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>>2550144Remember to filter mass tor baiters, feds, and trolls
Not reporting is bourgeois
Violators will be launched from trebuchet
honkoid status?
>>2551634
Anxiety? Turn off fox and take the kid's phone away. Holy shit, a mayor can only do so much. There won't be sharia law or Marxism, the demagoguery is making them anxious.
Mamdami isn't even a real person. He's an avatar created by the Jews to mock simple-minded Italian-Americans like Cuomo and Sliwa when they mispronounce his name as "Momdommy." Wake up!!
>>2551662
>And people wonder why the few actual communists in America are turning to Nick Fuentes!
Bait?
>>2551662
>a bunch of trust fund kiddies, overqualified university graduates, and pmc radlibs
i say this completely unironically: this radicalized part of the labor aristocracy is going to fucking crush the petty booj MAGAtards in a political mashup, it's not even a contest
>>2551669>the petit-bourgeois will side with the politician that promises to protect their reservesNo shit.
>>2551673It's literally one guy.
>socdem mayorAt least you don't pretend he's le epic socialist.
>>2551674Trump is the one promising to protect the petit bourgeoisie. He's just bad at it lol.
>>2551673>the FUD glowuyghurs<just one idiot from a plain IPyou are stupid
>>2551675trump is clearly on the side of the haute bourgeois lol while mamdani is the one helping the middle class from proletarianizing
>>2551660 >>2551662
Kill yourself faggot shill.
>>2551675Even the most right-wing media outlet has put out articles about how Trump is fucking over small biz.
>>2551640>a mayor can only do so muchI hate the cope that "he's hiding his power level" because hiding his beliefs is way worse. He's then just lying and entangling communism with the most crass of bourgeois politics.
>>2551676>while mamdani is the one helping the middle class from proletarianizing kys indifferentist
>>2551682>indifferentistThis retard is just saying random words at this point and seeing what sticks.
>>2551683hasn't read the theory award
>>2551682>>2551684>assert social democracy has nothing to do with communism<you are a "nihilist"/"indifferentist"Jesus christ you are fucking braindead.
>>2551685Trying so hard to be le epic "leninist" while defending bourgeois politics, lmfao.
>>2551682>>2551685>>2551686the appeals to lenin are so funny and ridiculous bc the bolsheviks never had a majority in support of the program
>>2551686 “The working class must not constitute itself a political party; it must not, under any pretext, engage in political action, for to combat the state is to recognize the state: and this is contrary to eternal principles. Workers must not go on strike; for to struggle to increase one's wages or to prevent their decrease is like recognizing wages: and this is contrary to the eternal principles of the emancipation of the working class!
“If in the political struggle against the bourgeois state the workers succeed only in extracting concessions, then they are guilty of compromise; and this is contrary to eternal principles. All peaceful movements, such as those in which English and American workers have the bad habit of engaging, are therefore to be despised. Workers must not struggle to establish a legal limit to the working day, because this is to compromise with the masters, who can then only exploit them for ten or twelve hours, instead of fourteen or sixteen. They must not even exert themselves in order legally to prohibit the employment in factories of children under the age of ten, because by such means they do not bring to an end the exploitation of children over ten: they thus commit a new compromise, which stains the purity of the eternal principles.
>>2551688>indifferentism is a reference to leninhasn't read the theory award
>>2551691>But nothing is helped by condemning Mamdani outright, just as much as nothing is helped by assuming he's going to bring about some socialist paradigm shift by himselfWrong. He called Hamas war criminals. The proletarian has every right to condemn their mortal enemy
>>2551693this uygha learned a new word and thinks thats enough of an argument for communists to back regular petty bourgeois demands that overlap every member of society as an individual in bourgeois society 💔
>>2551691nobodys "condemning" anything why is it controversial to say a random bourgeois politician is irrelevant to the proletariat loll
>>2551691good and nuanced take
>>2551695all i'm seeing here is cope
>>2551688relevant how exactly
>>2551691>>2551697not really bc its still radlib shit about democracy and caring about the majority opinion
the majority is an appeal to society, to the masses, the people. not the class, hence the wishy washy pb demands around democracy and rent, demands all stem bourgeois society where everyone meets each other as a commodity owner
>>2551695>communists to back regular petty bourgeois demandsI think you might just be restarted
>>2551698even dumber and vaguer buzzword that still doesnt refute he has no working class politics, just nothing but demands in the realm of transactions and prices
>>2551702calling others retarded when you dont understand what communism or social democracy even are 💔
>>2551705just read the theory breh it's obvious you've got nothing
>>2551705pseud phoneposter begone
>>2551706again, posting this shit is so funny when the bolsheviks never had a majority in support of the program
>>2551688 the bolsheviks won soviet elections in moscow and petrograd in september, you lie
mfw >tfw you voted for Mamdani but still agree with both sides of this debate
feels good man
>>2551711can we put this guy in charge of pest control
>>2551706"Backward elements" of the proletariat, not of non-proletarians, fucktard.
>>2551714>some shit about class struggle with peasants who don't exist anymoreappeal to majority rule in modern america is appeal to proletarian rule as proletarians are the majority class
>>2551714you really thought this was a good argument
>>2551691>Ziohran can call Hamas war criminals but the proletarian cannot condemn himSocial fascism par excellence
Turn the bourgeoise into nutraloaf I say
>>2551654I think AOC and Zohran is the first step to making a third party. Considering massive frictions within the Democratic party leaders and their presence in it. Dirty Break sounds more and more likely.
>>2551691Yeah this.
The whole bellyaching shit about muh labor aristocracy is missing the fact that the average westoid is blissfully unaware of geopolitics and the economics of imperialism, both of which are necessary prerequisites for having a "treatlerite" consciousness.
All Mamdani and people like him mean to the average person is "let's actually have a society that fulfills basic functions and takes care of people instead of one that bleeds them dry." I can understand and sympathize to a degree with the sort of doomerism and cope that comes from the USSR ultimately failing, this idea that we should just try again but harder so we don't fall into "revisionism," but that's still a wrong take (a goofy one even) and merely a symptom of unprocessed grief rather than anything resembling sober analysis.
Mamdani is literally just a fucking mayor. He is not going to do anything relevant to national politics other than spectacle/pulpit shit. In that regard he is likely to be a flashpoint for the GOP freaking out about le wokes, or more generally as a national point of propaganda. As communists, we can look at the elections as indicators of what the people's level of consciousness is, and the willingness to elect Mamdani is in that sense a promising sign.
The people spazzing out about him are making a similar fundamental error to what the people they want to criticize are making: Great Man Theory. Mamdani, nor any individual, is not going to usher in socialism. That's not even our job as communists. It's something that only the mass movement of the workers can do. Mamdani in that context is just an indicator of what the workers want and the state of class antagonism in New York City. The reaction to his win is also an indicator for the country as a whole.
>>2551714>>2551721What if instead of fighting each other like this we team up to fight the capitalists? Has anyone thought of this?
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>(Drop Site News) The Senate votes Thursday at 5 p.m. ET on a War Powers Resolution to block an attack on Venezuela with a real chance of passage. Of the 47 Democrats in the Senate caucus, 46 are expected to vote yes (minus John Fetterman). Two Republicans, Lisa Murkowski and Rand Paul, will vote yes, giving supporters 48 votes, three short of the number needed for the resolution to pass. One of those could be Susan Collins, facing re-election. “I need to read the legal opinion that the Office of Legal Counsel did,” she told reporters. “I’ve gone to the classified briefing, as I said, but I’d like to read that opinion.” Her potential opponent Graham Platner has spoken out against the strikes on Venezuela, putting pressure on her vote. Beyond Collins, four Republicans previously voted for a War Powers Resolution (on Yemen) during the first Trump term and haven’t yet said they are a firm “yes” on the war: Todd Young, Jerry Moran, Mike Lee, and Steve Daines. Supporters also think they have a chance at Mike Rounds, James Lankford, and even Senate Leader John Thune.
