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LEFTYBRITPOL GENERAL
<"Have some respect just ONE day, don't laff! Don't laff! Don't laff!" Edition

O i am laffin.





Remember to keep a stiff upper lip, mind the gap and carry on chap.
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>>2538830
i am talking about marriage

>>253883
Marriage is not forced on anyone in the 21st century imperial core bro, your parents are not gonna disown you or arrange a marriage

>still talking about transgender people
worst thread on the site.

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Anyone remember stig of the dump? That was always a good time.
Always wanted to be Stig when i grew up, don't think i understood whatever the point was though.

>>2538856
It just never ends, why do the transhumanists even reply to this guy just let him ramble

neema parvini gives more reports on centre-left supremacy; slags off all right-wing political commentary, including the lotus eaters - he praises aaron bastani and the guardian newspaper for being fact checkers.

lol lmao your party is letting adnan hussein vet who gets to run for them in the 2026 local / scottish/welsh elections

Zarah is railing against landlordism while at least 50% of the Your Party MPs are landlords.
Zarah claims we should have no relations with Israel and leave NATO, while Corbyn won't say he's against Zionism.
The party secretary and man responsible for selecting candidates is Adnan Hussain, a landlord and vocal transphobe who also supports legalising incest of religious grounds.
These people have all mocked Reform for being registered as a company, yet Your Party LTD. is also registered as a company with Adnan 2nd man to Corbyn in the leadership structure.
It's a total joke.


Transphobes have gotten everything they could ever of dreamt of, short of making transition illegal, from our governments in the past 5 years.
Yet rather than celebrating they're more obsessed and embittered than ever, use slurs more freely than ever, feel emboldened to make calls for violence, as this thread well shows.
Really makes you wonder how their minds operate.

what is polanski's greens actual positions? I just see them rising in polls

>>2539057
zarah thought she could control the boys club

>>2539104
Zack's personal policies are:
1% wealth tax on anyone with over £10 million, 2% wealth tax on anyone with over £1 billion
Bring energy, water, and public transport into public ownership
Legalise all drugs, but also have services for those who take hard drugs to help them recover
Outlaw landlordism, massive council house building projects, end Green NIMBYism
Full support for LGBT rights and self ID similar to the Rep. Of Ireland
Recognition of Israel as an apartheid state and support for BDS, place sanctions on the Israeli state, but ultimately support a 2 state solution
Anti-Nuclear and wants to transition to using only green renewable energy
Ban on hunting, factory farming, blood sports, badger culling, fox hunting, ban on the routine use of antibiotics for farm animals
Vote on transitioning to a Republic, via public referendum, if and when there is sizable support for it
Leave NATO if and when the situation between Ukraine and Russia is resolved

It's not perfect but it's also not awful.

>>2539132
>legalise all drugs
why…?

>>2539147
Imagine nipping to your local Asda to get a key.
A whole aisle for crack, smack, meth. Corr, get it…

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>>2539149
worked well enough for china, didnt it?

>>2539132
fuckkk anti nuclear?? that and the drug thing are the only things here i dislike

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>>2539154
all international green parties are anti-nuclear
really makes you think, eh?

>>2539132
You've left out their aim to rejoin the EU

>>2539179
Stonetoss is a Nazi

>>2539235
he's worse than a nazi, he's unfunny
wormwood, now that's the thinking man's nazi.

>>2539132
Its Social Democracy. Better than Neoliberalism sure but we need to build actual socialist policy.

>>2539077
Context; anti-fascist socialist farmer articulates how Blue Labour are Nietzschean Fascists.

>>2538872
The book make me fascinated in archaeology.


>>2539287
im quite bored at this over-diagnosis of things being "nietzschean"

international trade for UK, july 2025:
>The top exports of United Kingdom were Gold (£4.93B), Gas Turbines (£3.34B), Cars (£2.31B), Commodities not elsewhere specified (£1.79B), and Packaged Medicaments (£1.44B).
<Meanwhile, the top imports of United Kingdom were Gold (£10.9B), Cars (£4.24B), Commodities not elsewhere specified (£3B), Gas Turbines (£2.49B), and Refined Petroleum (£1.46B)
https://oec.world/en/profile/country/gbr
so whats going on here? are we wheeling and dealing by importing the same stuff we're selling?

