What’s stopping China from helping Detroit?
Think about it. China does foreign policy based on sift power rather than militarism or blackmail. China builds hospitals in Mali in exchange for good, rather than invading and seizing the gold for themselves. China is the reason hundreds of millions of people in Africa have electricity and running water, right? If China can do this, why aren’t they stepping in and helping Detroit rebuild?
China could fund mass construction projects. Build housing all over Detroit that resembles housing in Chinese cities. Build a functioning metro/train system. Build more hospitals. Build better schools that look like wonder museums rather than prisons. Build urban farms to fix the food desert issue. Give Detroit the latest and greatest tech. Bring back millions of jobs. Why not?
China turns shitholes into functioning cities. Just compare their cities from 37 years ago to their cities now. They could easily do the same for Detroit. Trump Administration be damned. Just get the mayor of Detroit to form a working relationship with Xi and the CPC and watch things happen.
>>2487365<What’s stopping China from helping Detroit?assuming you're not trolling any significant chinese investment like that would likely be blocked and forced to disinvest by the Trump adminsitration
>>2487387Explain. What if Mary Sheffield (a progressive) gets elected mayor and she and Gretchen decide to collaborate with Beijing?
>>2487451the dems are just as anti china as the republicans are they just hide it better. reminder that obama started the pivot to asia and focus on china long before trump took power.
>what’s stopping China from debt-trapping Detroit?
>>2487451They'd be making a smart long term decision that is not really possible at the moment.
>>2487365>What’s stopping China from helping Detroit?What's stopping the USA from helping Qinghai Province?
What's stopping Iran from helping Tel Aviv?
Got any more stupid questions?
Yeah lets pump infinity money and resources into aiding our most powerful political enemy.
Helloooo? Anyone at home in that gaping cavern you have inside your skull?
Cuba offered to help during covid and was told not to come and blocked by the government.
We're on our own. No one is coming to help us. The sooner we all accept the sooner more work can be done.
>>2487455>>2487482Sheffield is to the left of Mamdani.
>>2487462It’s not really “debt trapping” given that the banks in China are all state run and operated.
>>2487557China could use the aid to Detroit as a way of making alliances with New Afrikans.
>>2487365>China is the reason hundreds of millions of people in Africa have electricity and running water, right?Sauce pls.
>>2487590You don't have to like China to recognise they're building a lot of infrastructure in Africa and elsewhere, often with lots of strings attached
>>2487595calm down and get fucking organized
if you are not in a org join one
if you are talk to local leaders ASAP and try to talk about setting up general meeting with as many leftist groups you can make contact with
form a committee together and make an action plan for keeping people safe
AmeriKKKans themselves are the problem. The rabid imperialists will always bite at the hand that feeds them.
>>2487560As demonstrated by this example.
As a Greek living in Athens during the worst years of the financial crisis, then migrating to three other cities in northern Europe, visiting basically all the rest of Europe besides Scandinavia, having been for month long stays in not tourist places of Indonesia, Bolivia, Oman, having carried 250k equipment with me through Lagos and the river states of Nigeria I have never felt less secure than when I visited LA last year. It was shocking for me and I was already aware of the situation. The absolutely worst place I have ever been. Truly hellish.
I dread even to think how Detroit might be.
>>2487631LA is so dystopian. It's shitty hot and dirty and all the rich people live up on the hills looking down on the poor. I hate Californian libs because they act like they're so great saving the planet all that while their neighbors live in squalor. People on the east coast have some empathy and shame for failing the homeless.
>>2487698>I hate Californian libs because they act like they're so great saving the planet all that while their neighbors live in squalor.I’ve lived in both LA (2007-2009) and the Bay Area (2013-2014) and can confirm this. Rich white Californian liberals love showing off how “progressive” they are because they’re vegan, gluten free, wear eco-friendly clothing, have solar panels on the roofs of their $5 million homes yet continually deny all the class inequality and racial segregation in their cities. Just compare the rich parts of SanFran with the shithole areas like the Tenderloin District. Or compare Santa Monica and Silver Lake to the part of LA that surrounds MacArthur Park.
