>>2540767TO POKROVSK BITCHEZZZZZZ
>>2540191>muh shillsthis is not reddit, you libtard.
looking good around pokrovsk, kupants, lyman and kherson. ukrainian victory soon.
how reliable is alastair crooke in alt media?
former bong diplomat claiming high-level moscow sources.
basically says that kirill dmitriev's routine of the porkie naively trying to ass-kiss his way around the trump admin to get business deals is actually an intel operation and that he's been meticulously reporting on trump's capture by neocons, recently telling the kremlin and the general staff that trump can't be trusted.
>The Sun’s defense editor, Jerome Starkey, has claimed that his Ukrainian colleague and translator was forcibly drafted into the army amid the country’s ongoing conscription crisis.
>In a story published over the weekend, Starkey wrote that he, photographer Peter Jordan, and an unnamed Ukrainian journalist he has “worked with for years” were stopped by Ukrainian soldiers at a roadblock for what seemed like a routine document check.
>Starkey said that, several hours later, his Ukrainian colleague was “forcibly press-ganged” into the army. “Our team of three was ripped apart. My friend – who I will call D – had his liberty taken away,” he wrote, adding that the news crew was “left stranded without a translator.”
<“A soldier came up and joked: ‘You need a new driver.’ Then he added: ‘Your friend has gone to war. Bang, bang!’ And that was it. I don’t know what D’s fate will be,” Starkey wrote.https://swentr.site/news/627083-ukrainian-army-conscripts-journalist/ >>2540973>Jerome Starkeyisn't that a podcaster?
I lost interest last year
can anyone summarise what happened in the SMO in the last 1.5 years?
>ymv8 samefagging.
>>2541030you don't know me
>>2540996lol this post making the shills mad ahahah
>>2540967I think AC is relatively reliable, but not always. None of them are always reliable. Mercouris was saying the same thing about Dimitriev, but maybe he got it from AC, or vice versa.
also:
>Trump's capture by neoconsno need to overcomplicate: Trump is a neocon
>>2541051Every thread
>omg this war is liek sooooo boring sum1 tell me what's happeninggggg >>2541056>Mercouris was saying the same thing about Dimitriev, but maybe he got it from AChe got it from AC if you mean his latest video. mentions AC as the source a little later.
anyway, I'm looking for more romantic explanations of kirill because I refuse to believe that this is real life. he's a caricature of a russian oligarch, every stereotype and trope rolled into one. the sense of unreality is the same as that you'd get taking your kid to a karate class, and there's chuck norris leading the class.
>>2541059Careful what you wish for, it just might happen to come true
>>2541089The NAFO tears are the only reason I give one shit about Pokrovsk, tbh.
>>2541051>>2541058Every thread for literally years
>Ukraine is about to collapse, look how pokrovsk is about to fall >>2541100>no uNice touch anon, that is very common to these threads also
Looks like Russia is speeding up wrt territory, and I have my doubts it's a result of the natural decrease in Ukro manpower. The pro-Russian map autists weren't expecting Pokrovsk to fall for another half year or so. The speed up started around the time one of the Dnieper bridges was finally hit and the large-scale power attacks began. Looks like a change in directives.
>>2541100>making shit up to pretend we're wrongEvery time
Le interimperialist conflict this is
>>2541132Tbf the effects of attrition can become apparent very suddenly.
This is an interimperialist war for the control of Ukraines land, resources and population, as well as for broader long term strategic interests, as well as a demonstration of each sides modern military capability for testing, training and learning purposes. It's fought between two imperialist united fronts - West/NATO and Russia/China/hanger-ons. The solution to this conflict lies in the proletariat of Russia and Ukraine doing mass shootings or drone bombing of the wealthy elites and politicians of their country.
>>2541150>fought between two imperialist united fronts - West/NATO>The solution to this conflict lies in the proletariat of Russia and UkraineRevolutionary defeatism for thee, not for me
>>2541150>land, resources and population, as well as for broader long term strategic intereststhere's a word for that its called conquest. A universally common tool in the competition between self interested states sharing the same space with scarce recourses. By such a broad definition every conflict ever since Cain killed Abel is imperialism and all meaningful productive discussion is smothered by such a universalist declaration lacking any defining contrast.
With an implicit signalling that there were no historically progressive conflicts (as all were, by internal definition,, imperialist) until socialism was conceived like some religious epiphany rather than a dialectical development. Although you are a leftcom that would fit.
Russia is not exporting capital to a less developed region for superior surplus extraction as ukraine isnt less developed than itself as both are the recent inheritors of accumulated soviet capital. Nor is finance capital at the helm of the russian state apparatus towards the prior goal as they would have never committed/nor risked this much in a conflict to expand a market of even development. They are both at a development level below western markets who do possess a differential in the accelerating crisis of profit, necessitating expansion of economic extraction east.
Is it truth to say that militia armies get better over time?
>>2541208If they stop being militia armies - then yes
>>2541161Every war in capitalist epoch is imperialist, though
>>2541150>say le interimperialist war>then calls for le voluntarism activismYou are not a real ultroid bordigger
>>2541408Yes, this war does have an imperialist dimension and that is heavily financialised western hegemony suffering a crisis of profit. Necessitating an expansion of its extractive frontier towards new markets with fresh surplus of variable capital and recourses. To replace the exhausted, debt laden stagnation internally. This push outwards had encounter heavy friction with the existing post-soviet middlemen of eurasia, whom demand a cut to allow access to their markets and must be removed for efficiency of extraction. Achieved by sponsoring an ethno-nationalist project to replace them in return for deregulation and here we are. As that ethno-nationalist project tries to rationalise a multi-ethnic borderland in-between competing spheres of influence (while de-regulating behind the scenes of its conflict).
Russian capital is inherently immature, a low debt-to-gdp ratio in a primary extractive economy are significant empirical signals that it has decades to to fall before the inevitable crisis of profit hits it from an over-developed financial engine demanding horizontal growth replace the 'used up' vertical potential of existing territories. While they won't complain about new conquered markets as a repayment for the assets lost in the international financial sector. It is an irrational move to incur the cost of expansion when your home territories remain relatively under-exploited (by the deprived measurements of capitalism).
Thus this is a singularly imperialist war with a directional velocity east to kill the developing Eurasian capitalist states in the crib before their bourgeois mature into extra larger mouths on the scarcer pie of proletarian surplus. Whom have a long way to go before similar action is necessary; whose survival accelerates capitalist decline.
>>2541500Nice post explaining stuff. But i will keep typing le interimperialist conflict. I am in too deep
>>2541515fair enough, I respect the game
>>2541369it's always the bad ominen. he wants to give support, he ends up announcing the imminent defeat.
>>2541372If I were a Ruzzian officer i would order my soldiers to plant a flag every 10 meters, Ukraine would run out of shell in a few months
>Putin proposed to temporarily suspend hostilities in Kupyansk and Pokrovsk to allow foreign journalists to enter and prove the encirclement of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>2541734Encircled Azovites in Mariupol did more to damage Ukrainian morale than anything Russians could throw at Ukraine in media
>>2541734what encirclement? zelya said there's no encirclement in Pokrovsk and Kupyansk
:^)
>>2541784At least he didn't make Myrnograd look like a butt
>>2542034Why less than two and not just one?
Why two and then ten?
Is this Slav arithmetic?
>>2542055that's what my memory recalls. it my be more, but there were very few for the magnitude of the floods.
>The city received 1.5 months' worth of precipitation in less than 24 hours.was some of the headlines by the time.
>>2542058>>2542058this was 2022, 2023, way before the narrative of the "Cuban soldiers on Ukraine" now imposed.
they just found an excuse to vote against and be 100% servile to the US.
>>2542055>Why less than two and not just one?halfman phobic.
Popenkornovsk status?
>>2541734We are reaching a level of cuckening previously thought impossible.
>>2541986>USA, Israel, Ukraine, Trump's Argentine cocksleevethe axis of evil at it again
>>2542121Once Russia secures Northern Pokrovsk the culdren will collapse.
so are they capturing kiev or what
>>2542315Two more weeks of stagnant lines, FUCK YOU CUCKTIN YOU FUCKING CRACKHEAD RETARD TRAITOR
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>>2542403probably related to the new co-operation agreement recently ratified by Russia, which includes some military co-operation, like switching GPS (US operated) for GLONASS. personnel training, and military equipment.
>>2542015Agent S. He must laugh himself to sleep at the thought of all the Ukrops he is getting killed.
>>2542354This is what the brave soldiers needed, thank you for your hard work
>>2542422it's agent
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V. leeters anagram in Russians IFV, AMV, MRAPS, GRADS, etc:
Volodymyr
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Zelensky.
>>2540985>I pray the army finds a way to harness his skills as a journalist. Lmao, they'll put him in a trench to investigate how long it takes for l him to die.
>>2542528NATO isn't going to use any of those nuclear weapons either. This war shows that NATO can fire conventional weapons into Russia, and Putin won't do shit to retaliate with conventional weapons, let alone with nuclear weapons.
<lots of strikes against TPPs all across Ukraine again
>>2542528funny they do this instead of replacing their geriatric reagan era ICBM stock
Trump on Xi meeting:
>“Ukraine came up very strongly. We talked about it for a long time, and we are both going to work together to see if we can get something done,” the US leader said.
