/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2545966
>>2545970
Venezuela isn't throwing missiles at Israel or imperiling the petrodollar, an existential threat for the USA. PSUV is either willing to play ball with a surprising amount of US interference, or powerless to stop it. Which enables a softer stance. NATO also have a lot of leverage with the humongous amount of Venezuelan migrants whose material interest now firmly aligns with NATO, where they live, but would be willing to lend legitimacy and even move back (chumps that they are) to Venezuela to prove it. And the remittances those migrants feed into the Venezuelan economy also being significant.

It was just an example though. I think the USA would not go through all this trouble if they just wanted to tear a bloody hole in the region like with Iraq and Libya. IMHO the US expects *some* "shock and awe" but then a swift collapse of the government and probably has a lot of allies ready to do the regime change.

PSUV foes not seem willing to go further than class collaborationism and Maduro probably feels that, if this crisis is surmounted, it would be license to do nothing further left again. Cementing the "frenemies" relationship with the USA at the same time that the latter becomes his forever excuse to remain in power, it's me or the gringos. IMO the last election proved how fraught control over the masses can be, not that I think the opinion of anyone who wants the USA to takeover (or their very own Milei) should be considered anyway. And that most of South America's state heads were willing to throw Maduro under the bus wrt the pretenses of liberal democracy.

Are we actually going to invade Vuvuzuela or will this be another China-Taiwan situation. Fucking insane that we will invade without a casus belli; they're not even bothering to give us some giant lie to justify the invasion

lol. love news-media.
Trump says ‘days numbered’ for Venezuela’s Maduro
President Donald Trump has sent mixed signals over the potential for a United States military intervention in Venezuela, as he dismissed talk of “war” but threatened the South American country’s leader.
During a CBS interview, released on Sunday, the president warned that President Nicholas Maduro’s days are numbered. The comment came amid a build-up of US military units in the Caribbean, where the US has conducted multiple strikes on alleged drug-trafficking vessels that UN officials and scholars say are in clear violation of US and international law.
Asked if the US was going to war against Venezuela, Trump replied: “I doubt it. I don’t think so.”
However, when asked if Maduro’s days as president were numbered, the president replied: “I would say yeah. I think so.”

Trump says he doubts US will go to war with Venezuela
Donald Trump has played down the possibility of a US war with Venezuela, but suggested Nicolás Maduro's days as the country's president were numbered.
Asked if the US was going to war against Venezuela, the US president told CBS' 60 Minutes: "I doubt it. I don't think so. But they've been treating us very badly."
For two months, the US military has been building up a force of warships, fighter jets, bombers, marines, drones and spy planes in the Caribbean Sea. It is the largest deployment there for decades.
The US continues to launch strikes on alleged drug-smuggling boats in the Caribbean. The Trump administration says the strikes are necessary to stem the flow of drugs into the US.
Trump rejected suggestions that the US action was not about stopping narcotics, but aimed at ousting Maduro, a long-time Trump opponent, saying it was about "many things".
At least 64 people have been killed by US strikes in the Caribbean and eastern Pacific since early September, CBS News - the BBC's US news partner - reports.
Speaking from his Mar-a-Lago residence in Florida, Trump said: "Every single boat that you see that's shot down kills 25,000 on drugs and destroys families all over our country."
Pushed on whether the US was planning any strikes on land, Trump refused to rule it out, saying: "I wouldn't be inclined to say that I would do that… I'm not gonna tell you what I'm gonna do with Venezuela, if I was gonna do it or if I wasn't going to do it."

>>2547595
Special Military Operation, anyone?

>>2547374
Was Pinochet democratic?

>>2547529
> Fucking insane that we will invade without a casus belli; they're not even bothering to give us some giant lie to justify the invasion
they've been pretending Maduro is Pablo Escobar for like the last 8 weeks. Been living under a rock?

