc
>>2464511>Nah man it's the difference between feeling like you've been humiliated and feeling like you've humiliated yourselves.The latter comes with enough humiliation. See the difference between Germany after WWI and after WWII. Ukrainian self-governance needs to be removed for generations until enough education is done to destroy the very concept of Ukrainian nationalism.
>shelling the fuck out of towns and destroying infrastructure does little dissuade people that rising was a mistakeNot shelling civilians. But destroying industrial society and governance in Ukraine.
The only reason Putin is starting on that now is because the Ukrainians are trying to do it to Russia.
>>2464517>The latter comes with enough humiliation.I'm not sure that's true, considering shock and awe never won any hearts or minds during the war on terror.
>See the difference between Germany after WWI and after WWII. I don't get your point here, because WW1 ended with a treaty considered humiliating for Germany, while WWII ended with Hitler fighting to the bitter end and ensuring Germany essentially self-destructs by using child soldiers and destroying their own infrastructure.
>Ukrainian self-governance needs to be removed for generations until enough education is done to destroy the very concept of Ukrainian nationalism.You'll never remove the desire from people to self-govern, what you can do is ensure they come to despise what Banderites claimed Ukrainian self-governance is.
>The only reason Putin is starting on that now is because the Ukrainians are trying to do it to Russia.Also not quite true because Cucktin posters took such attacks on energy infrastructure within Russia as more evidence that Putin needs to do something drastic but wasn't.
>>2464554Everybody not advocating for nuking the west is a traitor of the people
Simple as
>>2464555>or a war of extermination on their own people by fighting to the last hohol.That's how they present it now but that's very much a downgrade compared to their previous stance as demonstrated in that video of Poroshenko ranting about forcing kids in donbass to live underground. Eventually it's going to become clear that the "extermination" of Ukraine will be orchestrated in Kiev, not Moscow.
Besides, when people rhetorically talk about dying on their feet rather than living their knees they're still imagining a quick death of sorts, not being forced to stand on their feet until it's agonising.
>>2464570The common thread with these pictures is showing a completely in-tact oil refinery with some smoke and fire, that's the unfortunate reality of drones used in these attacks, the trade off to being small, field-assembled, able to be smuggled into Russia itself tucked away in a lorry, avoiding radar detection during flight, etc, is they have the explosive power of maybe a HE tank shell and you can get somewhere between 1 to 5 of them on target in an attack. Whereas the Ukrainians claimed up to 86 tons of explosives were dropped on Ukraine last night.
The main purpose of these attacks is psychological, but you already knew that.
>>2464186>>2464118Highly advanced cope.
Bravo NATO we love you.
>The operation was a success. Every one on our side was wiped out. >>2464633The last European solar panel manufacturer just went bankrupt last week. The last major European battery cell manufacturer went bankrupt 2 months ago and just had its assets bought by a Californian venture capital start-up.
What the eff are you talking about?
>>2464636>>2464638cry about it ziggers
EU solar capacity skyrocketed after putin's retarded invasion
>>2464676So fucking what? If no one got got, it's just a useless building.
I am all for assassinating the Banderite regime in toto but why are you excited about this in the first place?
>>2464693That is such a terrible analogy, I just have to reply. Putting aside the fact that we can make alternative plans. Personally, after such an experience I'd opt to go drinking. Is there no other accommodation in the general vicinity? But ok, stay with it
I would not be particularly interested in what happens to the building. These are two separate issues.
And I certainly would not assume the evacuation was a terroristic attack meant to ruin my evening specifically.
>>2464633>EU invested massively into renewable energy and avoided a freezeYea that'll solve deindustrialization and energy prices.
The continent is falling behind the world, not just economically but diplomatically. All while it divides itself
>>2464817https://libcom.org/article/war-anarchism Seems like *puts on glasses*
For them, NAFO was the mainline to FAFO
I just found this in another thread and was, let's say, impressed.
Mother Anarchy loves her children.
Miracle of miracles - the last true son of anarchy in the west, Bill
>>2464186yeah, first time I read about it was funny. what were they trying to accomplish with the statement? that the "orcish" weapons aren't a success? or were they trying to portrait that person as a hero?
I am not up for giving more deep thoughts to the nato's shenanigans.
>>2464820Gerans have been precise enough for a long time to hit the D bridges, as have Russian missiles. For whatever reasons of military strategy or political concerns, it wasn't done.
Maybe Russia isn't happy about NATO getting loud again about the post-piss troop deployments or moving Ukraine's manufacturing rear to Denmark.
>>2464810>All government buildingsUkraine would but can't.
Russia can but won't.
The duality of man.
>>2464866There was also that time, I think even earlier, when a Ukrainian drone crashed into a skyscraper in Moscow City and nafoids claimed it
wasn't anything like 9/11 was aimed at some Russian government office for economics and thus a legitimate target as economic warfare, even if the building was shared with civilian offices.