Is strongly the next bigly?
You should NOT use the following words - zigger zegroid ziggaboo zambo zorch-monkey
>>2542610bourgeois nationalism always bends the knee
>Putin proposed to temporarily suspend hostilities in Kupyansk and Pokrovsk to allow foreign journalists to enter and prove the encirclement of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
IT'S REAL AND PUTIN FORCED THE ARMY TO "TEMPORARILY CEASING HOSTILITIES FOR 5-6 HOURS" RIGHT NOW
HAHAHAHAHA KILL ME
I stand with Ukraine against the Russia aggression, unironically actually.
>>2542999Ditto, but I dont talk about it here because locals shout at me.
>>2543013You should be beaten irl, tbh famalam
i watch cnn to stay informed about world events
>>2542999>>2543013yes we know there are way too many supporters of imperialism and nato lovers on this site, but why do you feel the need to signal your submission to the western order here?
>>2543050I just wanted to let anon know he is not alone.
>>2542492>azov coupthat would be an utter farcce
>>2543091But muh ceasefire
>>2543137>>2543143ah, damn elusive flag.
What is everyone's thoughts on Trump Xi meeting?
hey, where the fuck is the
would you support the workers uprising in Moscow gotcha troll? he needs to quickly support these
>>2543180,
>>2543137>>2543137my man with his every-day carry sledge.
>>2543191>no sound webm'snoticed. back to /pol/.
>>2543191Can confirm the rents in the UK are dire and nothing works even in London, worse things happen at sea but I would be disappointed arriving here after hearing how the UK sells itself as a nation of great importance, culture, innovation, wealth, etc.
>>2543160Been occupied the past few days so I haven't been keeping up, but if the meeting only lasted a couple of hours and there was no joint press conference afterwards then it's pretty much a disaster.
Forcibly mobilised and then killed by droneAnti-Militarist Initiative<The murderous logic of war in practiceThe mainstream media publishes articles about how terribly the Russian army treats deserters. “Chained to trees, locked in metal tanks, or dragged behind off-road vehicles—this is the reality for Russian soldiers who refused to fight in Ukraine,” they note.[1]
As usual, there is not much written about the equally horrific massacres of Ukrainian deserters. One thing is certain, however. The combat capability of both armies is partly based on violent mobilization and torture techniques designed to discourage desertion and force even those who do not want to go to the front to do so. While thousands of soldiers are trying to desert, others are being sent to the front against their will, hoping to live to see another day. That is, unless a “suicide” drone armed with explosives happens to fly into their heads. On the internet, we can see videos of such drones belonging to the Ukrainian army massacring Russian soldiers on motorcycles, in trenches, on roads, in forests, plains, and elsewhere.[2]
In most cases, footage of these events is accompanied by articles that celebrate them and cynically dehumanize the victims. They never ask who these people are or how they ended up in a place where they were mercilessly killed. It is impossible not to notice that even the anti-fascist and “anarchist” movement is organizing collections for drones for the Ukrainian army. And because — like the pro-Western mainstream — this “radical left” environment also presents the war as a defensive action against occupiers, it probably doesn’t worry too much about the fact that its drones may well be massacring Russian soldiers who were forced to the front under threat of punishment. In the logic of a “defensive war,” every Russian soldier on the front line is a Putinist and an occupier.[3] Thousands of deserters and forcibly mobilized soldiers are nothing to the supporters of this logic and can be mercilessly eliminated. [4] But what such an approach has to do with the declared struggle for freedom and justice is something that the proponents of this line will not explain to us. After all, most of them do not have to face fire on either side of the war line. They simply send a financial contribution from time to time from the safe haven of the pampered petty bourgeoisie (or their descendants) and then write an ideological shitstorm full of vague phrases about the struggle for freedom and self-determination of the Ukrainian people.
In contrast, soldiers on both the Ukrainian and Russian fronts are largely proletarians who do not have access to these privileges. Yes, they are proletarians, because the proletariat has not ceased to exist just because some individuals have decided to remove this word from their vocabulary. The truth is that many proletarians are on the front lines involuntarily and under duress [5]. Very few have the means or documents to flee abroad. Many live in illegality: they avoid banks, leave big cities, hide in forests. If anything makes sense from an anarchist perspective, it is to provide them with support, not to build drones that will massacre them or track them down so that someone else can massacre them.[6]
Solidarity with deserters and those forcibly mobilized!Resistance to those who build machines for their killing!Class solidarity against the murderous logic of war!–
[1] Ruští dezertéři jsou brutálně mučeni. Svědectví přináší CNN | Newstream |
https://www.newstream.cz/politika/rusti-dezerteri-jsou-brutalne-muceni-svedectvi-prinasi-cnn[2] For example, here
https://cnn.iprima.cz/ukrajinska-droni-elita-v-akci-madarovi-ptaci-vyzobali-rusy-na-motocyklech-ti-zkaze-neujeli-479487https://cnn.iprima.cz/zabery-ukrajinske-likvidace-okupantu-ruskeho-vojaka-zachranila-lopatka-467046https://cnn.iprima.cz/zabery-hruzy-v-ocich-kratce-pred-vybuchem-ukrajinske-drony-likviduji-ruske-okupanty-475517Also here:
https://msn.com/cs-cz/zpravy/other/ukrajinsk%C3%A9-drony-ude%C5%99ily-na-rusk%C3%A9-voj%C3%A1ky-v-lese/vi-AA1JzxmTWhat do we see in this video? A man in uniform with a backpack is walking through the forest when suddenly he is shot by a drone. To the viewer, it is presented as a sensational video of how Ukraine’s defenders stopped the occupier. However, it is not at all clear from the video who he was, why he was there, and whether he wanted to be there at all or was forced there by officers under threat of punishment. He is dead, and no one will ask him.
[3] Reality speaks for itself. Forced mobilization and high desertion rates in the Russian army prove that not every soldier on the front line is a Putin supporter. On the contrary, many are victims of Putinism, just like those who are being shelled in Ukrainian cities.
https://antimilitarismus.noblogs.org/post/2025/02/04/over-russian-18000-soldiers-desert[4] The Solidrones initiative, which reportedly manufactures “drones for anti-authoritarian fighters in Ukraine,” states: “Defenders consume tens of thousands of unmanned aerial vehicles every month, because a precise drone strike can take out a significantly more expensive tank and cripple the occupiers’ advance.”
https://www.afed.cz/text/8191/solidronesThere is no doubt that they operate drones, which are weapons designed for destruction and killing. But even if someone wanted to argue that they can also use supply or reconnaissance drones, it is important to clarify one thing. Even in such cases, drones serve as a means of support for senseless killing. There is no significant difference between a forcibly mobilized soldier being shot down directly by a drone and being tracked down with the help of a drone and then killed by infantry (often also supplied by drones), artillery, or the air force.
A number of other questions are also relevant.
Can the so-called “anti-authoritarians” who manufacture or operate drones decide how and against whom they will be deployed? That might be conceivable in the case of guerrilla warfare organized autonomously outside the state and against the state. However, this is not the case with these people, who, as they themselves acknowledge, are integrated into the official state army of Ukraine. It is therefore the army authorities who determine how the drones will be used by the “anti-authoritarians,” and there can be no question of autonomy of action. What will these “anti-authoritarians” do when their officers next order them to use drones to track down deserters attempting to escape? After all, this is one of the agenda items of the Ukrainian army, which they voluntarily serve.
[5] According to statements by surviving Russian soldiers, they were not allowed to evacuate because a blocking unit guarding them from behind would not let them leave their positions on the front line and would shoot if they attempted to retreat. Forcing soldiers to advance may therefore be less risky in some cases than retreating and deserting. This cruel tactic was used by the army during the Stalin era, and today the Russian army is returning to this practice.
[6] The forcibly mobilisation and subsequent killing by drones is also well known to the population in Ukraine. However, we do not know of a single case where the production of drones by the Russian army has been financed with money by so-called anti-authoritarians or anarchists. In any case, we must condemn the forcibly mobilisation and murderous use of drones against the working class, whether these practices are used by the Ukrainian, Russian or any other state army.
>>2543499>The combat capability of both armies is partly based on violent mobilizationno, not both
>This cruel tactic was used by the army during the Stalin erano it wasn't
“drones for anti-authoritarian fighters in Ukraine” is hilarious though. anarchists are objectively the armed wing of fascism
>>2543388reployment to the home front on city street to fight protestors. but the US is not withdrawing from europe any time soon.
Honestly I hope the West fully ends up wading into this war. C'mon, Ukraine is such a good country, heroically fighting Russia with inadequate Western support and stacking up 17-20% GDP in debt a year. Why not make the entire West Ukrainian?
Slava Ukraini!
>>2543574I don't think that's really possible at this point without nato destroying itself.
>>2543596every few months you have british politicans trying to compete with who can be most militant in their support of ukraine, and sir kier babbling like a automaton about sending in troops. but when the delusions get too far the military generals put their foot down.
>>2543601C'mon, what's CuckATO so afraid of? They'll devastate the Russian savages!
Send NATO boys into Ukraine grinders! Because they're magical Aryans who will shrug off Russian drone fire!
>>2543596That's sort of the point.