>>2545529
They sincerely believe in metrics where wages are presented in exchange rate USD: they believe that Americans are actually, in real life, without a shred of doubt thousands of times richer than any person living in the Third World, based solely on wages adjusted by the currency exchange rates. All those "living under 15 USD a day" metrics are representative of their worldview, and those are the same people who sincerely believed USSR to has been "Upper Volta with missiles". Also, those are the same people who believe that China is a country of cheap labor and that China is weak, submissive and breedable, and therefore they sincerely do not understand how Trump can be losing trade wars, he must be a Chinese spy; or how Trump doesn't help Ukraine as much as Biden, how is Russia outproducing the collective West militarily, therefore Trump must be a Russian spy

>>2545252
Is Latin America getting this fascist or did they just poll the areas most likely to support the US?

>>2547632
Venezuela will be a rich,free country(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

>>2547529
they have labelled maduro the leader of a drug cartel and these operations as against narco-trafficking and terrorism. maybe it is some of the flimsiest excuse we've seen in a long time. we haven't seen trump pull out bags on fentanyl on TV in the white house saying this stuff came on a venezuelan boat. or any other type of stunts like colin powell going to the UN.

>>2548409
Honestly, how hard would it be to seize some random Venezuelan fishing boat and plant a bunch of coke on it? They aren't even putting in the bare minimum of effort.

>>2548403
It will be neither under us rule and you know it

It will be,Chile became so much wealthy after the coup,why you prefer Allende?(USER ALREADY BANNED)

>>2548607
>that lack of space after using commas
you are the same person that tried to derail the sudan thread and defend israel and the uae. mods get rid of this troll

Trump Weighs Options, and Risks, for Attacks on Venezuela
The Trump administration has developed a range of options for military action in Venezuela, including direct attacks on military units that protect President Nicolás Maduro and moves to seize control of the country’s oil fields, according to multiple U.S. officials.

President Trump has yet to make a decision about how or even whether to proceed. Officials said he was reluctant to approve operations that may place American troops at risk or could turn into an embarrassing failure. But many of his senior advisers are pressing for one of the most aggressive options: ousting Mr. Maduro from power.

Mr. Trump’s aides have asked the Justice Department for additional guidance that could provide a legal basis for any military action beyond the current campaign of striking boats that the administration says are trafficking narcotics, without providing evidence. Such guidance could include a legal rationale for targeting Mr. Maduro without creating the need for congressional authorization for the use of military force, much less a declaration of war.

While the guidance is still being drafted, some administration officials expect it will argue that Mr. Maduro and his top security officials are central figures in the Cartel de los Soles, which the administration has designated as a narco-terrorist group. The Justice Department is expected to contend that designation makes Mr. Maduro a legitimate target despite long standing American legal prohibitions on assassinating national leaders.

The Justice Department declined to comment. But the move to justify targeting Mr. Maduro would constitute another effort by the administration to stretch its legal authorities. It has already engaged in targeted killings of suspected drug smugglers who, until September, were pursued and arrested at sea rather than killed in drone strikes. Any effort to remove Mr. Maduro would place the administration under further scrutiny over whatever legal rationale it does offer, given the hazy mix of reasons it has presented so far for confronting Mr. Maduro. Among them are drug trafficking, the need for American access to oil and Mr. Trump’s claims that the Venezuelan government released prisoners into the United States.

Mr. Trump has issued a series of contradictory public messages about his intentions, and the goals and justification for any future military action. He has said in recent weeks that the attacks on speedboats in the Caribbean Sea and the Eastern Pacific that have killed at least 65 people would be expanded to land attacks. But that has not happened yet.

When asked by CBS News whether the United States is headed to war with Venezuela, Mr. Trump said on Sunday: “I doubt it. I don’t think so, but they’ve been treating us very badly, not only on drugs.” He repeated his unsupported allegation that Mr. Maduro opened his prisons and mental institutions, and sent Tren de Aragua gang members to the United States, a charge Mr. Trump has made since his campaign for the presidency last year.

Asked whether Mr. Maduro’s days as president of Venezuela were numbered, he added, “I think so, yeah.”

