/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2521627
>>2521628
The U$ is a Prison house of Nations, which treats the Black/New Afrikan, Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo, and First Nations/Native American population like they are not U$ citizens (Trump ending birthright citizenship will probably transform this from a De facto to a De jure reality by officially stripping citizenship from most of these populations), with them essentially acting as a permanent domestic underclass with essentially no rights that are exploited for cheap labor and disproportionately suffer from Mass incarceration and police brutality, with their neighborhoods essentially under De facto occupation by militarized police (The nationwide ICE raids in Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo communities, and deployment of the National Guard to both Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo and Black/New Afrikan neighborhoods in LA, Chicago, DC, etc. have made this Material reality even more obvious), as New Afrika, Aztlan, and the First Nations are Internal Colonies/Oppressed Nations inside of the U$, and their National Liberation should be the number one goal of U$ Communists (U$ Communists must give up on the Quixotic Bourgeois Electoralist Tailist Chauvinist effort to desperately appeal to the Ultra-Reactionary White Settler Labor Aristocracy) as stipulated by the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist principle of Self-Determination of all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR as articulated in Stalin’s “Marxism and the National Question” https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03a.htm and Lenin’s “The Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self-Determination” https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/jan/x01.htm , along with the National Delimitation Policy of the USSR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_delimitation_in_the_Soviet_Union , which will happen once the inevitable World War III between the U$ and China escalates into a Global Nuclear War that will destroy the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System, thus allowing for a World Maoist PPW (in both the Periphery/Semi-Periphery where Maoist PPW is already viable in the Material Conditions, as proven by the ongoing Maoist PPWs in India, the Philippines, Turkey, and Peru, and in the Imperial Core, where Maoist PPW wont be viable in the Material Conditions until World War III breaks out and/or Liberal Bourgeois Democracy is permanently suspended, with these two events being related and probably happening around the same time) to create a Global USSR (all of the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR are pictured in the map I posted, with the former U$ Balkanized into a New African SSR that includes the Black/New Afrikan majority counties of the Black Belt, a Hispano-American SFSR that includes the Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo majority counties in the U$ Southwest, along with the rest of the Spanish-speaking Multiracial regions of the Americas, while the White Settler majority regions in the rest of the former U$ becomes part of the Anglo-American SFSR, which also includes the English-speaking provinces of Canada, as Quebec will become its own SSR, with all the Native American reservations becoming ASSRs) to Place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2521866

talk with your friends in a room without cell phones or modern LCD TVs. The panopticon can't get you if you do even minor things like turning off 2g and being mildly tech literate

It's important to note that the right in America still have their points of gathering, their third places. Far-right conservatives still have many places to congregate and formulate their diabolical plans, they have their own political party with thinktanks and advocacy groups and superpacs, the police and military, legally-sanctioned militias, white churches, conservative ivy league schools, private christian schools, veteran guildhalls, gun clubs and gun ranges and sporting goods stores, county fairs and rodeos and other rural points of gathering, rural diners and bars and farm supply stores and of course the entire social media ecosystem which is dominated by an ultrawealthy elite who have great financial incentive to promote right-wing conservative ideology on their platforms and algorithmically catering content to favor and accomodate the right.

The entire system is rigged to make it very easy for right-wing Americans to organize and form groups and engage in populist activism, but utterly impossible for the left to do the same thing. The possible points of gathering have been wiped out and those who attempt to organize are criminalized and lambasted in the media as agitators or terrorists or communists or whatever it might be and the police and the feds bring the hammer down on them and all they end up doing is creating another new useful propaganda tool for the opposition, now Trump and republicans have some convenient new bogeyman they can scapegoat as the culprit for anything bad that happens in America.