>>2543601The entire problem imo is that eventually Russia will control the entire Donbass East of the Dnieper. The internal will to continue the war will end, and we won't have a good funnel draining the resources of the West.
Unless, say, Russia wants to extend its support of Iran and bring the war to Israel, and that's risky as all fuck.
>>2543637dont worry. i'm sure he will find meaning, comradeship, and everything that army life brings.
>>2540985 >>2543627there's still odessa. the bongs and frogs will panic and keep funneling if losing it becomes a real threat
>>2543650I assume a feint toward Kharkiv from the East and South in order to draw away Ukrainian defenders from at least Sloviansk.
>>2543660do Russians even need a feint at this point? I bet they have an handsome manpower and resource advantage now. Also Europe can't much escalate in terms of weapons support.
>>2543671>do Russians even need a feint at this point?It seems like it. History Legends' latest video gives the impression that while the Russians have the overwhelming advantage in men and material, the drone/artillery response cuts hard into any substantial mass of either. That factor is shrinking as sheer attrition wears down the afu's ability to respond at all, but it doesn't seem completely negligible yet.
>>2543728The feint is sort of an excuse to pressure Kharkiv. Hell, if AFU can't even properly respond to the feint, RuGF might take Kharkiv by accident. Then Poltava, Sumy, etc, everything East of Dnieper is imaginable, but it's a question of Russian will to keep fighting the grinder when virtually everything worthwhile in Ukraine has been taken.
The Russians do take casualties, and spending another 100-200k lives to push the border to Kyiv is possibly a political nonstarter.
>>2543715some proper dooming right there. love to see it.
Strategically, pushing all the way to Kyiv and beyond, then installing a puppet government with Russian or SCO bases in Western Ukraine might be doable if the AFU does collapse, but expecting a Kharkiv feint to draw troops away from Kramatorsk Sloviansk is a baseline.
Also, moving what's left of the RuGF to retake Syria is potentially doable; Russian forces are extremely well-experienced in drone warfare under modern conditions at this point, and pushing pressure against Arab and Israeli armies would keep the Western funnel ongoing.
Russia at less than 20% of GDP in debt is well financed to keep the war machine active; there are myriads of soft targets even if Putin doesn't want to keep on pushing against NATO.
If the war ends, Russia can put in an order for J-35s (claimed better than F-35 air superiority), then look for other places to push.
It'll actually be quite hilarious if the anti-war (imperialist) left is forced to either cheer on the Russians or support the Israelis if Russia pivots to the ME with a war economy and experienced combat troops.
I wouldn't rate the Russians well against NATO; it'd be bloody fighting, but against Arabs or the IDF? GG no re.
>>2543660Russia doesn't want to assault Slovyansk - they want to encircle it in a leaky cauldron mongolian horde style. For this, they however need fortified pincers - Pokrovsk is one such pincer. Also, you need a lot of men and equipment to hold the pincers, so maybe I am wrong and Russia will assault the agglomeration because it will take less men ot do otherwise
>>2543759No, I'm aware of the basic Russian strategy. Do a half cauldron on a well-fortified position, besiege it, block resupply but make evacuation possible. Take the position without having to assault as the defenders run out of supplies or attrition out.
Pokrovsk Myrnograd is an exception because they seem to be dedicated to forming a full encirclement and destroying units inside, or at least forcing them to surrender.
Sloviansk, if the AFU is on the verge of breaking, can be directly assaulted, but that's why I'm saying a Kharkiv feint is more likely. Besiege a more important city, half cauldron a less important city, and then take the less important city when its defenders get evicted from an indefensible position.
>>2543775As for Kharkiv, it's actually possible for Russia to take the city by assault, if Russia is able to root defenders in place. It happened in Pokrovsk already, as per historylegends' video
>>2543715>Ukraine will collapse Any moment now 😉
>>2543834No. In two more weeks.
>>2543627The West are draining their own resources. German industry is in free fall without cheap energy and will take the eastern EU with it. And the US regime is determined to destroy their own economy and start a civil war.
It would take decades of socialist government to arrest the fall and get the West back to 2019.
>>2543900What kind of resources are these? Paper?
>>2543923Yes. Both crypto and fiat are scams.
>>2543561>“drones for anti-authoritarian fighters in Ukraine” is hilarious though. anarchists are objectively the armed wing of fascismAnd yet anarchists wrote that text criticizing them, anarchists run the anti militarist international while other "anarchists" are outright NATOPolitian.
>>2543952Its not like their bullshit stories were believed by anyone. Did more harm than good and was primarily directed to sooth westoids
>>2543955Yeah there are principled and serious anarchists and I respect them even as a MLoid.
"Anarchism" is just the acceptable form of rebellion that Westoids are channelled into.
>>2543958Didn't want that soft power anyway.
>>2543959Modern "anarchists" may be modern but they're anything besides anarchist, they don't mind being ruled by the west because they've been astroturfed and brainwashed by socialdemocratic bullshit promises of "greater freedoms" in liberal democracy, its their "lesser evilism" to support shitty projects like rojava and the mexican natlibs EZLN. The existing internationals are slowly curing themselves of the poisoned "federations" or as they should be called foreign corporations.
https://libcom.org/article/war-anarchismThe US has been trying to coopt anarchism for a long time and I can trace it back to at least the punk liberalism when the retards started pushing the war on drugs by "straight edge culture" to stigmatize users, doing the work of Nixon for free while calling themselves "progressive" as if it were a special identity to be sober, we're all sober by default.
>>2543965 (Me)
Sharing this documentary once again, its relevant to the topic of how the US swindled public opinion and more specifically how it swindled the youths into believing they're "rebelling".
Did you know that Cucktin has been a cuck for more than three decades?
>Putin said that he resigned with the rank of lieutenant colonel on 20 August 1991, on the second day of the 1991 Soviet coup d'état attempt against Soviet president Mikhail Gorbachev. Putin stated: "As soon as the coup began, I immediately decided which side I was on"
>>2543960Show me Russia's and China's soft power anyway
>>2543993And for once he did good. Can you imagine having that failure of a system for another decade or two? For what?
>>2544000true,the yeltsin era was much better,I love child prostitutes <3
>>2544019you can see redditers say they miss the yeltsin era becuase you could criticise the government back then
>>2544019Maybe next time dont have a system that its so bad that not even those in power want it and results in something like yeltsin…
>>2544039>Maybe next time dont have a system that its so bad that not even those in power want it and results in something like yeltsin…Yeah, sure liberal
>>2544039The coup was exactly the people in power trying to preserve USSR instead of turning Russia into 3rd world shithole.
Unironically I stand in favor of Ukraine against russian aggression, I think there are better way to fight USA imperialism than invading a weak nation, defending Russia is pure cope.
>>2544042>Unironically I stand in favor of Ukraine against russian aggression, I think there are better way to fight USA imperialism than invading a weak nation, defending Russia is pure cope.Sure, how are you gonna fight US imperialism, tell me.
>>2544042Also
>Le aggression>Le weak nationUkraine is bigger than most european countries combined you dumb moron.
Does anybody have that video with war footage overlayed with a russian girl singing? Forgot her name.
>>2543392>Second drone: generator has been replaced with a note saying "fuck off"Lol, cheeky
>>2544042>The US should be the only one doing aggression, all other countries must lie down and wait for their attacks and sabotage and mayhem and just react!!!Sorry, no. NATO expansion is being stopped, scream all you want.
>>2544043american imperialism is funded by pax americana which in turn is fueled by everyone recognizing american order as the fairest one being currently offered.
as soon as russia gets civilized, becomes developed and influential it can strive to offer its own, alternative woldview - if it's by any chance fairer than this one and not a variant of 'ooga booga rashka big, we strong' or 'we wuz slavs an shiet so half of europe is rigthtfully ours' it might even find proponents
hope this helps
>>2544000>that failure of a system people lived pretty well in there
>For whatfor the additional people who would have lived free of capitalism? to give the capitalist west more time to collapse instead of giving it a new massive territory and population to plunder?
>>2544039>not even those in power want it the problem was indeed a betrayal from the top who wanted to have as much inequality in benefit of those in power than in the west, because at the bottom people wanted to keep socialism
>>2540958does it use locally made avionics?
because the cormac for example is basically an airbus within a chinese-made airframe
>>2544042i dont. russia should have invaded in 2014
>>2544074>american imperialism is funded by pax americana which in turn is fueled by everyone recognizing american order as the fairest one being currently offered.Not one mention of military bases, not one mention of regime changes, no historical material analysis, yup its the nafoid again. You gonna clap like a retard once they invade Venezuela and Colombia?
>Le Russia is not le civilized<I can't wait to show the free, civilized and democratic society of Ukropistan *gets dragged to a mobik van* >>2543091Where do you get these maps?
The Germans believe they were not only not losing but were actually winning the Great War right up to the Armistice. They hadn't lost any territory in four years, but it turned out that was totally meaningless and their defeat was inevitable after the first Battle of the Marne in 1914. Every day the war was fought after that only ensured the defeat would be worse and in fact the eventual defeat was so terrible it led to the total collapse of the state, millions dead of mass famine and disease, civil war, decades of total degradation and slavery for the German people and then an even worse defeat in WW2.
