/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2549218
If you wanna be religious about Soviet doctrine, go to reddit

>>2549350
they were traitors to socialism

>>2549367
>system that treats you as a second class citizen based on your ethnicity
source?

>>2549429
No,that's absolutely not true,hitler and the nazis is seen as an ethereal evil like they're the fucking Nazgul,the final boss of villainy.
Mao is more rarely attacked compared to Stalin,who is seen as a paranoiac dictator who executed a bajillion people under him,and hoarded all the grain and shit.
maybe they teach it differently in Eastern Europe I don't know.

>>2506216
Collective punishment is fucking stupid

>>2549452
Do you also think it was wrong to expel the Germs from western poland

>>2549720
provided the perfect example for the nakba to happen legally

>>2549429
I didn't deny that, I was talking about how simply admitting that the deportations happened and that they were a gross excess with a terrible human cost isn't the same thing as conceding that Stalin was as bad as Hitler. Again, even a highly uncharitable framing of these policies can at best frame them as criminally negligent, which is not the same as being deliberately murderous.

>>2549812
trve, its le heckin bad to punish the people who were just raping, torturing, and massacring you. They should just be allowed to infest territories throughout Poland and the USSR and it definitely wouldn't create a new Pan-German movement.

>>2549887
actual israeli-tier bullshit, and you saying this insane hitlerite drivel proves only that the logic is really the same for either, to this day germans in the czech republic are not treated as second-class citizens, despite the fact that it's been 80 years since they deported the germans from there, and likewise them punishing them for this blood-crime, could you not rephrase your sentence to be "It's le heckin bad to punish arabs for killing, raping, and massacring you, they should just be allowed to infest israel and wouldn't create a new pan-arab movement"

>>2550035
>could you not rephrase your sentence to be "It's le heckin bad to punish arabs for killing, raping, and massacring you, they should just be allowed to infest israel and wouldn't create a new pan-arab movement"
Except the Palestinian riots against jewish settlement were prompted by the Jews' support of the Balfour declaration, which stated that Palestine would be a Jewish state. How can you possibly compare that to the Germans launching the Holocaust and the anti-partisan operations for the sake of a German ethnostate to the A-A Line? One was against, the other for, the establishment of an ethnostate by settlers. Your comparison is actual Israeli-tier bullshit which Zionists use.
And Pan-Germanism is not at all comparable to Pan-Arabism, since Pan-Germanism was about how the German minority in countries like Poland, Lithuania, Ukraine, etc weren't actually residents of their wider nations, but rather of a German nation which the wider nation was an impediment to. Pan-Arabism in Palestine was the exact opposite, seeing the Jewish minority simply residents within a wider Palestinian Arab people, whereas Israeli nationalism was the Pan-German equivalent of seeing the wider nation as an enemy to an aggressive national project of a minority. You have everything exactly backwards.

>>2550077
the point is you can justify mass expulsion for any "blood crime", not that they are equal crimes

>>2549887
It is bad to hold to a fascist theory of blood guilt and pretend to be a Marxist while carrying out ethnic cleansings, yea

>>2550115
MLoids be like
>Uhm but the race I want to genocide is genuinely evil?

I’ve genuinely seen MLoids go online and explain they are nothing like Hitler…because Hitler was a white man 💀

>>2550198
>I’ve genuinely seen MLoids go online and explain they are nothing like Hitler…because Hitler was a white man 💀
LMFAO

>>2550198
Sometimes the most obsessive SU defenders also end up becoming the most effective anti communists. Ironic isn't it?