>>2551740best outcome is if they block this invasion and trump does it anyways
>>2551732>Lenin and the Bolsheviks may have not had majority support when they initially seized control of Russia, but they started off with a lot of support both among the workers and peasants and won over additional support by actually fulfilling people's needsbingo. To give a little context, Lenin's argument for the coup was essentially that the masses were in a state of 'nervous tension', that if they weren't calling for insurrection, the act of insurrection would snap them into focus, and cause them to coalesce around the party.
Lenin's position was that the Bolsheviks could not and should not wait until they were the most popular party in Russia because the very fact of launching the coup was going to make them the most popular party in Russia.
It didn't hurt that the war was extremely unpopular with both the peasants and workers and the Bolsheviks were the only party declaring they would end it. It also didn't hurt that the Germans were on the verge of seizing Petrograd and there was a belief among the people that Kerensky had abandoned red petrograd to the Germans
>>2551740It would be interesting if Trump cucks out on the invasion because of the backlash against his agenda inside the GOP after they got hosed in the elections.
>>2551742>>2551732nooo
You don't get it communism is when the workers suffer. We win workers to the cause by making them suffer! We have to yell and scream about the libs who want to alleviate their suffering and moralize how the workers aren't really workers are we'll shoot them in a real revolution because that's how you build a mass socialist movement :^^^^^^^)
Get used to it
>>2551740>46 are expected to vote yes (minus John Fetterman)This guy is totally fucked on reelection holy fuck what a piece of trash
>>2551754>dies in a plane crash on the way to mee-maws Plane crash president
>>2551744Trump Always Cucks Out
>>2551737>That's not even our job as communists. It's something that only the mass movement of the workers can do.No way. Just like at the polling results. Mamdani won sure, but plenty of people still votes for Cuomo. Leni had it right, the Communist movement has to be lead by committed radicals. The only thing the mass of people can be counted on for is general discontent.
>>2551768>the Communist movement has to be lead by committed radicals.Where are these radicals though?
Leftypol certainly isn't leading anyone. I doubt a single one of you even volunteered for Mamdani or used his campaign to promote Leftism to the masses irl.
>>2551772That's a different issue, and I agree. Political discipline in the western left is lacking. I also agree that you will never find such discipline in Leftypol and to be honest, nowhere in the Internet.
>>2551785RFK always looking like he really has to take shit in these standing around listening to Trump babble videos
zogran has the same dead stare all dems have, people who simp for him are marks
>>2551777did we expect intellect from an actress?
>>2551700>the majority is an appeal to society, to the masses, the people. not the class,the
majority is working class.
>>2551801Things are pretty bad here ngl. Like bad enough that every person I know has been talking about "escape plans" in a half-joking manner for the last few months.
Personally I will be heading to Brazil if shit hits the fan.
>>2551768>>2551772Well I mean, we're communists, we're radicals, Theoretically there's nothing stopping a group of us from getting together and forming a program to lead the masses and promote communism as the solution to society's problems. The only obstacle is our own pessimism and paranoia
>>2551816What if I have no social skills and never leave the house
>>2551819Know your place ACK-man
>>2551819'they accidentally'
yeah. sure.
>>2551816>Theoretically there's nothing stopping a group of us from getting together and forming a program to lead the masses and promote communism as the solution to society's problems.What's stopping (You) from starting it, anon?
>>2551832wow. is that value-added all coming from collected personal data?
https://www.thedailybeast.com/gavin-newsom-steps-in-to-replace-donald-trump-at-major-summit/Newsom going to a major climate change summit that Trump’s boycotting cause “climate change isn’t real”, unironically the Trump admin is leaving a void of leadership that Newsom’s ambitious enough to snatch up. Dude is definitely gonna be the front runner for the 2028 Dem primary barring a catastrophic embarrassment.
Yknow I heard once that there’s this supposed trend in American politics where one President gets the reform ball rolling and it’s the President of another party that kind of perfects it or defines the terms of it. Honestly I could see Newsom just embracing all the executive power that’s been centralized in Trump. Maybe doing some “I’ll punish the Right” kind of campaign.
The California Imperivm is coming. National guards occupying Texas soon. Trust the plan.
>>2551847The west has fallen
>>2551846i saw newsom speak about prop 50 winning and chuds getting BLOWN THE FUCK OUT 2-to-1 in the voting and he was as dry and lifeless as any democrap. he should really get some coaching or something if he wants to be blue trump
>>2551754most of his second term so far has been running damage control over social media
>>2551842Executive disfunction, schoolwork, depression. But if enough people are interested we could easily make some Matrix chat where we come up with actual strategies free from the shitposting and doomsaying that usually plagues this board. We could do it Saturday evening if that works for people
>>2551855I’m thinking less “Blue Trump” and more a potentially more cunning Macron. Like he might try to summon some amount of populism but I think his real strength would be finding a balance between authoritarian executive powers and giving enough to people to keep them satiated. Like California is gonna be producing its own insulin from what I understand to make it cheaper, he can probably leverage little perks like that nationally and combine it with some amount of authoritarian flexing (justified by “we’re giving the Republicans a taste of their own medicine”) to calcify the strong executive that Trump accelerated.
>>2551798fuck
we had a nigerian comrade posting on leftypol recently during the big protests, hope he might give some explanations of why the us suddenly want to fuck with them
>>2551785>>2551847>Ozempic exec has a heart attack on TV while Trump is signing a deal with them>Novo-nordisk stock price crashes Lol when does it come out that Ozempic secretly causes heart attacks or some shit
>>2551878trump hates looking weak. i know he's pissed
>>2551884>tear down the great wall of chinai was caught off guard with that 😅
>>2551865Conservatives figuratively exist in Fox News land. Like we’re not talking about just a difference of opinion now but an alternatively constructed reality. There were some preachers talking about how their congregations have been thoroughly propagandized to the point that they’re calling Jesus a libtard and one of them said “well we get these guys once a week for an hour, then they go home and watch Fox or OAN all day for the rest of the week.”
They’re convinced that Mamdani is an enemy they have to stop. Doesn’t matter if he’s running for mayor of NYC and they’re not even in New York State. The world shrinks, the logic breaks down. They live in a world where “there’s a sea of red and only a couple blue islands” as though land votes. NYC might as well be next door as far as they’re concerned.
Like during the War on Terror you had small towns in flyover country convinced that the Taliban were coming for them. You have towns that genuinely believe that armies of ANTIFA are gonna be bussed from “the cities” to destroy their towns.
>>2551893
>I can't imagine an entire part of men's lives being taken from them (romantic, sexual, dating life) will bode well for the accelerating collapse.
houdini experiencing the incel blackpill in realtime
>>2551868That's fair. The personal circumstances of many anons here are probably similar to yours, in all honesty. Not a bad thing, but it helps explain why it's difficult to get collaborative action off the conceptualization stage.
Despite that, I will support any and all attempts for anons here to get organized and get actual work done, in any way we possibly can… so it's worth a shot. What's the worst that could happen?
>>2551893
Don’t forget to donate to my pornography studio
>>2551893Jesus man I’m sorry to hear you’re dealing with that. It’s only getting worse for a lot of young dudes out there. I’m hearing some sociologists saying we’re moving toward nearly a million young men not being employed or in education.
