Stalinoids have a tendency for projecting their great man idealism and assume Marxist critique of their cult is based on vilifying Stalin the man. However we reject their mythology of the one man (Khrushchev) singlehandedly dismantling an entire mode of production.
The Russian revolution lost because it failed to become international. Stalin had little to no role to play in that. In fact our only contention with Stalin is much less dramatic, it's simply his opportunist decision to not recognize the defeat of the revolution and instead to parade its corpse in order to maintain yet another capitalist state. His and others desecration of the revolution set the workers movement decades back.
OP hasn't read a single book quoted or implied in his pic
let the implications sink in
Was the Bolshevik party supposed to step down from power when the Germans workers lost in 1918? We didn’t have the precedent of a revolutionary regime voluntarily giving up power until the FSLN did it in the 90s to end the contra war.
>>2527561Books are for bitches, reality is there in front of your eyes, not between lines
>>2527561I am sure OP would change his mind if only he learned of such novel concepts like "socialist accumulation".
>>2527561I read both works of the younger Stalin and read critiques of the older works. Which is more than anything you've read in your life.
Try again
>>2527562The material conditions forcing Stalin to murder every last communist in the USSR and declare the final victory of socialism
>>2527571Reading is gay and liberal
stalin was a subhuman but this is a psyop thread so saged
>>2527575found the trotnimal
>>2527555>global revolution didnt happen so just commit suicide, socialism is doomed>decolonization? the decades where hundreds of millions of lives improved? who cares, ussr wasnt pure because the capitalist didnt just roll up and die immediatelyand I thought I had seen all the retarded shit ultras spouts
>>2527586'Decolonization' is historically progressive because it often entails bourgeois revolutions in feudal societies kept backwards by colonial powers. It's not socialism and would've happened regardless.
>socialism is when good thingYeah ok Hitler
>>2527596Without the Soviet Union there is no AK47, without the AK47 there is no decolonization
>>2527600decolonize deez nuts lmfao gottem
>>2527555>The Russian revolution lost because it failed to become international. Stalin had little to no role to play in that. In fact our only contention with Stalin is much less dramatic, it's simply his opportunist decision to not recognize the defeat of the revolution and instead to parade its corpse in order to maintain yet another capitalist state. His and others desecration of the revolution set the workers movement decades back.I don't think that is the greatest failing.
>Be Stalin>Purge everyone>The guy you pass the torch to you immediately denounces you as a lying paranoid schizo scumbagBrooooo. What was the point of the purges? Lol. Complete and utter failure. I don't think the answer is:
>If only he purged one more person(Kruschev)! Everything would've been different. The next guy in line would've probably done the same shit. Just utter failure. Even imagining Stalin was the perfect Great Man, that he had no realistic succession plan that would produce the next Stalin, probably should've handed the reins to them while he was still living to give them some supervised time before transferring them full leadership by shaking this mortal coil, is an utter failure. That's why even hypothetically imagining the hypothetical perfect great man leader, the model is doomed to failure.
hmm well how about no they dont
>>2527563books are byproducts of reality and you shouldn't quote what you haven't read and then shrug when people point that out
>>2527555Anticommunists have a tendency for projecting their great man idealism and assume Marxist critique of their cult is based on support of Stalin the man.
thinking that socialism-in-one-country = against internationalism is retarded
do better, OP
>>2527611would have, could have, should have
>>2527700yeah well youre a double liberal
>>2527561Good, Stalin is reactionary garbage.
>>2527555Why didn't you put any passages from the later article in your meme?
