Why is leftypol not throwing massive support behind Mamdani?
No one believes he’s an actual socialist, however his victory will be the most important victory of the American left of the past 90 years. Why? Because it shows the Zionist Lobby has NO POWER compared to the power of the MASSES OF PEOPLE and we can defeat the satanic Zionist entity not with a violent revolution but simply with voting. Nobody believes Mamdani is a perfect candidate but that’s not the point.
So why aren’t we backing him en masse? His inevitable win will be the biggest blow to US-Zio imperialism in modern history.
>So why aren’t we backing him en masse?
We arent a masse, there is like 100 regular posters on this site.
>Why is leftypol not throwing massive support behind Mamdani?
Lmao what? Leftypols opinions are irrelevant and dont matter or affect anything in the real world.
I hate when retards online say "i support something" as if them saying this actually matters or affects anything.
>>2539310Because electoralism doesn't matter, capitalist societies will degrade until the workers revolt, this is the process, it's unavoidable
I hope a thousand more planes crash into New York until every building is levelled.
I prefer him over platner
Who cares? He works for gentrifiers.
>>2539418
So why are billionaires against him?
>>2539418
Considering how much the establishment democrats hate him, there's got to be something to him.
>>2539310>communists need to waste their time on backing up electoralismdo you get paid to post this retardation or what
also
go to the USApol thread >>2539423It’s not about anything except stopping the Zio.
What is the mayor of new york going to do when the NYPD is loyal to Trump and the rest of the city officials are loyal to the mainline democrats?
I support Zohran wining so we can point and say "look - look at all the nothing electoralism gets you"
>>2539437props for being one of the few honest ones lol. anyway i doubt a single us mayor is going to stop the palestinian genocide
>>2539445Yeah worst we can get is nothing from him, and nothing would make an example. Win-win candidate really.
>>2539310>electoral politicslol, literally never.
Bernie's shtick stopped working because everyone knows he's a Dem bootlicker, so they rolled out this guy
>>2539474
Trump is probably gonna deport him. He's not going to be a success. They simply won't let him. We had the shot at social democracy with Sanders in 2016 and again in 2020. America's not doing that shit again.
because he is a suc dem who will ultimately disappoint. we have seen this movie before with obama
>>2539310I speak for myself but he is just male AOC.
>>2539310How many of us do you think live in New York, USA?
Retard.
i don't support him mainly because i'm canadian.
>>2539501>I speak for myself but he is just male AOC.Yeah. Very much. In fact, unlike Bernie, he explicitly identifies as a Democrat. At any rate, did you see him on this Flagrant podcast? I had never heard of this, but it's a popular bro comedy podcast. But there was this whole thing after the Democrats blew the election about "how do we reach deeeze keeeeeds" and history summoned forth this guy who does.
Leftypol has some anons with Zohran derangement syndrome. They think if Mamdani wins that will undermine their project of destroying the American empire on leftypol. Or if people vote for Mamdani that it'll steer them away from more radical alternatives. I think this is fairly delusional and childish. We're not even close to a revolutionary situation or even a pre-revolutionary or pre-pre-revolutionary situation, and a large number of his voters are just normies who like Mamdani because of his vibes, and because he can hang out, and because he's good at pushing "common sense" center-left ideas (in either 30-second Instagram or one/two-hour podcast versions) which are also popular with normies without talking down to them or making them feel stupid. And that is combining with the inevitable whipsaw tendency in American politics when voters for the party which just blows a general election gravitate towards "anti-establishment" types.
because i don't live in new york
Reminder that Entryism is actually running your own orgs and candidates and organizers into the liberal elections. Not just waiting for the liberal propaganda machine to proved you with the shittiest most obvious plants and casting a ballot. I honestly don't know how you resist feeling betrayed by Zohran or how you keep falling for whomever the Democrat PR wing elevates this week as a heel.
It was pretty much 100% over when he started backtracking on Palestine, that was the single redeeming factor other than flashy promises by a literal nobody. It was the only thing that countered what looked, like a massive Democrat (DSA) bait and switch. That he was running with an anti Zionist agenda which could not mix with the dems.
And then he dropped that.
And picked Bernie and Obama advisors.
But no, you waited until Mamdani apologized for ever hintign at anti-zionism and fully integrated into the Dem "progressives" along your favourite Zionist imperialist AOC and Bernie. And the baffling milieu of buffoons currently endorsing a literal Nazi "from the left"… which Zohran also endorses.
Then Zohran's going full liberal Zio jerking them off in Cct 7 and promising to megafund the combating of "antisemitism" and keeping Ms.ADL as his police chief…
I mean… like, when do you get off?
I mean fuck, that's like the bartender kicking you out. It's over mate, It's so fucking over.
What the fuck are you doing with your life, that got you here? Is it really important to you? Because if it is, you should see the signs of how much you are being taken advantage of.
And if *it isn't* that important, why on earth are you spending any effort in your life volunteering for this smiling pile of red flags? Leave it to the libs to canvas and volunteer their time for the next psyop in line, for self-absolution. You don't need it. You KNOW you ain't gonna get shit out of it.
"Lesser evil" or not, its out of your hands now. It's the mainstream libs and Zios who run the show now.
https://xcancel.com/zei_squirrel/status/1981198842314854439>>2539627nta but is this an American thing? I'm from a country in EU where being a volunteer for a politician rarely happens, maybe small scale local level. Not to the scale that Americans seem to summon (tens of?) thousands of volunteers for already well funded (and lobbied!) parties every presidential election, for example.
I may show, my grass-deprivation but it looks kind of cultish. Like… don't they have money, your politicians?
>>2539631i think it's just an anglosphere thing?
>>2539631Hard for me to say but I've heard it said sometimes. Mainly from Russians actually. Like I heard it said that Americans look like they're always trying to influence things in some particular direction, or they treat politics like they do a sport. One caveat though is that tens of thousands of people sounds like a lot but it's both exceptional and highly unusal for a local political campaign and it's also New York City which has a population of 8.5 million.
>>2539631It became more of a thing in the early 2000s when Obama used grassroots orgs to get elected.
>>2539310>A guy who wants to build public housing and make public transportation less shitty is the most socialist thing they're going to get, and probably not even that because he'll end up suffering electoral fraud or being murdered.Good luck to the anons living in the US, you need it.
>>2539660>It became more of a thing in the early 2000s when Obama used grassroots orgs to get elected.Ok so it's normal to do unpaid work for ultraliberal rich politicians, got it. Bizarre, to do charity for the rich and powerful.
I was quite surprised when Zohran's campaign expenses, at least some part of it I bet, like everywhere else there is a big wall of bureucracy obscuring much of the money flows. But I digress, the man apparently hit the cap of money he could spend on campaign, and had to ask people to stop donating at around $14m. (
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/05/nyregion/mamdani-donations-mayor-money.html)
And I'm looking at this stuff and man. Zohran has 14 million to spend. He can pay millions upon millions to PMC consultants and media companies
https://www.nyccfb.info/ftmsearch/Candidates/Expenditures?ec=2025&rt=can&cand=2899&stmt=&trans=FBut can't spare a single say, $600k~ payment to give every one of the 60k volunteers a thousand bucks for their efforts.
Ah but I know, He can't do that because of the tight regulations and bureaucracy with making all those people employees and whatnot. They understand, they are just doing it for the love of the game, I'm sure. And that only makes it weirder.
>rich Indian nepo baby
No.
TNBD
>>2541083>clocks generic white guy as indianI hope he wins to piss off the chvds, that's all that electoralism is useful for outside of china anyway.
I hope Mamdani loses to help discredit the Trotskyite approach. Why bother with rigged elections?
Is 22ml like a lot nowadays?
>>2541097He's guaranteed to win. He's polling at like 86%.
this is a fucking image board. support? what are you talking about? what the fuck do you want?
>>2539310The leftypol twitter page is throwing their massive support behind him. They made many posts for the cause and some of those got as much as hundreds of likes.