>>2521530
i get hating america the government but Just World Hypothesis is stupid
>>2521764
campism is an allegation that is used to complain about anti-imperialism more often than not. Opposed to America couping, sanctioning, embargoing, loan sharking, etc.? Umm it's just inter imperialist war sweaty. It's a thought terminating cliche. Even between bourgeois regimes differences shouldn't be flattened and ignored with the theoretical justification that it's all the same maaaaaaaaaan

>>2521518
>America is so hecking scary right now goiyz, orange man is gonna literally criminalize the thriving leftist scene in USA!! Why are you not concerned about this!!!?!?!
It's literally always been this way. The fact that communist orgs in the states are not already clandestine should concern you

Didn't read past the first sentence.
If /pol/ still survives today then so will we, we do not live in fascism, we do not live in WW2 France or Yugoslavia, don't go out and do adventurism or one man terror attacks prone to backfiring and you won't be arrested, simple.
I'm sure you will reply with
>No! Yes we do and with Trump more so, they left /pol/ up because they're in on it!
Or some shit to cope but at the moment I'm not really worried the FBI will show up at my doorstep and go "Your IP pinged on leftypol dot org care to explain?"

>>2522179
>>2522183
>everything is fine actually libtard nothing ever happens and caring makes you the biggest libtard of all

Getting really tired of this genre of post

>>2522188
Then stop making the same post for months on end on here and the America thread if you don't want to here the same logical conclusion multiple people are coming to.

I like to believe that what you're describing probably already exists at least to a certain extent and that that the people in them are smart enough not to announce their existence on places like leftypol.

>>2522195
Leftypol is where praxis goes to die

>>2522188
Who said everything is fine? Or that we shouldn't care? America has been by far the biggest source of reaction/anticommunism in history for decades. If you're just now getting concerned because of Trump you are a fucking retard

>>2522212
Okay so why all this poopooing of anyone and everyone who's being made aware of this in part thanks to this administration's Stupid Evil tendencies and want to do something to stop American imperialism as a result? I swear every single thread if someone suggests things in America are bad they get piled on by a mix of third worldist trolls who will tell you that actually you have it great and Americans "deserve" to suffer or leftcom parodies who think anything other than sitting around sneering at people is reactionary.

Furthermore: For the hell of it let's say the US Government really wanted you dead.
They wouldn't go after you, drag you to a camp, "monitor you."
They'd use the built in hardware backdoors in your phones to blow them up the next time you take a phone call from mom, they'd use the smart system in your home to cause a gas leak, they'd disable your cars breaks at a stoplight.
Good luck finding any sort of encrypted and non bugged fed funded hardware, if exit nodes from fed funded TOR already worries you, don't, the NSA already has a backdoor in your hardware, and no OS or prep will save you.
They won't wait years, days, or minutes, they get a clearing and do it, it's so simple and easy now that there is no purpose in doing it how the Nazis did it, the modern USA has become far worse than the Stasi, the Cheka, or the Gestapo and SS ever were. You can encrypt all you'd like, the NSA will just use sonar to track down all your in person speeches anywhere that isn't more than 150 feet away from electronics.
If you really pissed them off and somehow out maneuver them two things will happen
-A man will come find you, if they know you go to the door with a gun they will wait until you're outside, within 6 feet they will speak one word, you'll fall over from a heart attack.
Or
-You get gunned down by a cop, they write down that it was you who shot first JUST LIKE Phil Schneider, just like William Cooper, who regardless of what you think their conclusions of where the NWO was going, they basically both ended up being murdered and had their files fabricated, so idiots to this day can go "Question everything except official government death reports."
You won't go down a martyr you'll go down as a awful accident no one could have predicted.
<SO YOU'RE SAYING WE SHOULD GIVE UP?! WE SHOULD DO NOTHING?!
No?
But Marx said that socialism will come about when it materially can, you shouldn't stop but until everyone is on board nothing will.
Vanguard parties of any form are not going to be able to take hold of things any more, especially not in the USA where democrats and republicans rule, they are as much of a relic as political prisoners.
You need to come up with a new solution to new problems. Because without that there is only being a useful idiot.

>>2522223
Because it means you haven't been paying attention to the last 70 years on this planet, not even to the last 30. Most likely because you're a liberal.

