Socialism was wasted on Euroids.
✩ DDR was mega based, but the Germ wanted access to the BDSM dungeon in West Berlin too bad.
✩ Poland had realised Endecja, but the Solidarnoid wanted to lick the Pope's hairy balls too bad.
✩ Socialist Hungary was the only time Hungarians were relevant since Attila. They threw it all away to become pornstars in Germany and France (looking at you Pierre Woodman)
✩ Czechoslovakia made great furniture and weapons. Now
central Prague has become a tourist scamming zone. Also gave up dignity to get fucked by fat westerners (looking at you Pierre Woodman).
All of these states had their music, literature, movies developing in a unique way, in phase with their history and culture. Today, they have all become cheap american copies. You look at Eur*vision, they even sing in English, the style is the same americanised bullshit. Is ther Westoid Cock so irresistible? Are central and eastern europeans natural slaves to their western masters, no matter what?(Rule 11 - low-quality bait)
>>2515911
belgians gtfo
Europeans (mostly center to West) are Völkerabfall. As Engels said, they will be wiped out in the coming revolution as inherently reactionary people. At best they want social democracy with ethnic exclusionary criteria.
America was simply too powerful anon. The great satan must be defeated before socialism can truly be realized fully
>>2515916>At best they want social democracy with ethnic exclusionary criteria.Lel true though
>>2515932
who's talking about ethnicity you moron
>>2515910An American made this thread.
Socialism did not failed in eastern europe because it is economically unviable or because of american intervention and coups, or because of soviet revisionism.
It failed because they are white people, white people cannot build socialism, simple as that
>>2515969
I do not need to look at crakkka theory, sakai already told the truth about the yakubian race, it is not a mere coincidence all communist countries are not on europe but on asia, africa and latin america, trvst the plan
Russia is a European country too.
>>2515973wrong
Russia is a Russian country
>>2515950Endecja was based, westoid.
>>2515941it happens to the best of us. The Belgian mistake will be corrected in due time.
>>2515955t. a belgioid
>>2515979
A country in the european continent. Turkey is european too (there's a reason why they called it the Sick Man of Europe not the sick man of Asia).
>>2515979
the collection of Volkerabfälle known as the English, the French, the Austrians, the Swiss, the Danes, the Swedish, the Norwegians, the Finns, the Czechs, the Slovaks, the Poles, Baltoids, the Romanians, the Hungarians. There are also extra-european, who are spiritually euroids while geographically they are not: the Australians, the New Zealanders, the Canadians, the USA (the indigenous and other ethnic minorities of these countries are also european in the spiritual sense).
Germans are schizeuropeanic. Sometimes they are European, sometimes they are not. Some of them are, some of them are not.
The Portuguese, Italians, and Spaniards are NOT european, no matter how hard they try.
The Balkans and Bulgarians are NOT european, no matter how hard some of them try.
The Greeks are definitely NOT european.
look beyond genetics, look at the spirit of europeanism, there lies the answer, there lies the tumor to excise mercilessly with a red dagger
>>2515983turkey is definitely NOT european. refer to
>>2515987 >>2515987This. Being European is a state of mind not a genetic marker.
>>2515987>>2515990This is so astoundingly retarded. Especially the part about Germans sometimes not being European.
>>2515996think outside your reddit-box and you will see the reality
>>2515998Go to Istanbul you will see a European city
>>2515910I hate to be the bearer of bad news but two things:
1. The Soviet Union gave up and sold the ost block to the west
2. All this shit was contained until gorby gave the word and they all folded. Honecker resisted but was forced to surrender when ceausescu was executed and gorby was holding that over his head (true story and notice how the non-soviet aligned countries became even worse: yugoslavia, albania and romania)
>>2515987Correct. Europeanness is smugnorant narcissism rooted in sexual insecurity. Europeans are the most perverted yet they fail to reproduce. Phallus too small?