Who cares about some minor dem soc politician in New York? All I'm interested in in his regard is seeing pictures of his hot wife, but that's it. I wish I could forget everything I know about new york and everyone that lives there. Grand Central station? Central Park? 5th Avenue? Mamdani? Why do I know all these unnecessary and irrelevant things?
>>25393101. Elections change nothing.
2. Hes a liberal.
3. Only cares about idpol issues.
4. I personally dont care about idpol so much.
>>2539310Because Mamdani isn’t a socialist and is already very likely to win?
>>2541178Palestine is “idpol”?
>>>/USApol/
You can't be a socalist on a city level. Plus he's a democrat. Plus he's soft. Plus he's shilled by MSM.
>>2539310>No one believes he’s an actual socialistYou answered your own question. Don't care about the rest of the revisionist drivel, I'll exploit his popularity to try to spread class consciousness but he's a social fascist. I'm not going to support a social fascist. You shouldn't support a social fascist. forming a coalition with the enemy won't help them, it will hurt you. Pretending that you're building a mass base while literally having no vanguard is asinine and you're being used again you fucking opportunist.
>Why is leftypol not throwing massive support behind Mamdani?
do you think the guy needs leftypol's support?
only 22 million from 26 billionaires? usa politics is so cheap bruh
>>2542081aren't that limited to donations directly to the campaign? superpacs don't have any limit last time I checked
>>2539310We supposed comrade sliwa here sir
Imagine if he loses.
He’s going to win 60% of the vote tomorrow.
Screenshot this.
He won. Why isn’t leftypol celebrating?
>>2549798He’s still a succdem
>>2549798>>2549798The majority of users here are /pol/ larpers looking to get a reaction for their friends on 4chinz
>>2539445>I support Zohran wining so we can point and say "look - look at all the nothing electoralism gets you"At this point I think that's a lot more likely to result in apathy than anything else. The left needs to actually start racking up wins if a real worker's movement is ever going to materialize.
>>2549798I'm somewhat happy he won but I also don't really have anything past boilerplate to say about it. Just repeating the boilerplate is equivalent to not saying anything.
>>2539310This is huge for the left, socialists actually winning in the US is ground breaking.
Mamdani killed Rosa Luxemburg
>>2549818IM DRUNK AND FEELING JOY FOR THE FIRST TIME IN YEARS. LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>2549798Half people holding their breath and optimism after all the past experiences of getting burnt from voting. Bernie losing, Fetterman backstabbing, vote blue no matter who doing what it does(which the DNC abandons the minute socdem or leftist is chosen, as we saw with the Cuomo shit). Tired and battered
The other half are /pol/yps or "leftists" who probably think Tucker Carlson is a true leftist but will scream whenever there's someone even remotely a foot leftward of the overton window. MAGA communist COINTELPRO shit and people spouting every argument that they never use against right wing candidates
I'm glad he won though, but I seriously think Trump or his cult will try to do something fucky(you're against the working class if you don't worship trump btw)
>>2549912I have work tomorrow so I can't drink so drink for me too
I'm happy
>>2539485>BRO HE'S JUST AN ESTABLISHMENT DEMOCRAT SHILL FORGET THE FUCKING MILLIONS THE DNC AND BILLIONAIRES POURED INTO STOPPING HIM BRO kill yourselves, nothing is good enough for you cucks
your option is literally doing nothing and forming your own dead end cirlcejerks
Isn't Mrs. Mamdani an anti-Assad Syrian?
I don't care if Mamdani is a bit of a lib. He's the best candidate that could come out of an American lib election, or close to it.
>>2550024>The other half are /pol/yps or "leftists" who probably think Tucker Carlson is a true leftist but will scream whenever there's someone even remotely a foot leftward of the overton window.Tucker has the correct views on anti-imperialism.
Mamdani's views are just those of AOC.
>>2550088>Tucker has the correct views on anti-imperialism.YEAH LIKE WHEN HE WANTED TO REIMPOSE THE MONROE DOCTRINE BACK WHEN LULA WON AND MET WITH XI SO FUCKING LEFTIST I LOVE IT WHEN HE SAID WE NEED SHIPS CIRCLING BRAZIL IN CASE THEY BECAME CLOSE TO CHINAAAAAAAAA
FUCK FUCK FUCK I LOVE BEING A NEOCONSERVATIVE I LOVE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY I LOVE NICK "LITTLE GAY KID" FUENTES I LOVE HERITAGE
YOU LITTLE FUCKING SUBHUMANS SUCK OFF A LITERAL CROTCHSPAWN OF A CIA AGENT FOUNDER OF VOICE OF AMERICA AND A FAILED CIA AGENT HIMSELF WHILE GETTING MAD AT PEOPLE MAMDANI OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH MY FUCKING GOD I'M GONNA KILL YOU
>>2550088tailism for rightists will just have them eat your face as well, retard. long live the socdem mamdani who works in spite of himself to create the conditions of the proletarian world revolution
>>2550091Tucker wants to cut all ties with Isn'treal and renew America's relations with Russia. That's objectively the right positions that Mamdani doesn't have. Mamdani has Zios working for him too.
>>2550091>HERITAGE HERITAGE FOUNDATIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON
SUCK OFF EVERY FUCKING RIGHT WING THIEL FUNDED THINK TANK GROOMED WELL ORCHESTRATED WHITE SUPREMACIST REACTIONARY
BUT GOD FORBID A FUCKIGN SOCDEM DOES ANYTHIGN THAT'S THE REAL FASCISMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA >>2550095>Tucker wants to cut all ties with Isn'treal==OH MY GOD THE NEOCON VAGUELY SIGNALS TO A VAGUE ANTIZIONIST POSTION OMG I'M CREAMING MY PANTS OH MY GOD THE BEAR IS ON A UNICYCLE NO IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THE BEAR IS GOOD AT IT OR NOT, JUST THAT IT'S DOING IT AT ALL
I'M RAPING YOUR THROAT YOU STUPID FUCKING WORTHLESS COINTELPRO FUCKING TAILIST
FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGOT DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE I'M GONNA KILL YOU I'M GONNA KILL WHOEVER FUNDS YOU I HATE YOU YOU PEOPLE YOU FUCKING SUBHUMANS ARE LITERALLY AS BAD AS EVERY FUCKING NEONAZI ON /POL/ FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK >>2550098Tucker isn't a neocon. He's anti-neocon.
>>2550092>tailism for rightists will just have them eat your face as well, retard.It's almost like he's a right winger who just hates the "gay" "idpol"(brown) shit of the left, calls them astroturfed because of le soros or some shit, and then supports a fucking ex Fox News associate that was fucking born into a CIA-tv dinner heiress family and got the heritage foundation to kneel to him, that type of a fucking INSECT
He's willing to support that because for whatever reason, the white supremacist fascist death camp military prison industrial complex won't touch him, or he thinks it won't
These people are not honest, these people are shills, the Jackson Hinkle types, lower than bugs
>>2550099tailist scum, FUCK YOU
>>2550102they are human cockroaches, they never shut up, they keep multiplying, and they're a drain on the morale of everyone who isn't a neo-nazi conservative cock licker,
>>2550099You
*stabs you*
people *stabs you again* said this about *slices your throat* Trump *pokes your eyes out* ten years ago *cuts your head off* and five years ago *wet willy* and last year *kicks your head like the taliban kicking dead us soldier heads(people tucker called monkeys)*
>>2550105Trump was always a Zionist puppet. No one believed Trump was anti-imperialist, only that he was far less imperialist than his opponents.