Sorry but if you think people here still need to "be informed" of the evils of America and it's war criminal cast of presidents, you might be severely retarded

>>2522140

If you want a real-life visual example, just go for a quick drive to the poor rural white outskirts of your town and then drive to the poor urban black part of your town and compare what you see, particularly the kinds of businesses and non-residential infrastructure.

In the poor black inner city you see liquor stores and pawnshops and footlockers and cell phone stores and bail bonds loansharks and check cashing loansharks and ambulance chaser lawfirms and stores that buy the gold from your teeth. No free spaces, nowhere for people to hang out, nowhere for people to exercise their first amendment rights, just a bunch of predatory businesses which all serve the same function of sucking up what little wealth the local residents have and giving it all back to Whitey. There is no place that all local citizens of this community can go to to congregate and have meetings and discuss whats going on in their community and decide what to do about it, there's nothing but buildings with bars over the windows run by parasites who don't give a shit about the local community at all. They can't build a community center or a meeting hall or anything like that because the city isn't interested in doing any kind of development in that part of town unless it's something that draws in lots of business and wealth and gentrifies the community and gets rid of all the poor black people. The black church used to be backbone of the Civil Rights Movement, but the black church depends on black families to survive and when communities are systemically driven into poverty and drug addiction and criminalized by the War on Drugs and entire generations of fathers are incarcerated or killed, the black family falls apart and generations of young black people grow up in broken homes and impoverished chaotic environments and they don't go to church anymore, the black churches don't get any financial assistance from the government, so they fade away and you don't see them much anymore, the black church is not nearly the cultural force it used to be, the strong community and family values that kept black communities together and allowed them to fight back against the racist Empire were deliberately and insidiously eroded away by The Empire and its white nationalist agenda. Even doing something as simple as gathering in a park or some public place is not possible, any time a large group of black people forms in the inner city it's only a matter of time before the police show up and make them disperse.

The poor white part of town is a somewhat different story. You see farms and grain silos and agricultural processing plants and lumber mills and lumber yards and freight yards and all these places where the local people work hard at their blue collar jobs that don't pay very much money and they drive dirty pickup trucks and drink a lot of cheap beer. White churches are everywhere and dominate the landscape and they wield tremendous sociopolitical influence, everywhere you look there's an evangelical Christian church where everyone congregates every Sunday to discuss how liberal woke culture is taking over our schools and our media and our culture and what must be done about it. The smaller local businesses are things like farming supply stores and general stores and sporting goods stores and gun clubs and farmer's markets and diners and bars all owned by the same people who frequent them, not outsiders setting up predatory franchises to exploit and perpetuate the poverty and crime and moral decay of a community. The rural white people won't stand for businesses like that in their decent Christian rural town, they actually some say in what gets built in their neighborhood and what doesn't, wheres the poor black people in the inner city have no say at all. People can pretty much congregate as they please, people can gather in large groups and the police never come in and break it up, they can even form armed militia groups and go out in the boonies and shoot their assault rifles for target practice and the police or locals won't be bothered a bit, they'll likely want to join in. There are two different Americas.

One thing that's pretty odd and interesting about this is, in the latter example of the poor white rural area where everyone's a good ol' boy - it's not actually a perfect monoculture of nothing but white people - in many places, especially the Deep South, you'll find random conservative country black people living out in the white rural areas, immersed in the American rural redneck culture and way of life and mostly accepted and treated as equals in the community, where the population density is so low that everyone tends to know each other quite well thus racial barriers tend to break down more easily and the strong fundamentalist Christian values are something poor black Americans and poor white Americans will always have in common.

Pretending the US doesn't have any revolutionary potential is one of the few ways that thirdie copers can pretend to be superior. And it's not even real. The average thirdie shithole has far less chance of revolution due to extreme religious and/or ethnic chauvinism

>>2521530
>>2521579
your are literally american lol

>>2522286
I’m not pretending to he oppressed, the world would be better if I and every other American dropped dead and I’m the only one honest enough to admit it

>>2522301
>world would be better if I and every other American dropped dead
you first than lol u know your not special and better than everyone else right? thats all misanthropy is.

