Peskov you sly dog you know the response will be nothing since Cucktin is in charge so you're telling the Americans to go ahead ))))))
>Trump gets spooked by the Epstein list not going away even with his fanbase
>Suddenly Trump abandons all anti-war rhetoric he ran on
>Suddenly Suddenly we’re awash with anons promoting US imperialism as more comfy than what was previously just considered based by MAGA in rejecting globalism by force
Just waiting on Carlson to now film a video in the New York Subway saying “y’know your home is your home and you can’t be too against that”
>>2503664
Or using it for domestic investment to stop the Chinese pulling ahead economically.
But like, none of that fruity elitist shit, invest in mom and pop.
>>2503664
Canadian independence is unjustified. In practice they are already part of the United States.
As for Mexico, the Mexicans will not have to cross the border anymore.
MAGA is correct.
>>2503678Legions = fascist
Brigades = communist
>>2503683
Precisely, that’s why a pivot towards being pro-war on the basis that supposedly the US is robbing the Ukrainians and Europeans blind and are causing their competitors Russia (and allegedly China) to burn money pointlessly while the conflict continues, gels well with the wannabe-millionaire-but-still-blue-collar mindset and caused little to no controversy within maga.
>>2503684
Labour vouchers dawg
Read Cockshott
nafoid status?
>>2503749Seething and lying, as always.
>>2503805ok, and what are you doing to topple the Royal Pedophiles?
>>2503806Nothing because I'm not a head of state in charge of the Russian military but if you hand me control I'll win the war for you guys in 10 minutes.
I keep telling you guys, this is an interimperialist conflict. Like, come one.
Le interimperialist conflict. Future commies will call it such
>>2503807Based cucktin poster. I agree with you. I recently watched Thirteen Days about the Cuban Missile Crisis. Jesus Christ, I honestly felt like JFK was cucktin. Maybe russian elites also watched these movies and thought, let's help americans by not provoking them like corn lord. Still, what a fucking cuckening.
Guys, let's be real, the reason all this cuckening is happening is because russia is a fucking weak country and most of its functional, socially useful citizens are bigger treatlerites than westoids.
Russians are just goody two shoes by nature. It is their national peculiarity. I am not joking. Every russian, maybe most of them are goody two shoes good boys. Not the russian women though. They are more vicious. They retain honor but they are vicious.
Putin is a humanitarian. If it was Dimon in charge right now he'd fuck shit up.
>>2503825Russia has more women than men so the gender roles switched. Women are basically men over there since they have to whoop the men into submission as they are drunk bastards contemplating life like dostoyevsky. The image of the russian mature (50+) or babushka hitting her drunk husband with a broom frequently comes to mind.
>>2503825 (me)
Shouldnt have mentioned russian women, because there is no such thing since women have no nationality.
>>2503825That's just the Soviet superstructure bleeding through the generations. If Russia continues to live long enough under capitalism they'll become just as bad as the Americans. Everything depends on the next generation of youth. It's been reported that they have strong socialist sympathies but if they do not succeed in pushing for a left turn Russia is screwed and Dugin and his fascist buddies get free reign.
>>2503830Nickname for Medvedev I think
>>2503828Press X to doubt. May I remind you it was Dimon who invited westerners to parade in red square 2010?
>>2503830Dmitry (Dimon) Medvedev
>>2503829You have two look at russian literature to understand russians. Even Raskolnikov in Crime And Punishment turned himself in to the police. Russians have a strong conscience. Most of them at least. There are pathological excpetions
>>2503833> Dugin and his fascist buddies get free reign. But dugin is a communist. He is friends with the ACP.
/s >>2503833Nothing to do with soviet superstructure. Russians were always like that even before ussr. If it is soviet structure then all postsoviet people would be goody two shoes like russians.
>>2503834It was a gesture of good will. After all, Dimon is still russian.
>>2503836I will never forgive Haz and Jackson Hinkle (less so on Jackson Hinkle because it's obvious Jackson is a pure grifter who doesn't know anything about anyone and just goes along with whatever Haz does) for platforming Dugin and trying to rehabilitate him.
If you are the leader of a movement, any movement, it doesn't matter if it's a movement as stupid as the ACP, it is YOUR responsibility to vet and do background checks on the people you ally with. Haz completely failed on this front to hold Dugin to account. Fucking Lukashenko pushed back harder against Dugin (saying that Marxism was better than anything anyone else ever came up with) than Haz ever did.
>>2503829Russian men turn to alchohol because their philosophisings take a toll on their psyche. They are very christian and probably think they live in a fallen world
Pidrila pederation collapsing
>>2503843Batko is based obviously. Bulba country forever.
>>2503835Counterpoint: Dostoevsky (who wrote that book) regularly visited prostitutes and was a hardcore Tsarist who believed socialists were evil and thus would write bullshit story-lines like that and was not by any means a beacon of moral virtue himself.
>>2503817> russia is a fucking weak country and most of its functional, socially useful citizens are bigger treatlerites than westoids.Posting this trvke is a bannable offence on leftypol comrade. We must all believe in strong "infinity everything" rasha for the sake of the cause
When I help victims of imperialism, they call me a saint.
But when I ask why are they victims of imperialism, they call me a zigger.
>>2503849Please, the mods don’t even monitor this thread, let alone display a bias towards ziggers
Noone here is disagreeing with the thesis of Putin being a humanitarian. It is now a leftypol consensus then.
>>2503847Didnt Dostoyevsky also call himself a socialist?
A lot of people think we nafos are bots or paid agents. Let me be clear, we are not bots and we do it for free.
Dostoyevski was a revolutionary
>>2503847counter counterpoint: turning yourself in is a hacky deus ex machina that moves the hacky plot towards hacky catharsis and an even hackier redempion through suffering
eastern people love their suffering
eastern literature sucks major dick btw
>>2503843>failedZigga, this is the same guy who PRAISED
<LaRouche<Nick Land<Dugin<HeidiggerHaz didnt fail shit. He already agreed with dugin.
>>2503885Cucktins cuckery is our currency. The more cuckery the more we come here to complain about cuckery.
>Haiku intended. >>2503884No. Maybe in his earlier years he was sympathetic but most of his published works are devoted to criticizing the socialists of his day. He joined up with some retarded return to tradition Tsarist LARP:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pochvennichestvo >>2503825>Not the russian women though. They are more vicious. They retain honor but they are vicious.Why does this part of your post soundly sound super personal like you went through a bad breakup with a Russian woman lmao
>>2503900Russian women are both some of the biggest prudes and biggest sluts and can switch on a dime its fucking scary.
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) >>2503825kek, this is what I notice on Xitter and Telegram too. The Russian women are much more likely to complain about the Kremlincucks than the Russian men are. The Russian men are more split, with half of them smelling their own virtuous, super patiently delivered farts.
>>2503915easy to cucktinpost when you are not the one on the frontlines
>>2503971It seems to me that they're keeping a cumulative % and not decreasing it for repair work. The % that matters is the instantaneous %. Agent Z needs to realize that the Kremlin boomers aren't going to give a shit if the instantaneous % is too low.
>>2503942Russian mothers are ferociously protective of their sons. Russian fathers are too often deadbeats.
>>2503950Did Putin ever talk to Dugin?
Why did Ukros bomb Dugin s car and ended up killing his daughter?
If they had their terro agents so well infiltrated in Moscow, wouldnt it better to bomb someone actually important?
>>2504012Christcuck nonsense. The 21st century is so devoid of talent that we get only discount Rasputin.
>>2504012no, he's just like this. he really did get the worst kind of schizo-autism, i regularly feel sorry for him.
>>2504015 (me)
Though I must admit he has a terribly difficult task: it's next to impossible to use social media without immediately losing all mystique. What made Rasputin so captivating was his "in the world but not of it" aura, his long absences, his few words. Hard to pull that off in the treatlerite economy.
>>2503990>Did Putin ever talk to Dugin?No, he has little relevance there. Dugin came up in Western intelligence and propaganda because during the return of east west conflict and decline of the pro-EU center in Europe, Dugin talked to the nationalists in Europe. When the time came for liberals to blame a digitalized, international specter of nationalism rather than globalization for a crisis, Dugin was a useful scapegoat linking things. Here demand exceeded supply once the war revealed Russian allies.
>>2504073nta.
My wishful thinking: Dugin has no influence on the Kremlin but is hopefully within grapevine range to hear about changes in policy.
Maybe also noteworthy: "There's a war going on. Yes, the 'special military operation' is one thing, but what’s happening around us is a war. Right now, it’s at its sharpest stage, and it’s quite fateful. We need to win it for the sake of our children, our grandchildren, for their future." – Peskov
>>2504073Good to know. My anarchist cousin screeches and apes around every time we talk about Russia and most of it is from his fixation around 'muh hyper fascist Dugin'
>>2504105Dugin isn't fascist, he's just a po-mo anti-liberal.
neo-nazis thugs from ukraine are disgusting, but the actual nazis in the government are the ones who are truly dangerous
>>2504112in the Russian*government that is
I keep seeing comments that Russian TV is airing the Trump/Vance belittling of Russia and that internal media/political pressure on Putin is suddenly ratcheting up for heart hardening. Is this true? (no, I don't mind that one pundit dude in the viral vids who's been raving since 2022 about this.)
e.g. from some Greek dude BazingaGR on Twitter:
>Σήμερα άκουσα ότι αγριεύει η αστική τάξη και μάλιστα πρώτη φορά παίχτηκε στην Ρωσική τηλεόραση ολόκληρη η ομιλία Βανς. Ζητούν ισοπέδωση της Ουκρανίας αλλά Ισραήλ. Σε πίεση λοιπόν ο Πούτιν
>Today I heard that the bourgeoisie is going wild and in fact for the first time Vance's entire speech was played on Russian television. They are calling for the leveling of Ukraine but Israel. So Putin is under pressure.
>>2504120>I don't mindmean*
>>2504111Ah he just praised Carl Schmitt and called for Russia to fight for regional hegemony by accident I guess, those pomo are very clumsy!
>>2504128Carl Schmitt is a staple of modern political thought. Was Marx a monarchist for praising Hegel?
>fight for regional hegemonyRussia is simply fighting for its natural regional influence. Every region needs a center of development, why should regions that have only known development under Russian tutelage have the fucking USA as their center of development? Its only natural that Russia would demand the right to act as the center of the development for lands that were historically within the Russian civilization.
>>2504144>libshit porky ramblingso dugin is a liberal in the end
>>2503893>nick landHaz is a repressing trccn confirmed
>>2504015>>2504012It is not christcuck stuff. It is deleuzian tiqqun reading rhizomatic trccn stuff.
>>2504150Nothing but buzzwords I see.
>>2504012>EschatologyScat hehehe
>>2504128>Ah he just praised Carl Schmitt and called for Russia to fight for regional hegemony by accident I guess, those pomo are very clumsyNo, he's right. Dugin rejects all modernist ideologies, he's that reactionary. He just rehashed it for some postmodernist thing I don't understand. I suspect it's no coincidence he piggybacks on the decline of modern forces in the wake of Soviet collapse and liberal decline, coming out as some prophet of the return of traditional civilizations especially outside the west and Europe
The Chinese also read Carl Schmitt. He's an influence on international relations, believe it or not. I had to read him for my degree.
>>2504087I'm not sure I'd count on him having some insider knowledge. I've read he's a minor professor at some uni and years ago his book was read at some military academy. But this isn't why he's on the Western radar, it's because he was suspected in the hybrid warfare buzz of being a sort of Russian soft power orchestrator of a euro nationalist international. This began with the Ukraine crisis, because Dugin talked to some separatists and organized some far right European volunteers for election monitoring in Crimea. His relation to the Kremlin, events in Europe, and forces in Ukraine consistently proved fleeting though, he's not much of a driver of events or connected to those that are. More like hype man on the side, eager to see that he was right and act as a herald in his mind
Ironically, he was as wrong as libs after 2022. Libs believed Russia wanted to split Germany from the west and would clash with China, as did Dugin. The opposite happened
>>2504186As always, I blame Putin for not destroying the hope of the worst people on the Internet by taking away their Ukraine toy promptly and decisively.
Oh, I blame him for the fact that I still have to see Zelensky's face on my feeds, too.
>>2504186Ew soy! Ew ew ew. And these are cis men too. Ugh, so soy, so embarassing.
>>2504186These people are an counter argument to dead internet theory and reddit being just literal chatbots. No bot would be made so insufferable on purpose.
The city of Luh/gansk was founded by an Englishman, Charles Gascoigne.
The city of Donetsk was founded by a Welshman, John Hughes.
Furthermore, following the Norman invasion of 1066 many Anglo-Saxons fled Britain and traveled across the sea to resettle in a Nova Anglia, located in Crimea and the Donbas/s.
Neither Ukrainian nor Russian has a historical claim the these lands.
Neither Ukrainian nor Russian built the cities in the contested regions.
It was British minds, British hands, British blood that founded these lands.
Hands off, Slav! Return these Britannic lands to whom crafted them.
>>2504205How do you establish deterrence to prevent this from happening? This is a serious escalation.
>>2504300you sink a french ship
>>2504205>NATO will now openly hijack tankers and steal Russian oil for freeDon't worry Ziggers, Cucktin will retaliate by failing to knock out Kiev's power grid for the sixth time in a row.
>>2504309No that sounds dangerously rational, reasonable, and proportionate. We must wait for St. Dugin or St Medvedev to make a schizo twitter post whining about how unfair it is and then for nothing to happen afterwards.