>>2464916>How is Ukraine's economy keep growingIt's not and infinite money injections, cooked stats and outright lies are the reason the appearance of it.
In all respects Ukraine doesn’t have an economy. western money goes in, it's all wasted on keeping the war effort, local corruption schemes and government afloat. In all respects the money flows back out of the country in the pockets of western weapons manufacturers and luxury brands and whatever else they import. Whatever economic activity happens in Ukraine is agriculture, services and boutique level weapons assembly from Western and Chinese parts all of it subsidised by gibs.
>>2464916I take more seriously the admissions of the puppeteers.
but hey, anyone can cope believing that ukraine isn't a proxy state.
>>2465324>Stop taking American jobsLmao. These people really thought Chinese/Indians were mentally deficient and would never develop to develop “high skill” industries.
This attitude would be fine from some irrelevant European statelet like the Bundes republic, but they so self-defeating from the American hegemon.
>>2464720Victory has always meant: Retaking Crimea, retaking the LPR/DPR, and joining NATO.
Don't come here pretending it was ever about preventing Ruzzia from taking "Kyiv in 3 days" or making sure the orcs win "slowly". Especially when many of us recall early 2022 when the demands were extended to capitulation, reparations, sending Putin to The Hague, and dismantling and disarming Russia.
>>2464790 >You may have set the house on fire, but have you considered that if we push real hard, give everything we've got, and risk third degree burns for the entire family, we might be able to save the basement?<This means you lost btw :) >>2465647I wouldn't be surprised if the big idea for Trump was that "peace talks" would drive a wedge between Russia and Venezuela, as in the possibility of peace on Russia's terms would be the carrot on the stick that would lead Russia to avoid supporting Venezuela when the US likely wants another Chile and not another Vietnam.
But not even just Trump, the entire US government are too proud for such a ploy in pretending to entertain Russian demands, let alone actually considering accepting them.
>>2465507Is Ukraine in NATO yet? Moscow is at least halfway towards achieving their goals whatever way you look at it. They have Luhansk, most of the Donbas, Crimea, and half of two regions they never controlled before 2022.
But how close is Kyiv in achieving the goals of their 48 hour anti-terrorist operation? 11 years and counting, and they still haven't retaken Crimea, the Donbas or joined NATO.
You'd have better luck pushing "no war but the class war" or talking about how this is an "inter-imperialist conflict". We're not shitlibs who get off on 'owning' the Asiatic hordes, and I don't think anyone here gives a fuck about protecting "european civilization" or any of that clash of civilizations bullshit.
>>2465547Logistics. Ammo Depots. That sorta stuff.
Ukraine’s top general admits Russia’s superiority on front line>The Russian Armed Forces outmatch Kiev’s army in both manpower and equipment, Ukrainian Commander-in-Chief Aleksandr Syrsky has said.<“August 2025 was a month of great trials for our troops,” Syrsky wrote. “ The enemy has a three-fold advantage in troops and means, and in the main areas of concentration of their forces outnumber us four to six times.”https://swentr.site/russia/624268-ukraine-top-general-russia-superiority/Talk of NATO troops in Ukraine a ‘sham debate’ – Kiev’s UN envoy>The deployment proposal is intended to butter up Donald Trump as the EU has nothing else to offer, Andrey Melnik has claimed<“Unfortunately, at the moment, this is a sham debate,” he said. “No German politician can seriously commit 5,000 or 10,000 soldiers” to Ukraine when there is no clear mandate for such a mission, he added.<“One reason the Europeans are bringing these troops into play is probably that they have little to offer Donald Trump in order to protect their own interests,” the diplomat stated.https://swentr.site/russia/624275-melnik-nato-troops-ukraine/JFC lmao this isn't because of the government building in Kiev getting hit, is it?
>>2465691lmao
he sets up the condition of winning for Russia like a "mastermind" gotcha.
>>2465792Can you post links that are not RT? I get that you trust Kremlin, but if they refer to what some westernoid says, I can't post RT to others, they will tell me it's Russian propaganda. But they can't say that if it's directly from their media.
And don't tell me you don't have time for it, you obviously have a lot.
>>2465928>but if they refer to what some westernoid saysThe sources in each article are Ukrainians directly.
>I can't post RT to others, they will tell me it's Russian propagandaAnd they won't with western or Ukrainian media, but that's my problem because?
>I get that you trust Kremlin>And don't tell me you don't have time for it, you obviously have a lot.Okay then how about no because I just think you're a twat?
>>2465928nta:
>In a Telegram post on Monday outlining the situation on the front line, Syrsky said August was a difficult month for Ukraine, acknowledging that Russian troops prevailed in all key areas.