>>2551899Probably one of the weirder moments for me as a kid was being educated on Catholic Social Teaching and then seeing some prosperity gospel shit. Like it was a bizarre inversion. We had teachers talking about how it’s immoral for CEOs to fire people en masse rather than cut their own salary to save jobs and then it’s like “if you give this preacher $500 you’ll get $5000 from THE LORD!”
Anyways in the case of the article it was stuff like the sermon on the mount and turning the other cheek and when their congregation complained they were liberals and the pastors said it was literally Jesus’ teachings; their response was to claim “it doesn’t work anymore”
>>2551878A truly great photo
>>2551851so hecking quirky
>>2551900You know what, I'm gonna do it. I'll get things organized with some of the folks already on the Leftypol Matrix server and I'll come back to y'all tomorrow to let you know the specifics. We're going to bring communism to America or die trying
>>2551754Second Term Trump has been one long crash out
>>2551928Are we splitting up, as is tradition? Or are we staying here on Leftypol?
>>2551939I see no reason why we need to split up
>>2551942I hate /pol/tards and they will inevitably try to shit things up.
>>2551874>Novo-nordiskthis was the deal allegedly it would bring down drug prices?
lmao.
imagine if big pharma poisoned him.
>>2551734>hundreds of thousands dead in Gaza and more every day*crickets*
>34 sailors bombed over 50 years agoNO! NO NO NO! THOSE BASTARDS MUST PAY!
>>2551952[Ministry of Truth Approval Stamp]
>>2551994If business interests were truly superior to those of the state they would've already stopped him from buying U.S steel. The rubicon was already crossed and seems like Novo nordisk is next
what is new in the free world
Muh HECKIN Soros!!!!
Meanwhile Trump's chief finance guy was Soros bitch for decades
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Bessent>>2551996Maybe, he has certainly gotten away with some interesting things. I do think he can only piss on their shoes so many times before it's too much. Part of me suspects they were behind the Butler attempt.
>>2551996they only oblige him because they think he will do away with democracy. if bernie tried that shit he'd have been jfk'd
>>2551939Why not both? You can use leftypol and a chatroom at the same time.
>>2551878he was vaxxxxxxxxxxxxed
>>2551846Been thinking about joining my states national guard here in Illinois. I saw an interview of a bunch of guardsmen here saying they’ll resist any orders being federalized. Maybe I can get my house back in Texas during the liberation of the Texas triangle.
>>2552019like a CEO cares about anything beyond his wallet 😂
>>2551893
Well at least you got to date and have sex at some point before all this shit happened to you.
>>2551768The revolutions of the 20th century become corrupted exactly because they relied on a small handful to move ahead of the general sentiment, which gave them carte blanche to do whatever they wanted. And now capitalism is more powerful than ever and we're even further away from socialism than we were in 1917. "Scientific" socialism means we look at what works and what doesn't and modify our strategy/tactics accordingly, not just blindly do the same thing over and over expecting different results.
>>2551846American Caligula Newsom INC?
>>2551893
>Literally I just want to work so I can take a chick on a fancy dinner date and take her shopping and get her nails done and all the other expensive shit that's expecedt of you as young man in the dating marketplace
It's just sexist BS anyway, which affects everyone. Women are more likely to have their own house now than men so just have them pay for it. Half the world are women so they must be feeling alienated too.
>>2552071Men should embrace the househusband role
>>2552075We must return to tradition and embrace reverse trap tomboy punk rock marxist gfs who will smash capitalism with sheer size of their muscles.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/prehistoric-women-manual-labor-stronger-athletes-science >>2552080Takes one to know one I guess
>>2551669they failed at that twice already
>>2552071>just have them pay for itDon't think that'll work on the first date until there's a cultural revolution
On the flip side though, I know shit's expensive these days, but is it really necessary to pay more than 50 dollars on a dinner date? I feel like either making some food for the occasion or finding a nice hole in the wall place would be way better.
t. mid 20s guy who has never been on a date
(Although I recognize the motel room houdini lives in probably doesn't have a kitchen)
>>2552080the right is eating itself
>>2552092>Don't think that'll work on the first date until there's a cultural revolutionSexism and its consequences have been a disaster for the human species
>is it really necessary to pay more than 50 dollars on a dinner dateBecause of sexism + capitalist materialism people are brainwashed to "expect" a certain standard of tit-for-tat for romance, turning it into just another scheme to "show off wealth" and enrich corporations rather than actually connect like human beings. Capitalist alienation.
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https://transition2025.com/apply>>2551846can't wait for Newscum to nationalize the homeless death squads
>>2551846Do people in California want independence or nah not really
>>2552105>>2552105Californians want treats
>>2552106I was just going to say that. As a Californian I just generally want more treats
>>2551654I wish this dude would shut the fuck up about anything that isn't Argentina politics.
>>2551654>The decisive factor against us is the twisted leadership of revisionist electoralist social fascist liquidationists.a)
> the State isnt the decisive factor against formation of worker army.b)
a) and b) aren't mutually exclusive, and this the opposite is a dichotomy fallacy.
>>2552111He's right though, and most of "lefty"pol proves it.
>>2552118how many saudis watch mrbeast
>>2552120saudis love westoid slop. WWE did wrestling there once
>>2552119if you want to do electoralism, a third party is not an option. if you want to have a third party it needs to do insurrection to accomplish anything
>>2552123If you want to do electoralism you are objectively not a Communist.
>>2552118I want to REDACTED e-celebs
>>2552126ok and has BE ever supported electoralism?
>>2552125dear chatgpt is it bad if your economy is crashing every month xx Donald Trump
>>2552111Rare W Houdini take
>>2551869I was really hoping that Biden would prove to be the last moment where liberals would be in power. Newscum presidency would be a nightmare scenario.
>>2552111You are chauvinist. You are imperialist who wants to tone police
>>2552125because 90% of GDP growth is porkies moving money around in an overhyped sector (AI) which, even in cases where it is highly useful, isn't very profitable, because it is hungry for natural resources and still requires a lot of human labor to maintain, contrary to popular belief that it simply automates everything.
>>2552129I literally said BE was right
>>2551947did the deal fall through?
>>2552111Tell me how spoiledburrito is wrong in this particular instance
>>2552115The liberal's attempt to use bourgeois formal logic against the science of dialectical materialism is futile. The liberal commits the very fallacy they accuse me of, for never was it stated that A and B were mutually exclusive. The two statements are two aspects of the same revolutionary truth, describing the relationship between the OBJECTIVE and SUBJECTIVE factors in the class struggle. By trying to pit these two statements against each other, the liberal is the one creating false dichotomy to espouse liquidationism.
>>2552086Yeah if you don't vote democrat then they kick you out.
>>2552111>Argentina politics.in the globalized world US politics extends into the politics of every other country in case you didnt know, the US just bailed out Milei
whenever I open /USApol/ as a non-burger:
>it can't get worse, can it?!
<it got worse
>this is normal in burgerland
>>2552126Wrong lol, Electoralism with a communist party was advocated by Marx, Lenin, Gramsci, etc.
>>2552149yeah so if you want to do elecoralism in burgerville you have to take over the democratic party
we're playing on hard mode in this country
>>2551711based cat powers
weaponized pussy
>>2552151trvth svper nova
>>2551819All very good things. I really REALLY hope Mamdani was just pretending to be zionist for this election
>>2551893
>the social contract
it's not a thing, it has never been a real thing, it has always been a bourgeois political theoretical construct without real historical evidence, you free loading, useless, jobless, begging mother fucker
I'm a prole doing hard ass labour and I've read 10x more theory than you did.
kys
literally, kys, you leech
>Nov 6 (Reuters) - The Supreme Court on Thursday allowed Donald Trump's administration to bar applicants for U.S. passports from designating the sex reflecting their gender identities on the document, part of the Republican president's crackdown on the rights of transgender Americans.