Kek, if this happens Eminem will make a diss track against Xi.
>>2487538How is what China’s doing not debt trapping?
>>2487847Fucking lost it.
>>2487567thats precisely why the government would never let it happen
>>2488061Why can't the mayor of Detroit or the governor of Michigan override whatever Trump says?
>>2487462>>2487855Some asshole porky is already buying up Detroit.
Having China come in to rebuild the city could easily offset him.
>>2487455Dems are way more anti-Russia than they are anti-China though.
>>2488150I'm at the 27-minute mark right now.
Holy shit this is painful to watch.
>>2487595The gangs will unite and fight the National Guard.
>>2487365Just bring the auto jobs back and do a massive job training program to put all the unemployed bums to work.
>China turns shitholes into functioning citiesDengists are just the soy PMC wing of fascism
>>2488125>you MUST be 100% pro-China or else you're CIAAfrican children have access to clean drinking water: but at what cost?
>>2487462Detroit went bankrupt a few years ago, so there’s that.
>>2487451>>2487565>Mary SheffieldLiterally ALL she does is try to win over zoomer voters by taking pics with rappers.
mods pls unanchor, this is a fun thread
reporting myself for attention
>>2487365How does China benefit from this?
>>2498143PR stunt to own the burgers
>>2489138To be fair, the people who run those gas stations are usually Iraqi, Yemeni, or Indian immigrants who don’t want to give up on the little businesses that they’ve been running for 20-30 years.
American ‘people’
>>2487365I can tell you, as boots on the ground, that China is definitely doing this in metro Detroit
Mostly around the auto industry areas in the northern part
Hypothetically, imaginary, could Illanoy secede into Canada?
>>2503319storytime or stfu
Why is it China's job to solve America's problems?
>>2503391>liberate yourself!The PRC benefits from aid. They're not just building up Africa out of pity or charity.
>>2503391Because why not? China was a shithole 40 years ago and is nearly as powerful as America today. The Chinese miracle. Why shouldn't they agree to turn Detroit into an American Shanghai?
>>2503438It's not China's
job, it's China's
opportunity.
most of the current effort is in madison heights but chinese owned businesses are expanding outward from the area
visiting chinese professors, students, and engineers seemed to drastically increase around 2018, focused on mechanical engineering skills and automotive computer sciences (now with AI)
maybe consider it a small investment but its been steady growth and is likely to continue
We have this thread every year.
What's stopping China from paying MY bills? Where are MY reparations?
>>2503393It's soft power. Even OP admits China is only "generous" because they want something out of the countries they win over.
this thread was posted on tankiejerk a couple of weeks back
>Just get the mayor of Detroit to form a working relationship with Xi
Why doesn't the manager of a struggling local family restaurant just ask the Prince of Saudi Arabia to bail him out?
IF CHINA DOESN'T BUILD A 4 ACRE MANSION FOR ME TO LIVE IN, AND KILL MY BOSS AND MAKE ME THE HEAD OF MY NEWLY-NATIONALIZED COMPANY, AND ALSO GIVE ME FREE FOOD FOR LIFE, THEN THEY ARE NOT SOCIALIST
Detroit should offer their mines to China so they can come and exploit the local workers, then they just have to build an hospital and socialism will be achieved
>>2503668Send him to China and get him to beg for infrastructure help, even some science and engineering school equipment
>>2503658
objectively wrong
proletarian solidarity and bilateral trade and relations =/= gimme gibs gibs, fix all muh problems soviet daddy
>>2503393based. Charity is a christcuck concept. When you help a people through charity, you are not liberating them but tying them to the charity, you make them dependent on you. Which is why no christcuck charity ever fixed any problem in Africa.
>>2503709Why would the leader of a global industrial superpower waste his valuable time making deals with the mayor of Detroit Michigan? What does the mayor of a failing American post-industrial city have to offer that China wants? America began outsourcing its industrial manufacturing sector to China a long time ago; we already sold Detroit to China and China is not going to give it back.
What's to stop the ant mound in my backyard from appealing to the galactic overlords to save them from my lawnmower?