>“August 2025 was a month of great trials for our troops,” Syrsky wrote. “ The enemy has a three-fold advantage in troops and means, and in the main areas of concentration of their forces outnumber us four to six times.”if its a TG post, then it is:
https://t.me/osirskiy/1266>Наразі противник має трикратну перевагу в силах і засобах, а на основних напрямках зосередження своїх зусиль може переважати в чотири-шість разів. Однак – я висловлюю глибоку вдячність нашим офіцерам, сержантам та, особливо, солдатам: їхні професійні вміння, стійкість, самовідданість та хоробрість ламають плани російських окупантів.>In general, the enemy has a threefold superiority in strength and capabilities, and on the main fronts, his forces can outweigh his forces four to six times. However, I commend our officers, sergeants and, especially, soldiers: their professional skills, resilience, self-effacingness and goodwill foil the plans of the Russian occupiers.and regarding the Melnik comments about nato talk as a sham, I couldn't find in Ukrainian media, but bounced a lot across the German media:
https://www.stern.de/politik/deutschland/andrij-melnyk--die-groessten-aufreger-des-ukrainischen-botschafters_32529734-32529506.html (original interview)
https://www.merkur.de/politik/ex-botschafter-nennt-deutsche-friedenstruppen-fuer-ukraine-scheindebatte-zr-93921618.html >>2466020Best Ukraine can do is to again make an attempt on the life of Kerch bridge.
Best Russia can do is take another 40k population city from Ukraine in the span of 10 months.
>>2466152LOL 100% bro
i just got redpilled 🤣
>>2466075The minimal conditions for a Russian victory are (1) all the four oblasts that were written into the Russian constitution in 2022 (2) the Zelensky regime gone (Zaluzhny is part of the same regime, what with all the photos of him and his Bandera paraphernalia).
Anything less than that is a treacherous concession on the deNazification goal. Despite some noise in recent weeks, it seems (1) will be insisted. I'm less confident about (2).
>>2465792>>2465928see:
(from the TG post:
>>2465988)
how much time does she have before she gets banderited?
>MP Bezuglaya called a lie the statement (https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/24317)of the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Syrsky about the return of 5 times more territory near Pokrovsk under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine than was lost in August. I found this article interesting. This is from the hoover institute a right wing think tank that now is just trump shills but this article was written in 1998 back when they believed in le free trade. It's an article about sanctions, why they oppose them and why they don't work. Unfortunately any right winger who thinks like this today is 1. Powerless or 2. Has to pretend he does not have these views and adapt to protectionism to stay popular. I think it is well written for a right wing person
https://www.hoover.org/research/why-economic-sanctions-dont-workThis is the author
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_R._Henderson
>Why Economic Sanctions Don’t Work>Congress has gotten in the habit of imposing economic sanctions in order to punish foreign governments. It is a habit Congress should break. By Hoover fellow David R. Henderson.
>When I was a kid, the boy next door once played a nasty trick on my brother Paul: our neighbor held his cat in his arms, brought it within a few inches of Paul’s face, and pulled its tail. The suddenly angry cat bit Paul’s face. My brother and I were upset; the cat, we thought, should have bitten the perpetrator’s face. I think of that incident whenever I hear people call for economic sanctions against a whole country.
>When governments impose sanctions, the officials implementing the policy want to harm the dictator or bad guy heading the other country’s government. That’s the goal. What they do to achieve it is intentionally harm many innocent people in those countries by cutting them off—if the sanctions are effective—from food, medicine, and other goods that they need or value. The sanctions almost always work in a limited sense: they impose some harm on innocent people in the target country. But that’s not the goal. Nor is the goal to cut off the dictator from food, medicine, et cetera. You can be sure that Saddam Hussein and Fidel Castro are not hurting for antibiotics or high-quality food. No. The harm that the advocates of sanctions want to inflict on the bad guys is indirect. They are yanking innocent people’s tails so that those people, like our neighbor’s cat, will lash out at whoever’s face is right in front of them. They want those people to see their own government as the enemy and to try to overthrow it.
>But people are smarter than cats. When people suddenly find food, clothing, medicine, and other goods in short supply, when they find themselves a lot poorer and focusing desperately on day-to-day survival, they will take the time to find out who is responsible. And guess what? They do find out. Although governments in embargoed countries like Iran, Iraq, and Cuba strictly control what newspapers, radio, and television report, one piece of information that is sure not to be censored is the role of outside governments in the country’s economic distress.
>Of course, those governments will exaggerate the harm done by the sanctions. Although socialism is what’s killing poor people in Cuba, for example, Fidel Castro has, for almost forty years, blamed Cuba’s economic problems on the “blockade,” his word for the embargo imposed by the U.S. government in the early 1960s. But he can plausibly make this claim because the embargo exists. Likewise, although much of the Iraqis’ pain is caused by Saddam Hussein’s diversion of resources to his war machine, the pain caused by economic sanctions is quite real.