Adnan Hussain posted a xeet saying those who counter protest against the far-right are as bad as the far-right themselves.
He was doing the whole "both sides" shit saying anti-fascists are as bad as fascists.
He's since deleted it and apologised, not for the actual intent of the message, but because he thinks it was worded poorly.

He really just does not get it. He is not a leftist. He doesn't know anything about political theory.
He is a ultra-conservative traditional Muslims landlord who sides with Corbyn for convenience.

>>2539904
>who sides with Corbyn for convenience
The question is why does Corbyn side with him.
From what I've heard, they're friends and Corbyn was at his wedding.
But did the friendship start before Hussain was vocal about his views or started despite those views

>>2539904
brown = left-wing
white = right-wing
this is contemporary political science

>>2539904
there's something very funny about how he clearly wants to be a "normal" politician. (or, so far as he aspires to be abnormal, it's in all the ways that a normal MP would wish to be abnormal, by "listening" to the "community [he] represents" etc.)
even if he wasn't a policy dunce, he'd still be totally dispositionally unsuited to any party more radical than the lib-dems.

Anyone know how to fix low water pressure? I fiddled around with the knobs and dials but it didn't do anything. When I call the landlords about it they said its not something they cover and they just send me a video but that video looks nothing like the boiler we have.

>>2540091
low water pressure means theres a block in the pipes that causes water to run slowly doesnt it? have tou flushed anything down the toilet you shouldnt have, or put food down the kitchen sink?

>>2540097
I haven't but its a shared house so idk. But this isn't actual water pressure out of taps it is water pressure in the boiler meaning there is no hot water.

>>2540106
you're probably going to have to get someone in. boilers are pretty temperamental, they just die.

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>>2540065
> he'd still be totally dispositionally unsuited to any party more radical than the lib-dems.
I mean in the 2000s a lot of these types did join the Lib Dems. Its just that the Lib dems are in their "Thatched Roof" era and don't want to bring in too many brown sorts as it would spook white rural england.

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>>2540368
damn.. that's crazy that this event really happened


>>2539920
Not him but it's nothing to do with politics, they don't like him because he's white. It's that simple.

Who the fuck are Youth Equality Coalition and why have I seen them just pop up? They appear to be like Irish Republicans without the Irishness in England? Quite strange.

Homosexual neo-Nazi Hugh Anthony throws a tantrum as he is kicked out by his boomer parents
https://xcancel.com/thehughanthony/status/1984089274871075072?s=46

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thread is oddly dead even though brit politics seems to be getting pretty spicy

seems like labour party and tory boys are dying, and the new biggest parties will be reform and the greens

https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news-corner/poll-crank-uk-greens-overtake-starmers-labour

>>2545070
It's because we've hit the bump limit so everyone's waiting for a new thread before saying anything interesting

>>2535219
>>CPB are primarily elderly boomers, most of whom are really social democrats, who believe that electoralism works

Horseshit. To quote from BRS,
>But the struggle to win economic and social reforms under capitalism not only improves conditions for the working class, for as long as those reforms are maintained. It also raises confidence, expectations and demands. Thus, political understanding can grow about the class nature of society, class rule and the need to fight to change them.

BRS supports social democratic reforms insofar as they increase working class consciousness. The worker of the 1970s, who had seen governments fall due to strike actions, and enjoyed hard won social democratic measures of wealth redistribution, had far more class consciousness than the post Blair generation who saw little to no effective working class resistance to years of austerity. For the avoidance of doubt,
>Invariably, social democracy has ended up capitulating to monopoly capital, abandoning its most radical policies and turning on sections of its own supporters in an effort to stabilise, manage or modernise the capitalist economy.