Knowing the animals of Detroit, they will piss it all away and then blame the Chinese for not doing enough for them
Fuck them
>>2503723the same people live there as when there was industry. you create lumpen by replacing jobs with welfare.
>>2503727You are correct, But still, China should not help americans. They are ungrateful.
What's stopping China from giving me 100 million dollars and a Chinese Gf?
WHAT A FUCKING STUPID THREAD. OP SHOULD KILL XERSELF.
>>2503737why isnt china offering me a job in chongqing and free HRT
>>2503738anarcho-gibs smh
Chinese won't even give you a free glass of water at a restaurant and OP thinks they'll bail out Detroit
why would they bother? fuck america
>>2503759Kek you have to be baiting every Chinese restaurant gives out free water. You do have to know how to ask for it in Chinese though or just bring a Chinese friend along.
Detroit, Seattle, Portland–
What narrow paths, deep woods and slippery moss!
Whither are we bound today?
Straight to the foot of Appalachian Mountains.
To the mountain, the foot of the mountain,
Red flags stream in the wind in a blaze of glory.
>>2503717They build Detroit back up.
>>2487365For the record, those two houses don't exist anymore.
The first house (3610 St. Aubin) is now a vacant lot. The second house (William Livingstone House) is something else entirely now (284 Eliot St).
>>2504693Why make such a big deal out of exporting some batteries and electric motors to an automobile manufacturing heritage area?
>>2504364>>2504377How did you find the addresses of these buildings?
>>2504693putting any kind of aid in detroit with the chinese flag on it would be a kick in the dick to the US government far before you got to the point of undoing de-industrialization, and once the US government demands they stop doing that you can publicize that too
>>2506424Reverse image search and news articles from the 2010s.
Detroit needs to be made beautiful again.
Back in the 1930s, the city of Detroit (once dubbed the "Paris of America") was covered in beautiful socialist realist murals, all of them commissioned by FDR's administration. These murals glorified the working people of Detroit by portraying them as heroes.
Today, Detroit is the beacon of ugliness in America. Those beautiful socialist realist murals have been locked away in a museum away from public view. Breathtaking old buildings have been demolished. Most of the city lies in ruin. Detroit music now consists of J Dilla "beat tapes" made by pushing buttons on a sampler and adding a distorted drum pattern, and songs by Eminem and Insane Clown Posse about hacking people to death. Not to mention all the illegal raves where people play heinous techno "music." Meaningless modern "art" is everywhere in this city as is graffiti.
I fully believe the reason Detroit won't recover to its past greatness is because of this ugliness embedded within the city's modern culture. When you are surrounded by ugly art and music, you start to see the entire world as ugly, chaotic and confused. This causes you to start losing faith in your fellow man and creates an overall sense of nihilism and despair. It doesn't matter if the auto jobs come back. It doesn't matter if all of those empty lots are replaced by adequate housing. It's the CULTURE of Detroit that needs to change before anything will be fixed.
Get rid of the graffiti and replace it with socialist realist murals glorifying industrial workers. Get rid of hip hop and techno and get Detroit's children learning CLASSICAL music like they do in China, and have public classical music concerts like they did in the Soviet Union. Rebuild all the beautiful old buildings again.
BEAUTY will save Detroit before reindustrialization.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QWI4H4_ik4>>2507402This video explains the Detroit disaster.
If China gorges warm relations with Detroit, the CPC MUST reintroduce beauty to the city. This in itself will do wonders to fester class solidarity.
Detroit isn’t even a problem city anymore, it’s been completely gentrified and it’s covered in tourist traps
>>2507418Only downtown is gentrified.
>>2507402>and songs by EminemDidn’t he grow up in a trailer park?
How is Eminem’s music not proletarian?
>>2507411Ah yes, the return of "objective" beauty standards
>>25076088 mile is the name of the neighborhood he was from
>>2487462Of course YOU posted something a glowie would post like every other thing you post.
Detroit and other Rust Belt cities are particularly severe cases due to the effects of globalization on the American manufacturing industry, but they're not the only ones and the reasons are more than just the changes to the industrial landscape. You also see it in cities like Jackson or Atlanta or Houston, any major city where you see the historical legacy white flight plain as day, urban areas falling to decay as Whitey cuts his losses and moves out to the suburbs.