>What do people in embargoed countries do when they find out that foreign governments threaten their survival? They want to do what the cat wouldn’t do: bite the hand or face of the perpetrator. In fact, I can think of no case in history where as a result of sanctions imposed by government A on people in country B, country B’s people overthrew their own government. It’s the stuff of novels, and not very good novels.
>To understand how people in embargoed countries feel, you will have to use your imagination. Picture yourself back in 1974. President Nixon’s popularity has hit bottom. Many Americans want him out, but he holds on. Now imagine that the head of a freer country—say, Switzerland—thinks Nixon is a vicious leader and imposes sanctions on us. Because of these sanctions, we can’t get medicine and we can’t feed our families adequately. We spend our days scraping for the basics we need to survive. (Of course this is implausible in the United States, which is why I said you would have to use your imagination.) Now ask yourself: Is your first thought that you should organize and try to overthrow the president?
>You can be sure that Saddam Hussein and Fidel Castro are not hurting for antibiotics or high-quality food.
>I bet it’s not. For one thing, you don’t have much of a shot at succeeding. The Nixon administration is probably in charge of allocating the scarce medicine and food. But more important, you’re furious with the Swiss government. “Who are they to interfere in our country’s affairs?” you ask. So if Nixon offers you a war against the Swiss infidels, you’re likely to say, “Hell, yes,” and postpone thoughts of getting rid of your president until you’ve gotten those foreign bums off your back. And that’s probably how Iraqis are feeling right now about the United States and other governments that are participating in the embargo.
>THE CAPITALISM VIRUS>Economic sanctions simply won’t spark a revolution. History has proved this. But that doesn’t mean that things are hopeless. There’s an alternative way to undercut the power of dictators: kill them with kind capitalism. End the embargo. Let foreign goods flow into Cuba, Iraq, and Iran, so that the people there can see the fruits of a free society. Of course, Fidel Castro and other dictators won’t necessarily let those goods in, but then at least they’ll be the ones who are seen as the bad guys. In his book Dismantling Utopia: How Information Ended the Soviet Union, Scott Shane, who was the Baltimore Sun’s Moscow correspondent from 1988 to 1991, writes that in the late 1980s private entrepreneurs in Moscow with VCRs and reels of wire set up primitive cable systems. Needing content, they often used American movies like Harry and the Hendersons. The result: Soviet citizens saw average Americans with nice houses, refrigerators, cars, and high-quality food, and they said, “I want.”
>An especially important element of this strategy is unrestricted international sales of personal computers. The more PCs there are in unfree countries, the greater the number of people who will be able to log on to the Internet and discover what free speech and a fairly free economy are all about.
>It’s true that the Chinese government, for example, requires Internet users to register with it. But there are only two ways China’s government can enforce its rules on content over the Internet: monitor on-line users or use filtering software to block prohibited material. Both methods, notes the February 7 issue of The Economist, are losing battles. Monitoring becomes much more difficult as the number of users multiplies: More than 250,000 PCs in China are connected to the Internet, and the government expects the number to reach 4 million within two years. And the professionals needed to write sophisticated filtering software are being lured away to more productive uses by the private sector. Moreover, even if filtering and monitoring could work, many Chinese would still see a lot of things on the Internet that would undercut oppression in China. Although CNN and Time’s web sites are currently blocked, The Economist’s, for one, is accessible.
>The genie is out of the bottle. Let it out in Cuba, Iraq, and everywhere else too. Let’s end embargoes and allow free trade.https://www.hoover.org/research/why-economic-sanctions-dont-work>>2466951>le pen???
last time I've checked she's irrelevant.
>>2466715I mean yeah, it's a kind of strawman where one attacks the idealist bs propaganda for the otherwise materialist actions and claims victory defeating one's own propaganda. Of course sanctions are not "targetted" at the leadership and of course the USAno regime routinely "fails" to achieve it's *stated* objectives and "blunders" themselves all over the world for them.
But that's because they are lying. I do not think anyone writing things like these, earnestly believe themselves in what they are writing. They many never utter a word in public that indicates otherwise but their brain surely functions like any other.
>>2467104There is no bullshit, just your collapsing infowar and shitty damage control.
The thread rarely covered Kuleba. His flight was not repeatedly claimed and his current place in Germany is sourced in their media.
>>2467129 (me)
I am of course talking about national rejuvenation gone real, literal, gone too far, gone terrible. After all, why shouldn't they, they need Russian atrocities. That is called two birds, meet the stone.
Or simply "cui bono"
>>2467543he eventually changed, though. specially when he saw the
vlasovites siding with the ukrainian state.
>>2467537it was always an anti-imperialist war. putin/russia were not anti-imperialist by conviction or ideology, but have been forced into it by circumstance. they now find themselves depending on a global anti-imperialist bloc, who in turn needs and depends on them. Whether they like it or not, russia's struggle is china's struggle, is palestine's struggle, is cuba's struggle, is dprk's, is venezuela's, etc. their fortunes are tied together. a loss for one is a loss for all and a win for one is a win for all.
the both-sidists and shills who persist in trying to equate russia with the usa through a broad and fuzzy application of the term "imperialism" are serving imperialism and undermining all of the struggles.