The support for the more aggressive options is coming from Secretary of State Marco Rubio, who is also the acting national security adviser, and Stephen Miller, Mr. Trump’s deputy chief of staff and homeland security adviser. According to several U.S. officials, they have privately said they believe Mr. Maduro should be forced out.

Mr. Trump has repeatedly expressed reservations, aides say, in part because of a fear that the operation could fail. Mr. Trump is in no rush to make a decision, and has repeatedly asked about what the United States could get in return, with a specific focus on extracting some of the value of Venezuela’s oil for the United States.

“President Trump has been clear in his message to Maduro: Stop sending drugs and criminals to our country,” Anna Kelly, a White House spokeswoman, said in a statement. “The president has made clear that he will continue to strike narcoterrorists trafficking illicit narcotics — anything else is speculation and should be treated as such.”

Mr. Trump will most likely not be forced to decide at least until the Gerald R. Ford, the United States’ largest and newest aircraft carrier, arrives in the Caribbean sometime in the middle of this month. The Ford carries about 5,000 sailors and has more than 75 attack, surveillance and support aircraft, including F/A-18 fighters.

There has been a steady buildup of U.S. troops in the region since late August. Even before the carrier arrives, there are about 10,000 American military personnel in the Caribbean, roughly half on warships and half on bases in Puerto Rico.

The Pentagon has in recent weeks also dispatched B-52 and B-1 bombers from bases in Louisiana and Texas to fly missions off the coast of Venezuela in what military officials call a show of force. B-52s can carry dozens of precision-guided bombs, and B-1s can carry up to 75,000 pounds of guided and unguided munitions, the largest nonnuclear payload of any aircraft in the Air Force arsenal.

And the Army’s elite 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment, which conducted extensive counterterrorism helicopter operations in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria, recently carried out what the Pentagon said were training exercises off the Venezuelan coast.

The military buildup has been so rapid, and so public, that it appears to be part of a psychological pressure campaign on Mr. Maduro. In fact, Mr. Trump has talked openly about his decision to issue a “finding” that permits the C.I.A. to conduct covert operations inside Venezuela — the kind of operation presidents almost never discuss in advance.

Should Mr. Trump elect to order the action inside Venezuela, it would amount to a considerable military, legal and political risk. For all the risks Mr. Trump took in authorizing the American bombing of three nuclear-related sites in Iran in June, it did not involve an effort to overthrow or replace the Iranian government.

If Mr. Trump goes that route, there is no assurance that he would succeed or that he could guarantee that a new government would arise friendlier to the United States. Aides say that far more planning has gone into striking at the Maduro government than on what it would take to govern Venezuela should the operation succeed.

And some of Mr. Trump’s most loyal political backers have been warning against striking at Mr. Maduro, reminding the president he was elected to end “forever wars,” not incite new ones.

<A Military Plan in Three Parts
Mr. Trump’s authorization for the C.I.A. to operate inside Venezuela’s borders could enable the agency to conduct a variety of activities, from information operations to building opposition to Mr. Maduro to actively sabotaging his government — and even seizing the leader himself. But national security officials say that if such operations could really pry Mr. Maduro from power, he would have been gone years ago. That is why the White House is considering military action, and the proposals on the table come in three broad varieties.

The first option would involve airstrikes against military facilities, some of which might be involved in facilitating drug trafficking, with the aim of collapsing Venezuelan military support for Mr. Maduro. If Mr. Maduro believed he was no longer protected, he might seek to flee — or, in moving around the country, make himself more vulnerable to capture, officials say. Critics of such an approach warn that it could have the opposite effect, of rallying support around the embattled leader.

A second approach envisions the United States sending Special Operations forces, such as the Army’s Delta Force or the Navy’s SEAL Team 6, to try to capture or kill Mr. Maduro. Under this option, the Trump administration would seek to sidestep prohibitions against assassinating foreign leaders by arguing that Mr. Maduro is, first and foremost, the head of a narcoterrorist gang, an extension of the arguments used to justify the U.S. airstrikes on boats the administration says are smuggling drugs.

