plenty of NATO soldiers have volunteered in ukraine and gotten their shit rocked, idk what OP is smoking
Ahaaaa
<Fake: Russia targeted a kindergarten in Kharkiv. Volodymyr Zelenskyy stated this.
>Truth: The strike targeted a drone assembly plant. Footage from the scene indicates that the main target was the large red building where the drones were assembled.
>This same block had been hit before; for example, on the night of January 17, 2024, a Ukrainian Armed Forces and French mercenary positions were hit.
>No kindergarten is shown on various maps of the block. The building at 7 Kotsarska Street houses the Honey café and a law firm, not a childcare facility. However, the strike targeted the large red building next door, which houses the drone assembly plant at Kharkiv National Technical University.
>It's telling that the Honey café employees who claimed the strike hit a civilian facility had previously actively supported the Ukrainian Armed Forces, specifically holding charity events to support the Nazi special forces unit "Kraken" of the Ukrainian Main Intelligence Directorate (GUR), whose militants were "notorious" for torturing and murdering prisoners.
>No children are visible in the initial videos from the landing site. Presumably, they were "brought in" later, along with professional photographers who staged a photo shoot about the supposed evacuation of the children.
>The main, emotional video shows the work of a supposed rescuer, who, along with a team, is conducting a search and rescue operation. However, sneakers are visible in the frame, which cannot be used by a real rescuer. This suggests that the cameraman is not a rescuer, but a media personality engaged in the production of fake content.
>The toys and scooters at the scene are all clean, without a speck of dust, despite the supposed serious impact and fire. This suggests they could have been planted later.
>It's telling that the new fake news about the alleged shelling of civilians appeared just before the announced meeting between Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump. Kyiv has previously staged similar provocations on numerous occasions ahead of various summits, meetings, and negotiations, thereby attempting to disrupt them.
the rescuer isn't using the appropriate shoes. the money for the proper shoes, were stolen and sent to buy 5 billions rockets to bomb Donetsk.
>>2532458Son, if you kids are gonna be lazy about making new threads, I'm gonna make the threads myself to show what a man with initiative can do. I've graciously started giving you kids plenty of time.
>>2532468kyiv always lies about everything
Inb4 NAFOids and putinistas troll the thread to death again, because that's all I see here.
Trufax: EURRUB only 15% lower than prewar level, Russian GDP growth faster than EU, 20% Russian government debt to GDP, 200-400k Russians dead with 3-5x that number wounded and Russians generally don't care.
If anyone has good, high quality war analysis instead of copium / hoping pipelines, please post.
Dear Ukrops / NAFOids, did you know that North Korea lost 10-20% of their population fighting South Korea and UN forces? That North Vietnam took 12.5% of population casualties?
Guess where 1.3 million Russians comes out to? Less than 1%. Got another 30 years of this war before the Russians get bored.
IntImp i.e. Inmp i.e. Imp i.e. 'mp i.e. 'm
Russia is bogged down again and Ukraine is not collapsing, therefore putinistas are a bit agitated…
Ukraine is accruing debt to debt to the tune of 17-20% a year. IMF is trying to get Ukraine to devalue the Hryvinia.
>>2532776Ukraine has received more help than USSR with Lend-Lease, and yet Ukraine isn't winning. Why?
One state’s “winning hearts and minds” is another state’s cuckoldry
winning hearts and minds blowing up one kindergarten at a time, did russia just copy burger homework or what
>>2532864Why do you never use capital letters?
oh no not my drone factory…i mean, kindergarten
Do you guys genuinely believe the West is going to accept the collapse of Ukraine and Russia's demands? Like do you genuinely believe that the West is on the ropes and desperately losing?
US/EU is more than happy to split up Ukraine at the current borders so they can parasitize off the 80% while Russia takes the people and resources of the other 20%.
But allowing Russia to take it all? Or allowing a "neutral" Ukr a.k.a one that is fully sovereign and not under Western influence?
What makes you think the West is just going accept that? The US lost 55k of its own people in Vietnam, a war with much less at stake than here. The US spent 8 trillion on Iraq and Afghanistan, two occupations that no one in history will ever be able to explain why it happened because it's so pointless.
But now at this crucial moment, they will just give up Ukraine? Where does your confidence come from? The most likely end to this war is either Russian defeat or ceasefire and splitting up of Ukraine between the two imperialist groups.
>>2532902Doesn't matter what the West wants unless they're willing to send their own armies and risk a nuclear war or missiles raining down on their own territories. Ukraine was never a Western puppet until 11 years ago. They lived with it that way for centuries and can do so again.
Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan could not threaten the West. And it's easy to explain why these things happened: hegemony. They wanted to use 9-11 as the excuse to remake the Middle East at a time when they had no viable enemies. Russia was still recovering from the 90s and China had yet to rise. They could fuck with the periphery however they wanted with no prospect of reprisal other than some troops dying in the target country.
The west will bitch and moan, steal and do terrorism from the sidelines as much as they can but they won't go to war because they can't.
>>2532677War of aggression vs war of defence. Less than 1% of Ukrainians have died as well.
But either way, the Spirit to die by the millions for the nation no longer exists, anywhere in the world. Especially in the modern context of countries having nukes where true conquests of the nuclear armed nation is impossible.
>>2532902A (in lib terms) independent sovereign Ukraine outside of western military jurisdiction was already the state of affairs for 24 years (from '91 to maidan). Consented to by a western consensus in a far more secure hegemonic position than now. There was no need to forcibly extract labour and recourses from what was a transitioning free market state that was open to capital investment.
What changed was the inevitable contradictions in capitalist relations creating an unsustainable political economy both internally and abroad. The national project of ukraine was transitioning too slowly, envisioning itself as a nation state ran foul of significant linguistic minority populations acting in their rational self interest. Degrading labour rights and financialization was occuring too slowly for global capital that needed to aggressively expand the borders and deprivation of extraction to delay a quickening crisis of profit. Creating this deregulatory nationalist state that is geopolitically untenable as the periphery borderland that it is.
The US should not be in this position to begin with, there shouldn't be a periphery war with a revisionist competitor because post '91 eurasia was to be brought into the fold of global capital. As a subsidiary subject of a MNC's rather than as a negotiated partner with self sufficient bourgeois; whom have accelerated the crisis of profit through demanding 'their cut' of surplus.
That it is therefore is empirical proof of decline that will demand accommodation with competitor states.
>>2532902>two imperialist groupsNATO and the USA is one, no need to call them two groups.
>>2532948>But either way, the Spirit to die by the millions for the nation no longer existsIt seems that Russia has found a way by paying poor people blood money to suicide themselves in the front.
>>2532902>is going to accept not like they will have a choice
>US/EU is more than happy to split up Ukraine at the current borders the borders are not "frozen" no matter how much nafoids cope, and ukraine has not an unlimited population and the west doesnt appear to be able to give them infinite money either
>is just going accept thatbecause again they wont have a choice. politically nobody want to die for ukraine
>two occupations that no one in history will ever be able to explain why lol retard, I can explain why. Iraq : safeguarding petrodollars, securing israel. Afghanistan : extremely valuable geostrategic position, heroin production. In short, imperialism.
>Where does your confidence come fromrational analysis of material forces
>ceasefire and splitting up of Ukraine between the two imperialist groupsfirst, there is only one imperialist group you retard
second the whole point of the exercise was to prevent nato at this border, so its more likely it will turn into a low intensity border conflict once russia doesnt want to advance rather than accepting a ceasefire that would allow nato to move in
>>2533031Weird, its like artillery and material advantages matter in a real war.
<no significant news today on the fate of the Russia-US tunnel
>>2532602remember the moron that spent half a thread of the last thread saying that "RuZZian ziggers make excuses for an army that bombs kindergartens"?
no signs of him and his kindergarten after almost 12 hours past my post. guess he doesn't care about kindergartens anymore.
>>2533071he has more popular places to push nafo propaganda to, only a small part of his workday is dedicated to leftypol
>>2533084Tbh it’s more pro-Ukrainians promoting the idea that every game changer Ukraine has received was won via intense protest against “Russian Propagandists” providing pushback against sending x,y,z for reasons a,b,c. I don’t think the pro-Russian/anti-NATO side have for years been denying that NATO will consider sending anything, it’s more scrutiny of how effective each system will be in the numbers they would be sent.
I thought the proxy privilege Ukraine enjoyed ended at the demand for authorising the use of NATO missiles to target recognised Russian territory, but that’s where I was wrong and thus driving Leopard tanks into Kursk didn’t come as a surprise despite the obvious implication, but who outside of 2022 doesn’t think Zelensky ultimately always gets what he demands to be
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❗️Foliage, stems, tree branches, grass, moss and lichens are now also prohibited from being supplied to Russia, according to the 19th package of EU sanctions.
>>2533125Fuck man, what’s next? Water pumps to target the various water fountains and features Putin famously has at his 50 secret mansions?
>>2533114>I thought the proxy privilege Ukraine enjoyed ended at the demand for authorising the use of NATO missiles to target recognised Russian territory, but that’s where I was wrong and thus driving Leopard tanks into Kursk didn’t come as a surpriseOnce you ignore the idiots who are calling for Lvov and DC to be turned to glass and who thereby poison all discussion of reestablishing a little deterrence, there's a legitimate criticism that allowing NATO direct strikes on Russian soil (SS and ATACMS require direct UK and US approval, as has been painfully explained to us a hundred times by Russian officials and as was confirmed in recent Westoid reporting) and doing nothing is not only highly misguided but also downright bizarre. Well, I suppose Russia fired that gravity-payload Oreshnik at Dnipro in response to the first SS/ATACMS violation, but how did that cause any discomfort for NATO? tbf, the message of "this could be your country" DID seem to work for over half a year because the NATO-driven SS/ATACMS strikes on Russian soil stopped until recently, but it seems time and the unwillingness of Putin to inconvenience NATO has killed the effect to such a degree that NATO officials are appearing in the Westoid press saying that giving Ukraine more advanced weapons will result in only some more nuclear bluster and a few more intense strikes on Ukraine. IOW, they feel comfortably detached from their puppet state.
>>2533167 (me)
https://www.irishtimes.com/world/europe/2025/10/16/trump-is-considering-tomahawk-missiles-for-ukraine-are-they-a-game-changer/
>A senior Nato official said Moscow would likely respond with “irresponsible rhetoric that includes a little bit of nuclear sabre-rattling” along with increased attacks along the front line and “some larger strikes” inside Ukraine. ngl, if I were in charge of US security policy, Russia's escalation to an advanced IRBM would've terrified me, and I would've advised pumping the brakes, that Ukraine wasn't worth it. But then watching Putin lavish Trump with praise for a year (even after Trump insulted Russia as a paper tiger) would've made me question my judgment. It's a really bad case of what the boomers call Nice Guy behavior and what the zoomers call simp behavior.
>>2533167>there's a legitimate criticism that allowing NATO direct strikes on Russian soil (SS and ATACMS require direct UK and US approval, as has been painfully explained to us a hundred times by Russian officials and as was confirmed in recent Westoid reporting) and doing nothing is not only highly misguided but also downright bizarreAgreed, but what would be a worthy retaliation? It's obvious that there's literally nothing Russia could strike within Ukraine that would deter Britain/France from continuing to authorise Storm Shadow attacks both on claimed Russian territory and more recently recognised Russian territory.
They could strike British or French military or economic assets in Poland or the Baltics, but that would be treated as an attack against the latter as well as the former, so that's now multiple countries doing the Article 5 thing which likely won't lead to much to begin with but if Poland or (lol) the Baltics decide they're going to use that as an excuse to openly start fighting in Ukraine, then the situation can escalate into full blown conflict as Poland and the Balts start suffering more than they thought under Britain and France's protection, their neighbours start panicking that significant damage to Poland/Balts without nuclear retaliation means they're also now at risk, etc. It's just a sad reality that Russia is one decision making centre that Russia can control, while NATO is a conglomerate of 32 decision making centres nebulously dedicated to assisting whatever decisions each other have made.
They could use subs or ICBMs to attack Britain or France directly with conventional missiles, but everything written down in their doctrine assumes either attack is nuclear, thus we don't even need to wait for the escalation spiral, it quite likely their retaliation will immediately be nuclear.
It's a pretty shit situation for Russia and absolutely NATO are loving how exploitable their proxy is to do the unthinkable and strike Russia itself, but that doesn't mean a smug awareness of the circumstantial loophole in Cold War logic they have will allow them to impromptu override their own Cold War-era contingency for when Russia directly attacks NATO by their own hand and not via a proxy in kind.
Perhaps Russia is retaliating and that's why NATO officials keep dying in "unfortunate hiking accidents", but no one has the incentive to admit the deaths of NATO personnel in Ukraine, much less openly admit it's by Russia's doing if everyone wants to avoid triggering the obvious contingencies. But ultimately I think short of following NATO down the escalation spiral openly into possibly WW3, nothing is going to deter Britain/France or the US with ATACMS for that matter, when these strikes are Ukraine's best hope to cause some kind of economic or military commotion within Russia that ultimately rescues them from a military defeat they're currently doing everything to deny to themselves.
Ironically, if Zelensky unilaterally signing that "fast track" form to NATO membership is wrote up himself in Microsoft Word was actually accepted, but naturally on the condition that their current conflict isn't one that other members have to retroactively start WW3 over (big if, I know), that loophole would have been closed and I don't think we'd see Ukraine being provided with half the givas they've received.
And ultimately, despite the obvious differences between the Cold War and now, i.e
>Weapons are too computerised, networked, conditional on authorisation and operational inputs from their countries of origin to be "donate-able"
>NATO's continued existence with no comparable Russian alliance means proxies are no longer foreign, low-stakes conflicts conducted in lieu of "real" wars
that ought to change the convention that proxy wars.. are in fact proxy wars, Russia can't independently change that convention by attacking NATO directly over it.
>>2533257>Perhaps Russia is retaliating and that's why NATO officials keep dying in "unfortunate hiking accidents"I've wondered if some of these incidents we see like the Chevron oil refinery exploding in California are covert retaliation ops, but they're just so sporadic to look like anything more than what one would expect from chance.
There also appear to be no cyber ops, no kompromat leaks, nothing, and that makes me think maybe I've watched too many movies.
Russia's own loophole is that if it does something and denies it, 3/4 of the world isn't going to trust what the Westoids say. I'm not a technical expert by any means so won't insist on pushing this too strongly, but it strikes me as odd that there's nothing Russia can do about all those ISR drones and satellites that are critical for Ukraine's operations.
>>2533309 (me)
>there's nothing Russia can do about all those ISR drones and satellites that are critical for Ukraine's operations.I am aware, tho, that this discussion has been poisoned too by all the Karlin types who gave up on Putin when he wouldn't 'show imagination' by Kessler'ing Western satellites.
>>2533309If they are Russia’s doing, then the sporadic nature of ammo factories blowing up, oil refineries burning, trains derailing, etc is easily explained as just being harder to achieve than NATO just directly launching missiles/drones at Russia and then throwing their hands up and reminding everyone that the convention was that armed proxies are not stand-ins for the real military.
>There also appear to be no cyber ops, no kompromat leaks, nothing, and that makes me think maybe I've watched too many movies. Similarly, this may be happening, but Russia taking down much of the internet for an entire day and causing potentially similar amounts of economic damage to oil facility strikes, can easily become an accident caused by AI generated code.
>there's nothing Russia can do about all those ISR drones and satellites that are critical for Ukraine's operationsTaking out the satellites would be a bit loud and almost certainly going to involve collateral damage and retaliation, so it’s probably easier sever the connection between the receiving dish somewhere in NATO and Kiev, or between Kiev and the front line troops. Again, that may result in a very successful advance for Russia or perhaps it’s disrupting Ukraine’s plans for more counteroffensivyivs
Perhaps Russia really is doing nothing to retaliate, but I think there’s a few signs here and there that may suggest otherwise and we don’t hear about it because there’s more value in having NATO cover up such scandals than PR wins of confirming that Russia hackers are in your pacemaker, your self driving car, your porn folder, etc. Russian spies are spilling toxic waste all over your landscape and blowing up factories that might be too close to your home for comfort.
>>2532776Actually, the nafoids are mad about the imminent loss of Pokrovsk, but I struggle to celebrate such underachiever gains myself. Maybe Tank was right all along and that it's pathologically unhealthy to pin one's hopes on a Yeltsinite lib.
>>2533346the other side is simply paying for american invaders and occupation forces, because the US is shutting down, while volkswagen is planning to do a massive job cuts next year.
I pondered, and I prefer the side that has some more balls.
>>2533403>”Listen up NATO!”<Captures more territoryI mean “stunning” is an overstatement, but it gets a reaction doesn’t it?
>>2532902And North Korea lost 2 million people fighting the Americans. Beijing is more likely to cut America's throat if the Russian vassal can't hold, and Beijing is loaded.
The entire war is based off the notion that the West is da best, all powerful, etc, and that Russia can't do jack shit.
Guess what? Russia lost 200-400k men, but Russia's winning, and China won't allow Russia to lose.
The actual moral atrocity is that the West isn't interested in going balls to the wall, that it's not interested in Ukraine actually winning, just having Ukrainians get drafted and turned into cannon fodder to bleed the Russians.
We don't have accurate counts of Ukrainian dead, but a lower limit is Zelenskyy 's 37k, and Ualosses' 80k. I would suspect something in the 150-300k range, but it won't be possible to tell before a couple of decades after the end of the war. Too political.
>>2533430>Russia lost 200-400k men, but Russia's winningPeople say the strangest things.
>>2533405I dare say he may mean it for the Tomahawks (tho within Ukraine like Oreshniks raining down on Kiev or such). Quite a few commentators converging on the view that he's been facing a lot of internal pressure from the Russian political and military classes, the fear being that his extreme risk aversion is inviting the very catastrophes it seeks to avoid.
>>2533346Russia can take 10 years to capture Donbass for all I care, but as long as it depletes Western stockpiles and costs them aid money into a debt-trapped hovel, I'm happy.