>>2503830I hate this fucking guy Vsshh or whatever the fuck his name is. He's a fucking idiot.
>>2504310Cuckler strikes again.
>>2504073eve after that, he was irrelevant. he only came into relevancy thanks to the nazis that killed his daughter.
>>2504208it's been a week since Russia is hammering heavily the substations, the repaired TPPs, and other infraestructure.
Hey NAFOids, raid again. Or did the government shutdown kill your funding?
>>2504375Last time Russia was targeting power - back in February or March - Trump begged Putin to stop (thereby conveying US fears), Putin agreed to a 30-day energy ceasefire, Ukraine violated the ceasefire immediately, yet Putin insisted on adhering to it. Then when the 30 days were over, he didn't bother picking it up again, probably not wanting to tarnish the Trump diplocuck path. No wonder Trump has become so brazen lately. Let's hope Russia remains relentless this time.
What's the deal with France's Defence Ministry instructing the country to be ready for imminent war, possibly as soon as tonight? Is that a nothingburger or are they expecting Russia to retaliate for this tanker seizure?
>>2504533britain's former mi6 chief also made a statement last week saying it was at war with russia. although it was not a conventional war, rather an unseen one via spies, drones, and cyber attacks.
it sounds like this is part of some coordinated media messaging
>>2504533Retaliation over a tanker seizure seems really extreme. That's the kind of thing that gets handled in the courts, and if they aren't willing to seize that $300b in Russian assets it seems really unlikely they're gonna go to the mat over a tanker.
There has been talk about some kind of false flag in the works, and all the recent shit with "drone incursions," gps spoofing, jets crossing into eez, etc, does seem like it's building up to it, but so much of this stuff seems like such small potatoes.
The only thing I can think of that would be not totally insane would be nato and Ukraine moving on Transnistria. With the recent, eh, "vote" in Moldova winning the nato party a win, they need to sort this breakaway region shit out. There's been rumors that UK and French forces landed in Odessa, ostensibly towards that end.
I don't know much about the politics of Moldova, but it's hard to imagine that going well if it does. It would also mean attacking the Russian troops stationed there, which might be the trip wire nato is planning to step on. I remember last year I think there was talk of Ukraine attacking Transnistria to try and seize the weapons depots there, but I couldn't tell you more than that.
>>2504553Prelude To Nuclear War: Why Trump Will Be Forced To Enter Ukraine War To Back Europe
Part 2 of my latest discussion with Jamarl Thomas 29/09/25
https://www.intellinews.com/russia-s-military-production-goes-into-surplus-403631/?source=russiaRussia's military production goes into surplus
>After more than three years of heavy investment, Russia’s military production has gone into surplus, producing more arms and ammo than it needs to perpetrate the war in Ukraine, the Kiel Institute reported.
>All the main arms categories – tanks, military vehicles, artillery, and drones – have seen production increase by almost 200% or more since the war began in 2022. Before its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, it had planned to deliver about 400 armoured vehicles the following year. It’s now shipping ten-times that.
>Sanctions were designed to starve the Russian budget of the means to fund its war against Ukraine, but the latest production numbers show that effort has decisively failed.
>“Russia has dramatically scaled military output since late 2022, doubling or tripling production in most categories despite sanctions. Annual figures include 1,776 main battle tanks, 6,564 infantry fighting vehicles (IFVs), and 672 self-propelled howitzers, with monthly peaks of 150 tanks and 550 armoured vehicles. Artillery shell production reaches 10,000 daily, supported by 7% GDP defence spending (comparable to EU+UK combined in PPP terms),” the report found. “However, output has plateaued since the first quarter 2024, relying on Soviet stockpiles and allies like North Korea. By 2030, Russia could add 12-16 brigades, totalling 1.5mn active troops. Production has doubled across the board or increased even further, as in the case of tanks.”
<Arms race
>Russia has just released its latest 2026-2028 budget that keeps military spending at around 8% of GDP after Russian President Vladimir Putin put the entire economy on a war footing as soon as invasion happened over three years ago.
>Ukraine is, however, entirely dependent on external funding from its allies: it is short some $8bn-$19bn (depending on if there is a ceasefire) for 2025 and the unfunded gap in next year’s budget was just increased to $65bn by the International Monetary Fund (IMF), all of which will have to come from European partners this year, after the US sent no money to Ukraine since US President Donald Trump took office. Ukraine is standing on a financial cliff the IMF reported on September 12 and faces a possible macroeconomic collapse if its allies cannot find more money to fund its war effort.
>While Russia suffered from shortages and the lack of access to technology in the first years of the war, those problems have been solved in the meantime. Factories in Russia’s hinterland are working three shifts 24/7 to churn out the materiel that the Armed Forces of Russia (AFR) needs.
>Ukraine has also been investing heavily into its domestic defence sector with the help of Western allies under the so-called Danish model. Earlier this month Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) now sources some 60% of all it needs from its own factories, up from 40% at the start of this year. Ukraine has also become entirely self-sufficient in the production of drones, the determining factor in the war, and more recently has started making its own Flamingo cruise missiles, which could prove to be a game changer.
>However, the AFU remains under pressure as Russia is outproducing it in terms of arms and ammo to the point where it has started to restock Soviet-era stockpiles depleted by years of war. The Kremlin has a long-term plan to rebuild its military over the next decade and even if a ceasefire were called tomorrow, analysts say the Kremlin will continue its heavy spending on its military-industrial complex, in a throwback to the Cold War-era.
>And it's not just the volume of production that has improved: Russian engineers have innovated and the Kremlin’s partners have supplied it with new technology.
>At the start of the war, Russia imported thousands of Iranian-made Shahed drones, but in the meantime it has built factories to manufacture the Gerad-2 attack drones, based on Iran’s Shahed 136 design, most recently adding a jet engine to the drone to improve its speed and range. Having initially imported 140,000 drones in 2023, it made 1.5mn last year and is on course to double that number this year.
>Ukraine made an estimated 2mn drones in 2024 and plans to raise that number to 4mn this year, if it can find the funding to expand. Zelenskiy said last week that up to 60% of Ukraine’s drone production capacity is currently idle for lack of investment. There is talk of easing export controls on arms to attract investment and Kyiv is in talks with Warsaw about supplying it to create a drone wall to improve Europe’s eastern flank defences.
>At the same time a decoy drone was found on the battlefield in Ukraine that was filled with Chinese technology; previously Russian drones and missiles were entirely dependent on imported or smuggled Western chips and tech.
>In other areas like electronic warfare (EW), the advantage has swing back and forth in the drone war between Kyiv and Moscow, but Russia is believed to have the upper-hand at the moment and was also the one that introduced the idea of fibre optic-controlled drones that are impervious to EW counter measures; Ukraine initially belittled the innovation, but before widely adopting it for its own drones.
<Guns and butter
>Russia continues to spend heavily on defence, but the latest budget cuts military spending for the first time since the war began as Russia pulls ahead of Ukraine in the arms race and is devoting more money to the social sector and reconstruction of the Ukrainian regions it controls. Defence outlays between 2022 and 2024 were at least RUB22 trillion ($263bn), according to the Ministry of Finance (MinFin).
>For the first time since the war started in 2022, Russia's defence spending in 2026 will be modestly reduced, according to data cited by Reuters, from RUB13.5 trillion to RUB12.6 trillion ($153.7bn, 5.8% of GDP) from a total spend of around RUB48 trillion. Moreover, it will be slightly lower than the 2026 plans set when the previous budget was approved a year ago (RUB12.8 trillion).
>The Russian surplus means that it is also returning to the international arms market and intends to restart arms exports, previously a major earner for the Russian economy. Russian President Vladimir Putin is in active talks for sales of things like the SS-400 surface-to-air defence system with India and Russian companies are reappearing at major international arms fairs in India, China, the Middle East and Africa, reports Bloomberg. State arms exporter Rosoboronexport, which handles about 85% of foreign sales, says pent-up demand has sent its pipeline of orders to a record $60bn. Russia could export $17bn to $19bn of military kit annually in the first four years after the war in Ukraine, the Center for Analysis of World Arms Trade estimates. Nevertheless, Rosoboronexport’s order book is still only half of what the Kremlin is spending on defence.
>Putin is well aware of the dangers of overspending on the military-industrial sector and ignoring the civilian sector. In his “guns and butter” speech to the assembled heads of Russia’s six military districts he said that military investment should be directed to both parts of the economy. In a related move he appointed his top economic advisor Andrei Belousov as Defence Minister, who has no military experience whatsoever, but is a leading advisor to Putin on the management of the Russian economy. The focus is on dual-use production, which should already be possible for components in sectors such as shipbuilding, aviation, electronics, medical equipment and agriculture, according to Putin.
<Europe lagging behind
>The Kiel report compared Russia’s production to Europe’s and found it wanting. Europe's rearmament progress, while accelerated since 2022 (defence spending up to over 2% of GDP), remains inadequate for 2030 readiness. Russia's production surge outpaces Europe's in key areas, and procurement delays (averaging 3-4 years) exacerbate Europe’s vulnerabilities. Europe must procure equipment for 25-50 brigade-equivalent units to counter Russia, but reliance on US systems and bureaucratic hurdles are going to make this very difficult, the authors conclude. The €800bn EU ReArm programme may suffice in nominal terms but not at inflated wartime prices, requiring a focus on cost-effectiveness and R&D, the authors conclude.
>"We show that the situation today is even more concerning if Europe aims to be fit for war by 2030," the authors said. "Production must increase by a factor of around five to tilt the balance decisively in Europe’s favour."
>European stockpiles have declined since the Cold War, with no significant replenishment despite procurement rises, the report found.
>The current annual production lags Russia’s by a large margin: 50 tanks, 214 IFVs, and 202 howitzers, while artillery shell production will hit 1.95mn by 2027, surpassing US but still trailing Russia and its allies’ output.
>European procurement is still tied up in red tape and lack of funds. Delivery delays average 3 years, with over half of the existing orders still undated. Technological shortfalls also abound, including a lack of next-generation tanks plans or sixth-generation jets by 2045 that China, a close Russian ally, is already producing. Currently Europe is entirely dependent on imports of advanced air defence from the US. >>2504565It's hard to imagine tomahawks being fit for this. I'm sure under ideal circumstances they could hit their targets, but hundreds or thousands of miles inside Russian territory? Even if they are able to hit what they're aiming at, unless they're armed with nukes, no way that they're going to be able to do substantial enough damage to really affect whatever they hit.
>>2504565What's the source of this anyway? Wasn't this all based on wishful thinking by Kellogg?
>>2504565>For the first timeyeah, no. not for the first time.
>>2504571Russia TBH should plan to import J-35s, which should be superior to older and current (but not future) F-35s, with Russian core avionics and potential integration with Indian CCAs.
Given the Chinese interest in air superiority, it's perfectly possible for Russia to gain and keep air superiority in Europe, putting NATO on the back foot; 600 J-35s for 30 billion would match NATO's F-35s, backed by Su-57 and supplemented by Su-75.
More importantly, having J-35s in service and the logistics trains to support them would allow the PLAAF to fly to Europe quickly and go to town on NATO if it comes to that.
Potentially, we can Finlandize the EU, as much as the PLA's Finlandizing China's own region.
>>2504597Tbh beating the f35 just seems like more of an endurance problem than a technical one considering all the problems it has. Between the proprietary systems, reliance on contractors, and endemic production problems, it's hard to see them as a substantial impediment. There were rumors recently that Israel wouldn't even get them near Iranian airspace for fear of their AD.
>>2504611They ultimately broke through Iranian air defense though, no?
The deal with the J-35 is that it out-Americans the Americans, i.e, while stealth materials are likely poorer in endurance, the J-35 has better shaping and likely better frontal stealth, and if Chinese GaO radar is used, more powerful radar.
Then you have TVC and A2A design, and you have what amounts to a purpose-built F-35 killer.
I mean all of this is post-war, the Chinese won't sell unless the shit hits the fan this war, but it'll help Finlandize Europe.
Next time we do this, use drones to hold the front and aircraft and hypersonics to destroy EU infrastructure. Only 1500 km or so from Amsterdam to Moscow, hold ASML at risk.
>>2504597My brother in christ you can't even make Ukraine submit, no amount of chinese wunderwaffen will help you finlandize the EU
>>2504628The problem with Ukraine is that they're dirt poor and have no infrastructure. The cost of reconstruction is going to be in the 500 billion range. Doing it to Europe, on the other hand, I can easily see 40-60 trillion.
You don't need the EU to submit, just to lose their infrastructure.
>>2504627>They ultimately broke through Iranian air defense though, no?What, the f35? I don't think so. At least I've never seen any hard facts on the matter. I wouldn't say it's impossible but my understanding is that the f35 was relegated to launching missiles from over Iraqi, Turkish, or Azerbaijan's airspace.
>>2504144>Carl Schmitt is a staple of modern political thought. Was Marx a monarchist for praising Hegel?Marx also despised Russia at one point because it was a reactionary imperial bulwark and supported a liberal bourgeois war against it to chase "the descendants of Slavicized Mongol Invaders" back across the Dnieper.
>>2504171>Dugin rejects all modernist ideologies, he's that reactionary. He just rehashed it for some postmodernist thing I don't understand.Well a lot of postmodernism can dovetail into reactionary thought. Like this whole idea that the Russians have some "different regime of truth" that's so mysterious or whatever.
