Socialism was wasted on Euroids.
✩ DDR was mega based, but the Germ wanted access to the BDSM dungeon in West Berlin too bad.
✩ Poland had realised Endecja, but the Solidarnoid wanted to lick the Pope's hairy balls too bad.
✩ Socialist Hungary was the only time Hungarians were relevant since Attila. They threw it all away to become pornstars in Germany and France (looking at you Pierre Woodman)
✩ Czechoslovakia made great furniture and weapons. Now
central Prague has become a tourist scamming zone. Also gave up dignity to get fucked by fat westerners (looking at you Pierre Woodman).
All of these states had their music, literature, movies developing in a unique way, in phase with their history and culture. Today, they have all become cheap american copies. You look at Eur*vision, they even sing in English, the style is the same americanised bullshit. Is ther Westoid Cock so irresistible? Are central and eastern europeans natural slaves to their western masters, no matter what?(Rule 11 - low-quality bait)
71 posts and 3 image replies omitted.>>2518734'Mohism' and 'Legalism' are superior moral & political antecedents for for socialism than Christianity & Liberalism are. For me this is an absolute certainty.
Now of course the moral and political foundation for socialism in the contemporary era will be different to all of these; But I opine that they will find many many more similarities with Mohism & Legalism comparatively, hence my claim of "superior antecedents".
>>2518945>did mozi do classwar?Did the early modern utopian socialists?
>>2518726>Europeans literally invented the concepts of socialism and communism (Charles Fourier, Saint-Simon, Robert Owen, Marx & Engels)Again
>>2518812>Convince me otherwise, I'm willing to be convinced That Epicurus was a communist, but to my knowledge of both it's far more of a stretch for Epicurus since he wasn't trying to establish a society >>2518957>'Mohism' and 'Legalism' are superior moral & political antecedents for for socialism than Christianity & Liberalism are. For me this is an absolute certainty.That's just your opinion, bro.
>But I opine that they will find many many more similarities with Mohism & Legalism comparatively, hence my claim of "superior antecedents".Wow, anon can predict the future!!! Can you do an AMA for us please? And please continue to not elaborate on why you think such and such, we are really enlightened by your bare-naked prediction.
>>2518970>Did the early modern utopian socialists?Saint-Simon renounced to his aristocratic rights immediately when the 1789 revolution happened, support it and thought the republican revolutionaries didn't finish the job properly, that more could be done.
Charles Fourier lost all his business and money when the revolution happened. He was a bit of weary of revolutions after this, but still remarked quite justly:
>Civilized Nations ! while the Barbarians, deprived of your light, know how to maintain their Societies and their Institutions for thousands of years, how is it that yours are overthrown so rapidly, and often in the same century which gives them birth ?>We hear you continually deploring the fragility of your works, and the cruelty of Nature, who causes the prodigies of your genius to be so speedily destroyed. Cease to attribute these disasters to time or to chance ; they are the result of the gross incompetency of your social systems, which fail to insure to the destitute Masses the means of labor and subsistence. It is to bring you to confess your ignorance, that Nature holds the glaive over your Empires and exults over their ruin. >>2518974I am not the other anon, and I wasn't responding to you (I was responding to him in fact).
Please just ignore my posts here. Thanks 👍
>>2518970Interestingly one can definitely see that warring states period was filled with class warfare, though it was more horizontal in nature due to ancient feudalism that existed at the time.
My current view is that when Qin reunified the country their reforms effectively abolished the feudalism and put into place a developed form of 'asiatic mode of production'. Aristocrats continued yo exist of course but they were no longer feudal lords with independent military & legislative power; Their status was dependent on central state largesse (service when the state was strong/strengthening, graft & corruption when it was weak/weakening).
I would be interested to hear your views on these matters.
>>2515912I don't get the joke
>>2519137Well of course 墨子 did not engage in class war of the proper Proletarian kind, however he was the first philosopher to speak of the right to rebel against injustice and bad authority; and despite the risk of triggering our third interlocutor I feel obliged to point out that this notion only occured in the west after it was introduced by native american philosophers
Some scholars think 墨 (ink) refers to tatoos which would indicate he was a commoner, something that given his views might be possible, that he was literate suggests that if this was the case he would have been a skilled technician or craftsmen
As to the Asiatic mode of production, I'm not so sure Marx in my opinion was very much using it as a place holder for "things that aren't european feudalism that seem to have something commonality" the political economy of the Qin state functioned far more like that of the Incas than the empires Marx categorised as examples of the Asiatic mode of production
The economy was planned, and for the most part the state provides goods directly rather than there being any kind of currency exchange which very much makes the Qin state very much an outlier among historical Chinese states, including the competing warring states that Qin defeated to reunify China –after the feudal fragmentation of the Zhou– generally had some kind of market economy (although this was suppressed in favour of state factories again during the Tang dynasty)
It is thought that this unique social organisation was what gave the state of Qin the advantage over its rivals
>>2518714I fucking LOVE how butthurt Sakai gets “leftists”. It‘s recommended more often because it informs people about the truth that white proles will generally favor their superstructural privileges over allying with other proles. You don‘t need a source for that because it‘s easily observable. Orange retard is in office mostly because of whites and self-hating hispanics who think they are white. Europe is turning fascists and thing all their problems come from a fraction of the population having an accent and tan skin.