The war isn't about Russian territorial gains, it's about the European inflation spike and economic collapse, the rise of AfD and the weakening of the Atlanticist center, the war propaganda regime in Europe that delegitimizes liberalism, and more.
If Merz is gone next German election, or Macron is replaced by Jordan Bardella, I'd count that as a win. And if the rightoid fascists don't do what they're told, well, we kill them. After Hitler, our turn.
>Azov leader Andriy Biletsky criticized Hitler from the right
>In his article 'social nationalism', he argues that German national socialism gave too many social benefits to 'racially inferior' elements of society', which then multiplied
>This 'decreased the number of Nordics'.
lmao…
>>2533434To reach just North Vietnamese levels, 14 million Russians would have to die. You're a liberal squirt somehow assuming revolutionary peoples would blanche at the right of blood.
>>2533437I get it, but I stopped relying on futurecasting when the Soviet Union fell. I don't know if you're old and wretched like me, but many of these economic tales used to appear from Western comrades in the '80s.
>>2533438Listen I'm as pro Russia as they come, but I don't ignore reality. This is TERRIBLE news. I think China is tired of this farce and telling Russia to end it.
>>2533438China always gets what it wants in the end; the entire point is that the National Marxist Zaibatsu has a huge network of shell companies and SMEs. If Sinopec isn't buying directly, a shitton of private and public fronts will buy, then sell to Sinopec.
Remember, the Western media always lies to you. You're winning and slaughtering the Taliban and Viet Cong, until Afghanistan has fallen and the Viet Minh's in Saigon.
>>2533438>>2533449It's just the next cycle of headcanon from Reuters and Bloomberg that gets destroyed by Russian/Chinese/Indian/Martian officials within 48 hours.
China has already shit on the reports, in fact.
>>2533445Ehh, the Western 80s were terrible, but Gorbachev was in power in the Soviet Union. If it had been anyone else, the US would have raced to a bubble and lost.
Tbh, I personally expect Moscow to reach Kharkiv as a feint, but take Sloviansk / Kramatorsk before it's over. Ukraine needs to be saddled with 150+% debt to GDP; Russia's victory condition has never been annexing Ukraine, but inducing the overthrow of the Zelenskyy government.
>>2533438>ReutersFell for the psyop again
>>2533430>Russia lost 200-400k menConsult the corpse exchange rates
>>2533031 >>2533512<"If we take 'Putin's money,' he will take ours" — the prime minister complains.But I thought EU and the West as a whole are invincible against economic warfare???
>>2533512>so Russia has "EU money", huh? interesting admission.Every European investment in Russia could be seized to cover the bill. Also Russia could go after for example Euroclear assets in other jurisdictions outside of the west to get their money back.
>>2533530Russia is in the west
>>2533512>so Russia has "EU money", huh? interesting admission.No its just European porkies afraid of their own private property and he represents their interests.
>>2533438I like how the cucktinist crow, obsessed with "Putin's redlines", haven't mentioned that trump crossed his own red line when he said multiple times that sanctions by themselves are unlikely to end the war.
kudos for the deafening silence.
>>2533483the Fake News is really ramping up. Basically assume anything about Russia, China or anything related is BS until proven otherwise.
>>2533492To be fair, a lot of it is likely due to the fact that Ukraine doesn't collect corpses almost at all. They don't want to pay the surviving family members anyway, so why would they collect those?
>>2533600What makes Trump a cuck is that he won't dump Zelensky after Zelensky's role in the first impeachment (and likely an assassination attempt).
But if a foreign power were launching missile strikes on the American homeland, Trump wouldn't sit back and take that, and you know it.
>>2533430>Russia lost 200-400k menI think those numbers are only bad if compared directly to yankee war on terror numbers, which is apples and oranges. Ieds aren't drones and survivability goes way up if you can medivac from virtually anywhere to a hospital at a whim. But with drones nixing helicopters that capability pretty much evaporates, which the Americans have admitted is likely to be true for them also if they ever get into a peer level conflict like this.
>>2533512>"If we take 'Putin's money,' he will take ours" Not necessarily. He's kept giving gas to economies that are trying to destroy his, for instance, and some Russian officials have laid out Russia's legal options.
>>2533440I mean, comparing a national liberation war in a colonial context to this "SMO" is completely dishonest. I doubt the russian people is half as invested into the war as the vietnamese were
also calling modern russia "revolutionary" is just dumbfuck territory, they're anti imperialists only by accident
ITT apologists trying to rationalize why half a million brave young men needlessly dying in a pointless war is a good thing for Russia.
>>2533616Putin hasn't threatened to bomb America, though.
>>2533662Nobody said he did. But the UK is striking Russian territory (US was too at one point with the ATACMS and still provides targeting data), and Putin is taking it on the chin. Trump wouldn't do that if Russia or China were striking American territory.
Everyone listens to the opinions of the ideologues and intellectuals and politicians cheering and jeering from the safety of the sidelines; nobody listens to the people who are actually in the fucking war, the hundreds of thousands of young soldiers fighting and dying in the mud for nothing.
>>2533676Remember how bad USA melted down when they got trolled into believing that Russia was paying the Taliban a $300 bonus for each US soldier killed?
>>2533681They weren't trolled. It was propaganda.
They made up the bullshit themselves to demonize Russia.
>>2533678No one cares about your fake sentimentality.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kyiv_(2022)Ukrainian victory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_MykolaivUkrainian victory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kharkiv_(2022)Ukrainian victory
Ukraine kicked the lolcows out even before it got significant outside aid.
Afterwards:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_KhersonUkrainian loss, later victory
Russia currently controls 0 of 24 administrative capitals. It can only conquer backwaters at heavy losses - and that's it.
>>2533714What you are diagnosing is Putinism, not Russia's military capabilities.
>>2533676Except we see again and again that when their country is attacked that people rally around their government and support it even if it is otherwise unpopular. Like recently when Iran was attacked by Israel.
So right now nato is the one feeling the pressure as people react against the conditions their own governments have made. There's no will to fight Russia on the part of the people and Russia hasn't given any reason for that to change. Meanwhile the governments of France and Germany are in jeopardy and the Czech government is run by nato skeptics.
It seems like striking at nato itself is just asking for intensified strikes from nato and handing them a justification and mandate for it on a silver platter.
>>2533734Trump would never tolerate missile attacks from a foreign power. I can't think of a recent US president who would. Wifebeater rationalizations of "maybe the citizens of the aggressor would hate us" wouldn't factor into it.
>>2533617I mean Russia, China, etc are all casualty tolerant. Different political system means that you can have 35-280 million dead in China and the war will still keep going. Meanwhile, you can have "40k" dead stateside and politicians will be replaced.
Put another way, Russia is politically stable despite lots of coffins coming home from the front. Meanwhile, Merz and Macron are politically beleaguered despite not even technically being in the war.
>>2533734Factor in the NS2, then these explosions in Hungary and Romania, and then you've got nato waging war on itself on Russia's behalf, doing its work for it and taking the blame for it too.
Any actual comrades, as opposed to glowbots, should be studying the PLA's campaign in Manchuria. At the outset, they lost virtually every battle, then the KMT ran out of money. I will delight to see UKrops' debt ratios after the end of this year.
>>2533747Weak argumentation. Red herrings and deflection.
>>2533714why does Ukraine win all the major battles but loses all the smaller ones in 'backwater villages'?
It is currently costing the West about 700k, if you go by 350k dead, per Russian death. All I see when you brag about "1.3 million" that's inflated is your money swirling down drains.
>>2533658>rationalize we didnt make the decision so theres no need, we can just enjoy the good consequences (nato weakened, banderites dying) while mourning the bad (all the not nazi death)
>>2533600>I like how the cucktinist crow, obsessed with "Putin's redlines"always ignoring that Putin invaded ukraine(full scale unprovoked)
>>2533761We know you're the same poster from earlier, clown. China has already refuted your hopium.
>>2532810US only has two tomahawk launchers
you think trumpo will give zelen a boat for putin to sink?
>>2533761It's okay, India will be the intermediary and make russian oil power nato's industry still
>>2533787Pro tip: It's not a good idea to tell the victim of a wifebeater that if she responds assertively and defends her dignity that she may invite harsher beatings and therefore she should just take it.
>Ukraine received 1,000 fallen soldiers’ bodies from Russia, while Moscow retrieved 31 of its own. This marks the 13th exchange between the sides in 2025.
Cucktin is a world class mediocrity. No wonder Bill Clinton amd George Bush approved of this cuck. No wonder Obama and Hillary tried to flatter him with a "reset". No wonder Trump likes to push him around. Cucktin is a dancing monkey unable to retaliate against the West.
>if you launch long range strikes we will retaliate!!!!!111
Meanwhile all NATO and european and american think tanks say he's bluffing like the previous 2000 million times and they should give Ukraine moar weapons. The only thing saving Cucktin is internet censorship. If Russians could see for themselves what a joke Cucktin is perceived as in all the west they would have already shot him and replaced him with Surovikin.
>>2533809Well, the nafoids typically resort to "Russia is advancing, tho" to explain the disparity each month (and you can sense the pain in their explanation as they have to concede that Russia is advancing).
If I wanted to play devil's advocate, I'd just say that Ukraine doesn't bother collecting many bodies, unlike the sentimentalists in the Kremlin.
>>2533796Whatever you say retardo
>>2533826>If Russians could see for themselves what a joke Cucktin is perceived as in all the west they would have already shot him and replaced him with Surovikin.They aired the full "paper tiger" comments on Russian TV.
>>2533754Comments like these, if not trolling, blow my mind. All the existential and moral crises and crying about Gaza but then also "haha yeah 350k Russians died but it cost you 2% of your GDP hahaha"
I want to shoot any leftist who claims they are ok the good side. You animals aren't crossing the pearly gates, sorry to say
>>2533844No one cares about your fake sentimentality you illiterate polshit fucksocket.
>>2533844It's not trolling. There's a lot of repressed discomfort in pro-Russian, anti-hegemon circles that Russian casualties are likely 200,000+ whereas NATO casualties are a blip on the radar. Yeah, we can say that hohol casualties are likely over a million, but neither side cares about hohol casualties.
The repression causes many bizarre arguments, like assigning price values to lives… or arguments that amount to "you don't want to punch the bully on the nose because he might torment you more."
>>2533848You don't care about hundreds of thousands of dead Russians, and needless to say, you don't care about hundreds of thousands of dead Ukrainians either, civilian or otherwise.
I mean, there's nothing left to argue here. Like do you "debate" or "argue" with the Nazi camp guards? There isn't even the possibility of a common ground to be found when the opponent just straight up doesn't give a shit about human life at all, not just of the supposed enemy, but also of the people they claim to support.
>>2533796>Pro tip: It's not a good idea to tell the victim of a wifebeater "A government is like a household budget" tier nonsense.
>>2533861No one cares about your fake sentimentality you obnoxious lickspittle. You aren't fooling anyone into believing you actually care, or that you're not a piece of shit nafoid brainlet.
Get bent.
>>2533844Because the left is the left wing of capital, and since february '22 both camps have continued in the proud tradition of Europe's social democrats in 1914
>>2533860Incorrect. Even in nafoid spaces there is great anger and sadness in any post about Ukrainian civilians and soldiers killed. And even in posts showing gore of Russians killed, you have quite a few saying "this wouldn't have happened if they didn't invade" or "fuck Putin for this tragic and pointless war".
But here? Just the smelliest disgusting subhuman neckbeards making epic 400 autism score """"analysis"""" and hopium predictions without a single thought about the human cost of the war on any side.
>>2533863>waahhhhh, the bully might attack us more if we respond proportionatelyWhat kind of zoomer leftism is this? lmao
>>2533873>Even in nafoid spaces there is great anger and sadness in any post about Ukrainian civilians and soldiers killed. No there's not. They say nothing about the vannings. It's all performative concern for the sake of radlib bitching at Russia.
>>2533860"Nato casualties are a blip on the radar" is cope from nafo morons that want to have it both ways, where Ukraine is nato's vanguard when it scores a win and it's own independent entity when it's getting its shit shoved in.
Nato casualties are at 1.5 million and climbing you stupid asshole. Best of luck coping with that fact and whatever other mistakes god made in the calamity of your unfortunate birth.
>>2533873Get tired of the mods banning you for gore spam did ya?
>>2533867I'm a nihilist yet even I manage to care when millions of people are dying for no reason, I am a human being after all, I can't just ignore something like that. Now here you are throwing a highly emotional tantrum trying to convince us that you don't have a conscience and that you are some kind of robot or psychopathic juggalo who doesn't care, but it's no use. We know that you care.
>>2533748There is something of an argument to be made that the current American crisis of capitalism is a result of expenditure on the Vietnam war, which was exacerbated by the War of Terror.
>>2533890If only you were one of the millions of dead people maybe this thread wouldn't be so shitty.
>>2533890tbf, the poster is attacking the insincere act of caring, not sincere caring.
Pssst. Hey. Come here.
You care.
>>2533890Many millions of people die every year for no reason.
>>2533748>I will delight to see UKrops' debt ratios after the end of this year.So far it's not looking good.
https://cnbsnews.live/politics/kiev-to-run-out-of-money-by-april-el-pais-rt-russia-former-soviet-union/
>El Pais warned in an article on Tuesday that “Ukraine has serious financial problems.” According to EU sources cited by the outlet, Kiev currently only has enough money to stay afloat “until the end of the first quarter of 2026.”
>The paper said that the leaders of EU nations are expected to support the loan to Ukraine during their meeting in Brussels on Thursday.
>So far, Belgium, which hosts clearinghouse Euroclear, where most of Moscow’s frozen funds are being kept, has been skeptical of the loan proposal and has demanded that liability be shared among all EU members if the move is made.
>On Wednesday, the Ukrainian parliament voted in favor of the country’s draft budget for 2026, which has a deficit of over 58%. It projects that the Kiev government will spend 4.8 trillion hryvnia (around $114 billion) next year, while earning just 2.8 trillion hryvnia (around $68 billion). According to the draft, the 2.8 trillion hryvnia in tax revenue will be used to fund the military, with all other state expenditure to be covered by financial aid from foreign backers. >>2533924Ukraine defaulted on sovereign debt in, I think, June. None of it matters. It's all propaganda designed to, 1, keep the givas flowing to Ukraine, 2, keep Putin's kid gloves on because he's so attached to financial rationality and legalisms and whatnot.
>>2533924>>So far, Belgium, which hosts clearinghouse Euroclear, where most of Moscow’s frozen funds are being kept, has been skeptical of the loan proposal and has demanded that liability be shared among all EU members if the move is made.<if i do it and mum finds out you have to take the blame okay?fuck sake why are they all like this?
>>2533931Putin derangement syndrome detected, post discarded.
>>2533938You could have discarded without commenting, but I guess you needed to show how rattled you are.
>>2533844North Vietnamese took like 2, 3 million casualties? Or was it 6? If you're going by casualties alone, North Vietnam should have surrendered.
The difference between Russian losses and Gaza is that Gaza 's target was civilians, using Hamas as an excuse. Russia IS freezing out the Ukrainians, but the 1.3 million dead and wounded (150k-400k dead) are military.
Most of them signed up, knew the risks, and joined the grinder.
>>2533936From what I've read there's basically no legal justification for what they want to do, so no one wants to be the one that takes the fall for the inevitable fallout. I'm not sure what the deal is exactly though since it seems like that pin was already pulled with this Nexperia shit, but maybe it's not on the same level.
>>2533948>there's basically no legal justification for what they want to dolol, bless your heart, anon.
>>2533957Just retards top to bottom today.
Tarriffs, chip controls, Nexperia, etc., didn't accomplish anything because China doesn't tolerate economic aggressors. It responds decisively.
Putin keeps sending commodities to his economic aggressors, so the NATOid expectation is that he'll turn his cheek again.
>>2533964"Hey, you! I'm discarding your post"
kek, there used to be a name for spergy weirdos on Usenet back in the day who'd try to play it cool, acting all unfazed and all, while dedicating a post to telling you that they're adding you to their killfile… instead of just… doing it.
>>2533995Not mad but discarding you, bro.
man, I can't find it. chatgpt is no real help either.
Definition
Performative disengagement refers to when someone publicly performs the act of not caring, leaving, or disengaging — but in doing so, demonstrates that they do care, at least enough to make a show of it.
It’s a kind of meta-participation: instead of simply withdrawing, the person wants others to see them withdrawing.
Examples
Usenet: Announcing “I’m adding you to my killfile” instead of silently doing it.
Twitter/X: Posting “muted” or “blocked” screenshots, or saying “touching grass now 🫡” before logging off.
Reddit: “I’m unsubscribing from this sub” comments that signal moral or emotional superiority.
Discord/Forums: Leaving a server/group with a final message about how toxic or boring it’s become.
All of these are acts that should imply disengagement — but the performance re-centers attention on the person “leaving.”
Psychological / Social Dynamics
Performative disengagement satisfies two conflicting needs:
The desire to leave an unpleasant or frustrating interaction.
The desire to control the narrative of that departure — to be seen as rational, unaffected, or morally superior.
In before asshurt
Oligarchs West vs Easthttps://julianmacfarlane.substack.com/p/oligarchs-west-vs-east
>John Helmer has some interesting comments in this dialog with Nima.
>For me, among the most important was his analysis of the role of oligarchs in Russia, which I have written a lot about.
>Most “analysts’ in the West don’t appear to understand much about the Russian oligarchs, who are different from oligarchs in other countries.
>Their ethnocentricity generates confusion and contradiciton.
>One assumption which appears almost as frequently as the one that ascribes absolute power to Putin is that it is the Russian Oligarchs are actually call the shots in Moscow.
>Of course, these two ideas are usually expressed separately — except by politicians who like to put them together like ham and cheese. .
>For example, the ‘murderous’, all-powerful dictator Putin “invaded” Ukraine out of imperial ambition. So how to counter that?
>Sanctions, of course, which were supposed to damage the Russian economy and hurt the Oligarch’s bottom line, not to mention their vacation plans abroad — and cause them to “dump” Putin.
>A few things to note….
