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>>2549290Shoot a right wing tailist in the head and fuck the bullet wound
>>2550164Cool. Make sure to leave some visible contact info so people can join you in different projects
Everybody is being communist "ironically" now. This is good.
>>2550146Not going to lie the New York Post really knows how to do the Socialist realism thing. Also the Backwards R like it Cyrillic is funny too.
What power will Mamdani really have as the city council is run by democrats, I guess etablishment dems ?
>>2550219idk if Mamdani and the dsa really think "we won so the rules say we get to do these policies" is the extent of the plan they need then his term will be an excruciating humiliation imo. They gotta be ruthless motherfuckers and even then who knows how much of their platform they can do
CATALOG STILL BROKEN NGMI
>>2550349Provisional IRA armalite and ballot box strategy
>>2550243i would say thats a fire reply if the guy didnt have 10hrs to think about it
https://transition2025.com/New website set up by the Zohran campaign showing his transition team, and it's all MILFs of various races. Thoughts?
>>2550365>New website set up by the Zohran campaign showing his transition team, and it's all MILFs of various races4ch bullshit, about that, care about what their positions, what their power are to see if they can apply the program
>>2550365Low quality milfs
>>2550367I'm not really familiar with any of them except Lina Khan because Bezos and Zuck fucking hate her, which bodes well
The Billionaires Who Failed to Stop Zohran Mamdani, and How Much They Spent
https://time.com/7331119/zohran-mamdani-billionaires-ackman-bloomberg/Kill Kautskyists. Behead Kautskyists. Roundhouse kick a Kautskyist into concrete. Slam dunk a Kautskyist into the trashcan. Crucify filthy Kautskyists. Defecate in a Kautskyist’s food. Launch Kautskyists into the sun. Stir fry Kautskyists in a wok. Toss Kautskyists into active volcanoes…
Thank you comrade Sliwa, down with the KKKuomo KKKlique
>>2550382Shut up faggot what the fuck do you gooners do all day besides WHINE WHINE WHINE
>>2550357>10hrs to think about itNot everyone is a Twitter addict who sees everything the minute it's posted uygha
>>2550428
schneed
>>2550418Slappin fannies!
>>2550429>goonersWords have meanings retard.
>besides WHINE WHINE WHINEI'm in a union and strike committee for starters. :)
>>2550484thank you for your service
>>2550428
>Sure the last fifty three times we voted for a “democratic socialist”
There's like five that barely do anything and the rest get brutally assfucked and backstabbed ny the dnc(based anti revisionist dnc)
>>2550484>I'm in a union and strike committee for startersThere are plenty of people here who think that shit is worthless and not communist and gay too
>>2550368>Low quality milfsrare, there's no such things
>>2550508None of them are Nicole Watterson though, so can they truly be considered HIGH quality?
The sun over New York is red
>>2550365that website is actually about their plant to forcibly transition all ny residents smh
>>2550164why is there a human skull next to the food
>>2550365>>2550372each one of them has a text blurb
Grace Bonilla
Nonprofit leader and lifelong New Yorker Grace Bonilla currently serves as president and CEO of United Way of New York City, a leading citywide nonprofit helping low-income New Yorkers by coordinating service providers, companies and local government services. Bonilla previously served as Administrator of the New York City Human Resources Administration and as the first Executive Director of New York City’s Taskforce on Racial Equity and Inclusion.
Lina Khan
Former Federal Trade Commission Chair Lina Khan is the nation’s leading antimonopoly champion. As the 57th FTC chair under President Biden, Khan spearheaded the administration’s efforts to reinvigorate antitrust and consumer protection enforcement. Before heading the FTC, Khan was an Associate Professor of Law at Columbia Law School, and served as counsel to the U.S. House Judiciary Committee’s Subcommittee on Antitrust, Commercial and Administrative law, and as legal advisor to FTC Commissioner Rohit Chopra.
Maria Torres-Springer
Housing and economic development leader Maria Torres-Springer has held numerous leadership roles in city government, most recently serving as First Deputy Mayor in City Hall. Torres-Springer was previously Deputy Mayor for Housing, Economic Development and Workforce, Commissioner of the New York City Department of Housing Preservation and Development, and president and CEO of the NYC Economic Development Corporation. She has also served as vice president for U.S. programs at the Ford Foundation and is the incoming President and CEO of the Revson Foundation.
Melanie Hartzog
Melanie Hartzog is the President and CEO of the New York Foundling, one of the city’s largest and oldest non-profit organizations that helps children, youth, adults, and families in need through services, support, and advocacy. Hartzog previously served across two mayoral administrations as New York City’s Deputy Mayor for Health and Human Services, as the Director of the Mayor’s Office of Management and Budget, and as Family Services Coordinator for the Deputy Mayor for Health and Human Services and Deputy Commissioner of the Administration for Children’s Services. She also led a social services unit in the Mayor’s Office of Management and Budget, and was a Director for the Human Services Council of New York City, Inc.
Elana Leopold
Transition Executive Director Elana Leopold has served on Mamdani’s campaign as a senior advisor, acting as a liaison to civic, business and cultural leaders across the city. Leopold, a native New Yorker, held several senior roles during the de Blasio administration including senior advisor to IGA and senior aide to the Mayor, as well as serving on the 2013 transition following his successful 2013 campaign.
>>2550564>>2550569Inshallah, under their guidance cis males shall be outlawed in NYC
>>2550365so many POC
(Porkies of Capital) new york has fallen…
>>2550567Don't worry about it
>>2550219>>2550226Mamdani acknowledged in the acceptance speech they still have to struggle after he becomes mayor.
>>2550569>Lina Khan is the nation’s leading antimonopoly champion. As the 57th FTC chair under President Biden, Khan spearheaded the administration’s efforts to reinvigorate antitrust and consumer protection >Grace Bonilla currently serves as president and CEO of United Way of New York CityCommunism:
Nationalize Monopolies under dictatorship of the proletariat, centrally plan economy, eventually abolish class, wage labor, watch as the state withers away
Liberalism called "Socialism" for some reason:
Break up monopolies and protect small business owners from big biz and big gov, decentralize economy and let the market handle everything, divide economy by "consumers and producers" instead of "bourgeoisie and proletariat", let the state regulate the market and protect consumers
>>2550580Because the mayor of NYC is in a position to nationalize Amazon of course
Bros how do I run for Mayor in my city. Can anyone do it? My strat will be to run as a succdem liberal and turn on communism once elected
>>2550582your sarcastic point is noted.
>>2550585>My strat will be to run as a succdem liberal and turn on communism once electedis communism a state of affairs to be established? no real movement? no ruthless criticism? just get elected and flip a switch?
>>2550587>is communism a state of affairs to be established? no real movement? no ruthless criticism? just get elected and flip a switch?Yes
>>2550595hasan is such a whore but no one else on the left is getting any pussy its not fucking fair
>>2550520 Mamdani did 9/11
>>2550596That's why our movement needs dual power lol. Internal and external. Political pressure and street pressure. Who else here besides trolls is suggesting any different?
>>2550598I already voted for him, you don't need to convince me more
>>2550597no one (else) on the left is getting cock either if you're talking about long-term monogamous relationships and not ONS/poly
>>2550597No one is getting pussy, left or right
I have to say, i don't trust a man who can't get pussy, whether through marriage or dating, so I trust hasan
>>2550599Different anon but a couple threads ago I was talking about actually getting Americans in this thread together on some video call so we can iron out strategy, stop LARPing and start doing for real. With the upcoming reactionary backlash against Mamdani organizing some street pressure is more important than ever.
honkoid status?
>>2550603how would you filter those who glow out of the call
>>2550608Dual power means doing everything we can at every level with all the resources we can to smash capitalism into pieces and implement socialism. Not bitching on an imageboard about how not immediately installing soviets (council republics don't appear out of thin air, dumbass) means you're a "social fascist" (literally such a made up term that the guy who invented it redacted it). Now fuck off.
>>2550603Tue. We need to convert energy into real pressure that can transform the material conditions while deliberately creating class consciousness. It's the only way we're going to get a socialist revolution.
>>2550526Sorry honey but this is what fighting against social fascism looks like we need to kill tbe bourgeois food stamp recipients
>>2550613This is a MILF lover site for sure
MILF obtainers, tho…
>>2550587>Revolution>Not revolvingDoes it bug anyone else that reform and revolutions have the opposite meanings outside politics?
>>2550607Pretty sure we dont have any actual glowies that bother with this site, but if anyone starts acting like a wrecker or just otherwise in bad faith we can expel them from the groupchat easy.
>>2550612If people are actually up for it I'm open to setting something up for Saturday afternoon
>>2550601I know plenty of leftist women in committed relationships (with liberals).
I can't really complain though,
>>2550602>I have to say, i don't trust a man who can't get pussyThats pretty weird. Thankfully when Comrade Mamdani announces Redistribution of Sex we will all get pussy, preferably from Our Wife First Lady Rama Duwaji.
>>2550572>Surely you mean the class consciousness of the workersNo, I am talking about Marx:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/german-ideology/ch01b.htm
>The ideas of the ruling class are in every epoch the ruling ideas, i.e. the class which is the ruling material force of society, is at the same time its ruling intellectual force.my god, go outside. talk to people, look at people.
for instance, when people see a rich person they treat it with respect. no matter if the underlying reason of his wealth was a product of thievery, stealing labor, stealing surplus value, corruption, pyramidal schemes, preaching in the name of Jesus without quoting the bible.
and see how the same people treat a person dirty with cement, raggy and faded clothes, disheveled.
that's because the ruling class is capitalist.
Whether zohran can exert some influence or not, that's the question. if he becomes another aoc, another bernard, then the people will be disfranchised in their quest for a relief, and vote for a cretin, just like trump success happened.
that you don't understand the basics of US politics, is appalling. And through Marxism is the only way you can effectively understand it.
from last thread, now that we are so back >>2550616got me there
>>2550619>leftist women in committed relationships (with liberals).Stalinist femdom aktion,
NOW>>2550623500 year old vampire loli fan?
>>2550599History tells us state instability or revolution precedes dual power. not gonna happen in this country until it gets into a global conflict
Who voted for Abughraib Spamburger?
>As expected, the rich begin to flee NYC in the wake of Zohran Mamdani’s victory. Quote from one millionaire: “They traded me to Indianapolis bro, praise the lord”
>>2550631It's Virginia bro. Being a glowie is like a prerequisite to get elected there.
Social democracy is the moderate wing of fascism which all branch from wide and ever reaching tree of liberalism, which grew from the capitalist mode of production.