>>2468211THE UNCUCKING IS REAL
Poland cant use Article 5 as the origin of the Gerans is unknown and the first US plane sent to kill them is being jammed
>>2465647>I don't know why they're still indulging him diplomatically in September. In theory, it's a good idea to string him along while stroking his ego, but in practice, he sees the willingness to negotiate as weakness and likely becomes emboldened (see Iran attacks during negotiations, recent revelations about his activity during the North Korean negotiations, etc.).Add Qatar to the mix.
Kremlin could finally be realizing that Trump's negotiations are always some kind of scheme.
>>2468723Nothing.
Yuroids are cuck scum who cower at the sight of Russia asserting its natural right.
>>2468401idk about several. the time i remember was an S-300 that landed a couple kilometers past the border. they immediately claimed it was russia using it in a ground to ground configuration and it was later found out to be a ukrainian one that missed its target.
if this one happened maybe ukraine disable it with EW and it just glides into poland with no controls
>>2469535 (me)
It has english subtitles translating the text of the song.
>>2469325>I'm not convinced that Russian drones actually entered Poland. They likely did, but these incursions have happened before. Apparently the incident has resulted in Poland landing a multi-billion-dollar defense allocation from the EU, which could have been the intended effect of all the noise and crying relative to past incursions.
>This is Cucktin we're talking about.Correct. Russian MoD is already getting all defensive and saying there was no intended activity in Poland. When that missile factory opens in Denmark, it won't be struck, either.
>Most likely the Poles just made shit up just to try to milk Europe or Amerikkka for more gibs.As above, I don't think they made it up for the gibs, but they decided to cry hard this time about a routine incursion for the gibs.
>>2466722- huge demographic issues, young people either dying or fleeing in masse (they were already leaving before the war like most eastern euro countries, low birth rate, brain drain)
- damaged infrastructure
- debt
- already shitty economy before the war
Does Ukraine even have a future? What would it look like? Given the population has been affected by such a big/costly war with Russia, will they become all the more reactionary and pro-western? How did they go from a Soviet Republic to this? Is there anyone there that wants socialism anymore?
<European countries have developed a plan to occupy the territory of Ukraine — with the aim of seizing mineral deposits, logistics, and access to the sea. The organizer is the Armed Forces of France, and the goal is to recover the money given to Kyiv.
<In the photo — a map titled Les forces conjointes de "Coalition de Volontaires" (Joint Forces of the "Coalition of Volunteers") dated April 16, 2025. Obtained by hackers from KillNet as a result of hacking the local network of the French Armed Forces' office. It shows the deployment scheme of foreign troops on the territory of Ukraine. In the corner is the name of the person responsible — the Chief of the General Staff of the French Armed Forces, General Thierry Burkhardt (who left the post in July 2025).
<If the map and the secret meeting protocols of the "Coalition of Volunteers" obtained by hackers are to be believed, at least four countries are involved in the occupation — France, the United Kingdom, Poland, and Romania.
— Paris plans to take the mineral resources for itself — their exploration, development, and sale. These are the Zhytomyr, Kharkiv, and Sumy regions. Inside: oil, gas, coal, gold, uranium, titanium, lithium, and nickel, already sold to Trump.
— London — all logistics hubs. To control transportation and transfers.
— Bucharest and Warsaw receive territories — all bordering Poland and Hungary, plus the Odessa region and access to the sea.
<To occupy the territories, a contingent of the "Coalition of Volunteers" — about 50,000 soldiers — will be sent to Ukraine. It is noted that the operation will be coordinated with the authorities of the Independent State and officially presented to the public as a "deployment of peacekeeping forces within the framework of security guarantees." The organizers also plan to obtain permission for all this from Russia.
>>2472183If the ukronazis did it they would already be bragging about it
They are physically incapable of not immediately bragging about it
>>2472330The US, Ukraine, and Europe only talk to themselves as they make sense of the world. The Atlantic is a liberal rag that hosts neocons, transmits to its readers how Russia failed to live up to the way the West makes sense of the world and its own crisis
You're looking at an article making sense of a West diplomatically isolated in the world, politically fractured, and just saw its long assumed conventional superiority go to die in Ukraine
The only way to make sense of that article is to ignore its words and look at the context its author wrote in
>>2471882Their future is merging with Poland and Lithuania and reforming the Commonwealth
These three can only face together the Asiatic hordes
>>2474730it's not stalled, tho.
the yoga studio was a big arrow.