>The court granted the Justice Department's request to lift a judge's order that had blocked the policy requiring passports to correspond only to a person's sex assigned at birth, while a class action lawsuit challenging the administration's action plays out.
>>2552154Jimmy is going to be proven right once again.
>Hassan: pro-Mamdami>Chapo: pro-MagdamngiJimmy is calling BS on Mungdoomi because he's a fucking opportunist "socdem," and he will be proven right in a few months.
>>2552161Hope your kids grow up to be school shooter incels, faggot
>>2552152>if you want to do elecoralism in burgerville you have to take over the democratic partynope, you have to destroy the bourgeois duopoly
>we're playing on hard mode in this countrythe most armed working class in human history is not playing on hard mode. They are just really bad at organizing. Hard mode is trying to have a revolution in a country where the US government is applying sanctions, dropping bombs, carrying out coups, etc.
>>2552170Post more screenshots. I do not care that I live rent free in your head. Want to sit in the chair when I fuck your chick too?
>>2552170unironically saying
>playing my rolelmao
>>2552168"destroying the bourgeois duopoly" cannot be done through electoralism
>>2552172lumpen sex cult leader with e-beggar characteristics
>>2552161>it's not a thingit is. Marx acknowledges and agrees on various points. he just discerns some stuff in which Rousseau failed to grasp the importance of economics.
>>2552184ok but i said
>if you want to do elecoralism in burgerville you have to take over the democratic partyso your response was a non sequitur
The mods are doing a disservice to this community by not insta-banning and filtering all and every Huodini posts. The guy is a proven idiot and a leech. He keeps asking money from workers and then he gets it. How is this fucking "normal?"
If the mods could be taken seriously, they would ban the shit out of this goblin.
>>2552186no one is putting a gun to your head making you donate money to him and filtering exists. stop crying to the mods like a faggot because you don't know how to use the site.
>>2552180Lord knows he would have been sentenced to death if he threw a burger
>>2552186make them ban all TWists first
>He keeps asking money from workers and then he gets it. How is this fucking "normal?"
In America this is normal. Look up "Food Stamps"
>>2552163You benefit from imperialism. Marx said it, Engels said it, Lenin said it.
Can you touch grass already?
>>2552191sorry sir, i will not support the upcoming war with venezuela despite all your convincing
>>2552167Will you actually address the fact that the so-called "social contract" has never been a real thing? You know, you are being asked to address the fact that you are using literal bourgeois fantasy shit. Can you react, please?
You are being proven to be a booklet pseud, like the gibsmedat leech faggot labour lumpen-aristocrat you are, and all you can say is "no, u!"
You are literally a canver.
>>2552167completely normal response
PLEASE SEND THIS PERSON $20 MORE WHEN HE BEGS FOR IT, LEFTYPOL/USA/! >>2552196bruh its only argument is that it wants more school shootings. don't take it seriously
>>2552198he needs at least $400 bucks for his next dinner date, and maybe a couple hundo more so he can sell workers fent or something
>>2552201we enjoy milking our lolcows
I work in logistics.
I make sure that the right shops get the right products so that you can consooom them.
I burn 3000+ calories every day because I work in a freezer warehouse + doing physical labour.
You could send me some fucking money, you imperial-core faggots, and I will spend it on building communism.
Instead, you idiotic and ethically disgusting faggots send money to this jobless hobo Huidini.
What the actual fuck?
>>2552203/USApol/ is serious bizness
>>2552206you never asked faggot
>>2552183Where does Marx & Engels talk about the theoretical construct "Social Contract" in an unironic way?
You fucking scumbag liar, idiot, faggot, moron?
>>2552203I feel like any "left-com" anon is a lolcow, or any chuds that find their way here
>>2552187>no one is putting a gun to your head making you donate money to himLet me translate from Goblin Individualist Cancer Language to human:
<This is what is normal to us, subhumans. We like it this way. We don't know anything else. >>2551711I love this dude so much
>>2552206i have never given a single dime to houdini, and I doubt most of us do. he just e-begs on multiple sites.
>>2552187Begging is against the rules
>>2551711this is beat for beat like a comedy skit moment, but completely raw and real
>>2552194>Marx, Engels, Lenin – all were FEDSyou are like 3 layers above reality, dude
>>2552221He emits a pure proletarian energy.
>>2552200please assume your nametag when responding to criticism, Huidinieie
>>2552219>go to rules page>CTRL+F "begging">0 resultsbro is straight up lying
>>2552207by serious bizness you mean somehow even worse than /isg/
>>2552209And I never will, you drooling maggot.
>>2552229you just did loser
>>2552218enjoy your pomo individualist nightmare
>>2552226decades of anticommunist red scare bullshit has eroded the subjective forces to such an extreme degree that the US left is basically split between mostly normal people with good intentions but no understanding of communism beyond vibes and then weird deranged fucks like the types of people who post in /USApol/ who think Hoxhaism is applicable to the conditions of the US today or some shit like that.
>>2552232okay <3 yay
>>2552228<yes, I know we are parasites feeding upon the rest of the world, but since Marx didn't call out my 21st Century variety of parasitism I'm free to go"k"
>>2552237>i'm an anticommunist and marx would have scoffed at me "k"
>>2552167gross, adding houdini to the filter
>>2552225Rule 14f. Begging is low quality. Houdini break many rules. He attacks bad empanada and then crashes out before begging again and again. This is sectarian and such.
>>2552210In
On the Jewish Question he discerns the following:
<Therefore, Rousseau correctly described the abstract idea of political man as follows:
>“Whoever dares undertake to establish a people’s institutions must feel himself capable of changing, as it were, human nature, of transforming each individual, who by himself is a complete and solitary whole, into a part of a larger whole, from which, in a sense, the individual receives his life and his being, of substituting a limited and mental existence for the physical and independent existence. He has to take from man his own powers, and give him in exchange alien powers which he cannot employ without the help of other men.”
<All emancipation is a reduction of the human world and relationships to man himself.>Political emancipation is the reduction of man, on the one hand, to a member of civil society, to an egoistic, independent individual, and, on the other hand, to a citizen, a juridical person.besides agreeing with Rousseau on how to identify the contractual conception of citizen, he highlights the differences immediately.
there, he agrees partly with Rousseau, emancipation occurs. now, in the context of
On the Jewish Question, Marx discern the emancipation in a way that he establishes that
political emancipation matters, but also it's economic emancipation that makes people free.
generally speaking, the
emancipation that sees Marx, is not obtained through a mere 'legal item', that's all. thus, by mere accident, he sets up a new form of
social contract not achieved by the means of simple concealing laws, but by the economic structures.
>>2552242BadEmpanada is a much bigger faggot lolcow than houdini
>>2552240>calling out the labour aristocracy (as identified by Marx, Engels, and Lenin) makes you an "anti-communist"Very interesting theory, anon. Care to elaborate?
>>2552255>posting a meme saying a large segment of the global proletariat "are the problem" is not anticommunistVery interesting theory, anon. Care to elaborate?
>>2552251>HERE, LET ME SHOW YOU THAT MARX AND ENGELS BOUGHT INTO THE BOURGEOIS THEORY SPOOK OF SO CALLED "SOCIAL CONTRACT"<can't show nothing<GOTCHADude, you must suck in your own eyes as well.
>>2552253spoiledburrito is annoying but he is at least 60% correct about america
way too many burgers just want american imperialism to benefit the burger population instead of the bourgeoisie or israel. they don't want to bring an end to american imperialism, either because they think it's good, or their head is so far up their ass they don't even know about it.