I voted for Mamdani but still had a dream where he was the Muslim Zelenskyy
>>2550634We need Stalin back right now
>>2550628Waiting for unforeseeable conditions in untenable and unsustainable. We can't wait for capitalism to burn itself out (it may never, given its propensity for coopting dissent, absorbing critique, and restabilizing itself by finding new avenues to colonize). We have to do everything we can to establish the conditions for its overthrow. Even if capitalism destabilized tomorrow, without a clearly communist movement ready to take advantage of it, things can easily get even worse.
Omar Fateh lost. An interesting thing is that he coded as progressive/socialist/etc. while leaning into Somali idpol while previously being an anti-woke type who lost an earlier election.
>In 2015, when he was 25, Fateh was working as a campaign finance analyst for the Federal Election Commission when he made his first run for public office, seeking an at-large seat on the Fairfax County School Board in Virginia.
>One of the major issues in the race was a controversial decision by the school board that spring to adopt a policy to prohibit discrimination based on gender identity, and to add lessons about sexual orientation and gender identity to its curriculum. The Democratic school board candidates supported the policy change, which came the same year the U.S. Supreme Court legalized same-sex marriage. Fateh and three Republican candidates opposed it, according to two Virginia news outlets, including one called MuslimLink.
>Fateh now says those news accounts of his stance on the issue were wrong, and he maintains he supported the board’s decision. But an incumbent who defeated Fateh remembers it differently. Ryan McElveen, one of two Democrats elected to the board that November, said Fateh spoke out against the district’s policy during the campaign “in veiled language.”
>“He was certainly not openly embracing what the Democrats had done,” McElveen said. “I think he was trying to build on the anti-LGBT rhetoric that was out there … understanding the winds blowing against the Democrats.”https://www.startribune.com/sen-omar-fateh-minneapolis-mayor-2025-profile/601480088>>2550638To be honest I don't feel very threatened by career glowies. They have no loyalty except to power itself. Look how easily Trump purged all non-MAGAs from the CIA/FBI. They love sending death squads to foreign countries but have no defense against getting fired lmao.
>>2550643I hate glowies so much, so much, I cannot even tell you. Please god nuke Arlington
>>2550642Gorkyposters lost
>>2550640Is war between capitalist imperialist states not inevitable? Harmony between the international bourgeoise forever?
>it may neverLong term capitalism is fucked because nobody is having kids, but you're right, it'll stay capitalist only until one of the inevitable production crises is taken advantage of
>>2550646
Dual power is only possible under very unusual, specific conditions in which leftists get off their asses and do shit in real life
>>2550648I love how proles all over the world named their kids Lenin, Stalin, Hismat/Istmat, etc.
>>2550640things getting worse is a good thing. this country needs a wake up call
>>2550672Honestly who gives a shit about Hasan? He seems the type to only be in leftists circles from the clout. He'll turn into a neocon grifter once he gets bored of the streaming sphere or gets old enough.
>>2550675Nah he's a leftist, just full on entriest pilled
>>2550631and yet, rethuglicans are mad about it.
>>2550634yougkin wasn't exactly a glowie, but was a carlyle group chud, so basically the same.
>>2550665>TweetThese are the same vermin defending rabbi's activities of baby foreskin chopping and blowjobs
>>2550628>not gonna happen in this country until it gets into a global conflictarent you already on multiple ones
>>2550682>Texas>Floridawhy am I not surprised, kek.
>>2550683nothing official, might change with venezuela doe
>>2550682Every day I wonder how poor people in Texas and Florida even stay alive under far-right rule for this long. Surely there's a point where they have to revolt, right?
>>2550672he isnt saying never create a 3rd party, just that with the way the system is currently set up they won't win so should use dem tools to advantage
>>2550684
Extremely rare truthnuke from USApol
>>2550618>Pretty sure we dont have any actual glowies that bother with this siteStop taking your meds.
>>2550689A lot of undocumented people, people with a lot of children and just general rightoids who are high on ideology
>>2550688it didn't change when the US invaded Panama or Granada.
>>2550672><“There is virtually no evidence that a third party has the ability or strength to do anything!”There are laws literally to prevent third parties from even being on the ballot ever since one got a whopping 11% in the 90s
He's right, third parties are a grift, even if you think the duopoly is also a grift
>>2550696Venezuela is not a tiny microstate and it's not 30+ years ago
>>2550689There are many innocents who suffer but with the insane cost of living - housing food, transportation, etc. - it may not be viable for them to move, so they're just trapped. Trapped by the clerical fascist regimes they labor under. Trapped by a system that hates them and wants them enslaved or dead.
>>2550690Retards here will actively misinterpret shit like they're paid to do so
>>2550675Sounds like projection thoughbeit
Is Zohran the leader of the real movement now?
>>2550612>>2550599ignore all the LARPer ultra faggots who will never do anything besides post histrionic bullshit on a dead imageboard about how we can totally just immediately do a revolution without putting in any long-term work.
I think the next move for leftists in the US broadly should be to keep pushing this momentum forward. regardless of what anyone thinks of Mamdani himself, the fact that he won while openly calling himself a socialist in every speech is a big deal and we should be seizing the opportunity this presents with the Trump administration spectacularly fucking up everything and the Democrats doing literally nothing about it. we should be organizing more similar local politics stuff, build up cadres in DSA chapters and similar socialist orgs, start getting more people elected in city or maybe even state level govt, and start getting our shit together in the streets so that these socialist parties can be used as an organizational apparatus to put pressure on the bourgeois state. we need to start having actual demands and be ruthless about them, do the stuff the right has been doing for decades at this point and get people elected while fucking over the system as much as possible if we don't get what we want.
hell I've been a post-left communizer type since I was radicalized a decade+ ago and I'm considering getting connected with my DSA chapter to try to see if we can get some shit done. it's time to start building shit for the long term, keep accelerating the class war and ratcheting up the tensions between the masses of working class Americans who are finally feeling the material conditions affect them and the openly fascistic psychotic lunatics in power who are responding with more blatant repression. we've got enough of a confluence of factors in the US right now that the American left has a shot at coming back from the dead.
>>2550706
That's not what he said and you know it you fucking retard.
>>2550705Revolution is no longer possible. We need a completely new strategy.
>>2550712>Revolution is no longer possible.Proof?
What's stopping you from taking over a small city with a few of your friends?
>>2550712>Revolution is no longer possible.says man in the most armed country in human history
You’re not going to turn the oldest capitalist country in the world into a socialist or even a social democratic one
>>2550716The most armed country in human history
>>2550712>>2550718so let's toil for capitalism until we die or better yet lay down and commit mass suicide, great idea
>>2550697>There are laws literally to prevent third parties from even being on the ballot Tell me what laws specifically or you're bullshitting
>>2550689If you become to poor in Texas or Florida you either
1. Get a free bus ticket to a blue state, usually California.
2. Get disappeared into the “justice” system as a slave or just straight murdered.
>>2550720But what if those armed citizens were on your side?
The average town has like 10 cops for every 1000 residents. The fuck are they gonna do?
>>2550727Yeah you're bullshitting, there's no laws preventing third parties from being on the ballet lol. A two party system is incentivized, but that's not what you said
>>2550725
>Any communications you have are already bugged
Yes
>anyone willing to go along with you has already been blackmailed into being an FBI informant
You're giving the glowies too much credit. They aren't that competent.
>any electronic device you have includes a bomb that the government can set off at any time like the IDF with the Hezbollah pagers.
still never seen any proof this is true and not just a conspiracy theory.
>Even if you were to “win”, the bourgeois here would gladly nuke your liberated zone.
And when the nuclear fallout starts spreading to nearby towns, when tiktoks of the carnage are livestreamed all over the world, what happens then?
>>2550672this is obviously in response to badempanada lol.
i hope he keeps buggin em. anyways, fukuyama was right. history ended. it'll be this shit, seesawing between moderate social democracy and outright fascism, until we go extinct
>>2550672Isn't the long term strategy of the DSA is to grow within the democratic party until they can take either take it over or demand electoral changes that allow for third parties? You can disagree with that strategy but obviously none of these three are endorse third parties at this point.
>>2550722Not saying that. Revolution was a strategy the bourgeoisie used to topple the European aristocracies. The biggest mistake is thinking that lightening strikes twice. The material conditions are different. The world we live in calls for a different strategy to overthrow the system that isn't just repeating an old worn method used against feudal monarchies. The biggest irony is that the right are more innovative and radical when it comes to strategy and tactics whereas leftists are extremely conservative in that area.
>>2550737
there is ranked choice voting in some states.
>>2550729NTA but I mean, functionally, the effect is the same. It's virtually impossible to meet the requirements of the laws which were established during the first red scare explicitly to stop socialists.
>>2550741>The biggest irony is that the right are more innovative and radical when it comes to strategy and tactics whereas leftists are extremely conservative in that area.the right have been so successful because they have specifically embraced leninist tactics, i.e. a mixture of legal and illegal methods, militias, etc. all in defense of the status quo
>Revolution was a strategy the bourgeoisie used to topple the European aristocracies. The biggest mistake is thinking that lightening strikes twice. The material conditions are different. The world we live in calls for a different strategy to overthrow the system that isn't just repeating an old worn method used against feudal monarchies.ok Eduard "Feel The" Bernstein
Force must be used if you are to have your own way.
>>2550741>Let's use the system's tools against it<Fuckin liberal simp you'll never accomplish anything the best you can do is get nuked>Okay, let's build up power to wage a revolution<Revolution is impossible>Okay, Let's use a dual power strategy to confront the system on multiple fronts and demand an alternative<NO YOU CAN'T THAT'S LE "SOCIAL FASCISM"So…?
>>2550698Neither was Iraq yet none of the western so called “communists” lifted a finger to stop it
>>2550722I am saying that
>>2550751Iraq was not a global conflict
>>2550750yeah and u need all of those states to win so not being able to contest some cuz of the duopoly means u lose lmao stop trolling
>have ranked choice voting for local electionscuz local politicians can definitely defeat global capitalism right lmao
>>2550754
>they aren’t going to care about atrocity propaganda and how bad it looks for them
It literally took down colonial India and South Africa, and most recently Kamala Harris's campaign lmao.
>>2550747I feel like this board has become one of the last refuges for a certain kind of extremely online and profoundly irrelevant american left that is mostly a coalition of ultras and tankies with borderline incoherent understanding of their own ideologies and certainly of Marxism in general. the level of hysterical self-contradicting doomerism I see on this board every day from people that I'd wager have never done any IRL organizing is pretty absurd but also has been the status quo for western communists for like the past 25 years at least.
>>2550756The genocidal “war on terror” was absolutely a global conflict that involved direct participation from all major imperialist powers
>>2550747you are pretending that the objections of multiple people are coming from the same person
>Let's use the system's tools against it>let's build up power to wage a revolution>Let's use a dual power strategy to confront the system on multiple fronts and demand an alternativethese are mutually beneficial strategies that should be used at the same time obviously. mix legal and illegal tactics
>>2550757Bruh you really thought it was against the law to run third party lol
>>2550741>>2550746The right has many of the most powerful and richest people in the world backing it at full force influencing almost every level of soyciety
>>2550690>>2550701No one is misinterpreting anything except this guy
>>2550706If your only solution is to support the democrats, you don’t have a solution. You have simply become a part of the problem.