>>2550103This place is infested with these little fucking slugs and I really do wonder who genuinely falls for this shit where the neonazi adjacent people are somehow seen as the most leftist
baby leftists probably,which is concerning, but I doubt they come here
What will they do when Trump cuts off funding? Threatens to deport Mamdani who is a naturalized citizen? Send in troops to NYC like he has done to other cities? Send in ICE to the city with the most immigrants? Throws people into gitmo for being immigrants? What will they do? NOTHIGN. THIS CUNT WILL STAY QUIET, OR EVEN CHEER,
CUZ THAT'S WHO HE'S SIDING WITHhurr duuur immigrants le fucking scabs huuuuuuuuuuuuuuurr imma side with the people who hate children of immigrant DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURR I LOVE GITMO I LOVE FASCIST BANANA REPUBLICS LIKE EL SALVADOR DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUR
>>2550024>>2550030It's important to have maximalist demands. "Nothing is ever good enough" is the correct position. It's why we have maximalist demands when it comes to Palestine and other issues.
>>2550123Trump won't deport Mamdani. He's married to a US-born citizen.
>>2550124>It's important to have maximalist demands."AND THAT'S WHY I LOVE REPUBLICANS WHO ARE BARELY DISCONNECTED FROM GEORGE BUSH"
HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUR KILL IMMIGRANTS DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUR>>2550126>WTF THAT'S ILLEGAL TRUMP WOULD NEVER BREAK THE LAW DOESN'T HE KNOW THAT'S ILLEGAL HAHA STUPID LIBTARD HAHAHA YOU ACT LIKE HE'S IGNORED SUPRE COURT ORDERS HAHA TRUMP JUST WANTS TO DEPORT THE CRIMINALS I MEAN TRUMP JUST WANTS TO DEPORT ALL THE ILLEGALS I MEAN TRUMP JUST WANTS TO DEPORT ALL THE IMMIGRANTS I MEAN TRUMP WANTS TO DEPORT ALL THE "HOMEGROWNS"YOU ARE DEMOCRATSYOU ARE DEMOCRATSYOU ARE DEMOCRATSYOU ARE DEMOCRATSYOU ARE DEMOCRATSYOU HAVE DNC BRAINYOU HAVE DNC CONSULTANT BRAINYOU ARE CONTROLLED OPPOSITION Realistically, what can Mamdani do?
>>2550143All of his proposals are possible but most of them besides freezing the rent will require some external aid (local or state) to accomplish
>>2550156Can he do anything to help Palestine?
How is Mamdani defeating the billionaires and Zionists not bigger news?
>>2539310This shit should have been deleted and merged into USApol a week ago.
trump is actually a anarchist accelerating the collapse of the american state and mamdani is a leftcom bordgist
>this is a big win for da Left(tm)!!!!!!!!
For Americans, the rest of the world doesn't exist (and New Yorkers are even worse at this).
>>2550184Because he didn’t?
>>2550174He can shut down the synagogues that support Zionism, yes.
>>2550184Hoping the stupidly wealthy politician does a heckin socialism!! Any day!
>>2550088>Tucker has the correct views on anti-imperialism.>>2550099>Tucker isn't a neocon. He's anti-neocon.< Tucker Carlson's father, Richard Warner Carlson, was the director of Voice of America, not the CIA, from 1986 to 1991, but he did have dealings with the intelligence community. Tucker Carlson has stated that his father worked in conjunction with the CIA during his time at Voice of America, which operated during the Cold War, a time when foreign intelligence services targeted media networks like Voice of America. While there is no public evidence Richard Warner Carlson was a CIA agent, the association with a U.S. intelligence network has led to speculation about his role. the ACP who empathize with him because they are also satanic liberals who glow in the dark from their demonic energy
>>2550184He didn't but leftypol pretending said people don't have a violent hatred for this man is also delusional
>>2550405>satanic>demonicThe ACP are a bunch of idiots who are piss easy to criticize and you choose the most retarded possible way to do it?
>>2550411Because this shithole instead of communists has only anti-anti-communists incapable of critical reasoning.
>pretending said people don't have a violent hatred for this man is also delusionalNobody ever. The haute bourgeois being at odds with the petit-bourgeois and viceversa is nothing new.
>>253931026 billionaires and they only came up with $22 million? Guess they don't care that much
>>2550425i think new york has some financing limits?
>>2550416>The ACP are a bunch of idiots who are piss easy to criticize<The Jakarta Method: Washington's Anticommunist Crusade and the Mass Murder Program that Shaped Our World is a 2020 political history book by American journalist and author Vincent Bevins. It concerns U.S. government support for and complicity in anti-communist mass killings around the world and their aggregate consequences from the Cold War until the present era. The title is a reference to Indonesian mass killings of 1965–66, during which an estimated one million people were killed in an effort to destroy the political left and movements for government reform in the country. noooo you're crazy and irrational for calling my fellow class of pseudo-intellectual armchair pundits 'monsters'! ACTUALLY there's no such thing as ontological evil, liberals are merely ignorant fools who haven't read my Substack criticisms that debunk them 🤡
>>2550456why is jackson like this? genuinely?
>>2550466Grown in a basement vat in Alexandria, VA.
>>2550447You must be more retarded than I thought if you think my post is an endorsement of the fucking ACP, lmfao.
>ontological evilRetarded and a pseud.
>>2550456>"Anti electoralism" uyghasWhat the fuck is anti-electoral about the ACP, a group actively participating in parliamentarism. Man everyone here is
seriously mentally retarded >>2550416>The ACP are a bunch of idiots who are piss easy to criticize and you choose the most retarded possible way to do it?His criticism and real point of his post is right there, calling them demonic is just insults, are you gonna wring your hands when people call each other faggots at the end of their posts?
>>2550483Criticizing the ACP for endorsing this or that politician kind of doesn't hit as much when every dumbass Amerilard here is endorsing the social-democrat in OP with a social program that can only hinder communist struggle, lol.
>>2550466These type of guys either negatively polarize themselves so much against "woke"(aka culture war slop manufactured by think tanks and oil oligarchs for white boomers yet they willingly engage with) to the point of literally just siding with reactionaries who even have less in common with them(nominally speaking at least)
That or they're another one in a long list of paid psyops and wreckers
They cheer on reactionaries for even saying 1/10th of what leftists say or even do
>>2550489>that can only hinder communist struggleWhat the fuck are you doing then faggot? What revolutionary struggle are you engage in?
>>2550489Nobody believes Mamdani is an actual communist. We’re celebrating because it shows we can win over the billionaires, bankers and Zios without a full-blown revolution.
>>2550456>second picthat's a pretty fucking wild gun design
>>2550174He can shut down 770 Eastern Parkway in Crown Heights, which is the headquarters of Chabad-Lubavitcher, the biggest religious Zionist organization in the world. These monsters have billions of dollars and routinely threaten pro-Palestine activists. Mamdani could forcefully remove their org from the city which he should do.
They also perform metzitzah b’peh on babies.
>>2550732so some Indian Muslim will stop tunnel pedo Jews and not God emperor Trump…what a retarded timeline
>>2550732He can’t shut religious institutions down.
>>2550515We won't. Every action Mamdani does will be challenged in the courts, and pork flight will damage or even devastate NYC 's competitiveness.
What Mamdani achieves is sabotage in the Imperial core. If Mamdani actually helps set up a thriving socialist movement ready for Trotskyite revolution, great. But the median expectation is that he causes a lot of heat and fire disrupting the arch capitalist city and country.
>>2550905>Trotskyite revolutionanon I
>>2550905This is one of the most retarded reasons I've seen for celebrating some affluent bourgeois liberal and praise him as putting forward working class demands when he clearly isn't.
>set up a thriving socialist movement ready for Trotskyite revolutionLmao, what.
Because after Bernie Sanders, AOC, Syriza, Podemos, Lula, etc, etc, I know better.
But specifically about Mamdani, he took into his team the same dnc shills that shanked Bernie, among other things. Saying a few nice sounding things isn't gonna cut it.
>>2550975The most Mamdani will do is establish a string of community fridges.
>>2550975none of those are communists. the problem is that you people expect socdems to be communists when they clearly arent, if you saw them as socdems that are limited by their conditions you wouldnt be "disappointed"
>>2551096Yeah Mamdani isn’t a communist either.