>>2522223
Seventy years of deliberate internal decline pushed by sadism. Without imperialism the US would have collapsed.
>>2522235
Insane cowardice and catastrophism, combined with technological illiteracy.

>>2522305
Not worth it unless I take a meaningful number of powerful and important people with me, those people do not meet in large groups

Would any of my fellow Comrades like to give an In-Depth Intellectual critique of my Dialectical Materialist analysis of the Material conditions of the U$, particularly with regards to the Internal Colonies/Oppressed Nations of New Afrika, Aztlan, and the First Nations at >>2521941 , ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2522309
>Insane cowardice and catastrophism, combined with technological illiteracy.
I cited cases of fabricated police assassinations.
I won't pull up every single article on NSA backdoors built into hardware but the fact that you don't remember reading them as early as 2014 tells me i have nothing more to say to you.
>Cowardice
No, I'm not saying I'm afraid to die, I'm saying it would be pointless. It's critique not cowardice.
>Catastrophism
Israel literally can blow up pagers that were memed as "The safe untraceable alternatives to controlled fed phones" it's not sensationalism of any sort.

>>2522237

This got me to thinking about something:

You're a poor black guy living in the inner city, you've got no social mobility, no opportunities, all the industry's gone and there's no decent work anymore, just service-sector mcjobs that pay an unliveable slave wage, there's crime and chaos everywhere, if you call the cops they either hang up the phone or they come kick your ass and throw in jail for bothering them, you are totally outside of civilization despite living in its epicenter. What do you do?

One thing you could do is just say fuck the city, make a plan and figure a way to scrape together some money and hit the ejector seat, find a cheap house or trailer in the rural middle of nowhere and get a job driving a truck or something. Then you slowly begin to adapt to your new lifestyle, you start wearing dirty wrangler jeans and work boots and plaid button down shirts and a raggedy John Deere cap, you become so assimilated into the local community that their racism and paranoia begins to subside and they get used to you, they even start picking up some your mannerisms. You drive around in your dirty Ford pickup truck and the police wave and smile to you and you wave back. You can go to church and talk about Jesus and the liberals and the evils of homosexuality and the importance of traditional family values with other likeminded people, you can keep a massive military arsenal and shoot guns at the gun range with the local militia nuts and the off-duty cops and to them you're just another ally who loves freedom and hates the government.

Is this what is happening right now? Is this why country music and rap music are starting to sound more and more indistinguishable from one another? Is this why you are starting to see black Trumpers at Trump rallies being accepted into the movement as temporary token allies? Are white racist MAGA rednecks ironically beginning to make progress at building soliditary with working class black America which leftists have so miserably failed to do?

>>2521862
you don't need a 0 day to do man in the middle attacks or modify network traffic as an exit node. Most users won't notice and most open source software is compromised. Not to mention the hardware. You are spreading misinformation.

Western Communists need to get a job. In AI, robotics, automation, and Machine Learning.

Then radicalize and unionize. Because aren't Communists supposed to seize the means of production?

But they don't. Because that would entail getting a job.

>>2528221
>15 year old video about out of date techniques.
<you are spreading misinformation
lmao.

>>2528228
the texhniques are still relevant

>>2528225
All hype bubbles with nothing to do with the real economy

>>2528235
Maybe if you've found some old networked box which hasn't been updated in a decade.
Moxie sold out btw. fuck him.

>>2528237
Too late, the US is already in labor market recession as AI kills junior dev positions. However, the AI bubble keeps the American economy alive.

Yes, the AI bubble is a hype train. On the other hand, there are real and useful technologies being developed.

You're effectively engaged in wrecker behavior, what Porky fears most is "Best Capital Allocating Robot", because it automates him out of a job, actually realized OGAS, and cybersyn.

No other means to socialism will work, because you'll get euthanized by fashbots once the LTOV breaks down at capitalist hyper accumulation.