>>2516003>Go to Istanbulwhy are you trying to force the anons of /leftypol/ to get robbed by gypsies? stop encouraging lumpen behavior.
>>2516003I did go to Istanbul and I found a wonderful Greek city. Thus,
not European. Not even close.
>>2516020I wish I could understand what is said in the video
But I take it that the greek comrades agree with me
>>2516024no the Romani are brave loyal socialists and persecuted souls trying to survive capitalism after their state was stolen from them
gypsies on the other hand can be of any race or creed and do nothing other than hang out at tourist spots to pickpocket
>>2516030based anon understands that genetics is too shallow and the SOUL of the people is what matters
Hitler was a gypsy.
It was baby boomers who betrayed socialism for goyslop
Serve him a platter of shit on a plate at first he will be revolted. But the moment the cook comes.out and says this is the latest delicacy in the west he will instantly eat It with a big smile on his face and say it was the tastiest thing he ever had.
>>2516085slop is the efficiency of food. its progressive.
Maybe socialism should be based around sex or something. That's what I got from the OPs post
>>2516149t. Pierre Woodman
>>2516149The boomer hippies tried that. It didn't really work. It was also a psyop to get people to stop working on real socialism.
>>2516163If I was like Pierre Woodman I would've had sex by now. I believe a certain amount of coercion is usually needed to have sex with a woman. Not that I want force women into anal sex or pee on them like Pierre but he was just a more extreme form of I believe actually happens.
>>2515910>deservemoralism, and moralism aint socialism
>>2515962>Socialism did not failed in eastern europe because it is economically unviable … It failed because they are white people, white people cannot build socialism, simple as that>>2515972>I do not need to look at crakkka theory, sakai already told the truth about the yakubian race…I
love how we all now embrace ethno-nationalist "theory" that undoubtedly came straight from the J. Edgar Hoover building. We're so fucking cooked.
>>2516298we were cooked ever since the honkies gave up socialism for Pierre Woodman's hairy ass
this website is indistinguishable from /pol/ with some buzzwords swapped out madlibs style
>>2516008was grobochov working for the west? why was he a millionaire by the end of the 80s
This performative anti-West BS is so tiresome. It's cringe when Westerners do it, but it's truly sad and pathetic when it comes from thirdies
>Today, they have all become cheap american copies. You look at Eur*vision
Beyond minor details, Marx and Engel's crystal ball strikes again
>>2516589Westoid Völkerabfall speaking
>>2515910That picture is kino
>>2516593They saw in the water.
>>2516589Au contraire. Thirldies have their lack of development to blame, what excuse do westerners have?
>>2515910>Europeans do not deserve socialismCut the essentialist bullshit, it is only good for trolling Reddit Nazis. All modern people deserve socialism by definition. Europe may even spearhead the world's transition to socialism once the Burger Reich (and the ruling EU bureaucracy oriented towards it) falls.
>>2516684If Europe takes itself seriously, it cannot wait for the death of America. It must leave NATO and dissolve EU. These are the pre-requisites for any serious talk about European socialism.
From 1989 to 1991, all euro socialist states collapsed.
But not a single one in Asia.
Why?
>>2515910>Europeans do not deserve socialismAgreed. Nuke us already.
>>2518554That would be a mercy.
>>2518504Because Eastern Europeans have double digit autism scores
>>2515972Sakai was a fed, there's a reason Settlers (which has poorly sourced info and often lies outright) is a book more recommended than anything by Lenin or Marx is by the western left. Its a psyop. There's no proof that the guy even exists. There was just a thread on r/trueanon about this and some dude was preaching for the book but had never even heard of WEB Dubois. Settlers is a shit book designed by the feds to break solidarity.
Europeans literally invented the concepts of socialism and communism (Charles Fourier, Saint-Simon, Robert Owen, Marx & Engels)
>>2518726 墨子 few hundred years before christ
>>2518734If Mozi is to be considered a socialist, then Epicurus can be too, but I was talking about the modern conception of it as it arised during early modernity/capitalism.