>>2550745
if it can happen in 2 it can happen in the other 48
>>2550762Not a global conflict unless it's between imperialist powers
>>2550767
Why didn't they kill Zohran then? Instead they spent $100,000,000 trying to campaign against him and lost.
>>2550690the problem is the doomerism and doingnothism presented in that coded language. the democrat party will never move to the left as much they pretend it can.
>>2550697there's no federal law that 'literally prevent' third parties from being on the ballot. state laws hardened, but that's another question.
all in all, the message is clear: do nothing, stay in the DNC, socialism can win through the democrat party.
>>2550738I have never seen those goals in the DSA general rules.
>>2550760It's all due to the failure of commies, the failure of the soviets and the failure of Mao's China ( not to be confused with today's China). Now leftists in the west get scared of their own shadows and shriek at the thought of ever exerting any actual power because God forbid some people get hurt.
>>2550761
And none of those pathetic displays of radlibs dancing in the streets saved a single life, much less the 5 million killed by American forces alone. If they were actually interested in stopping the Zionist Holocaust in the Middle East they would have dispensed with the performative bullshit and organized the proletariat to capture state power by force of arms. Nothing even close to that happened because not one of you was actually interested in stopping the Zionist Holocaust
>>2550766there are laws preventing them. u won't get arrested but they will stop you from being viable. not a contradiction.
>>2550780>there are laws preventing them.Yet you refuse to show us, curious
>>2550729>lol it's not illegal dipshit just extremely difficult and convoluted to the point it's pissing in the airRepublican rhetoric tbh
>>2550746>the right have been so successful because they have specifically embraced leninist tactics,No, they haven't done that at all. Where is the alt right vanguard party? What illegal methods are they using? This is just Leninists huffing their own farts. The right isn't centralized, is more distributed, vector-like, constantly adapting and good at politicizing specific spaces in their favor. They play the cultural idpol game well. They know that all that matters is constant spectacle and using it to mobilize people. Its very different. It helps that they have a massive war chest but can't do much about that because lefties are broke.
>Force must be used if you are to have your own way.Duh, but what kind of force? Revolution was one kind of force strategy, like a phalanx or siege machinery. Its not a strategy that works now for the same reason a phalanx doesn't work now. I wouldn't turn up to a modern battlefield with a sword and shield, but leftists still do basically the same thing with revolution, dual power, and parliamentary bullshit.
>>2550760Marxism is irrelevant and largely outdated. The majority of American leftists (tankies included) are basically reactionary conservatives who cling on to old ideas, tactics, and strategies because of their symbolic worth.
>>2550758
big if true
>>2550739This is real maga communism
>>2550782i did. they are practically prevented from getting power (aka no 3rd party has ever won ever) they don't need to make it directly illegal cuz it's basically impossible cuz of their laws
>>2550783>>2550767The only solution is for you to sulk in a damp corner somewhere else where you can’t disrupt the conversation anymore.
>>2550790That goes for you too.
>>2550778absolutely, I just am amazed that these mfs don't have more self-awareness. like damn I've been going through cycles of despair and anxiety all year seeing the far-right in the US finally have its moment to do whatever they want and I'm not about to just fucking roll over and let a bunch of failson pedophiles put me in a slave labor private prison. "nothing to lose but your chains" hasn't been more relevant to material conditions in the US in like 70 fucking years.
>>2550794Most sophisticated leftypol analysis
>>2550787>1000 signatures are hardand you expect to build a mass movement lol
>>2550801reagan talked about that kind of "
communists", btw.
Marxism Leninism as applied to the early Soviet Union is not going to work in America and wont bring us a communist revolution. The material conditions are fundamentally different both in America and across the world
>>2550789
>Lol no
why is it impossible in your opinion for the other 48 states to do what 2 states have already done?
>>2550773Someone would have replaced him, and with a success boost
>>2550803Reagan in the latter quote is talking about decentralized employee owned cooperatives in a hemispheric free market, where each employee owns shares of stocks in the companies they work for.
>>2550787>lol it's not illegal dipshit just extremely difficult and convoluted to the point it's pissing in the airI'd said the doomerism, i.e. if it is possible or not a left-wing party,
is the republican rhetoric.
>>2550750What does the light gray mean?
i can't wait until i can say i told you so about zohran
>>2550807so communism in the workplace.
>>2550798I am curious as to what exactly you are to do.
>>2550803This is Reagan simply being a dumbass who thought Cooperatives were a new concept. He wanted to quarter step it instead of admitting his ideology was dogshit.
>>2550804Totally possible. Every fast food establishment will have an American soviet equivalent and will send delegates to be represented in local elections
>>2550790>Marxism is irrelevant and largely outdatedAt least you admit to being a reactionary
>>2550804There are many strains of Marxism. I'm not a Leninist to begin with, but it doesn't matter if we use his strategy as a basis or a more council communist model or whatever. We should be using every possible strategy, taking the wheat and discarding the chaff. Even Lenin said something to this effect IIRC.
This sectarian arguing is exactly what has plagued the left for decades and I wouldn't be surprised if it's being pushed by the feds right now to keep us divided and demoralized. We must overcome.
>>2550808
I’m not a reformist. But you certainly a doomer.
>>2550815And then the communists rise in full
>>2550777Idk about the general rules but I got that impression from stuff like this
https://dsa-lsc.org/2025/01/31/a-guide-to-dsa-politics
>The dirty break strategy is the dominant position in DSA on the party question, which adopts a strategic use of the Democratic Party ballot line only in the short term due to the prevailing political conditions which typically preclude third party candidates from winning elections. However, the ultimate goal is still to build the independent infrastructure and resources for an effective independent socialist party. >>2550705>all of the momentum>voting DNC in a blue city with a large youth voteWow lots of momentum there. Never learn man. You can keep throwing terms around like "post-left communizer" when you have never read a book.
>>2550753 (me)
<no response, only further fearmongeringactual glowie tactics. reality checking is the best cure against paranoia (which is an overreaching, but a wholly understandable response to material conditions of surveillance states)
>>2550827>However, the ultimate goal is still to build the independent infrastructure and resources for an effective independent socialist party.Oh fuck yes. Thanks for posting
>>2550825
So both extraordinarily naive and a doomer, got it.
>>2550827>However, the ultimate goal is still to build the independent infrastructure and resources for an effective independent socialist party.That's well and fine but that ultimate goal doesn't seem to be any closer today than it was ten years ago. Just a thought.
>>2550839Even after todays win? DSA connected members of Zohrans team will get crucial administrative experience running americas largest city
>>2550824Like all the last times you bragged about the same thing supposedly happening?
>>2550844
god i hope they're retarded enough to pull that off
>>2550841>DSA connected members of Zohrans team will get crucial administrative experience running americas largest cityThat's a good point. It's easy to fantasize about running a government in the made-up revolutionary fantasy in your head, even if that happened a lot of anons wouldn't know how to run it because they can't even knock on doors for a city council candidate.
>>2550844
You mean the people's vanguard, social fascist?
>>2550814>proletariat is when factory worker.>relationships to the means of production? What’s that?>>2550818Reasonable
>>2550834Their proposal was for you stop being a sectarian
>>2550845ICE killing people is bad
>>2550818You know the "council communists" had their positions for a reason, and not just because they thought it was the "coolest" way to do things, right? Gorter wrote a response to Lenin's Infantile Disorder that went over it.
What you are doing is arguing for everyone to be a democrat, because the ideology will be reduced down to the most common, toothless form that is acceptable to the liberals, as to avoid being "sectarian" with the """radical""" individualists. This has happened many times already and you never learn because you don't read.
The point right now is to get the working class and students (working class in training) out of the fucking DNC and into real organizations that actually have socialist goals. You can support the DNC as much as you dream too, outside of it. Nobody (serious) is denying Zohran was the best result in that election. But no, the current goal among these fucking idiots is thinking this is going to turn the DNC into socialists, like a LaRouchite.
>it's da fedsRetard or underaged. Probably both.
>>2550839Yeah, like I said you can complain about the effectiveness or legitimacy of the strategy, but I was mostly pointing out that it's not surprising that these "influencers" who are closely aligned to the DSA are not supportive of US third parties right now.
>>2550818>if you don't agree with me on every autistic detail you must be a reactionary Yeah whatever man. Marxism belongs in the 19th century. I thank Marx for his analysis but calling yourself a Marxist is silly. Like is there such a thing as Einsteinism, Jordanism-LeBronism? Where are all the Weberists or Malinowksites? Marx was just one legendary social scientist. I have no reason to glue myself to his legacy as if he's the only guy that had anything interesting to say on these issues. People who call themselves Marxists are stupid.
>We should be using every possible strategyNo. You use strategies that work. You don't use strategies because of the nostalgia value or brand name which is what people are doing. All these people running their mouths about revolution are just wanting to larp as French or Russian revolutionaries and aren't interested in the world that's actually in front of them. Same can be said for the parliamentary reform crowd. They don't care about what works or making a change, they just want to live out a fantasy.
>>2550857cool. no true scotsman.
>>2550857Hahaha holy shit
>>2550853
Nearly everyone with a full time job has a 401k dude, even minimum wage workers
>>2550857>daily reminder that all doomers shitting on zohran are being paid by AIPACStunningly true
>>2550857Zohran's critics are mostly deluded haters but he is a liberal zionist doing genocide revisionism in real time by understating the death toll by a factor of at least 10.
>>2550866might even say it's trvke
>>2550843What do you mean by this?
>>2550853Not everyone in America has a 401k idiot. And you don’t get to revise the theory just because your feelings got a wittle hurt, moron. So no, having 401k does not mean they aren’t proletarian.
>>2550851ICE mowing down protestors is good. Nothing would discredit democracy faster
>>2550859>but calling yourself a Marxist is sillyAnd I don't. It's called "scientific socialism" for a reason. What I'm disagreeing with is your statement:
>Marxism belongs in the 19th centuryNo it doesn't, because at its core capitalism remains the same. Marx's goal was to analyze capitalism and find out what makes it tick. This has not changed and to claim otherwise makes no sense.
>You use strategies that workThat's why I said every "possible" strategy. Not just "every strategy". I'm careful with my words.
>>2550854>"He says that we shouldn't be fighting over a disagreement in long-term strategy when we still haven't got off the ground yet because sectarianism will disintegrate the movement before it even starts? He must be simping for the DNC!"💀
>>2550853
2edgy
Reuters is reporting that Zohran has opened a portal to Shambhala in the center of times square, can any new yorkers here confirm?