The State Department has a $50 million reward for Mr. Maduro’s arrest or conviction — up from the $25 million offered in the last days of the Biden administration. The Trump administration may also argue that because Mr. Maduro suppressed opposition and worked to rig elections, he is not the legitimate leader of the country. The Biden administration refused to recognize him as Venezuela’s president after he declared victory last year.

A third option involves a much more complicated plan to send U.S. counterterrorism forces to seize control of airfields and at least some of Venezuela’s oil fields and infrastructure.

These last two options carry much greater risks to American commandos on the ground — not to mention civilians — especially if they were targeting Mr. Maduro in an urban setting like Caracas, the country’s capital.

Mr. Trump has been reluctant to consider attacks that could put American troops at risk. As a result, many of the plans under development employ naval drones and long-range weapons, options that may prove more viable once the Ford and other ships are in place.

<For Trump, an Oil Conundrum
Mr. Trump is deeply focused on Venezuela’s enormous oil reserves, the largest in the world. But how to deal with them — whether to cut off exports to the United States or keep them going in hopes of retaining a foothold should Mr. Maduro be ousted — is a problem that has vexed administration officials for the past 10 months.

Even as Mr. Trump doubled the bounty on Mr. Maduro and called him a narcoterrorist, he canceled, then renewed, a license for Chevron, an American oil company that is a pillar of Venezuela’s economy, to keep operating there.

Chevron’s existing license was killed in March under pressure from Mr. Rubio, and over the summer Venezuelan exports to the United States plummeted. But a new license — the details of which have been kept confidential — apparently prevents the company from sending hard currency into Venezuela’s banking system. Still, Chevron’s oil exports are providing Mr. Maduro’s economy with real support.

Chevron is a rare survivor; most American oil companies operating in the country had their assets seized or transferred to state-owned firms years ago. The company is one of the few that have figured out how to deal with both Mr. Trump and Mr. Maduro, who declared that “I want Chevron here for another 100 years.” It has hired as its lobbyist in Washington a top fund-raiser for Mr. Trump.

Mr. Maduro made a last-ditch effort over the past few months to offer Mr. Trump oil concessions, including a dominant stake in Venezuela’s oil and other mineral wealth. He dangled the possibility of opening up existing and future oil and gold projects to American companies, which would receive preferential contracts. And he said he would redirect exports that are now headed to China, and limit mining contracts with Chinese, Iranian and Russian firms.

But Mr. Trump rejected the offer in early October, and the U.S. military buildup accelerated.

Should Mr. Maduro’s government fall and be replaced by a stable leadership open to improved relations with the United States, Chevron would be best positioned for what the Trump administration believes would be a boom in investment in the country’s huge oil reserves. It is a topic that fascinates Mr. Trump, much as it did when he urged the seizing of oil fields in Syria, whose reserves are a tiny fraction of Venezuela’s.

The company is keeping its head down.

“We believe our presence continues to be a stabilizing force for the local economy, the region and U.S. energy security,” said Bill Turenne, a Chevron spokesman.

<Seeking a Legal Rationale
As Mr. Trump’s aides push for the most aggressive military option, lawyers at the Justice Department are working to develop a legal analysis to justify the full range of military options that are being developed.

White House officials have said they want an updated legal analysis before taking any additional steps, and administration lawyers told Congress last week that the president did not need congressional approval for his lethal military strikes on boats.

T. Elliot Gaiser, who leads the department’s Office of Legal Counsel, told Congress that the administration did not think the boat-strike operation rose to the kind of “hostilities” covered by a 1973 law called the War Powers Resolution, which limits the president from conducting military operations for longer than 60 days without congressional approval. But lawmakers on both sides of the aisle have raised concerns about the strikes and have demanded more information from the administration.