So now you have this decayed urban city full of abandoned buildings falling to ruin and a bunch of poor black people standing around everywhere who are desperately looking for any work they can get. But they can't pick up hammers and drills and go fix up all those abandoned buildings and turn them into businesses or homes for their community and earn a decent paycheck for it, because that property doesn't belong to them. It still belongs to Whitey and he doesn't want to give it up, he's sitting on it and waiting for a miracle from heaven that will draw wealthy millions yuppie gentrifiers to the city and the property value will skyrocket and the black people will all go bye bye and Whitey can take back the city again. Until then, the inner city just sits and rots.
>>2507402>muh socialist realismFuck off Maupin.
It's like, Detroit's industrial glory days are never coming back, this is the global economy and you can't reverse history, regardless of what Donald Trump might believe.
If you want Detroit to be a thriving community again, you simply give it to the indigenous inhabitants, the people who stayed in Detroit and didn't abandon their hometown. I think it's only fair that they get some kind of reward for their loyalty. Start a federal program to buy the abandoned properties from the bank and sell it to Detroit residents at very affordable rates, work with the zoning board to rezone appropriately, create an incentive for local residents to buy up all these abandoned land and turn it into businesses and apartments and neighborhoods, etc. Detroit is never going to be the giant industrial powerhouse megacity that it once was, but it could be a modest respectable town that is run and owned mostly by black people. And that's something America has never been able to abide.
>>2507741Indigenous as in Native Americans, or the New Afrikans who overwhelmingly inhabit Detroit today?
>>2507748Second one, I don't mean *that* indigenous, let's not get crazy now.
>>2507402>Back in the 1930s, the city of Detroit (once dubbed the "Paris of America") was covered in beautiful socialist realist murals, all of them commissioned by FDR's administration. These murals glorified the working people of Detroit by portraying them as heroes.Socialist Realism is gaudy kitsch shit.
Also, if that mural is of Detroit, why are all the workers white?
>Breathtaking old buildings have been demolished.More like, their original owners left the city and had no use for them anymore, so they stuck around rotting until the city demolished them.
>Detroit music now consists of J Dilla "beat tapes" made by pushing buttons on a sampler and adding a distorted drum pattern,Dilla was a classically-trained musician and his beats have been turned into classical music compositions.
>and songs by Eminem and Insane Clown Posse about hacking people to death. Eminem pre-2010 is objectively good and ICP are proles whose juggalo fanbase is mostly made up of proles. Remember a few years ago when the FBI wanted to designate juggalos as a "gang" and leftists protested on the basis that doing so was an attack on the working-class?
>When you are surrounded by ugly art and music, you start to see the entire world as ugly, chaotic and confused. This causes you to start losing faith in your fellow man and creates an overall sense of nihilism and despair.Beauty is a spook.
>and have public classical music concerts like they did in the Soviet Union.They did that for state propaganda purposes. Most of that "Soviet classical music" was military anthems.
>BEAUTY will save Detroit before reindustrialization.Beauty is a spook.
>>2507411>"the political issues of the day can only be solved with the beautiful"She has to be retarded.
>>2488150>29:16>Cop: you’re exploiting themDid not expect that to come out of a cop lol
>>2507614>>2507971She’s making the same exact point Caleb Maupin makes every time he critiques Jackson Pollock and abstract expressionism, that without beauty in our lives we start to lose our sense of what it means to be human. Having a world deprived of beauty makes us animalistic and causes us to become insane.
I won’t go so far as to say Detroit being “ugly” is what keeps it in shambles but it certainly doesn’t help.
>>2507992yeah LUMPENproles maybe
>>2508034police more gangsta than the perps
>>2507402are you the guy who spams those images about akai mpc samplers? if so please, please get a job
Many, many black people have been patiently waiting a very long time for their opportunity to step up and get their own piece of the American Dream. Detroit could be revitalized as a major black-run city full of black-owned businesses, it could attract more black entrepeneurs to invest in the project, it could attract arts and entertainment and tourism, you could turn Detroit into major cultural epicenter like New Orleans but even blacker.