At the height of their supposed success, the hohols were only losing twenty press-ganged, untrained pensioners for every Russian volunteer professional soldier, and they were only able to achieve that due to Russia repositioning upon realising how absolutely fucking retarded hohols really are.
Now the bastion of democracy is losing 439pensioners, teenagers, pregnant women and amputees for every Russian volunteer professional soldier.
Can some nafo fag tell me what the end goal is here? Because you'd have to be able to believe the earth is flat to be able to believe this is anything but the worst, most one-sided, sustained ass-fucking in recorded history.
>>2544267Dont try to argue with them honestly, they believe the Ukrops that Russia sents back are actually russian. I am nor kidding. Also there was a leak recently showing the real numbers lost on the Ukrop side and the Ukrops instantly tried to deny it which was very sus lmao
>>2544267Ukraine's back-at-home troops believe that they are being betrayed by the forcefully mobilized population because Ukraine is losing because people don't want to defend Ukraine. This is Ukraine's stab in the back myth in the making
>>2544267>>2544309And by back-at-home troops I mean police, SBU, and mobilization center personnel. The last ones straight up gloat at mobiks that they'll have to fight on the frontlines now, and "don't hide behind our backs", lmao
>>2544199Russia should have gone the whole way in 1945 but Cucklin botched it up….
>>2544042any nation that is allied with the US deserve to be invaded, simple as.
>>2544244>Not one mention of military bases, not one mention of regime changes, no historical material analysis,You were asking about a way to fight american imperialism not about Breton Woods and it's consequences so none of that would be remotely relevant to the question
>>Le Russia is not le civilizednever was never will be
>>2544074>american imperialism is funded by pax americana which in turn is fueled by everyone recognizing american order as the fairest one being currently offered.russia breaks some people into repudiating any critique of the status quo. self-enslavement
Not the case at all however without a valid competitor pax americana literally cannot fail which means everyone has to work within the framework of status quo
>>2544415Tender, lovely feet
>>2544074>just beat America at their own game, which they control and set the rules ofThat's some extra dumb liberal idealist right there.
>>2544427Also classic European racism. What shithole did you blow in from, shitlib?
>>2544581that's our local polelol
>>2544581That is literally the only way to do it. If you're still dreaming about some sort of a revolution - it's not happening because there isn't enough underclass in the developed world. Any country that goes against the grain sooner or later ends up like assads Syria (best case scenario btw)
Even if you by a miracle managed to militarily conquer the world Russian world would not last long because to most people being Russian, living like Russians do is demeaning.
100% FSB astrosurfed thread
>>2544649Genuinely is. If we had an unwanted war, crackdowns on freedom of assembly or speech, dictatorship or a cleptocracy we'd be out on the streets.
>>2544657you already live in a dictatorship and a cleptocracy
>we'd be out on the streets.no you wouldn't lmao
We've fought for our rights longer than you've existed as a race and a civilisation.
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2025/10/a-few-thoughts-about-the-russian-end-game-in-ukraine-and-the-risk-of-losing-the-peace.htmlA Few Thoughts About the Russian End Game in Ukraine and the Risk of Losing the Peace
<Posted on October 31, 2025 by Yves Smith
>There seems to be an emerging consensus among the YouTube commentators who are particularly inflential in shaping US/advanced economy perceptions among anti-globalists and other US hegemony skeptics and oppents. Many are coming to the position articulated early by Mark Sleboda, who has been the most accurate in forecasting the pace of the conflict, that Russia would have to take all of Ukraine, if nothing else because NATO officials and key EU political leaders have regularly and rabidly maintained that they will arm/rearm Ukraine even in the event of an apparent defeat. So the only secure and durable remedy to that, from the Russian side, is to make sure no US/NATO/EU-aligned Ukraine survives the war. That in turn would seem to require that Russia secures all of Ukraine’s current territory, by some combination of winning referenda in the Russia-receptive oblasts so they join Russia plus occupation or installation of a friendly regime in rump Ukraine. While I am in no position to observe directly, polls and the tone of commentary support the idea that Russian citizens more and more favor aggressive prosecution of the conflict, and subduing/controlling all of Ukraine and thus have been frustrated with Putin’s dalliances with Trump.
>Even though occupying or otherwise dominatinng the entirety of Ukraine would entail more costs than other solutions, it is arguably the least bad result for Russia. But even so, Sleboda has warned that that outcome might not be unwelcome form of Russia victory to the West: “We’ll make you choke on it.”
>But even in this “subjugate all of Ukraine” assumption, there are a lot of ways to skin that cat. John Mearsheimer has long argued that what Russia wants as an end-state is a dysfunctional rump Ukraine. That presumably includes Russia taking historically Russia-leaning Odessa1 to render what is left of Ukraine landlocked.
>John Helmer has so far provided the most insight, due to his contacts in the General Staff, as to what the end game might look like. Helmer has suggested that the General Staff in particular has been frustrated with Putin apparently requiring a particularly slow grind on the ground, and holding back (until recently) on muscular prosecution of the electricity war. Admittedly that has become an easier task with Ukraine now almost entirely bereft of air defenses even as Russia has increased its stocks of missiles and drones.
>Helmer early on described how one element of the Russian strategy was to push determined Ukraine nationalists out of the county. Rolling westward deliberately rather than rapidly would help with that aim, particularly given that the population might still accept the Ukraine rather than the Russian view of how well Ukraine was holding out, plus people understandably are very reluctant to abandon their homes and communities. Note that that aim has already been achieved to some degree, via emigration as well as war deaths. I saw estimates about a year ago of Ukraine’s population having fallen to as low as 20 million versus a pre-war level of ~43 million. Admittedly that factors in the loss of the Donbass. I can’t imagine that the true total is better now.
>Not only does driving the neo-Nazis out in theory reduce the size of a terrorist rearguard, but on a more mundane level, it will result in more of the remaining population being Russia-tolerant and thus legitimately voting to join Russia. This would presumably result in more oblasts joining Russia than earlier voting maps of which areas favored Russia-friendly candidates would suggest.
>In addition, Helmer pointed out that the General Staff expected that an aggressive prosecution electricity war (as in turning out the lights, which would also result in no heat and destruction of infrastructure via burst pipes; key parts of the municipal waterworks depend on electric controls and heating) would produce a humanitarian crisis and mass flight westward. Helmer did make clear that the General Staff saw overloading border states with refugees as a plus, but Putin presumably does not like the optics of punishing civilians. One solution to that apparent dilemma might be for Russia to create intermittent but somewhat lengthy outages (a guesstimate is 12 to 72 hours) to give the citizenry a taste of what is in store and give them time to leave in a more orderly manner.
>However, I have not seen much consideration of what measures Russia can take to reduce the incidence of terrorism in rump Ukraine and the Russian Federation, not just the newly-integrated oblasts but pre-war Russia. MI6 lives for this sort of operation. Scott Ritter has claimed that Russia House, the CIA unit tasked to messing with Russia, is effectively a rogue operation. Even the formidable torture enthusiast Gina Haspel was unable to get it back under control. So even if the US officially retreats to sulk and lick its wounds after a Ukraine defeat, it seems a certainty that UK and US intelligence operatives will instigate violence.
>A final point that seems overlooked in a lot of commentary on the future of Ukraine is that, given foreign pot-stirrers, it isn’t necessary to have much if any die-hard Banderites to man these operations. John Kirakou, formerly the CIA’s Chief of Counterterrorist Operations in Pakistan, has repeatedly described his findings from interviews of Al-Quaeda members the US had captured. Without exception, they were not ideologues. They were desperately poor and the Al-Quaeda pay and death benefits to families were generous. Russia surely must have taken note of this risk after Turkiye/Western aligned forces were able to buy off desititute members of the Syrian army, leading to a very speedy collapse when invaders rolled in.
>Thus the John Mearsheimer notion that Russia wants to make rump Ukraine into a failed state would seem to play into schemes to foment terrorism unless “failed state” means “very seriously depopulated”. Recall we have suggested that Russia could de-electrify Western Ukraine ex Kiev and say Lvov, and reduce it to the level of the Unorganized Territory of Maine. That region has extremely low population density. Its denizens are hardy survivalists often described by Mainers as “men with beards.” But that part of Ukraine also has rich agricultural land, which would argue against letting it go wild.
>So it would seem that Russia either needs to largely vacate the sections of Ukraine that will not have a Russia-friendly post-war population, or assure that it is sufficiently prosperous so as not to serve as a fertile area for hiring terrorists.
>Perhaps there is an active debate in Russian circles on this issue, but Helmer’s latest post suggests that the General Staff is not alive to this risk. From his The Three Stages of the Trump War Begin with the Fifth Column:
<A source in a position to know says: “The rate of east-to-west Ukrainian migration will accelerate and there will be disintegration of the frontline with a breakthrough on any one of the critical axes that will undermine the entire Ukrainian defence east of the Dnieper. Ouster of [Vladimir] Zelensky and [Andrei] Yermak will follow when the Ukrainian commanders cannot order their forces to continue fighting, holding their ground. There will be Russian satisfaction with the new regional lines and the depth of the demilitarized zone westward to Kiev. Of course, Banderite terrorism will continue, but so will the electric war strikes, as well as assassinations from the Russian side in reply. The rump Ukraine will be dysfunctional to the point where day-to-day survival will trump warfighting in terms of allocation of resources.”