>First of all, Putin is not a dictator– he is the elected President of his country with enormous popularity because he is honest and gets things done, improving life and well-being for ordinary people.
>Putting such things aside, the Oligarchs cannot orchestrate a palace coup because:
<they are not IN the palace
<almost everyone hates them, including each other
<they serve the state at Putin’s pleasure.
>If he wants an Oligarch gone, he’s not going to have them murdered, as the Western Media suggest — although a few of them have criminal connections or enemies with good reasons to order hits on them. Viz: Prigozhin.
>Instead, Putin uses the law.
>Mikhail Khodorkovsky and Mikhael Mirilashvili, for example, were both tried and convicted and sent to prison.
>The West nonetheless sees Russia as it sees itself. And the CIA, MI6 and Mossad are very much in the assassination business.
>The US too has “oligarchs” – but unlike Russian oligarchs, they are allowed to pervert the political system so the government works for them.
>American oligarchs buy and sell everything, including Presidents.
>In Russia things are reversed.
>Russian oligarchs were nomenklatura who were able to take control of state-owned assets in the post-Soviet era, in a manner that should have been illegal and maybe was but permitted under Yeltsin. Privatization benefited them but they are not “free market” capitalists, rather they used economic chaos predatorily to expand their monopolies.
>When Putin took power, the Oligarchs controlled significant parts of the economy and industry, with huge political influence in the regions – so he gave them choices – serve the state,obey the law, and stay out of politics.
>He reversed privatization per se in most sectors by as much as 90%. And he kept a careful eye on the regions and local government, which the West, of course, characterizes as Tyranny.
>As a result, some oligarchs fled the country, where they had bundles of money and palatial homes. Some went to prison. Most were unhappy with “Putinism”.
>Putin invited the oligarchs who stayed for Christmas dinner in the Kremlin. He is polite. But he does not have “cronies” as they are called in the West.
>So Russia is capitalist but it is state-managed capitalism, at least in major industrial areas. Sort of like China, ruled by another Dictator and another Oligarchy. Ordinary people hate the Oligarchs, who hate each other, which accounts for their high mortality rate.
>For Putin the oligarchs are a necessary evil, unfinished business from the collapse of the USSR - something in inherited like moles. He clearly wants their power to diminish.
>Fortunately, the SVO has indeed NOT been good for the Oligarchs. And sanctions have prevented them from transferring assets out of the country for investment abroad. Poor, poor Oligarchs.
>All this is good for Russia and Putin.>>2534026*flushes toilet*
one of my clinger exes was a 'performative disengager'. he'd never believe me when I had phone reception problems, and then I'd eventually get the backlog of disengagement texts about how he's decided to block everyone on his phone (including me) who didn't value him enough to reply promptly.
European leaders are unable to inflict a strategic defeat on Russia yet unwilling to face the political consequences of peace in Ukrainehttps://thepeacemonger.substack.com/p/european-leaders-are-unable-to-inflict
>President Trump’s latest about face on dialogue with Russia doesn’t change the fundamental predicament Europe finds itself in: unable to inflict a strategic defeat on Russia but unwilling to face the political consequences of ending the war in Ukraine.
>The Budapest Summit between Trump and Putin is now off, it seems. European leaders and Zelensky have clearly sold the US President on the idea of entering a ceasefire along the current line of contact. Yet, caught between a rock and a hard place, European leaders continue to deny the obvious realities of the dire situation in Ukraine, which will only worsen over time. I see no evidence of any willingness to change course, despite the obvious political hazard they face and the increasingly grim forecast for Europe and for Ukraine should they continue to push an unwinnable war.
>The war in Ukraine is now entirely dependent on the ability of European states to pay for it at a cost of at least $50bn per year, on the basis of Ukraine’s latest budget estimate for the 2026 fiscal year. Ukraine itself is bankrupt and has no access to other sources of external capital, beyond that provided by the governments sponsoring the ongoing war.
>That then brings the conversation back to the creation of a so-called ‘reconstruction loan’ underwritten by $140bn of the Russian foreign exchange assets currently frozen in Belgium. The term ‘reconstruction loan’ is itself disingenuous, on the basis that any expropriated Russian assets would not be used for reconstruction, but rather to fund the Ukrainian war effort. Indeed. Chancellor Merz of Germany recently suggested that the fund could allow Ukraine to keep fighting for another three years.
>The most likely scenario, in the terrible eventuality that war in Ukraine did continue for another three years is that the Russian armed forces would almost certainly swallow up the whole of the Donbass region – comprising Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts. This – Ukraine’s departure from the Donbas - appears to be the basis of President Putin’s conditions for ending the war now, together with a Ukrainian declaration of neutrality and giving up any NATO aspirations. More likely, the Russian Armed forces might also capture additional swathes of land in Zaporizhia and Kherson oblasts, and also in Dnipropetrovsk, where they have made recent incursions.
>So, there is a strong likelihood, at the currently slow pace of the war effort in which Russia claims small pieces of land on a weekly basis, that three years from now Ukraine would have to settle for a peace that was even more disadvantageous to it than that which is available now, having lost more land, together with potentially hundreds of thousands of troops killed or injured.
>Logically, European policymakers would be able to look into the future to see this grim predicament with clear eyes and encourage Zelensky to settle for peace now.
>But European policy is driven by two key considerations. Firstly, an emotional belief that an extended war might so weaken Russia that President Putin was forced to settle on unfavourable terms. The idea of a strategic defeat of Russia – which is often spoken by European politicians – however, doesn’t bear serious scrutiny.
>Russia doesn’t face the same considerable social and financial challenges that Ukraine faces. Its population is much larger and a wider conscription of men into the Armed forces has not been needed – Russia can recruit sufficient new soldiers to fight and, indeed, has increased the size of its army since 2022. Ukraine continues to resort to forced mobilisation of men over the age of 25, often using extreme tactics that involve busifying young men against their will from the streets.
>Critically, Russia could likely continue to prosecute the war on the current slow tempo for an extended period of time without the need for a wider mobilisation of young men, which may prove politically unpopular for President Putin domestically. Yet, the longer the war continues, Ukraine will come under increasing pressure, including from western allies, to deepen its mobilisation to capture young men below the age of 25 to shore up its heavily depleted armed forces on the front line.
>There has been considerable resistance to this so far within Ukraine. Mobilising young men above the age of 22 would prove unpopular for President Zelensky but it would also worsen Ukraine’s already catastrophic demographic challenge: 40% of the working age population has already been lost, either through migration or through death on the front line and that number will continue to go south, the longer the war carries on.
>Russia’s financial position is considerably stronger than Ukraine’s. It has very low levels of debt at around 15% of GDP and maintains a healthy current account surplus, despite a narrowing of the balance in the second quarter of 2025. Even if Europe expropriates its frozen assets, Russia still has a generous and growing stock of foreign exchange reserves to draw upon, which recently topped $700bn for the first time.
>Russia’s military industrial complex continues to outperform western suppliers in the production of military equipment and munitions. In the currently unlikely event that Russia started to fall into the red in terms of its trade – what commentators in the west refer to as destroying Russia’s war economy – it would still have considerable scope to borrow from non-western lenders, given the strength of its links with the developing world, aided by the emergence of BRICS.
>Ukraine is functionally bankrupt because it is unable to borrow from western capital markets, on account of its decision to pause all debt payments. With debt expected to reach 110% in 2025, even before consideration of any loan backed by frozen Russian assets, it depends entirely on handouts from the west. Ukraine’s trade balance has continued to worsen throughout the war, reinforcing its dependence on capital injections from the west to keep its foreign exchange reserves in the black.
>So while the determination of Ukraine to fight is unquestionable, the emotional belief in the west that this will overcome the enormous social and economic challenges the country faces in an extended attritional war with Russia is wildly misplaced.
>So, let’s look at the rational explanation for Europe’s continued willingness to prolong the fight in Ukraine. The uncomfortable truth is that Europe’s political leaders have boxed themselves into this position because of a hard boiled determination not to concede to Russia’s demands in any peace negotiations. Indeed, there is a steadfast and immovable objection to talking to Russia at all, which has been growing since 2014.
>However, across much of Europe, the political arithmetic is turning against the pro-war establishment with nationalist, anti-war parties gaining ground in Central Europe, Germany, France, Britain and even in Poland. And despite so far fruitless overtures made by President Trump towards negotiation with President Putin, Trumpophobia provides another brake on the European political establishment shifting its position.
>So, changing course now and entering into direct negotiations with Russia would have potentially catastrophic consequences, politically, for European leaders, which they must surely be aware of. A full 180 degree change in diplomatic course by Europe would require an acceptance that the war against Russia was unwinnable, and that Russia’s underlying concerns – namely Ukrainian neutrality – would finally have to be accepted as a political reality.
>On this basis, European politicians would face the prospect of explaining to their increasingly sceptical voters that their strategy of defeating Russia had failed, having spent four years of war saying at all times that it would eventually succeed. And that would lead potentially to internationalist governments falling across Europe starting in two years when Poland and France will again go to the polls, and in 2029 when the British and German governments will face the voters.
>There are deeper issues too. An end of war would accelerate the process of admitting Ukraine into the European Union with potentially disastrous consequences for the whole financial basis of Europe. The European Commission will face the prospect of accepting that a two-tier Europe is inevitable, admitting Ukraine as a member without the financial benefits received by existing member states; for probably understandable reasons, this would cause widespread resentment within Ukraine itself, having sacrificed so much blood to become European, precipitating widespread internal dissent and possibly conflict in a disgruntled country with an army of almost one million. Alternatively, the European Commission would need to redraw its budget and face huge resistance from existing Member States, who would lose billions of Euros each year in subsidies to Ukraine. And the truth is that it will in all likelihood be unable to do so.
>Caught between hoping for a strategic defeat of Russia which any rational observer can see is unlikely, and accepting the failure of their policy, causing a widespread loss of power and huge economic and political turmoil, Europe’s leaders are choosing to keep calm and carry on. If they had any sense, the likes of Von der Leyen, Merz, Starmer or Macron would change tack and pin their hopes on explaining away their failure before the political tide in Europe evicts them all from power. But I see no signs of them having the political acumen to do that. So we will continue to sit and wait, while storm clouds grow ever darker over Europe. >>2534026putin thought he was 200 pounds and could pounce ukraine with one flist
>>2534024>John HelmerJohn Helmer said the Oreshnik decapitation moment was coming, so his claimed sources in Russia - well, wouldn't surprise me if it's the same ones who told Mercouris that back in January. Not even sure how an Oreshnik decap is supposed to work. It's a highly telegraphed missile, assuming it's coming from Kapustin Yar. Wouldn't Russia get some operatives really close and use a plain ol' drone or something?
Worth also mentioning that he's sympathetic to the rather baseless Doctorow claim that hardliners could coup Putin.
>>2534065I prefer reliable analysts.
>>2534083Still looking when it comes to the top level discussions that the Helmers, Doctorows, Mercourises, Ritters, Macgregors, Robertses, Naps, etc., tend to engage in about new Kremlin policies, rules of engagement, retaliations, etc.
Rybar is still reliable for the tactical grind stuff.
>>2534099>still lookingLol of course you are.
NAFOids in Vietnam:
Look, we killed millions of the Vietcong! We did no civilian casualties! The South Vietnamese government is perfectly legitimate! Protect your democracy! Look at the meager territorial gains the North Vietnamese are making!
What people keep on forgetting is that Vietnam was a war by North Vietnam vs South Vietnam, and South Vietnam was annexed in the end.
Anyone want to do NAFOid Vietnam War edition? It'd be fun.
>>2533911>tbf, the poster is attacking the insincere act of caring, not sincere caring.Yes and I turned it around by questioning the sincerity of his performative non-caring.
>>2534141>>2534142Well, tell me if I have this right.
Numbers of people killed didn't matter, because the Vietnamese lost at least a million to the US ~60,000. Ultimately territory mattered.
>>2534150Iirc total allied casualties were around 300k, including Republican forces. Territory actually didn't swap hands that much, the US ran out of political will and ditched
But right now, we're seeing Merz and Macron crack because the sanctions on Russia have created irreversible damage to the European economy, and many manufacturers are moving factories to the States.
What I'm hoping for soon, is, well, NATO forces on the front lines. Nothing like a good Russian grind with some NATO soldiers getting stoned and shelled into pieces.
any significant developments?
>>2534164At the moment, the Russians have half of Kupiansk, half of Pokrovsk, but aren't moving fast.
Operation Linebacker III proceeds, with Russia getting refineries taken down, while Ukraine is now in a de facto fiscal crisis.
>>2534147Sure you did buddy
>>2534161Okay, you see, Vietnam is precisely the reason I don't think much of Russia's much lower casualty numbers (it's probably ~250,000 Russians vs. ~900,000 Ukrainians… reasons for thinking the Ukrainian count could even be several hundred K higher).
As you say, Vietnam came down to political will, and that's why some of us get nervous whenever Putin engages with the US - because he has a history of taking bad deals, because he was prepared to take another bad deal in 2022 before Ukraine shit on it, and because it's just crazy the way he pampers the president of a country killing his troops, saying that president should've received the Nobel, etc.
>>2534171Nuke Berlin! Nuke Rome! Nuke Paris!
End of the day, the war ends when Putin and Xi want it to end. Basically, you're mapping Western idiocy and war propaganda onto Russian actions.
Putin can meet as much as he wants with Trump, as long as he doesn't get arrested or killed, and no real deal is made. Putin is stalling, basically, if he refuses to make negotiations, it looks bad domestically and internationally. But it's 100% in Putin's rights to refuse a bad deal.
>>2534141It was a war between the United States and South Vietnamese anti-imperialist independent nationalist movements. South Vietnam independent-nationalists wanted to be free of both the US and the USSR's imperialist efforts, but the US invaded and destroyed South Vietnam and killed millions of people who were civilian non-combatants for the most part and South Vietnam was annexed by North Vietnam and became a unified supposedly Marxist-Leninist, but fast forward to today and "Communist" Vietnam enjoys friendly relations with capitalist United States and all of our clothing and shoes and various commercial products are all produced by Vietnamese laborers who toil away in sweatshops for American businesses and get paid like $3 a day. So ultimately Vietnam was annexed by the United States.
>>2534184Guys, please report this post to Anthropic. It's such obvious propaganda. I'm calling my Congressman, we're getting ripped off by Reston.
>>2534150Nice side step, but the point was already made that the National Liberation Front controlled little territory below the DMZ until the puppet army dramatically and unexpectedly collapsed in response to the spring offensive in 1975.
Ukrops are now constantly whining that drone operators and other technical troops are being used up as infantry because they can’t round up enough Homo Soveticus or disabled to throw in a trench.
Mean while Russian drone attacks are growing worse due to the centralised and professional approach of Rubicon.
Either Ukraine runs out of front line troops or they run out of money. Either way the collapse will happen in a way that surprises everyone.
>>2534181>Nuke Berlin! Nuke Rome! Nuke Paris!wdym? If you're saying this is Putin's failsafe plan or something, you'll be disappointed. Putin isn't going to use nukes unless nuked. Not even the psychos in the US used nukes in Vietnam after already having used them in Japan.
>End of the day, the war ends when Putin and Xi want it to end. Correct.
>Basically, you're mapping Western idiocy and war propaganda onto Russian actions.No, I'm agreeing with your point that more favorable casualty numbers don't matter in the absence of political will.
>Putin can meet as much as he wants with Trump, as long as he doesn't get arrested or killed, and no real deal is made. Putin is stalling, basically, if he refuses to make negotiations, it looks bad domestically and internationally.I'm fine with that.
>But it's 100% in Putin's rights to refuse a bad deal.He should keep doing so. So far I'm relieved, but the man has a history.
>>2534164Ukraine is evacuating from Pokrovsk and Myrnograd because Russia is threatening to capture Robotyne and sever the last highway in or out.
>>2534191No, the "propaganda" is the official story that Americans and westoids are typically taught in school, which was that the Vietnam War was an effort by the United States to defeat North Vietnam and save South Vietnam from falling to communist rule. But that's just complete and total revisionism from the United States government.
The US did not even invade North Vietnam, never went to war with the NVA, the goal was to crush a rebellion in a former-European colony and destroy the country and eliminate any resistance and install a US-friendly authoritarian regime so that the US could exploit the country's resources and impoverished labor force. Read the Pentagon Papers.
>>2534171Vietnamese don’t come down to political will. It was the cost of the war and Johnson not increasing taxation to pay for it that threw the US into an economic crisis. And once Nixon took over and tried to stabilise the economy by moving off the gold standard there was the 1973 oil crisis.
>>2534193Yes, Ukraine stands to be devastated if there's the political will in the Kremlin to do so.
>>2534201The rebellion was coordinated and funded by communists. After the mid ‘60s the majority of NLF forces in the South were NVA.
Why do you think the United States would use a chemical agent like Agent Orange in the massive quantities they used, covering the entire country in this stuff, even poisoning their own troops in the process? The goal of the Vietnam War was not to defeat some opposing army, it was just a deliberate and coordinated act of genocide. Wipe out most of the country's population and food supplies with extremely long-lived environmental toxins, cull the herd and reduce their numbers and make them sick and starving and helpless, then the Viet Cong and all their rebellious efforts will fizzle out and they will finally give up and let richer, better countries come in and govern their country for them.
Dioxin is almost like the chemical equivalent of radioactive waste, staying in the environment and bioaccumulating for decades and decades and giving everyone cancer and horrific birth defects. The nature of dioxin as one of the most dangerous and destructive toxins in the world was already well-known in the 60s, dioxin is also an industrial waste byproduct and the entire reason we have things like the EPA now is to stop industries from dumping dioxin and other horrible stuff like that into our food and water supplies. The US obviously knew what they were doing when they used this stuff. The Vietnam War wasn't really so much of a war as it was a "clearing out", like a giant bulldozer demolishing the entire country to make it ready for American development.
https://x.com/ArmchairW/status/1980843676646486122[Summary of Ukrainian military efforts]
>Which brings us to today. There were some rumors early in the summer that the AFU was cobbling together an attack force to go at Bryansk, but then the front line north of Pokrovsk buckled in August and every available reserve was thrown in to stabilize the front. An ultimately unsuccessful effort, by the way - despite many Ukrainian claims to the contrary.