>The Chinese also read Carl Schmitt. He's an influence on international relations, believe it or not. I had to read him for my degree. I corresponded with someone who studied under Schmitt scholars who had traveled to China for conferences on him. He had some interesting things to say about it, but the main thing is that a lot of Schmitt's work has to do with liberalism and some of the problems it has, so Chinese scholars were interested in that at a time when China was opening up and experimenting with liberalism a bit. He definitely had a "moment" there but I also think it's a bit overstated because Schmitt was a Nazi and that got some attention in the Western press, mainly The Atlantic if I recall.
>But this isn't why [Dugin is] on the Western radar, it's because he was suspected in the hybrid warfare buzz of being a sort of Russian soft power orchestrator of a euro nationalist international … More like hype man on the side, eager to see that he was right and act as a herald in his mind Yeah. I was listening to an episode of Radio War Nerd talking about him, and they described him as a self-promotional type having run into him in Russia in the 1990s showing up at weird counter-cultural art things giving talks to bored goth chicks.
>>2504611The F35 is a stand off weapon delivery platform. Advances in signal processing means that “stealth” is of highly limited utility. Starlinks blasting most of the surface of the earth with radio signals means dispersed receivers using modern signal processing can detect “stealth” aircraft. The issue is that radar guided missiles need to be guided by ground stations until they are close enough for their onboard radar to lock on. And the datalink can be jammed or the sender targeted.
>>2504659In a jammed environment? There are all sorts of countermeasures to stealth, but good luck getting a weapons grade track at actionable ranges.
And the entire point of J-35 vs F-35 is that the only thing the J-35 isn't better at than the F-35 is strike. That, and notorious belly flips while taxi-ing.
Anyways, RIC can Finlandize the EU. The entire point is, South Korea is being neutralized by North Korea, which has half the population and one 30th the economy. Russia, if it opts for hypersonic strike strategy, can hold all of Europe at risk. Depend on drones for ground defense.
>>2503817>>2503825>>2503828reminder stalin didn't nuke washington because he thought burger workers were good people occupied by capitalist gangsters.
>>2504697
>It seems like you can search for any conflict caused by NATO and they'll be taking NATO's side "from the left" or at least gatekeeping the left's opposition to nATO's policy, by minimizing it's participation and denouncing some manner or another of campism or "tankies" or "authoritarians" as the reason one may not be totally on board with, say, the civil wars in Libya and Syria. Or pointing out NATO's pervasive meddling as, if not the origin, the main reason for the resulting escalation and general destruction of entire states.
Agent Kochinskiite
>>2504701
USA had no means of carrying this plan out due to USSR's superior air defences. USSR's ability to strike all of USA was real, though
>>2504703>>2504701As in, USA could maybe strike a couple of cities and lose all their bombers in the process. We've seen how USA stopped bombing North Vietnam after a couple of bombing runs because of unmaintainable losses; flying over much better defended USSR would have been literally defanging for USA's airforce
So no, lack of hits on Washington was entirely due to Stalin's benevolence
>>2504705
>to overthrow capitalism we must overthrow communism
Stage theory of revolution, but trot
>>2504703>USSR's ability to strike all of USA was real, thoughAnd yet they never had a first strike policy
>>2504708>Editor’s note: László Molnárfi is a 20-year-old student at Trinity College Dublin, where he is active in the student movement. A native of Hungary, he grew up in Brussels.Rootless cosmopolitanism. Jokes write themselves!
>>2503906Is he going to finally give up and withdraw from his imperialist landgrab? I mean he's made his country a laughing stock. It's a gas station without gas.
>>2504711>>2504710>Contrary to common belief, the Hungarian uprising of October 1956 was not anti-communist in nature. It started out as a reformist movement. As shown by the sixteen demands of leading revolutionaries, and the spontaneous setting up of workers’ councils, it was a rallying cry against the perversion of communist thought by Stalinist ideas, with many of its participants calling for the establishment of a democratic socialist government. Brutally crushed a few weeks later by an invading Soviet-backed army, the hopes for a ‘socialism with a human face’ were put to an end in the Eastern Bloc for the first time.Oh fuck ahahaha it's one of those "i'm from eastern europe so i know the horrors of communism" kind of people
>In the late 1980s, both the WP and the CPI received financial support from Eastern Europe’s most brutal state-capitalist dictatorship,[3] the Soviet satellite state of the German Democratic Republic.GDR - the most brutal? What the hell are they smoking lmao
>This does not seem to be the case for our movement today. In fact, the observable trend is that as the youth radicalize into Marxists, the leftist student scene is increasingly being taken over by the same ideas that dominated the far left in the past century.Indeed, it is the same old shit. That's why learning history is so important to dismiss anticommunist behaviour outright
>While Cuba’s healthcare system is impressive and its local-level decision-making is community-based, its ‘democracy’ overall isn’t something to look up to.Why are they admitting that not democracy gives better results than a democracy? That's a very dangerous thing to say! People might think that they don't need bourgeois democracy at all at this rate!
>The comments under this post speak of shock and disappointment that an organization which considers itself to represent the people would turn its back on workers protesting an oppressive government. Anyone who has seen what leaders of that "worker" uprising wanted would defend Lukashenko.
Honestly, what do NAFOids picture pro-capitalist revolts as? Show me protests that have no worker participation, lmao. What next? Are those far left retards going to claim that Nazi Germany's invasion of USSR was justified and good because Nazi Germany's workers were fed up with illusions of communism in the East and were bringing to the Eeast real democracy and socialism? pffft
>>2504710
>muh academic literature
Archives stopped being a proof of anything after they've let in Westoid propagandists. Cry about it, forgeries are commonplace things in history
>>2504722Assumes linear progress - but more important, assumes that the traitors in Russia won't order a retreat again when Ukraine is in danger of losing too much (losing too much makes the Western partners and potential energy clients unhappy).
>>2504686By Finlandize do you mean what Finland was 40 years ago or what they are now?
>>2504701
We'd have world communism if Stalin had hardened his heart.
>>2504701
>Probably the fact that the US had plans to nuke every population center in the USSR above 20k thousand had something to do with it.
But those are just annoying details, man!
>>2504698reminder that stalin wouldn't have hesitated to use all non-nuclear capabilities against an enemy
Tomahawks on MosKKKow
>>2504751In the interests of the destruction of Hoholistan, it might be a good idea. The General Staff and war Chads in Moscow need their ace against the Kirills and other Westoid bootlickers. Maybe Putin will stop shooting down MoD plans, like the plan to wipe out Bankova that Luka told us about.
>>2504697
yeah the co host actually created the kapitalism101 series which was great but unfortunately they suck ass now and he has since denounced and deleted it. the main guy kliman is the one who invented tssi and beefs with cockshott and heinrich to create this interesting space where western marxism has multiple sides that are all wrong.
>>2504757The runazi state won't survive this annihilation. Ru proles will be set free by Ukrainian heroes, free from fascist slavery.
>be gas station with nukes
>invade much poorer neighbor with 1/4 of your population
???
>run out of gas
>>2504810The problem you have, unless Agent Z ups his game against the Russian oil boomers significantly, is that you're going to be sitting on the Internet in a year or so wondering why the gas campaign hasn't stopped Russia's cuck-speed advance. Talk of running out of gas will seem as quaint as 2022 talk of Putin dying of blood cancer or running out of missiles.
>>2504810<run out of gasYou know full well that this meme will survive for like a month tops, and then it's back to usual? Russia has been destroyed in 2022, ruble turned to rubble, all tanks and aircraft lost in 2023, Russia has run out of men by 2024, etc etc
>Russia will lose because..
Notice how that is never followed up by talk of how well Ukraine is doing? Just assertions that Russia is going to an hero economically any day now.
Mercouris thinks the empire is going to launch another murder spree and do massive decap strikes or even invasion on Venezuela very soon, like within days or weeks. Also seems to think Vz will just get quickly btfo.
What do you guys think?
Russian oil product finds unexpected top buyer – NGO>Taiwan has imported nearly $5 billion worth of naphtha from the sanctioned country while supporting Ukraine, report claims<Taiwan imported 1.9 million metric tonnes of the hydrocarbon liquid between January and June, valued at $1.3 billion. Monthly volumes averaged six times higher than in the same period three years ago. Naphtha is primarily used in petrochemical and semiconductor production.https://swentr.site/business/625718-russia-taiwan-oil-exports/So narratively it makes sense why Ukraine is targeting oil facilities, but the part that is being missed out of that narrative is it being necessary because supporters of Ukraine can't help themselves when it comes to buying oil products off of Russia despite sanctions. Likewise, if they can't help themselves from buying Russian oil, are already stealing it from tankers in international waters, can they help trying to collapse Russia to get it for free? Probably not, thus demonstrating the threat NATO poses to Russia.
I can only imagine these particular attacks against Russian oil infrastructure are supported by nations that are still buying despite being pro-Ukrainian, is that making it as expensive or more so than American oil is the only way to ween the west off of dependency on Russian oil that they're not confident will fall into their hands anymore.
However, the profit motive doesn't have a brain, it's purely reactive. If Russian oil is "cheap" and cheap becomes expensive, then expensive is the new cheap and American oil is hardly going to accept their place at the bottom of the barrel next to Russia and China as a cheap source of oil, they have more than just a gas station and nukes to maintain after all.
>>2504858I think we're about to hear very soon from anti-campists how Venezuela deserve what they get for disrupting the comfiness of unipolarity.
>>2503591>le parody face of LavrovThis man unironically deserves the Nobel peace prize more than Obama, Trump, or whoms'tever third world NGO-funded third world fucker the CIA comes up with.
FACT.
>>2503664
Where is proofs
>>2504858>do massive decap strikes or even invasion on Venezuela very soonThey're not doing an invasion with some Putinesque attrition war. They're using either a coup (they've been trying to rouse opposition figures) or the US/Israel privilege of doing decap strikes.
>>2504863? It wasn't amusing in the slightest until you cropped it and got mad about it.
>>2504858FACT: commodity production exists in Venezuela
Fire away, Chairman Trump!
>>2504870>of doing decap strikes.It hasn't won the conflict for Israel in Gaza yet, nor did it result in victory in the War on Terror.
The US and Israel do "decap strikes" on insurgency orgs because the political and military leadership are one and the same, they didn't do a decap strike on neither Saddam, Assad or Gaddafi because they're only political leaders and wiping them out in a single strike doesn't wipe out military leadership, merely the only people whose authority to negotiate a surrender exceeds that of the military itself and has concerns that likewise exceed those of the military.
"decap strikes" make sense solely in the context of nuclear warfare, because the utilisation of nooks have strategically not been made the sole concern of military leadership, authorisation for their use must first come from the political leadership with the assumption that without that swift authorisation to retaliate, the military will hesitate for long enough to allow a first strike to then destroy military leadership before retaliation can come.
"decap strikes" are retarded in the context of conventional warfare because you have to assume, for example, the US Military doesn't breathe without Trump authorising each breath, that destroying the White House and the Senate with everyone in it, the US Military would be lost without their valuable guidance and they wouldn't actually love for the only concerns in conflict to be reduced to simply their own military concerns, free from politicians listening to campaign advisers and economists questioning shit.
In conventional warfare, political leaders don't enable military leaders, they're an obstacle for the military and one with the authority to order them to stand down completely, killing all the political leaders removes that authority to order a stand down.
>>2504879
Trump has alienated his base too much for Repubs to hold the midterms. I hope the Dems win and tie him up with lawfare - even though the Repubs and Dems are aligned on foreign policy, they won't be able to resist punishing him domestically, and that's where all his attention will focus.
>>2504890well, it's mercouris, but I believe he's right about this, as he usually is when he uses his brain instead of relying on "trust me, bro" sources from russia.
trump will absolutely do decap strikes without hesitation.
>>2504734The ironic part is that finland is now way more "finlandized" by any definition of the term than it was 40 year ago. The people who cried about it are now the ones who are doing the most ridiculous and humiliating Kowtowing towards Brussels and Washington.
>>2504909Dicksucking the West is okay. Dicksucking Moscow is not. It's just that simple. Why do you think those shitfucks complained about "Finland" not antagonizing Soviet Union?
What I'm curious about is whether the US and Israel are going to aura farm by doing a coordinated attack against Maduro and the Ayatollah.
Ex-NATO boss calls to sacrifice health and education to fund Ukraine>Jens Stoltenberg has claimed Western Europe must continue sending billions more to Kiev no matter the cost<Western Europe must keep sending billions in aid to Ukraine even if it comes at the expense of health services and education provision to citizens, former NATO Secretary General and current Norwegian Finance Minister Jens Stoltenberg has said.https://swentr.site/russia/625661-stoltenberg-send-billions-ukraine/Billions must be sent, billions must go without healthcare and education
>>2504917I mean, as a finance minister, he should surely know better than anyone that NATO states have infinite money while Russia has a smaller geedeepeepee than Texas, why would youths have to stop being educated to the fullest to give Ukraine the money to keep paying bus'd conscripts
as they absolutely do?
I've wondered for a long time what Chinese officials actually think of all the Christcucks in Russia and the West they have to deal with. Do they see them as gullible fools or as unscrupulous manipulators? Either would encourage keeping some distance.
>>2504915why would they dicksuck moscow when moscow dicksucks the west? better to go to the fountain cock than play human centipede
>>2504923The latter. The Chinese understand the fake religiosity is just a show for the plebs and people like Trump have never opened a Bible in their entire lives.
Daily reminder Russia is not fighting NATO, it's fighting Ukraine (and losing). I'm seeing too much premature celebrations here
>b-but muh aid
Both sides are getting aid, and its irrelevant anyway. What matters is whos actually doing the fighting.