<That’s small “t” trump meaning defeat. “There’s no need for the Russians to declare that they are done fighting – the situation speaks for itself. The declaration that matters is that the winner is confident the opponent will never get up again.”
>Admittedly this is one source, who is repeated a vision of the future that Helmer set forth from his General Staff sources early in the electircity war, of a very wide de-militarized zone (the width determined by the longest-range Western missiles that had or could operate in theater, now presumably the Taurus at 500 kilometers). Note this source sees Russia as not taking control of Kiev.
>But what this contact sets forth is essentially an unending low-level war against rump Ukraine, with at least occasional electric grid strikes.
>One would assume that the shape of post-war Ukraine is coming increasingly into focus in political and military circles, as well as in the pundit classes that can influence their views. And there is still likely some path dependency in what comes next. For instance, it may make a difference if Zelensky and others in his inner circle decamp to form a government in exile, as opposed to being expelled from office or executed.
>As we’ve indicated above, doing what Russia can to minimize long-term terrorism risks would seem to be an important objective. My reading of what is admittedly one view (and that view may represent only one faction in the General Staff) says that risk is not given enough credence, unless the plan is to continue low-level operations in rump Ukraine on an open-ended basis.
>I am hampered by not being able to read Russian sources or even the Russian press on a regular basis. Readers who keep on top of the Russian media, Telegram, and think tank output are very much encouraged to speak up. _1 This idea is not as popular in Russia as one might assume, despite the role of Odessa in Russian history. It’s seen as fabulously corrupt and crime ridden, even by Ukrainian standards.
>>2544654CIA, stop projecting.
>>2544633>there isn't enough underclass in the developed worldWhen, not if, the West is cut off from plundering,
militarily, if necessary, the rest of the world, that problem will fix itself. In fact, it's already happening right now - no cheap resources from Russian slaves for you, idiot.
Pound sand, kick rocks, cope, seethe, and listen to the sound of your own extinction.
>>2544676>no cheap resources from Russian slaves for you, idiot.I can live with that, can you?
>>2544672Also, FSB would probably be the wrong directorate, no? I'd imagine it'd be SVR doing influence ops? Or units of the Russian military?
Rhetorical question btw, hopefully we'll drag this one out and see for sure.
I mean I'm really bored of this war now. Russia is decisively winning, albeit slowly, albeit at an accelerating rate. There's little to do other than CHEERING FOR NATO TO DEPLOY GROUND TROOPS TO UKRAINIAN FRONT LINES, so what else is exciting?
>>2544681North America will be fine, but Europe is fucked.
>>2544682Misusing intel agencies on fucking propaganda and "narrative control" is a NATO phenomenon.
>>2544685Everyone does fake news and cognitive warfare ops. What else is new? The American hypocrisy is claiming that Pentagon 37Xers etc don't troll while accusing the Russians of doing it, why should the Russians be as hypocritical?
Once again, SEND NATO GROUND TROOPS TO THE UKRAINIAN FRONT LINES!
>>2544689I'm going to need to see them with their hands in the cookie jar, before I believe such bullshit.
Hold on, let's check in with Glowiepedia.
>The SVR has been noted for multiple false disinformative official public statements. It claimed that the European Union (EU) was planning to use NATO forces to occupy Moldova after the 2025 Moldovan parliamentary election. Specifically, the SVR stated that NATO forces were already present in Romania near the border with Moldova, with the plan purportedly being to carry out a military landing near Odesa in Ukraine; no such intervention came after the election. The SVR also asserted that the Serbian anti-corruption protests taking place at the moment were a EU plot for a "Maidan" in Serbia. As for the 2024–2025 Georgian protests, it alleged that Georgia's Western partners were trying to carry out a colour revolution in Tbilisi, that the United States was plotting a coup ahead of the 2024 Georgian parliamentary election and that the EU was funding student protesters in the country.Where's the disinfo?
>>2544691>EU wasn't funding the student protests it was just funding all the NGOs and the EU citizen president who encouraged the students to protestlmao
>>2544691Haz was originally Russian funded.
Then again, I like Chinese disinfo ops in the US wherein they told people to stock up on medicine and prepare for nasty COVID. Good personal advice is apparently disinfo.
Even if COVID almost certainly isn't a Chinese bioweapon, they really should launch a vax resistant version on the West to cause the West to convulse badly for ages.
I guess I'm just fundamentally waiting for the next American president to get elected on a platform of nuking America, because it's actually believable at this stage.
Can you NAFOids please get the West to send NATO ground troops to the Ukrainian front lines already? I'm getting bored.
Also, we're sort of low NAFOid these days. Funding cuts getting to you yet?
Either that or there's more interesting things to do than looping the exactly same points with the exactly same people five years in a row
>>2544709Hey we're only up to 4 now, and in February.
>>2544113>does it use locally made avionics?yeah, everything, as they are promoting.
>>2544674>>2544575another extract operation like in Mariupol? huh, the only thing Ukies never brag about, except telling how exceptional was.
>>2544717>>2544575I mean it could be staged. Just to make the people in the cauldron fight on, because "help is on the way".
The dropping a hadfull of high value units right on the doorstep of the russians seems like a movie plot when you really think about it.
>>2544662>West: “We’ll make you choke on it.”with more sanctions, I presume. In any case, Russia will held elections, call everyone to vote, if they get a favorable consensus, then it's game over.
>Russia wants as an end-state is a dysfunctional rump Ukrainenot exactly. UR always made economic deals with Ukraine, in fact, never cared if Ukraine joins the EU.
>That presumably includes Russia taking historically Russia-leaning Odessa1 to render what is left of Ukraine landlocked.Now, that'd be for the banderites own good. they deserve to stay locked in.
>However, I have not seen much consideration of what measures Russia can take to reduce the incidence of terrorism in rump Ukraine and the Russian FederationRussians are accustomed, since the era of nato financing Al-Qaeda. Russia always had the largest number of terrorist attacks for two decades, a generation born with that constant threat. It'd be worse for Europe, when the banderites wake up to reality.
>>2544726>It'd be worse for Europe, when the banderites wake up to reality.That does seem like a serious concern. Any banderites not killed by Russia are going to wash up in the US or Canada, I would assume because of the already established communities and financial interests there. It's hard to imagine them laying idle.
>>2544267If that K:D ratio was real then Ukraine would've collapsed long ago. Those are Gulf war level stats
>>2544767It's obviously bullshit but they seem to post it here to cope a bit. Let them be…
>>2544767It obviously isn't
that lopsided. Russia is advancing everywhere and leaving ukrainian bodies and their own dead on their side. Also Ukrainian field commanders don't care about collecting bodies because that means compensation to relatives and they can keep pocketing the wages if they are "missing".
>>2544746and the threat is real. just recently, I posted an
Events in Ukraine story ITT where banderite generals are tire of the American-Russian juden-bolshevik alliance, and that they need to look up for the Asians (alqaeda? isis?) instead.
>>2544837>libs when "rule of law" isn't furthering their agendaI fucking hate that word so fucking much.
Let me tell you how much I've come to hate libs since I began to see.
>>2544837>lawfare"The law" when it's used against people we hate: 😌
"The law" when it's used against people we like: 😠
>>2544767>If that K:D ratio was real then Ukraine would've collapsed long ago. Those are Gulf war level statsNo that isn't how it works. The Iraqi military came apart because the US and friends destroyed command and communications infrastructure and were flanking Iraqi formations inducing panic (bug outs).
The Russians failed to destroy command and communications and the drone war made advances so slow and telegraphed that there have only been a few rare bug outs.
The Ukrainians have through brutality been able to maintain discipline and shovel over a million men into the trenches.
>>2544657The "War On Terror" the "Patriot Act"? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?
>>2544967>The Russians failed to destroy command and communicationsNo, they didn't. They got it off perfectly. They just stopped to negotiate Minsk 3, which Ukraine used, in bad faith, to reform their routed units, mobilize, and get Starlink on top of an assload of Western aid. They considered actually signing Minsk 3, but Boris Johnson put a stop to that. Drone Warfare is actually recent and shooting down satellites is a big no-no.
And you know what? Good. Let Ukrainian nationalism die. Let the West exhaust itself, and Russia get permanently cut off from Europe.
>>2545020Nah, they'll never come to this conclusion. Zelensky is the DEMOCRATIC dictator who PROTECTS DEMOCRACY with HARSH MEASURES
>>2545004Must be an escalation incoming. I can set my clock to escalations whenever these Westoid MSM articles critical of Zelensky drop.
Only mystery is which way the causation goes. Do the Westoids believe they can soften the Russian response with these limited hangouts ("had better not respond harshly - looks like the Westoids are coming around"), or do the articles cause media-focused Zelensky to become desperate and start lashing out? Or maybe they arise from the same cause - Ukrainian battlefield losses causing Westoids to feel safer criticizing Zelensky and the same losses causing him to lash out.
>>2544674Apparently, it took Russia 5 minutes to take them out
>>2545031Pokrovsk
>Russia offers 48-hour ultimatum >Putin offers ceasefire for "journalists">Ukraine sends GUR special forces by Black Hawk in a desperate opYeah, must be some important commanders in there that the Kremlins are trying to release again like in Mariupol…
I get the frustation tbh, nafoids were on cloud nine just a couple of months ago with the small, smokey fires that were going to steal victory away from Russia in the 11th hour, but now we're back to business as usual across here, X, Reddit, etc where all one can do is perform denialism.
