How do you think American liberal politics will play out once Trump is no longer in power?
For the past 10 years, the entire crux of the Democratic Party has been "STOP TRUMP". The average American Democrat or liberal now bases their political views solely on how much they hate Trump, MAGAts, "manosphere" podcasters, so-called "alt-right pipelines", and everything in between. They have no real principles and it shows.
The right-wing, on the other hand, believes it is creating a new world; it's a much worse world, but that's how they want it. This has caused liberals to prop up the old, dying system as a way of preventing it from collapsing into something worse. Now, we're seeing liberals who claim to be "left-wing" embrace everything from free trade agreements (on the basis Trump's tariffs need to be stopped) to hyper-consumerism (on the basis that spending money on fashion and makeup and mindless consumer goods helps maintain your "individuality" against Trump-era conformity) to literal junk food (in order to own RFK and MAHA). It doesn't take much to realize all of these were once things American liberals strongly opposed 20-25 years ago; I'm old enough to remember when "clean girl" no-makeup aesthetics, eating organic, and herbal medicines were leftist things.
American liberals are now pushing a culture of hyper-rationality and order to counter the mass chaos that has erupted in America under Trump. They hate ICE agents terrorizing communities but they hate the sporadic community defence and protests that pop up to beat back ICE even more. They hate the Luigi Mangiones and the Tyler Robinsons and the prospects of an American Years of Lead. They want everything to be "rational" and based on slow progression and linear shit. But this way is outdated. Trying to find the "middle path" doesn't work when capitalism is in a state of collapse. For the liberal, everything that doesn't fit their paradigm is "mysticism" which always equates to "fascism" and needs to be stamped out before it manifests into authoritarianism. But how can this hyper-rationalism win?
The same is true of foreign policy. Liberals insist on American soft power, which arguably won't work in a world post-Gaza where American support for the most documented genocide in recent history was on full display. Trump, on the other hand, is an old school imperialist who simply seizes whatever he demands without caring.
So where does that leave the Democrats and their liberal base? What happens if Trump succumbs to kidney disease or whatever illness he has and dies in office from natural causes? The Dems spent 10 years obsessively attacking Trump and the "irrationality" of his supporters without providing anything worthy of their own. Realistically, what's going to happen?
50 posts and 5 image replies omitted.>>2527866You're being condescending.
>>2527866>Democrat Partyare you 60
>Well after Trump is out of office, then comes the "we defeated Trump" term.
That makes a lot of sense actually, we might see a rerun of the Obomber victory after 8 years of Dubya which I guess lots of us are old enough to remember. They might even wheel out the old fuck himself, lol, but more probably some reasonably fresh face perhaps? Someone well-spoken, charismatic and inspiring whom the whipped masses can gather around as their savior from Drumpflism. A latino might be nice. But one thing's for certain, it can't be a woman – burgers are too reactionary for that.
Or we'll just get suspended/fraudulent elections while Trump&co sell the US for parts and usher in patchwork techno-feudalism. Exciting times!
American "liberalism" is just fascism bro
Both democrats and republicans are pandering to christian nationalists
>>2528706Dems don’t pander to Christians. They pander to “logical” and “rational” educated elites (PMC). The people who think they’re too smart for religious faith.
>>2528710They’re literally in the process of throwing sexual minorities under the bus for suburban votes
>another thread about the USkys
>>2528706>>2528713>its not REAL liberalism because i dont like itlmfao retards
>>2526893That's a sign the left is developing and the schizos are splitting like ᴉuᴉlossnW did.
>>2528731Ezra Klein manufacturing consent for it all over his twitter feed
>>2528710The Dem primary is about pandering to black church goers in red states.
>>2526933"But they can't stay center because a large portion of their voters are turning against them on the basis they aren't leftist enough." Not so sure of that, that's what some said in 2016 after clinton lost and see what happened
>>2526850At the end of the day the needs of capital will determine what political vision succeeds. Biden tried to bruteforce growth through state infrastructure spending and it didn't work. Trump is trying to bruteforce growth through tariff arbitrage and it also doesn't work.
No party is willing to commit to the obvious solution (limited nuclear/biological war that kills enough proles and destroys enough MoP to restore profitability to industrial production) so we're just gonna limp between blue and red-flavored nonsense administrations until the US military stages a coup and ends the First Republic for us.