>>2551096Tell that to Jacobin and Slavoj Zizek.
>>2550905>and pork flight will damage or even devastate NYC 's competitiveness.Why are their fox news believers here
>Porkies might retaliate so do nothing!????
porkies do pork shit and it's mamdani's fault?
Do I need to rape Hinkle harder to make you make sense? At least say "kill porky" or some shit because the only shit I'm hearing impied here is do nothing or else proky will be mad
>>2551096>the problem is that you people expect socdems to be communistsNo one does this outside of dumb memes
>>2551283what's the context
FAGGOT >>2551283>NerdeenShe's an idiot.
>>2551291Take that anprimm flag off if you even have to ask this.
vgh I was all in for zorro mmomydommy until he SOLD OUT and condemened "KILL ALL UYGHURrussian saboteurS" written on a child's face comrades
There's only one solution: comrades in NYC must stage a Kronstadt moment the day after Mamdani takes power.
I don't care what you do but it has to be massive. Stage a mass protest for Gaza and/or Sudan. Wreck shit. March through the financial district in Manhattan. Just make it wild and see how Mr. Mayor reacts.
>>2550937I'm saying left accelerationism, because Mamdani is likely to fail. Maximize damage to AmeriKKKa in the process and protect the real movement.
>>2551088>H-m-sWhat the fuck is this
>>2551338leninist rxn to kronstadt was a betrayal of socialism so not best example but point takn but how could ppl stage something so big
>>2551390the kronstadt mutiny was organized by whites, financed by french and english imperialists, and was petty-bourgeois anarchist, thus a betrayal of worker-peasant bolshevism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnUNrTX8YCohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpKZRuoyJT0 >>2551429Itll work this time because the economic calculstion problem was solved in the 80s quit being such pansies
>>2551404Amazing, nearly everything you've said is completely bullshit. The Kronstadt soldiers were loyal to socialism and simply want to create a better world without unilateral tyranny by self-assured Leninists who already had a track record of suppressing dissent and crushing opposition. You making excuses for their betrayal is telling.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/mett/1938/kronstadt.htm >>2551450Why would Hizb care about the mayor of NYC?
>>2551470Shit, forgor flag. It's been a while, Leftypol
Mamdani is only slightly to the left of Obama when Obomber was elected in 2008.
This is just another Syriza/Podemos red herring.
>>2551137Has Zizek said anything about Mamdani yet?
>>2551470Is there anyone alive that this contrarian likes?
>>2551497Have you considered
kys?
>>2551338Mamdani controls one of the largest terror forces in the world, the NYPD. If they’re going to protest do it as soon as he comes into office.
>>2551821so the real actual opposition argument is that PENSION FUNDS should go to israel? what even is america?
>>2551823Bill is a giga Zionist Jew billionaire. He spends a ton on funding Israel. He is who paid for those trucks driving around doxxing protestors and he got the Harvard president fired
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ackman#:~:text=Ackman%20has%20been%20an%20active,as%20president%20of%20Harvard%20University.
>>2551821Imagine being so delusional in thinking most of these will happen.
>>2551821Why is Palestine the only issue centred in “anti-war” activism?
Because he's brown and his name is Mamdani.
>>2551821>divest CUNYthey're going after the lolishos
People here are too cynical, yeah he isn't going to establish communism in the imperial core but anything that weakens the empire and its overall influence is a good thing, no matter how small.
>>2551821If even one of these things is true its a boon.
>>2551907It's over getchan bros
>>2551821>>2551911The DSA's take here is probably best. Present a list of demands and if some get passed then we've helped Palestine. If no demands get passed then we've discredited bourgeois democracy.
>>2551856Yeah let's not even bother and just whine on an imageboard instead
>>2551821He should simply order ICE to deport all “Israeli” citizens from NYC.
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>>2552250Jacobin, Zizek, CTH: the unholy trinity of asinine leftists.
Pol is malding over his victory hahahaha
>>2552260All this means is, Mamdani won’t need to raise taxes or ask Hochul for money because he has big investors.
>>2539310Ironically, he won nearly all of Manhattan including most of the wealthy districts.
>>2552376>>2552374Hot take, people demanding ideological purity (i.e. open endorsement of the resistance, exclusively calling for a one statr solution) from American politicans on the Palestine question aren't thinking strategically or practically. The most important shift in the situation of Palestinians that Americans can affect would be ending US military and economic support for Israel. Without it the Zionist project is not sustainable or viable, and will collapse sooner or later. If somebody like Mamdani is in support of cutting that aid, then frankly it doesn't matter much what his opinion is of Hamas. The Palestinian cause will succeed or fail based on whether Israel can be cut off from their American benefactors, not whether politicians express sympathy for Hamas.
>>2552383You will have to tell this to the Thawabet-tards.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DLV9kuJI3zJ/ >>2552385Dafuq?
No way this account isn’t satire or glowie shit.
>>2539310>No one believes he’s an actual socialist, however his victory will be the most important victory of the American left of the past 90 years.It's because leftypol is filled with anti social retards who don't understand the basic concept of being popular and getting people on your side
Mamdani is charismatic, witty, well liked by normies, is a pretty chill guy and most importantly, isn't a doomer
leftypol will shame you for these traits, because their only personality is "america bad" "why hasn't america started a revolution?
It's why you see them go full damage control trying to doompost him because they know that it's how to get people to follow you and they can't produce the same result
>>2552391>problematic>normalizeG L O W
>>2552422Oh and
>internalized X >>2539310He spreads imperialist disinformation against Cuba and Venezuela
>>2551449Watch the videos and confront actual facts.
millenial anon I beseech thee, was this kind of what the rise of Obama was like? but a random DSA guy instead of Keynesian?
>>2552493>nooo all the criticisms of the people who lived through it and all the historians who have analyzed it are all wrong only my ML youtuber is correctThat's why the sailors never actually attacked the mainland government even though if they were actually anti-socialist it was in their best interest to do so because it was the only possible way for them to not get immediately annihilated, right? Them waiting around and asking, hoping for their demands to be met can be easily ignored in favor of a simplistic "It was the Whites" narrative! So true!
https://www.marxists.org/archive/serge/1937/11/truth-kronstadt.htmhttps://www.marxists.org/history/etol/writers/macdonald/1938/04/kronstadt.htmhttps://www.marxists.org/archive/steinberg/1953/workshop/ch21.htmhttps://www.marxists.org/history/ussr/events/kronstadt/1975/lessons-kronstadt.htmhttps://www.marxists.org/history/ussr/events/kronstadt/analysis.htmhttps://files.libcom.org/files/kronstadt_1921_avrich.pdf >>2552381QRD on Indians in Uganda?
>>2552391How did Said have "internalized racism" exactly?
>>2552544We don't negoiate with terrorists
>>2539310You are actually retarded if you believe that.
1: He will throw you under the bus in a millisecond. He did so to Hasan who is way more lib than you are.
2: Democracy is a load of bullshit. Go see if voting will ever get pig cops doxxed and fired, go see if voting will ever actually lower the price of goods or protect your job/increase your pay. Violence is the only thing that works. Voting is a cope for those unable or unwilling to commit violence. Period. Yeah jail sucks. So I don't expect you to go commit violence, but that doesn't meaning voting does dick.
>>2551502here is the thing about the whole "right to exist part", he specifically said that israel has a right to exist as a multicultural state with equal rights for its citizens, this functionally stop being Israel because it stops being a colonial project with apartheid. this the same way SA stopped being the colonial project it was after the white priviledged class lost its roles. Mamdani has the correct stance.
Zohran is not gonna do shit, the only way he could help is if trump either arrest him or deports him because he is le "ebil gommie khamas muzzie" and "literally 9/11 again". If this happens to him, Americans will finally realize that they will never get their treats or social programs again and vooting is useless, so they riot in the streets or radicalize.
MAMDANI, NEW FACE OR SAME OLD ORDER?
by Pasquale Liguori
>Some maps represent not only territories, but also ideologies. The results of the New York election between Zohran Mamdani and Andrew Cuomo, published by the New York Times, are one such example.