>On the Final Victory of Socialism in the USSR>We have already solved the first problem, for our bourgeoisie has already been liquidated and Socialism has already been built in the main. This is what we call the victory of Socialism, or, to be more exact, the victory of Socialist Construction in one country.>We could say that this victory is final if our country were situated on an island and if it were not surrounded by numerous capitalist countries.>But as we are not living on an island but "in a system of States," a considerable number of which are hostile to the land of Socialism and create the danger of intervention and restoration, we say openly and honestly that the victory of Socialism in our country is not yet final.>The international proletarian ties between the working class of the U.S.S.R. and the working class in bourgeois countries must be increased and strengthened; the political assistance of the working class in the bourgeois countries for the working class of our country must be organized in the event of a military attack on our country; and also every assistance of the working class of our country for the working class in bourgeois countries must be organized; our Red Army, Red Navy, Red Air Fleet, and the Chemical and Air Defence Society must be increased and strengthened to the utmost.>I would like unpleasant things like capitalist encirclement, the danger of military attack, the danger of the restoration of capitalism, etc., to be things of the past. Unfortunately, however, these unpleasant things still exist. >>2527741>This is what we call the victory of Socialism, or, to be more exact, the victory of Socialist Construction in one country.tldr
>>2527742enjoy the ban
>>2527742
China has overcome authoritarianism
>>2527743China and Russia were ruled by emperors and kings and tsars for centuries and centuries, civilizations don't just change overnight just because they read a book by some German prick.
>declare you have achieved socialism in one country
>you are surrounded by capitalist states that you have to trade with in order to survive
>enter socialist commodity production
>be content with being another capitalist power but red
>eventually abandon the red
whoaoa if only socialism wasn't capitalism in one country… imagine if it was international or something perhaps then the USSR wouldn't be encircled
>>2527746Yeah not like those other countries that weren't ruled by emperors and kings. Countries like uhhhhh…..
>>2527751It's almost as if no country has truly overcome authoritarianism and reality does not align with the predictions of 1800s philosophers.
Westoids must die
>>2527753Being concerned with authoritarianism is just lib shit, I might as well be talking to Hillary Clinton. Marx and Engels did not make predictions, they were not Nostradamus. They analyzed and described an objective process
>>2527759They were teleologists.
>>2527759Marx was perfectly willing to write about India and China entirely based in vibes, he was never there
>>2527748Idealism is when Marxism
Materialism is when ten million years of commodity production (building productive forces)
>>2527764Marx denounced “Marxism” and for good reason
>>2527758I (OP) am Indian but I agree you should die
>>2527766You’re a spiritual westoid, either help Kerela nuke uttar pradesh or shut up
>>2527765Marx denounced his own thoughts? Or a bastardization of it like "marxism"-"leninism"
>>2527765Nice semantics btw
>>2527768“Marxism” is French nonsense
>>2527767You're not the first liberal to rob me of my browness
It's more common than you think
>>2527773Yes yes Jai Sri Ram, kill the muslim kill the chai knee
Marx and Engels, and Western thought in general, have a very teleological linear understanding of history as the story of a class struggle with an inevitable preordained outcome, but teleology is bullshit and history doesn't work that way. Life doesn't have a narrative arc, the world is not a story. There's no phases or transitional periods or eras, there is just life, a bunch of random cause and effect events with no purpose or definitive outcome, at least not one that we could ever comprehend.
>>2527789Nihilistic hogwash
>>2527764what do you call a capitalist society led by a dictatorship of the proletariat to differentiate it from a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie? is the problem with calling it socialism or do you think workers parties should not do revolution until the state reaches advanced capitalism?
>>2527596>>2527601>>2527611Your empires will never return haha
>>2527776SAAAAAR DONT ATTACK MODI HE IS ANTI IMPERIALIST BRICS MEMBER HE HAS 100 CHAYNA TRADE CRITICAL SAPPORT FOR SOCIALISM-HINDUSTAISM
Kill yourself timmy
>>2527931Mughal empire? Good. It kinda sucked.
>>2527796Marx thought 18th century Britain and Germany were developed enough for socialism.
You think the greatest industrial power to ever exist isn't.
You should re-evaluate your world view then kill yourself if you find nothing wrong with it
>>2527996Half of these "people" are either of a petty bourgeois background or financially incentivized to propagate this revisionist obfuscation online, just reminding you.
>>2527996>You think the greatest industrial power to ever exist isn't.The post is about the USSR under Stalin. SiOC was declared in 1924.
So the question remains: what do you call a capitalist society led by a dictatorship of the proletariat to differentiate it from a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie? is the problem with calling it socialism or do you think workers parties should not do revolution until the state reaches advanced capitalism?
in other words what specifically is the problem with socialism in one country
or do you think 1924 Russia was "advanced capitalism" with its 85% peasant population?