>>2507785
/Thread

>>2507170
wrong

>>2506216
Yeah this shit happened before ww2 with the various nkvd orders against germans, greeks, koreans etc. and then in the later years of ww2 with chechens, crimeans, western ukrainians etc. The really sad part is members of minority nationalities did not get same level of awards as the russians. Momish-uly and Koshqarbaev for example. Alexei Berest as another example was one of the three to raise the flag over the reichstag but did not get the Hero of USSR medal while Kantaria and Yegorov (+ their commander, superior officer and support officer did picrel 3). Plus being removed from the official statement, while being mentioned in his colonel's description. It's even more ironic that he was awarded Hero of Ukraine in 2005 (which did mention his role in the flag raising) and was also given Hero of Russia in 2025 (but no specifics were given in the award decree). Berest died in 1970 after being hit by a train while saving a girl that fell on the tracks. The guy was built like a tank and died the following day in the hospital, apparently it took 3 hours for the ambulance to arrive. He was portrayed in episode 5 of Liberation. Picrel attached. His commander (guy next to him) was given Hero of USSR also and also said he deserved the medal after the war when they became friends. I did hear there were others who participated in the flag raising, but they were removed from the hero model awards no reasons given.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb7q6Q_l3Ic

>>2550198
Whoa… Anti-Hitler policies are… pro-Hitler???? whoa….. This is the great mind of Leftcommunism..

>>2506216
They didn't, that's their nationalists' propaganda to justify positioning themselves as victims of communists. In reality, deportations didn't happen -there were evacuations. Note the locations they were "deported" to - safe Siberia, and newly developed and fertile lands of Kazakhstan. Add to this legal protections, lack of typical punishments such as Americans refusing Japanese interned the right to vote and right to assembly, compensations for their lost property in full, etc etc, and you qucikly will udnerstand what this was actually about

>>2507785
There were more Russians "deported" to Siberia than any other ethnic group. Your argument is dead from the get go. Russian Nazis love to call Russian "deported" kulaks

>>2507267
>This caused a large death toll
Ah yes, more anticommunist victimhood fantasies. Suffice it to say, death tolls of malaria and train transfers were projected from eyeballing of pre-deportation "REAL" population figures (e.g. author of the claim "researched" Soviet demographics data and had declared it fake and conspiracy to hide population loss and genocide) and then looking at actual population and then put out difference as the number genocided. THEN, and only THEN does the explanation - like malaria - comes to make sense of WHY THE FUCK IS OUR FANTASY POPULATION NUMBER DOESN'T MATCH REALITY.

You can see it done by EVERY anticommunist "researcher" of ANY nation, Ukrainians, Georgians, Chechens, Finnish, Russians, everyone - eyeballing "real" figures based on anything at all they can project up, because of le "Stalin repressed 1936 population census, therefore any numbers coming of Soviet government must be a conspiracy to hide genocide" meme. There's no other proof, it's only THIS, and then popular folklore aka fantasies of repressions

>>2551239
Note how the very simple question of
WHERE ARE THE CORPSES OF MILLIONS OF REPRESSED
will make believers in Soviet repressions mald, because after 35 years of intense searching, they still haven't found ANYTHING, not in USSR, not in China, not even in Cambodia. At best they'll show you medieval era corpses, dead from sword slashes to their heads (aka Pol Pot hoeing intellectuals to the heads as a method of execution, lmao), at worst - Ukrainians unearthing 4000 b.c. corpses and declaring them victims of Stalin

>>2551235
This. The Commmunists rescued the petty nations from Nazism and they will never forgive them for it.

The NKVD heroes simply wanted to give the Little Eichmanns more productive and fertile land than they could have dreamed of out East. But they were so devoted to Hitlerism that they committed suicide en masse on the trains, against the desperate intervention by the brave servants of Communism, in order to sabotage the expression of goodwill and frame the Soviets. Decades later, "Communists" still slander the glorious memory of the Soviet gift-givers, whose only crime was to think the Hitlerite peoples, who became a backbone of the Khrushchevites, could be allies of Socialism if given favorable lush lands. Make it make sense.

>>2551307
>>2551310
>they committed suicide en masse on the trains
Already covered your nonsense
<death tolls of malaria and train transfers were projected from eyeballing of pre-deportation "REAL" population figures (e.g. author of the claim "researched" Soviet demographics data and had declared it fake and conspiracy to hide population loss and genocide) and then looking at actual population and then put out difference as the number genocided

>who became a backbone of the Khrushchevites
They didn't, though? Koreans, for example, straight up refused to move back to the Far East, they liked -stans more than their old homeland, even in the 90s, when South Korea tried really hard for Berlin Wall 2.0 and also to annex parts of Russia's Far East, they couldn't make them return. Chechens, while technically returning to Chechnya, weren't actually returning to their ancestral lands in the mountain vales - they moved into Russian-populated lowlands, because Khruschev, unlike Stalin, didn't provide returnees WITH BASIC FUCKING AMENITIES AND HOUSING, so local governments had to improvise to somehow make space for Chechens. Meanwhile, in Kazakhstan, Kazakhs have seized without compensation Chechen lands.