>>2504936Russia will end up with their four oblasts when this is over, Ukraine none. It's not a satisfying end for me by any means, but I'd rather be Russian than Ukrainian in that situation.
>>2504916you think they would
two three front war on purpose?
ok yeah they probably would
>>2504943i think they are getting eight
>>2504936>Daily reminder Russia is not fighting NATO, Yes it is
>it's fighting Ukraine (and losing). it's not
>Both sides are getting aidThey're not
>and its irrelevant anyway. It's not
>I'm seeing too much premature celebrations here don't care what you're seeing. you seem to be blind, and have your head full of shit anyway. You should consider going somewhere else.
>>2504946They'd struggle to fight a multi-front ground war (or even a single ground war lol), but it's no skin off their backs to go on assassination and strat bombing sprees, especially when facing no blowback on the homeland or troops and when the partners of the victim countries counsel le epic restraint.
>>2504953Right but when Russia did invade Ukraine despite all NATO calls for restraint, that was apparently Russia falling for le epic Vietnam trap
>>2504956Read what I said again.
>>2504958Okay, and where have I gone wrong?
>>2503950>Doogin still thinks Trump has a consistent plan, agenda, ideaLol
>>2504159Poor (in the wallet)
>>2504956Do you see NATO as a partner of Russia providing earnest counsel?
Where do you see "invade" in that post?
Anyway, have fun.
>>2504953I dont think they have enough missiles for Russia Iran and Venezuela at the same time. If they try they will lose at least one theater and they are pretty critical so it will cascade into losing all three.
>>2504890>FACT: commodity production exists in Venezuela>Fire away, Chairman Trump!LMAO
>>2504936>aid They trained and equipped an army to standard from nothing then coordinated it from Europe, including in the 2023 counter offensive
I'm curious what more you exactly want lol
>>2504936Ukraine has received an entire lend-lease worth in aid already, even more than that, and Ukraine and EU are openly saying that Ukraine need this amount again to end the war
>>2504960ME
Victim countries = Iran, Venezuela
Partners = Russia, China
Counsel le epic restraint = Don't do anything significant to address the assassinations and strat bombing sprees
YOU
Victim country = Russia
Partner = NATO (???)
Not showing le epic restraint = invasion (only one possibility, other possibilities being reciprocal assassinations of strat bombing against significant targets such as Dimona / water desalination plants)
HTH!
>>2504986>YOUThe point is that it’s a case of damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
What you seem to think is that Russia and China ought to simply replace the US and NATO as the world police, rather than the world working towards doing away with a world police all together.
Which results in this bizarre take (if I’m understanding it correctly) where Russia are the bad guys for opposing NATO’s continued expansion to their own borders but are also the bad guy for not policing NATO elsewhere. The “correct” thing for Russia to have done is exhibit restraint with NATO moving nuclear capable launchers to cover more of Russia’s border, but they should have shown no restraint in moving a expeditionary force to Venezuela to deter the US from invading.
Again, if I *am* interpreting you correctly, I hope you now see the obvious flaw in your logic.
Russians have white privilege. If Russians were brown, the entire country would have been a smoldering radioactive wreck by now. But they are white, so they get 10,000 second chances and kids gloves treatment. Just like white mass shooters who inexplicably survive contact with police while black jaywalkers get gunned down.
>>2504994?????
Consult the Hague criminals list - it's either African people or Slavs
>>2504993>Which results in this bizarre take (if I’m understanding it correctly) where Russia are the bad guys for opposing NATO’s continued expansion to their own borders The only way I can make sense of your logic is if you think that I, as someone who's obviously (I would think) not a fan of too much restraint (having described it so mockingly as le epic restraint), was against Russia's invasion. Then maybe
>>2504956 works as some kind of gotcha by pointing out that I'm two-faced and criticized Russia's lack of restraint. This isn't true. I wanted the invasion, and if anything, I'm disgusted that le epic restraint prevented it from happening in 2014.
>>2505001Okay then I don’t know what you’re complaining about, because you must therefore know there’s no conceivable way that Russia and China can police NATO on the global stage when both have US military assets littered around their borders while the US has nothing on its borders.
China and Russia not exhibiting le epic restraint over Venezuela is going to be complicated by the fact that’s still very much a foreign conflict for the US as is military aggression towards Russia and China on or near their respective borders, while Multipolarista intervention against US imperialism is only going to to be a foreign conflict for a few seconds before immediately reaching their own borders.
If your point is instead that Venezuela needs to be told by Russia or China whether or not to assassinate US politicians and generals or can be consulted on not doing that even if that was actually an achievable goal, then that wasn’t even worth replying to and I apologise for wasting everyone’s time.
>>2505004>>2505005It seems that with this "ru nazi" and "russian fascist" poster running amok having been banned only once and the mods not responding to reports, you're too readily assuming everyone here who's mildly critical of the status quo (such as what I believe to be excessive restraint) believes nonsense like "Russia are the bad guys for opposing NATO’s continued expansion to their own borders," because I don't see how anything I've said would allow one to infer that. Hence why I often get more annoyed by the regulars than by the trolls during raids.
Anyway, I absolutely believe that Iran should have reciprocated in a proportionate manner when Israel was offing its leaders, nuclear scientists, very likely the PM, etc. And that Dimona and the desalination plants were legitimate targets when Iran had its nuclear infra attacked.
>>2505012But stuff like assassinations and sabotage aren’t something everyone can do, the CIA and its sister intelligence agencies have fingers in practically every pie with a promise of wealth, security and power as a uniquely plausible lure for figures in governments all around the world. It’s just not very likely that Iran has got loyal or blackmailed agents in Mossad to whom they can promise protection from their former employers. When Caracas fails to blow up a US general at his own home in retaliation for Tomahawk strikes or Fort Knox doesn’t get destroyed by drones flying all the way over Central America and the Gulf of Mexico, that’s not really going to be down to Russia and China giving council to Maduro on the virtues of not using Venezuelas obviously vast and pervasive intelligence network in the Washington DC to destroy the US government, is it?
>>2505018I just don't buy it that someone like, say, Bibi is walking out there completely invulnerable to the capabilities of a state like Iran or that Iran has no way to target facilities such as Dimona. Some redneck kid got within an inch of Trump's head.
>>2505022>I just don’t buy itSo it’s more plausible to you that Russia and China convinced Iran into inaction? As my earlier post states, perhaps it’s just not a good idea against political leaders anyway, but more generally you’re just downplaying the capacity of the CIA/Mossad/BND/MI6, etc, in a unipolar world.
The reason why if I’d have understood your point from the get-go, I wouldn’t have bothered replying, is that it can only be via either consciously concern trolling or more likely the genuine disbelief that unipolarity provides the CIA and friends capabilities that any aren’t equally available to the intelligence agencies of independent states.
If that’s genuinely your opinion of the matter
>”Mossad” can orchestrate the mass procurement of pagers to install explosives into and distribute them across Gaza into the hands of their targets and detonate them without ever being discovered during that process or really made a fuss of when inevitably a bunch of civilians also get killed, so why can’t Russia’s, China’s, Iran’s, Venezuela’s own intelligence agencies?Then you catastrophically underestimate how powerful unipolarity actually is.
We do know that Putin has talks with Iran on restraint.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/16/russias-putin-urges-restraint-in-call-with-irans-raisi-as-tensions-soarWhat we don't know is what Putin understands by "reasonable restraint," but we can make some guesses given what he does (or doesn't do) when NATO attacks his soil.
>>2505028Why are you giving America a kind of omniscience and omnipotence? It's unbecoming of you, and you and I both know you'd be the first (or second, can't forget our buddy Int Brig over there lmao) to inject some realism into any burger mania. This is silly - I know you don't believe the Westoid intel apparatus is that infallible. Iran has enough capabilities.
>>2505031>Putin urges restraint on a phone callLmao okay then, of course Iran had to obey that request from Putin and of course none of the Imperialist states ever urge restraint over escalations of their own making.
Forget about my effort posting, that there was a phone call where Putin diplomatically asks Iran to show restraint is why Iran now just chooses to not use its equal capabilities to the collective west’s intelligence agencies to solve its conflict with Israel, just blows everything I’ve said out of the water.
>>2505031if we can conclude it's yap season again because he did nothing when they got bombed then why even mention it at all?
>>2505038Yikes, that's no way to speak to your new best friend… who defended your honor when satire posting…
>>2505036Don’t be a bitch about it, by no means am I claiming they have supernatural abilities, I’m saying you can’t expect Iran or Venezuela’s intelligence agencies to have the same capabilities as that of the collective western military intelligence agency. That when Venezuela fails to pull off a plot that will turn all of those weird Burger King restaurant trucks the US military has into bombs, that’s going to be because they didn’t have the capacity to do that, not because Russia and China gave Maduro a call and pleaded him to please show some restraint for heaven’s sake!
>>2505044I'm not being a smartass about it. It's genuinely unbecoming of you. The American secret services struggle even to keep their subcontractors leaking shit. Defense is way more difficult than offense, because the offender has to succeed only once. Iran has top-tier drones, has been doing document dumps showing its humint embed ability, etc., and it's not as if Bibi sits in a granite bunker 24/7.
Also what’s the deal with the “best friends” thing? That’s come up occasionally over the years, but like, who is supposed to be offended at being telling people you think other people enjoy their company?
>>2505045The pager plot was almost comedically Hollywood as an idea that would be for the baddies, that it actually worked without a hitch is genuinely shocking.
>>2505046kek, I wasn't being malicious. If I wanted to be malicious, I would've joined the TankAnon/Kampuchea retardation and insinuated you were some radlib… instead of defending your honor by saying it's obvious sarcasm that you engage in all the time.
>>2505049Ah yes, Kampuchea disappointed me that day, I for one never forget a fellow flagfag. I served with him during the 2023 counter-offensive /ukr/ threads when he was Ushanka anon, he saved my damn life more than a few time rhetorically, but he was never quite the same once he touched grass. I suppose we all touch it some day.
>>2505052lol rare Spurdo W
I must admit I've sometimes been tempted to have a Putin speech bubble pic for replying to posts exhibiting comatose levels of passivity, but I thought better of shitting in my second home, so instead I grind on, hoping that one day, one day my fellow posters will appreciate the elegance of THD.
>>2505056We need more memes to lighten the mood thoughbeit, I mean I’m enthusiastically imposing a no fun allowed rule on nafoids but this is still an imageboard, we need memes.
I'm not very creative with memes. I'm more creative with war ideas like planting a nuke in Lviv and then dropping a nuke on the nuke in Lviv, but y'all shit on the idea even though it would be very interesting to see what happens.
>>2505080The Coke vs Pepsi bothsidist meme was pretty funny
>>2505083Wasn't one of yours incognito, was it? :/
>>2505085I’m too wordy to make visual memes, I’m the typical example of a leftist who can’t make memes
>>2505086What about incognito anti-camping to make the anti-campists look dumber than they are? Cuz I refuse to believe there are sincerely stupid anti-campists who can operate on an imageboard but who respond like
Campist: Why don't you ever hate on Ukraine and NATO? Why only Russia?
Anti-Campist: Why don't you ever hate on Russia?
Campist: oO(Uh, because I'm a campist? Are the lights on upstairs?)
>>2505089You’ve caught me, 80% of the posts in these threads are with the champsoc flag by volume, 15% is myself incognito making anti-campists look like silly buggers and only 5% are posts that are not just me taking to myself
>>2505045The reason evil countries like Iran or Russia don't go all out on offence has nothing to do with "cuckery". It is because they know that they are evil and on the side of wrong. So they know that escalation is not truly necessary at, because they are not fighting wars of survival, they are fighting wars for conquest and the maintenance of their personal power. So they don't escalate because they have no real need to. Putin can shut down the war and go home and his security and propaganda apparatus is good enough that he won't even be deposed or assassinated.
>itttttt'ssssssss backkkkk
>>2505094 (me)
In conclusion, calling Putin a cuck makes as much sense as calling Hitler or Hirohito a cuck. They are not "cucking out", they are the ones initiating an opportunistic war of robbery and genocide. Simply starting the war in the first place is the opposite of "cuckery". The only cuck here is Zelensky for not secretly securing nukes and nuking Moscow and St Petersburg.
>>2505094>offence Since fucking ChampSoc mentioned the Britishisms, I see them all the time now and then imagine bad teeth
>>2505098 (me)
In further conclusion, I guess you can call me a Zigger, but the Z stands for Zelensky instead.
>>2505100Wait, actually Cuckenskyist makes more sense. Let's go with that.
>>2505098>the anti-Ruzzian Zelensky-is-a-cuck poster enters the stageJust when we thought we'd seen it all…
>>2505101'Zelenscuck sounds better
Why do Russian officials keep (diplomatically) whining that America isn't responding to the INF offer? I'm glad they didn't cave during Trump's negotiation games on Ukraine, but they insist on being the slowest kids in the class when it comes to understanding burger psychology.
I don't buy that it's for the domestic or Global South audiences or anything like that either. There are ways of behaving like the adult in the room without looking like a simp who pleads and gets treated like a doormat.
Russia is the actual christ of europe, that's why
>evil countries like Iran or Russia
brainwashed westoid detected
>russian workers are striking
Guys is this cringe or based?
What kind of person riots and strikes when one's country is fighting against people who want to kill or enslave you?
>>2505131color revolution designed to sap the morale of brave and hard working Kremlin officials and the brave and hard working FSB shitposters in /ukr/
>>2505129>w-why wont these westoids just see the clear truth that invading and killing hundreds of thousands and displacing millions of people and causing billions of dollars of damage to things that people worked hard to create is actually a based 200IQ move towards communismI think there is a reason that 99% of leftoids pivoted to screeching about Gaza while maintaining radio silence on this war. The average leftoid has understood that even attempting to justify this war is losing them credibility.