The real mystery is how this thread is on the main board, is it an in-joke by mods
>>2518782the mods are basically russian nationalists you got other threads up here justifying tsarist policies
>>2518746That sounds like the usual western bias of reading western works as charitably as possible and non western sources as uncharitable as possible in order to establish western priority in concepts
Convince me otherwise, I'm willing to be convinced That Epicurus was a communist, but to my knowledge of both it's far more of a stretch for Epicurus since he wasn't trying to establish a society
>>2518504What are you talking about? Most of Europe is still economically socialist. Maybe not the UK, but even they have the socialist NHS in place.
>>2518812I read Mozi wikipedia article and didn't see any mention of socialism or class
>>2518861Do you know how much I care about that?
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>wikipedia sez you wrongLiterally laughing out loud
>>2518864So Mozi thought has nothing to do with socialism
>>2518867I love how westerners think this kind of attitude proves anything
Same attitude convinced western doctors they didn't need to wash their hands because doctors are by definition clean and there's "
no evidence" otherwise
>>2515910Socialism is not about who deserves it more or not, retard. People are trying to get rid of this shit
>>2518812Why should I bother proving anything while you didn't in the first place? You just name-dropped Mozi and kept it at that. So I did the exact same thing with Epicurus.
Did Mozi advocate for the proletariat to overthrow the Warring States emperors by a revolution and then control the means of production by themselves? Feel free to prove me wrong, but as far I as know, no he didn't, he was mostly talking about how people should love each other and that society should be organized according to this principle, like Epicurus.
And don't get me wrong, Mozi is an interesting ancient philosopher, but he is very different from the early modern socialist thinkers who influenced Marx and Engels.
>>2518734'Mohism' and 'Legalism' are superior moral & political antecedents for for socialism than Christianity & Liberalism are. For me this is an absolute certainty.
Now of course the moral and political foundation for socialism in the contemporary era will be different to all of these; But I opine that they will find many many more similarities with Mohism & Legalism comparatively, hence my claim of "superior antecedents".
>>2518945>did mozi do classwar?Did the early modern utopian socialists?
>>2518726>Europeans literally invented the concepts of socialism and communism (Charles Fourier, Saint-Simon, Robert Owen, Marx & Engels)Again
>>2518812>Convince me otherwise, I'm willing to be convinced That Epicurus was a communist, but to my knowledge of both it's far more of a stretch for Epicurus since he wasn't trying to establish a society >>2518957>'Mohism' and 'Legalism' are superior moral & political antecedents for for socialism than Christianity & Liberalism are. For me this is an absolute certainty.That's just your opinion, bro.
>But I opine that they will find many many more similarities with Mohism & Legalism comparatively, hence my claim of "superior antecedents".Wow, anon can predict the future!!! Can you do an AMA for us please? And please continue to not elaborate on why you think such and such, we are really enlightened by your bare-naked prediction.
>>2518970>Did the early modern utopian socialists?Saint-Simon renounced to his aristocratic rights immediately when the 1789 revolution happened, support it and thought the republican revolutionaries didn't finish the job properly, that more could be done.
Charles Fourier lost all his business and money when the revolution happened. He was a bit of weary of revolutions after this, but still remarked quite justly:
>Civilized Nations ! while the Barbarians, deprived of your light, know how to maintain their Societies and their Institutions for thousands of years, how is it that yours are overthrown so rapidly, and often in the same century which gives them birth ?>We hear you continually deploring the fragility of your works, and the cruelty of Nature, who causes the prodigies of your genius to be so speedily destroyed. Cease to attribute these disasters to time or to chance ; they are the result of the gross incompetency of your social systems, which fail to insure to the destitute Masses the means of labor and subsistence. It is to bring you to confess your ignorance, that Nature holds the glaive over your Empires and exults over their ruin. >>2518974I am not the other anon, and I wasn't responding to you (I was responding to him in fact).