>So - and this cannot be emphasized enough - despite the Ukrainian strategic imperative to attack, and Ukrainian leaders clearly remaining fixated on their original war aims to this day, there has been no Ukrainian offensive in 2025. Not from lack of willingness, but from lack of capability. So to sum up:< - In 2022, the AFU launched huge counteroffensives< - In 2023, the AFU launched a decent-size counteroffensive< - In 2024, the AFU launched a small but fast-moving counteroffensive< - And in 2025 the AFU was restricted to holding the line lest it collapse
>Ever since the Russians made that defensive transition in the autumn of 2022 they've been pursuing a constant and coherent strategy - a war of exhaustion. Bury the Ukrainians in firepower, advance where possible, defend where necessary, and trust in Russian industry and Russian ingenuity to win the materialschlacht and the technologieschlact against a declining Atlantic NATO that had chosen Ukraine as its proxy champion.
>And, as can be seen above, this strategy has worked. Every year the Ukrainians have attacked, often with incredible aggression, driven forward by their own ambitions and the demands of their Western backers. And every year those attacks have grown smaller and weaker until this year they stopped altogether.
>What this portends for the war going forward is very clear - the AFU now faces the prospect of snowballing territorial losses, collapse, and defeat. Not "sometime in the future," not "hypothetically," not as a matter of forecasting out trendlines and reading strategic tea leaves as has so often been the case in this war. Now. They're facing it now, because they don't have the combat power to attack and soon they won't have the forces to defend either - and the Russians are stronger and more sophisticated than ever, and NATO has fallen behind technologically and exhausted its ability to provide support without rendering itself vulnerable. >>2534215>>2534233The problem with Agent Orange was mostly with a trace by-product of manufacture. Which in many batches was much higher than it was supposed to be due to sloppy manufacturing. The damage to humans and build up in the ecosystems wasn’t proven until the early ‘70s when use mostly stopped.
>>2534274Eh, I don't buy the US military pleading ignorance on this, especially with all that's been revealed of the stuff going on behind the scenes in the US government and other major world governments from WW2 through the Cold War, all the research into chemical weapons, biological weapons, nuclear weapons, human experimentation, etc.
>In Vietnam, one part of the legacy of the war in the present is the continuing impact of the unprecedented campaign of chemical warfare that was initiated under the Kennedy administration. The chemical warfare has indeed received a good deal of coverage here. The reason is that US veterans were affected by it. So, you know about Agent Orange and dioxin and their effect on US soldiers; that did receive coverage. Of course, however much they were affected, that’s not a fraction of the effect on Vietnamese, and that receives virtually no attention, though there is occasionally some. I have found very few articles on this. The Wall Street Journal did have a lead story on this in February 1997. It reported that half a million children may have been born with dioxin-related deformities as a result of the millions of tons of chemicals that drenched South Vietnam during the US efforts to destroy crops and ground cover, starting with Kennedy. It also reported that Japanese scientists working together with Vietnamese scientists have found rates of birth defects four times as high in southern villages as in the north, which was spared this particular horror. That’s not to speak of the stacks of jars with aborted, still-born fetuses, sometimes destroyed by rare cancers, that fill rooms in South Vietnamese hospitals and that are occasionally reported in the foreign press or sometimes in the technical literature here, and reproductive disorders that are still very high in the south, though not the north. The Wall Street Journal report did recognize that the United States is responsible for the atrocities it recounts, which still continue to plague South Vietnam. It also reports that Vietnam has received some European and Japanese aid to try to cope with the disaster, but "the United States, emotionally spent after losing the war, paid no heed." "Losing the war" means not achieving the maximal goal of total conquest, only the basic war aims of destroying the virus and inoculating the region. But the point is that we suffered so from destroying Indochina and are so emotionally spent by this that we cannot be expected to help overcome the legacy of our aggression, let alone express some contrition about it.’ >>2534213The NLF only allied with the NVA because they were backed by Russia, the enemy of the US, and the US was invading South Vietnam so the enemy of their enemy became their friend. But the NLF wasn't a communist movement, it was a coalition of independent nationalists, some of them were communists others were not, their goal was simply to resist imperalist efforts from foreign powers and keep South Vietnam an independent nation and not be ruled by Russia or the US or China or anyone else.
>Brits are feeling confident enough to strike pre-2014 Russian soil again with their third-rate Storm Shadows
That must mean… could it be? Could it really be? It's… it's… it's CUCKLER TIME!!!
>REPORTER: President Putin basically said today that Russia is immune from US sanctions. He said that it would not impact the Russian economy in any serious way. Is he wrong?
>US PRESIDENT TRUMP: Good. I'm glad he feels that way. That's good. I'll let you know about it in six months from now, okay? Let's see. Let's see how it all works out.
Just twelve more two weeks
>>2534461He's gambling on Putin not retaliating by halting all uranium exports. Admittedly it's a safe gamble.
>>2534461On the next episode of Ukraine Ball Z!
Ukraine collapse status?
>>2534490A couple more weeks, the gloves are coming off now.
>>2534490>>253449424 months median, main thing is that Trump wants Ukraine to lose but not look like the bag holder to the EU or actively betraying allies.
Ukrainian financial support is being cut, but the EU will probably attempt to recapitalize them before it's over.
>>2534497>24 months medianYou mean when the war is over or just when Ukraine is no longer able to put up organised resistance.
>>2534549Ukie collapse. Either: Ukrainian armed forces undergoes morale collapse, Ukraine's economy collapses from the debt, or Ukrainians revolt. Median time is 24 months, could be faster (Ukrainian ground forces collapse) or slower (revolution).
>>2534556Any political or financial collapse would very quickly lead into disintegration the front. Or any military collapse would lead into a political and financial collapse. Also any military collapse might not end the war that quickly. It might just slowly turn from desperate defence into an more asymmetrical hohol-isis type of situation. I would say that the process of transformation has been going on for a while. I say we are closer to a Ukrainian military collapse but quite far from end of the war.
>>2533761>The bad guys wonChina is still winning? Capitalist russia is just alternative imperialism.
>>2534568When an army breaks after years of trench warfare, it's not going to turn into insurgency. The TDF recruiters are already dragging people off streets, do you really think Ukraine is ready for 1:5-35 KD guerrilla warfare?
Can someone tell me what the cope explanations here was when Hamas/Hezbollah/Iran counterattack/Fall of Assad all happened?
Maybe that will give a sneak preview of the cope explanations to come when this war ends up being a nothingburger as well.
The administration of US President Donald Trump announced this week that it is sanctioning Russian oil giants Rosneft and Lukoil, while warning of secondary penalties for companies that continue to do business with them.
Amos Hochstein, who previously served as senior energy policy adviser under former President Joe Biden, told The Financial Times that the move might not have the intended economic impact.
“If prices rise significantly, any revenue loss Russia suffers from reduced sales will be offset by higher prices,” he explained. “And if prices climb too much, Russia profits while American consumers and our allies end up paying more.”
>The gradual deterioration of the Ukrainian army continues. As has been the case throughout the year, desertion remains the main source of manpower losses within the Armed Forces of Ukraine. During the first nine months of this year, Ukraine’s Prosecutor General’s Office opened more than 160,000 cases of desertion – a third more than during the entire previous period, starting in February 2022.
>>2533873>Even in nafoid spaces Bro outed himself like this, why isnt he banned?
>>2533890>I'm a nihilist yet even I manage to care when millions of people are dying for no reasonthat means that you're not actually a nihilist holy fucking shit when socialism finally happens in the west everyone will have to attend mandatory logic classes because the capitalists have turned you all brain dead.
>>2535024Logic? Need to start at vocabulary because unironically like 70% of the time someone describes themselves as a nihilist, they think that’s the philosophical term for “edgy as fuck”.
why should I support putler if he is just causing more slavs to die? He's an idiot, but ukraine is suicidal. I guess they want to be euthanized.
Bucha was perpetrated by russian forces as a terror campaign. I used to question if it was commited by azov, but thats propaganda. There is satellite data which shows eveything and the likelihood of it being faked is very low. It wasn't ukrainian forces' artillery which killed them. Russia's 64th brigade and 76th assault division likely executed them because they resisted. Unless you want to go full schizo everything points to russia being fucking retarded and that is inexcusable. It's a slow death march and I am sick of it. Consider me black pilled.
>>2535041you should support putler because India reselling all of russia's oil to the rest of the world is helping to lift millions of indians out of poverty which is historically progressive or something idk and meanwhile in the west energy prices are shooting up so everything is more unaffordable which is good because that means the future fascist regimes will have fewer foot soldiers
This is an El Clásico between F.C. NATO and Real Russia
>>2535063I'm hardly a nafoid. Please provide evidence beyond propaganda. I've been scowering and haven't found shit uyghur. Everything is circumstantial and lacks any real credibility
Answers to media questions
<Following a meeting of the Board of Trustees of the Russian Geographical Society, Vladimir Putin took questions from media members. http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/78275
<Question: Yesterday, we heard yet another statement by the US President regarding him either meeting with you or not meeting with you, and the Ukraine crisis, too. Almost at the same time, the United States imposed sanctions on Russian oil companies.
<Today, the EU imposed another round of anti-Russia sanctions, this time placing a ban on toilet bowls, motorised toys, puzzles, and tricycles.
<What do you think about this?
>President of Russia Vladimir Putin: The fact that they cancelled imports of our toilet bowls will cost them dearly. I think they will need them if they keep the same policies with regard to the Russian Federation.
>What can I say about the US President’s statement? In the most recent telephone conversation, the idea of a meeting and the venue were proposed by the American side. I agreed with the idea and expressed my views in this regard pointing out that, without a doubt, such meetings must be well prepared. It would be a mistake for me and the US President to approach it lightly and come out from this meeting without achieving the anticipated result.
>Admittedly, the US President agreed with that completely and said that a number of officials from the current administration would work on preparing this meeting. He named some of them, and I said that once the American side finalises the list of those who will be preparing the meeting, we will also announce who will be involved from the Russian side. But at the initial stage, without a doubt, the first steps towards this end should be taken by Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov and US Secretary of State Rubio. That is what we decided.
>Now I see – I have read the statement – that the US President decided to cancel or rather to postpone this meeting. What can I say? Dialogue is always better than confrontation, disputes, or, even more so, war. Therefore, we have always supported dialogue, and we continue to do so.
>Now, regarding the new sanctions. First, there is nothing new about them. Clearly, they will have serious implications for us, but they will not significantly affect our economic well-being.
>It is well known that during his first presidential term, President Trump imposed the largest number of sanctions ever imposed on the Russian Federation. Today, they have two aspects, namely, political and economic.
>What are we talking about in terms of the political aspect? It implies an attempt to put pressure on Russia. But no self-respecting country and no self-respecting people ever make decisions under pressure. Without a doubt, Russia has the privilege of considering itself among those self-respecting countries and peoples. That is the first point.
>The second point is purely economic.
>Speaking of the political aspect this, of course, represents an unfriendly step with regard to Russia. That much is clear, and it does not help strengthen Russia-US relations, which have just begun to recover. Of course, actions like this by the US administration harm Russia-US relations.
>Regarding the economic aspect, I reiterate once again that there is certainly nothing good or pleasant here. However, if we examine the economic side of these sanctions objectively and professionally, what do we observe?
>At present, the United States, in my view, produces approximately 13.5 million barrels per day, ranking first. Saudi Arabia is second with around 10 million barrels, and the Russian Federation is third with roughly 9.5 million barrels per day. However, the United States consumes 20 million barrels. They sell some and purchase even more, primarily from Canada. Thus, they produce 13.5 million but consume 20 million.
>Meanwhile, the Russian Federation and Saudi Arabia sell more oil and petroleum products. I may be mistaken in some details, perhaps mixing something up on the spot, but the general order aligns with reality. And what is that reality? Saudi Arabia exports approximately 9 million tonnes of oil and petroleum products to external markets, while the Russian Federation exports 7.5 million. That is to say, our contribution to the global energy balance is very significant, exceedingly so. Currently, this balance serves both consumers’ and producers’ interests. Disrupting this balance is a highly thankless task, including for those attempting to do so. Why?
>First, it must be noted that overall production is currently at a plateau. Of course, a portion – though certainly not all, as that would be impossible – of Russian oil and petroleum products could be substituted on the global market. But, first, this requires time. Second, it demands substantial investment.
>Recently, for the first time, we heard from the International Energy Agency that it is urging and encouraging economic actors to invest in hydrocarbon energy.
>Until now, the opposite had been advocated, including within the framework of the International Energy Agency, with calls to invest in alternative energy sources. Indeed, that is necessary. However, it has become clear that hydrocarbons will remain indispensable for at least the coming years, if not decades. This is evident given rising consumption. The global economy is growing, and energy resource consumption is increasing.
>Thus, it is not feasible to sharply increase production in the immediate term. However, if the quantity of our oil and petroleum products on the global market were to decrease abruptly, prices would rise, and I have discussed this with my American counterpart as well. What would this lead to? It would result in a sharp increase in the cost of oil and petroleum products, including at petrol stations – and the United States is no exception. If we consider the domestic political calendar in the United States, it is clear how sensitive certain processes could become in this context. Those advising the current [US] administration on such decisions should consider whom they are actually serving.
>However, that is not the main point. What is significant for us is something else – we feel confident and stable, and despite certain losses (which will inevitably occur, as this is tied to many circumstances), our energy sector remains sufficiently confident.
>I hope this will not lead to significant changes in the global market, although everyone must now reflect – I concur with the International Energy Agency – on the necessity to invest in traditional energy, in conventional energy sources. We are doing this and intend to continue doing so.
>If, in the end, we move away from pressure and instead engage in serious discussions about the future, including in the economic sphere, we have many areas for joint work. We are generally prepared for this, but, as we see, it depends not only on the Russian Federation but also on our partners, in this case, the Americans.
<Question: Regarding the use of Western long-range weapons, how do you personally assess the evidently contradictory signals coming from Washington? Recently, The Washington Post and The Wall Street Journal reported that the US has lifted a key restriction on the use of such weapons. Then Trump stated that Tomahawks would not be supplied after all. Just an hour ago, Zelensky once again claimed that Ukraine will receive weapons capable of striking targets up to 3,000 kilometres away.
<In your view, is this still an escalation?
>Vladimir Putin: This is an attempt at escalation. However, if such weapons are used to strike Russian territory, the response will be very serious, if not overwhelming. Let them think about that. >>2535078Nato should be dissolved and RF commited the crimes in bucha. Not everything in life is blowjobs and unicorns
>>2534961Thats like 90% of the internet.
Iron Dimon needs to replace Putin The Meek
>>2535113>Putin The MeekHe will not survive this failure that im sure of.
>>2535070>Please provide evidence beyond propaganda."Prove Russia didn't do it but use only official western sources."
>>2535121Tbqh Bucha is just another western atrocity propaganda event that was blown out of proportions.
>>2534644>Can someone tell me what the cope explanations here was when Hamas/Hezbollah/Iran counterattack/Fall of Assad all happened?You can call the following cope, but it strikes me as true.
The problem with Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, and such is that they have very strong fighting wills but not the right weapons to serve those wills, and despite threats in 2024 from Russia to arm all America's enemies with advanced weapons as payback for Ukraine, nothing happened. Obviously China doesn't have the appetite to get payback for Westoid arming of Taiwan, either.
In the case of Iran, the weapons are more than adequate to the task, but the will is not there. Hence in retaliation for decap strikes against government officials, military leaders, nuclear scientists, etc., Iran didn't touch a single significant Israeli. Hence in retaliation for illegal attacks on its civilian nuclear infrastructure, Iran didn't touch Dimona or the water desalination plants. Iran mostly hit empty buildings and empty barracks. It also gave advance notice of several of its targets.
>>2535159>In the case of Iran, the weapons are more than adequate to the task,What they lack is intelligence, satellites, etc. That's why their S-400 systems got blown up before they could shoot down any of the F-35 fighters bombing their country.
>>2535024I don't think there's a problem with that statement. A nihilist, presumably in this case an existential nihilist, doesn't believe in ultimate meaning. This knowledge is orthogonal to human sentiment in much the same way that a hardcore materialist/physicalist/reductionist can be sentimental about human tragedy despite knowing that ultimately all that's happening is a movement of atoms or other physical primitives.
>>2535180 (me)
I read the rest of the exchange. Just to be clear, I have no interest in dissecting whether it's sincere sentiment or just the latest "anti-campist" shame games.
>>2535119He will be canonised
>>2535159>>2534644For Assad:
As time goes on more and more evidence is revealed suggesting that Israel didn't have a lot to do with the fall of Assad. No, weakening Hezbollah isnt what led to his defeat.
More or less what happened last year was an internal coup in Syria. This was niche info at first, with ex-Assad aligned militants saying that Russia had sold out Syria for Ukraine, and that Syrian soldiers were given orders to not fight back against HTS.
Then Julani came out and more or less confirmed that there was basically a negotiated handover of power from Assad, who some in the military brass saw as a dead end.
This is why the offensive was so rapid and saw no battles. The Syrian army had secretly switched sides for the most part.
>>2535113>Iron Dimon needs to replace Putin The MeekMeh, yeah, I'd be happier with Iron Dimon, but I see it as, to put a pseud spin on it, more of a subtractive gain than an additive gain. An additive gain would serve the folks who want Putin to start doing things that he's
not doing (forms of escalation, etc.). A subtractive gain would serve the folks who want Putin to stop doing things that he
is doing (licking Trump's balls, negotiation charade, etc.). So despite all his bad-cop bluster on social media, I wouldn't expect Iron Dimon to be significantly different from Putin in the execution of the war, but he'd put a halt to some of the unnecessary annoyances.
>>2535212Iron Dimon (temu iron from china not real iron) is just as bad as Cucktin. It was on his watch that NATO rekt Libya. Dimon just saw which way the wind was blowing and decided to LARP as an ultra patriot to avoid getting thrown out a window.