>>2528039Your mom on my dick
>>2528039Uhm anon, it's bad because he said so ok?? Stalin should have just admitted that socialism was impossible at the time, apologized and dissolved the soviet union. That's the true communist position clearly
>>2527764Your analysis is very far from marxism or materialism. You are an idealist through and through
b
c
>>2527555Anarkiddie/leftcom retard thinks the USSR was 'state capitalist'
Water is wet
more news at 11
>>2528089Yeah that's the post im replying to silly goose.
>>2529388Because, at least form Marxism, literacy is a prerequisite for participation.
Same cannot be said about "anarcho-"capitalism, liberalism, conservatism, fascism…
>was the Bolshevik party supposed to step down from power when the Germans workers lost in 1918?
Yes. Let the capitalist industralization be led by self-identified liberals to not soil the name of communists for 100 years. Even the libs understood that when they fought against absolutism in 19th century Europe, all or nothing.
>>2529429the anti ussr ultra just casually admitting to being a complete moron
>>2529443A regular Tuesday on leftypol
The USSR fell because the party chose to amplify itself above the proletarian masses(non socialist) and dissolve itself against the will of the latter. A people’s government by necessity can not act against the will of the general masses. The reality is the idea of the communist bloc has been proven faulty. Both revolutions in china and russia were overthrown fairly quickly. An international proletarian movement is not maintained with big countries who ultimately have to give in to the interests of imperialist global trade systems. Like stalin even said himself an international proletarian movement is from the bottom up. People of the third world coming together to smash the mechanisms of imperialism themselves
>>2529428there is basically no truth in this lol, they're often just as unread and illiterate
bvmp
>>2532757>>defaults to automated text axiomatically refuted by what he is replying toactually the "automated" (past post someone made) text refutes OP and not the other way around
>>2527555Yeltsinoids and Putinoids seethe about GM and call it reactionary and Nietzschean and deboonked or whatever, but it's undeniably true that the glory of a country can be held back by the weak decisions of one man.
You have only to compare the execution of the Great Patriotic War a world away from the homeland with that of the Donbass "Special Military Operation" right next door.
>>2535651how could great man theory be nietzschean
why cant people just read the second untimely meditation and shut the fuck up
tbh, the only time I ever hear people rubbish the great-man sentiment in connection with Stalin is when they're salty about an unfavorable comparison being drawn between the timid actions of the current boomer in the Kremlin and "what Stalin would do."
>>2535651where to even begin with this ideological slurry you've made.
>>2536009Yours is the kind of flapping-lips post one makes when one is mad about a post but has nothing cogent to counter it with. It's a rather hackneyed bluff.
>>2536007>our problem with stalin isn't his person<but have you considered that he was 'wholesome 'and not 'evil'?you sound retarded
>>2527555congratulations ultras, now socialism has no history, historical precedent, or successful examples to point to. you have struck another blow against communism. for some reason.
That Stalin had force of will and steely resolve while other leaders did not (and do not) wasn't even controversial in leftist circles until 2022.
>>2527555Trotsky literally said this. He said if you replaced him with Stalin the exact same thing would happen, with him just being the "big man" instead.
The issues of the Russian revolution stemmed from the peasantry.
>>2538255wholesome chungus stalin
Thread is living proof that Leftcoms and Trots can only cheer for ideological suicide
>>2538255Exactly. I agree that the world revolution was probably doomed when the German revolutions failed. But so what did these critics like op expect the Soviets to do? I doubt their answer would be “invent Dengism” but that is the only serious alternative that the Soviets could have taken instead of trying to build socialism in Russia while hoping for another crisis that would give the German/French/British proletariat another shot.
>>2538319Step down from power as a form of tactical retreat so you can come back later under better conditions, it’s what the Sandinistas did and it worked
>>2538329Again, it worked for FSLN
>>2538331Its not comparable at all you retarded mongrel
>>2538336Why not? The whites were every bit as savage as the contras
>>2538339>The situation in this 90s Central American banana republic smaller than most states in the Union is comparable to the 1920s Soviet Union because they both had reactionariesKill yourself
>>2538298Marxism isn't an ideology, lib.
Read The German Ideology
>>2538339but the reds won in russia. and then they had multiparty elections in the 90s and they lose. also is nicaragua communist now?
UP
>>2527596There isn't a feudal society left on Earth.
>>2556487Learn to read illiterate western faggot
Unique IPs: 50