>>2505137Sorry i forgot it is russia's workers' army.
>>2505131It's cringe, they are CIA agents. I hope Putin shoots them all.
>>2505147ChampSoc, sarcasm doesnt suit you.
This war wouldnt have happened if cornman didnt give crimea to ukraine, simple as
>>2505138even as an anti-Z guy i have to admit that Gaza is legitimizing Russia's war. what disturbs me more than anything is the pure hell that both Ukrainian and Russian soldiers have to go through. the frontline is reduced to something medieval and ancient. soldiers spend most of their time hiding from and evading drones. Ukrainian troops in the trenches are largely mobilized proles and ethnic Russians while the Russian assault troopers are poor ass guys down on their luck while the elite youth of both countries still go out to the nightclubs and flaunt their parents' wealth. it's disgusting and only strengthens my hatred for industrial warfare.
but the funny thing is that Israel doesn't give a single shit about Ukraine and would gladly suck up if possible all the munitions and systems that were originally intended for Kiev.
>>2505138Again I must ask the True Leftists (tm): why do you always use a weak left-coded argument instead of the stronger left-coded argument about this being a war in which neither side targets the other's elites? We know why: Because then, though you get to criticize Putin, you inconveniently have to criticize Zelensky too, which isn't a problem if you're a genuine "anti-campist" but which is a problem if you're actually some diehard NAFOid trying to pass muster in leftist spaces, a diehard who can't bear to criticize Zelensky even for rhetorical gain.
>>2505146But Iraq fought Iran who are the Good Guys. Therefore Ukraine is the Good Guys for beating up Iraq.
>>2505138>w-why wont these westoids just see the clear truth that invading and killing hundreds of thousands and displacing millions of people and causing billions of dollars of damage to things that people worked hard to create is actually a based 200IQ move towards communismbut they do believe that, except they think its good not because of communism but because we spread democracy against evil authoritarians or smth like that, a better world in any case
>>2505149Will the real ChampSoc please stand up
But it seems attempt #9001 at a seething at Russia alternative to /ukr/ just got deleted by the mods, which had a link to an article from the Moscow Times about striking
The Moscow Times being a primarily English-language news outlet.
>>2505149At least you folks are detecting his sarcasm now and I don't have to point out the obvious.
>>2505160That wasn’t me tbh
>>2505164D'oh, dammit. I considered that possibility but wrote it off because it looked like you were using a ridiculous namefag to make the sarcasm extra obvious.
>>2505169No I think “zigger maximus” is someone’s way of letting me know I’ve never once fazed them.
>>2505131not enough info. what are they demanding? some workers are full of shit
>>2505138the USA and its allies do that stuff way more than Russia, not even close. And the death and destruction of this war are primarily their fault anyway. They had peace in the Minsk agreements and wanted war instead, so wouldn't stop attacking Donbas and provoking Russia. Then they kept escalating afterwards despite plenty of obvious off-ramps. If you want a war don't pretend to be the victim afterward or pretend only the other guy is responsible for the carnage that results. Ukraine and US-NATO wanted the carnage, they're just not happy that they're losing failed to achieve their goals.
And most western leftists don't understand geopolitics and just want free healthcare and liberal social policies. Broad leftism is also a kind of cult of losing. You're only worthy of support if you're getting btfo (like the Gazans). If you're standing up and fighting and, god forbid, winning, you're suspect and probably doing something wrong and unrighteous. To most leftsts what you're supposed to do is get completely btfo and lose with dignity. Then their good and evil narrative can remain uncomplicated.
>Ru workers go on strike over poor pay
Leftypol: this is le bad akshually, did you know that in HATO they [20k word essay]
>>2505160He is a sarcastic person thats for sure.
>>2505171 Typical indirect passive aggressive westoid leftoid bitch behaviour tbh
>>2505160Sarcasm is his way of being passively aggessive
Things seem to be heating up way too quickly.
Gildbert "lolcow" Doctorow doesn't have good predictive power (what will happen), but he does have good descriptive power (what is happening, from which we can draw our own interpretations), and he's saying that Russian TV has suddenly started criticizing Putin's soft approach to the war – not just that usual boomer who does this (his name begins with 'S') but even Kremlin-friendly broadcasts as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80RIa_KHCR0It's a shame he starts talking about a "palace hardliner coup" because there's a point he mentions but glosses over, which is that Putin himself could be okay with the broadcasts, prepping the Russian public for tougher moves. In any event, the domestic pressure is building.
>>2505192You mean mobilization? Finally, kprf should have pushed for mobilization, since it is in the interest of the russian workers to stop attacks on the russian workers by the ukrainian bourgeoisie state.
btw the source of the strikers story is based in Amsterdam despite the name has these headlines on its homepage
>As Kremlin Boasts of Arctic Riches, Indigenous Peoples Struggle to Survive
>In the Donbas ‘Fortress,’ Ukraine’s Soldiers Refuse to Yield
>Russia's Billionaires Are Losing the Global Wealth Race
>China's Visa-Free Policy for Russians Isn't the Win Moscow Says It Is
>Putin Can't Hide Russia's Gasoline Crisis
>Russia's Eurovision Rip-Off Exposes Kremlin's Delusions of Cultural Grandeur
>Can Russia’s Militarized Economy Ever Return to a Civilian Model?
>Fatima Suleymanova: 'Europeans Have Far More in Common With Chechens Than With Russians'
>Beyond Putin and Xi’s Bromance, Chinese Culture Creeps Into Daily Life in Russia
>Russia Faces a Fraught Homecoming for Hundreds of Thousands of Ukraine War Veterans
>Their Fathers Fighting in Ukraine, Some of Russia’s Military Children Fall Into a Broken Orphanage System
>Their Fathers Fighting in Ukraine, Some of Russia’s Military Children Fall Into a Broken Orphanage System
With the authors for the vast majority of them having names implying they're either western or Ukrainian.
>>2505125neither christ nor europe
>>2505200>donbas fortressLike stalingrad fortress or fortress europe
>>2505192The gloves are already off. Russia can't fight any better than it already is without mobilising ten million men into the meat grinder. Ukraine will be happy to slaughter them as they come like they did with the previous 1.1 million
>>2505189How do you be openly aggressive online?
>>2505187>>2505189Same person, I presume. You obviously have a grudge and are indeed fazed. Imagine letting fucking ChampSoc of all people get under your skin lmao. Even I as a prolific Cucktinist wipe the slate clean the next day, and we get along some days.
>>2505205Based socialist russian state reducing the working week and giving wage according to need. These workers will now have more free time to do intellectual labour of their choosing and to get involved in politics and administration of their homeland.
>>2505207you can just tell a puccian pucci to enlist already, seriously why aren't you getting that ruble bag
>>2505213So being an internet tough guy? I have to say I prefer the sarcasm
Oh! There I go again!
Rosa won, btw.
RAID LEVELS AS SMO INDICATORS
<One or two anti-campist trolls
>Ukros have suffered some kind of humiliation on Twitter
<Mass raid but no coordinated feel to it (bunch of /uhg/ and /k/ope losers)
>Cucktin has shit the bed again
<Mass raid with coordinated feel (has happened only a few times since 2022, including now)
>Cucktin is about to do something really based
>>2505226What level are we at currently?
>>2505226Is this an own? Of course I come here when some bullshit happened lmao
>>2505215love how "internet tough guy" is an insult when youre directly cheering on day after day of slaughter, i really wonder how you haven't killed yourself out of shame yet but i understand shame is an alien concept to Westoids.
>>2505229Level 3.
>>2505230Something has you guys rattled. I'm terminally online and haven't seen this class of activity since the days before Surovikin went ham on electrical infrastructure for the first time in 2022 or the days leading up to Mr. Oreshnik last year.
>>2505240So, Putin is about to do something based? What? Resign?
>>2505244No idea, but Cucktin occasionally manages to surprise me.
>>2505247Mods, ban anyone who says cucktin
>>2505252We obviously won't need to call him that anymore if he's gonna do whatever it is you nafoids are terrified of
>>2505257Are we going around in circles now?
>>2505233>cheeringWhat are you talking about? Noone here is cheering for that.
>>2504927>moscow when moscow dicksucks the westwhen you get on your head 12k western sanctions come back to me.
>>2505176>Ru workers go on strike over poor paywhy aren't you screeching about these ones?
maybe you are deeply pessimistic, and know you can't expect one gram of revolutionary potential on the working class of the west?
>>2505294Are they striking?
>>2505294>Comparing job lossess to strikes of still employed workersAre you dum dum?
>>2505302>people who risk to be fired, seeing others getting fired, can't strike to prevent preemptively their job loss.who's the dumb.
>>2505307answer this
>question why aren't you screeching about these ones?>maybe you are deeply pessimistic, and know you can't expect one gram of revolutionary potential on the working class of the west?or you are the one and only dumb person ITT
>>2505314I'd rather you answer them for me.
>>2505322Typical ukrainian behaviour. Everything is for clout and about clout.
Westoid workers surplus value is being used to fund war. If only they did general strike.
>>2505322Hohols have zero respect for anything but posturing for international gibs
Why is it Putin who is cuck when Putin is getting money from Europe to wage this war?
>>2505341Now post the meter on the fuel pump lmao
>>2505349lmao, I'm stealing this one for something totally unrelated to geopolitics.
Pretty platitudinous speech from Putin rn.
Either he's vastly underestimating the urgency of the moment with what the US/NATO vultures are doing or I'm vastly overestimating it from my armchair.
Following Lenin’s Legacy: Putin Plans Major Seizure of Property>The Kremlin intends to nationalize the assets of Western companies in Russia if Brussels starts seizing frozen Russian central bank reserves to aid Ukraine, reports Bloomberg.<Companies at risk include UniCredit, Raiffeisen, PepsiCo, Mondelez, and others still operating in Russia.The EU has already transferred €4 billion of frozen Russian assets to Ukraine, half of which will be used for drone production.
https://nitter.net/nexta_tv/status/1973476762723164212#mWow Putin is being compared to Lenin, no wonder the imperialism understanders were getting rowdy today
>>2505361Spirit of Lenin should have possessed that Cuck a long time ago.
>>2505365All comments are supportive of those affected businesses going out of business, Putin really is Lenin!
>>2505361>PepsiCoBoth-sider PepsiCo glowies BTFO
>Putin: If Trump was President the Ukrainian conflict could have been avoided
whyyyyyyyyyy does he keep doing this…?
>>2505382You are not the real champsoc
>>2505380I think Putin might be gay.
>>2505384I'm afraid I am. That sockpuppeting anon is loving this.
>>2505322>>2505323>>2505332This is literally just Russian ha
zbara, kill yourselves
>>2505396The white one looks nice
Id wear this
>>2505396Seiko means cum in japanese
>>2505401Whats a ha z bara?
I think Ukraine thought Cucktin was going to do something drastic after getting a tanker hijacked and thus they ramped up their troll army but then Cucktin just made a speech with no follow up so the trolls are bored and just shitposting since Russia didn't do anything.
>>2505408Putin once again outsmarting everyone
>>2505408??? Russia blew up a lot of electricity distribution in Ukraine today. Zelensky is seething and threatening Russia to start hitting Russia's electricity now - even though Russian attack was a response to attacks on gas infrastructure
>>2505408>I think Ukraine thought Cucktin was going to do something drastic after getting a tanker hijacked Isn't it more likely the intended receiving nation is going to be the one to demand to speak to France's manager over where their delivery is?
>>2505418I bet it is some african country since france is raper of africa
>>2505415>??? Russia blew up a lot of electricity distribution in Ukraine today. Still very measured activity with limited impact. What looked interesting in Dnipro turned out to be a couple of transformers blown and repaired quite fast. Also doesn't seem to be affecting the Banderite-heavy areas much, if at all. We need Kiev and Lvov blacked out.
>>2505423You mean Kyiv and Lviv?
>>2505423>Still very measured activity with limited impact.I have to dispute that on the basis we don't know what has been impacted, because
>We need Kiev and Lvov blacked out.is buying into the narrative that Russia is trying to win by committing the same war crime Israel commits in attacking civilian infrastructure but is failing, as evidenced by Ukrainians still being able to enjoy a hot shower and a night out on the town, hence why Ukraine/Zelensky openly stating it's their intent to starve Russians into a "hunger strike" is acceptable.
Whereas I'm willing to wager all the AA radars, radios, drones, starlink terminals, etc require a shit load of 'leccy and the infrastructure for military electronics are not just the same infrastructure for general civilian electric.
"In fact, the army in Ukraine is workers' and peasants', the elite is not fighting" - Putin on the reason for the huge number of desertions by Ukrainians
>>2505436lol if he really said that.
> the elite is not fightingHe's so close!
>>2505436So then do some decapitation strikes on the elites you FUCKING CUCK how is ZELENSKY STILL ALIVE AT THIS POINT
>>2505138>I think there is a reason that 99% of leftoids pivoted to screeching about Gaza while maintaining radio silence on this war. The average leftoid has understood that even attempting to justify this war is losing them credibility.Most people are not talking about Ukraine anymore.
The SMO isn't hard to justify and there is little to be silent about given the decades of Western interventions the war is built on. The latter is intuitively understood. NATO was not disbanded after the cold war and after becoming the enforcer of globalization like the US, it came after Russians in Ukraine that opposed neoliberalism after Russia itself turned against it. Western decline made it necessary to thaw how Russia froze the conflict and continue expansion. This is because the collapse of communism briefly alleviated problems with capitalism.