Perhaps the closest recent parallel to a legal justification for killing a head of state would be a legal opinion produced by the Office of Legal Counsel during Mr. Trump’s first term. It concluded that the president had authority to conduct a missile strike to kill Maj. Gen. Qassim Suleimani.

General Suleimani was Iran’s top intelligence and security commander when he was killed by a U.S. drone strike in 2020, and Mr. Trump has long viewed that killing as one of the signature successes of his first term.

In that instance, the Office of Legal Counsel concluded that the drone strike could be carried out because General Suleimani was “actively developing plans for further attacks against U.S. military personnel and diplomats,” according to a heavily redacted memo released after the strike.

“Military leaders who organize and oversee attacks against U.S. persons and interests may be legitimate military targets,” the memo said, adding that the strike was intended “to avoid civilian casualties or substantial collateral damage” and was not aimed “at imposing through military means a change in the character of a political regime.”

The memo concluded that “given the targeted scope of the mission, the available intelligence and the efforts to avoid escalation,” a drone strike against him “would not rise to the level of a war for constitutional purposes.”

>>2549506
>https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/russia-reiterates-support-for-venezuela-maduro-govt-requests-military-assistance/
monke-apology-form.webp

Russia open to sending hypersonic missiles to Venezuela
Russia could provide its most advanced hypersonic missiles to Venezuela, amid frayed relations with the United States.
The Kremlin claims the Oreshnik missile is impossible to intercept and can carry conventional and nuclear warheads.
Alexei Zhuravlyov, the deputy chairman of Russia’s parliamentary defence committee, warned that “the Americans may be in for some surprises” as he opened the door to a weapons transfer to Venezuela.
“I see no obstacles to supplying a friendly country with new developments such as the Oreshnik or, let’s say, the well-proven Kalibr missiles,” Mr Zhuravlyov told the Russian news website Gazeta.Ru.
The Oreshnik missile, translating as “hazel tree”, is capable of striking any target across the European continent in under an hour if launched from Russia or Belarus, according to Moscow.
Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, has insisted that the missiles are so mighty that using several of them in a strike with conventional warheads would be just as catastrophic as a nuclear attack.

The Oreshnik was first used in the eastern Ukrainian city of Dnipro in November 2024 in what Putin said was a reprisal to Ukraine’s use of long-range weaponry hailing from the US and UK, including Storm Shadow missiles, to hit targets inside Russia.
It is understood Nicolás Maduro, the Venezuelan president, reached out to Putin personally to plead for military assistance amid increased US military presence in the Caribbean.
Mr Maduro asked for Russia to boost air defences, including restoring Russian Sukhoi Su-30MK2 aircraft already in Venezuela’s possession and acquiring 14 sets of missiles, The Washington Post reported last week.
In a letter to the Russian president, Mr Maduro reportedly said that the Sukhoi fighters were “the most important deterrent the Venezuelan national government had when facing the threat of war”.

Caracas also reached out to China and Iran to upgrade its military capabilities and expand defensive ties, according to the paper.
The US deployment in the Caribbean Sea has been swelling for months as Washington dispatched fighter jets, warships, bombers, marines, drones and spy planes in a move that the US president claimed was necessary to sever the flow of drugs into the US.
More than a dozen US strikes on alleged drug traffickers, most of whom departed from Venezuelan shores, have killed more than 60 people since September.
On Saturday, Maria Zakharova, the Russian foreign ministry spokesman, said that Moscow condemns “the use of excessive military force in carrying out anti-drug tasks” by the US, reiterating its “firm support” for Venezuela’s leadership.

Russia and Venezuela have celebrated close ties over the past two decades and signed a strategic partnership treaty in Moscow last year.
Mr Zhuravlyov, describing Russia on Tuesday as “one of Venezuela’s key military-technical partners”, said that it “supplies the country with almost the full range of weaponry”.
On Tuesday, Putin announced that the Sarmat intercontinental heavy missile will enter Russia’s combat service from next year.
The nuclear missile, nicknamed Satan II, has been touted as the “world’s deadliest weapon”.
pdfd.