>>2535216Yeah, that's the assessment of a lot of folks, and I see no reason to dispute it because it's easy to talk a big game when one isn't in the driver's seat. There's also a widespread belief that his routine is Putin's idea of assassination deterrence ("look who would be next").
Putin is having a Security Council meeting shortly.
I hope Putin finally relents to the pressure to remove Zelensky.
>that won't actually do an—
Don't care, sick of his face on my Internet feeds.
>but there are more important things than your Internet exper–
Don't care, get his annoying face off my Internet feeds.
>>2535240Implying you won't be forced to hang his picture in your home if he's martyred
>>2535067>El ClásicoOf fucking course the Leftcom flag is a /sp/erg.
>>2535243It'll be VERY painful for a few weeks for sure, but the Westoid attention span will then take over and start splashing Zaluzhny's face everywhere, and I find his face a little more pleasant to look at.
>>2535314how do these guys (specifically ritter) still have any legitimacy left? It's more wish-casting built on emotion more than any analysis.
>>2534052>It's a highly telegraphed missile, assuming it's coming from Kapustin Yar.doesn't really matter when you have no ad
>>2534171>Vietnam came down to political willi could have totally beat you up if i wanted to i wasn't even using half my power or my special move
>>2534161>the US ran out of political will and ditchedkek, interesting that people are objecting to the "malicious acceptance" of this original claim and not the original claim itself.
>>2535319What's especially galling about Ritter is that he criticizes other pro-Russian Westoids for wishcasting but is completely unaccountable for his own that never pans out.
Imagine if Iran attacked the US, but instead of targeting military or civilians, they did precision strikes and took out Trump, Hillary, Elon, Diddy etc. The average burger would be like "Damn, maybe these Iranian dudes aren't so bad"
That's a nice fantasy to think about, but in the Ukrainian context, it can be reality. Russia can easily do decap strikes on the most corrupt and hated Ukro oligarchs, politicians, crimelords and celebrities. This will massively weaken the morale of Ukrainians to fight against someone who is helping them so much.
>>2535373The US may decap Maduro, so if the Russian calculation is that Zelensky's absence is sufficiently demoralizing to the Ukrainian war effort, that'll probably be the situation they exploit. The funny thing is that Russia wouldn't need to take credit for it - they could keep refusing to discuss "inflammatory rumors," which would send the Westoid elites off the edge because they know that a large chunk of their populations don't trust a word they say.
>>2535373>Russia can easily do decap strikesRussia cant do shit
>>2535254he looks too much like a nazi while zelensky is photogenic
>>2535398Crimean beach party status?
>>2535426<vid:( Poor guy. Poor family.
>>2535427>forgot flagwhy is that a problem?
>>2535398>Russia cant do shitThere are many won'ts I've revised to can'ts (because why should I keep giving the benefit of the doubt by blaming political decision-making?), but that isn't one of them.
>>2535088>>2535041I am going to name two states, let's see your guessing abilities:
1) A state, committed to investigate independently, with a commission constituted by all parties involved (Russian, Ukraine) and external investigators (everyone else, like the US, EU, Belarus, China, etc.), and from there, whoever is the culprit, make an example. Even bring the responsible to international courts.
2) A state, makes statements, propaganda, refuses to invite one of the parties involved, only invites politicians, and their own investigators, and concluded who is the culprit.
now. Guess it, you silly buffoon.
>>2535448no, there's no problem at all, but I am want to drive crazy (if that's possible) the nafobot that lurks in here. he already got a couple of flags in his head living rent free. why don't I open a new annex, where I can roam free.
>>2535495sounds more like you're letting some nafobot live in your head rent-free. they don't actually believe anything they say. the entire purpose of the nafobot is disruption. probably plays video games in between getting $1 for each post about a war he doesn't give one shit about.
>>2535411Zelensky being a Jew is what protects the Banderites from a lot of scrutiny (Azov itself has said this). It would be much harder to sell Zaluzhny with all his Banderite paraphernalia and photos, so what's the West going to do? Roll in a new Jew from nowhere? Hard sell in Ukraine.
>>2535499Not the nafoid he talks about I'm a interimperialist kind of guy but triggering the russian chauvinist is a fair wage in itself though. I actually worked for nato intelligence one time but I quit really fast when I learned that even though I really needed a job.
>>2535499>you're letting some nafobot live in your head rent-freehey, you believe what you want to believe. I am not the one using racial slurs continuously, posting gore, doing nazi apologia, and nazi memes out of resentment, anger and frustration at this thread.
>>2535499>>2535531aso, ban evading, and homophobic slurs, too. to nail the list.
Decapitation strikes work in a few cases: 1, when there's an empty bench of people who can do the same executive tasks competently (not the case with Zelensky - easy to find a bunch of whiny beggars who can fly around on planes); 2, when the leader's ideological beliefs are somehow uniquely extreme, with likely replacements being more mellow (not the case with Zelensky - neo-Nazi ideology and Russophobia run amok in Ukraine), 3, when there is a cult of symbolism around a leader or a facade of invulnerability such that the country's morale is heavily tied up in the leader's mere existence (this is where the best case could be made for offing guys Zelensky, Budanov, etc.)
Theoretical considerations aside, the likely reason Putin doesn't do it is that he's scared of retaliatory assassinations.
TL;DR:
>Japan and Russia never had a formal peace treaty after WW2
>they are technically still at war
>Japan sees that outdated shit NATO equipment is getting owned by also outdated Russian tech, EU economy is collapsing, if you blindly follow the US' orders you are getting fucked by Trump.
<ok, I want peace with the next military superpower
Moscow welcomes Tokyo’s desire to sign a peace treaty with Russia, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Friday. His remarks followed a statement by Japanese Prime Minister Sanae Takaichi, who told parliament that pursuing such an agreement is part of her government’s foreign policy agenda.
Japan and Russia have never formally formed a peace treaty following the end of World War II. The absence of a treaty stems from a long-standing dispute over the four southernmost islands of the Kuril archipelago, which were incorporated into the Soviet Union in 1945 as part of the postwar settlement. Tokyo, however, continues to lay claim to what it calls the ‘Northern Territories’.
“The Japanese government’s policy is to resolve the territorial issue and finalize the peace treaty,” Takaichi told the parliament.
The Kremlin responded by saying that “such statements are rather to be welcomed.” Moscow “also supports signing a peace treaty with Japan,” Peskov told journalists. He still pointed to what he called Tokyo’s “rather unfriendly stance” towards Moscow, adding that Japan joined “all the unlawful sanctions and restrictions against our country” imposed by the West.
>>2535531>>2535535that might be some /pol/tard deriving meaning from his cringey discount nazis in banderaland. don't the nafobots post more radlib kinda material?
>>2535499>sounds more like you're letting some nafobot live in your head rent-free"It's embarrassing that you remember things."
>>2535554"I am want to drive crazy (if that's possible) the nafobot that lurks in here […] why don't I open a new annex, where I can roam free."
>>2535514>Not the nafoid he talks about I'm a interimperialist kind of guyyeah, you totes sound very fair-minded…
>but triggering the russian chauvinist is a fair wage in itself though.well, you may as well pat back yourself on the back if you too can get people to devise an entire posting strategy or flag game around your shit takes
>>2535589Yeah I agree man everything to the east of lake peipus is rightful nato clay
>>2535589It's a security buffer for Moscow. It makes sense once you look at how Putin treats citizens of Belgorod and Bryansk as expendable, vowing "devastating" retaliations only when missiles are long-range enough to reach Moscow.
>>2535599I mean obviously this war is not winnable. It's been like a decade now and Ukraine is still Ukraine and Russia is still Russia. Obviously Russia is not capable of conquering Ukraine with Western Europe's support behind them, so why continue this charade? Why not just give up and admit the conquest was a failure and focus on fixing Russia's internal problems, which are many.
>>2535495>why don't I open a new annex, where I can roam free.Huh. Never thought I'd ever be on the giving end of a "Just be yourself". :^)
>>2535606That's not really up to Putin, that's up to the NATO countries who have all kinds of state-of-the-art weapons that could blow up Moscow from halfway around the world, they're just choosing not to give those kinds of weapons to Ukraine.
Damn these threads are nasty. Easily as bad as /pol/.
>>2535652They are just pol because the mods don't give a shit
>>2535650If Putin died tomorrow, NAFO would be ecstatic but Western elites would be shaking in their boots. He's been singlehandedly holding back the General Staff from doing what it wants to do, according to Luka.
If Putin dies they likely they have some contingency plan and a likeminded successor in mind to take his place, they'll have an election as a formality which Putin 2 will win by a landslide and Russia's fascist regime will continue. Most of the Russian people are firmly aligned with the conservative nationalist ideology of Putin because all the leftists tend to either flee the country or get thrown in jail or die.
Russia has bigger problems than Putin though. Russia is a lot like the United States, much more than either country would like to admit. Far-right nationalist authoritarian government, imperialists perpetually at war with the rest of the world, massive growing wealth inequality, clinging to dwindling fossil fuels instead of investing in renewable energy, brain drain of affluent educated workers moving to europe, economic stagnation, urban decay, rampant government corruption, shitty privatized healthcare, shitty public education, high suicide rates, high mental illness rates, high incarceration rates, etc.
>>2535652nasty in what sense
>>2535761>If Putin dies they likely they have some contingency plan and a likeminded successor in mind to take his placeWell look at Khrushchev, he was one of Stalin's top guys. Gorby came up under Andropov, right? Putin came up under Yeltsin. That doesn't matter.
>Most of the Russian people are firmly aligned with the conservative nationalist ideology of Putin because all the leftists tend to either flee the country or get thrown in jail or die.I don't know if it's a majority. I don't know if most are leftists either, but Russians are masters of bluff. You'd have no idea what they're really thinking. Putin is great at bluff. I wouldn't want to be at a poker table with Russians. Or playing Secret Hitler or Among Us with Russians? No way.
>>2535778>look at Khrushchev, he was one of Stalin's top guys.He wasn't. USSR's top level councils/committees composition was majority of the loyalists + 1 tiebreaker vote against representatives of all kinds of opposition. Khruschev was, obviously, in the opposition.
Gorby was IIRC Chernenko's appointee. Putin and Yeltsin are from the same cloth, it's just that class interests of Russian bourgeoisie have shifted
>>2535329>doesn't really matter when you have no adThe main problem with catching out Zelensky for an Oreshnik strike is that Russia has to notify the US 30-60 mins beforehand that there'll be an Oreshnik strike in Ukraine (like it did last time). Otherwise it risks a nuclear exchange. That gives Zelensky time to scramble. I don't know how deep of a bunker the Oreshnik can penetrate, so let's suppose for the sake of argument that Zelensky has no safety in a bunker. Then it's a game of monitoring his movements with a drone or something for Oreshnik target selection 30-60 mins later. But at that point it just becomes about the psychological spectacle, because it's much less of a headache to monitor his unalerted movements with the same drone and then pop him with something that doesn't require US notification.
>>2535802i dont think zelensky is a "decision maker"
>>2535778>Russians are masters of bluff. You'd have no idea what they're really thinkingEh it's the 21st century, everyone in the world is broadcasting everything they are thinking on social media 24/7, information spreads very easily and it's not hard to figure out where public opinion stands. The support for Putin and far-right nationalism in Russia is genuine, just as the MAGA movement and their support for Trump in the United States is genuine. They have their state-run media RT which brainwashes conservative Russia with nationalist pro-Putin propaganda, the US has their state-run media FOX News which serves the same purpose for Trump.
>>2535778>Putin is great at bluff. I wouldn't want to be at a poker table with Russians. I consistently make Internet and pizza money on Polymarket betting against strong moves from Putin. Only reason I don't bet more money is that I live paycheck to paycheck and some of the resolutions I've seen outside the Ukraine war have been very sketchy.
>The first Russian soldiers have entered the easternmost parts of Lyman. The battle for the city has begun.
>>2535773you don't get it. see russians are backwards people so they die quicker when you hit them with backwards bullets. it's one of the many stunning and brave innovations ukraine has come up with during the war.
>>2535761>>2535778>glow-to-glow communication>>2535818thanks for the stalemate update
>>2535823Looking really bad for Ukraine in Pokrovsk, which means it's
HUMANITARIAN CORRIDOR, GOODWILL GESTURE, PHONE CALL WITH BLUMPF TIME!!! >>2535823 (me)
>>2535825 (me)
Oh, I forgot:
CUCKLER TIME!!! >>2535811>I consistently make Internet and pizza money on Polymarket betting against strong moves from Putin.I've stayed away from bets on this thing, but that's pretty clever. The Cucktin Portfolio.
>>2535831I think what you're seeing in Russia today is just a glimpse into the America of tomorrow.
>>2535832Didn't Marx gamble, or am I getting shit mixed up with the Marx Bros?
>>2535834He speculated on stocks which is basically the same thing so yes.
This reminds me that there's a Polymarket guy who's Russian (I think) and is one of the top guys. His name is Gopfan or something and has a Russian flag avatar. He's just robbing all these morons on Polymarket of their money and making off with the bag.
>>2535841Yeah, a bit of both. He speculated on stocks, but Google tells me I was thinking of one of the Marx Bros as the hardcore gambling addict.
>German Foreign Minister Johann Wadephul on Friday postponed an imminent diplomatic trip to China, over a dearth of meetings on his schedule.
>"The trip cannot take place at this time and will be postponed to a later date," said a spokesperson for Germany's Federal Foreign Office. With the exception of a sitdown with Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi, there were not enough meetings with the Beijing side on his agenda, the spokesperson added.
>Wadephul's bombshell will likely roil relations between Berlin and Beijing. It comes amid an increasing deterioration of Germany-China relations in recent months over Beijing's export curbs on rare earths and microchips, as well as German criticism over China's posture toward Taiwan and behavior in the South China Sea.
>A few hours earlier, German Economy Minister Katherina Reiche announced that Berlin was lodging a diplomatic protest against China for blocking semiconductor shipments. "We have been hit hard by the chip shortage because the German economy depends on these chips," she said in Kyiv.https://www.politico.eu/article/china-trip-by-german-top-diplomat-cancelled/
>Germany has been particularly affected by the worsening trade climate. Bild reported on Wednesday that Volkswagen is expected to halt production at key plants next week due to a shortage of semiconductors following the Dutch government’s seizure of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia. The Netherlands cited risks to the EU’s technological security, prompting Beijing to retaliate by banning exports of Nexperia chips from China. As inventories dwindle, more Volkswagen plants could face temporary shutdowns, and other automakers may also be affected, the paper said.https://www.rt.com/news/626924-german-diplomat-cancels-china-trip/lol, lmao even.
>>2535841>He speculated on stocksSo Marx used his capital to acquire more capital? If only there was a word for that…
>>2535862Something for you Armchair Warlords
>>2535866You gotta read about this guy Friedrich Engels
>>2535867>You gotta read about this guy Friedrich EngelsIt is my understanding that Marx inherited the equivalent of $130,000 USD in today dollars from a dead relative, and Friedrich Engels suggested he invest it into American railroad company stock and he ended up losing most of it because both he and Engels were shitty speculators and sucked at predicting the future.
Ukraine collapse status? Surely it takes more than all of you anticipated falling for kremlinbots. Is it ever happening anyway? Is Ukraine even on the menu anymore?
>>2535963>>2535955https://youtu.be/vCZHAlwVkKk?t=4801Here the guy says that Ukraine is a dictatorship that silences everybody, where people are getting shot for trying to run away or to speak out against the injustices, that "it's worse than North Korea"
>>2535955>>2535963Also, there's a story from somewhere in the beginning, where Romanian border guards heard the rumours of Ukrainian border guards putting a barbed wire onto the bottom of the river, and it outraged them so that they've sent a boat to cut it all up, because Ukraine would rather MURDER A PERSON BY DROWNING THEM IN THE BORDER RIVER than let them leave
The problem with nafoids both ITT and beyond, is their flat-out refusal to ever play devil's advocate with Russia, ditto their refusal to analyse Russia outside of projection to it being a "fellow" imperial state.
So there's no real cause to Russia's invasion, beyond whatever the motivations were for the imperial states to lie about WMDs in Iraq to justify invasion. Therefore, Russia must suffer from the same constraints as the West in Iraq.
>Beheading the state has to come quickly, because the use of hard power is considered "gauche" and the longer the "invasion"-part continues, the more likely Russian liberals are going to rise the masses against it without moving on to merely occupation peacekeeping and doing all the nice soft-power, liberalising stuff where further fighting is only against evil holdouts who hate liberalism
>The conflict is solely about profit, so it must not cost anything to fight, Russian weapons manufacturers are no doubt pleased but while the US is run by the MIC and thus wars never stop being profitable, Russia is "le benzin station with nooks" and now this conflict is costing the Russian oligarchy with Ukraine's attacks on energy who will rise up against the Kremlin just as we expect Raytheon to hire a PMC to invade Washington DC if the high-tech, low-stakes interventionism ever ends
>Russia is using an all volunteer army AND sign-up bonuses have increased during the conflict, that means no one in the Russian military wants to risk death fighting Ukraine any more than US Troops who signed up to fight in the War on Terror because the salary would buy them a Dodge Challenger did, therefore as soon as the conflict starts getting a bit dangerous, all the troops are going to start mass committing suicide, suffering from PTSD, writing books decrying how pointless the war was and they were lied to some of which will be turned into movies where you WILL watch the Murhines cry, etc
So by all projection, this conflict shouldn't have lasted longer than a month, because we wouldn't expect the US military to exhibit any tenacity given the same circumstances, where the circumstances are framed as "Iraq, but Saddam is actually capable of fighting back and even getting some shots in at the US itself".
They ultimately are as angry as they are because open fighting has lasted for longer than a month, its lasted nearly four years, their desire to project on to Russia as a "fellow" imperial state have therefore failed. They cannot support NATO support for Ukraine as anti-imperialist action and they're back to square one as citizens living in the sole imperial bloc. They cannot retweet gore vids of Russian soldiers to absolve themselves as Anarchists of, ultimately, being okay with US Imperialism *if* they can believe it clashes with other non-existent imperialists.