>The blue areas, where Mamdani, elected as the new mayor of the Big Apple, won, and the yellow areas, in favor of Cuomo, do not only divide the city: they divide the very meaning of what “left” means today in the West.
>The mixed-race, precarious, and rebellious youth who have made New York the laboratory of municipal socialism are concentrated in blue: the neighborhoods of Astoria, Bushwick, Harlem, and Bed-Stuy, populated by migrants, Blacks, Latinos, students, civil servants, and platform workers.
>In yellow, the privileged city—Upper Manhattan, East Queens, the Orthodox enclaves of Brooklyn—where stability, rents, American exceptionalism, and political ties to Israel are defended.
>These are two cities, two political anthropologies, two worldviews.
>Cuomo represents the institutional liberalism that has dominated the Democratic Party for decades: civil rights, technocracy, and imperial power. Mamdani is the supposed overcoming of this, the young and socialist face of a new intersectional, pluralistic, global world alliance.
>But what is sold as a break with the past remains to be verified in practice—I don't want to be euphoric about it—and it appears to be a moral update of the empire: a multicultural and, at the same time, reassuring version of its apparatus.
>The discourse on Mamdani transforms his figure into a myth of purification: the son of the postcolonial intellectual, the Muslim who conquers the symbolic city of the West, the politician who “liberates” Jewish identity from Zionism.
>In this regard, it is necessary to pause for a moment on what the Jewish vote represents. To speak of “liberation” in a city like New York inevitably means confronting the structural intertwining of its political, financial, and cultural relations with Israel. This is not a marginal relationship, but an economic and symbolic axis that runs through universities, investment banks, foundations, lobbies, and electoral networks.
>New York, a metropolis with more than 1.5 million Jews—more than any other city in the world outside Israel—is today the reflection of a deep division within this community: on the one hand, the Orthodox and Conservative bloc, rooted in neighborhoods loyal to Israel and its security as a theological value
; on the other, a liberal-progressive bloc, where criticism of Zionism is becoming an ethical sign of a new Western humanism.
>The most credible pre-election projections suggested that 43% of New York Jews were in favor of Mamdani and, among them, a majority of young people (two out of three) were ready to vote for him.
>We are not dealing with simple political changes, but with a crisis of legitimacy for religious Zionism, which for decades has guaranteed the cohesion of Jewish-American power.
>The rise of the new mayor is seen as a liberation for American Jews, a "historic moment for Jewish identity" that is finally separating itself from the Israeli occupation.
>This is the language of repentance, of moral redemption: a new “good” Judaism, anti-Zionist but fully integrated into the liberal ethic of human rights.
>But this rhetoric is useful to the power it claims to criticize. “Good Judaism”—like the “good left”—could in fact be an excellent tonic for
the West's conscience after Gaza.
>It is the appeasement brought about by harmless self-criticism, which transforms genocide into an educational opportunity for those who watch, rather than justice for those who resist.
>Mamdani is thus elevated to the rank of a figure of collective catharsis: the Muslim ally who allows liberal Judaism to finally separate God from Netanyahu, the identity of violence.
>But this “ethical rearmament” of the diaspora is not a decolonial process.
>It is, much more likely, the continuation of Western centrality in a new form: the idea that Palestinian liberation must nevertheless come through the moral redemption of the American Jewish community.
>Palestine therefore remains an object, never a subject: a symbolic field of purification, not revolution.
>On this basis, any proclaimed “red renaissance” deserves a less naive analysis.
>And yet, the emerging narrative—particularly among Italian and European progressives, who reflexively celebrate this achievement as if it were their own renaissance—prefers enthusiasm: the dissemination of images evoking the hammer and sickle on the Manhattan skyline, editorials talking about "new urban socialism," as if a vote were enough to convert Wall Street to social justice.
>In reality, in order to run for these elections, Cipputi's costume (tn1) is not enough; rather, a multi-million-dollar apparatus is required: certified pedigree, consulting staff, donors, media, digital infrastructure, and support foundations.
>This is why, in such a context, the euphoria surrounding Mamdani as mayor, rather than heralding a revolution, risks signaling the umpteenth ability of the system to disguise itself as an alternative.
>Around Mamdani—and in Italy around his movementist epigones, the intersectionalists, the transnationals, the returning multitudes (tn2)—the language of a self-celebrated and spectacular progressivism is taking shape.
>A language that speaks of plurality, care, coalition, and “joyful resistance,” but which A language that speaks of plurality, care, coalition, and “joyful resistance,” but which does not openly confront the structure of domination: neither imperialism, nor capitalism, nor the internal colonialism
of liberal democracies.
>This spectacular-performative left needs symbolic leaders—Mamdani, Ocasio-Cortez, and, even more locally, special rapporteurs, human rights and climate influencers, preachers of a shared humanity—because it has lost the ability to think of liberation as a real conflict.
>It relies on rhetoric, on the stage, on “likes,” on “all together,” but it does not questionthe very assumptions of power that allow them to speak. Furthermore, Mamdani's past and present proposal a number of material weaknesses in the context in which it will operate.
>The newly elected mayor, it must be said, has limited legislative experience and little familiarity with the city's executive machinery. In nearly five years as a New York State Assemblyman (Albany), he has produced very few legislative interventions: a fact that raises questions about his ability to
govern one of the most complex metropolises in the world.
>His program, which is very commendable in terms of principles—for example, rent freezes, free transportation, universal childcare—requires enormous administrative capacity and fiscal power that New York does not possess on its own. Many of these levers depend on the government in Albany and
the federal government.
>To finance the promised social interventions, the city will necessarily have to resort to bond loans; but the managers of these securities remain the same large financial institutions that dominate American municipal finance. In short, it is not so unthinkable to imagine a scenario of financialized sociality: well-being as a derivative product. And behind the promise of redistributive justice, the logic of debt and compound interest would continue to operate.
>His inauguration speech on election night—strong, lucid, even radical against technocapitalism, racist regression, and the Trumpian right—does not erase the fact that his victory is, first and foremost, an image effect.
>All of this—the voting map, the Judeo-liberal rhetoric, the performative new left, a program/image with numerous promises of change—stems from the same setback: October 7.
>That day marked not only the beginning of the genocidal campaign on Gaza, but also the symbolic collapse of the West's moral monopoly.
>The Palestinian resistance, in its unyielding steadfastness, laid bare the ethical double standard on which the entire edifice of liberal law rests. And even today, much of Western “progressivism” speaks of October 7 as a moral horror, as a scandalous scandal, but does not speak of history.
>In essence, he rejects resistance in Palestine because it is “terrorism,” because it does not correspond to an idea of “acceptable liberation”: controlled, homeopathic, educational.
>Therefore symbolic, not real.
>Mamdani is therefore welcomed as a “new hope,” a means of compensating for collective anxiety, because he gives the liberal left the opportunity to be moral without being revolutionary, to be anti-Zionist without being decolonial, to be “on the right side” without getting their hands dirty. He seems to be the reincarnation of the Obama paradox: the new face that allows the old order to breathe.
>An effect of renewal in political action made possible by the fault line opened up by October 7: the geopolitical and symbolic fracture that threw global consciousness into crisis. But fault lines, if they do not result in real transformation, close again.
>And the very real risk we fear here is precisely this: that the productive power of October 7 will be neutralized by the rhetoric of moral renewal. That the wave of indignation will be absorbed by the system that generated it.
>The progressive world that proclaims itself “solidary and not complicit” today professes a sentimental decoloniality: a form of solidarity that is measured in conscience, not in position.
>However, decolonization is not a sentiment, but a practice of power, and it cannot be mediated by the moral categories of the West—neither by its guilt nor by its desire for redemption.
>The risk is that Mamdani's victory, like that of any “good ally,” will serve to reassure the empire of its ability to morally regenerate itself: the same function that Obama had.