>No that CAN'T be the K:D ratio because Ukraine hasn't surrendered yet
>No that city CAN'T be important because Ukraine hasn't bothered to retake it yet
>No there CAN'T be encircled soldiers because Ukraine hasn't retreated yet
>No there CAN'T be funding issues, because Ukraine isn't yelping about a second holodomor yet
>No Russia CAN'T have won the energy infrastructure war already because we've not seen the effect of Flamingos yet
etc, etc
>>2544247Uncritical support to Zelen Tsu
>>2545058Helicopter operation being such a failure puts them into depressed moods
>>2544662>John Helmer has so far provided the most insight, due to his contacts in the General StaffHelmer
claims to have high-level contacts in Russia. That's what he used to justify his Oreshniks-raining-down-on-Kiev sensationalism, the same sensationalism that Mercouris engaged in back in January based on his own claimed Russian contacts (but in a recent video, Mercouris says "unlike Alistair Crooke, I don't have contacts in Russia," either forgetting about his claimed contacts or losing contact with them).
>Scott Ritter has claimedScott Ritter just makes up anything. Russia has been going to retaliate against NATO two million times by now.
I don't know what sensible folks like IntBrig see in these boomers.
Does anyone recognize the music track in the video of the Black Hawk Ukrofail?
https://nitter.net/RWApodcast/status/1984383960370360604Or does anyone know tracks that sound similar?
Good fit for a project I'm working on.
>>2544311Who will mobilize the last mobilizer?
If a ree falls and nobody is around, does it make a sound? 🤔
Very big thread of compilation of ukrianians being vanned
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/520324079>>2545129I wonder how you swing being a recruiter anyway, perhaps it’s a privilege for those in the military already prior to the invasion? You have to somehow prove your dedication to kidnapping people to send to their near certain death? Money? Connections?
I wonder what happens when they run out of men to recruit? Do they then go to the front themselves or do they just flee the country? If flee, are they doing it with Zelensky or are they going their own way?
>>2545166No, what they mean is, Ukraine hasn't provided any videos, and so Ukie channels had to use Russian sources - and they've also cut out the part about Russian drones killing or maiming the 11 people who landed on that heli
>>2545171look at the wording "have not been officially published by our units or GUR resources''. It's clear that they are talking about material that was solely owned by their people, or they thought so.
>>2545173You are overthinking it. It's a video from a Russian ambush drone, followed by footage of drone attacks in the original video, shown by Russian sources. There was no GUR inputs in the video, at all
>>2545194It’s such a dumb name but I’m almost certain that “Flamingo” is just PR, no doubt if this ever comes into service we will see libs trying to excuse Ukrainian troops calling it something probably violent and homophobic
>>2545074Mercouris doesn't claim government contacts. He often mentions this when discussing MoD decisions or Russian ministry of foreign affairs, stating his interpretation then couching it in how nobody there actually talks to him
He runs a community with an open email box where people send him long detailed emails he decides are credible. At most this gives brief insight into things being said. He's not Seymour Hersh
His real value is news aggregation and bringing on actually connected and credentialed people to speak without MSM constraints
>>2545175So much for that
>>2545198Flamingo was a pink missile, if you know what I mean ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
>>2545074The closest thing that I'm finding to what you describe on helmer's site is that he mentions on nov 24th that Putin announced serial production of the oreshnik
<This means there are already, or will shortly be deployed, dozens of Oreshniki missiles for firing at targets in the Ukraine west of the Dnieper River and as far west as the Polish and Hungarian borders.But he goes on to site a source that says
<A Russian source, who does not believe Putin ordered the General Staff to suspend its electric war campaign between August and this month, believes Russian strategy now is “a thousand cuts. The Oreshnik is a particularly deep one but I don’t believe that the Kremlin and General Staff have decided to use it to hit Bankova [street address in Kiev of the presidential offices and living quarters ]. The decapitation threat is real enough though to impel Zelensky to exit, or maybe for the Ukrainian military to get rid of him on their own initiative.”
<“Just as important,” the source says, “the Russian ground offensive in the east will remain slow, patient, maybe for two years more. The priority is on preventing Russian casualties, conserving Russian lives. This is essential once you realize that the [Putin] presidential succession also depends, not only on winning the war on Russian terms, but ensuring the protection of Russian lives.”https://johnhelmer.org/the-ukraine-war-after-the-penny-has-dropped-make-that-the-oreshnik/The most bellicose thing I'm seeing from a source comes in June after the airfield attacks.
<Calling the five airfield strikes terrorism rather than acts of war; dating the operational plan to the Biden Administration, not to Trump; minimizing the physical damage, cost, and number of Tupolev bombers hit; unravelling the logistical details from source of explosives to drone launch; and faulting Russian internal security and airbase defence – these details, comments a well-informed Moscow source, are “beside the point. The reality of this is on Putin. So what did he tell Lavrov to tell Trump through Rubio on Sunday night? What did he tell Medinsky to tell Umerov and Yermak for Zelensky on Monday afternoon? This is now simple strategic either/or and yes or no – no more operational tit for tat. Either Putin told Trump to order de-escalation, or Russia will escalate and destroy the enemy’s capabilities to fight on. This is the Oreshnik moment.”https://johnhelmer.org/when-the-strategy-of-words-fights-the-strategy-of-force-who-wins-the-war/I haven't read all the posts where he mentions oreshniks but so far I'm not seeing what you're talking about.
Jordan Chadwick, 31, who had served in the Scots Guards before joining the Legion in late 2022, was found dead in June 2023, his body bound and dumped in a reservoir near Kramatorsk.
His mother, Brenda Chadwick, was told at the time that the case was being treated as a murder.
On Friday, she told The Telegraph that two years later she still had no answers and feared her son may have been killed by members of his own unit.
“I always knew that Jordan would be in danger while serving out in Ukraine, but I never thought the risk might come from people on his own side,” she said. “If there are witnesses to what happened, I would like to see them give evidence in court.”
The Telegraph’s investigation suggests that on the night of his death, Chadwick had been drinking with other fighters at their base before an argument broke out. He was allegedly restrained with zip ties and driven away by the group’s commander, a British national known by the call sign “Huggs.”
“Huggs” confirmed to The Telegraph that he had been investigated by Ukrainian police but was later cleared. A Ukrainian detective has told the paper that Chadwick’s death appeared to be a “misadventure” rather than murder.
However, The Telegraph noted widespread speculation among foreign fighters in Ukraine that infighting and cover-ups are not uncommon, as Ukrainian officials allegedly overlook internal disputes among fighters, even fatal ones, so long as they continue to serve on the front line.
Chadwick’s death is one of several violent incidents involving foreign nationals in Ukraine. In August 2023, British paratrooper Daniel Burke was shot dead by an Australian-Algerian fighter known as “Jihadi Adam,” who later fled Ukraine. A November 2023 brawl in Kiev also left several members of the International Legion injured.
>>2545508press P to piss on grave
>>2545573Maybe like all nazoids they believe in aesthetics and genuinely thought Virile Ukrohitlerite Spirit would be enough
>>2545508Play stupid games
>>2545591Gotta love fascists when you have the hammer needed to beat their skulls in. They'll Yamato Damashii all they want until they banzai into machine gun fire.
>>2545175This seems to be a pretty big fuckup by Ukrops even for their standard. That together with those flying vibrators they call flamingos and western media slowly turning against Zelensky… There has been talk in Zigger telegram that some western gov behind closed doors are trying to put the blame mostly on zelensky so they can have him replaced with Zalushny , atleast that seems to be the Brits idea.
>>2545636Zalushny fled to bongland didn't he? I mean was made ambassador or something.
>>2545591>>2545573What playing too much Call of Duty Modern Warfare does to a mf.
How they thought it would go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cr9gPue0K8 >>2545573Is 11 dead big for a war going for 3 years?
>>2545772Under these circumstances it is a relatively big get, yeah.
>>2545772It started with Russia panting a flag onto "you are entering Pokrovsk" kind of plaque. Ukraine destroyed the flag with drones. Russia responded by destroying the plaque (which was in Ukrainian colors). All of this was on video, from either side, btw.
Then Ukraine drops 11 men to their deaths just to put a flag onto plaque.
What do you think? Is this big?
>>2545772Those 11 men were supposedly Ukrop spook special forces. The kind of unit where only 1% of soldiers are good enough to pass selection. Add to that years of training.
So yeah a platoon of special forces is worth at least a few hundred regular grunts.
>>2545198I got the impression that the name is playing up to Westoid libs that think it will be an epic win that Russia is attacked by a gay missiles.
>>2545609What's the materialist explanation here?
>>2545881You see comrade, Russian losses are so bad they are forced to train mouse to pilot drone.
>>2545871all that training and equipment and then some russian zoomer flies a 200$ fpv drone into your anal cavity. And for what? Because your commanding officer was ordered to bring a victory in a pol tier shitposting war in a middle of a real war. Result of which would have been forgotten tomorrow anyway.
Such is war in this day and age.
