>Europoor
It's becoming increasingly clear that the majority of proles in Europe and North America are being brainwashed by their phones into believing immigration is the biggest issue in their countries. I have largely ignored this issue, as I don't really think it matters but then, last night, there was a lumpen riot in Dublin against an IPAS centre in which a foreign national who had been denied asylum and was told to "self-deport" had apparantly raped a 10 year old girl who was under state care. I usually don't believe a lot of the lies told about "migrants" online but this case makes me feel particularly uncomfortable.
It was a clear failure from the neoliberal Irish government and it's institutions that allowed something like this to happen. Why wasn't this man deported immediately after being denied asylum? Too expensive, apparently. Why was this man allowed to be in a situation where he could sexually abuse a child? Why is this man in my country in the first place? Ofc, the Free State institutions are keeping silent on it, pissing off people even more.
So, how do leftists feel about immigration and the current asylum process? Obviously, I understand this wouldn't be an issue if western corps weren't raping the third world but I also think there is a discussion to be had. Are open borders in the current world really working? Would they work post-capitalism? How do you feel about immigration, positively or negatively?
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They were actually sephardic jews.
>>2545144
>Blame the Jew!
t. Man that supports thing he blames on jews
>>2545128>>2545103what are the sources youre interpreting?
the origin of the myth that jews controlled the slave trade reportedly comes from the nation of islam's text "The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews" (1990), with some infographics also using elizabeth donnan's work "Documents Illustrative of the History of the Slave Trade to America" (1935) to trace the genaeology of slave ship owners (reportedly, 78% of which were owned by jews, but this can nowhere be confirmed). the ships owned by jews included in reports are Abigail (Aaron Lopez, Moses Levy, and Jacob Franks), Crown (Isaac Levy and Nathan Simpson), and Nassau (Moses Levy). this doesnt appear to have any novel monopoly over trade however. of reports i can confirm, there is this:
>Dutch Orthodox Rabbi Lody van de Kamp wrote a book about Dutch Jewish complicity in the transatlantic slave trade. He talks about the Jodensavanne (“Jewish Savannah”), an agricultural community with 40 Jewish-owned plantations with at least 5,000 enslaved people in a part of former Dutch Guyana. Seymour Drescher, a historian at the University of Pittsburgh states that Dutch Jews may have accounted for the resale of at least 15,000 enslaved people on the Caribbean island of Curacao. According to Drescher, there was a time when Jewish people controlled about 17 percent of the Caribbean trade in Dutch colonies.https://jewishmuseum.org.uk/2019/12/03/memento-mori-and-the-dutch-and-jewish-involvement-in-transatlantic-slavery/and this:
<Jacob Rader Marcus, a historian and Reform rabbi, wrote in his four-volume history of Americans Jews that over 75 percent of Jewish families in Charleston, South Carolina; Richmond, Virginia; and Savannah, Georgia, owned slaves, and nearly 40 percent of Jewish households across the country did. The Jewish population in these cities was quite small, however, so the total number of slaves they owned represented just a small fraction of the total slave population; Eli Faber, a historian at New York City’s John Jay College reported that in 1790, Charleston’s Jews owned a total of 93 slaves, and that “perhaps six Jewish families” lived in Savannah in 1771.https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/jews-and-the-african-slave-trade/>>2545144
Wdym, I'm Ashkenazi
its never wise to fall for the bait:
>During the years encompassed by 1753, when Jacob Rodrigues Rivera first entered the slave trade to Africa, and 1774, when Aaron Lopez conducted his last venture, voyages from Rhode Island to Africa totaled 347. The twenty-seven launched by Newport’s Jewish merchants during the twenty years in which they participated in the African slave trade therefore comprised 7.7 percent of the colony’s efforts in that period. The number of slaves known to have been transported from the coast of Africa by Rhode Island slave vessels between 1753 and 1774 was 16,043, in 145 of the 347 voyages conducted during those years.31Of the 145 vessels, 135, or 93.1 percent, were owned by non-Jews; they carried 14,643 slaves, or 91.2 percent of the entire 16,043 […] To Aaron Lopez, the merchant in the Jewish community who was the most frequently involved, the African slave trade represented a small part of his commercial activity […] In all, Lopez’s twenty-one slaving ventures to Africa over the course of his commercial career represented approximately 10 percent of his trading expeditions
<eli faber - jews, slaves and the slave trade (pp.137-8)
>>2545164Why are jews so powerful?
>>2545144
> cattle
Goy is not translated as cattle btw
> What do we do about immigration?
We kill all the billionaires. Literally the same solution for any problem under capitalism. The only reason mass immigration exists is because the west keeps the global south in a state of perpetual poverty, and this is done at the behest of said billionaires.
>>2545191where did you find this picture of me
>>2545164Why do you support the things you blame on jews tho?
>>2545621Why do you think anti-immigration people want black slaves?
>>2546019Ask your ancestor’s corpse
>>2546128You're an idiot, stop worshipping blacks
Who cares what the proles and lumpens of Westoid world think, they're all obese autistic gay incels and 55 years old on average. Let them die or kill them, then replace them with more immigrants.
Westoids should take in half of the world's population for the next few centuries for what they did.
More immigrants, asylum seekers and refugees for the West. Until pigskins befome <5% of population.
>>2542698makes sense, only a far-rightist would be dumb enough think he was talking to the neoliberal leaders of the EU on this communist chan board
>>2546438Why do you blame Jews for things you agree with and support?
>>2530926What if I am a crude Marxist and only stand to advance the historical forces? Open borders are the most effective productive model, if capitalism defines a interface of itself with mankind through a "united human coalition" exploiting it's maximum potential, then the revolution will position itself in the "uniquely distinct class".