>As long as Gaza burns, as long as October 7 remains a moral trauma and not a political event, any new left that is not radically decolonial will be nothing more than a reshaping of the order.
>But beware, the liberal system is trying to survive by turning shame into virtue, repentance into a political program. And Western progressivism, incapable of thinking about freedom outside of itself, is in search of new secular saints—figures who will allow it to overcome Gaza and still feel that it is “on the right side.”
>Zohran Mamdani, on the eve of the Democratic primary vote that nominated him as the party's official candidate for mayor, with the electoral ruse of “there will be something for everyone,” declared to CBS his proverbial anti-Zionism while recognizing Israel's right to exist: “Yes, like all nations, I believe Israel has a right to exist.”
>Here, in addition to satisfaction with the electoral success, let us give the benefit of the doubt to what will follow.
>Mamdani, to date, seems to be just that: the ethical form of privilege reinventing itself as conscience.
>His rise is significant not because it marks a victory for the left, but because it reveals the moral despair of the West, which can no longer distinguish liberation from its aesthetics.
>As long as Palestinian resistance is portrayed as a moral problem and not as a historical right, every Mamdani in the world will remain a symptom and not a solution.
>And any new left, however young and mixed-race it may be, will always remain on the side of the power it claims to defy.
<tn1 Cipputi is a comic strip character created by Italian artist Atlan who represents the metalworker, the Italian worker loyal to the (Communist) Party and the Union.
<tn2 This refers to the return to the scene of the concept of MULTITUDE, an insubstantial mixture of unorganized masses, a spineless concept used in the book published under this title by Toni Negri and Michael Hardt
<Pasquale Liguori is an Italian activist journalist also published by the New York magazine Monthly Review
>>2552921>multicultural state with equal rights for its citizens, this functionally stop being Israel because it stops being a colonial project with apartheid.That's what you call a settler colonial state after the genocide is complete.
USA is a multicultural state with on paper equal rights for its citizens. Same with australia and canada.
The rights are only on paper because the same entity that committed the genocide is the one enforcing the "rights".
>>2552982yeah.. so what? this imbalance can only be brought down by socialism. The clearest most obvious answer to the palestinian question is to bring this change forward, and therefore to end apartheid, after this to build a socialist state.
>>2552991You are very confused about what israel is. it's a genocidal settler colonial military outpost of the US. Or what is required to achieve socialism.
This is akin to suggesting that the nazi germany, after occupying eastern europe, should become a multicultural state with equal rights for all, and THEN slavs and germans can "build socialism" from within that bourgeois state (???), together.
(part of) germany did become socialist for a while, after the people they were trying to genocide fought back, won, smashed their state, and installed socialism.
>>2553008and despite of this, the country was still called Germany. what im tryng to say is that Israel if it stops the colonies simply is no longer a stettler colonial state, because well the people have lived there for so long they stop acting like colonizers. in your view the only way to achieve socialism is to put every israeli on a boat and sending them elsewhere, i believe that socialist states can however be multicultural, as they were always meant to be..
>>2553026What you're asking for is impossible though. It's the same reason the Soviet Union had to expel the Germans who had been living in Eastern Europe and the Balkans back to Germany after WW2 even if they had been living there before Nazi Germany even came into fruition. The people had become so radicalized and brainwashed into supporting their settler colonial state that them remaining there was a massive danger to everyone around them and to the new multicultural societies they lived in. You can't form a multicultural socialist state around people who have been brainwashed into believing their own superiority to that extent and the same is true with Israel.
>>2553026The piece of land that the germans invaded from was still called "germany". In eastern europe, they didn't keep the name that the nazis designated for the occupied land.
The place that the "israelis" are invading from is called new jersey. Which is also itself part of a settler colonial state that will need to be smashed and yes, renamed.
Just how the USSR was called the USSR, not "The Russian Empire (socialist)"
>>2553043>the deportations were necessarywhy? this great superiority complex brainwashing should stop functioning once we've reached a level where education is at the state it should be for a socialist state, in all honesty it seems to be you're just making excuses to expel jews rather than finding better solutions. you want me to believe there is no better way? no amount of education can stop this? it's inherent of some people? seems rather antimaterialist
>>2553008So how can Mamdani do anything about this as mayor of NYC?
>>2553060You can't reach that level of education when said people are forming werwolf units or forming Gladio terror cells with support of foreign intelligence agencies and constantly committing mass violence and attempting to ethnically cleanse people. Israelies aren't going to become supporters of a multicultural state if they lose, what you are suggesting would, ironically, end up getting almost every Jewish Israeli killed because they would never, EVER, agree to live in a multicultural state where they have to share power and would be constantly terrorizing other ethnicities or end up all dying trying to restore their settler colonial state.
>>2539314<We arent a masse, there is like 100 regular posters on this site.FPBP
>>2553092
Nice eugenics
>>2553102Not implementing eugenics on reactionoids is counter-revolutionary.
>>2553104>reactionoidswhy even do anything besides killing them
>>2553074Nothing, which begs the question of why
1) he had to comment on and then flip flop about the topic in the first place.
And why
2) did his supporters use his initial apparent anti-zionism as a selling point, and after he backpedalled, started dismissing it as irrelevant?
It's because
1) support of genocide is a non-negotiable position in american politics. Among with many other positions.
2) opposition to genocide is a negotiable position for the american voter, they are willing to drop it as long as they get their rent freezes.
1) suggests that "electoralism doesn't work", but that's only if you care about genocide
2) suggests that electoralism does work if you're a western middle class petty bourgeois pig who wants to accumulate property and live off the blood of the third world
conclusion: america is a democracy, americans support genocide, and that's why the american people deserve what's coming to them
>>2552982>That's what you call a settler colonial state after the genocide is complete.Would you say that South Africa is an example of a completed genocide then?
Mamdani will have zero issues with finance side as he won't have to manage. He is appointing linda khan for it who was the head of ftc for a bit and has populist/progressive views in finance while being very educated. This was an incredible pick and I am glad she was willing to take the job. We are good fam
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lina_Khan>>2553109>why even do anything besides killing themEugenism does just that but with a fancier word.
>>2553124Bantus have been in SA forever though. If what you're trying to imply is that they genocided the Khoi, which they factually didn't.
>>2553122yall are a bunch of retards daaamn
>>2553138just executing them outright would be faster though
>>2553124South Africa's decolonization and anti-apartheid failed, materially, factually whites still own most of the farmland and there's huge income inequality and stratification.
Stop elevating failed projects to the level of an example to follow.
>>2553142liberal psychological defense mechanism when faced with a straightforward description of objective reality without ideology and mystification.
when you simply describe things objectively without taking into account what the "intentions" and "morals" of the parties involved, liberals immediately short circuit and accuse you of insanity
Hard to lose when the other option is a corrupt, perverted wop with several SH accusations.
>>2553142I like how dumbfuck settler apologists can only answer with insults and handwaves. Are you not smart enough for a real answer? Brain to focused on coming up with more ways to murder innocent people and steal their shit?
>>2553207How can Mamdani kick all Israeli Jews out of Palestine if he’s mayor of NYC and has zero control over American foreign policy? All he can do is a few divestments here and there.
>>2553256thank you chairman maupin
>>2553140these vids are good examples of petty boorj anxiety
>>2553388Isn't she a zionist
>>2553422She's a Pakistani Muslim. I doubt it
>>2553430She's an american. A pakistani flavored american, just like iranian flavored americans, cuban flavored americans, chinese flavored americans, etc.
>>2553474libs make mamdani seem way more based than he is
>>2539310We did it reddit! We finally vooooted a slightly left leaning socdem as a mayor. 2 more weeks and we will achieve full 100% communism.
>>2553474The city taking over an apartment building isn't seizing the means of production and that was never the "quiet part."
i think the reaction to mamdani winning proves that communists are addicted to losing and thrive on complaining. any reform, any actual improvement of the world, is unacceptable - and in fact, things should only get worse. this seems to be the leninist mindset.