Please just ignore my posts here. Thanks 👍
>>2518970Interestingly one can definitely see that warring states period was filled with class warfare, though it was more horizontal in nature due to ancient feudalism that existed at the time.
My current view is that when Qin reunified the country their reforms effectively abolished the feudalism and put into place a developed form of 'asiatic mode of production'. Aristocrats continued yo exist of course but they were no longer feudal lords with independent military & legislative power; Their status was dependent on central state largesse (service when the state was strong/strengthening, graft & corruption when it was weak/weakening).
I would be interested to hear your views on these matters.
>>2515912I don't get the joke
>>2519137Well of course 墨子 did not engage in class war of the proper Proletarian kind, however he was the first philosopher to speak of the right to rebel against injustice and bad authority; and despite the risk of triggering our third interlocutor I feel obliged to point out that this notion only occured in the west after it was introduced by native american philosophers
Some scholars think 墨 (ink) refers to tatoos which would indicate he was a commoner, something that given his views might be possible, that he was literate suggests that if this was the case he would have been a skilled technician or craftsmen
As to the Asiatic mode of production, I'm not so sure Marx in my opinion was very much using it as a place holder for "things that aren't european feudalism that seem to have something commonality" the political economy of the Qin state functioned far more like that of the Incas than the empires Marx categorised as examples of the Asiatic mode of production
The economy was planned, and for the most part the state provides goods directly rather than there being any kind of currency exchange which very much makes the Qin state very much an outlier among historical Chinese states, including the competing warring states that Qin defeated to reunify China –after the feudal fragmentation of the Zhou– generally had some kind of market economy (although this was suppressed in favour of state factories again during the Tang dynasty)
It is thought that this unique social organisation was what gave the state of Qin the advantage over its rivals
>>2518714I fucking LOVE how butthurt Sakai gets “leftists”. It‘s recommended more often because it informs people about the truth that white proles will generally favor their superstructural privileges over allying with other proles. You don‘t need a source for that because it‘s easily observable. Orange retard is in office mostly because of whites and self-hating hispanics who think they are white. Europe is turning fascists and thing all their problems come from a fraction of the population having an accent and tan skin.
>>2519235Sakai upsets me because he cites things that say the direct opposite of his clams when there were plenty of citations available that would have supported them, sometimes only a few chapters away from what he cites
>>2519304It's almost as if Sakai deliberately wrote Settlers in a way that tillitates and enthuses the casual reader while discrediting himself and his work to someone who delves a bit, but not enough to notice that Sakai could have made his argument credible with less effort than the way he plays with his sources
>>2519329Who cares about delving? It’s obvious he’s right because otherwise the US would have had a revolution already
whether or not people deserve it socialism must be forced on everyone or else we'll go extinct
>>2519304I'm glad my effort exposing Sakai is still paying off. The quotes from Foster are the ones that are still getting posted, but I checked several of his other citations too and the result is similar. It's pretty incredible because the dude just straight up lies about what he finds, and I guess the only reason he didn't was that he didn't reckon on the internet providing easy access to his sources.
But still, anyone that's been hit with shit from "on the jewish question" should know to check the source for context, especially when whatever it is is being used to smear communists and communism.
>>2519335This stupid shit you're saying is exactly why you should be delving. You swallowed this nonsense hook, line, and sinker, and now you're acting retarded.
>>2519335Because he's written it in a way that turns the readers against the most progressive strains of the wypipo orgs while whitewashing the shit wypipo orgs
>>2519343Why does it matter when wiypip orgs have never and will never amount to anything
>>2519347It's creepy as fuck, and someone should probably just go through it and rewrite it
Done properly it would be far more damning and useful
>>2519348Linking trotskyite blogs proves nothing
>>2519352Material conditions made me a hitlerite, anything else is Jack Thompson style analysis
>>2519353Ad hom retardation because you can't defend your beliefs
>>2519356I guess the only solution for you is a bullet in your brain glhf
>>2519357If the white population of the US was at all revolutionary, there would have been a revolution, simple as
>>2519359>the white populationI'm sure there's a thread on /hobby/ for talking about myths and other fantasies like mothman or the jersey devil if that's your thing.