>In every case, labour and socialist parties and governments in capitalist countries have had no effective theory and programme to guide them. Their outlook is not based on a Marxist, class-based understanding of how capitalism works and where and when it is most vulnerable. Consequently, social democracy has had no strategy for progressive advance and socialist revolution.


If you have read BRS, it was done with a hateboner in which you were doing so only to validate your preconceived notions of what it contains and advocates. Allow me to summarise the strategy and reasoning:

>The Labour Party, while a bourgeois party which upholds Monopoly capitalism, contains an inherent flaw in that it is still, therotically, answerable to the TUC and affiliated unions. In our two party system, it is preferable to the Conservative party. If you take out idealist Christian ethics of sin, this isn't remotely controversial - a Labour Government puts the working class on a marginally better footing to advancing their interests, and this is as far as our support should go - one cross put on a piece of paper every 4-5 years. To equate this with support or complicity to the Labour Party is nothing more than bourgeois idealism.

>While the TUC and unions are dominated by the right wing of the trade union movement, they remain de jure organisations of working class power, and with class concious leadership developed from the bottom up can apply pressure on a Labour government to enact the Left Wing Programme (LWP).
>The LWP, in addition to introducing social democratic reforms which directly benefit the working class, more important attacks the structures of bourgeois state power and advances/ introduces organisational power for the working class. These begin with reversing the gains of the ruling class during the Thatcherite/Blairite post 1970s, and then advancing the gains of the working class far beyond those achieved in the post war settlement.
>These gains are needed for the later stages of the revolutionary process during which the mechanisms for state Monopoly on violence must be confronted head in. In short, we have to move the pieces of the chessboard to be far more favouable before attacking head on.

The CPB is a legal party and therefore cannot openly call for violent armed insurrection. Read the following section with this in mind,

>Experience also indicates that the British ruling class and its allies can be utterly ruthless in defending their interests, not only through the use of state power at home but also abroad through the use of economic sabotage, military force, anti-democratic subversion, military dictatorship, state torture and death squads.


>This underlines the need for a popular democratic anti-monopoly alliance to secure the greatest possible support for policies that challenge any aspect of state-monopoly capitalism. A left government in Britain will need to be rooted in mass extra-parliamentary campaigning and militancy if it is to survive and succeed.


>Electing a left government committed to the alternative economic and political strategy (AEPS) and its left-wing programme (LWP) will mark the transition of the revolutionary process to a second stage.


>This stage will be characterised by a combined parliamentary and extra- parliamentary struggle to implement major policies of the LWP. The left government will need to work closely with – and be held to account by – the labour movement and the other forces of the popular democratic anti- monopoly alliance, mobilising the maximum support inside and outside parliament.


>Every effort will have to be made to involve the labour and progressive movements, and new organisations formed in the course of mass action, in formulating policy, strategy and tactics and enforcing government measures based on the LWP.


>Because European Union fundamental treaties and institutions cannot be radically reformed without unanimous agreement between all member states, a left government in Britain would need to be free from all the neoliberal and anti-socialist provisions of the EU Single Market. It must be able to assert the principle of popular sovereignty in order to develop free and equal trading, commercial and political relations with other countries across the globe – including those in Europe – and to act in solidarity with oppressed peoples, promoting such values in the United Nations and other international bodies.


>The drive to implement the LWP will undoubtedly meet with resistance from powerful sections of the capitalist class and from within the state itself. The British ruling class will seek support from anti-socialist allies within Britain and abroad, in the world’s financial and currency markets, the boardrooms of transnational corporations, the institutions of the EU, the US government, NATO, the WTO and the IMF.


>The example of Chile demonstrates the willingness of the US and British ruling classes to destroy long-established parliamentary democracy in order to defend imperialist interests. In 1973, the elected Popular Unity government of Salvador Allende was overthrown by a military coup orchestrated by the US administration, carried out by Chilean generals and backed by US transnational corporations and Chilean landowners. Policies of progressive nationalisation were reversed by ‘made in the USA’ neoliberalism. British governments subsequently lent military, financial and trading assistance to that murderous dictatorship.