>>2505447Honestly, at this rate, I'm seeing UN voting to spank Euroids for bad behaviour
>>2505439I remember at one point we decided that it would be funnier to deleg him so that he's hopping around on those foot-long metal rods.
>>2504894I don't see anything to fault in there exactly, yet why does the Zelensky case feel somehow different from the Bibi case? I see Israel managing just fine, carrying on just fine after a Bibi decap strike, yet in the Zelensky case, something feels different. Why? I dunno. Stronger cult of personality? Insecurity about every little Russian accomplishment?
>>2504894>"decap strikes" are retarded in the context of conventional warfare because you have to assume, for example, the US Military doesn't breathe without Trump authorising each breath, that destroying the White House and the Senate with everyone in it, the US Military would be lost without their valuable guidanceRight lol
>In conventional warfare, political leaders don't enable military leaders, they're an obstacle for the military and one with the authority to order them to stand down completely, killing all the political leaders removes that authority to order a stand down.I think this is not so much of a danger because high-ranking military officers very much think "politically" as well. They like to read Clausewitz and try to consider how war is guided by political objectives, and while there are different ways that civil-military regimes are constructed, it's not like the Argentinian generals who ordered the invasion of the Falklands weren't thinking politically and as political leaders. Maybe the fact that it was a military junta made the invasion more likely, that is possible. But I don't think it's the case that there's no stand-down authority in the absence of civilians or the generals would be paralyzed and unable to deescalate.
Now that reminds me of that Hegseth speech (in front of that stupid flag like he's Patton). One thing to remember is that Hegseth left the military as a major, which is an NCO rank and during a war would place him in charge of a battalion of 500 soldiers or so. He said a bunch of stuff about working out and getting haircuts and those things, but that was the kind of thing a battalion commander might say to some scruffy sergeants. Those are the kinds of things a battalion XO has to worry about. Of course now he's in a position to "lay down the law" in front of all the superior officers he resented when he was in the military eating buckets of shit everyday as a major/captain/etc. but those flag officers have other things to concern themselves with even if they probably don't disagree with what he was saying.
>>2505018>It’s just not very likely that Iran has got loyal or blackmailed agents in Mossad to whom they can promise protection from their former employers. >>2505022>I just don't buy it that someone like, say, Bibi is walking out there completely invulnerable to the capabilities of a state like Iran or that Iran has no way to target facilities such as Dimona. Some redneck kid got within an inch of Trump's head.It might be harder to take a shot at Bibi. Like not only is he not standing in the middle of a stinky cow field giving a speech on a platform, there's just way more security there and it's much more pervasive throughout the society, and there are security checkpoints and metal detectors all over the place. It's like how when you go to the airport and they tell you to never leave a bag unattended because it's a security issue. In Israel, it's like that everywhere and that's normal, and all that "if you see something, say something" is something people actually do. Like take that guy who shot Charlie Kirk, he was spotted beforehand and some guy was like "huh that's a little weird, just saying." But he didn't want to overreact or whatever or call the cops for whatever reason. But I'm not sure people would react that way in Israel to seeing someone shimmy up onto a rooftop in Israel armed with a rifle who wasn't clearly part of a squad of police or military.
>>2505028>So it’s more plausible to you that Russia and China convinced Iran into inaction? As my earlier post states, perhaps it’s just not a good idea against political leaders anyway, but more generally you’re just downplaying the capacity of the CIA/Mossad/BND/MI6, etc, in a unipolar world.Yeah, well I think they don't want to be targeted for assassination in return by other state leaders. The Israelis don't care but I think there are some unwritten norms among intelligence agencies, like the U.S. and Russian intelligence agencies. It's the same reason we don't nuke each other. There are gray areas and so forth, but for example I don't think they like to carry out bloody, violent operations on each other's core territory (at least directly, un-obscured by layers of deniability, proxies, and groomed Discord psychos who might be able to be prodded into taking a shot at someone). But poisoning someone or blowing up a warehouse in a third country is something they both do. Or you have Russia and Ukraine carrying out assassinations on each other's territory, but Zelensky and Putin have an unwritten understanding that one of them being killed means the other is fair game, and they haven't reached that point. Or like the U.S. and Russia will groom edge cases in each other's territory (look up the neo-Nazi group "The Base"), but they're not doing things like the SBU does in Russia and practically gloats about it, and vice-versa.
>>2505464Zelensky has indeed exiled people throughout this conflict with figures like Zaluzhny, Arestovich, Kuleba, etc being pretty high profile figures in Ukraine's leadership who have fallen out of favour within Kiev but not necessarily with pro-Ukrainians, he arrested his former backers, the Poroshenko faction are still fucked off about his election and prior to the conflict has had the military disobey him openly.
So, considering the fact he is still in place despite the enemies he has made and the lack of respect he had from his own military prior to the war, it would seem that his continuance is evidence of his importance and thus his elimination would be fruitful.
But alas, I suspect the chaos of different figures fighting in the resulting Radabowl would be over quickly and the faction to succeed would be… the military, considering the conflict is still ongoing and there is all hope to be had that Ukraine's situation might not be so dire if they had a military man running the country rather than a TV comic actor.
If Ukraine does overthrow Zelensky without that causing enough fracture and internal conflict to remain collected enough to continue ordering men to
certain death battle, then I believe we might see a situation where the political and military leadership are one and the same and thus Russia attacks the "government" itself since there's no longer a distinct difference between it and the military it is leading, but who knows, I'm not going to make guesses and predictions about what conditions would lead to Putin "taking off the gloves", I merely have a big think about what already is.
>>2505480>I think this is not so much of a danger because high-ranking military officers very much think "politically" as well. They like to read Clausewitz and try to consider how war is guided by political objectivesI won't argue that, but I would suggest that the resultant politics of men who wear medals and men who wear suits differ significantly and in contradiction of each other.
>Maybe the fact that it was a military junta made the invasion more likely, that is possible. But I don't think it's the case that there's no stand-down authority in the absence of civilians or the generals would be paralyzed and unable to deescalate.For sure, removing the political class doesn't preclude surrender because it can go the other way, like (and I hate to participate in the cliche) in WW2, there was a certain point where the military realised their best bet for political survival was in surrender at some point while the Nazi politicians-cum-military high command ordered them not to.
Nevertheless, I still think generally speaking, the reason why decap strikes aren't really pursued is on the basis that your primary enemy is the military leadership acting on the orders to "fight" and not necessarily the political leadership issuing the order "fight, but like, in a way that makes me look good mkay?"
>>2505401it was the ukies and the west who coined and championed the words
until the last ukrainianso cope.
Why can't russians beat a bunch of burgerized nazis?
>>250553650% of GDP and 850 millions of people are tied militarily against 2% of world GDP and 150 millions. That's why Russia can't beat Ukraine in 2 weeks
>EXCLUSIVE: Recent Russian incursions into NATO airspace have sharpened divisions inside the alliance over how to respond, exposing both the strength and the limits of collective defense.
>Secretary General Mark Rutte clashed with Estonian Prime Minister Kristen Michal last week after Estonia invoked NATO’s Article 4 clause, which triggers consultations when a member feels its security is threatened.
<According to three European officials granted anonymity to speak freely, Rutte argued that repeated invocations risked diluting the treaty’s force. One source said he even raised his voice at Michal, warning that NATO must be cautious about how often it signals alarm.
>>2505532Why don't they have school uniforms?
>>2505547Honestly the Baltics are a bit like the western leftists who have a slapped arse over Russia and China not doing more confrontational shit on the global stage with their power
relative to western leftism. It mainly comes down to those who think ideologies and treaties entitle the powerless to true power at their command, then stamping their feet when the reality transpires that treaties and ideologies can't change the material reality that NATO aren't going to end the world at the whim of Baltic leaders who represent 6 million people and Russia/China isn't for people who represent a vanishingly small portion of western leftists who would probably still call them red fash after fighting their battles for them
>>2505561school uniforms are extremely fascist. ukrainian kids don't have school uniforms because they are individualist freedom loving patriots.
>Bloomberg: Belgium rejects EU plan to use frozen Russian assets
>>2505572I wonder whether threats to remove Belgium's veto rights would go down as easily as those against Slovakia and Hungary?
>>2505579cucked. CUCKED I SAY! Why MUST putin PROVE Ukraine is hurting them via their infrastructure strikes by targeting their drones!?
>>2505584Focusing on*
Well, I'm still pretty bad in it, sorry.
>>2505584Greetings comrade
Is Putin seen as a cuck in Donbass?
>>2505584Hello! What kind of content are you interested in?
>>2505584Has Cucktin fixed the water supply yet or are you guys still down to 1 moldy bucket per week?
>>2505577>would go down as easily as those against Slovakia and Hungaryof course not, belgium is the core of EU, most of its institutions are there, and it always was a buffer state between france germany and UK strategically placed on one of the most profitable trade area
>>2505584check out breakthrough news
only english speaking yt news channel I sometimes watch (listen to, more accurately)
if you're fine with listening, radio war nerd is a must
>>2505588>>2505603Have never been there, sorry.
I live in Kiev-controlled region.
People here are mostly depressed and are about to hide or run seeing themselves more like victims of corrupted dictators then as real power.
And yes, most of them willing to stay under Kiev, cause life in Donetsk People Republic was the greatest Putin's fail in soft power. I don't think he could worse.
>>2505590Politics/news/culture.
Something independent.
>>2505618Thank you!
>>2505624>Something independent.Well I can recommend the podcast "The Deprogram"
>>2505624After the war is over, do you think the Ukrainian Communist Party will come back or remain illegal?
>>2505650>>2505644Sure thing illegal.
Post-maidan regime made all it could to make communist look like eternal enemy of Ukraine looking for any opportunity to enslave or kill ukrainians. And 90% of ukrainians got no brain, so they won.
>>2505636Thank you!
>>2505650And you!
>>2505647There will be no regional political parties in russian controlled part.
They killed all independent figures including communists back in 2014-2016.
Most of this men have been killed for their views and political ambitions.
Don't fool yourself about Russia.
>>2505624>cause life in Donetsk People Republic was the greatest Putin's fail in soft powerTRVKE and this routinely gets called NAFO propaganda if you don't believe that every Donetsk resident was getting a brand new flat with amazing amenities
>>2505658>it's le Russia who killed themImagine believing this shit
>>2505664Lieutenant Colonel A. A. Bednov, Chief of Staff of the 4th LPR Brigade, was killed on January 1, 2015, at the entrance to the town of Lutugine in an attack on a convoy of the "Batman" rapid response team. As they turned toward the town, the convoy was attacked with automatic weapons, grenade launchers, and rocket-propelled grenades. Bednov's body was found in an armored minibus; five of his escorts were also killed.
The press service of the LPR Prosecutor General's Office stated that Alexander Bednov refused to comply with demands from LPR Ministry of Internal Affairs special forces to disarm and offered fierce armed resistance. Previously, on December 30, 2014, a criminal case was opened against him. He and his associates were accused of kidnapping and torturing 13 people. The deceased were also suspected of extortion and robbery.
>>2505658Russia is the most accepting of Communists out of practically any country in the world. It was the KPRF that was most supportive of the People's Republics, in fact.
>>2505584>I'm here to ask you for some links of the youtube channels that you're watching and find reliable/interestingCheck out @VideosfromMariupol, he's okay, if a bit too pro-war for me personally at times.
>>2505663Well… I can understand that, there's a war going right now and people want to pick a side. Nazi shithole which Ukaraine became after maidan is not an option. But… You can assume I'm NAFO (frankly I had to google it cause I never been here, I'm from russian imageboard), but let me pass the word to Igor Strelkov, the commander of the first brigade that started organized armed resistance at the Eastern Ukraine:
https://youtu.be/LiW8yC4IacU"Instead of building a showcase for the 'Russian world,' they built some kind of shit sanctuary there, putting swindlers in charge… and creating conditions where people in Donbass lived worse than in Russia and much worse than in Ukraine."
>>2505680 (me)
Also i am sorry you are in Kiev, can you escape to france or germany or uk, or is it still too difficult for most?
>>2505663>why aren't you giving everyone a dozen luxury cars while locked in a war where the opposing state is devoted to your wholesale exterminationDonetsk wasn't even a part of Russia, you're asking for these luxuries while it was literally just it's own region fighting against a NATO-backed state.
>>2505689Может быть «Двач»?
>>2505692>>2505684>>2505663Turns out the donbasschuds are the biggest treatlers this whole time
>>2505689Whatis the most popular imageboard for russian leftists?
>>2505694yeah, 2ch (sosach I'd say)
>>2505691Average ukrainian got 2 ways:
1. Pay to cross the border. Prices starting from 10.000$
2. Can try to cross the border. About 2 weeks in forests, swamps, hills.
And it's not camping, there are thousands of armed ukrainian soldiers with drones and dogs. And guns.
There is one very dark theme that is used as source of jokes for so called patiots in Ukraine: "Drowned in the Tisza".
Tisza is very shallow river at Romanian border. But every month people are drowing there. Drowing with a bullets in their backs.
>>2505698We got only 2ch, other boards are dead.
>>2505695>Turns out the donbasschuds are the biggest treatlers this whole timeI'm reminded of Russell Bentley trying to recruit people to move there and being like "Donetsk is the shit, it's like Austin, TX back in the 70s before everything turned to shit! And there's blazing-fast high-speed internet and it's super cheap!"