>>2553656Leftist (liberal) to Hitler (liberal) pipeline
>>2553944Zohran isnt a Communist so him winning means workers and peasants lose
>>2553951will things better or worse than they are now?
>>2553944Also he aint raising minimum wages until 2027 so calling him a reformist is cope and demonstration of the bankrupcy and middle class essence of the social fascist enemy.
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/11/05/zohran-mamdani-new-york-mayor-small-business-economy.html >>2553954Worse because social fascist capitalism always makes workers and peasants worse off
>>2553955>he's raising minimum wage, but he isnt a reformist and he's actually a fascist.schizophrenia. why is mamdani bad, really?
>>2553956how? you sound just like a retarded conservative bashing mamdani for no logical reason.
>>2553958Raising nominal minimum wage doesnt actually help people. Many new york mayors have raised mlnominal minimum wage like cuomo. You once again illustrate the ignorance of social democracy.
>>2553960Due to the every material law of capitalist production. Like the general law of accumulation and immiseration.
>>2553965>Raising nominal minimum wage doesnt actually help peopleraising the real wage means adjusting the nominal wage for inflation, so how is raising the nominal wage not beneficial (or why is it harmful)?
>Due to the every material law of capitalist productionso in your mind, we should abolish minimum wage laws in themselves since they must secretly be a capitalist plot to punish workers? you are just a conservative, as ive said. youre pushing for deregulation and anti-reformism.
>>2553965Low education or low skill people don't negotiate salaries and wages. They just take what offered. Making the baseline higher makes them less capable of low balling people
>>2552926This right here. Like it sickens me how if Zohran were just a guy on leftypol, people would be shitting on him for being the most generically inoffensive liberal ever. Mods would be banning him and acting like it's just so funny harhar let's all bully this guy, people would be ripping apart his bad arguments.
But because he's a politician they lick his fucking asshole and he's useless to our needs.
But they lick his asshole because he's better than they are. In an abstract and metaphysical sense, all these fucking redditors believe in a spiritual chaste where guys like Zohran can rape their kids, plunder the land, strip them of their diignity and earnings, but me and you can't say shit, because they just believe in different castes of people. That's why these fuckers deal with moderators in the first place. So I'm not calling them socdems or ultra leftists or any of that autistic shit.
They're just redditors and they need the absolute worst to happen.
>>2554019youre literally a namefag
>>2554019Zohran moderated a ton during the actual election mainly to get support from other governments to accomplish anything, not saying this is the strategy you should go for but you're being too harsh
>>2554033That's right white boy. I have a name and a face. That makes me better than you, remember that
>>2554045Maybe
More so my outrage is with his supporters, not he himself. He wouldn't exist if not for the credence reddit types give him.
I see your point too and while it's definitely not one of my values, I can appreciate how patient and kind you are. You probably don't get told it enough ironically. But you make the atmosphere warmer wherever you go and we're all luckier to have you around.
I'm not fucking with you because it actually benefits me to be wrong here. Like if Zohran playing the long game and actually gonna do a bunch of leftist troll shit as soon as he can, that'd be great. And hell he might, and these redditor types will hate him more for it. Just like they don't appreciate you or me enough, because they're sick in the head and need to be in work camps.
>>2554052i too am just believing, but i prefer believing than be a total doomer
>>2554073Lina is the link between mamdani and mainstream dems, hopefully it works out
>>2553974>>2553971I will simplify this as much as possible. Cuomo raised NYC nominal minimum wages by 66.7% over three years. Did Cuomo help workers?
>>2554046I come back after a month and you are still posting here, genuinely gives me hope for the future of this site 🥹🥹🥹
>>2553944How is his win a “victory” for the left? His politics are simply those of Obama from 2008.
>>2554133>His politics are simply those of Obama from 2008.No they are not
>>2554133this isnt true at all
The Zohran Mamdani Psyop: How The Establishment Manufactures Its Own Brand of "Radicals".
<Zohran Mamdani beat Andrew Cuomo to become NYC's Mayor. Yet Mamdani is neither the socialist the liberal left dreams of, nor the communist, Islamist, the right fears, but rather a character on stage. https://fiorellaisabel.substack.com/p/the-zohran-mamdani-psyop-how-the
>America’s Political Theater Needs Its Fake Revolutionaries, As Much As Its Fake Enemies…
>In this clip from the latest episode of Truthwire, my co-host Pasta and I discuss Zohran Mamdani’s recent victory as the new Mayor of New York City and how ten years down the line, many are still stuck in an insanity time-loop—doing the same thing and expecting different results. While Mamdani serves power, rather than change, it is the illusion of choice and progress he represents, that keeps the left docile, accepting crumbs, and polarizes and enrages the right, all the while Empire remains intact.
>Zohran Mamdani is the new character on the American political stage. To the right, he’s a radical communist jihadist, poised to impose Sharia law and turn New York into a socialist nightmare. To the left, he’s a heroic social democrat, a feel-good progressive who will champion rent control and stand up for the underpaid. Both are wrong. Both sides are not only being played, but also entirely weaponized for the purpose of stoping any sort of revolutionary or systemic change that both actually unknowingly desire, while focusing on each other instead of their common elite enemies.
>The truth, as laid bare in our dissection, is that Mamdani is neither a threat nor a savior. He is the latest carefully crafted product in a long line of political rebrands designed to 1) manage the narrative, and 2) keep the public fighting shadows instead of the system. His election is a masterclass in “divide and conquer,” a psychological operation where the real winner is the establishment that allows him to exist. At every turn he has surrounded himself not just with the likes of AOC (Alexandria Ocasio Cortez) but Elizabeth Warren, Barrack Obama, and even Alex Soros (Open Society Foundation), seedy NGO, Billionaire George Soros’ son who he has been seen parading around with.
<The Script for the Right: “Communist Jihadist”
>From the moment his name entered the race, the narrative for the right was set: Mamdani is a “communist, not a socialist—far worse.” As this triggers a predictable panic in many in conservatives in New York, threatening to sell their New York homes and pundits hyperventilate about the “end” of the city. Even Donald Trump weighed in, framing a vote for Mamdani as a waste, throwing away federal funds on a “communist.” This red-meat rhetoric is not an accident. It’s fuel for the outrage machine, designed to keep one half of the population terrified of a caricature.
<The Script for the Left: Milquetoast, Nepo-Baby, Reformer
>Meanwhile, the so-called left is fed a different fantasy. Here, Mamdani is the face of a new, principled resistance. He’s the candidate who will “live with dignity and respect,” the one who talks a good game on Palestine and economic justice (but in action caved to Zionists). This generates emotional investment from liberal millennials and yuppies desperate for a win, even if what they’re cheering for is a skewed hologram of reality.
>But as our analysis points out, this is all but an illusion. Mamdani is essentially a milquetoast, Nepo-baby, a rich kid who is as threatening as a glass of milk. He is literally a zero threat to the establishment because he’s a chosen opposition, and his carefully curated brand of dissent is not a challenge to power—it’s a pressure valve for it.
<The Unifying Truth: A Controlled Opposition Rebrand
>In cutting through the noise, we reveal the core mechanism: Mamdani’s purpose is to polarize. He keeps the right and left occupied with a fake battle over a figure which doesn’t exist, ensuring no unified movement can form against the actual root problems.
>He is not anti-establishment. His relationships with elite figures like George Soros and Barack Obama show he is a part of the very system he claims to challenge.
>He will not change U.S. imperialism. As mayor, he has no foreign policy power, and his simultaneous talk of combating “anti-Semitism,” and already caving to urging Pro Palestinian supporters to not using the word “intifada,” his wife’s pro-regime change stance in Syria, etc proves he is no genuine threat to the Zionist lobby.
>He will not deliver systemic change. Any promised reforms, like rent control, are merely tackling the side effects of a terminal disease, not the tumor itself. The structure remains intact.