>The defeat in Chile confirmed the importance of limiting the opportunities for outside interference, understanding the difference between government office and state power, replacing reactionary personnel in top state positions, consolidating broad alliances (and curbing ultra-leftist adventurism), building a Communist Party able to exercise decisive influence and developing a military policy that relies upon the mass of the people.


>In Britain, the popular movement – with the organised working class at its core – and the left government would need to be organised and ready to counter and overcome all covert and overt counter-revolutionary activities


Could we make it any more clear that electoral based efforts are just the beginning - quite explicitly, the first phase of socialist transition? And when you think about it, what alternative do we have? Armed insurrection in 2025 with the few thousand Marxist Leninists in the country - how many rifles and armoured cars do we have? How many able and trained bodies to operate them? Should we form an illegal party of a few hundred and begin a campaign of violent red terror? How long exactly would that work in a country as small as Britain facing the combined might of the Western surveillance system? Of course the [spoiler]first[/spoiler] stages of building working class power have to exist within the confines of our bourgeois constitution. To state otherwise is pure delusion.

You've clearly never been a member of the party if you genuinely think most members think electorialism works. It reflects neither our party line nor common attitudes of our cadre toward it. Although it is blindingly obvious that Britain in 2025 does not have the material conditions which allow a Leninist style capture of state power, the exact roadmap of how to achieve this - at first constitutionally - remains open for debate. BRS is regularly updated to reflect decisions taken at successive Congresses, and periods of feedback from Branches, Districts, and Nations.

BRS, at the bare minimum and most critical you can be, is at present *good enough*. Ideas are only important insofar as they lead to the correct actions. BRS as it stands requires the party to work towards building class consciousness in what shattered and fractured organs of working class power remain, primarily in trade unions and tenants unions. It dictates that we have to go to the working class as members of the working class and find out their complaints, and then provide political leadership based on Marxist theory in turning them into actionable goals and tactics to achieve them. And that's exactly what we should be doing as we seek the rebuild the class consciousness which has been shattered to the point of extinction in the past 50 years. Could we have a better line, could we be more correct in our analysis and medium to long term route to socialist revolution? Of course! Would that lead to us doing anything differently at present, when the working class remain on the defence from further reactionary measures? No!

I would answer your other criticisms but they could, in part, be true. There has never been a Communist Party which has been correct in all of their positions and analysis, and there never will be. The CPB is worth joining as from day one you will be expected and supported to organise politically among the working class on the basis of a political platform agreed through DemCem: something which sets it apart from the CPGB-ML or RCP. A vanguard party isn't the result of having the right ideas, but rather a historical phenomenon resulting from grassroots political activity and internal struggle. It's easy to sit on your armchair on the basis that nobody represents your enlightened understanding of Marxist-Leninism, but if you were to join the CPB you would find that every member too has reservations with our current line and practice - we are not dogmatists, and democratic centralism requires that, in the appropriate fashion, we routinely engage in collective self criticism. The difference is we have the strength to work in spite of these differences: in one word, discipline.

Do you think it will become easier to belong in a Communist Party after they seize power and their decisions directly impact the lives of millions of people? If you don't have the discipline to say, belong to a Communist Party which has a position of Israel (over which they have zero bearing) you disagree with, you wouldn't last a second in a party which has to face the ugly, no win choices of governing an entire country. You may be a Marxist but you're no Leninist. Or are you going to reply by stating that the CPB is so wrong that any effort spent within it is futile, so it's better to just sit on your armchair and privately form the most correct opinions? Do I even have to state how utterly defeatist and nihilistic this is?

Fuck it. I like leftypol but this general does wind me up sometimes with the glib nihilism that there is nothing a British Marxist can do. Join the YCL, join the CPB, you're not going to get your hands dirty with mortal sin, and every two years you can work against any lines which you disagree with - as is the responsibility of every ML in a party organised along the lines of DemCen.

>>2539920
Tbh with how pathetic white leftism is, that really is the case.

>>2539092
Well with fascists if you give them an inch they'll want a mile. And the heart of right wing thought is sadism.

John MacLean was right; Scotland is simply better at socialism.


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