I think liberalism is cooked, it's failed, it can't speak to the needs of the people (or at least pretend to) and can't articulate a vision of a better future or how to get there in a way that motivates anyone but a tiny sliver of the population. It's bargained and compromised on everything formerly used to justify itself, Gaza during the Biden years was a violent and ugly contradiction to everything liberalism claims to stand for that liberalism was unable to prevent or end. Instead they cracked down on dissent which deepened the hypocrisy further. Total ideological crisis. Their political coalition collapsed out of something like despair in the face of Biden and Harris.
The only ways to effectively combat Trump similarly require a break from liberalism in order to restore liberalism. They are paralyzed. We are less than a year into Trumps term and we are already at a point where it looks like any Democrat running for president will be forced to articulate whether or not they will try to punish anyone in the Trump admin for the crimes so far, let alone those to come. Imagine that being an issue at all but to the Dems that's something they will still try to avoid and tamp down on! Abolishing ICE is on the lips of huge swathes of their core base, not radical left people at all, and sure they can use the media to give those people orders but we are already so far past the demands Obama or Biden ever had to shrug off from these people and we've got a long time to go. And they are going to dig in their heels and refuse, or at best make vague allusions to maybe doing that, which will be walked back while in office.
People need their leadership to start municipal and state militias that vastly outnumber ICE and arrest them for any incursions, they need direction and cover and solid resistance to Trump's escalations, they need their police forces decisively purged and retooled to protect the population and subdue federal goons. The shutdown should be used to force the withdrawal of troops from blue cities and states. Instead it's just epic clap backs and statements.
So they can win the White House again (I doubt they will) but they are still dead in the water, they are expired. Any liberal president going forward will likely be another flavor of fascist expanding and normalizing Trump's America like Obama did after Bush. This won't solve any problems or bring any stability, so the Democrats are fucking done and any victories that await them are merely delays to the collapse at best.
(Copypasta from 2020)
Biden's victory will definitely spell the end of the left-podcast grift, all the unfunny Patreon-funded "socialists" who followed Chapo will slowly die off once Trump is out of office and "resisting fascism" becomes unfashionable. Breadtube will devour itself and collapse, and the various magazines like Jacobin will shrivel and die. This will be helped along by a concerted effort by the establishment to clean up "extremism" online, which will involve purging militia/Qanon/Trumper shit along with anarchist and commie material on social media. Eventually the spectacular failure of both socdem electoralism and anarchist street riot-protests to gain a significant foothold will sink in. DSA will start seriously losing money and eventually implode. The Greens will face a backlash and purge from the granola liberals. All other party-sects will remain regional or irrelevant. Existing activists will hit the wall and burn out. Socialism will return to being a fringe wierdo thing, the way right-libertarianism is becoming today. Yes, material circumstances will continue to deteriorate, but without a coherent base among industrial workers or a sympathetic ear in the liberal establishment people will default to identitarian nationalism and rioting rather than any cohesive political movement.
It won't, hopefully
Liberalism is so thoroughly baked into America's conception of self, that fascists will have no trouble presenting themselves as the True Liberals sooner or later
Democrats will no longer have trump as a figure to punch around in their handmaidens tale larping fantasies. Vance being hooked up with the tech oligarchy might make him less endearing to the maga coalition. I have no idea how they would handle a milqtoast neocon like marco rubio winning somehow.
I can picture some outcomes of the 2028 democrat primary, half the runners wanting to be bill clinton 2.0, the other half so desperate they lob wedge issue truth nukes about trans rights and israel that make gavin sweat. guys like newsome do not want to have to talk about those things kek.
if gavin somehow gets past the primary in tact i see him choosing a vp who is more to the left of him in order to appease the chapo types and maybe as insurance against assassinations
post trump world is an interesting one, dude has been in power longer than any president or politican since fdr i guess.
Im as curious as what happens to both the left and right after trump.
>>2530527Kinda entirely wrong but not really
>>2530574MAGA already presents itself as "we are just the normal liberals from the 90s"
>>2530591Fair enough, I'm just curious about the next level of that trend post-Trump
People keep saying they'll run AOC but they're still blaming even the most milquetoast progressives for being too "ultra" and currently their gameplan is to get a blue Joe Rogan and abundance (blue neoliberalism). Trumpism will probably fade away once he's gone because his style of leadership cannot sustain itself. That's why he resorts to images of violence to argue for himself that he's the leader.