>>2505707I have personally talked to Ukrainian refugees and the conversation did escalate towards joking about taking swimming lessons.
>>2504714His parents work for the European Commission lmao
>actual Ukrainian living in war hellzone comes up
>tells everyone how shit Russia made things and how shit the situation
>leftypolacks wipe off cheetos dust and don't believe him and call him treatler
All campists should be deported to the Mariana trench
>>2505751Would you be interested in purchasing a bridge?
>>2505426keew and le wow
russians cant "w" >>2505423And Ukraine will retaliate with even bigger blackouts. The blackout in Belhorod was just an aperitif for you nazis
>>2505769The asiatic horde
is coming.
>>2505769>Belhorod *byholodomor
>>2505329The problem with nazism is, you eventually run out of other people's money
>>2505772if only Putin could get a division of Tuvans and Mongolians to finish the job
As an ode to the past
>>2505776Yeah it's a pity Russian Nazi assets is frozen by the EU. They'll soon be converted into bombs to destroy nazi occupiers
>>2505780How soon? 2035? NATO MIC isn't very fast.
Keep posting more seethe, shitlib.
>>2505782Cope nazi
Did you hear? Your nazi vermin are bandaging themselves, if they're lucky enough to survive, with med kits from the 1950s.
>>2505788Better than taking 95% casualties to your unit on the regular, and getting fragged by your own commander for retreating, instead of becoming another casualty.
>>2505780>Russian NazisBro, is you for real.. Ukraine has bunch of fucking nazis under their helm.
>>2505811Super fucking ironic since Zelenky is fucking jew.
>>2505806What were the 'weegie cunts up to? tl;dr me.
>>2505815Not really because they're not real Nazis they're just larping edgelords
>>2505824Okay retard keep getting angry at flag shaggers
>>2505447Unfortunately meme magic don't real and I was right when I said it's an issue for the courts. At least that's how it's being handled.
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2025/10/01/french-navy-boards-blacklisted-russian-tanker-off-western-coast-of-france_6745989_4.html>The prosecutor's office in the northwestern French city of Brest said it had opened an investigation following a report from the navy. The probe was launched over the crew's "failure to justify the nationality of the vessel" and "refusal to cooperate," Brest prosecutor Kellenberger told AFP.They're accusing it of being related to the "drone sightings" that they've been performatively freaking out over, but that seems like a really flimsy justification that even Macron doesn't stand by.
What's interesting to me though is that while the eu has given its members more powers to seize vessels to prove nationality and insurance, it doesn't seem like it's given them the power to do anything more than that.
https://maritime-executive.com/article/eu-aims-crackdown-at-shadow-fleet-requiring-filing-of-insurance-documents>The announcement of change did not specify any planned steps for enforcement actions and penalties for vessels that fail to comply.So I'm wondering what the purpose is. It seems like a lot of effort to go to just to bother Russia and India. Unilaterally seizing the ship seems to have the same sorts of strings attached as the assets the EU wants to seize.
Just a guess, but I wonder if it is about trying to combat this "shadow fleet", which iirc isn't really so much a bunch of Russian ships as ships with opaque ownership status that happens to be trading with Russia. Maybe this is nato yanking on the chain to see what barks, while trying to score propaganda points by calling it an truly ebin seizure of a Russian ship.
>>2505830Dont get all your panties in a twist because your Nazis are losing the war.. poor baby.
>>2505830>flag shaggersAnother Britishism, you know it's really cringe to simp this hard for our government while using a leftist insult intended for our government to disparage those who do not follow our tradition of being extremely anti-Russian
>>2505480>I think this is not so much of a danger because high-ranking military officers very much think "politically" as well. They like to read Clausewitz and try to consider how war is guided by political objectives, and while there are different ways that civil-military regimes are constructed, it's not like the Argentinian generals who ordered the invasion of the Falklands weren't thinking politically and as political leaders. Maybe. I guess this isn't necessarily indicative of what the people up top are reading, but every year the marine corps puts out a recommended reading list, and to me it seems like a bunch of slop about "leadership" and ai synergy and usm self sucking about how great they are and always have been.
https://www.mca-marines.org/2025-commandants-professional-reading-list/ >>2505838>to disparage those who do not follow our tradition of being extremely anti-RussianOr rather as apologia for unironic Nazis, as though marching into battle under the hakenkruez with full western support is the same as the British PM of the day announcing standard neolib policies in front of the union jack.
>>2505561school uniforms are not mandatory in ukraine, since 2019.
Relax, sleep well – Putin to the West>The idea that Russia is going to attack NATO is “inconceivable,” the president has saidhttps://swentr.site/russia/625810-putin-tells-west-relax/Trump’s ‘paper tiger’ remark possibly misunderstood – Putin>The US President may have used the term “ironically” in describing Russia, the Russian leader has saidhttps://swentr.site/russia/625831-putin-trump-russia-paper-tiger-remark/Cucktin Fatigue about to have a fucking aneurysm
>>2505836>>2505838I could not give less of a fuck about Ukraine or Russia or their interminable war
>>2505852Again, very British since Americans always stupidly say they "could" care less.
>>2505852So what are crying about?
>>2505804that's the same cretin who said that even if heatler himself came back from the grave to be president of ukriane, it wouldn't be even an millionth of fraction of how "nazi Russia is", in a severe nazi apologia.
he got his ban very well deserved. I bet he's ban evading, and I bet you could report him again and him banned.
>>2505782hey, nafo, are ban evading, nafo? :^)
came back to take more Ls?
>>2505855Okay? I'm not American so what the fuck is your point, retard?
>>2505859IDK anon, what are you crying about?
>>2505862That the uptick in seething about this conflict also involves an uptick in Britishisms
>I could not give less of a fuck about Ukraine or Russia or their interminable war
and yet, you came over to post about it. :^)
>>2505872
Uh-huh.
>>2505872
>polcuck proudly announces his intention to not learn or understand anything
Pottery
>>2505872
>call people n a f o t r o o n s
I bet you beat off trans folks. They make up 0.2 percent of a population and you decide to focus on that? You got problems, got sort them out.
>>2505885There's anon who posts with the China flag in the /brit/ thread who literally only posts about how support for transgender people destroyed the British left and kicked off enough in /meta/ over his bans and making the point that he has all the time in the world to evade bans, that it seems the mods just gave up as it wasn't worth the hassle since he usually just harasses the brit thread so whatever.
It's probably a coincidence though.
>>2505897Story checks out.
>>2505850>The US President may have used the term “ironically” in describing Russia, the Russian leader has said.Also, Putin:
>If we are at war with the entire NATO bloc and still feel so confident, and at the same time we are a paper tiger, then what is NATO itself?" — Putin. >>2505959Might as well just fucking burn it in a furnace.
>>2505921Macron was actually very anti "brain dead" OTAN before agent vladimir putin smith launched a special forever war to ressucitate the imperial alliance and bring Emannuel back into the fold
>>2505968In the UK we just throw tax money at these ukrofascist fucks to burn. drives me mad.
>>2505847>school uniforms are not mandatory in ukraine, since 2019.why? seems like a weird thing.
According to military summary channel the entire chernigov region is without power.
Zelya:
>Until today, we only used Ukrainian long-range weapons to strike Russia, after my meeting with Trump, maybe we will have something else.
lmao, he completely throwed under the bus the scalps and storm shadows.
>>2505977🤷♂️ libs be libs. the change happened under "servants of the people" rule.
lol now you "people" are bitching about not having school uniforms? unreal.
>>2506029What are you about? do you get off on being a serial seether or something?
>>2505674>Russia is the most accepting of Communists out of practically any country in the world.I dunno about that man. Russians are strange bunch, and even then should not be trusted.
>>2506081Yeah, who understand the asiatic mind?
Looks like it's just CIPSO as US-based glowbots are currently on vacation owing to government shutdown. Come back with a vengeance, okay?
Either case, if the Rada claim of salary depletion is true, that's great. I'm sure NATO will ensure that their salaries are paid on time, at least this time, but we're making good progress on the debt-to-GDP front. 105+% at the end of the year, then we get ready for hyperinflation.
>>2505252eh, too extreme. what they should do though is do some funny word filter for it like they did a while back filtering Dugin to Bernie Sanders
>>2505995Likely because they aren't used to strike targets at the ranges he's talking about. It's easy to follow if you aren't so desperate to try to dunk on the man who's humiliating fascist Russia.
Zaluzhny's latest think piece
https://zn.ua/eng/innovation-as-core-of-strategic-resilience-denying-russia-the-power-to-dictate-terms-through-war.htmlKey takeaways:
>wargoals downgraded, from winning the war to denying Russia the ability to dictate terms<kursk counteroffensive a waste of time and resources>counteroffensive a waste by whoever was in charge because of the refusal to mass assault groups like American generals wanted<nato tactics only work against adversaries they have a significant material and technological advantage over>the "positional stalemate" situation benefits Russia because its replenishment capacity is much greater than Ukraine’s <drones and precision weapons make low density frontlines impractical and necessitates skeleton crew first echelon posts to act as bait for the enemy and facilitate retaliation by second echelon troops>smaller Russian assault groups deny ukr drone teams of effective kill opportunities <without a "radical rethink" in tactics Ukrainian success "in jeopardy">>2506231>nato tactics only work against adversaries they have a significant material and technological advantage overnato tactics are nazi tactics like blitzzkrieg, believing in will power and might over matter, bluster and bullshit, and wonder weapons.
>>2506231>the "positional stalemate" situation benefits Russia because its replenishment capacity is much greater than Ukraine’s>without a "radical rethink" in tactics Ukrainian success "in jeopardy"IOW…. the war is actually about attrition (degrading the Ukraine military until it can't fight effectively), not about territory or rapid territorial conquest.
And the end point of this process is ukraine collapses and Russia wins.
Don't take it from me, take it from Zuloozny
>>2506302Yeah, pretty much. The prognosis for
victory denying Russia is basically a fantasy. He essentially calls for the development of wunderwaffen and the establishment of circumstances Ukraine can't possibly achieve.
>Accordingly, to realize this aim the state must address a number of key problems:
<Develop a clear strategy and mechanisms for advancing cutting-edge defence technologies at the national level. As with the development of nuclear energy, this strategy must encompass state-led approach to scientific support, production and operation, with responsibilities clearly assigned to each institution. It should be preceded by the creation of a dedicated state research programme in advanced defence technologies.
<Secure the necessary cadre of specialists, above all in software engineering, to design, implement, integrate and sustain these systems. War complicates matters, but many such experts are already serving in the Armed Forces of Ukraine and could significantly strengthen the country’s scientific potential.
<Tackle the most difficult challenge: access to chips. This poses acute geopolitical risks, since the supply of these critical components depends on the stability and openness of markets in a handful of regions—chiefly China, Taiwan and the United States.
<Exploit Ukraine’s existing defence technology exports to build security alliances and tap into the technological and scientific potential of future partners.
<Ensure Russia’s complete exclusion from international scientific and technological cooperation, while also making full use of Western research potential, particularly institutions with unique capabilities such as CERN.
>It is obvious that Ukraine’s victory today means denying Russia the ability to dictate its terms through war. That is the bare minimum for survival.Like he might as well be calling for the creation of a time machine to go back and unfuck Ukraine that way.
>>2506325Tbh I think it is a very good analysis and the only thing a realist can do here is lay out what would be required for survival. Even if that is gaining improbable technological advantage. The other choice would be advocating surrender but that would get even Zaluzhny a few rounds of CBT in the SBU dungeons.
>>2506348>The other choice would be advocating surrender but that would get even Zaluzhny a few rounds of CBT in the SBU dungeons.Yeah. Either way he's just wishing for a miracle.
Ehh, Russkies have generated 700-900k Ukrainian casualties by now, so it's around half their mobilizable population. Debt numbers are around 100% of GDP and will hit 105% by the end of the year.
Your mistake is expecting a quick resolution, as opposed to both Moscow and Ukraine slogging it out for 3-5 more years.
Once Ukraine's drafting their uni students, and debt to GDP is above 150%, let's talk. Because then, you'll have Ukrainians revolting in the streets.
>>2506462>Unironically enjoying romcomsI'd rather move to Canada and apply for euthanasia than to ever grow old and develop the sort of dementia that has caused you to like that trash genre
>>2506455>Cucktin still holding out hope for TrumpInsanity.
I've tried to come up with explanations for why modern Russia seems to be so unashamedly incompetent and in the end the best I could think up was that Cucktin is a deep cover CIA agent whose sole job is to blunder around until the Russian people get tired of his weakness to the point that they rebel and install a secretly pro-Western government that will pretend to be harsher on the West than Cucktin ever could be.
>>2506598>Of course this war might take a decade >mightNo need for the "might" comrade. We all know this war is going to be 10 years MINIMUM with the current leadership in charge.
Based slavic proletariat will rape postsoviet bourgeoisie and establish dotp. Vanguard will be russian workers as usual. Based russian workers are striking and doing revolutionary defeatism. So based
>>2506599>10 years>he doesnt believe in le proleariatMods twist his balls counterclockwise, thank you
>>2506627China would develop far east better than russia.
>>2506630Whats the blue one, water benders?
>>2506630Refineries refine oil.
Tbh the ultimate goal for the US has been to isolate countries that aren’t under its influence. If BRICS represented some kind of near-entirely isolated “second world” à la the Communist-led second world of the Cold War and Putin’s goal here was a complete break from the west in trade and politics, stormed out of the G7, announced no more oil to be sold to the EU, set fire to their seat at the UN, etc then the US would be quite pleased with that outcome.