>>2519376It’s about as real as gender is, a social reality, if not a physical one
Socialist philosophy and ideology was conserved of in Europe, it makes no sense for a socialist to be anti-European.
>>2516665>Thirldies have their lack of development to blame, what excuse do westerners have?Overfinacialization causing a hollowing out of industry, leading to a regression of productive forces.
>>2519359>>2519381IS their any racial group in America that are revolutionary?
>>2519389No, the continent itself is reactionary
>>2519200Now this is the kind of discussion I was hoping to trigger.
What you say about the Qin economy being too planned to be asiatic is an interesting point. I suppose on potential muddle that I had in my mind (but did not state properly) in the comment you replied to was that I was thinking about the overall (average) way the 'Chinese' economy functioned after Qin reforms for the next couple thousand years.
So obviously there are periods when it is more planned & 'statified' and other periods when it is less, with the Qin era being one end of that spectrum (and periods of dissolution/degeneration & competing states being closer to the other end)
There is a broder issue at work I think because its clear that their mide of production (in the sense of the underlying logics that direct the economy) is not tribal/informal, nor feudal nor capitalist, nor socialist (I don't believe there is distinct slave mode myself, but that's another conversation).
I think one can make an argument that feudalism doesn't end in much of western europe in the 18th & 19th centuries, but actually far earlier (sometime in the 14th to 16th). That with, for example, the reforms of Louis the 14th, you already have the aristocracy becoming more like a landowning bourgeoisie, and the contest is between them, the merchant bourgeoisie and the central bureaucratic power of the Monarchy. Unlike with the Qin though, the third eventually loses out because ot relied in the first to curb the power of the second. In the intermediate period between feudalism and the french revolution almost a balance between 'planned asiatic' & 'landowning bourgeois' modes (I know I am being a bit loose with terms here, but the situation in those times certainly cannot be quite so neatly put into one box if one disregards superficial similarities)
And on that a bit of an irony: Lu Buwei was himself a merchant before becoming the Qin prime minister; That the state he worked for eventually became such a relatively planned economy within a tight 'legalist' framework with merchants being relatively weak as a class certainly contrasts heavily with what happened in France.
>>2519506*It relied on the second to curb the power of the first.
Very important correction.
americans do not deserve socialism
>>2521635No one outside of Asia, Latin America, or Africa needs nor deserves socialism
europeans are genetically reactionary
americans, due to intimate contact with afrikans and native amerikans, shed their reactionary genes
>>2519398>>2521720If Europe is so reactionary then socialism must also be reactionary, because the first socialist thinkers were Europeans.
>deserve
Europeans are even less capable of socialism than Brits, but there is no right life in the wrong one.
>>2522246They were spiritually asian
>>2515916Except Eastern Europe, specifically former "Soviet Bloc" states, are currently the beating heart of Fascism and reaction in the world. Fascist parties are outlawed in much of decent Europe but thrive in the Eastern parts.
>>2522304this is as big of a cope as /pol/ saying nippon is le aryan
>>2522355Right wing populism is exploding in the west
>>2522355Fascist parties are outlawed in the west? A fascist is in power in Italy
A fascist is the biggest party in France right now
Geert wilders won the elections in the Netherlands not so long ago
>>2522369Refer to the theory:
>>2515987 Why was this saged?
>>2522616>>2522781Its too bad. I was kind of hoping I would get a bit more engagement on this:
>>2519506 >>2522781it was a great thread.
>>2522304Welcome back, Julius Evola
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