Again, this is the DNC where the majority voted against impeaching Trump for the Iran shit. Even if this No TYRANTS bullshit is just a rally for progressive DNC super pacs, I don't see any evidence they'll swing that direction suddenly.
>>2530580It would probably be right in a world where Biden could easily deliver on all his promises and the fronts in Ukraine and Palestine stayed frozen. But like most alternate history scenarios that requires changing a million other things to the point where it's basically a different world
>>2530591MAGA also repeatedly claimed to be the ones upholding democracy against a tyrannical Democratic Party over pressure to censor certain things online. And yet even leftists will never second guess their belief in democracy LOL
Better question: what will the libs do when they can no longer blame Russia for anything?
>>2532827They will always find a new scapegoat, the next one will probably be China and leftcoms here will toe the NATO line as they always do.
>>2532911Mad and triggered
>>2526850>I'm old enough to remember when "clean girl" no-makeup aesthetics, eating organic, and herbal medicines were leftist things. the new line is that clean girl is racist because its juxtaposing a young healthy white woman vs a black girl or latina chola eating a cheeto.
>>2533620Absolutely retarded. Anti-makeup was always a leftist rejection of capitalist beauty standards and now leftist women are embracing makeup as a liberal own against MAGA? Please.
>>2529422<Not so sure of that, that's what some said in 2016 after clinton lost and see what happenedyeah but that was kindof a fluke, and Biden ended up adopting Bernies positions and personell half way at least at first
>>2533622its because no makeup is tradwaifu coded
>>2533625Ridiculous. They cake on the makeup in all of the social media posts.
>>2533625>”everything conservatives do I’ll do the opposite! That’ll show them!”Liberals deserve genocide just for being this moronic.
>>2533622there is no 'left' anymore in the west
IDpol-CIA-KKK has won
>>2532911Leftcom: Enemy Unknown
>>2533652Yup. They say Marx was racist and ableist so they replace him in universities with Foucault, who was a literal pefophile.
>>2533620It is amazing how much of a self-inflicted wound their collapse in support especially with men has been. Just continually promote the dumbest most unsustainable viewpoints and ugliest imagery possible, what could go wrong? Unfortunately most of the people at the top responsible for this aren't going to be the ones facing the consequences of this, many such cases.
>>2533830If Trumpers told people not to drink gasoline, ShitLibs would be chugging it by the gallon. That’s how fucking pathetic and worthless US politics is.
They will bomb at the midterms for being useless and then blame Russia.
Mamdani and AOC are the future of the Democrats.
hopefully people will wake the fuck up and realize libtardism doesn't get them anything but fucked over each and everytime
I don’t think that there will be a strong liberal movement after Trump. The liberal base is practically all just demsocs except for boomers and unless you consider them to also be liberals then it’s pretty much over. Everyone is either a demsoc or a Nazi which is pretty bad because I don’t think that demsocs are the polor opposite of Nazis, I would consider the polor opposite of a demsoc to be an Eisenhower-style conservative and I would consider the polor opposite of Nazis to be Maoists, then again what would a Guevarist like me know? After all we all like to think we are in the center.
>>2526945If the Dems could recover from the Vietnam debacle (Vietnam was a Dem project for most of America’s involvement) they can recover from the Gaza genocide
What they cannot recover from is their utter inability to improve anyone’s life in any way
>>2526850>american liberalism after liberalismSame old. Uniparty will continue to murder both americans and foreign victims of imperialism in the name of capital.
>How do you think American liberal politics will play out once Trump is no longer in power?
Those who aren't ready for socialism, particularly those not directly hit hard by the current repression, might just celebrate the 'victory' of Democrats (assuming they aren't overtly blocked from electoral power) and interpret it as the system working, validating their trust in US institutions, electoralism and the legal system. Honestly, a show-trial of Trump could kill a revolution.
But if socialists GTFO /leftypol/ and actually seize upon these grievances, they can inoculate people from liberalist claims of America working, if/when the Republicans face any roadblocks in the future.
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