>>2508071>capitalism but make it blackFuck off radlibs
Just relocate the population of Detroit and let Trump turn it into a villa.
>>2508071The only good thing about this idea is that black ppl might realize capitalism is still shitty even when a majority of their people own the businesses.
>>2507966>Socialist Realism is gaudy kitsch shit.Look at these two paintings. Which one makes you feel a sense of love and solidarity with your fellow worker?
Now which one makes you feel angry, resentful, confused and chaotic?
>Beauty is a spook.False on all accounts. Beauty is what makes us human. It’s what gives us morality and a stake in bettering our world.
Beauty is also the language of socialism. The Soviet Union created beautiful art and music. China creates beautiful art and music. Go to any major Chinese city and you won’t see graffiti anywhere. You won’t see abstract expressionist “art” anywhere either. You will see art that uplifts the human spirit and celebrates the working people as heroes.
China also bans hip hop. Why? Because real socialism isn’t about celebrating the gutter. Hip hop and punk were both CIA-funded and promoted for the exact same reason the CIA funded and promoted Jackson Pollock a few decades prior.
In real socialism, musically-gifted Black boys in Detroit wouldn’t be using their talents through pushing buttons on a sampler. Rather, they would be sent to elite musical academies where they would learn to compose symphonies. White boys living in trailer parks, similarly, would be taken out of the trailer park and sent to elite schools where they could channel their talents for writing lyrics into beautiful art forms that serve the working-class. There is no logical reason why genuine leftists should support such low end “art” and “music” when we can turn to socialist art and music for real inspiration.
>>2487365Just bomb detroit to the ground, expel whoever survives to south america and let trump turn into into a riviera for jewish settlers
>>2508066Most of hip hop is money laundering. How can producers charge thousands of dollars for a beat it took them 15 minutes to make? Plus a lot of rappers like Lil Durk, Young Thug and Playboi Carti are openly gang affiliated so you know their “careers” are merely fronts for gang activity.
>>2508072Isn't that always the way? When black people want to invest in the real estate market and get a piece of the pie, white people are like "sorry, we're marxists now, we're not doing capitalism anymore"
>>2487365>”why can’t black people in America submit to the Chinese/Russians?”Because they don’t want to, idiot.
>Detroit music now consists of J Dilla "beat tapes" made by pushing buttons on a sampler and adding a distorted drum pattern
If it's that easy I strongly suggest you drop an album as excellent as Donuts. Millions of dollars in steaming all for 'pressing a few buttons on a sampler'
Idiot
If you genuinely think you can make a good hip hop beat in 15 minutes you're completely fucked in the head, also see
>>2510815 which was meant to reply to your original post
>>2510815i mean i dont fully agree with them but popularity is manufactured by advertising so you need connections and funding
>>2507402What’s the point of covering Detroit in socialist realism if there’s no industrial jobs?
>>2510973That's as true of any musical genre as hip hop beat production, and his cited example, J Dilla, was an underground producer who gained his fame due to prominent rappers recognising his excellence and wanting to work with him, as well as word of mouth and the internet following his death
>>2511234yeah its true of any media really
China has better things to do than to fix a city that should be America's responsibility.
>>2524335
What a great noticing. Noticed.
Why didn't Superman prevent the Holocaust?
wasnt there some chinaman lynched in detroit in the 90s?
its like hitler asking stalin for funds to rebuild his bunker in 1945.
What's stopping America from helping China? A lack of class consciousness and human solidarity among the 99%. And of course the 1% - the capitalists - don't give a shit, because why would they do something unless it directly materially benefits them? Worldwide suffering can only be stopped by worldwide collective action.
>>2524339Unfortunately superheroes, like most media, are a byproduct of the pro-capitalism zeitgeist so they are never really written with enough nuance to even begin to address the world's problems. The closest you get are indie stories or liberal apologia "I can't solve humanity's problems for them" as if somehow stopping crimes doesn't contradict that
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Superman-Peace-on-Earth>>2487365>What’s stopping China from helping Detroit?Americans.
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