Diabolical dilemma for NAFO:
>Budanov is dead
or
>Budanov isn't as brave as they were hyping and didn't actually join in on the fun
>>2545876People can be sadistic animals.
WTF is a "parachute-free airdrop"? Did they strap troops to rocket landing systems or is this just about the helo feed?
>>2545910Animal exploitation much? First the dolphin warriors, now mice pilots.
Smh
>>2545881Not that it would be justification, but mice and rats are by all accounts absolute fuckers when you're dug in for a significant amount of time.
>>2546034We had a "mouse plague" in rural areas here before COVID. We had to replenish poison and traps each morning and still the fuckers would be everywhere chewing on everything. Oh you left your shoes outside? Too bad they chew them up for the salt. Make sure you don't let your car sit for a day or else they'll make a nest on the engine and chew the wiring!
https://thegrayzone.com/2025/10/29/leaks-eu-us-belarusian-opposition/Leaks expose collapse of EU/US-backed Belarusian ‘opposition’Sviatlana Tsikhanouskaya was hailed by Western governments and media as the savior and rightful leader of Belarus. But leaked emails reveal her increasingly unpopular campaign for power in Minsk nearly collapsed under the weight of corruption scandals and infighting.
>>2546047>>2546049>Ukraine getting encircled and collapsing in multiple key places>Tshokhlekozrqstrysolokaya's color rev project collapsing>Israel too bootyblasted by previous try that they gave up on toppling Iran>EU going bankrupt>Trump seemingly cucking out of the Venezuela war>MSM writing articles about Zelensky being a tyrant and coping about Ukraine losingnature is slowly healing
>>2546194Is that about Bialiatski, the russian Memorial Foundation, or the Venezuelan woman? I couldn't tell, they're all so peaceful…
>>2546231>the russian Memorial Foundationthe anti-communist "84598236 bajilion killed personally by stalin" memorial foundation goes revolutionary defeatist?????
>>2546463>>2546231oh, she's more open than bialiatski. so open, she calls that Venezuela must be the 51st state of the US state (neocon androgynous blob lindsay graham delighted by the idea), that Margarita island will host many trump hotel and trump towers, that the state oil company will not belong to Venezuelans but to american corporations.
since trump started his frontal aggressions on Venezuela since 2017.
she is super open now that trump is in charge. she stop talking about that under biden, because biden wasn't interested in any of that.
but with the caveat that the Venezuelan state never touches her. dunno why, because there's serious will among the public crowd. probably because she's far more powerful.
alright the frontline is collapsing now, right? so like what's a rough timeline till they take kiev and the ukraine gov capitulates?
>Ha! The line hasn’t moved in like 9001 years! Russia already lost!
<Meh! Just because the line has moved that means Kiev will be taken tomorrow?
Who is the audience for this kind of poster?
>>2546524There honestly isn't any guarantee that the gov WILL capitulate, even if the Russians drive all the way to Lvov. They could just set up a gov in exile somewhere.
>>2546573Maybe they're just a (you) addict
>>2546575I wont tolerate this disrespect of korbo
>>2546524>alright the frontline is collapsing now, right? so like what's a rough timeline till they take kiev and the ukraine gov capitulates?The war is based on attrition and has an international basis. The west is willing to expend Ukraine if it thinks it weakens Russia.
If Russia instead grows in power and the West is throwing money into a black hole while increasingly dividing itself over it, then the question isn't the distance of the front lines to Kyiv. It's whether Donbass cracking locally causes a crisis in the West that forces it to negotiate over Ukraine's head.
>>2546582>>2546579>>2546575translation
(about the mind means more 'what I think')
>Valentin Manko is the ex-con bandit who commander-in-chief Syrsky made head of his personal guard, the Assault Forces.Manko is continously attacked by other Ukies milibloggers, and the MP Bezuglaya, for 'leaking' in tiktoks the troops locations (though, of course, can be simply a lie to fool the other side).
anyway, is funny.
>>2546927Oh Luka you scoundrel
>>2546119read the article, enjoy, nafotard :^)
>>2547007Excuse me that's a prehistoric Ukro-Varangian symbol of peace and friendship
>>2547007>>2547029Probably some Canadian “Ukrainian” who has no idea what Azovites talk about in Russian.
>>2547051Never ask a woman her age
Never ask a man his salary
Never ask an Ukrainian-Canadian what his family was doing in 1941
>>2547063Ukrainian-Canadians in 1941 were predominantly pro-Soviet and anti-Nazi. They were such a minority that it took USSR's dissolution for Nazi worshippers to finally break the ideological blockade and start spreading Holodomor lies and other nonsense and for people to listen to them
>>2547072Didn't the Canadian government import copious amounts of Banderites and Hitler-collaborators after the war? Much of the Banderite lobby was based in Canada after WW2.
>>2547073They were a minority and not welcome in Ukrainian community. That's the thing, they had to use government help to get anywhere, and they bitched about this fact endlessly
>>2547083what the fuck, Macedonians shit once a week? And Italians 50 fucking 5 times?! Are they, like, shitting 8 times a day? HOW?!
>>2547082Interesting, I'd love to hear more. My impression has always been that the "White emigre" types dominated the Ukrainian-Canadian cultural scene during most of the cold war. I have heard of pro-Soviet attitudes during and before WW2 though. What changed to make them more welcome?
>>2547085Incessant lobbying and government preferring nazis over communists, obviously. You can read Tottle's fraud, famine and fascism, he goes over it, although not super in depth.
Majority of Ukrainian emigres at the time were from Czarist times, and they had huge sympathies for the Soviets, like rest of the working class worldwide, really. I assume that Cubans in Florida were the same for a long while, until relatively recently.
>>2546524>so like what's a rough timeline till they take kiev and the ukraine gov capitulates?This question is legitimate, but it's been wielded by bad-faith posters many times.
The truth is nobody knows. The Zelensky regime is particularly stubborn, and there's no solid indication that the Kremlin is willing to push to Kiev from the east or start a new front from the north. Everything happening outside the four oblasts annexed in 2022 looks like infantry diversions or diplomatic pressure tactics rather than something more ambitious.
>>2547093>Russia isn’t the world policeOkay? This is apologia for US imperialism. Cool meme lol
>>2546524Hard to tell, depends on whether Ukraine keeps receiving the same amount of Western support or more and whether they can have the TCC start drafting their 18-20 year olds without provoking a revolt. This is a war of attrition so they can make it last quite a few years more if they start scraping the barrel, but the political situation in Ukraine is already precarious and it's uncertain just how much Ukraine is capable of sacrificing.
If we say that at this point in time they don't receive any more foreign support and don't draft any more soldiers, they'll collapse fully within a year and Russia will roll across a devastated Ukraine unopposed, but obviously that isn't happening.
Le interimperialist conflict
>>2547085IIRC the pre-WWII immigrants to Canada were mostly from before 1917. These were mostly people fleeing the Tzar and looking for land to farm.
The Nazis collaborators came after WWII and tried to take over Ukrainian-Canadian social clubs etc (with assaults and firebombings) but were resisted because of the socialist leanings of most of those communities. It was only in the late '70s and '80s as the socialist movement started to die off and the Ukrops invented the Hoaxdomor that they started to dominate the diaspora.
I noticed you ziggers got uppity once again and started huffin that strong kremlin hopium. Ukraine collapse status?
It's funny that every time Ukraine has the slightest success in a local counter-attack that NAFOids come out of the woodwork to drop racial slurs.
>>2547151They realized they can't defeat Russia and they're destabilizing Europe. Not to mention Ukraine.
>>2547129Why is it up to Russia to fight the US everywhere Washington chooses to imperialise, especially when they’re already fighting a US proxy on their own borders? Or that they don’t have CIA-tier omnipresence throughout the world is somehow a failing?
Do you see how it’s apologia for US imperialism yet?
>>2547144You are the minority here.
>uppitylol
>>2547151>racial slurs.I have literally never used such slurs online, but I find ziggers very funny from the moment i saw it so I use it.
And to be honest I find it less bad than orc, mongol horde, pidor etc.
You cant deny it stuck because it a nice one.
>>2547282Russian are funny because they will whine their crocodile tears about supposed russophobia while being white, being the top dogs of a multiethnic empire they settler colonized, having a seat at the security council and also the most amount of nukes. Can't fault the guys who wrote the protocols for inventing the idea that there some sort of "globalist" racist conspiracy against them I guess.
>>2547325The only people hating Russia are NATO-aspiring white trash like Ukrainians and Baltics
>>2547177>if you expect a country that is allied to you to defend you, then you're just doing apologia for the USA!!!!what would you have said about czechoslovakia in '38? that expecting britain and france to be the world police was just "not in their power, and responsibility"? that saying such was "apologia for nazi germany"?
>>2547325>the empire would never promote racialized propaganda against its geopolitical rivals, trust me bro! it's all in their heads bro!russophobia and sinophobia are real
also russians are schrodinger's whites who are only white when they're being useful to the west
>>2547093Tbf they've kinda got their hands full.