>>2528478
Your colleague seized the means of production from 5 to 11. The colleague you're fucking seized the means of production from 11 to 9.

Congratulations, now we have socialism.

The West needs more radical left-wing extremism, particularly acts of domestic terrorism directed at corporate property.

>>2521518
Western Communists Need To touch grass and Form ANYTHING

They already tried the urban guerilla shit and it ended with weirdo cults who just engage in a few acts of illegalism before disbanding like the Weather Underground or all of those crazy Japanese organizations.

>>2522235
>They'd use the built in hardware backdoors in your phones to blow them up the next time you take a phone call from mom, they'd use the smart system in your home to cause a gas leak, they'd disable your cars breaks at a stoplight.
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>>2536890
Surveillance and AI prediction. We are so fucked.

Electronic warfare is the future and unlike conventional assymmetric warfare, a guerilla terrorist group can cause quite a lot of damage and chaos in ways that law enforcement and military personnel are not prepared for. A bomb being set off or a mass shooting, the authorities are trained and prepared to deal with these acts of terrorism and it is very easy to locate where the attack is coming from and unlikely for the perpetrator to survive or escape apprehension after such an obvious act of violence. But what about a makeshift EMP device silently wiping out half a city's electrical grid at the speed of light? Or what about hundreds of low-cost battery powered micro jammers the size of a credit card that disconnect every mobile phone and wireless network within a city block being planted on city buses all over town? For very little investment and some pretty basic knowledge of electricity, e-war insurgents can cause billions of dollars in damages in ways that are very difficult to trace and the only response would be to harden all of the national electrical and communication infrastructure against such attacks with countermeasure devices, the costs of which would also be tremendous.

>>2522372
>You drive around in your dirty Ford pickup truck and the police wave and smile to you and you wave back.
Well I wouldn't go *that* far. I don't even know any white people who do that shit.

>Is this what is happening right now? Is this why country music and rap music are starting to sound more and more indistinguishable from one another?
I think there's several things going on. One might be because of immigration, as odd as this sounds. The percentage of the foreign-born population has returned to another historic high (not unprecedented, but like how it was before immigration tightened up before World War II). But there's just so many people from all over the world, and it's like, who are these people? "And how do I relate to these people?" They might speak English but they don't speak the same cultural "language," but white and black Americans do with some minor variation, and have the same regional accents more or less, because we are basically the same people. I don't think it's such a bad deal, and people are pretty similar around the world, but the shared history and culture of white and black Americans both makes for easier or more natural communication. It just "clicks."

Shared cultural interests, like the same sports.

Especially among working-class people in small towns, suburbs, exurbs. People who hang out at the Applebee's. Exhibit A.

Exhibit B

The other thing is that the black population of the U.S. has also spread out a lot more. There have long been black suburban neighborhoods in the U.S., but I think overall the gentrification of the cities has pushed more blacks out to the same places where a lot of white dudes who drive Chevy trucks also live, and they go to the same bars, work at the same jobs.

Then another factor might be Black Lives Matter. As far as that reflects polarization in American society, I do think those things have wider effects in society and culture. When it was happening, me and friends were shocked that hundreds of people turned out to demonstrate for BLM in Vidor, Texas. I mean white people. This will not mean anything to a lot of people here, but it'd be like pro-Russian demonstrations in Lviv or something. It was totally shocking to us. But the fact that it happened there also meant underlying changes in the society had already occurred.

Third spaces are a non-issue. Map out your workplace and see who could be linked up with and in what way. If your workplace is too small or you get no hits, apply to other places and move on to the next once you get a job.

The goal is an insurgency that eventually contests governance. We are in the unique position as workers to map out society at a much more granular level than the existing state, which has to settle for a birds eye view. Everything begins and ends with deep social analysis.

Also, cells need to broadcast their existence in order to get in touch with one another. The goal is to grow a cell around a couple committed comrades via face to face recruitment, and many of these cells working together on specific campaigns without any open recruitment or sharing sensitive info. At first it's just us, the ideological communists who come to this conclusion, that will be seeding cells. Eventually it will be a unified party that sends comrades out into unorganized areas to do the work.