>Most crucially: when he tries to play both sides, as he is already doing, trying to pacify the establishment, the majority of his policies will fail, and when they do socialism, communism, and any anti-establishment rhetoric will be blamed for it, perhaps with more strict surveillance measures and more crackdowns, bringing in a more far-right character and political climate in response. It is my belief that is the intent after all, as this is what always happens in the U.S. political sphere. every single time.
<A Depressing, Predictable Cycle—We’ve Been Here Before
>For me, watching this unfold from abroad, there’s a sense of depressing familiarity with handing out new “Fell for it again” Awards. This is the same playbook that gave us Obama and AOC—figures who were marketed as rebellion but served to co-opt energy and funnel it back into the safe confines of the two-party paradigm, in their case the failing Democratic Party.
>But the American public is addicted to the spectacle. They’d rather have “Netflix and Domino’s” and the emotional high of a scripted political drama than do the hard work of building a real movement. They want heroes to worship on TV, instead od taking action themselves. Voting is not action, but a minimal effort that has not worked to fix anything in a long, long time. The empire is crumbling, the elite are building bunkers, and the masses are still arguing over the latest reality TV star of politics.
>The Mamdani psyop works because both sides willingly play their parts. The right gets a new communist to fear; the left gets a new hero to worship. The establishment gets to keep everyone divided, distracted, disorganized and utterly powerless.
>The final, sobering conclusion is this: Stop playing the game, or the game will keep playing you. Until U.S. Americans recognize that the root problem is a complete lack of democracy and a manipulated populace, they will remain stuck in this looping theater, election after election, as the curtain falls on the empire around them. >>2554133Hell the fuck no. Also Obama ran on a national platform, not a city one.
>>2554517How is Mamdani that much different than Obomber?
>>2554550Not really leaning into being the first Muslim mayor/Black President and keep things class focused (affordability and shit)?
>>2554351>While Mamdani serves power, rather than change, it is the illusion of choice and progress he represents, that keeps the left docile, accepting crumbs, and polarizes and enrages the right, all the while Empire remains intact … In cutting through the noise, we reveal the core mechanism: Mamdani’s purpose is to polarize.I think it's actually the role of money in politics which does the most to "polarize and enrage the right," because millions of dollars were used to spread that message including insane A.I. slop ads.
>The truth, as laid bare in our dissection, is that Mamdani is neither a threat nor a savior. People don't need gods or saviors.
>For me, watching this unfold from abroadOkay great. She can stay in Russia or wherever she is now and build the "real movement" there.
>Voting is not actionWrong.
>>2554558How old are you? Because Obama based most of his campaign not on race but on healthcare and recovery from the financial collapse.
>>2550024You clearly don’t understand how the right compares to liberals. Right-wingers are far more likely to get their policies passed than leftists because right-wingers unite under their leaders more. A President Tucker could easily end US aid to Israel while a President Bernie would struggle.
Trump has largely been able to implement his policies for this reason as well while Mamdani’s agenda will barely take off IRL. In this respect, the authoritarianism of the right is objectively better.
Honestly if dershowitz actually kills himself like he said he will if mamdani wins that alone will be worth it
>>2554610That is not the campaigning material and vibe was for Obama.
>>2554610Also forgot to mention but Zohran was explicitly critical of capitalism and Democrats in a way that Obama wasn't.
>>2554700People did point out that Obama had alleged “communist” mentors though.
>>2554145How do these fuckers define what a "Zionist" is?
>>2553656Mamdani needs to ban metzitzah b'peh.
Zorhan is an imperialist capitalist, people like him should be buried alive as punishment.
this thread is the worst, i dont care if you think that every single burger on the planet is an imperialist, at least acknowledge the work has has done in propagandizing a different way of politics that isnt just bland progressivism.
>>2554895What "different way of politics" exactly? He's doing exactly what Bernie was doing 10 years ago.
>>2554558Free bus ticket isnt class based politics
>>2554895Pushing bland progressivism as though it is
socialism democratic socialism (as we all know the "horrors" of socialism and communism is to be regurgitated ad nauseum by these socdems so long as they are to remain in favor of the bourgeois establishment) does more harm to actual socialist and leftist movements. Couple this with the right-wing constantly reinforcing this lie as they wait gleefully for these socdem policies to fail (which they will due to being hamstrung by the system that the socdems work within and slavishly uphold) therefore insuring more repression to socialists.
>>2555053it clearly benefit working class a lot more than the porkie class though, so yes it kinda is
>>2555075Did the Nazi KdF program also help workers?
>>2555072Indeed. Any policy proposed by a social-fascist has been done before and finds its greatest precedent in the playbook of imperialism and fascism.
Affordability is not class politics. Affordability is class collaboration politics. When Communists speak of class politics, we speak of the revolutionary overthrow of the bourgeoisie and the elimination of the exploiting classes, not everyone a bus ticket. This class collaboration is the essence of fascist "social" politics. Hence, all social-fascist proposals have their greatest precedence in imperialism and fascism.
The "free" bus ride proposal, for instance, is reminiscent of the Nazi Kraft durch Freude (KdF) program which provided KdF-Wochenkarte" (KdF Weekly Pass) or "KdF-Arbeiterfahrkarte" (KdF Worker Travel Pass)
The state grocery market proposal is reminiscent of the Apartheid Bantu Administration stores, or any company town store, which existed but to drive down the nominal wage by subsidizing the cost of reproducing labor power, thereby ensuring a pacified and stable workforce for the capitalists.
>>2549963DeLeon proved correct.
>>2555555>>2555562I’m starting to think “Zionist” means “anyone who doesn’t want to gun down Jews in the street” to these obvious glowies.
Democrats need to win a supermajority next year during midterms so they can change the Constitution so Mamdani can be POTUS.
>>2555587Mamdani is not that brown tho, he even has pink fluffy cheeks
>>2560825He’s literally a halal Obama.
>>2560825correct take. larpers on this website really do not understand that the historical conditions that lead up to the Russian Revolution were similar attempts at moderate socialist reformism that ultimately failed and because this was organized in a big tent party during a notoriously reactionary corrupt regime in a backwards country made it possible to push the left further towards revolutionary organizing once it became clear that reformism was not even an option. you can't go from zero to revolution like people on this site seem to think but then again I get the distinct impression that most people on here were "radicalized" by ML grifters like Haz and BE
>>2560825my thoughts exactly
>>2554936This is the most heinous thing I’ve read all year.
>>2560916that's where the revolutionary communist organizing is supposed to come in, which is also the whole point of what the DSA is doing. the contradictions need to continue to sharpen while simultaneously building up the subjective forces and broader class consciousness so that when the moment inevitably comes when reformism fails, we can point to the system that makes it impossible for people to live dignified lives and thwarts even moderate attempts to do so. communists need to be prepared to seize the momentum when the time comes; moderates like Zohran should be seen as nothing more than pawns to achieve our ultimate goal of seizing the bourgeois state by force.
>>2560876I'm still cautiously optimistic, however the response is identical to the response following Obama's election.
>>2560930>the contradictions need to continue to sharpen Amerikkkans already have nationwide riots after riots and crises after crises and pogram after pogram so waiting is incorrect.
>while simultaneously building up the subjective forces and broader class consciousness so that when the moment inevitably comes when reformism fails, we can point to the system that makes it impossible for people to live dignified lives and thwarts even moderate attempts to do so. reform always fails so there is no need to wait.
>communists need to be prepared to seize the momentum when the time comes; They can just build army and do that now though
>moderates like Zohran should be seen as nothing more than pawns to achieve our ultimate goal of seizing the bourgeois state by force.The pawn uses you.
1. I am not American
2. While western left parties can learn from his campaign, he is a democrat and will throw you under the bus in favor of the landlords
>>2561146Saying euroid socdems can learn from american socdems is tragic demonstration of the bankrupcy of democrat thinking. The only lesson to be learned is that all socdems must be eliminated.
>>2555555>>2555562>>2560590They’re going after Pope Leo too.
I swear this page is a parody.
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