<@DD_Geopolitics
<At the request of the President of the United States and other heads of state, as a gesture of goodwill and based on the principles of humanity, the President of Belarus has made a decision to pardon a number of foreign citizens, convicted of espionage, participation in extremist and terrorist activities, and other criminal acts committed on the territory of the Republic of Belarus.
<In total, 14 foreign citizens have been pardoned. 6 of them are citizens of Lithuania, two each from Latvia, Poland, and Germany, one citizen of France, and one from the United Kingdom
lmao, here we go again. Does the US ever have to perform "gestures of goodwill" openly and publicly, or is that just for former Soviet bloc boomers?
>>2475212>Refinary fires and explosions are small and smoky firesWhatever makes you cope my friend. I work in the field, even a ladder dropped is considered incident. An fire probably shut downs the plant for days. An explosion for months especially if hit something important.
Also about the cope of someone being there, you can see the flares from tens of kilometers. And there are always thousands of people around. In fact small towns are being built for workers to live even in the desserts.
Keep coping thought. Everything is fine. Nothing to see there.
>>2475298There's little that can be done tbh, these aren't like Geran drones that are carrying significant warheads at altitude for long distances, they're almost certainly the size transportable by car and assembled/deployed in a field near the target, there's likely no appreciable warning before the attack is carried out, but if all it can achieve is a fire that "shut downs the plant for a few days", then it's not in any way comparable to the 80+ tons of explosives Russia drops on Ukraine the same night.
>>2475308>shut downs the plant for a few daysIs that comparable to 800+ drones hitting targets all over Ukraine?
>>2475311Did you see any of those targets? What was it? A building used for nothing and a bridge? For 800 drones and missiles? I guess the bridge might be strategic so maybe.
But small and smokey fire
>>2475313>Did you see any of those targets?But that's my point, literally anything Ukraine ever does in Russia
has to be captured on camera, nothing is ever done without visual evidence being immediately provided, while all you do see from these large scale drone attacks in Ukraine are the "the flares from tens of kilometers." so we have to assume Ukraine always having footage ready to go is the exception rather than the rule.
But more than that, Ukraine will announce 800+ drone struck them for sympathy points, but the details of what was hit is elusive unless debris or a misfiring AA missile hits a playground also for propaganda purposes, if there were 800 craters in the ground proving the drone attack achieved absolutely nothing, I guarantee Ukraine would give you 800 photos of craters in the ground. Instead, it's up to mapping autists like AMK Mapping to spend days getting satellite photos from NASA, geo-locating what little long distance footage there is, surveying maps for potential targets near by, etc to prove out any of the drones' targets.
>But small and smokey fireYou're even agreeing with me when you suggest the attack will put the oil refinery out of service for days to months, when you're surely aware the narrative in pro-Ukrainian circles that these attacks are entirely destroying these refineries and that Russia will never recover from them, not putting them out of service temporarily for health and safety reasons.
>>2475343Amounts that I'm assured by nafoids are pocket money compared to the US military budget, let alone the global oil market.
Another factor is that Ukraine isn't apparently just limited by the size of these drones, but range as well. Most of these attacks are happening relatively close to the borders, I don't know whether that's because the drones are controlled by operators in Ukraine and thus they're limited to how far the cellular networks of neighbouring countries reach into Russia, or if they need to ensure the people deploying/operating the drone within Russia need to be able to escape over a border shortly after the attack to avoid getting caught, but whatever the cause, that restriction also means they're never going to bring the entire Russian oil infrastructure down to its knees.
>>2477015>>2477019 (me)
Here, created a quick graphic to show just how one-sided of a vote this was. Three no's in the entire American continent, one in all of Europe, !ZERO! in Asia, and like two or three in Oceania.
All the rest were either Yes votes, or abstentions/absents.
>>2477166>DonetskIs there a reason you keep conflating the long held city with the contested region
Donbass? Other than just not knowing what you're talking about?
>>2477484wtf are you on about…
even ziggas say russia controls 75% of donetsk and is still fighting there…
it's luhansk that's pretty much uncontested in the donbass, dummy
>>2477188>when the targets are actually hitHave to assume there were more targets in total than were actually hit, I suspect in comparatively rare case when Ukraine is able to rustle up 200 drones to send towards Russia (often done before some event in Russia, in this case Zapad 2025) instead of the more common case of doing a sabotage op, they're likely expecting most to be downed by EW but given enough targets, yeah the pumping station for a port associated with Russia's "Shadow Fleet" or an oil distribution hub in Smolensk are going to reveal that not everything in Russia is covered by drone jammers or jammers new enough to deal with the latest advancements in drone tech, but allegedly one of the targets was the NPP in Smolensk that didn't end up being hit and oil transport was damaged but not oil refineries.