As it stands, BRICS really exists to break the US’s ability to gatekeep the global economy and international organisations, it’s not a alternative to the current system but rather a pressure group seeking to avoid that two-world division the US championed throughout the Cold War and attempting to reassert now there are regional challengers to US imperialism.
A resolution of this conflict involving Russia being re-admitted to the world stage with sanctions and embargos lifted following the fantastic revelation that NATO, in fact, was never going to demonjak over their soft power being countered with hard power as was always the thinly veiled threat, is underwhelming for us who long for a existent 21st century USSR, but incredible for Russia today as it actually exists.
>>2506641Brics is an impotent meme
>>2506671China is impotent?
>>2506676Brics is impotent
>>2506680So china is impotent then.
NATO is an impotent meme.
>>2506630>*if the affected refineries were to stop completelylmao
>>2506618This is an affront to all Communists everywhere. Putin is a right wing liberal not a progressive revolutionary.
>>2506721>muh putinRussian parties are cryto-communists.
<There are reports of a powerful explosion and fire at the Chevron oil refinery in El Segundo, California, USA.
Oh no no no no no.
>>2506745Le proletariat, your time has come
>Massive explosion of oil refinery in Los Angeles
>People run for cover and panic spreads after a huge explosion rocks Chevron’s El Segundo oil refinery near Los Angeles
>Flames lighting up the night sky for miles
>>2506750>>2506745So? Zigglers told me this was a good thing for the economy
>>2506758No they didn’t lmao
>>2506758Champsoc definitely did. He was saying some nonsense about how Europe having to pay more for oil since Russia couldn't export as much was actually a victory for Russia or something. Retarded Putinist babble.
>>2506758Ziggas won't be talking about this 48 hrs from now because Ziggas understand that repairs happen. Ziggas aren't coping losers who'll be including this in some % half a year from now.
>>2506761If the repairs worked so well why does Russia have gasoline shortages and rationing?
>>2506760Where's Europe getting its oil from if Russia can't export as much?
And do you understand econ 101 and what happens to prices as a function of demand/supply?
>>2506764Oh boy here come the Ziggers now to tell us that their refineries being knocked out is actually a win for Russia
Mods ban anyone who uses the z word
>>2506765Not an answer.
You have 10 minutes.
>>2506764>do you understand econ 101 Do you? Specifically the basic concept of opportunity cost?
>>2506769Not an answer. Where is it getting its oil from? Don't say India lmao.
>Oil refinery goes pop in the US, almost certainly an industrial accident
<B-but Putin putinbots said ackshually oil refineries getting damaged is good for the economy! Right? You remember that, right?
Crikey, it’s a bit premature to start coping
>>2506773Unlike you I've actually taken economics courses before at university. Seethe harder Zigger.
>Reports from the head of the Chernihiv administration, Vyacheslav Chaus, indicate that power outages in the Chernihiv region are now critical.Ukraine is so low energy. Sad!
>>2506774>almost certainly an industrial accidentsmirkingputin.jpg
>>2506762Look how scared you are to answer where EU's oil is coming from. From this fear I take my victory.
>>2506782>>2506775>>2506769>>2506765>>2506764This argument is retarded. Has everyone ITT already forgotten the latest news?
>>2504205 NATO and the EU are now effectively paying nothing for Russian oil and gas. They'll just grab tankers for free whenever they feel like it. Who cares about the month to month movement of prices when they can just hijack whatever Russia sends out?
>>2506785ship is already back on its way, tho.
macron caved.
>>2506785I would imagine Russia receives payment before shipping the oil out, quite possibly well in advance as part of a contract that will span years
>>2506780Well I’m guessing nafoids are wilfully jumping to the conclusion that this is a retaliatory attack, because if it was that would be proof that targeting oil refineries work at reducing demand rather than supply.
>>2506786Not before arresting the captain and first officer of the ship and detaining him. They're testing Russia. In a few more months with no reaction they'll start openly seizing more and more vessels. Just another red line crossed.
>>2506792>they'll start openly seizing more and more vesselsNot really a long term plan for replacing the purchase of Russian oil, is it?
>>2506786don't worry, just another tough manly cucktinposter having a panic attack and overreacting emotionally at the first sign of trouble, like always.
>>2506796tbf, I call putin a cuck, but macron lost this one… macroff?
We'll reach peak oil anyway. In the US 66% of oil is for transport and 27% is for industry, mainly for power and heating. All of these can be electrified or replaced with green hydrogen. Peak oil consumption is gonna happen soon and then the decline will be rapid.
I love this thread for displaying how retarded attritional warfare makes you become. Imagine being a cheerleader for either side when they're both testing each other's defenses and red lines but instead you end up with a litany of "OMG WE ARE BEING PROVOKED UNILATERALLY WOW THIS IS SO BARBARIC AND HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE IN HUMAN HISTORY ISNT IT WEIRD HOW EVERYTHING HAPPENING IN THIS WAR HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE AND EVERYTHING BAD IS UNIQUELY THE FUALT OF THE OTHER SIDE"
The more you engage in this sportsball thinking, the less you ultimately care about class struggle. Most of you have already completely abandoned any semblance of class conflict and prefer a tortured burger radlib-style analysis where Russia is the BLM of nations while the US is the supercop nation, therefore nobody can do anything about anything about the Western ruling class until the Russians are able to win their "Russian War of Independence and Resistance Against NATO" like that fucking retard RussiansWithAttitude podcaster claims it is.
>>2506800>27% is for industryDoes that include the oil used in all the industry the US offshored but are still dependent on?
>>2506805do you have anything to say about Pepsi?
>>2506806No it doesn't but China, India, Indonesia etc are also electrifying their transport and using more solar/wind in their grid.
>>2506805Extraordinarily schizo post
>Russia is BLM and the US is a super copAnd yet extremely ordinary as apologia for the US/NATO
>>2506809 (me)
(only champsoc will probably get it)
>this is /ISG/ for people who treats geopolitics like shitty map games
>>2506809>>2506811>>2506812Warmongers regardless of class or nationality are scum and deserve only summary executions, a single bullet to the back of the head. You are the enemy of the masses and your disrespect and disdain for regular working people is noted. I hope you end up conscripted by your own bourgeois regimes to be sent into the same slaughter you eagerly cheer on.
>>2506817I remember some of our resident russian chauvinists saying they were disabled and couldn't enroll, sadly we will have to wait until Cucktin scraps the barrel
>bad thing happens in USA
>immediate nafo posting in /ukr/
clockwork
>>2506805i'm betting the BLM of Nations has given the Western ruling class more sleepless nights than you ever have
>>2506817Please keep posting. I cant get enough of your based posts. Too bad you will be outlasted. Anyway, you are a moralist expecting perfect class consciousness from workers. As if holding the correct invariant marxist line will save the worker from conscription and other stuff.
>>2506811it's so easy to cheer on a war when you're sitting from your office chair, you're a coward, go join the russian army right now
>>2506817we are genetically wired to treat everything like a tribal conflict. This is the geopolitical equivalent to a Gamefaqs console wars thread or NFL fans shitflinging on Twitter.
>>2506820>>2506824>>2506826Being a retarded warmonger can be corrected through a year or two of reeducation so it's not actually as big a deal as I said previously, my bad. Does that make you guys feel any better? Maybe some of you will need your kneecaps shattered but that won't be the case for most.
>>2506805>Imagine being a cheerleader for either sideCTRL+F "russ": 4 results
CTRL+F "ukr": 0 results
>>2506827Just making stuff up now, tbh most of what agitates me into continuing to post ITT is the celebration of this conflict by nafoids. If they weren’t trying quite so hard to convince me that this conflict and its glut of FPV drone gore content has been endless hilarity for them, I’d have probably made like a western leftist party and split by now.
>>2506829You will stop posting though. Like, you will. Even le interimperialist conflict guy is tired and stopped.
>>2506827CTRL+F "russ": 1 result
CTRL+F "ukr": 0 results
le interimperialism
this is le interimperialist war
we should all support neither side
>>2506832>tbh most of what agitates me into continuing to post ITT is the celebration of this conflict by nafoidsThe celebration and glee with which the warmongers engage on social media motivates me, too. You think we can't lurk on places like /chug/ or Telegram or Twitter? I know what both extremely online Westoid spaces are saying about each other and there is no high ground here. Neither the NAFOid or zigga cares about the soldiers living and dying through the hell of the line of contact. This is a war that is killing primarily soldiers, who are primarily the downtrodden and lower classes of both nations. The idea that 50 year old conscripts with chronic health problems are forced to march through drone infested supply lines is insane. If you are not against this war, you have no brain and no heart and probably should just kill yourself now.
>>2506835I support all the sides because during war the state does stuff which is socialism
>>2506836This isn’t /chug/ though. In this thread I get to see nafoids simultaneously denying there was ever a problem with fascism in Ukraine while making every justification they can muster for feeling like Ukraine ought to have a fascism problem.
>>2506826>As if holding the correct invariant marxist line will save the worker from conscription and other stuff.It would though? If the potential conscript has this knowledge, they are much more likely to run away than fall for nationalist propaganda
>>2506836>Neither the NAFOid or zigga cares about the soldiers living and dying through the hell of the line of contact. I'm an ultra Zigger. I care. Why do you think I constantly advocate for dropping nukes? I don't want to see Russian soldiers raped by Ukrainian FPV drones any more. Any time ukrainians spread more footage of that around I start feeling really sad. Sometimes I wake up thinking about how awful it would be to get killed by NATo's Skynet.
I want Russians to stop dying because Cucktin is such a weakling. Drones stop working when the city the operator is controlling it from gets nuked. I am the only humanitarian in this thread. Everyone else wants thousands more Russians to die in pointless golf cart assaults for another few decades.
>>2506839That is a long shot
>>2506833>He thinks we're one guy We are legion. The real communists of the world disdain to hide their views and aim. And our view is this : This is le interimperialist war.
>>2506839Soldiers who desobeyed and went back to petrograd instead of going to the front line probably werent knowledgable in marxist stuff. A single soldier cant do shit. It has to be whole units with all its soldiers disobeying spontaneusly. A single soldier will be ratted out and court martialed and executed
>>2506844>The REAL Communists agree with meOh god, we’re splitting again
>>2506840You are just having fun posting absurd things ironically
>>2506838>This isn’t /chug/ thoughLike /chug/ you deny reality about the situation in Russia and on the frontline
Unlike /chug/ leftypol is more blatantly full of fab glowies. In /chug/ there are some convincing unemployed losers who mindlessly support Russia because of tiktok or something
>>2506835>we should support neither sideYou don't even consider the working class to be a side in itself. That reveals your politics better than anything you can type
Why only fsb glowies? Where are usa and ukraine glowies? Where are china glowies? Where are belarus glowies? Where are israel glowies?
>>2506831>>2506834>9,001 posts grovelling about almighty russian military strength >hurr durr why aren't you mentioning the xoxli blyatThe worst bit is that you think you're being smart.
Day 1318 of the 3 day SMO btw. A million dead proles for what?
>>2506862For continuation of capitalism
>>2506862ukronazis are not proles
>>2506865Prole isn't a moral category, it's an economic relation
I'm never gonna visit that shithole myself, but I'm curious, what does /pol/ think of this war? Do nafoid /pol/acks exist?
now that the ukr thread has slowed down it should be rolled into a more general european thread
>>2506758Just a small and smokey fire
>>2506849… how fab are the glowies in /chug/? As fabulous as ours?
>>2506880It really is though, if there’s something we can assume, is that oil refineries have a lot of thought placed into ensuring a small and smokey fire doesn’t spread and destroy the entire facility. I feel that’s a reasonable assumption.
>>2506878the ukr thread must remain neutral and not enter the european thread. this is a red line
>>2506862You lost your "anti-campist" composure and showed what you really are.
Destroyed.
>>2506865is every ukrainian conscript a sieg heiling neo nazi? is every russian conscript a russian chauvinist?
>>2506898who exactly has benefited from the slaughter of russian and ukrainian proletarians? the bourgeoisie of both ukraine, russia, and their backers
<months of Twitter attacks on Russian oil refiners
>/ukr/ full of nafo gloaters
<suddenly Russia starts hitting energy infra for the first time since april after trump's scam cuckfire… and doing more damage to ukraine… creating widespread outages and panic and, well:
<"Power outages will definitely occur in Ukraine: preparations for shelling need to start now" — MP Yulia Gryshina
>suddenly the both-sider, tru-leftists are back oinking that Russia isn't being leftist enough
cry harder, seethe harder
>>2506917why aren't you in the russian army?
>>2506925you enjoying posting racial slurs? if you really want to generate "oinks" as you call them, go join the russian army!
>>2506910Thing is if you go to r/Europe or /uhg/ you don’t see anyone this committed to expressing “anti-campism” and arguing with pro-NATO and pro-Banderite narratives
>>2506920Mf needs to fulfill his shitposting quota to not get conscripted
>>2506943Maybe now le officers will start disobeying
>>2506933Yep. If the "anti-campist" gaslighting were genuine, you'd expect to see it spread out uniformly throughout the year. Strange how it peaks only when Russia escalates.
Monke status? Whats the next step in his masterplan?
>>2506948making trump beg for another energy ceasefire to save ukroinke
NEW THREAD
>>2506950NEW THREAD >>2506950 NEW THREAD >>2506950NEW THREAD >>2506950 >>2506933>if you go to right wing places you won't see communist positions like opposition to bourgeois warwow, what a shocker! thanks champagne for such an amazing revelation!
>>2506943maybe they can turn the imperialist war into a class war
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