Build funnel groups that are low-stakes but can be used for education and further filtering via conversations and low-stakes trust building action. E.g. a charity group, a shooting club made up of friends, a book club for the nerds. These can gather in people's homes, outside at a meeting spot, or even in churches. We don't strictly need third spaces, the truth is we won't get safe/neutral third spaces to work in, society is structured for the reproduction of bourgeois rule and everything is political. At the very least you'll always have a home and a job.

None of this is new, this is how the bolsheviks and to a certain extent the chinese did it.

We actually have some advantages they didn't: dense information storage capacity, ease of publishing, cryptographic identity authentication, encryption, and possibly/temporarily anonymous communication between anyone in the same country via meshnets. These are huge advantages that solve some of the key logistical issues bolsheviks faced. Every cell can control a cryptographic identity and sign it's communications. Every individual in a cell can do the same. Everything can be encrypted, and data can be sent over meshnets or through minuscule physical mediums like microsd that won't be found in a cop frisk. This works heavily in our favor, since we can more often prove who we are talking to; don't have to maintain physical headquarters; can prove who we are without providing or having any shared secret knowledge; and can communicate without fear of snooping. The main issues are organizational now rather than technical. Less technical expertise is needed. The main thing is for this model, and the truth of the specific ways past successful communists organized, to be spread among alienated ideological communists. It's sad that we have no hub online to generate consensus. Revleft is dead, leftypol is dead, reddits were never an option. We're missing the very first step which is for the intellectuals to come to the right consensus based on the history of revolution. Right now that history is buried and few people are promoting it.

>>2537043

>this is how the bolsheviks and to a certain extent the chinese did it.

That was a hundred years ago, now we live in the 21st century surveillance state where the workplace is an authoritarian regime under 24/7 surveillance and unions and labor organizing are dead.

Also the workplace might not be the best place to start the revolution considering it won't be too much longer now before most of us don't even have a fucking workplace anymore.

>>2521764
AmeriKKKa has fucked us over for decades, fuck the US and any """"""leftists"""" or """''minorities""""" that live there, they brought this bullshit upon themselves and their egotiscal self centered world view, an amerikkkan would climb a ladder and pull it over leaving everyone else behind, even their own fellow countrymen let alone the global south, you are an amerikkkan and want to help the international proletariat ? buy a gun, as many bullets as you can, save one, and start shooting every single men, women and child you see, if they are an politician, government official or CEO (as if there was any difference) prioritize them, do that until you are empty, use the last bullet on yourself, if every amerikkkan """"leftist""" does this maybe the world has a future, if you are from europe or the zionist entity and want to help i encourage you doing the same

How would you actually convince anyone to join a underground group though
Its already hard enough to get them to read a book

>>2537260
I can join your underground cell :)

>>2537070
1. all that's required is the ability to have conversations with coworkers, not necessarily on the clock. This is not a high bar
2. if we all lose our jobs and there's a huge surplus population then I'd advise going door to door and seeing who else is in the same boat and organizing the unemployed, and immediately engaging in taxation or some form of banditry to keep yourself fed and free

>>2537260
Only people seriously committed to liberation would join. Don't expect it to be like a mass above-ground org where the goal is to make anyone join and then educate them. Educate and vet them first in low stakes front groups that can build their resolve and knowledge of the scope of injustice and what it takes to win. Secondary reasons to join could be a sense of agency in a chaotic world, camaraderie, and the safety net provided by mutual aid - all the things missing in society for the average person.

>>2521599
i'm still in awe at how stupid this take is, even two weeks after it was dropped.

>>2537260
if someone is too ADHD to read give them youtube videos
also people dont need to be super theorybrained to get involved in revolutionary politics

keep it simple
the system doesnt work we need a new system we can organize whats necessary now and form a group based on that interest of making dual power its easy to see its necessity