>>2519235Sakai upsets me because he cites things that say the direct opposite of his clams when there were plenty of citations available that would have supported them, sometimes only a few chapters away from what he cites
>>2519304It's almost as if Sakai deliberately wrote Settlers in a way that tillitates and enthuses the casual reader while discrediting himself and his work to someone who delves a bit, but not enough to notice that Sakai could have made his argument credible with less effort than the way he plays with his sources
>>2519329Who cares about delving? It’s obvious he’s right because otherwise the US would have had a revolution already
whether or not people deserve it socialism must be forced on everyone or else we'll go extinct
>>2519304I'm glad my effort exposing Sakai is still paying off. The quotes from Foster are the ones that are still getting posted, but I checked several of his other citations too and the result is similar. It's pretty incredible because the dude just straight up lies about what he finds, and I guess the only reason he didn't was that he didn't reckon on the internet providing easy access to his sources.
But still, anyone that's been hit with shit from "on the jewish question" should know to check the source for context, especially when whatever it is is being used to smear communists and communism.
>>2519335This stupid shit you're saying is exactly why you should be delving. You swallowed this nonsense hook, line, and sinker, and now you're acting retarded.
>>2519335Because he's written it in a way that turns the readers against the most progressive strains of the wypipo orgs while whitewashing the shit wypipo orgs
>>2519343Why does it matter when wiypip orgs have never and will never amount to anything
>>2519347It's creepy as fuck, and someone should probably just go through it and rewrite it
Done properly it would be far more damning and useful
>>2519348Linking trotskyite blogs proves nothing
>>2519352Material conditions made me a hitlerite, anything else is Jack Thompson style analysis
>>2519353Ad hom retardation because you can't defend your beliefs
>>2519356I guess the only solution for you is a bullet in your brain glhf
>>2519357If the white population of the US was at all revolutionary, there would have been a revolution, simple as
>>2519359>the white populationI'm sure there's a thread on /hobby/ for talking about myths and other fantasies like mothman or the jersey devil if that's your thing.
>>2519376It’s about as real as gender is, a social reality, if not a physical one
Socialist philosophy and ideology was conserved of in Europe, it makes no sense for a socialist to be anti-European.
>>2516665>Thirldies have their lack of development to blame, what excuse do westerners have?Overfinacialization causing a hollowing out of industry, leading to a regression of productive forces.
>>2519359>>2519381IS their any racial group in America that are revolutionary?
>>2519389No, the continent itself is reactionary
>>2519200Now this is the kind of discussion I was hoping to trigger.
What you say about the Qin economy being too planned to be asiatic is an interesting point. I suppose on potential muddle that I had in my mind (but did not state properly) in the comment you replied to was that I was thinking about the overall (average) way the 'Chinese' economy functioned after Qin reforms for the next couple thousand years.
So obviously there are periods when it is more planned & 'statified' and other periods when it is less, with the Qin era being one end of that spectrum (and periods of dissolution/degeneration & competing states being closer to the other end)
There is a broder issue at work I think because its clear that their mide of production (in the sense of the underlying logics that direct the economy) is not tribal/informal, nor feudal nor capitalist, nor socialist (I don't believe there is distinct slave mode myself, but that's another conversation).
I think one can make an argument that feudalism doesn't end in much of western europe in the 18th & 19th centuries, but actually far earlier (sometime in the 14th to 16th). That with, for example, the reforms of Louis the 14th, you already have the aristocracy becoming more like a landowning bourgeoisie, and the contest is between them, the merchant bourgeoisie and the central bureaucratic power of the Monarchy. Unlike with the Qin though, the third eventually loses out because ot relied in the first to curb the power of the second. In the intermediate period between feudalism and the french revolution almost a balance between 'planned asiatic' & 'landowning bourgeois' modes (I know I am being a bit loose with terms here, but the situation in those times certainly cannot be quite so neatly put into one box if one disregards superficial similarities)
And on that a bit of an irony: Lu Buwei was himself a merchant before becoming the Qin prime minister; That the state he worked for eventually became such a relatively planned economy within a tight 'legalist' framework with merchants being relatively weak as a class certainly contrasts heavily with what happened in France.
>>2519506*It relied on the second to curb the power of the first.
Very important correction.
americans do not deserve socialism
>>2521635No one outside of Asia, Latin America, or Africa needs nor deserves socialism
europeans are genetically reactionary
americans, due to intimate contact with afrikans and native amerikans, shed their reactionary genes
>>2519398>>2521720If Europe is so reactionary then socialism must also be reactionary, because the first socialist thinkers were Europeans.
>deserve
Europeans are even less capable of socialism than Brits, but there is no right life in the wrong one.
>>2522246They were spiritually asian
>>2515916Except Eastern Europe, specifically former "Soviet Bloc" states, are currently the beating heart of Fascism and reaction in the world. Fascist parties are outlawed in much of decent Europe but thrive in the Eastern parts.
>>2522304this is as big of a cope as /pol/ saying nippon is le aryan
>>2522355Right wing populism is exploding in the west
>>2522355Fascist parties are outlawed in the west? A fascist is in power in Italy
A fascist is the biggest party in France right now
Geert wilders won the elections in the Netherlands not so long ago
>>2522369Refer to the theory:
>>2515987 Why was this saged?
>>2522616>>2522781Its too bad. I was kind of hoping I would get a bit more engagement on this:
>>2519506 >>2522781it was a great thread.
>>2522304Welcome back, Julius Evola
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