Ultimately though, this is the difference between Russia reporting when things have been hit (even if they're downplaying the damage and casualties) but there being a complete media blackout in Ukraine, people are confusing the radio silence from Ukraine as a sign that there's nothing worth reporting. I think if Ukrainian EW was really downing 800 drones and nothing was being hit and these drone attacks were useless, Ukraine would get us the proof of that, but as it stands they continue to report the size of attacks and claim all targets were civilian but the vast majority of it was neutralised and never divulge what the targets were for drones that got through EW but that only like 4 civilians were killed.
>>2477729 (me)
Btw, a lot of the Ukros are pointing fingers at Hungary and Slovakia, but Trump is actually talking about purchases via India as well. It's Trump's sidekick Graham who's more explicit about this part of the demand:
" France should tell China and India: pick our markets or Putin. India boosted Russian oil buys from 3% to 30%, resells to Europe."
Burger oil execs about to bend Europe over.
>>2477172Paraguay lost a thiree-front war around the same time as the U.S. Civil War (The War of the Triple Alliance) which devastated the country, and Hayes later helped mediate some territorial negotiations afterwards encompassing something like half the country in Paraguay's favor. They have a department (province) named after him.
>>2477500The Western media also wants to retain access to the Ukrainian side, and that means playing ball, and if they report on successful Russian strikes then they'll discover that they're no longer welcome in Ukraine. It's that shrimple. The other thing is "battle damage assessment," they don't want to disclose successful strikes because it can help the Russian military refine its own targeting.
trump is going mental, lmao.
>>2477015that, food as an unalienable right, and the rejection of nazism, are the pillars of why I know who the enemy is.
>>2477844>ziggerbotIt's far more bottish to need to react to every recorded attack like
>Massive smokey explosions! It's literally ogre for the Kremlin, their economy is going to be fucked by health and safety shutting down these oil facilities for weeks!but asking for visual proof of 800 destroyed targets and explanations about the value of destroying each before entertaining the possibility that the larger and more frequent Russian drone attacks are causing a larger headache for Ukraine.
>>2478283Makarov was committing terroristic false flags to draw the world into WW3 in the belief his nation would come out strongest, that's Ukraine.
>Makarov was a staunch anti imperialist who supported Middle Eastern decolonizing states against Western exploitation.That's the based interpretation, the intended interpretation was that Makarov was arming and supporting terrorist regimes in the Middle East while Ukraine is doing that for terrorist groups in Africa
>If Makarov had been in charge IRL instead of Cucktin and Cuckvedev, Libya and Syria would stll exist and Washington DC would have been nuked.Makarov spread himself thin fighting the entirety of NATO (does NATO exist in Call of Duty?) all at the same time and, again, that's Ukraine and Israel who antagonise anyone that is neutral for being neutral.
https://x.com/ivan_8848/status/1966550490944328191
>Greater Israel in Ukraine?’ Douglas Macgregor delves into theory NO ONE else is talking about
>“Now we’re also seeing settlements in southern Ukraine emerge, places where the population has been either denuded, or is very, very thin. And we’re seeing large numbers of Jews establish themselves in new communities,” the retired colonel and former top DoD advisor told Judge Napolitano.
>Pointing to online evidence of armed men in “American-like police uniforms” stopping non-Jews from going into these communities, Macgregor said “we’ve always been hearing about this desire to create a greater Israel in parts of Ukraine.” “This is very odd,” Macgregor said, adding that he doesn’t know whether this phenomenon is part of plans by BlackRock’s Larry Fink and others for the colonization of Ukraine, or a direct Israeli plot.
>‘Greater Israel in Ukraine’, also known as the ‘Greater Khazaria’ theory, emerged shortly after the victory of the Euromaidan coup in Kiev in 2014. It hinges on the idea of a deliberate depopulation of Ukrainian territories through war and socioeconomic collapse, and the facilitation of migration by Israelis, either to extend Israel’s lands or serve as an emergency safe zone should Israel itself ever be destroyed.
>The theory gained a new impulse in 2019 with the election of Volodymyr Zelensky, whose campaign was heavily backed by oligarch Igor Kolomoisky, a former Dnepropetrovsk region governor and prominent figure in the United Jewish Community of Ukraine. Kolomoisky hosted Israeli President Shimon Peres in 2010. Peres remarked on Ukraine’s vast territory, energy, resource and freshwater riches in comparison to Israel’s. >>2478884sabbath occurs weekly.
putin insisting on weekly sabbath observances would explain many things :D
>>2478929I just saw his "offer" to Europe. tbh, he may be going for a sharp diplomatic break instead, but it's looked that way half a dozen times this year already and he still held on.
America is stretched too thin in too many theaters, so it's time for him to make some tough calls if he wants to "take on China" before he loses the Houses and Dems tie him up in lawfare.
>>2477754Those are made from expanded styrene foam so I could imagine it hitting those trees and then falling down on the coop with no damage.
Also nice asbestos-cement sheeting there, lmao.