>>2550867>>2550857Do succdems really think they’re so slick that they can use dnc operations as a cover for the moderate wing of fascism (liberalism), and discredit anyone who opposes their brand of liberalism (fascism)?
>>2550841That's a good thing yeah I suppose. Not sure I feel any more confident about the independent socialist party thing though, but I'll take it.
>>2550873
You sound like someone who know the idea of theory.
>>2550827>>2550827huh, imagine having the same failing goal for the same 60 years.
>>2550871What makes this sentiment different from 4chud posting
Protestors and minorities die and then you either get shot for being too left, or get to live as a slave in the Thiel utopia
What is the point in any of your worldviews besides nihilism
>>2550853
the economic situation of americans will get worse and worse over time, petit porkies will become proletarians
>>2550875Fake News, it's actually hyperborea
t. New Yorker
>>2550882>then you either get shot for being too leftSkill issue
>>2550841>Zohrans teamaka democrats?
>>2550887You're the lone survivor with your sick Matrix bullet dodging moves
Then what? Jerk off in the corner alone?
>>2550882That's what happened with bloody sunday. The protestors weren't even radical, they loved the tsar
imagine scolding strangers on the internet who are likely not new yorkers or even americas for not being enthusiastic about zohran
>>2550898
Why bring up something completely different and unrelated? Shut the hell up
>>2550901
Calm your tits agent johnson
>>2550904
How much do get paid per post?
>>2550890Guide the workers to communism, who will be amazed and impressed by my sick Matrix bullet dodging moves.
>>2550893>They’ve literally been doing this since the English Civil WarAnd?
>if you think you have a chance from inside the belly of the beast you’re delusionalNah, you’re simply too scaredy.
>>2550899Karl Marx advised the opposite of doomerism, not for it.
>>2550872>scientific socialism Semantics.
>at its core capitalism remains the same. So? Its changed in important ways. Gravity hasn't changed much since Newton wrote about it. There are no Newtonists out there thumping the Principa demanding Newton's model of physics is still good. Just because Marx described one thing and that description still has some value doesn't mean we should just go gay for Marx and be obsessed with him all the time.
>Marx's goal was to analyze capitalism and find out what makes it tickHe failed at this in some areas and his autistic followers have failed to radically analyze it too.
>"possible" strategyNeither revolution nor democratic reform are plausible strategies anymore.
>>2550901They do work but only if you can create a spectacle and leverage them for some goal.
>not being enthusiastic about zohran is doomerism
bruh
>you're not on board with my reformist project???
>you must not believe in anything and are a nihilist
I was pretty ambivalent about Zohran winning. I think he’s likely to disappoint everyone but at the same time it has all the worst people malding. Also he must be doing something right to have all these glowies coming out of the wood work. Communism is on the rise one way or another, there’s a specter haunting the Americas and the bourgeoisie know their time is up. Their greed has undermined the very superstructure they need to maintain power. They can’t just call someone a communist and expect the populace to go rabid with fear and anger anymore. Ironically the more hysterical they get about succ dems like Zohran the more they reveal themselves to be working classes enemy.
The only solution to nihilism is to drag them out onto the street to be shot. It's really that simple
>>2550914>>2550911Alright then for the sake argument, what do you believe in and what steps are you taking towards it?
>>2550753no one checks that.
though the intelligence services do. that actually tells you a bit of the power that Hezbollah has, more than anything. ah, also, that fuck israel.
>>2550910
The proletariat of Marx’s day was far less advanced than the proletariat of today. He’d be happy more than anything to see far it has developed and grown.
And Marx was already aware of sectarianism and bourgeoisie influences. What we face today is not something that would shock him too much.
>>2550917Someone understands in full. We will use their fear and reaction against them.
>>2550925Exactly right. Marx's writings apply more now than they ever did 100 years ago, and in more places in the world too. I really think will liberalism crumbling and solutions are looked for this next era will a golden age for both marxism and socialism
>>2550921>no one checks that.as an individual, what's stopping you from checking your own devices, disassembling if needed? since you can access the world wide web, you can look up other people's practices on disassembling (and re-assembling) the precise models you are in possession of
>that actually tells you a bit of the power that Hezbollah has, more than anything.trvke
>>2550917This is the correct take on the Zohran Question. Yes, Mamdani will most likely come up short and disappoint us, but the sheer fact that he got a landslide victory despite being smeared as a communist by his own party and openly and unapologetically pushing for expanding social programs means that socialism is more popular with the masses than it ever was. This is something that we should capitalize on as revolutionaries, so that when Mamdani either fails in his reforms or gets removed from power outright we can futher radicalize people
>>2550935Communists support big businesses not small businerinoss
>>2550935He's going to give them the Romanov treatment once he has them all together.
>>2550927
>The proletariat of today is completely subsumed by capitalism
The proletariat is a product of capitalism.
>and is bought off by social democracy and treats, they have no incentive to fight the system
Are you this detached from the working class? The bourgeoisie’s hunger for more capital has cut down on social programs and these “treats” you mentioned. The younger proletariat has been forsaken by the system as a whole. They have the most incentive to escape the capitalist mode of production.
>>2550909>Gravity hasn't changed much since Newton wrote about it. There are no Newtonists out there thumping the Principa demanding Newton's model of physics is still good.Newtonian physics is literally the basis of classical mechanics LMAO
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_laws_of_motion>doesn't mean we should just go gay for Marx and be obsessed with him all the time. No one except reactionaries like you letting him live rent free in your head out of spite is doing this. Saying Marx is still relevant =\ worship. Stop strawmanning/trolling.
>Neither revolution nor democratic reform are plausible strategies anymore. Can’t fix it, can’t smash it, nothing is possible so let’s do nothing XD
>>2550925>He’d be happy more than anything to see far it has developed and grown.The labor struggle is more dormant than ever LMFAO.
>>2550927>The proletariat of today is completely subsumed by capitalism and is bought off by social democracy and treats, they have no incentive to fight the systemHoly shit this is exactly the retardation you get at when you completely ignore the existence of the petit bourgeois and fall for democratic bullshit like "we are le 99%".
>>2550950>ourthis site is really embarrassing sometimes
>>2550912>>2550918>>2550919>dude NIHILISM lmao!Lol the absolute brain (in)capacity of the retards celebrating some liberal pretending to put forward a working class program. Welcome to the same social comforts as Beograd!
>>2550869You morons believe either there is NO proletariat at all because of some ideological obfuscation about le treats or "imperialism", or that the proletariat are a vast majority of wealthy nations because somehow you can be an immiserated wage worker and own property and considerable reserves at the same time. Both made-up bullshit with zero explanatory power.
>>2550956why are you on an imageboard if you don't wanna have fun
>>2550949>The labor struggle is more dormant than ever The labor struggle may be physically slowed, but the development of class consciousness and the contradictions of the capitalist system are greater than ever.
>>2550957lmao making fun of Nihilism has you TIGHT. I'll remember that for future glowposters
>>2550958you are being weird
>>2550959>development of class consciousness greater than everYou are retarded. "Class consciousness" is literally the labor struggle and proletarian association themselves. If one is dormant it only follows that so is the other. Oh wait, do you think class consciousness is literally "when proletarians have the right thoughts"? Lmfao.
>>2550955>We have to ensure that we're unapologetic about our socialismWell that didn't last very long
>>2550966>draw a hard line!! give me an exact number of proletarians!!! (lol)Lmao never read Marx in their life award.
>>2550961>get rightfully called a retard because because nihilism has literally nothing to do with basic ass class critique<lmao making fun of Nihilism has you TIGHTThis shithole is nothing but mental midgets bruh.
Imagine posting some dank maymays about nihilism as a response to communists talking about parliamentarism. Not a serious person at all.
>>2550957Bruh I just asked a question, what's your solution and what steps are you taking towards it if you're not just a nihilist?
>>2550938> socialism is more popular with the masses than it ever was.what if that is because the masses in america don't know what socialism is and they went from thinking it's when the government does stuff (wrong) to when you break up monopolies and help small business owners (also wrong)
>>2550739will they nuke gdf's channel? how to download yt videos
>>2550977Libtard detected
>>2550979>how to download yt videosget yt-dlp CLI tool or use
https://ytdlp.online/ if you're uncomfortable using a command line interface tool.
>>2550739this is why you always keep a backup
this is why youtube was a mistake
this is why you should host your own web site for your own published videos if you are capable.
>>2550965My mistake, it’s class instincts, not consciousness. You are correct in your semantics. Semantics aside though, I still would say that the development of class consciousness is well under way thanks to class instincts being more widespread than ever.
>>2550979I found this website recently and it's pretty good, also supports tiktok videos:
https://cnvmp3.com/v49This one doesn't work for youtube right now but I've used it before for tiktok and xiahongshu:
https://cobalt.tools/>>2550990>this is why you should host your own web site for your own published videos if you are capable.Name literally one person who does this.
>>2550996
Yeah, he was. He’s a full on zionist who is also in full support of dnc despite any succeem disagreements.
>>2550994>Name literally one person who does this.my whole point is that nobody does it ubt everyone should. it used to be commonplace to have physical copies of your own media before the cloud sucked up it all up where it can be censored by decree.
>>2550994just use yt-dlp instead of random shady sites that get taken down quickly
>>2550994>Name literally one person who does this.Alex Jones
>>2550708
The difference is that Bernie didn't win.
>>2551002Killary doesn't have any donors to please since shes been out of government for over a decade.
>>2551004rumor is she's prepping for 2028
>>2550998>my whole point is that nobody does it ubt everyone should.Gotcha, that's fair.
>>2550999But yt-dlp doesn't work for tiktok…
Seriously why the fuck dont we just form a party and/or militia?
>>2551002One has to understand that there also game of thrones shenanigans going on in the democratic party
>>2551005Puppet or not she’ll try, if there even is a 2028 election that is.
>>2551007It’s expensive, under threat, and recruits would not have a lot of dough on their hands and will requiring a good deal of investing into. Also, we aren’t supposed to do militias. We can do a party, but not a militia.
>>2551009
Why would they dig for an estimate for someone who can’t be assed to do their own research.
>>2551015
>Because we need to get to the real meat and bones about what, if anything can be done in a rich country where the bourgeoisie are the majority
You can find the real meat and bones in your research.
>but I want it from his mouth
I don’t think you deserve that, to be frank with you.
>>2551002The Dem leadership has absolutely decayed even compared to the Obama/Hillary days, which were already horrible. That's how bad things have gotten.
I blame AIPAC.
>>2551002Why wont she fucking go away?
>>2550739This is going to make an even stronger case for seizing and nationalizing youtube and prosecuting anybody who worked there for complicity in genocide once we take power.
>>2551023The word of the day is socializing, not nationalizing.
>>2551023Honestly pretty much all the big social media sites need to be seized and nationalized.