>>2535979 (You)
And if there are no other imperialists, if NATO really is the sole global authority and they're kind of just living with it and quite likely even benefiting from it, if they're not leaving the comfort of the garden fight for Rojava or dare I say it, Russia, (either at home or abroad) then that's a problem for the Anarchist psyche. Isn't it?
>>2535955>Ukraine collapse status? Surely it takes more than all of you anticipated falling for kremlinbots. Is it ever happening anyway? Is Ukraine even on the menu anymore?Is trolling an anon thread compensating for pro Ukraine doomers in msm and social media
>>2535979There was an article by Stalin
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1939/03/10.htm where he was talking about how there are status quo imperialists, who sit on their hard-earned plunder, and aggressive imperialists, who want to justly redivide the world. Russia, in all world conflicts, whether Russia communist or not, somehow was on the side of status quo, same as China. USA and Europe, however, went from status quo to aggressive camp, in that they want to redivide the world, or more specifically - balkanize all the countries they don't like, Russia, Iran, India, China, Venezuela, etc etc. This is the most one can say to put Russia into imperialist category - Russia is defending it's trade with Europe, by now it's all lost anyway, so Russia has moved on to trade with China and India; Russia's conflict with Ukraine is purely a defensive war for Russia, one where Russia is more than happy with the result being neutral(ized) Ukraine
As a bonus, get a load of this Trot conspiracy theorizing that there was a millions-dead large famine in Siberia in 1941
https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/writers/wright/1941/02/18thconf.htm >>2535761>because all the leftists tend to either flee the country or get thrown in jail or die.Liberals
>>2536021they're still upset about pussy riot i guess
>>2536005Tbh I reckon it might be more about the decision being made to steal Russian assets and use them to fund Ukraine, because that's undeniably a big risk to the financial security of Europe if that results in the Euro and British Pound losing their status as hard currencies and the US seems to be sure enough that it will to avoid doing it themselves.
You get the occasional Pole who states economic ruin is a small price to pay to make Putin cry, but the vast majority of pro-Ukrainian takes I've seen concerning the economic effects of sanctions and essentially providing Ukraine an economy are variants of
>We have a hard currency whereas Russia does not, that's an infinite money cheat and we can borrow what we like>Practically no one in the west does business with Russia so anyone who loses out over sanctions deserves it>Increases prices in oil and gas is good because it makes nuclear renewable power more lucrative>So much money gets spent on war shit anyway, spending such amounts on Ukraine isn't even noteworthy>Everything we're giving to Ukraine was old, already paid for and due to be scrappedOverall dismissing that economic war with Russia could possibly backfire, increasingly though a lot of that is being undermined by the increase in living costs in the West, the reports of mass job losses as fossil fuel prices increase, the narrative over weapon supplies changing in that Ukraine now needs the latest and most expensive weapons just to continue fighting, etc.
Even these last six months or so of frequent drone strikes against Russian oil and gas facilities have to be re-contextualised as not risk-less death blows to Russia's stability that Ukraine and NATO just chose to not do for three years for no reason, but rather quite risky and even self-harming acts that are just hedging their bets for when they do the unthinkable and say
>Those assets you've stored in the garden? Yeah, there ours now. We took them. And we're spending them on funding your enemyAnd who does their banking with that kind of attitude? They can only hope that Russia does collapse and reparation extracted before the effects of just taking another state's assets in what is in all legal senses "peacetime" are felt. If Russia was currently collapsing because the strikes has convinced India and China that Russia is no longer a reliable source of energy, or because the strikes causes a crisis in the Kremlin over disagreements about retaliation, then perhaps the great reparations loan switcheroo would work and we'd never need to find out whether the EU was
seriously considering theft, as it stands though, looks like they're going to go through with it and quite likely support for Ukraine will demand more than chanting Slava Ukraini online.
The world drastically changed in the aftermath of the 1973 oil crisis proved oil to not be a rock solid source of near-infinite money, quite possibly, stealing Russian assets could change it again by undermining neoliberalism's hyper-dependence on financial services in destroying the trust towards their currencies as being rock solid.
>>2536044The West will steal Russia's assets and Cucktin will not be able to do anything in retaliation because all Western companies already exited Russia in the first week of the war.
>>2536057Russia can hurt Shell (and Kazakhstan) real bad by blocking the use of Russian pipelines, for example
>>2536057I'd be more worried about the West losing its resource colony and cheap manufacturing center over one avoidable crisis and failed war on Russia
>>2536044Ill go out on a limb and say that this asset seizure is brinkmanship on the backfoot that can never come to pass. Not because of the direct financial harm that can be metabolised. But setting the precedence that private property can be violated without compensation in the national strategic interest: not in only a total war, not only against an existential ideological opponent but over a regional periphery war with a capitalist state. That is far too low a bar and far too much precedence set for finance capital to bestow the state apparatus, that will realistically in the future face similar conflicts and domestic populist crises that may seize state organs.
The eurocrats are bellowing in their rational interest to protect the prestige of the institutions they serve. But the institution itself is the vehicle of higher bourgeois interests that rightly consider this an anathema to their long term interest.
>>2536082They didn't expropriate Nazis' gold and assets, but now they act like Putin is worse than Nazis, somehow.
>>2536082Absolutely reasonable take and I’d agree, but everything we’ve seen since 2022 has been sustained downgrading from the ideal that prestige was built on where western financial power was so great that they were going to destroy Russia in a matter of weeks via sanctions justified by a low intensity conflict with Ukraine they themselves agitated for by showering the “right” people with lots of USAIDs. And I’m thinking getting to the point where they’re for all intents and purposes attacking Russia directly and preparing themselves to steal assets despite the risks is because prestige is all there was, the financial situation at the state level was already fucked after years of the neoliberal bourgeoisie being like “why can’t I eat it all now!?” with the economy. Quite possibly the situation has been zombified since 2008 and this (as well as Covid) is the first time politicians have actually needed to flex their financial institutions since, after years of passing more and more austerity and come up with the bourgeoisie turning out their pockets and shaking their heads. Not their back pockets though mind you and states hardly have the authority to look there now.
So, the only hope for refilling the state piggy bank is foreign investment which isn’t coming after all this so fuck it, just start stealing and tempting fate with striking a nuclear power, their big tech global finance bourgeoisie have already decided the domestic state’s obsolescence.
>>2536153man imagine if instead of spending trillions of rubles on nonstop wars putin actually invested in russian people and infrastructure instead. modern russia is like a parody of america.
>>2536181>putin actually invested in russian people and infrastructure instead. modern russia is like a parody of america.Modern Russia is clean, hobo-less and without rainbow denegerates parading through the streets
USA has collapsing infrastructure, fentanyl addicts and human feces all over the pavement in your average downtown city
Americans should congratulate themselves on creating the most anti-human society to ever exist… A tower of Babel and Sodom of Gomorrah
>>2536188RE infrastructure: most infrastructure in Russia was built in the SU and is slowly rotting away.
>>The overall wear and tear of utility networks in Russia is around 40%, reaching 80% in some regions, said Minister of Construction and Housing and Utilities Irek Faizullin during a government hour in the Federation Council on February 21.https://www.vedomosti.ru/society/articles/2024/11/14/1074891-obnovlenie-kommunalnoi-infrastrukturi-ne-uspevaet-za-ee-vetshaniem >>2536181At least that way Russia won't get colonized. The opposite will never happen because it is an unrealistic fantasy, any leadership in Russia that launches an internal war against Russian capital would only be more martial than the current regime that is under the ridiculous delusion that the USA will give up imperialism in the name of traditional Christian values. Demanding that the Russian state should decrease military spending in favour of social spending is a liberal talking point. The real goals of liberals would be so unpopular among Russians that they are forced to hide those goals by appropriating socialist language. The only thing that is genuine in this demand is the demilitarisation of Russia, which would necessarily lead to its colonisation by the West and an even further decrease in social spending.
>>2536188You do not know what Russia looks like. I definitely never saw anything in the same realm as crowds of rotting crack zombies frozen in the streets like some of the scariest American footage shows, but drugs, hobos, lack of cleanliness and maintenance, aged infrastructure are all distinct features of life almost everywhere in Russia since 1991. And you would be very disappointed about the degeneracy too.
>>2536198Not "would be", they were so unpopular they left the country in 2022 and are imploding ever since. There's a reason westoids leaned into dehumanization so hard: their original plan of color revolution failed so hard as to be unsalvageable. Even before 2022, the only thing liberals could do was to vote for KPRF strategically. The party that demanded crushing Ukraine in 2014.
.>>2536181
At least that way Russia won't get colonized. The opposite will never happen because it is an unrealistic fantasy, any leadership in Russia that launches an internal war against Russian capital would only be more martial than the current regime that is under the ridiculous delusion that the USA will give up imperialism in the name of traditional Christian values. Demanding that the Russian state should decrease military spending in favour of social spending is a liberal talking point. The real goals of liberals would be so unpopular among Russians that they are forced to hide those goals by appropriating socialist language. The only thing that is genuine in this demand is the demilitarisation of Russia, which would necessarily lead to its colonisation by the West and an even further decrease in social spending
Banan status?
>>2535803But it's really important to my psychological well being and ego integrity that a country and politician that I hate order his execution with nuclear weapons anyway.
>>2535906compare the video and the people in that video with the people in this video (
2013).
Prozorov said about the video:
>I'm preparing a book about the Maidan for publication and came across an old video. December 2013. From the perspective of the 12 years that have passed, I would now grab those people and shake them until all the foolishness was shaken out of them. Because it was they, the simple, deceived ordinary people, who brought the country to its current state… >>2536005it's all GIVAS. givas more weapons, giveas more money. their doomerism is never an excuse to cede on other side's demands, but to double down. but gotta love it when they get shaken, because they run the best olympiad mental gymnastics, i.e. "But It's NOT a Russian Win".
>>2536286>givas as a national ideologyGusanos, literally fucking worms
>>2535971>>2535967>>2535963reminder that already in 2024 the TIsza river was named the
river of death because of the many people that drowned trying to flee the war. how many really have died? it'll be a forever mystery.
>>2536296the brainwashed people, doing brainwashed things.
>>2536181He did. Russia avoided war while achieving a unique post Soviet recovery. It is now on par with Poland, a celebrated EU project.
The issue is Western countries stagnated in the post 2008 period, when neoliberalism bankrupted itself, and reached for war to solve their snowballing problems by the 2020s
>>>2535979 (You)
So do we type 'me' or 'You' when self-replying? Or is there a word filter now that makes 'me' into 'You'? Doesn't 'me' make more sense? Because when I see the 'You', only the slightly larger font or a mouseover tells me it's not a reply to one of my own posts :-/
>>2536321>drownedah yes, the gunshot wounds unfortunately allowed water to enter the body, cause of death, drowning!
>>2536057>The West will steal Russia's assets and Cucktin will not be able to do anything in retaliation because all Western companies already exited Russia in the first week of the war.Yes and no.
Belgium and Germany themselves have admitted recently that Russia can 'steal' their assets worth hundreds of billions of Euros in retaliation.
But it's Putin, the guy still sending critical commodities to countries that are helping Ukraine kill his men, so…might not get any retaliatory hardball of the kind that China made to send the European automotive industry into a tailspin.
>>2536409of course that's the "official story", probably ua nazi soldiers fired shots at innocents, too.
>>2536410>the guy still sending critical commodities to countries What commodities? What countries?
>>2536266>There might be a way for Russia to use them for organ donations if collected fast enough. Russian dudes who drink a gallon of vodka a day can get a new liver.Nafoid concern for the Russian people is deep and sincere.
>>2536202Social media posts about birth rates are the most chud-coded thing ever.
fwiw:
>❗️There is a ballistic threat for the next 48 hours from all available directions from Russia to Ukraine
>🔴 Communications of the command points of the Russian strategic aviation have been detected
>🔴Unusual activity at the Engels-2 military airfield
>‼️Additional activity noted at the airfield "Dyagilevo"!
lots of training exercises happening, tho, and even if it's an impending attack, no signs yet of anything qualitatively different from previous strike packages. but at least we're getting energy infra attacks now.
What I've noticed over a year of NOTAMs and official Ukrainian alerts+response to ballistic threats from Kapustin Yar / Astrakhan is that if Russia wanted to, it could bring political life to a standstill in Kiev simply by having observable activity in the region every day. It wouldn't have to fire a single missile.
>Russia is using BM-35 drones and striking Ukrainian wind turbines in Kramatorsk
It's happening. Shit is hitting the fan.
<I will meet with Putin only on the condition that there is a full understanding about concluding a peace agreement in Ukraine — Trump
>Hopefully this will be the end of the Blumpf negotiations charade. Ideally we'd see "We accept these terms, Blumpf - come back to us when you have a serious offer" or even a quiet ghosting, but CF analysis shows that instead we're likely to see more primal screams blaming Kiev, blaming Rubio, blaming Europe, etc., for not getting that chance to meet with Trump and gas him up and commiserate over his not getting the Nobel.
>>2536445final phase started.
<Kirill Dmitriev caused some excitement over the past day by claiming that Zelensky had finally recognized reality and agreed to something more realistic. Lots of folks thought some diplomatic breakthrough had been achieved. Turns out, Kirill meant that Zelensky is no longer asking for a withdrawal but a freeze/ceasefire, the same freeze/ceasefire he's been demanding with Europe and America for months.
>>2536188>Modern Russia is clean, hobo-lessis this bait or have you never been outside of moscow city
Ukrainian army trajectory:
2022 - Big successful offensive
2023 - Big failed offensive
2024 - Smaller failed offensive
2025 - No offensive
wonder what 2026 will hold…
I hope you realize where we're all going with this. When Zelenskyy gets overthrown, Zelenskyy ends up taking the knot on both sides of the Pacific and Atlantic for the Ukraine debacle.
>>2536770I hope you realize no one panics here about Russian homophobia / lack of homophobia. If the Russians are homophobes, the folks here are anti idpol. If they're not, they like LGBT.
The big deal here is that NATO Delenda Est, America Delenda Est, Roma Delenda Est.
>>2536181>man imagine if instead of spending trillions of rubles on nonstop wars putinNATO expansion and CIA proxy wars stopped him from doing that
>>2536854Ukrainian counteroffensive
>>2536866>I hope you realize no one panics here about Russian homophobia / lack of homophobia. I didn't bring that up. I'm talking about Russian pop culture. A lot of it looks to be about making money and looking really rich and hanging out with / or being a hot supermodel. You can just watch it on YouTube. Then someone will be like "they don't have that in Russia unlike the degenerate West." I don't know about that, to be perfectly honest.
One of the last Russians I met irl (who also supported the SMO) was gay. You don't normally see me bring up homophobia unless other people do. Correct me if I do and I don't realize it, but I see this anti-gay business that's out there in the world as more of a swindle and usually (vastly) hypocritical, and people who accept it will accept a lot of shit.
>>2537084Is the deadline at midnight today or the midnight between Monday and Tuesday.
>>2536817some people want to idealize Russia for the wrong reasons.
>>2537268>>2536817>and without rainbow denegerates parading through the streetsIt's bait, in the English speaking world being anti-Ukraine is an exclusively right-wing position (ironically), because the Russian state frames itself as a bastion of traditional values and Tucker Carlson explicitly compared the Moscow Metro's cleanliness to the designated fentanyl addict streets in San Francisco.
So one of the go-to non-arguments for nafoids ITT is pointing out our only "allies" in being anti-NATO in Ukraine are rightoids, who have all fucked off to support Ukraine anyway now that Trump has a slapped arse from negotiations failing. Of course, we're allowed to be anti-NATO in any other circumstance.
>>2537318>English speaking world being anti-Ukraine is an exclusively right-wing positionfunny thing, though, Ukraine is fairly more reactionary, nazism aside, than Russia is.
from 2010, to 2022, I remember checking the LGBT tolerance across Europe, and Ukraine was far more homophobic. Twice homophobic.
>>2537331Oh for sure, but that's always been the irony behind the Twitter artist drawing a trans Azov fighter, we're expecting a level of "actually caring" from people who reside in the west, where the abolition of ties with Saudi Arabia over their LGBT "rights" are a nice to have that no one is exactly tearing down the state over.
It's just the value of "western values", sometimes a given value is important enough to risk WW3 over but other times it's merely a nagging desire for things to just be better.
>>2537390Nice try CIA, that's anti-communist bullshit. Real communists know that proletarians should kill each other, instead of killing their ruling class.
>>2537390>>2537391Shameless samefagging, no I will not be accepting a screenshot demonstrating that one of the posts was made on a different device
>>2537391>>2537390start with (You)r ruling class first.
>>2537391Coherently define a "ruling class" in Russia that the SMO would benefit. Go on.
>>2537409Landowner farmers
>>2537409They annexed gigantic amounts of lands and resources and added millions of people to their stagnating population
>>2537409Probably the politicians, CEOs and landlords
>B-But what about ukraineI don't think anyone would mind if these "people" there got what they deserved as well.
>>2537401Sure I will, but tell me, if Russian proles start killing their rulers, would you support that?
>>2537390true. Why is your ruling class still alive then?
>>2537429>sure I willno you won't, posting b8 24/7 ITT.
>would you support thatonly if I see the head of your (nato) ruling class on a pike or your proxy/puppet state that sucks bone dry the US ruling class dick burning in a fire pit, yes I would.
now go get 'em.
>>2537434So you dont support Russian proles killing their ruling class?
>>2537430You wont like the answer
Hint : Its a country people like to "critically support"
>>2537435only when I see (You)rs dying first.
wan't I clear enough? you libtard, fascit-loving troll.
>>2537424>theystunningly accurate definition. Now thats analysis
>>2537429>if Russian proles start killing their rulersI mean, depend on how nato backed or socialist they seem. Id prefer for them to do that once nato is humiliated. But my support anyway is meaningless, contrary to the support of my government giving billions to ukronazis
More importantly, why are you obsessed with a government your imperialist country is waging war on? Why are you not focused on the defeat of your own imperialists masters first?