>>2478982Yeah but it doesn't have the mass to break itself from falling from treetop-height, then would it have the mass to fall perfectly down through all the branches to land immediately underneath the tree? Let alone not getting caught within the branches?
>>2478880>kek, your subconscious has been resisting the blackpill all along.Nope, unfortunately that was a rare ChampSoc L, I did confuse "Donbass" for being the oblast that Donetsk City is located in, rather than the region comprising of both Donetsk and Lugansk oblasts.
As for the blackpill itself, there isn't a blackpill to take when I have a memory that lasts longer than the current news cycle and I don't place random assertions from not-the-Russian-MoD as statements from the Russian MoD. It's Ukraine and NATO that have had to scale back their confidence repeatedly in this conflict, bearing in mind originally NATO claimed they were only going to non-lethal aid because their economic warfare against Russia was going to be so devastating that Ukraine won't need lethal aid.
We've already long since reached the stage that "only non-lethal aid necessary" turned into NATO firing missiles into Russia in all ways but having a dismembered arm with a Ukraine patch on it pressing the button. Of course you could say that Russia is cucked for not ending the world over it, but there always was the
possibility that crossing red-lines, introducing "game-changers", NATO self-incriminating as direct participants in the conflict would spark WW3. A risk, no matter how remote, that shouldn't be necessary according to NATO and Ukraine's attitude going into this conflict after turning their noses up at Minsk 3.
And yet that risk was considered worth taking on repeatedly and if you're choosing to conduct provocations that
might trigger WW3 (even by accident) and by all conventional thinking ought to trigger WW3, then that rather suggests you're facing disaster without it.
Whereas the "blackpill" for anti-NATOists is
>Accept random Western voices claiming Russia is losing because they want ALL of Ukraine but are bogged down in the regions Russia declared annexation of>Accept random Russian voices claiming that this conflict was supposed to be over in two days/weeks/months>Accept that if an attack wasn't made a spectacle with videos of small smokey fires, wounded soldiers getting grenades dropped on them, a military vehicle destroyed to the tune of Rammenstein, etc, then it never happened and therefore Ukraine is succeeding hugely at attrition>Accept that although the vast majority of Russian Oil exports are crude oil and exports are set to be biased heavily towards China and India to the east that are oil refining nations, damaging oil refineries/facilities on Russia's western border is going to economically strangle Russia in a way Europe already cutting off direct purchases of Russian refined oil products didn't.That is to say, learn to love western narratives because the west is just more trustworthy (i.e no RT for me please) and reduce your attention span to that of a fruit fly to not notice the ever downgrading confidence in military victory.
Ukraine adds three-year-old to state-backed ‘kill list’
>The child was blacklisted for alleged “border violations” and “threats to Ukraine’s sovereignty”<According to an entry added on September 13, the child, born in April 2022, is accused of “conscious violation of the state border” and “encroachment on sovereignty.” On the same day, five other minors aged 5, 9, 10, 12, and 16 were also blacklisted for similar alleged offenses. Earlier this week, a five-year-old and several 11-year-olds were added to the site.https://swentr.site/russia/624633-russian-toddler-ukrainian-kill-list/I mean doesn't this just scream confidence for the Ukrainians? I don't know who is running that website, but if you're reduced to claiming a three year old is an enemy of Ukraine making a “conscious violation of the state border” and “encroachment on sovereignty” then you're presenting Ukraine as being insane and paranoid to a degree only previously seen by monstrously inbread monarchs.
>>2479266And you were being such a gentlemen letting me off with my mistake.
>(like getting me to admit that luhansk is fully under russian control, I thought)What would be the point of that? That's one oblast of four, would admitting Russia has fully liberated Lugansk oblast really hurt that much?
I'm on the current page where lmao'ing about Russia winning too slowly doesn't really work when, according to Zelensky, *any* amount of territory is a victory for Ukraine and thus, unironically, capturing a yoga studio isn't something that is being laughed off any more but treated as genuinely a loss for Ukraine if it's not part of their "final victory" of just continuing to exist with as much territory retained as possible.
>>2479357I mean I thought I was at least somewhat clear on my "allegiance" with the imho hilarious wordplay.
Do I have to spell everything out? Sorry, don't wanna be rude.
It's just when you play with the mentally infirm, it's not really relevant to me, I feel.
SHOT THROUGH THE NECK
AND YOU'RE TO BLAME
>>2467117*ahem*
That reminds me, no one replied to this frankly hilarious post. It was even specifically designed to trigga da libs
(I just do that like breathing, it has become second nature)
>>2477760Unfathomably based if true.
No one cares about the balts, if they are honest with themselves.
Wipe them out, it's worth it. Trust me Poutine.
>>2479379Observing that the AfD deaths were suspicious and it isn't beyond the Bundes Republic to murder political opponents isn't crying.
Saying that killing Kirk achieves nothing and adventurism is idiotic is an OG Lenin take.
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