>>2552253The crimes of BadEmpanada:
Being right
>>2552259You are wilfully blind to the realities of the world and pretending-to-be-retarded "calling me out" on calling you out.
IT IS A FACT that neither Engels nor Marx nor Lenin ever used the bourgeois "social contract" theory.
They were better than that.
The fact that you need to go back to this fucking theoretical ersatz, this spook, is already telling, but then you feel the need to attribute this bourgeois hogwash to fucking MEL.
Like, lol.
are you for real?
>>2552253He is more right than he is wrong though. Still a zigger in cope?
>>2552268i'm not the guy arguing about social contract
>>2552253factually correct
>>2552273ok but why are you saying "they are the problem"? capitalism is the problem
>>2552269>ziggerweird thing to call someone if you're against American imperialism
i'm reading about labor aristocracy and it seems like the term wasn't really used until lenin
>>2552275Capitalism is truly global as of now. Capitalism built a global system where there are losers and winners. You live in the country that as of now is the number one winner of this situation.
…and you ask me: "k, why single me out?!"
Bitch, I didn't single you out, the world did.
>>2552236>decades of anticommunist red scare bullshit has eroded the subjective forces to such an extreme degree that the US left is basically split between mostly normal people with good intentions but no understanding of communism beyond vibes and then weird deranged fucks like the types of people who post in /USApol/ who think Hoxhaism is applicable to the conditions of the US today or some shit like that.Unironically heard the
>"It's like Communism, it works great in theory but bad in practice"line twice at work. Often in ways unrelated to politics.
Had a customer tell me that "the only people who drink hard seltzer are Communists" (bit my tongue before I could say "I prefer Modelo myself") and "communist" is often just used as a shorthand for "authoritarian". Lord knows I've seen some lib family-friends call Trump a Communist. Had my mom point to MAGA types bowing to a golden idol of Trump as "proof" he's a Communist.
This is why I think its important to actually focus on things like messaging and rhetoric and all these superstructural or subjective qualities that are often lacking in Left Wing groups.
I use Christianity as a metaphor for Leftism a lot, I know, but to me it's like how you'll get these extremely lazy Christians in the U.S. who'll have what amounts to a homegrown, individualized religion that they call "Christianity"; one example I remember is a theologian saying he was talking with a female friend of his and learned she divorced her husband "because God gave me approval." He asked what she meant, and she said she flipped through the Bible until she found a line that said something like "Cast the old man out."
Then on the other end you'll get these psychotic cults which attempt to "live their faith" by rigidly adhering to select scriptural analysis and invoking the sacredness of dogma, but are themselves a modern innovation masquerading as "fundamental" Christianity.
Both ultimately detach themselves from the social environment they find themselves in. One through often self-serving individualism and the other through psychotic detachment. The sole righteous men in a fallen world. One totally lacks a plan for imposing their views on the world, the other has isolated itself so much it simply can't impose its views (though it wants to).
>>2552128The hell is that pic?
Anyways I think Newsom more than anyone currently running understands a kind of libidinal desire in the Democratic Party's base to inflict pain on Trump and the Republicans. And everything from his mocking tweets to cucking Trump at geopolitical events are designed to appeal to that desire.
>>2552062>American Caligula Newsom INC?Honestly I'd say Newsom would maybe be closer to a Constantine than a Caligula. Trump's more of a Nero. But regardless I think Newsom might have some broad competence but it's "competence" in a liberal framing.
>>2552106I've heard a lot of people just publicly say we should stop paying taxes. There's been more talk lately about how we're one of the largest economies in the world. Newsom kind of toyed with California as an independent nation, or at least the lingo of it, during covid. There's a CalExit movement but I don't think they got enough petition signatures to get a referendum on independence on the ballot.
Regardless, there's a growing sense of "Us" vs "Them" that I think the Trump admin highlights by essentially violating our sovereignty and trying to impose right wing psychosis on the rest of us.
IT'S FUCKING OVER
>>2552278Correction!
You are GOOGLING THE TERM AND REALIZING THAT IT HAS BEEN IN USE FOR A 100 YEARS AND YOU ARE YET TO REALIZE THAT MARX AND ENGELS ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE SAME TOPIC AND CAME UP WITH THE SAME UNDERSTANDING.
Houdini opened a food pantry which is more than most people have done here
>>2552286Hoodeenee fucking called for a meetup and immediately cancelled it because of his "muh" traumas and shit.
You keep sending money to a scam artist.
>>2552280why are you framing a section of the proletariat as THE problem, when there are other problems like the bourgeoisie? if a section of the proletariat is THE problem then it pits the class against itself and destroys solidarity
>>2552264>>2552269I don't really give that much of a shit about BE or any other e-celeb youtuber parasites, but it's like the Pareto principle AKA 80/20 rule: that last 20% (or 40%) is the hardest percent. being steadfastly anti-imperialist should be a priority for US communists because the US has been the dominant empire for the past 70 years or so, and as far as geopolitics goes I think one should always side against empire, but over the past few years I've watched this sort of rhetoric mutate into a completely useless, neurotic kind of self-loathing white third-worldism in the western left that doesn't help the global south nor does it help the real movement in the core. as far as I can tell it's mostly a manifestation of leftists in the core feeling like the situation is hopeless and so they have decided to give up entirely on the possibility of communist organizing in the west and use a pseudo third worldist analysis to justify what is ultimately yet another instance of westerners and especially AmeriKKKans in the post-covid world increasingly falling into varying forms of mass hysteria and psychosis instead of accepting that the world right now and especially in the west and most especially in the US is extremely bleak, but that we are also not powerless. in practice a lot of this also turns into a kind of inversion of imperialism where western leftists think that the global south has the responsibility to make communism happen and fix our problems when from a more principled third world analysis, the only thing the global south has the responsibility to do is act in its own self-interests and become independent from the influence of the west.
and besides this, the best way to aid the global south's struggles for independence from western imperialism as westerners is to organize class struggle within the core, since y'know there's that whole thing that some guy said about imperialism being the highest stage of capitalism.
>>2552273Americans are actually an incredibly small section of the global population, let alone proletariat. You are a chauvinist american exceptionalist
>>2552261nice moving goalpost.
I never said:
>MARX AND ENGELS BOUGHT INTO THE BOURGEOIS THEORY SPOOK OF SO CALLED "SOCIAL CONTRACT"I said something very different, didn't I?
>>25522911) As a Marxist I believe that the motor force of history is the proletariat.
2) This motor force being corrupted by imperialism (basically: being bought) is
the number one obstacle for global communism.3) you are an imperial-core prole crying about "unjustly being singled out" by evil Eastoid barbarians who see you for what you is, nikkgggaa.
>>2552286Hi Houdini. You were begging people here to pay your rent a week after asking people to work for you for free. I doubt you opened anything.
>>2552292>a completely useless, neurotic kind of self-loathing white third-worldism in the western left that doesn't help the global south nor does it help the real movement in the core. i don't hate myself dude. it's just objectively true from my interactions with people here. there's a reason "AMERIKKKA FIRST!!!!!" is becoming popular faster than communism, and it's because a lot of these people in the imperial core love american imperialism as long as it benefits the majority of the population rather than benefiting just the ruling class, or just israel, or whatever other privileged minority. national chauvinism is very powerful still, as is religion. i try to break this down in people by appealing to the idea that humanity must united against climate change or be doomed. i try to appeal to the international proletariat and class struggle, but there are way too many americans who fundamentally still have the temporarily embarassed billionaire hustler grindset where they feel more kinship with jeff fucking bezos than with some working class family in yemen that the US military just killed in a drone strike. That's a problem. It's an uphill battle, and I'm tired of getting lumped in with schizo TWist fedposters when I acknowledge it.