>>2551022Hillary 2028 baby, get ready
#ImStillWithHer
Trump is gonna deport or arrest madami over schizo redscare or islamophobia, i'm calling it. You can print this comment when it happens.
>>2550996
the real bernie sanders betrayal happened in the 1990s when he supported the NATO bombing of yugoslavia. that's when michael parenti stopped vistiing him and that's proof that the senate turns people into monsters in the name of "pragmatism" if they weren't already monsters
>>2551038>an automatic disqualifier.look, ex-imperialists can train the proles all they want, they should still be viewed with heightened awareness and suspicion as they do so
>>2551006>But yt-dlp doesn't work for tiktok…i've gotten it to work for tiktok before. I haven't tried recently but yt-dlp isn't exclusively for youtube. I've even gotten it to download embedded videos on random local news websites before.
>>2550992>lawyers, financiersprobably not
>tech workersprobably a few
lotta NEETS and lumpen too
>>2550989yt-dlg is yt-dlp with a basic gui
>>2550790The central problem is the USA is essentially a company town. Bourgeois social-engineering and cultural hegemony is a direct result of the large imperialist state-monopolies and the muting of the contradiction between workers and their exploitation by capitalists due to imperial spoils. The USAian worker is grown in a vat groomed by psyops since birth. Liberalism enjoys a cultural hegemony a thousand times as medieval Christianity. Anyhow the only way out is through. The next USAian revolution will be a historically progressive holy war in the name of life, liberty and property against the ruling class which will lead to the destabilization of the intelligentsia and prepare the conditions for real class struggle.
>>2551042you can go in network tab and try to grab the actual vid url if the page url doesnt work
>>2550992Yeah the PMC is the proletariatian vanguard.
daily reminder for "le moderate wing of fascism/social fascism" ultra faggots on this shitty irrelevant board that the DSA hasn't been a succdem party since 2016 when it was taken over by an influx of varying far-left types. it's literally just a big tent party; if your special snowflake autistic nitpicking ideology isn't being represented in the DSA you can literally get involved and start fucking organizing unless you're a LARPer armchair faggot ultra or a wrecker fed:
>DSA’s ever-evolving nature demonstrates that it is the best place for communists to organize. Revolutionary movements are not born “ideologically pure.” The Bolsheviks were born from the pluralist RSDLP; the 26th of July Movement was born from the Orthodox Party. The big-tent nature of these organizations allowed organized and disciplined communists to decisively shape the trajectory of their respective revolutions. DSA is the same: as we continue to improve the democratic structures of DSA, and as communists contest for and win hegemony within the organization, we continue to move toward a revolutionary horizon.https://redstarcaucus.org/communists-belong-in-dsa/https://dsa-lsc.org/2025/01/31/a-guide-to-dsa-politics/>>2551041That's fine but to give you an example, the early Zionists joined the British Army during World War II and received military training (and some combat experience in Vichy-controlled Syria and Lebanon). They were also stealing weapons and learning how to manufacture their own ammunition under the noses of the same British authorities who were enlisting them. You can dismiss this, but in the end, they had a practical and strategic approach that led them to be better prepared, better armed, and better organized, and they could mobilize more people than their enemies in 1948 even though their population was the minority, and that's why they won.
Most people who talk about militias don't really have a clear idea what militias "are" I think. First of all they are armed extensions of already-existing political organizations or communities. So if you don't have that, forget about it. But second of all, they are paramilitary structures with a chain of command. It can be more or less democratic but in general there's an expectation that you'll be there for drill this Saturday at 6:00 a.m. sharp. It has to be this way because without discipline and order, then you will make mistakes and that = death. Also, it sucks and everybody suffers a lot. These are things people would not normally do unless they felt they didn't have any other options. Especially if you're asking people to do it for FREE. The army at least pays and you get (shitty) healthcare.
At any rate, if you're going to privilege your moral framework over practical requirements, then avoid militias. I don't think you can combine that with moral purity. Maybe some left-wing group will figure it out but I think the contradictions are too great.
>>2551038get foreigners to train you
>>2550956The constant fetishistic goonery almost disgusts me
>>2550958It's fine if it's on /siberia/ since that board is just shitposting
>>2551067the conditions in the US today dictate that you need to be a spiteful son of a bitch in order to win like unironically. the far-right is a bunch of crybully faggots who have been basically giving Mamdani and the DSA free propaganda signal boosting by having their pathetic meltdowns over this whole situation and it's exactly the sorta shit we should learn from and be trying to keep instigating. it doesn't matter whether there's a real socialist movement in the US right now; fake it til you fucking make it:
>Trent uses the term "hyperstition" for "cybernetic" belief systems such as these. "It’s not a simple matter of true or false with hyperstitious systems. Belief here doesn’t have a simply passive quality. The situation is closer to the modern phenomenon of hype than to religious belief as we’d ordinarily think about it. Hype actually makes things happen, and uses belief as a positive power. Just because it’s not ‘real’ now, doesn’t mean it won’t be real at some point in the future. And once it’s real, in a sense, it’s always been."http://hyperstition.abstractdynamics.org/archives/006777.html >>2551067That's very insightful, tbh. It looks like the conservatives will be using Mamdani as their anti-Trump and hate figure for the rest of the term.
>>2551035
aw boo-hoo, radlib.
>>2551010what do you mean "we aren't supposed to do" militias
>>2550746>the right have been so successful because they have specifically embraced leninist tactics, i.e. a mixture of legal and illegal methods, militias, etcthe right is successful because they have the explicit support of the state. nothing else.
>>2551079that's implied by the part of the post you didn't quote
>>2551035
>redfash. Tankie scum
liberals use insults like these while supporting CIA coups and drone strikes. you're blue fash dronie scum.
>>2551078Exactly that
>To be able forcefully and threateningly to oppose this party, whose betrayal of the workers will begin with the very first hour of victory, the workers must be armed and organized. The whole proletariat must be armed at once with muskets, rifles, cannon and ammunition, and the revival of the old-style citizens’ militia, directed against the workers, must be opposed. Where the formation of this militia cannot be prevented, the workers must try to organize themselves independently as a proletarian guard, with elected leaders and with their own elected general staff; they must try to place themselves not under the orders of the state authority but of the revolutionary local councils set up by the workers. Where the workers are employed by the state, they must arm and organize themselves into special corps with elected leaders, or as a part of the proletarian guard. Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary. The destruction of the bourgeois democrats’ influence over the workers, and the enforcement of conditions which will compromise the rule of bourgeois democracy, which is for the moment inevitable, and make it as difficult as possible – these are the main points which the proletariat and therefore the League must keep in mind during and after the approaching uprising.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/communist-league/1850-ad1.htm BREAKING: ANNA KHACHIYAN AND DASHA NEKRASOVA SENTENCED TO DEATH
>>2551089
The sectarian appears to be having a bit of a melty
>>2551089
marx would call you a moron btw
>>2551090thats that shakira law smh
>>2551090and the doomers said zohran wouldnt do shit
>>2551079The right is successful because much of the material base of the imperial core is outsourced to the periphery. Consequently, the superstructure reflects the semi-feudal and reactionary character of the base. If your base relies on minerals mined with enslaved children then your superstructure will reflect that. Fundamentally, USAians live in a semi-feudal society and not a fully capitalist one. Imperialism and the semi-feudal economy are two sides of the same market. This is why USAians have a reactionary and peasant-like mentality.
>>2551095really wish more so-called socialists would read literally any theory because if you have a basic understanding of Marxism it's fairly obvious that the US over the past several decades has essentially regressed into exactly this sort of semi-feudal society. it's not quite the same obviously but this is what happens when you have a global empire whose main tactic of imperialism has been to outsource production to the global south in what is/was effectively a bid for the bourgeois to temporarily amass even more wealth by displacing the progression of history onto the rest of the world (passing through the capitalist stage of development) while simultaneously forcing its own nation to regress into a similar sort of underdeveloped backwardness that you would typically see in pre-capitalist colonies.
>>2551089
Pseud takes
>>2551095>USAians live in a semi-feudal society and not a fully capitalist onethis theory is very stupid. there is no such thing as a semi feudal country in our age of globalized capitalism, not even in underdeveloped african countries
>>2551097so… we should do a maoism? ?
>>2550715and leftypolfsgs want to break up this beautiful marriage. sad.
>>2551100there isn't a direct comparison to be made between the current conditions in the US and those of traditional backwards underdeveloped colonies but I do think that American communists should read Mao as a generally useful theorist in addition to having some relevance to the particular circumstances of the US. there's a reason why the Black Panthers were strongly influenced by Maoism and developed their theory of internal colonialism based off third-worldist theories. I can't recall the exact quote from the Little Red Book but something Mao talks about that later inspired Deng Xiaoping's Socialism with Chinese Characteristics is that a communist movement cannot treat Leninism or Marxism as a one-size-fits-all guideline for revolution; the conditions of revolutionary China were not the same as those of revolutionary Russia, and the same is true for the US today. this seems pretty common sense to me but most leftoids are ideologues who have an extremely narrowminded fixation to doctrines and lines for parties that either literally do not exist in the US or that have zero political relevance. the whole point of following the line is when a communist party has gained some influence and momentum so that you don't start acting like a wrecker (
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-2/mswv2_03.htm), but we are nowhere near that point right now. which is incidentally why the DSA's big tent strategy is the move at this stage of the development of the subjective forces
>>2551064 >>2551102>DEFECTORS FROM THE IMPERIAL AND STATE MILITARY APPARATUSES SHOULD BE USED EFFECTIVELY TO TRAIN THE RANK AND FILE TO BE COMBAT READY … THAT DOES NOT MEAN THEY SHOULD BE TRUSTED WITH ORGANIZATIONAL POWERThat's literally what you're doing though if you're giving them responsibility to train people with weapons, although I think if you're going to be a Leninist then you'll assign political officers to keep an eye on them.
>>2550818>There are many strains of Marxismand many of them irrelevant poorly revisioned versions.
>>2551099Every capitalist society is semifeudal by default. The question is, does the term provide useful meaning?
>>2551099>semi feudal country in our age of globalized capitalismthere's modern day slavery . Slavery wasn't truly displaced by capitalism. we can thank Europe, the US. and their vassals for that.
>>2551100socialism with American characteristics.
>>2551107>>2551102>>2551041Why the fuck are you retards acting suspicious of people who are being open and honest about their former state affiliations?
>>2550164W
>>2550453Knicks win the finals in MSG this year calling it
>>2551126a large segment of The Left are just here to shoot themselves in the foot and splinter at every opportunity because they hate winning.
>>2551126>>2551133Why wouldn’t we be suspicious of the military?
>>2551135
Why wouldn’t we be suspicious of the military?