>>2551224
yeah, I'm thinking we are back

I will unironically become of a Zigger if Putin helps Maduro and Venezuela I'm not joking

>>2551238
Will you cum on Putin's photo?

>>2551238
if he sends hypersonics it would be the most based thing he has done in his cucktin life

>>2551252
I have to stop myself from making cum tributes on here all the time so maybe
god I fucking hate modern russia but they'll finally be good for something for once

>>2551224
Another fucking proxy war where the ones who most suffer will be innocent civilians. Cold war imperialism never really ended.

>>2549230
>For all the risks Mr. Trump took in authorizing the American bombing of three nuclear-related sites in Iran in June, it did not involve an effort to overthrow or replace the Iranian government.
oh, but it did. the usa and israel tried to kill khamenei and successfully killed a bunch of high ranking members of his government and military.

anyway. dare i say i think it is a good sign that trumps government feels like they need to generate a legal justification for going into venezuela. probably means there is big capital in the USA that has interests that would be hurt by intervention in the country, and they're raising a stink about it in the white house.

>>2551282
>nooo you cant help a socialist leaning government with nationalized oil stand up to the americans who want to bully and plunder them, that would be proxy war!
fuck off, if anything giving them some good missiles might deter the burgerreich

>Venezuelan President Maduro is ready to step down, and willing to accept a negotiated exit from power if the US guarantees him amnesty, removes the rewards for his capture, and ensures him a comfortable exile - The Atlantic reports.
>The report, citing a close source to Maduro, says "if the US puts everything on the table, everything is also on the table with Maduro," and will step down from power.
Succdemms, everyone

>>2552662
post the source please

>>2552436
yeah this, I dont know how could anyone see this as a bad thing unless you are nafoid with monke derangement syndrome

>>2552436
Because it would take a lot more than "some good missiles" to deter an American strike force if they really wanted to topple the government. Yes they might inflict some casualties, but the repercussions inflicted upon them (read: their civilians) would be far worse because of it. Russia doesn't give a shit this because they don't care how many Venezuelans suffer and die since they're not doing this out of the kindness of their hearts, only because they view any expense/diversion of the US to be worth it, since they're focusing on Ukraine. To put it simply: giving them a handful of weapons is not actually "helping them from being bullied". If someone really wanted to help them, it would take a lot more resources/diplomatic intervention to do so.
All this, of course, is even ignoring all of the problems with Maduro (I don't agree he's even socialist leaning) because it's not relevant to the discussion.

>>2552700
cope

>>2552662
oh yeah, just like his pilot had betrayed him!
actually it was just a fake news to destabilize like everything said about venezuela in western media

>>2552700
how the fuck do people not recognizing that giving the venezuelans hypersonic missiles, that if they launched at say a major military base or city, would just result in the country getting annihilated?

>>2552709
Its obviously supposed to work as deterrence.
>>2552700
>Because it would take a lot more than "some good missiles" to deter an American strike force if they really wanted to topple the government.
Its better than nothing, right now the US can do whatever they want without fear of any kind of retaliation, and thats the worst case scenario for any country thats on the eyes of the burgers.
>If someone really wanted to help them, it would take a lot more resources/
This could be the start of that.
>diplomatic intervention to do so.
The US only understands brute force.

>>2552700
>I don't agree he's even socialist leaning
nationalized resources, communes, popular militias, strong democracy, anti imperialism and internationalist solidarity isnt enough for ultras to describe someone as "socialist leaning", impressively retarded

>Yes they might inflict some casualties
this is the whole point of deterrence, US is very casualty averse, ofc they still have the means to destroy the country, but the political will might lack if theres any risk of getting hurt in return

>repercussions inflicted upon them (read: their civilians) would be far worse because of it.
<they will bomb your civilians if you defend yourself so just take it

>they're not doing this out of the kindness of their hearts
no shit, who the fuck cares