Let me give you a concrete example I saw in another thread:
>the international longshore and warehouse union (ILWU) went on strike, but made an exemption for weapons bound for Israel. So they basically refused to load all cargo onto ships except those deemed as necessary for "national security" (genocide). Noticing this conflict of interest is not to say that workers in the imperial core can't be socialist or that they aren't real workers.This is a problem, right?
>>2552293>We make 5% of world population but we take 95% of value<Y U sInGlE uS oUt, DuDe?!One can only wonder
Felix is cheating on CPUSSYanon with Houdini now?
I can't keep up with this thread's drama.
>>2552300>This motor force being corrupted by imperialism (basically: being bought) is the number one obstacle for global communism.why?
burgers having some treats (bananas from guatemala or whatever) is the NUMBER ONE obstacle to global communism?
really?
>>2552301You are problematic.
You shouldn't question leech.
Accept leech.
Embrace leech.
>>2552303the US population is 5% of the world, but 25% of annual consumption
[1]. your statistic exaggerates. However, you're right that americans do consume more than they produce. This is because of de-industrialization, which was spearheaded by the bourgeoisie in the 70s and 80s. Furthermore, the 10% richest in the USA are responsible for 50% of the spending
[2], so half of that consumption you point out is not being done by the poor multitude, but by a rich minority.
(not the same anon who whined about being singled out, just giving you might thoughts on the matter)
source:
[1]
https://www.re-sources.org/2020/05/online-lesson-material-world-part-1/ [2]
https://www.marketplace.org/story/2025/02/24/higher-income-americans-drive-bigger-share-of-consumer-spending >>2552307>if I downplay the real effects then I'm goldenK bro
>>2552310>just giving you might thought*my thoughts. idk why i typed that
>>2552311apparently anything i say other than "american proles are more of a problem than the global bourgeoisie" is downplaying it
I would LOVE to have an ongoing poll in the /burger/pol threads with this simple question: "is the labour aristocracy real?"
>>2552296Imperialist apologetics. Even the most destitute plebian does in fact benefit from slavery. They may get crumbs nonetheless but such is imperialism and why they are imperialist
>>2552316even if it is real it doesn't justify "unlimited genocide on the west" or retarded shit like that
>>2552314Except you intentionally try to not understand (as the burger you are) that the imperial core proletariat is actively benefitting from this configuration.
>>2552319I agree. I'm a Marxist, and not a pomo-post-ironic-memer.
>>2552292>and besides this, the best way to aid the global south's struggles for independence from western imperialism as westerners is to organize class struggle within the core, since y'know there's that whole thing that some guy said about imperialism being the highest stage of capitalism.Taft-Hartley and the rise of The New Left, I think, kind of oversaw the detachment of anything resembling a "Vanguard" from the wider masses. Of course some of them had romantic notions of being Guerillas (though Guerillas
without mass support, something that's doomed to failure) who would "bring the war home", many more became fascinated with the perceived "foreign-ness" of various ideologies, seeing them as a strike against the society they've come to detach themselves from while in reality being built via ressentiment (as in, reflection of sentiment) of that society. It inverts the values not through "objective analysis" like it claims, but because it seeks to create a kind of antichrist to the perceived values of that society.
This isn't limited to Leftism though. Consider the brief trend of "White Shariah" on the far-right. It was some scattered white nationalists supposedly embracing Islam, but they weren't truly becoming Muslims. Rather they despised what they saw as the overly permissive and liberal culture of America or Europe and they had a conception of Islam as more or less a violent, strong, and rigidly conservative "opposite" to that effete western culture. The American Rightists who embrace "Traditionalist Catholicism" do so to run from the dingy little rural churches of their homeland, with idiot preachers giving hackneyed sermons on how bananas prove evolution is fake: they're deeply embarrassed by the aesthetic "stupidity" or "commonness" of Protestantism and want to escape to the "intellectual" and ritualized aesthetics of Catholicism.
Ideologies built on reflecting existing society and inverting its apparent value-system never truly gain steam because they don't exist for themselves. They exist as mere reflections. The man who becomes a Muslim because he despises "liberalism" and the person who becomes a self-loathing Third-Worldist does it because they despise "whiteness" for lack of a better term. Take the liberal would-be compradors of, for example, China, and really they talk the same way as an American Third Worldist talks about America. While the Third Worldist will gleefully fantasize about balkanizing the U.S. and perhaps various "decolonial" efforts that functionally wipe their country off the map, the liberal compradors within China (or exiled from it) fantasize "Oh if only the British conquered the mainland" and imagine a million little nation-states carved out of "their" country.
>>2552320do you live in america?
are you aware that it's hard to live here and many people here hate the capitalists?
do you think maybe we could find some common ground with third world nations?
>>2552319>even if it [labour aristocracy] is realkek
>>2552325Your "hard" is "just an average day" where I'm from, dude.
Like, I don't want to downplay the effects emenating from the bourgeoisie or the landlord class effecting the burger prolesy but you still – objectively – have ut better than the rest of usy you moron.
>>2552327Labour aristocracy is real. You are it.
>>2552328do you want us to acknowledge how tough a guy you are for putting up with your daily life? would that fix your booboo? what do you want?
>>2552329i believe labor aristocracy is real, i just dont' think it extends to the citizenry of entire countries
>>2552330The "hardships" you experience as a burger prole are like a thousand times easier than we have them in the Global South. Yes, I want you to understand and acknowledge this fact. No, that doesn't make me a thirld worldist or whatever.
>>2552331You literally buy foodstuffs cheaper because of the Empire which dominates the world economy. You literally benefity whether you accept this fact or not.
>>2552310>the US population is 5% of the world, but 25% of annual consumptionthat's a bit misleading because the majority of our consumption is buying from our highly inflated domestic service economy like healthcare, education, financial services, rent, and insurance. our overpriced healthcare alone is about 17–18% of U.S. GDP
same with spending on university education which counts as consumption. in countries like Germany, France, or Sweden, where public universities are free or low-cost, those same services are provided by the government, so they show up as government spending, not consumer spending.
>>2552329>>2552331TELL ME THERES NO LABOR ARISTOCRACY
TELL ME THERES NO LABOR ARISTOCRACY
TELL ME THERES NO LABOR ARISTOCRACY
>>2552333>he's doing his "in my day we walked uphill both ways to school" spiel againnobody fucking cares dude, the only thing that matters is what you propose to do about it. the solution proposed in your stupid TWist meme seems to be "treat first world proles as bitter enemies", which is retarded and anti-marxist
>>2552337>that's a bit misleading because the majority of our consumption is buying from our highly inflated domestic service economy like healthcare, education, financial services, rent, and insurance. our overpriced healthcare alone is about 17–18% of U.S. GDPwell yes, that actually contributes to the subsequent point I made about 50% of the spending being done by the rich anyway. so yeah. it's like 50% of the spending is done by the rich on luxury shit, and then the other 50% is yes, stuff like poor people paying for overpridced drugs and health care (even overpriced relative to other imperial core countries)
this isn't even getting into the prison slavery, etc.
>>2552333>assuming people don’t understand that poor countries are poor because you want to scream for validationPeople wouldn’t be communists in this thread if they didn’t understand how bad it can get. You’re just making up a guy to be mad at so you can have an excuse to be a troll.