>>2551134being suspicious is one thing but when a guy comes to you and says "hey, I used to be in the military, I saw the error of my ways, I'm a Leftist now and would like to help train fellow comrades in fighting against the powers of the state" you should probably stop being a defeatist and at least TRY to get some benefit out of them.
Throwing away perfectly good human capital just because you don't like where it came from is as wasteful as throwing away food. If they turn out to be traitors so be it, but we absolutely need trained military that can pass on that knowledge.
>>2551140>you should probably stop being a defeatist and at least TRY to get some benefit out of them.>Throwing away perfectly good human capital just because you don't like where it came from is as wasteful as throwing away food.The previous anons were not saying this though. All they said was to keep an eye on them.
>>2551143True, I think with any new recruit they should be expected to prove their worth like anyone else. Military should of course be willing to offer something that is relevant to their expertise.
Good plan would be asking ex-military recruits to provide classified information or something as leverage to prove their loyalty.
>"The right of a nation to kill a tyrant in case of necessity can no more be doubted than to hang a robber, or kill a flea." -John Adams
>>2551148If you kill your enemies, they win
How are the meltdowns? I've been busy all day and haven't had time to check out social media or the news.
>>2551140>being suspicious is one thingyes it sure is
>but when a guy comes to you and saysoh boy what's this hypothetical person gonna say
>"hey, I used to be in the military, I saw the error of my ways, I'm a Leftist now and would like to help train fellow comrades in fighting against the powers of the state"yeah that's great…
when that happens… what happens more often is some ex-vet bombed the shit out of some people far away, comes home, sees poverty at home, and wants to fight poverty at home, usually through some incoherent political mixture of different ideologies, but doesn't feel one bit bad about the "national security" shit he did, doesn't do any reading or self reflection, and tries to enter the anti-capitalist movement with no real care for anti imperialism, and whines whenever veterans are talked about badly, and demands to be upheld as perfect and changed for every little thing he does. that's the kind of thing i see IRL quite often, and it's the kind of thing graham platner for example (a topic of debate on here lately) is, with the added bonus that he is asking for a position of power within the government, rather than trying to fight the government.
> you should probably stop being a defeatist and at least TRY to get some benefit out of them.i will the moment i see that happen
>Throwing away perfectly good human capital>human capitalthe irony of wording it this way
>just because you don't like where it came fromyou've been strawmanning this whole time. first you strawman a good vet who really wants to change, then you strawman an evil purity tester who doesn't want to give him a chance, and you pretend this dichotomy what was being remotely suggested prior to your post.
> If they turn out to be traitors so be it,it's a little more than "so be it" if they take advantage of your trust and worm their way into a position of power in your movement which is why extra caution is needed with "ex-" imperialists.
>but we absolutely need trained military that can pass on that knowledge.idk if you realize this but the imperial core militaries aren't t the only people on earth who know how to use guns.
>>2551152>idk if you realize this but the imperial core militaries aren't t the only people on earth who know how to use guns.Where do you propose American Leftists go to get their firearms training? Gaza? Chiraq? Somalia?
I really don't think the PLA will be interested in training you.
I don't really have a counterargument to the rest of what you say tho. All I mean is we should look at all options and be opportunists when possible. If ex-military want to join the Left, even if their motives are in question, we can probably find some use for them that isn't putting the entire movement at risk.
>>2551156
Most of those gun ranges are owned/run by veterans or MAGAs tho…
>>2551155
Bro is blabbering
>>2551140>being suspicious is one thing but when a guy comes to you and says "hey, I used to be in the military, I saw the error of my ways, I'm a Leftist now and would like to help train fellow comrades in fighting against the powers of the state" yeah thats why need to increase shipbuilding capacity for the coming war with china. everyone knows hungry children and homelessness is fixed by having more air craft carriers. anyone who disagrees is just a terminally online defeatist wrecker and probably an authoritarian tankie and not even a real socialist
>>2551158then start your own fucking gun range.
get a fucking job.
get some fucking money.
its the ONLY way to accomplish anything materially in this mode of production.
Can't get a job?
form a fucking gang.
you can't do shit without money, revolutions are not cheap.
you need food, ammo, medical supplies, in modern times you will need electronic systems, drones, radios, radars, missiles, etc.
even if it is not at the point of imminent violence in your context, you will need money for bail funds, to host events, to recruit and train various personnel.
having land or property would not hurt.
you need a party, and that party needs MONEY, to do anything, and you have to GIVE it to them somehow.
if you can't find an already existing party (PSL) to give your money to, then start your own - but you will need money even more to do this, hence:
GET A JOB OR FORM A GANG YOU FUCKING BASEMENT DWELLING NEETS
>>2551157lawyers do have large sense of justice
>>2551117I think shes making a comparison to discriminating against trans people is same as segregation against blacks.
>>2551144>Good plan would be asking ex-military recruits to provide classified information or something as leverage to prove their loyalty.Most people who would be defecting would be grunts who don't have classified info lol. If you set the bar at "has classified info" you are only going to allow spooks.
>>2551172Yeah I guess so. I assume grunts have other things to offer tho like info on bases or operations etc.
>>2551172Nothing a Grunt could provide (in terms of experience) could not be practiced and refined by doing extensive LARP-esque research
>>2551174a grunt is another person capable of doing work and one who already has training
>>2551154>>2551156The money problem on the left is a big problem. If it wasnt for that or maybe USAs general isolation from the rest of the world I think foreign militias etc would probably be the best option for training. As long we don't do anything like this
>>2551164 Building trust through robbing MFs a day ago and asking for help the next isnt a real strategy
>>2551177Could rob porkies and redistribute to the poor tho. That always gets you popular.
>>2551164>get a fucking job.In this economy?
>get some fucking money.In this economy?
>form a fucking gang.In this economy?
>you need food, ammo, medical supplies, in modern times you will need electronic systems, drones, radios, radars, missiles, etc.In this economy?
>even if it is not at the point of imminent violence in your context, you will need money for bail funds, to host events, to recruit and train various personnelIn this economy?
>having land or property would not hurt.you need a party, and that party needs MONEY, to do anything, and you have to GIVE it to them somehow.
In this economy?
>if you can't find an already existing party (PSL) to give your money to, then start your own - but you will need money even more to do thisIn this economy?
>GET A JOB OR FORM A GANG YOU FUCKING BASEMENT DWELLING NEETSIn this economy?
>>2550187Allende and Arbenz and were basically social democrats and they were still violent deposed off by the US and CIA and those were way over half a century ago long before any of this was seen even possible here
It's still seen as a threat, the only reason they were allowed in places like northern Europe was because places closest to the USSR needed to look livable and clean for propaganda(and probably because they were white too let's be real here)
>>2551185
In this economy?
>>2551179When Stalin was robbing banks, the Bolsheviks already existed as an independent party that could present a clear alternative to the semi-feudalist hegemony. Playing Robin Hood without having an actual, distinct, self-assured communist movement to serve as its ideological foundation and direction is nothing but adventurism/propaganda of the deed nonsense. People need to be able to point to a clear group that is helping them and offering an alternative: "See there, I recognize those people as the communists. They're the only ones doing anything. Manybe communism is the right answer!"
just pull yourself up by your bootstraps comrade
>>2551186Allende was not a succdem lol
>>2551070Trvkular energy in this post but this site is filled with faggots who probably would've given JD Vance a career because we gotta le reach these reactionaries
No, stomp them in the head, make them cry, some of them will wake up and think you're cool and go along with you while the others will die(in the market place of ideas)
God I want to rape Sean Hanitty
>>2551071maybe anti-zorhan shills were right, he's becoming the next obama aka massive hate campaign(with racist and xenophobic overtones, undertones are for the 00's) abound
These people are violent rants and will probably try to kill someone though
>>2551117 Virginia has always been the U.S.’s butthole. That fucking place killed John Brown
>>2551169they're the final bosses of debatelords
>>2551194technically harpers ferry was in what is now west virginia but sentiment is same
>>2551117Didn't black people vote overwhemlingly for spamburger, which got some republicans mad because they thought black people only vote by race
>>2551154>Where do you propose American Leftists go to get their firearms training? Gaza? Chiraq? Somalia?>>2551156>They can get firearms training at many places. Gun ranges are everywhere dumbassDon't think about firearms training. This is why these attempts at forming militias in this country always fail. They only think about guns. They don't realize that armed forces rely on coordinated teamwork so everyone knows what everyone else is doing while they're getting shot at (and some of them are getting killed). Also most of warfare isn't actual combat, it's digging trenches, sleep deprivation and senseless boredom. Doing hard manual labor is more common than shooting in anger. A lot of training is about instilling discipline, hygiene, etc. Honestly think if leftists wanted to form militias, they'd come up with a checklist of 50 things to work on with firearm training being like #49 on the list which they do for a week at most during months of training.
>>2551164>even if it is not at the point of imminent violence in your context, you will need money for bail funds, to host events, to recruit and train various personnel.Also this is true, but FWIW if we're talking about mixing politics and guns then you need way more money and organization than some bail fund cash, because you're probably going to prison. A dozen or two anarchists forming a gun club is not going to amount to anything compared to a paramilitary force that has tens or hundreds of thousands of members with millions (or hundreds of millions) of dollars in funds at minimum.
>>2551197this is bad, we need to tell them they're social fascists and that they should die and they aren't really working class and socialism is about reading and doing nothing
>>2551197>Kamala Harris +17I’m calling bull
>>2551197The name “League of American Workers” is a curious name. Let’s google it out of curiosity:
>The League of American Workers is a “populist right, pro-worker organization,” according to its founder, Steve Cortes, a longtime conservative pundit and former Donald Trump spokesperson. The group’s website claims Cortes is leading “a young and growing movement of pro-worker patriotic populism. … There’s certainly plenty of room to grow, The Intercept found. By all indications, this “league” is a one-man show without apparent ties to the “disregarded American workers” Cortes claims to represent. Instead, the League of American Workers has links to GOP dark money and a network of conservative websites dressed up to look like local news outlets.Huh
>>2551206>League of American Workers I'm reading this book about fascism and the "league" in the title sounds like the name of an Italian proto-fascist organization. Like it'd be called
Fascio dei Lavoratori Americani.
>>2551212My first thought was that it sounded like a Nazi Party controlled union in Germany
>>2551217>>2551206>Speaking for American workers is a new gig for Cortes, a Georgetown graduate who toiled on Wall Street before landing a Trump administration role and founding a boutique consultancy for “institutional investors and sophisticated individuals” that he runs to this day. Since its launch in 2023, Cortes has used the League of American Workers as a comms shop to peddle an anti-union version of blue-collar populism. His league is also one of dozens on the advisory board for Project 2025.:^)
>>2551200>Don't think about firearms trainingthis. And today especially, learning how to operate a drone can basically replace firearms training, but organization, communication, movement and discipline are most important
zohran is giving me hope lads
>>2550998the problem is video is expensive. youtube runs at a loss because its owned by one of the biggest monopolies. you could just nationalize google, or skip past the platform with p2p mesh but the problem is adoption. i dont think we have the infrastructure and even if we had 5g the routers would be owned by private isps just like the backbone is now. you dont have the bandwidth
>>2551028yes
>>2551228Live Laugh Love ahh font
In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful, I bring you good tidings from the Islamic People’s Caliphate of New York, under the leadership of Caliph Mamdani, the Lion of Morningside Heights.