Thus, the vanguard will be of response, and th triumph will be on totality
>>2538729Nationalism from socialism can work if it is an emergent quality of the dominant group
Even within socialism the ultimately most effective survival strategy for individuals groups is transgression, and imposition.
Thus the more dominant group will naturally assert itself within communism.
The majority should belong to the capitalist class, for when the revolution destroys them as a class they are thus destroyed biologically by the one true race.
It is the dialectical falseability of the greater classes.
It is the most broad revolution.
>>2546856POV: I do not understand how capitalism functions as a global system
>>2545087Why is it that some left wing people advocate for reverse colonialism, even despite being white? If your goal is to end subjugation then isn’t this an antithetical stance? An eye for an eye only results in people seeking more “vengeance”. If this is the case, then why is colonialism bad in the first place?
>>2530843The goal is not to have any economic immigrants because 3rd world has jobs and prosperity like rest of the world.
>>2553119Reverse colonialism would be JDPON and only some crazed maoists argue seriously for that, developped countries importing foreign proles is just that and doesn't bring back capital in any substantial way to the exporters, it's not colonization although it leads to interculturation which makes the bigots heckin mad
>>2530845>>2530843immigration is an unsolvable problem for the left. If you crack down you're seen as nativist and racist, if you open up its seen as shitting on the supply of jobs and housing for proles and makes them ally with the right.
>>2553125>The goal is not to have any economic immigrants because 3rd world has jobs and prosperity like rest of the world.there will always be PMCs who want to migrate to make $$$ on wall street
>>2553414Well surely, from a eugenicists point of view whites will be culled of low hanging fruits and the superior will survive. Only the most fit specimens will adapt to the new environment, you can even argue under threat they will adapt faster
Funny how the most racist right wing states in the euroach peninsula are all in eastern europe
See the likes of Czech Republic, Poland, Hungary, Serbia, Croatia, Bulgaria…
>to fight fascism, we must adopt fascist policies
This thread.
All of you losers will be drowned in the sea,
>>2553462>If you crack down you're seen as nativist and racistby a tiny group of hardcore real leftists will never make you win an election
with the majority you'd just win forever with left wing policies if you pretended to be anti immigration and "put the country/people" first or whatever
>>2530843We let it happen. Execute all crackkkers and have the migrants take over as reparations for colonialism
>>2553688>pretended to be anti immigration so just lie and trick the people?
>>2553693Yes. Proletarians want idpol so you have to give them it.
>>2553694Why can’t the idpol be lynching left wing opportunists that say what you’re saying tho?
We can call you commie infiltrators trying to ruin le nation or whatever the fuck and they get to have their reactionary blood sacrifice without giving up anyone worth a damn, like an immigrant prole
>>2553688>with the majority you'd just win forever with left wing policies if you pretended to be anti immigration and "put the country/people" first or whateverIf this was the case then we surely would've seen a left-wing politician do this successfully? Actually in my country, a left-wing politician succeeded by doing the opposite of that, and he's also an immigrant.
But maybe the context here is different. There's nothing about Muslim immigrants to the U.S. that suggests they won't assimilate into the society like Italian Catholics did. Also, historically, radical politics such as socialism has been more attractive in this country to people from immigrant backgrounds than the natives. Socialism was famously associated with Germans and Jews, and anarchism with Italians. It's hard to say whether there has been much of a "native" radical tradition in this country at all.
>>2554509Why would such a campaign be successful? There are no plausible anti-immigration movements or figures on the left, and the left is so lopsidedly pro-immigration that any left-wing figure against immigraton is obviously lying.
>>2543097good post. got brought here by your footnote in your other post in /political economy/ 5
>>2543097>i hope the ethos of xenia will win out and we may all be hospitable to one another, but things are forced to be different in a competitive world.in the pierce brosnan movie goldeneye we see a female soviet villain xenia onatop. she is called onatop because she likes to be onatop
>>2554509Because the public knows that everyone is bullshiting about being anti-immigration. The public has been voting in politicians who claim to be against immigration but when those come into power, they either do nothing or even increase it. It's to create a learned helplessness in the population. So an epic anti-immigration leftist is not going to make waves in this situation.
>>2530954>The focus should be on the quality of immigration with people coming to work study and build a life not just those chasing welfare gibs. I'm just a burger, so I can't really say about Europe, but no immigrants are saving up 10s of thousands of dollars to immigrate to the West, DROWNING in the Mediterranean SO THEY CAN GET CRUMBS FROM WELFARE. They're trying to get motherfucking rich. That's the most obviously bullshit right-wing argument I can think of.
I hear people complain about the high taxes and welfare state in Europe long before and outside of the current wave of immigration. If such a problem exists, that has more to do with the nature of your welfare state and not "the quality of immigration."
Jesus Christ, I google migrants Medditerranean, just to grab a picture. And apparently 42 just drowned today.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/42-migrants-presumed-dead-after-boat-capsizes-off-127446881But they're doing all that just for the SWEET SWEET GIBS!
>>2558136In many cases the families, villages, tribes etc in Africa and ME pitch to make a fund in order to send one person so they can earn, comparatively to their country and not much by european standards, a huge amount of money that they then send back. This is part of why you see young dudes in disproportion, and ironically they will often get less welfare than regular wage workers because they work all of the bullshit jobs of the gig economy that don't have the same protections if any.
>>2558186>In many cases the families, villages, tribes etc in Africa and ME pitch to make a fund in order to send one person so they can earn, comparatively to their country and not much by european standards, a huge amount of money that they then send backYeah exactly. They need to at the very least pay back all those people who chipped in to fund their voyage. But the rightoids want you to believe that these people did all that so they can come sit on their ass collecting welfare checks. No, they're trying to work as much ass possible with the opportunity to make as much money as they can.
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