>>2537438So let me be clear, lets say Russian proles get at it first due to chance, you wouldnt support it and would support instead Putin crushing the proles.
>>2537436>You wont like the answertell it anyway rather than assuming shit and muddying the conversation. Come on comrade : from where are you talking, what are you actually defending or attacking and what are you trying to accomplish?
>>2537441Let me be clear: that would be a cia operation to balkanize Russia, and perpetuate nato hegemon. while you are sitting here doing b8, Russia is killing nazis. what are you doing besides farting and brown-stanning your chair.
>>2537439>More importantly, why are you obsessed with a government your imperialist country is waging war on? I have no country, I'm a proletarian.
>Why are you not focused on the defeat of your own imperialists masters first?I am focused, and the success of my activities in my country would be enhanced if other workers in other countries do the same. So I encourage all workers worldwide. That's what internatioanlism and solidarity means.
Interesting that as a communist you dont seem to know these things.
>>2537448Interesting. Workers who potentially fight against the capitalist class of Russia for the many millions of justifiable reasons (which being a supposed communist you should know all of them), are actually evil and should be suppressed.
With communists like you, who even needs fascists.
Speaking of revolutionary defeatism, we're supposed to believe that the entire Russian population are poised to overthrow Putin for humiliating them, but also revolutionary defeatism is getting excited for that and not seeking an concurrent defeat of our own in NATOpia.
Anyway I said my piece. I'll be leaving this thread so you dont have to keep refreshing every minute desperately for my reply. You can go back to celebrating the hundreds of thousands of dead proles. Ill just go back to watching my sports. We all have our different ways of relaxing, after all.
>>2537452>interestingwhat it's interesting it's the question you will never answer:
>when are you going to put trump's head on a pikeany time soon? or are you tarnishing your seat with your brainfarts for a couple of generations until your soul leave your body.
>>2537458>Ill just go back to watching my sports.I mean, that's just so proletarian.. I feel positively petit bourg now.
Fuck off poser.
>>2533031A little bit hard to read, but the ukraine flag means russia returned ukrainian bodies, and the russian flag is ukraine returning russian bodies
>>2537409>Coherently define a "ruling class" in Russia that the SMO would benefit. Go onThat's the irony. The ruling class doesn't want the SMO. Russia doesn't need land or resources. It doesn't export capital, on the contrary it binds itself in a union with other commodity producers.
Basically nothing about this war relates to competition among advanced states expanding global capitalism. It'd a reaction to the overwhelming success of such thing reaching the point it overcame, at least temporarily, such competition. This then led to European unification and expansion into Eurasia in parallel to America securing the seas around former European colonies
>>2537084>Ukrainians have until tomorrow before the road of life is closed, if Cucktin don't save them again I've just checked 2-3 dozen commentators who are on the ball, and there are zero details on the precise nature of the offer given to the encircled Ukros in Pokrovsk. Quite a bit of anxiety that the Kremlin is actually offering them safe passage out, which is the bullshit that happened in Mariupol and allowed Azov commanders to flee.
>>2535825>Looking really bad for Ukraine in Pokrovsk, which means it's HUMANITARIAN CORRIDOR, GOODWILL GESTURE, PHONE CALL WITH BLUMPF TIME!!!Called it.
>>2537625stop posting nazi propaganda
>>2537399>Shameless samefagging, no I will not be accepting a screenshot demonstrating that one of the posts was made on a different deviceI've never understood the point of the screenshot 'proof'. Doesn't even need a different device, tbh. One quick IP reset on the phone via airplane mode has been doing the trick on 4chud for years. Or just some 10-second edit via a graphics tool or built-in browser dev tool to eliminate the (You).
>>2537458>Anyway I said my piece. I'll be leaving this thread so you dont have to keep refreshing every minute desperately for my reply. You can go back to celebrating the hundreds of thousands of dead proles. Ill just go back to watching my sports. We all have our different ways of relaxing, after all.is the 'performative disengager' back? lols
Аноньчики))
>>2537625>hacked all Kremlin servers<with an SQLI<in 2025lmfao. sure buddy.
>>2537975Ohh they made a big mistake this time… Putin's really gonna be taking off the gloves this time
>>2537664It’s the same as when some group would “hack the NSA”, which was just some public web server.
>>2538041don't cry
fascism w/or w/o liberal tears when a country with 6 large reservoirs and hundreds of small reservoirs and in range for most missiles get kalibrated.
>>2537642In the IRC/forum days used to call this a “flounce”.
>>2536480Most Kievans stopped paying attention to air raid warnings about six months in.
>>2538092Those are for the normie missiles. There have been only a few warnings for Oreshniks. They result in embassy alerts, and Ukraine's politicians abandon their usual locations for the day.
>>2536480>>2538092>>2538099Kiev has different detection systems, for different systems. Each weapon system has its unique heat, radio frequency, and general signature. Kiev was supplied with this warning systems.
supplied by guess who. Israel. and before that, by the US.
>>2537907project pluto, but anti-imperialist
belgorod status?
What's the delay with the destruction of the Ukro troops in Pokrovsk and Kupyansk? Just do it instead of giving them ultimatums and time to walk (with mercy for the commanders). Holy fuck, it's Mariupol all over again.
>>2538099Unless Comrade Cucktin actually strikes “decision making” centres then it will become just background noise like the normal air raids.
>>2538060>>2538041Ukraine knows or doesn't believe Putin will do it
>>2538136Letting Ukraine waste troops by trying to resupply and hold is preferable to alternatives
>>2538140he's letting them walk
>>2538136Russians are trying to just get enough of the Donbas for the negotiations Trump is going to force through.
>>2538141You think Ukraine will take the option?
>>2538144The flights to Turkey for any Azov commanders are being primed right now :-/
I've had it with Christcucks, quite frankly
>>2538145Russia hates it's own image and was negotiating with terrorists for the sake of closer peace. But Westoids and Ukraine were in full ingrate mode at the time, and didn't reciprocate Russia's offers. Russia chose metaphysical moral high ground over practical position of unbendable strength
>>2538149Imagine trying to fight Nazi Germany with all this fraternal kindness and cheek-turning and doing it while Russian citizens are being killed in terror attacks. Holy fuck.
Reminder that Wagner didn't fuck around like this.
>>2538155Yeah
>>2538157Wagner had horrible k/d ratios and was spending money on propaganda instead of weapons and skills just like Ukrainians do.
>>2538159>Wagner had horrible k/d ratiosThat was unironically Ukro propaganda.
They were moving so fast that Russian logistics couldn't keep up with them, hence all the whining about shells.
But their goal (the liquidation of Ukraine) didn't align with the Kremlin's goal (not rocking the boat and blowing a small territorial deal with the Western partners)
>This has been clearly the big battle since about late August-September when the Russians began to launch their major effort to try to capture Pokrovsk, as we've discussed in many places it's an important road junction. It's a big town in itself. Its capture further opens the way for the Russians to advance west of the Dniepr and to advance northward to basically encircle or outflank Ukrainian positions elsewhere in Donbass in the cities there. It looks as if we are probably almost at the end in Pokrovsk, Ukrainian resistance is said to be collapsing, the latest reports were that the Ukrainians are now pulling back, that they're withdrawing from most of Pokrovsk and also from the adjoining town of Myrnohrad, which is basically a big suburb of Pokrovsk. And it looks as if this battle is going to be over within the next couple of days, week, two weeks, who knows exactly, but it is basically over. And that is going to have consequences. It's one of the last big pieces on the Donbass chess board that remained to be taken. It's about to be taken. That leaves basically three places left the three big places left. Slovyansk, Kramatorsk, Kostyantynivka, of those three Kostyantynivka fighting is already apparently is not apparently is taking place inside Kostyantynivka. If you look at the map, it is impossible to defend Kostyantynivka. If you lose Pokrovsk, if you lose Kostyantynivka, that leaves only two places, Slovyansk, Kramatorsk. The Russians are also gradually tightening their positions to the north of these places as well. Kupiansk, Lyman, Siversk, it's all basically about Slovyansk, Kramatorsk. You could see that this is the battle of Donbass is now finally after you know two tough years of a Russian offensive. The the Russian offensives to capture Donbass began in October 23 after the Ukrainian counterattack was defeated. After two tough years of fighting, we're coming close to the point when it ends.
>>2538166Russia is advancing on such a wide front now (relatively to this war, obviously) that Myrnograd's encirclement could be repeated on both Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, to avoid assaulting them. Same with Orekhov in the south
>>2538169Encircle the Banderites and then get the order to let them go. No wonder the Banderites hang on so long.
>>2538169>Russia is advancing on such a wide front now truly. izyum siversk chasiv yar pokrovsk are all disintegrating at once into the gigacauldron. and even that ignores the zap front
>>2538174It's also basic strategy, not always cuckery. During sieges If you give the enemy a way out, just enough to them having a chance to leave, but not to get any supply in then you reduce their will to resist and you can still pick them off while they retreat (when most of the casualties come when sieges and cauldrons end). If you totally encircle everything, you have to take extra casualties for just to do that, but then you also have to deal with the besieged enemies behaving like animals driven into the corner and still stuck within their fortifications where they might surrender or they might just make a desperate last stand, which is just gonna cost even more men and resources for your side to clear out.
>>2538136yeah who cares about civilians and humanitarian concerns. more like cuckitarian amirite comrades. rules based order not international law based order. they should just flatten the whole of ukraine. take a page from israel book and write the rules for everyone else to follow. might makes right and russia stronk. just replace usa as the new rule maker. thats what all tru multipolaristas strive for
>>2538197People keep posting this Art of War thing on social media, but note the difference between (1) lowering the pressure to pick them off and (2) letting them go completely.
>>2535589Look at those stagnant frontlines, look how good it was about to be at the beggining, fuck you Putin.
>>2538203Anyone who runs is a Khokhol. Anyone who stands still is a well-disciplined Khokhol
>ukraine getting btfo all over the front
>nafobots, ultras and cucktinposters busy counseling despair and spreading fud
never change /ukr/
>>2538264WHY WON'T HE JUST BLITZKRIEG UKRAINE? 11 YEARS STAGNANT LINES. HAS PUTIN NEVER HEARD OF HEARTS OF IRON IV?
>>2538252You say that for months and then Putin lets them go.
>>2538264I'm not a blitzkrieg advocate, but with regard to why Putin doesn't do A, B, and C in general, he has to kinda
not do the obvious, because if he did the obvious, Russians would start suspecting that anyone can fill his shoes. :) That's why you see a lot of inanities.
>>2538264Idiot. They will be expecting that. Hook north through the nordics.
Vladimir Zelensky expects Ukraine to be able to fight Russia for up to three more years, Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk has told the Sunday Times. The Ukrainian leader’s reported remark comes as the EU looks for new ways to fund Kiev, eyeing Russia’s frozen central bank assets as an option.
In an interview with the British newspaper on Saturday, Tusk quoted Zelensky as saying that “he hopes that the war will not last ten years, but that Ukraine is ready to fight for another two, three years.” Should the conflict with Russia drag on longer, Zelensky is “anxious about the toll the war would take on its population and economy,” the Polish prime minister said.
>>2537317Grenade Santa 2.0
>>2537458The important thing is that you have found a way to feel morally superior.
>>2537678Russia is not an imperialist country, neither is China NAFO-leftcom poster.
Long-range Flamingo projectile is facing technical snags and funding delays, the Ukrainian leader has said
Zelensky admits ‘problem’ with new missile
Ukrainian leader Vladimir Zelensky in London, England, October 24, 2025. © WPA Pool / Getty Images
The production of Ukraine’s long-range Flamingo missile has encountered both technical setbacks and financing delays, Ukrainian leader Vladimir Zelensky has said, adding that the procurement order would be ready in several weeks.
Zelensky first announced that development of the Flamingo was underway in August, touting it as Ukraine’s first domestically produced long-range cruise missile, which he claimed has a range of up to 3,000km. Some analysts, however, have noted its close resemblance to the FP-5 system unveiled by British-UAE defense company Milanion Group earlier this year at an arms expo in Abu Dhabi.
In an interview with TSN on Sunday, Zelensky acknowledged that “there was a technological problem at the production of Flamingo,” adding that “there is a delay in financing from partners, which is being resolved.” Nevertheless, he claimed that the order for the missiles “would be fully fulfilled by the end of the year.”
le humanitarian roads of life
>>2538334If I'm still seeing Zelensky's alive face three years from now, I'm going to abandon geopolitics forever. That I can tell you.
Someone seems to found a new way of saying le interimperialist conflict
>>2538383The Jackal is a great movie.
>>2538266He's trying to pull the Americans back into negotiations. That's why in the last couple of days he's done a video shoot wearing military clothing and talking about his new cruise missile that won't be operational until 2027. As with the Oreshnik, the Americans don't care, because they don't believe he'll ever use his weapons on significant targets.
>>2538372>Feelz over reelzk
Day 1,345 of the special military operation
>>2538398what is the feel and what is the real?
>>2538399You're out of the loop. The trolls call it the Slow Motion Operation now.
>>2538406The communists aren't exploiting his weakness toward Ukraine and the increasing domestic pressure from the hardliners. The most they can do is spend a year calling for the destruction of the Yeltsin Center.
The way Russia handled Chechen war should have already been the red flag that made people realize how cucked and pathetic this country this. A bunch of disgusting terrorists attacked and raped innocents and what did Russia do? Make peace with them via allowing those terrorists who were allegedly "pro Russia" to take power instead.
Also somehow that war took 4 years and apparently more Russians than Chechens died. Like wtff. Russia hates its own people.
China is legit the only non cucked country on the planet. Every other country considers its own people to be a disposable resource.
>>2538443Kek can't wait for "Pro Russia Azov" to take power after Zelenaky and sign a peace deal with Cucktin and then for Russian media to quietly junk all the "antifascist" talking points.
>>2538450Biletsky's eastern Azov (the most Nazi ones) are at odds with the smaller western branch (the language nationalist ones). But I think a deal would split Ukraine into two between those camps.
>>2538443>A bunch of disgusting terrorists attacked and raped innocentsNot nessesarily saying you are wrong, but you sound like a Zionist talking about October 7th there.
>>2538501Well the Chechens did kill and rape a crap ton of people during their expeditions to Dagestan. Religious chauvinism aside that was just the standard experience of post-soviet collapse warfare (see also the Azeri-Armenian wars, or the Uzbek intervention in Tajikistan).
>>2538334>Vladimir Zelensky expects Ukraine to be able to fight Russia for up to three more years, Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk has told the Sunday Times.Pretty sure this is still related to stealing Russian assets, because the claim was that doing so ought to fund Ukraine's costs for around 3 years. So this is just establishing that if they do it, then Zelensky is confident that it will not have been in vain.. at least in so far as it will actually get spent on fighting Russia, not necessarily that they'll win in 3 years.
>>2538501>tone policing when talking about wars and atrocitiesWe aren't burgers, war is real to us in a way it never was to you. We are allowed to speak without political correctness bullshit
>>2538375Thanks papa Stalin aka Koba aka Иосиф Виссарионович Джугашвили
>>2538086Cucktin truly deserving of his name
It’s interesting you only ever see ITT one kind of dissenter at a time, as in you never see
>Putler targeting kindergarten/hospital/apartment blocks because he’s losing
anon sparing with
>Cucktin is far too soft on Ukrainian civilians, the life of a Russian soldier is worth millions of civilians lives
>>2538538
>Successor of Nikolay The Second
Nobody is that cucked.
>>2538536the retard complaining about the kindergarten was some dumb nafo poster who got lost from 4chan and then got banned. he kept saying pidor repeatedly and cycling vpns. real cucktin posters would never complain about kindergartens being bombed because what is kiev other than one giant kindergarten and what is a nuke other than a type of bomb?
So, are we done yet with this sideshow war? Since Russia is finally winning at accelerating rates, with Ukies finally breaking down between the death toll and inadequate support, can we stick to paying attention to Taiwan next?
>>2538874What's the last picture?
<omg think of the poor proles being killed by poopin's genocidal war
>OMG WHY ISN'T LE POOPIN EXTERMINATING EVERY SOLDIER IN POKROVSK
Im just sending out a message to all the glowies no doubt monitoring this thread. If you try WW3, or if you try to use my country as a proxy in your bloodthirsty wars, I will rape and torture every single member of the ruling class that I can get my hands on
>>2539015Don't worry, they're local ruling class. Western glowies don't care.
Im just sending out a message to all the wannabe tough guys no doubt monitoring this thread. We will use your country as a proxy, we will extract all your resources, you will slave away your life working for us, you will see your wives, sisters and children prostituting themselves, you will be tortured for fun and giggles and you will do nothing except ineptly screeching on some obscure imageboard..
>>2538201>civilians and humanitarian concernsBitch the ukros have had a billion years to get out of the warzone, at this point they are dedicating themselves to act as human shields for azov. Fuck. Literally the entire western world with arms open and they decide to sit for years living in poverty waiting so they can be drafted into Azov. "just civilians, bro". Give me a fucking break.
>>2539075They've had since 2014 to get out
>they're too poor to afford plane ticketsLiterally just walk or drive across the Belarusian border and Uncle Luka will grant refugee status if you work for a collective farm. The problem is Ukrainians are genuinely stupid and thought the EU would give them 20 trillion dollars like Poland.
>>2539079>despite the entire west offering me refuge My ukrainian refuge neighbors for three years have just been deported back to Ukraine by the way.
>>2539093
So this is just about ziggers wanting to feel like zionists for once?
>>2539095Bro I don't care I'm Russian I'm going to kill you and take your stuff.
>>2539096I will find you and drone you.
>>2539095Remind me when Gazans had years of warning to get refuge in the richest European countries?
>>2539068>Bitch the ukros have had a billion years to get out of the warzone, at this point they are dedicating themselves to act as human shields for azov. Fuck. Literally the entire western world with arms open and they decide to sit for years living in poverty waiting so they can be drafted into Azov. "just civilians, bro". Give me a fucking break.Doesn't really work that way. Many especially elderly have property and old roots there. Additionally, believe it or not many miss Ukraine once in Europe. Being a low skill refugee with no connections in a foreign culture sucks. Even in a similar one like Poland.