>>2551040back when he was getting beat by the cops he would say our factories should make home appliances instead of bombs and then lockheed said they would bring jobs to burlington and he changed his mind
one question to the burgers in general, when trump leaves,
at this point, if, will he remove all the gilded trinkets
>>2551228 he put on the WH?
>>2551246
until we tear it down
>>2551248
not with that attitude
>>2551242Next guy will be like Pope Francis, saying fuck off to all the gold and shit, wearing the most simple shit you're allowed to, and getting buried in a wooden box with no decorations
All that shit will be torn off and the white house will look like a shotgun house
>>2551267
Gavin Newsom will absolutely not be the next guy
People like him for trolling and doing the bare minimum to push back against trump, but his record and attitude is too much like the shit people want to get away from
>>2551255one of the democratic party's strongest soldiers
>>2551255the 65+ vote for Zohran is hilarious
fucking Cuomosexual boomers can't die off soon enough
>>2551296False flags will absolutely go buck fucking wild won't they
He's gonna get Allende'd isn't he
>>2551296>>2551304mark my words, any retaliation against Mamdani's victory will be the best thing that could possibly happen to the US left. repression against moderate variants of leftist organizing is pretty much the textbook pipeline towards creating a more militant communist movement.
>>2550602So you don’t trust the disabled?
>>2550681>>2550665Crenshaw is more of a freak honestly. He’s not as much of a freak as JD Vance but there are no “normal” republicans these days.
>>2551255Why are boomer women voting for creepy Cuomo?
>>2551316JD Vance is a soft handed nerd, Crenshaw was special forces so he was basically in a death squad. Special forces were the people who roped out of helicopters every night looking for "High Value Targets" to kill or torture. They were the ones who actually did most of the torturing too.
Crenshaw is way more of a freak than JD Vance will ever be tbh. We've just normalized mass murder as long as it's done in service of empire.
>>2551228LMFAO did he really just put paper on the side? He didn’t even order golden lettering, he just got them to put printed sheets of paper on the side
>>2551308Maybe I overestimate the potentcy of the fed's propaganda machine, but I feel they could make up enough bullshit to get people pacified.
>The shooter was a heckin Somali Queer we found Xer in a mcdonalds with the manifesto in xer backpack!>Ma'amdami, an alleged transsexual, was no angel. We found 200tb of CSAM on his laptop when we raided his penthouse suite. >>2551201dude if all this energy and enthusiasm just gets poured into electoralism then itll all fizzle out in dissapointment when reformism fails for the millionth time.
>>2551314never been able to watch a clip of him past his faggot ass voice nor do i want to. can someone explain what he actually means by america first? like just ending all foreign endeavors? what does he say should be done after that?
>>2551345who gives a shit. idk why that thin wristed faggot gets constantly posted and discussed here.
>>2551342I think we've reached a point where there is such a complete lack of trust in the federal govt from everyone but the most deranged MAGA cultists that if this were attempted it would be very transparently bullshit. I mean look at how badly the establishment propaganda machine failed to stop Mamdani from getting elected in the first place despite the constant smear campaigns, or how they kept very obviously making up bullshit about the Charlie Kirk shooting that kept turninng out to be obvious lies, or the whole Epstein Files situation. I don't think the US propaganda machine has ever been this ineffective in its modern history, though at the same time there is a large enough contingent of aforementioned MAGA cultists who are basically clinically delusional that it's keeping some amount of stability as far as the Trump admin's optics goes.
basically if they try to make a move on Mamdani the only people who are gonna buy whatever bullshit they come up with are gonna be the people who are beyond saving and will believe anything Trump says. for everyone else it would just be an extremely high-profile instance of one of the darkest open secrets of the modern US: that the empire regularly extrajudicially executes or imprisons anyone who is politically inconvenient to keep around.
Streisand effect type shit
I am not going to let people doomer post me about mamdani. I am drinking my hopium and keeping my cup full. We won.
>>2551348These people need to shut the fuck up. I'm not saying this to be like "ohh I'm gonna gitchu." It's for their own good. Because I can't think of anything as useless, thoughtless, and counterproductive than what they're doing right now. Because do you [note: I'm addressing the hypothetical Zionist who is reading this here] think trying to get Anna Kasparian and Tucker Carlson cancelled is going to make people like you? You want people to like you, right? Do you do that, or do you run your life a little differently? Maybe treat others fairly and kindly, and try not to be a dick. Also work on yourself. Take some Krav Maga classes! It'll make you more physically attractive rather than the wretched look you're developing while hunched over your screen all the time. Try to look INWARD at yourself rather than focusing all your efforts OUTWARD at "them."
HEY HEY HO HOANNA KASPARIAN HAS GOT TO GOThis is what you sound like right now. Is it possible that, like some tacky third-world dictatorship, you're doing parading around to distract attention from your own internal shortcomings?
>>2551360They're grifting so hard. I almost admire it.
>>2551366what groypers were there?
>>2551358More importantly, why does everyone let them spout their shit with no pushback?
>>2551364it's been pretty fucking funny watching the RepubliKKKans and Trump admin fumble the bag this fucking hard by openly not giving a shit about doing anything to improve the material conditions of like, literally anyone except billionaires. even the Nazis understood that you need to have some kind of concept of a Volk that benefits in some way from your fascist takeover for it to not immediately fall apart.
>>2551368It was no one noteworthy just 2 random kids in nicks america first hats. They were not even white lol. One was a brown Hispanic and the other a brown Muslim
https://xcancel.com/NickJFuentes/status/1986258566416654847#mhttps://xcancel.com/Sneak0o/status/1985911456102236580#m >>2551218the GOP really tries hard to corner the "pro worker" classpol angle on porky's behalf while the Democrats try really hard to corner the "pro marginalized" idpol angle on porky's behalf.
>>2551366n musk is a neonazi, what u expect from xitter
We should stop referring to them as Zionists and instead refer to them as white supremacists.
>>2551419modern zionism = clerical fascism. they're clerical fascists.
Over the coming weeks it is possible mamdani passes AOC in Instagram followers if he keeps getting steam. I will update again later on if it happens
>>2551405I had to break her name up and come up with a mnemonic to remember how to spell it
A Bug Haz A Leh
"A Bug Haz A Leg" where you replace the last G with an H
>>2551434Some people on pol said her name sounds like when you sneeze
>>2551419but some of the most bloodthirsty zionists are Arab "Mizrahi" jews I've heard. And whiteness is fake and gay anyway. Borderline useless concept when you look at Naztecs like Fuentes.
>>2551420>modern zionism = clerical fascism. they're clerical fascists.A lot of jews in Israel are non-practicing, secular, or even atheists, and their "Jewish" identity is purely ethnic and an excuse to use Aliyah as a privilege. A lot of pedos and sex offenders I have heard will opportunistically "convert" to Judaism and use it as a pretext for fleeing to Israel.
>>2551441>1988>1999she likes 'em older eh. no hate, just interesting to note.
>>2551441As the ceo he tried to buy infowars for 1 million dollars to troll far right people
>As Global Tetrahedron CEO, Collins oversaw the company's attempted purchase of InfoWars, aiming to relaunch it with satire about the far right and conspiracy theorists, as well as genuine gun violence prevention information.[45] The purchase attempt was put on hold,[46] and eventually rejected by the federal bankruptcy court which had overseen the auction.[47] >>2551308ACP garbage where they'll cheer on trump killing anyone resisting to the point they might just as well be republicans
>>2551345>can someone explain what he actually means by america first?It's a white nationalist slogan, that's literally it
some people pretend it's not and try to "re appropriate" it but when fuentes says it he just means white nationalism
that's it
>>2551343no one says it all has to be on electoralism only, but shame people who feel hopeful over this I'm sure they'll like you
>>2551440>but some of the most bloodthirsty zionists are Arab "Mizrahi" jews I've heardThe were treated like shit when the asheknazis came over and didn't have equal rights for years, they were seen as backwards and arabs and needing to be eurofied, mizrahi rabid zionism is a result of intense compensation for not feeling like "real" jews once again zionism really is just european colonization
>>2551438were you not around for the bernie '16 and '20 panics?
>>2551455I watched a documentary called no other land about Israel's occupation. The IDF soldiers going there to bulldoze their home were literally more Arab looking and dark than a lot of the Palestinians next to them
>>2551451I hate the ACP and MAGA Communism in general; this is just an analysis that is consistent with what we've already seen happen this year. I don't *want* Trump to try to do a coup against NYC or some shit like that but if it did happen it would be a spectacularly stupid overreach on top of nearly a year of fucking basically everything up at every turn and being so blatantly on the wrong side of history that American libs have been getting into confrontations with ICE and most of the world views China more favorable than the US. ruling by blunt stupid repression and violence is a sign of a regime that has lost the mandate of heaven.
>>2551358being unreasonable increases anti-semitism which increases both immigration to and support for israel as a safe place for jews. its the same reason they conflate criticism of israel with anti-semitism, they dont actually care and it in fact benefits them at the expense of even anti-zionist jews
>>2551457It was easy to commit electoral fraud against Bernie. Not with Zohran. They couldn't even do that to Zohran because he had so much popular support, and the feds will probably kill him anyway (Trump also cut off his funding, so no money printer).
>>2551438What worries me more than the standard bourgeois reactoids seething about succdems like they're the second coming of Stalin, is this gay mexican nazi catboy running the "America First" movement, a movement so idiot and reactionary, you might as well call it "Humanity Last" because that's really what "America First" means at this point. It's come down to a choice between keeping the human species going, or keeping this stupid fucking country going, and hundreds of millions of retards here would rather keep the nation going than keep humanity going, not realizing that you can't have a nation without people. Nazoids really take the principle of nationalism and ramp it up into a suicidal death drive, and the Other Nazis, the zionist freaks, seethe so hard about Fuentard and his gaggle of faggots that they are bound to give Fuentard momentum from their seethe alone. Millions of people will become nazis in this country just to make zios seethe not realizing they're two sides of the same coin. (for example 20% of retards 18-29 years old now declare in polls that the holocaust didn't happen, just to spite DA JOOZ even though 50% of holocaust victims weren't even DA JOOZ) Disgusting country really. oooooooooh but i gotta do a heckin patriotism or i'll alienate the scum who just can't accept pro-worker politics without the salmonella-ridden red meat of muh patriotism and spooky racist nonsense idpol. yes i'm big mad.