>giving them a handful of weapons is not actually "helping them from being bullied"
<helping them isnt actually helping them because its not enough
how dishonest can you be holy shit

>>2552789
>nationalized resources, communes, popular militias, strong democracy, anti imperialism and internationalist solidarity isnt enough for ultras to describe someone as "socialist leaning", impressively retarded
Agree but I think he was talking about Maduro in specific

>>2551224
Fucking finally
I need more dakka Putin
>>2551282
B8it used to be believable

Something cheerful
Venezuela is going to space!
Sending a probe with China to Mars in 2028
<Insert meme

>>2552700
One ship being sunk will be enough to deter them. The Navy hasn't experienced heavy losses since WWII.

>>2552794
all these policies were made by his party while he was a minister, and his party made him the president for a reason, so thats just the classic imperialist glowie playbook of attacking everything resisting the US from the left as well as the right.

any updates

>>2552700
I think that if Hamas had some oreshniks there wouldn't have been a genocide in the last two years.

>>2554244
'Trump to launch missile attacks on Venezuela when Ford carrier arrives' , says Mark Cancian from the Center for Strategic and International Studies on in The Times.
Boats are slow as fuck though so who knows how long that will be.

>>2554666
I read somewhere that the Ford is hanging off the coast of Africa because Trump doesn't know whether to send it to Nigeria or Venezuela

>>2554666
>>2554704
Also worth keeping in mind, Trump 2 agenda just took a bit of a shellacking at the polls domestically. He is under pressure from factions within his own supporters to shift to "affordability", sending troops here and there and starting new forever-wars is a bad look with that in mind. But who knows.

>>2552789
>nationalized resources
Socialism is not when the government does stuff. Nationalizing resources means nothing if the resources gained are only used to benefit a small elite and not the people. Even Venezuela's Communist Party opposes him. https://x.com/PCV_Venezuela/status/1818052775156093424
>anti imperialism
You don't have to be a socialist to be anti-imperialist.
>strong democracy
Maduro is an authoritarian dictator and a neoliberal lol. The only reason that I'm not opposed to him in this context is because the alternative is so much worse: a neo-fascist bitch who is willing to sell out and destroy her country to imperialists if it means she can make money off of the ashes. If she had her way, Venezuela would become the next Libya.
>ofc they still have the means to destroy the country
Exactly my point. If you give them a handful of weapons and nothing else, far more Venezuelans will suffer compared to the number of US casualties they will inflict. Do you honestly think that if US soldiers are hurt, Trump won't spin it as a need for them to invade even more aggressively? A few bombs are not enough to protect the innocent people of Venezuela.
>they will bomb your civilians if you defend yourself so just take it
strawman
>helping them isnt actually helping them because its not enough
Another strawman. I'm saying that giving them a handful of weapons isn't actually helping them, it's just you looking to pat yourself on the back in smug satisfaction from a safe distance, thinking that you saved them, when actually you're only emboldening and excusing the invaders. The only way to help Venezuela is through either supplying overwhelming military support or a diplomatic intervention that can present a decisive, strong deterrence. Real war is not a video game.

>>2554293
Hamas has a military and missiles and it was nowhere near enough to prevent a full-scale invasion. Who were the ones who were and are suffering the most in the invasion by the Israeli clerical fascists? That's right, the innocent civilians. How is killing a few Israeli soldiers worth all of that civilian carnage? As of today, the official death total for Israeli security forces killed since October 7, 2023, is around 1,152. How the fuck can that be possibly comparable to the hundreds of thousands of innocent Palestinian casualties who were hurt in the process? Trading a thousand lives for hundreds of thousands of innocents is not an effective bargain. Which is my central point. Simply saying "They should fight back" without any understanding of the military situation is just smug satisfaction and shows you don't really give a shit about the suffering of innocents, you just want an excuse to gloat over a few dead jackboots. If we want to stop imperialism, it's not enough to give some people guns, reprisals be damned, and shrug our shoulders when far more innocent people are killed in response.