AAGGGGGGGGGGH HELP ME I AM A FIRSTOID BUYING GROCERIES AT REDUCED PRICES DUE TO IMPERIALISM (WHICH IS THE ONLY WAY I CAN BUY THEM) I MUST EXPEND MY EXCESS LABOR VALUE IN MAKING MUD PIES TO ATONE FOR MY EXPLOITATION SO I CAN TRULY RELATE TO THE DIFFICULTY OF LIVING IN THE GLOBAL SOUTH FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
>>2552347least hysterical strawman award
>>2552349Leftypol TWists really think people don’t read posts
>>2552286Where is it located?
>>2552296that's not what neoliberalism is.
>>2552352>y-you're a TWist strawman! i definitely saw it!meanwhile, earlier, I said….
>>2552302 (me)
<i try to appeal to the international proletariat and class struggle, but there are way too many americans who fundamentally still have the temporarily embarassed billionaire hustler grindset where they feel more kinship with jeff fucking bezos than with some working class family in yemen that the US military just killed in a drone strike. That's a problem. It's an uphill battle, and I'm tired of getting lumped in with schizo TWist fedposters when I acknowledge it.so much mass tor baiting and so little actual discussion.
>>2552358yeah i find it fascinating how so many anons look at a 1-day market graph and start spamming on here that the bubble popped. there's a serious problem with decreasing literacy, including mathematical literacy.
>>2552337having said that, marx idea is that the working class within society will become alienated to a point that they will overthrow the ruling class, however, that hasn't been the case in the global north where they are still relatively comfortable compare to the global south. if you are working class in the imperial core, you are still by far richer than the working class in the peripherary. the global south is by far more exploited and in much worse conditions when it comes to sanitation, life expectancy, labor rights, access to clean water, healthcare, education, etc. they are aso under the weight of hundreds of years of colonialism, violence, and wealth extraction. so while there is class struggle within the imperial core, the tension between the global south and the global north is the class struggle of class struggles. workers of the global south are the proletariat of proletariats… western elites are the ruling class of the ruling class from the south… the global north continues to their major extraction of resources and surplous wealth from the labor. many global south countries have had violent uprisings to overthrow western sponsored regimes in their countries. meanwhile, the working class in the global has not overthrown their governments that severely exploits the global south. so the mega surplus accruted from the global south by the imperial core is enough to placate the global north working class from being truly alienated along with some capitalism with a human face type of weflare. scandanian countries for instance still ranks very high in happiness in global reports and this includes their working class. some of you from the global north on here might be working class or neets and you're still able to fuck around and play triple a video games, dine out sometime, have an iphone, etc. you're still quelled. this class struggle between the global south and the imperial core is the central contradiction… however i do see china as the vanguard of the global proletariat class…
FUCKING SELL EVERYTHING NOW
jk i know you have nothing to sell
>>2552360Anon, you yourself might be reasonable, but other anons do skullfuck-burger-babies posting in here all the time, and then try to act like it didn’t happen when people understandably get upset.
So yes, being told that someone mocking these people is “strawmanning” is irritating
>>2552358How does that answer my question retard
zohran status?
>>2552369SocDem, so at best he won't do any damage to the image of anti capitalists
the legacy of nancy pelosi
>>2552369perfectioning imperialism
>>2552331>i believe labor aristocracy is real, i just dont' think it extends to the citizenry of entire countriesenjoy your cheap bananas, coffee beans, chocolate, soy beans, and chips brought to you by *magic,* Mr. non-aristocrat
>>2552347>I AM A FIRSTOID BUYING GROCERIES AT REDUCED PRICES DUE TO IMPERIALISM (WHICH IS THE ONLY WAY I CAN BUY THEM)Read:
<Yes, I know I have this global privilege, I know I'm benefiting from IT, but I'm just a good old prole, yah? >>2552365Anti-americanism is beautiful to the leftist. When Spartacus led army against Romans, they chant in battle "death to all roman." They killed the roman babies because they were imperialist oppressors. The plebians (anti-thirdworldists) and their senator (zohran) naturally hated Spartacus (bad empanada.)
>>2552365>Anon, you yourself might be reasonable, but other anons do skullfuck-burger-babies posting in here all the time, and then try to act like it didn’t happen when people understandably get upset.the less thought and effort is put into a post, the more you should ignore it. the more it comes off as fedposting or trolling, the more you should ignore it. yet we see the opposite. the reasonables get no response, and the america first fedposters and TWist fedposters get all the attention, and drown the thread in two-retards-fighting energy. maybe it's a fundamental limitation of the imageboard as a medium. people dunk on lemmy for being radlibs but their moderation is 10x better than both reddit and imageboards.
>>2552118How long until that faggot oil sheik country is as hated as Pissrael. DA JOOZ are 1 thing but I been sick of Saudis for sometime now.
>>2552388>enjoy your cheap bananas, coffee beans, chocolate, soy beans, and chips brought to you by *magic,* Mr. non-aristocratLiving in America is not cheap at all.
First of all you need to eat three full meals a day and a good burger costs I dunno like 10$ (that's not even including fries and a soda). So that three times a day for a full week comes out to like $300. It's near impossible for Americans to live now with how expensive that is.
>>2552362>the first part of the postacknnowledged + reasonable + no comment
>however i do see china as the vanguard of the global proletariat class…notice how it's the middle countries, the 2nd world, China and Russia mainly, who are the most effective at fighting US hegemony, even if it is not always for ideologically pure reasons, or using ideologically pure strategies, even if it's tainted by nationalism or whatever. This is noteworth because the past modes of production were never actually overthrown by the poorest and weakest class, but by the middle class. Slavery wasn't overthrown by slaves. There were suppressed servile revolts, but the slow transition to feudalism was managed by local lords after the collapse of the slaveholding empires of late antiquity. The transition out of feudalism wasn't carried out by the peasants, but by the burghers, i.e. the proto-bourgeoisie. The artisans, the merchants, the guildmasters, etc. who became more economically relevant than the landed aristocracy. I similarly think capitalism will not be overthrown by the 1st world imperial core proletariat, or the peripheral 3rd world proletariat, but by the 2nd world proletariat, i.e. the Chinese and Russian proletariat. People don't like this because of complaints about "ziggers" or whatever, but dialectically this makes sense, and historically, this reflects what happened to previous modes of production, which were overthrown by a middle strata. Marx is correct that it's the proletariat who are the revolutionary class, but it's specifically the middle proletariat. Not the 1st world unionized labor aristocracy, or the 3rd world child proles working in cobalt mines, but the the 2nd world Chinese and Russian proletariat. Call me a "zigger" for this but I think this is just the emerging situation. I don't say it out of chauvinism for those countries in particular, I just think they are uniquely positioned to play this historical role, just like the UK, France, Germany, and America were uniquely positioned to bring about global bourgeois rule.
>>2552337>neurotic kind of self-loathing white third-worldism in the western left global south is already tired of waiting for them, the western working class and left are fucking useless or impotent. the cpc is the vanguard of the global south taking the means of production of the west and building the means of production throughout the global south, creating alternative financial institutions outside of the IMF and World Bank.
cause as long as the exploitative imperial core-peripherary relationship is kept intact, the working class of the global north still benefits from that mega surplus and will not overthrow shit. they're just not alienated enough, they're not poor enough, they're not hungry enough. they haven't done shit for hundreds of years, why would they magically do so now or in the future? the best they can do is muster up some reforms and welfare. however if you break the structural explotiation between global north and global south, then the flow of surplus value that sustains the relative privilege of global north working class would begin to collapse. this could erode the material basis of class compromise in the core and create the conditions under which the working class of the global north will be alienated enough to physically confront the bourgeoisie.
>>2552395saudis and israel and amerikkka are the abrahamikkk theocratikkk triumvirate, and I've been saying that since the 00s
fellas how do we profit off of Zohran's win? I assume the financial industry is panicking to move their money out of NYC or something before january.