>>2551440>A lot of pedos and sex offenders I have heard will opportunistically "convert" to Judaism and use it as a pretext for fleeing to Israel.this is the first time ive heard of people converting for the sake of fleeling. its not easy to convert. but mind you, i've heard stories where for example some guy wanted a last minute wedding so he paid a rabbi $1000 for a last minute conversation which nomrally takes 1-3 years. money talks. ivanka trump jewish = yes! some broke guy who's been at it for 5 years = no!
UN’s Albanese posts cartoon echoing age-old anti-Jewish spiderweb trope. Holocaust museum calls graphic ‘unconscionable’
https://www.timesofisrael.com/uns-albanese-posts-cartoon-echoing-age-old-anti-jewish-spiderweb-trope/Lmao
>>2551364>republicans like to lose>democrats like to loseEach party always says this when they lose an election its so tiring. Maybe they would stay in power if they actually helped the working people of America instead of sucking capitalist dick. They only difference between the two is republicans melt down way harder.
>>2551405Pretty based but I'm expcecting she will tone down her language once she actually gets a lead
>>2550365He fucked all of them
>>2551492Fuck your holocaust
>>2551509He's transitioning
>>2551484I worry less about the catboy spending the right's tokens and dividing their party than the death merchants at fox superPAC who sell people on war and encourage forced euthanasia on the homeless and poor. But since they've gone full mask off, the hatred and paranoia that drives modern 'conservatism' will stress and kill its consumers at an accelerated rate. If the hate that united them then consumes them, they destroy the abomination they created. Maybe that's what 'turn up the volume' means, but idk. The humanity last movement is self defeating, no?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8CcTYsMHYU >>2551514See this is why traditional media is dying. They have enormous leverage over pundits
This guy is exactly right. They can't do anything about independent media pundits and it fucking terrifies them
Depending on where it's coming from, America First™ can mean expanding the 'empire' by bombing and threatening to invade as many sovereign nations as possible, but for most it seems to mean "whites only". Even less, it is against foreign interference. I see none of the tea partiers who hated Obama citing the Constitution to mask their bigotry anymore, so their motivation has always been about power /supremacy over others and citing the worst examples to demonize entire groups to 'justify' their supremacy. An exclusive ideology to benefit the elites at the people's expense, so divisiveness to prevent unity among the hoi polloi. I can't understand how people can't see it.
>>2551514>What the beast says about the harlot is true, therefore, we must support the beast.???
NYT afraid that Mamdani says he want to deliver what he promess 'An Emboldened Mamdani Sheds Conciliatory Tone
'
https://archive.ph/nJn9Z /
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/05/nyregion/zohran-mamdani-wins-interview.html>>2551337Zohran has already promised that federal agents who break the law (ICE) will be arrested by the NYPD under state and local law, so yes, they would get into a fight with the feds… I mean, they have enough military grade gear to match up anyways, so why not? Zohran Red Guards here we come.
>>2551524the american bourgeoise can by definition never be 'america first' as they are the leaders of the international gang of imperialists. They may claim to be 'american first', but it will always be a false, different kind of 'american first' that non-elites (the masses) think it to be
but if they did, it would mean disunity of the international bourgeoise and that can only mean a total war conflict between imperialist powers
>>2551526why are you posting billionaire media propaganda as if you believe it
>>2551528
nick fuentes has no power at all, no one in charge is letting him ever have power. His base of fatherless brown zoomers isnt big enough to ever give him any power. 15 years from now if he isnt dead or in prison he will still be a virgin loser in his moms basment nagging the GOP and living off superchats.
fuentes has no ideology and leads you to nowhere, his whole schtick is being transgressive for attention and money
>>2551527It will be impossible to arrest bibi until yellow hair is gone. Every time the courts take up a states rights issue, the state loses, and this court is stacked. Every lever of actual power is in play so the military is a last resort.
>>2551531You do have a point, I'll be watching from the sidelines, tho. Diplomacy can only make a comeback if the majority considers the common good of all humanity and aspires to be more humane.
I'm still waiting for this day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6PMnHi8qy8 >>2551419yes make it about muh race that has worked so well in the past
>>2551537Three words:
Let them fight.
>>2551514>Heaven forbid we have someone who isn't loyal to Israel and isn't for sale have some power in his own country.1. Fuentes and his ilk do not have a monopoly on anti-Israel politics.
2. "America First" = Humanity Last because it upholds burger reich hegemony and supremacism. It's right there in the name. It's a project to untether American imperialism from Israel, not a project to end American imperialism.
>>2551531Humanity First, National Chauvinism Never
>>2551543not sure if 'humanity first' is an actual choice here friend
>>2551547And now a lot of bans of Kratom because of the 7OH shit…
>>2551544
False dichotomy. Both exist to serve the petrol empire and the overlap is undeniable. Hence, the rightoid civil war. But the majority of the world isn't concerned with your civil war. They may cheer it on since the republican party must be finished off but I that doesn't require choosing a side.
>>2551550>But the majority of the world isn't concerned with your civil warclueless beyond belief
>>2551546chauvinists love insisting this over and over and over all throughout history even as humanity becomes more interdependent.
there was a time when people mere miles from you may as well have been considered your mortal enemy, now we have nations with millions of people untied by bourgeois "national" identities that didn't even exist in the middle ages. Eventually even these bourgeois national identities will be shed for a shared human identity, just like regional and provincial identities were shed in favor of national identity. You believe people are all as narrow and shortsighted as you, more loyal to an arbitrary social construct like the nation than to the entire species, that they would rather see the species perish than the nation.
>>2551544now that your Ramiro D'Orco has outlived his usefulness you intend to execute him and pretend you did not assist him in all his crimes. But the world sees and knows that America shares a large part of the responsibility for this genocide, and no sudden project to decouple America from its own past is going to make the rest of humankind forget what America helped Israel do. Especially not when America Firsters screech for the blood of Venezuela through "America First" imperialist chauvinism.
>>2551552Which side is the CCP rooting for, the catboi nazis or the zio nazis? Have fun, I guess.
>>2551559
Nobody said it didn't matter, I was pointing out that the branding serves the same interests and now the snake is eating its tail.
>>2551554>Eventually even these bourgeois national identities will be shed for a shared human identity, just like regional and provincial identities were shed in favor of national identity.the world will eventually be under a single worker polity, I believe that, but we're a few epochs away from it being even remotely considerable. the next step before that happens is the world forming into a handful of regional blobs (combined europe, combined latam, etc)
>Which side is the CCP rooting foramerica barely qualifies as a regional power if led by the catboi national bourgeois, so obviously it would be preferable for China if america was castrated
>>2551563
I'm not a communist, I just want to see the republican party destroyed. The difference is I'm not rooting for a side in your maga civil war. If the reps want to nazis I really don't care.
>>2551566>I'm not a communistwhat are you
>>2551543>Humanity Firstlibslop
>>2551568I don't belong to any movement. A genre unto myself. It happens from time to time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B61XAN2Ujw>>2551569I don't know anything about the guy who was shot except it wasn't with a 30aught06.
>>2551576>I don't belong to any movement. A genre unto myself. oh OK you're just a liberal then lol. why make it confusing for yourself
>>2551578No, not a nihilist but a navigator.
>>2551539
>that figure is impossible to check
so its bullshit
>>2551579I can't stand libs any more than cons. Why is it so difficult to comprehend independence?
>>2551582
Based.
>>2551583no man is an island. i think its time to re-evaluate what you believe. start with marx
>>2551544
>Our options are the beast or the harlot, please choose :(
No.
>>2551586I know who I am and I don't need to become a disciple for discernment.
>>2551587We need to sanction Israel and try their leader's for war crimes.
>>2551589how does a liberal even find this place
>>2551583>I can't stand libs any more than cons.This doesnt mean you are not a libtard, libtard
>Why is it so difficult to comprehend independence?Indpendence from what?
>>2551595Independence from contrived narratives. It is possible for people to think for themselves. I didn't realize how rare that is these days, but it still exists.
>>2551605absolutely true. control the ports you control the country
>>2551605Idk why anyone thinks otherwise.
The population in a lot of rural areas is under 5000 people. It’s not the best place to find a “reserve army of labor” .
>>2551610crazy how they're not getting paid right now lol
>>2551611i've been working out this idea of mine that there may be an unspoken strategy on the part of the Trump/Project 2025 types to turn blue states and cities into impoverished internal frontiers and relocate investment to red states, like Trump shutting down federal money only to Democrat held parts of the country but private sector actors also doing this too. essentially turning their own country into a colonization project.
>>2551612But, crucially rural areas have a ton of autonomy and low barriers to revolution. There's a reason both the USSR and CCP started with recruiting from the rural areas.
Trying to spread Communism outwards from the cities has a lot more hurdles tbh, even if it's easier once you actually get a foothold.
>>2551615That would be stupid because those people from NY or CA aren't gonna change their beliefs just because they move to Austin. They're gonna actually turn Texas blue eventually if migration keeps trending that way. Because fundamentally racism and christianity are less enticing to the petit-bourgeois corporate professional class, and that's all the GOP has.
>>2551596amerca last, israel last, humanity first, you are a nationalist robot who speaks in twitter screenshots
>>2551620I don't really believe in that shit I just push it to split the US from Israel so both can finally be destroyed.
It seems to be the winning play in US politics right now so I'm not gonna miss an opportunity to radicalize people.
>>2551615That's definitely happening, but rather it being an unspoken strategy I think it's more just the natural consequence of the north being expensive and bureaucratic while the south is business friendly with cheap labor and living
>>2551615I think this is more a temporary strategy of providing a tax haven to protect their wealth and of taking advantage of rural people than of changing the political landscape long term.
>>2551621
The powers that be are not a monolith and are quite divided over the treat question. Stop posting like a moron.
>Ted Cruz, shaking his head, said it was a wake-up call. “Last night should be a warning sign. It should be a warning sign to Republicans across this country,” he said. “The left, they’re energized. They’re angry. Democrats are outraising Republicans right now, three to one, four to one. It is dangerous.”
>>2551629
stop spamming isg without commentary you fucking loser
>>2551537>Some staffers defended Roberts and pushed back against his critics. One wanted to know what would happen to those who agreed with Roberts and Carlson, and another likened employees talking to reporters to “Judas.” Roberts’s speechwriter, Evan Myers, suggested that Heritage’s attempts to address accusations of antisemitism would eventually mean he would be required to attend a Shabbat dinner, which he said would conflict with his faith.
>Another Heritage executive shot back, “I’m deeply sorry that you could not see that as a generous offer but rather a personal attack on you.”>>2551630get a grip
>>2551547i wish there were more in texas
>>2551117she makes me think of carrie in homeland
>>2551701DARK WOKE IS BACK AND I THINK ITS FUNNY
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