THIS SHIT is what both Chechens and Crimean Tatars project onto Stalin and make out as a continuous Stalinist policy of repressions. Add to this retarded beliefs like train deaths, and religious anticommunist idiocy, and you get unironic posters like this >>2551307 >>2551310

>>2551318
The Koreans were not deported to Special Settlements, and were not deported because of the Great Patriotic War, so I have no idea why you even bring them up.

>>2551245
somewhat trve…
>Cambodia
choueng ek (most famous killing field) used to be a chinese cemetery, second picrel is a tomb with chinese inscriptions

Supposedly many of the people deported were chuds

They should be bowing to Stalin statues every day, but the Hitlerites instead curse their savior Joseph Vissarionovich. All he did was reward them with a land of plenty, which Stalin gratefully sought to permanently confine them in forever so they could really appreciate the new scenery. All this when they should have been rightfully executed and they dare scorn him for it.
>>2551318
>They didn't, though?
Oh Tovarisch, you focus on the wrong pack of Hitlerites. The Khrushchevite revisionists, wanting to ensure a stable social basis for their reaction, enlisted the help of the reactionary peoples by permitting their infestation in the lands which were rightfully claimed by the revolutionary peoples.

Stalin's only mistake was allowing the Khrushchevites to re-infest the lands which he just made purely revolutionary. If only they were simply executed Khrushchev wouldn't be able to secure revisionism by re-infiltrating reactionary peoples throughout the Motherland. The Soviet Union would still be around today if the revisionism enabled by the reactionary nations were pulled at the root.

>>2551351
If Korean Autonomous Republic in the Far East happened, there would have been scary stories (with documents proving them!!!1) about horrors of Korean deportations. In fact, there probably are something like this in Kazakhstan and South Korea

>>2551354
Obviously, they've just excavated corpses out of a Chinese cemetery and claimed without any proof that the skulls they've shown to the world were of Pol Pot's victims

>>2551357
And ethnic Chechens in Kazakhstan advancing to positions of republican power were also repressed - who would in their sane mind want to rule over KAZAKHS?! Who in their sane mind would want to have their repressed nationality represented in Kazakhstan?!

Why Chechens weren't repressed in voting rights? Why weren't Chechen councils outlawed? Did Stalin not fear that genocided peoples would scream about their bad treatment everywhere, that they won't turn to banditism and rebellion? Why?!?!? Why did 10000 Chechens repressed to Kazakhstan were awarded various Soviet medals, including 22 Heroes of the SOviet Union?

Explain to me IN DETAIL how it's fucking possible that Chechens, who apparently lost half their population on trains, were extremely loyal to USSR and Stalin and there were ZERO talks anywhere about bad treatment? How did repressions function that nobody fucking suspected any train nonsense until 1990s?

>>2551391
>>2551357
Oh, I am forgetting something. You see, in Soviet laws, repressed peoples - like kulaks and nobility and capitalists - were DENIED A RIGHT TO VOTE. Especially those who were sent to Siberia into exile. If Chechens and Tatars were indeed repressed, why no denial of voting rights? Why were there special exceptions made this one time, breaking Soviet laws otherwise upheld before and after the deportations? https://ru.openlist.wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BA%D0%B0:%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8C%D1%8F_58_%D0%A3%D0%9A_%D0%A0%D0%A1%D0%A4%D0%A1%D0%A0 This article, for example, broadly covers anti-Soviet activity - and all or most of sub-articles mention 2-3 years of additional denial of voting rights, including denial of the right to get elected. Yet, we know for a fact that Chechens and Crimean Tatars WERE getting elected to positions of power during their supposed repression