>>2547330So basically literally all their neighbours. Really gets your noggin joggin…
>>2547325<muh russians are whiteread literally any history brainlet, look at literally any WW2 propaganda about russians, look at how the nazis treated ethnic russians in ww2. THEY DID NOT TAKE PRISONERS, EASTERN EUROPE IS FULL OF MASS FUCKING GRAVES BECAUSE THEY EXTERMINATED CIVILLIAN AND MILITARY SLAVS RATHER THAN CAPTURING THEM YOU FUCKING RETARD FAGGOT
>>2547366yet they also had many russian collaborators, and if you seriously think the nazi's racial policy was contingent on them being "white" rather than the even more nebulous category of "aryan" then you need to open up a book about nazi policy
>>254736530 years of anticommunist propaganda that conflates communism and russia will do that to ya
>>254737880 years of communist propaganda and still everybody hates Russia and communism…
>>2547414Counterrevolution is a bitch
>>2547414>EverybodyNo, only in your bubble lol
>>2547325>Russian are funny because they will whine their crocodile tears about supposed russophobia while being white>WhiteSure buddy
>>2547376>yet they also had many russian collaboratorsPer capita baltics had higher amounts of collaborators, and what does the rest have to do with anything. You are the one coming up with the idea they are considered white. Have you ever met a Ukrop nationalist? Heck, have you ever looked at their official propaganda? They want to be considered "white" so fucking bad.
>>2547335Clearly you don’t see.
>>2547437no i don't, because you have a brain tumor driven by spite
>>2547335>what would you have said about czechoslovakia in '38?The Soviet Union already did.
>>2547442serious question: what compelled you to post this and how easy is it for you to acquire a firearm to commit seppuku with
>>2547442Yes
I'm sorry if this sounds racist but from what ive seen slavic women aged very badly compared to Asian women
>>2547325There is no multiethnic settler empire in Russia
You're just coping with how European racism was laid bare by this war.
>>2547051>has no ideaah, c'mon, the morons built nazi collaborators statues, one after the other, along Canada. they know. simply pretend to fool people.
look how he behaves towards Palestine.
that's your clue.
problem is, their accusation is confession.
So nuclear war over Ukrops when?
>>2547457Europe is as bad as Russia, also you defended a finish white nationalist two threads ago because he wrote a book about muh russophobia.
>>2547657I think I'm gonna heil hitlers and slava ukrainis for a bit, wake me up when Kiev has fallen and the west has fallen.
tommelhogs stadus?
>>2547282You find it funny because you get to say the n-word without being banned. It is all very simple. Unfortunately most of the moderators are reactionaries.
>>2546985why do you post obvious ragebait?
>>2547625fucking hell, fuck ukrops drone operators
>>2547629Yea sure. Also that's a non sequitur.
>>2547325>about supposed russophobia while being whitewow, I teleported to the time line where hitler never existed.
>being the top dogs of a multiethnic empire they settler colonizedah, yeah, I guess the USSR "settler colonized" what later on remained as Russia.
see, the problem with your argument is that Russia existed out the vacuum, and the USSR didn't exist. giving many rights to minorities and integrating their cultures to the general culture of everyone. basically, you are jealous that Europe never had a communist revolution that could integrate people the same way.
>>2547629>also you defended a finish white nationalist two threads ago because he wrote a book about muh russophobia.I guess these are also
le bad people.
>>2547873yup, the same and only.
and yes, the same way some libtards from UK tried to use Harry v Voldemort to explain geopolitics to the world.
>>2547376>yet they also had many russian collaboratorsnot an argument.
>was contingent on them being "white" rather than the even more nebulous category of "aryan" then you need to open up a book about nazi policyyou are leaving the part where they argued that 'aryans' are the
true white. or to be
truly white=aryan.
hitler's own words:
>“After a thousand years and more, the last visible trace of the former master people is often seen in the lighter skin colour which its blood left behind in the subjugated race…”>What we see before us of human culture today, the results of art, science, and techniques, is almost exclusively the creative product of the Aryan.>All who are not of good race in this world are chaff.These sequence of arguments presented by hitler placed everything else like not aryan=not white.
himmler himself
>One basic principle must be the absolute rule for the SS man: we must be honest, decent, loyal, and comradely to members of our own blood and to nobody else. What happens to a Russian, to a Czech does not interest me in the slightest. What the nations can offer in the way of good blood of our type, we will take, if necessary by kidnapping their children and raising them here with us. Whether nations live in prosperity or starve to death interests me only in so far as we need them as slaves for our Kultur; otherwise, it is of no interest to me. Whether 10,000 Russian females fall down from exhaustion while digging an anti-tank ditch interests me only in so far as the anti-tank ditch for Germany is finished
>Russia became the stepping stone for where the subhuman ideology and doctrine burst forth against the world of light.your argument is misleading, and reads like a truly smugnorant, and a retard.
>>2548342>smugnorantThis is my new favourite word lmao
>>2548368Was there anytime, beyond azovstal, that Russians actually encircled and got pows? I mean every time I see the same maps and rhetoric but never seen the actual thing.
Yeah, I remember there was a line of pows, seen that video dont know anymore when that was.
>>2548384>that Russians actually encircled and got pows?Surely that’s predicated by the surrender of Ukrainian troops by Kiev, which they never do and the troops themselves are seemingly at risk of being shot, shelled or droned if they choose to disobey orders and flee.
It seems that ironically Ukraine encapsulates every Hollywood stereotype about Russians at war, but libs are willing to throw off decades of conditioning to believe
>Russians wastefully use human wave tactics with blocking detachments exclusively >This kills so many that actually perhaps Napoleon, NATO or even Hitler winning might be better for the Russians anywayTo instead say it’s only right that Ukrainian troops should never be allowed to surrender under threat of blocking drones nor opt out of serving in the first place, because it’s an unprovoked war of defence and thus it’s better to be exterminated than accept evil winning alive *throws a rebel fist in the air, somewhere in western Europe*
>>2547376>yet they also had many russian collaboratorsThey took them once they were losing
Nazi racial policy towards slavs was a very extreme view of a wider European one seeing Russians as asiatic, inferior, and in the context of today's world unable to form a European nation state that fits the EU/NATO mosaic that destabilizes the former USSR and Ukraine, causing this war.
Europe attempts to falsify this and pretend it's a democracy war despite numerous contradictions. Ukraine is not a democracy and the world does not see Russia as a racial supremacist or colonial state. It also does not believe Europe has a problem with European colonial empires, what with America and NATO attempting to consolidate them after collapse
when will cuckraine and puccia stop shooting each other and bring back the USSR
serious answers only
>>2548417Soviet union was a product of failed reform and collapse of Europe
Russia has a mostly stitched together modern path now thanks to world development and doesn't rely on Europe
I think we entered this century supposed to have a rise of socialism in advanced countries but it hasn't worked out. The crisis of capitalism was turned into dumb wars for liberal democracy or western civ instead
how the fuck is the russ-ukro thread always high up when literally nothing is happening?
>>2548449Nafoids periodically (every day) come here to prove something
>>2548449Ziggers need to practice their methodichka for why the 2 day SMO is now 1.350 days
>>2548411>we totally encircled the Ukrainians >btw the town fell two years ago according to Herasymov's mapsThis champagne zigger is always a hilarious coper
>>2548480there was no 2 day smo. there was however a war to reassert american unipolarity, restore the russian 90s, rebirth ukraine, overcome EU divisions, and isolate china. instead we got an impossible war of attrition against russia that is achieving the opposite these things
>>2548449Constant great russian chauvinism of the flagfags, it will only stop when Russia scrapes the barrel and enlists the disabled
>>2548490>scrapes the barrel and enlists the disabledIt didn’t stop the nafoids and that was already years ago
>>2548486Who are you quoting?
>>2548476You are supposed to wait two or three weeks to say it don't mattered anyway, not four days after sending your elites troops in a suicidal mission
Russia actually retaliated against NATO with undersea ocean cable cutting. Internet speeds for internet porn in the Baltics dropped precipitously. For the average NAFOid, this is much more of a tragedy than anything else that can happen.
>>2548621And it doesn't hurt civilians who aren't guilty
After all of this I have to conclude American psyops is behind the emergence of the Alt Right. Thanks Langley!
>>2548449if nothing ever happens, how did you replied to the thread?
Le interimperialist conflict
>>2548912What did Ethiopia do to them?
>>2548912Why is #Exsyria written like this, does he hate it the most? It's basically dismantled already man
>>2548927haven't you heard? Putin now loves isis because they latter left the Russian bases.
gunther didn't get the memo, and doesn't know that the Caesar sanctions were lifted.
>>2548480funny because the main thing making this thread the most active is nafotards like you trolling it
>>2549127Cry moar about it zigger boy
>>2549127at this point it's too pedestrian to comment on, literally everyone knows ukraine has normalized nazism and everyone in the west is fine with supporting it as long as they oppose ruzzia, it's what you gotta live with
>>2549142it's 2025, and we still have these people:
>>2546985 >>2549142What inevitably needs to be lived with is the consequences of normalising Nazism.
>>2549164I think my shitposting gone too far so you are right I should commit sudoku :/
Who is the Mr. Shelomov?
>>2549275you make sure you get killed properly. Frag your CO while you are at it.
>>2549275I'd rather constantly break my legs than be involved in an interimperialist war.
>>2549275He looks content
>>2549275Cut off your toe, or two or whole foot, before the mandatory conscription becomes punishable by law
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