>>2539068Men are entirely unable to leave Ukraine. You would know if you weren't a nafotard
Thread is going to need a warning sign to caution pass-byers of the fucking edge you can come across, yikes.
>>2539068or they are waiting in basements for liberators to arrive because they dont want to be dirlewanger'd by azov
>>2538536I only Cucktin post when Putin does something retarded like let Azovites go or when they were doing symbolic electrical substation attacks instead of taking out HV lines and power plants. The current attacks on energy infrastructure are what should have happened in 2022 when negotiations failed.
I do think he got suckered by “wait for Trump” thinking and is probably going to get suckered again. But at this point the restraint is mostly the fault of China.
>>2539393>But at this point the restraint is mostly the fault of China.Hm, there's been a persistent argument that a slow, weak war benefits China by keeping Westoid attention on Ukraine and draining NATO's resources, but there's also a counterargument that Putin's excessive restraint is encouraging the anti-China hawks by making them think they can use Taiwan as a proxy and directly approve strikes on the Chinese homeland and enjoy the same lack of response from Xi.
>>2539411China would just blockade Taiwan if they attacked. A serious attack via Taiwan is nonsense because it is an island. My theory has always been that the Western hawks want to balkanise Russia so as to have a land route to attack China.
>>2539393>I do think he got suckered by “wait for Trump” thinking and is probably going to get suckered again.I meant to reply to this too but must've had some brain spasm, kek. He has indeed been suckered by
Wait For Trump, though not in the worst sense of gullibly accepting a bad deal from Trump, thank goodness. He's been suckered in the sense of interfering with military decisions because of the delusional belief that he can get a favorable deal from Trump, that Trump will behave rationally. Comments from Luka and Medvedev indicate that the General Staff wants to destroy the Kiev regime but has been unable to do so because Putin rejects strike plans (per Luka) or has let Banderite hideouts go unscathed so as not to derail the negotiation process (per Medvedev).
>>2539414that sounds like a logistical nightmare
>>2539435They’d never have been able to defeat Iraq with just naval assets or even an amphibious assault. They had to establish bases in surrounding countries.
Even in the redditoid scenario where the PLA try amphibious landings on Taiwan with no preparation the best the West can achieve is sinking some ships using submarine launched missiles.
Reddit posting Ukrop runic tattoo drone operator KIAs again. Thank you Rubicon.
>>2539504Good to see the people who were posting gore from drones 3 years ago get done to them exactly what they were doing themselves
>>2539435they didnt say it was a good idea lol
Good morning fellow ziggers. How many square centimeters have we gotten today at the expense of billions rubles and thousands lives?
Goodness, they’re just so upset.
>>2539700you will have to wait until russia wins and then divide the size of ukraine by the number of days it took. as hegel says the owl of minerva flies at dusk :))
Lukoil started selling its foreign assets, trying a licensing deal so they can keep selling Luke's oil via proxies.
https://www.lukoil.com/PressCenter/Pressreleases/Pressrelease/on-international-assets-of-lukoil-groupIn the westerner media this is presented as the complete downfall of Russian oil exports and as the success of sanctions, etc.
Nikolay Kolomeitsev:
>"From our perspective, we need to move away from this duality. If we acknowledge that the entire West, the G7 countries, are fighting against us, then we need to be reasonable in our approach. And we shouldn't supply them with uranium, titanium, aluminum, and especially not oil and gas. Yes. But we end up in this strange position: we're enemies who then launch missiles at us with our aluminum and titanium, while we supply them. It turns out that each man's war is his own. And why is this happening? Because Forbes magazine has an interesting table in its penultimate issue listing 117 Russian billionaires. Of these, 47 hold dual or triple citizenship. From our perspective, this is the fundamental question: why aren't key decisions being made? We need to make decisions for the good and future of the country, or continue to serve this oligarchy, which has essentially betrayed the country many times over."
>>2539775>or continue to serve this oligarchy, which has essentially betrayed the country many times over."Incredibly based, or it would be if this was happening prior to deadlines being set by the EU for phasing out such purchases of Russian resources.
>>2539778Agreed. I wonder how many heads would've been cooled in Europe if it were under real threat of an abrupt cutoff in 2022.
>>2539781I don’t think it would have done tbh, there’s every possibility that an instant cut off of Russian resources would make it all the more clear to the imperial states why favourable trade relations with an independent Russia was still unacceptable.
>>2539775At this point I wonder why the communists dont use this situation for their propaganda against United Russia. Support for it will keep plummetin while support for them would grow exponentially.
>>2539791Cuz apparently they're happy to cede the hard line against neo-Nazi Banderites to reactionaries while focusing on more important things like destroying the Yeltsin Center.
>>2538409It's a very Western form of rabble-rousing against Putin, innit? Reason #10,467 that they have a suspicious glow.
>>2539794>Cuz apparentlyYou could just say "I don't know"
>>2539799Champy :-/ I'll happily revise my view if I've missed a hard line against the neo-Nazi Banderites, but looking for one was a depressing exercise for me.
>>2539791because its the middle of war time and they dont want to break ranks.
>>2539805They do break ranks, but it's along the lines both-sidesism on the one hand and pestering Putin in a New York radlib manner on the other.
>>2539802IIRC the KPRF had the stance for a long time that Russia should get directly involved in Ukraine in support of Donbass and Lugansk, and then Russia did. They took a more hard-line position against the Banderites up until 2022, then after the invasion, the Putin government took the same line and the government and the KPRF became aligned on Banderism.
Do you perhaps mean by "hard-line", why didn't the KPRF agitate for revolution against Putin during a time the KPRF and the Putin government were aligned in both fighting Banderism and resisting Imperial aggression? If so, then I would suggest the question answers itself.
>>2539111>Gazans You mean Palestinians? Can you ziggers try less to sound like zionists or is this impossible
>>2539810Eh, well leftypol and Reddit alike have for many years considered the KPRF a socdem party. I didn't actually know it was the KPRF behind the Yeltsin Center shit, so Western rabble-rousing I will admit is unlikely – probably more like the kind of token resistance that UR allows.
>>2539814>well leftypol and Reddit alike have for many years considered the KPRF a socdem party.That's rather the pot calling the kettle black lmao
>probably more like the kind of token resistance that UR allows.I think it's more likely that the primary concerns for the KPRF are that of most parties in states that are in the gunsights of western imperialism, it's resistance and defence against the imperialists. Thus, it's not surprising that the KPRF, United Russia and Putin as an independent are collaborationists with each other to that end. We will hear a party like United Russia paying credence to the idea that neoliberalism is a weakening, even traitorous force in Russia, because that's true regardless of whether you're the state charged ironically with protecting the bourgeoise from themselves when under threat, or you're a communist party that wishes to see industry remain exactly where it can be seized by the proletariat it represents.
Perhaps United Russia doesn't wish to drag Yeltsin's legacy through the mud themselves just yet, but neoliberalism will no doubt be considered the "western" form of oligarchal capitalism that Yeltsin "mistakingly" pursued, whereas the apparently developing "authentically Russian" style of capitalism this conflict necessitates, and adopting the "China model" of socialist market economy likewise espoused by the KPRF even prior to the invasion, will likely look very similar I'm sure.
>>2539791>>2539826I think it's mostly that the KPRF leadership knows what will happen to them if they publicly start shit against United Russia. Without a revolutionary situation at hand AND majority support they'd just be murdered and the party suppressed (as happened to the Ukrainian communists). Chairlords on here like to talk as if every communist party is in 1917 and just needs the will to power.
>>2539826>That's rather the pot calling the kettle black lmaoI know, heh, but when leftypol and Reddit leftist subs are aligned on something, it's usually a sign that an obvious trvke has dropped.
>Perhaps United Russia doesn't wish to drag Yeltsin's legacy through the mud themselves just yetIt's hard to insult Yeltsin without insulting Putin, which is why when I heard about the Yeltsin Center thing, I thought it was the doing of one of outfits that our resident anti-campists like to quote.
>>2539832>Chairlords on here like to talk as if every communist party is in 1917 and just needs the will to power.Yeah or they see any kind of destabilising situation as intrinsically "pregnant with revolution" that communist parties
must exploit if they're not sell-outs, even when that situation is incredibly biased towards the interests of anyone
except the proletariat.
They demand it in Russia now, meanwhile Syria has already been discarded as "was a lost cause anyway".
>>2539836I think Ukraine is a good example of that. 2014 was a revolutionary moment but the communists did not have majority support, or at least acquiescence, and as a result were murdered and suppressed. Same as Germany in 1919.
Servant of the People MP:
>Out of 120 soldiers only 7 are infantry
>Sometimes as many as 13 commanders for every soldier
Luckily the special posting operation can continue with those ratios.
Some pro-Russian commentators interpret Putin's behavior in recent days (army gear, historical map of Novorossiya, new missile, etc.) as a sign that he's finally moved on from Don the Con and the diplomacy sham and will now get down to business, but if we consider that it's all meant to be seen, it looks like just another PR effort to scare the US into continuing the diplomacy sham.
>>2539864Sounds like cope. Putin moving on from The Don would be strikes on arms depots in Poland.
yes Russia won, can germany and france start ww3 over it already im getting impatient
>>2539899>>2539864tbh all the diplomacy under Trump was at his own request, it's the Trump camp that is getting schizo where one day Ukraine needs to surrender because it's over so start writing up the terms and literally the next day they're on course to retake full 1991 borders by force so burn the terms. Russia's progress through the war has been more or less static, just because the Trump government is stumbling about like a newborn giraffe, that doesn't necessarily mean Putin wearing camo when addressing the military is in anyway reciprocal stumbling by Russia.
I mean what else can be said by Lavrov? Other than just sighing.
>>2539913This is why I'm glad Budapest isn't happening. Don't wanna breathe new life into the circus. No need to meet the Americans now until they force Ukraine to capitulate, and even then there'll be 1,000 snares for the unwary.
>>2539922Absolutely, it also bothers me that Russia continues on at its own predictable pace but really monotonous announcements/acts/appearances by Russian state figures all get interpreted as direct responses to the various death throes for Trump's credibility as a strong negotiator and deal maker.
There's really no reason why Trump should get such an easy ride as he meanders between the extremes on Ukraine, hopelessly trying to strong arm
anyone in NATOpia at this point with rhetoric and failing, but being let off by asserting this floundering MUST be getting a reaction out of Putin because he like, showed up for work to day, that means Trump has gotten his attention!
>>2539949What seems to be happening here is that Trump agreed upon something at Alaska without running it by his neocon advisors, probably thinking he can renege on it later after getting what he wants, not expecting the Russians to continue beating him over the head with it for specifics and concrete implementation.
At first I thought Lavrov and Peskov were talking about Trump's public agreement that a permanent peace agreement needs to be reached, not a ceasefire, but in a recent briefing, Peskov refused to disclose the "concept" presented by the US, so there must've been something else.
>>2539974>probably thinking he can renege on it later after getting what he wantsPossibly, but I think he genuinely wants to be some transformative POOTUS breaking with convention and being a libertarian DiSruPtoR like his tech bro buddies to question the efficiency and efficacy of funding countries
other than the US at all.
What he is discovering is, raising the hair of the "deep state" by arranging to shake Kim Jong-Un's hand with the implication that a "selfish" peace is cheaper than funding the South Koreans is one thing, actually trying to *implement* a selfish peace over Ukraine is quite another.
I suspect he gets a bollocking all the time from various DoD and EU figures who threaten all sorts to prevent him from taking whatever the latest action his entourage comes up with to basically cut off Ukraine, but being the arrogant so and so he is, he probably still doesn't believe that shitcanning Ukraine
really matters and you can run an empire on a budget of nil with enough efficiency and deal making.
Like JFC the whole debacle about demanding arbitrary "trade deals" that involve just handing over money to the US in exchange for *fewer* tariffs, is just the geopolitical version of that cringe lesson libertarian parents try to teach their kids that "Receiving money is nice, but ackshually have you considered that paying sucks!?".
>>2539862I saw that video in Ukr Leaks. It's interesting, the same MP said that those commander deserve jail. but I guess zelya is busier financing his missile program.
>>2539864recently
not too coincidentially, Russian Tv talked about landing strikes on Europe as a retaliation for the first time. Particularly Poland, Germany, and the Baltics, among other places.
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>>2540164>Comments will be premoderatedWhat a novel ideal, moderation.
Pokrovsk status?
I still thinks this thread and the thread on /pol/ about the war is astrosurfed by russia shills, I genuinly cannot understand how a leftist board and a right board both support the same country, I think someone is getting manipulated both here and at /pol/, I think for real this thread is astrosurfed as fuck.
>>2540191Leftists support Russia because they think Western imperialism can be weakened by this war.
Rightists support Russia because they think their nations are ruled by globalists/Jews so they want their own govts to fall so that the real nationalists get into power.
>>2540210I don't see how this war weakens the imperialism, because what made it happens is to strengthen NATO in Europe and give a excuse to many european nation to re arm themselves, honestly this wars is a disaster for Russia in general term, made their enemies unite more, got more dependent on China and bleeding many resource to get few KM of land in Ukraine.
>>2540191It's almost as if nobody on leftypol has a genuine leftist bone in their whole fucking body and they're just a bunch of /pol/tards having an identity crisis.
Teste
>>2540219Then how you would go to define a "true" leftist then?
>>2540217.>>2540219
the point of the war was to make Russia balkanize which would put NATO on the path of taking out China afterwards. the same people who fail to see NATO as an important part of why you would be anti-Ukraine tend to also refuse to acknowledge that the 2014 coup in Ukraine had anything to do with NATO or this war happening later, or that NATO is a worse evil for humanity now and historically than Russia with all its worts. If you had a leftist bone in YOUR body you would oppose imperialism, and if you opposed imperialism you would stop turning a selective blind eye to historical context.
>>2540191It's still a minority. Most of /pol/ is still all about hating jews, women and minorities. Threads about Russia are mostly hatred and chud sneering at ze inferior slavs. People at /chug/ are basically outsiders, they regularly say that "outerpol" is shit and you shouldn't visit it.
>>2540191Jewish nigger, do you know what happened to Ukrainian communists? Compare that to what happened to Ukrainian fascists. What retards on the internet say isn't nearly as important. Let's just say any communist in the world has reasons to despise the post-2014 ultrareactionary dictatorship there. That's not even mentioning the whole trajectory of its existence since 1991, one can't possibly call it a trajectory of development. You would despise Ukraine much like most of its citizens if you had empathy and weren't a sheltered manchild out for brownie points.
>>2540233Ah yes, the ukrainian people got angry to be under the boot of soviet russia and then outlaw communism out of revenge, and let other political position appear to contrast against the old soviet communist, they did like many other east european countries and outlaw communism in a extreme response to the old soviet mandented commnism, you're histerial thinking that ukraine is literal nazi germany, get a grip shill
>>2540191Of course it is. The shills are obvious…otherwise there are not many posts ITT.
>>2540234lol?
The communist party of Ukraine was the largest parliamentary party in 1994 and 1998 elections. The states that wanted to
>outlaw communism in a extreme response to the old soviet mandented commnismdidn't need to wait 20 years, Yeltsin did it in 1993. And yet we all know that in even that circumstance it was just bourgeois attacking communists. Your narrative makes no sense at all.
I actually got this from wikipedia
>According to Ukrainian publicist and political analyst Mykola Riabchuk, the result of the election was a clear sign that the majority of the population preferred to see the newly proclaimed independent state as a continuation of the old Soviet Ukraine, and tended to demonize the democratic opposition as "nationalists". The failure to make a clear break with the Soviet legacy resulted in Ukraine emerging as a "hybrid state", where old Soviet identities and institutions coexisted with modern national ones. >>2540210>Leftists support Russia because they think Western imperialism can be weakened by this war.except russian leftists don't?
>>2540217>strengthen NATO in Europe and give a excuse to many european nation to re arm themselvesexcept it is weakening nato and they are incapable of rearmament
>>2539786But muh abusive relashunship analogy
>>2540210I just wanna see the war burn but unfortunately too many cucks around to make this a reality…
>>2540456That's a good thing, not a bad thing. Whatever way this war ends, the best thing is for the violence to subside.
>>2540168Heh, I thought you were talking about some new premoderation message being sent here on leftypol. I was about to blow a fuse.
>>2540191>I still thinks this thread and the thread on /pol/ about the war is astrosurfed by russia shills, I genuinly cannot understand how a leftist board and a right board both support the same country, I think someone is getting manipulated both here and at /pol/, I think for real this thread is astrosurfed as fuck.What an inane argument. If we supported Ukraine here, we could be accused of siding with white nationalists and Nazi sympathizers like Richard Spencer, which would be another inane argument, but the point is demonstrated.
>>2540132>Russian Tv talked about landing strikes on Europe as a retaliation for the first time. Particularly Poland, Germany, and the Baltics, among other places.Isn't that just Soloviev, who's been saying such things for years, or is Doclolcowtorow right that Russian TV is being spammed with hawkish calls for Putin to reestablish deterrence?
>>2540500>Doclolcowtorow who tf is this meant to mean
>>2540500 (me)
Btw, if Putin has actually entered a "reestablish deterrence" phase, showing off a new missile isn't going to do it. Why? Because the US already knows that Russia has cool missiles (STRATCOM guy even testified to Congress that Russia is ahead in strategic development).
If Russia has lost deterrence (which can be debated because NATO isn't exactly doing mass strikes on Moscow), it's because of the perception that a country unwilling to respond proportionately to conventional attacks is unlikely going to use some first-strike nuclear attack.
>>2540509Gilbert Doctorow has been sitting around in St. Petersburg calling Putin a coward whose restraint is inviting the very WWIII he's trying to avoid. He says that Putin is becoming increasingly isolated, noting a wave of criticism on Russian TV and incidents like Deputy FM Ryabkov saying diplomacy with the US has been exhausted (only for Putin and Peskov to contradict him and insist that diplomacy with Donny is still open).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-0AI0iDvJo Unique IPs: 152