You know how liars always get exposed the more they get talked to? How liars eventually say some shit that goes in opposition to other known facts? Yep, whole nonsense about repressed peoples headbutts into a wall of facts that contradict the narrative. IF THE VERY FUCKING STUPID IDEA THAT HALF THE POPULATION DIED ON TRAINS WASN'T A DEAD GIVEAWAY BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A FUCKING FANTASY IDEA

>>2551391
Excuse me Comrade, but the evil Chechens were not loyal to our dearest Marshal Joseph Vissarionovich. They in fact pledged their loyalties to the Germans, and dreamed of a genocide of the heroic Russian people. Thankfully, Stalin contained them into Special Settlements to ensure their evil machinations would never be let loose upon the beautiful Soviet Union.

>>2506171
It was absolutely ethnic cleansing, still nowhere near as bad as the Nazis though, or even the trail of tears etc

>>2551401
>continues ironic malding

>>2551402
If it was cleansing, where are the corpses?
If it was ethnic, why were Russians most affected by deportations?

>>2551406
Ethnic cleansing doesn't even need to mean killing people you know

>>2551401
Just so that we honest folks know what an idiot we are dealing with,
what's your opinion on Uyghur genocide that's totally happening right this moment, with millions dead and repressed?
What about Falun Gong secret radio broadcasts, where they are calling for help as CCP dismembers them for organs?

>displaces everyone
<why so many rootless cosmopolitans??
Typical stalin

>>2551407
Do you also believe in great replacement? That's technically ethnic cleansing too, you know/

>>2551406
Actual fucking retard doesn't even know the definition of an ethnic cleansing but makes sure to post a smug picture to illustrate how knowledgeable and smug he is LMAO

>>2551391
NOT

1

CRIME

>>2551412
It doesn't involve forced population transfer so no.

>>2551448
>forced population transfer
Oh course if we just bring out the meaningless buzzword conveniently designed so only Soviet Union gets labeled as the most evil state ever, whereas demographic change everywhere is just totally incomparable.

>>2551448
Thankfully the Soviets never forced the affected populations to collaborate with the German invaders, lol. Their punishment was entirely self-inflicted.

>>2551424
Furr, as far as I read him, actually agrees with some crimes, but goes to frame them as "good, ackshually".

But yeah. Not a single Soviet crime is real, once you research the sources. We don't take either Ukrainians with thier Holodomor, Poles with their Katyn, and what else seriously - then why should we take small nation nationalists seriously?

>>2551464
They didn't collaborate with Germans in any significant quantities. Claims of otherwise come from Germans, who tried to portray themselves as liberators against Bolshevism, and from idiotic reading of data. Say, Germans created some national assembly for Tatars, representatives of that assembly were majority white emigre who represented who knows what, and then the represented number of people gets presented as a number of collaborators;
And as a cherry on top, Crimean Tatars got their crazy 70% anti-Soviet organization participation trophy due to "researchers" being idiots and claiming that ALL TATAR ORGANIZATIONS were ONLY for CRIMEANS TATARS; given that Tatar national assembly was composed based on pre-Revolutionary national lines, e.g. Czarist demographers thought that Crimean Tatars and Volga Tatars are the same people, and that Azerbaijani were also Caucasian Tatars

>>2551591
>But yeah. Not a single Soviet crime is real, once you research the sources. We don't take either Ukrainians with thier Holodomor, Poles with their Katyn, and what else seriously - then why should we take small nation nationalists seriously?

Academic rigity, control and censorship. Unfortunately butthurt belter eurofags have much more political-institutional to seriously harm or ruin your life outside of redditard three arrow apologists, grover furr is not considered a historian or a professional on his area, but as a ""genocide"" denier, unlike the MI6 plant, robert conquest, which rectified and left alot of his views, commit historical innacuracies, and is considered a expert, so is applebaum to douglas tottles.
The Polish government, with a hand of yeltsinite traitors, killed the katyn issue and closed the discussion, even with new evidence coming as also proof of even german body transfers from volyn poles massacred to katyn.
In reality, anti-communist neoliberal warriors control academic institutions and online forums to push its agenda and historical revisionism under a lense of "unbias" and "academic rigor"