>>2552401Well I mean you aint wrong homey. Fedoras are the most vindicated people. Glad I never got on the retarded ass Anti-Fedora train.
>>2552396burger here, i don't eat fast food and i just cook for myself a diet that's mostly vegetables, low in oils, and maybe 5-10% dairy/meat. It's healthy and cheap compared to the SAD (standard americn diet). Burgers really do hate cooking and a lot of us don't know how to do it for some reason. but i save a lot of money by cooking. not malnourshed either as some like to imply when they hear how much vegetables I eat.
>>2552399> Not the 1st world unionized labor aristocracy, or the 3rd world child proles working in cobalt mines, but the the 2nd worldto clarifiy, I think this is specifically because the 1st world proles are too comfy, and the 3rd world proles are too weak, too malnourished, too brutalized by imperialism.
the 2nd world proles are neither too comfy, nor too weak. They're in that goldilocks zone of revolutionary potential.
>>2552402>fellas how do we profit off of Zohran's win? by criticizing him from the left and advocating for moving beyond (merely) electoralism, while still emphasizing the need to build dual power using both legal and illegal tactics, and stressing the need to fight imperialism and expropriate the bourgeoisie?
This tight-knit community was recovering from a cultlike leader. Then measles got in.https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/tight-knit-community-was-recovering-cultlike-leader-measles-got-rcna240592
>HILDALE, Utah — Few people talk about vaccinations here. Not to outsiders, anyway.
>By and large, the people who live in Hildale, as well as in neighboring Colorado City, just across the state border in Arizona, are fiercely private. High walls surround many of the homes to avoid the prying eyes of strangers.
>Measles got in anyway.
>As of Friday, 161 cases had been confirmed in Utah and Arizona, the bulk concentrated right along the border in the twin towns collectively known as Short Creek. Eleven people — eight in Utah and three in Arizona — were hospitalized.
>It's now become the site of the second largest measles outbreak in the U.S. this year, behind the outbreak that extended from West Texas into New Mexico, which sickened at least 862 people and killed three. Two were young girls.
>Vaccination rates have fallen precipitously in both outbreak areas in recent years and, from the outside, the two have similarities. Both outbreaks took hold in communities that are deeply skeptical of government intervention and mainstream medicine. And both outbreaks largely impacted people with strong ties to religious sects: Mennonites in West Texas and (mostly former) members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (FLDS) in Short Creek.
>But the Short Creek community is also grappling with its recent past — one of polygamy, child removal and a cultlike leader now imprisoned for the sexual assault of minors.
>“We had so much trauma,” said Donia Jessop, the mayor of Hildale and a former FLDS member. “Getting kids vaccinated or a booster was not the first thing on our mind.”
>The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints outlawed polygamy more than 100 years ago. Some members, however, continued to believe that multiple wives benefited men in the afterlife and broke away, becoming the FLDS. One of the places where members settled was Short Creek.
>Jessop fondly recalls growing up in the 1970s and ‘80s in the tight-knit community with two moms and scores of brothers, sisters and cousins who were her best friends.
>“I had an ideal childhood,” she said. “I was guaranteed a spanking or a meal from any mom in town, because we were raised like a village.”
>But polygamy was and is illegal. The practice prompted two federal government raids in Short Creek — one in 1953 and another in 2008. Both times, government officials forcibly took children away from their families temporarily in an attempt to determine whether kids were being abused or neglected.
>Children were returned, but the trauma endured. “That made a lot of us FLDS kids very scared of police officers,” said Gloria Steed, who was 14 years old during the 2008 raid. “Afterward, we were extremely hesitant about being told what to do.”
>Steed said her mother was born around the time of the 1953 raid and grew up with anti-government and, in turn, anti-vaccine tendencies. “It really impacted her faith and trust in the systems,” said Steed, who wasn't vaccinated as a child.
>Still, there was never a specific religious mandate against the shots, Jessop said. She was vaccinated as a child. (No major religions expressly oppose vaccinations.)
>Things changed, Jessop and other former FLDS members said, in 2002. That’s the year Warren Jeffs, the now-incarcerated cultlike leader, became their prophet. An FLDS prophet is considered to be the direct voice of God. He often has dozens of wives.
>Briell Decker, Jeffs’ 65th wife, said he spread lies about immunizations.
>He “said that vaccines are bad and have stuff in them that makes it so you can’t have children,” Decker, who has since left the FLDS lifestyle, said. The ability to procreate and have lots and lots of babies is critical to keep the community going, Decker and other former members said.
>Jeffs exerted more control over the Short Creek community than previous prophets, ex-FLDS members said. He took ownership of their land and homes, they said, even reassigning wives and children to different husbands and fathers, breaking apart families and stripping them of the ability to contact one another.
>Jessop, who wasn’t mayor when Jeffs was prophet, also said that Jeffs restricted access to the town’s medical clinics for people he deemed unworthy before shutting the health care system down altogether.
>Jeffs was on the FBI’s Most Wanted List before he was arrested in 2006. He is serving life in prison for sexual assault of minors within the FLDS community.
>Wounds from the Jeffs’ era in Short Creek run deep. The area has had to work to re-establish the basics: running water, schools and a health care system, including routine medical checkups.
>With so much to put back together, making sure kids were caught up on vaccines fell on the list of priorities, Jessop said.
>While there are two medical clinics in Short Creek, businesses touting natural and herbal remedies have emerged as a popular stand-in for medical care.
>At Paty’s Place, a popular health food store in the area, a store employee said some folks had come in to seek advice for treating measles. The store’s owner, Paty LeBaron, did not respond to NBC News’ requests for comment, but wrote on Facebook that she has never “made claims about knowing how to cure measles” and encouraged people “to seek reliable, science-based medical advice from qualified healthcare professionals regarding measles or any other serious health condition.”
>A similar phenomenon was seen in West Texas: In the city of Seminole, parents of children sick with measles flocked to Health 2 U for cod liver oil, an unproven remedy touted by Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
>The Covid pandemic made efforts to get routine health care back up and running even more difficult, said Aaron Hunt, a public health expert with the Utah State University Extension Program.
>“Parents are trying to do what they think is best for their child,” Hunt said, “but since Covid, they’ve been exposed to a lot of misinformation.”
>That makes moms and dads fearful of even rare side effects of vaccines, said Hunt, who works with health care providers across Utah to help them battle vaccine misinformation. (The drop in vaccinations hasn’t just opened the door to measles; whooping cough is also spreading throughout the state.)
>“You want to have honest conversations with people and give them the power to make their own decisions for them and their families,” Hunt said.
>But now that measles is spreading through the Short Creek community, folks appear to be embracing vaccines. Jessop, the Hildale mayor, said there’s been a “sharp rise” in vaccinations since the outbreak began.
>David Heaton, a spokesperson for the Southwest Utah Public Health Department, said the area saw a 14% increase in vaccinations during July through September of this year, compared to the same time period in 2024.
>A spokesperson for the Arizona Department of Health Services, however, said current MMR vaccination rates are on par with 2024.
>The spread of the virus isn’t contained to the Short Creek area. In the past few weeks, measles exposures have also been reported in the Utah towns of St. George and Hurricane. On Wednesday, Salt Lake County public health officials said it had a probable case, but couldn’t confirm it because the person in question refused to be tested.
>Becky Goimarac lives in St. George, about 45 miles from Hildale. Her teenage son was exposed to the virus at a high school cycling event in Park City, Utah, in August. That was the first indication of a measles outbreak in the state.
>“I personally wasn’t concerned because my kids are vaccinated,” Goimarac said. “I was more sad that we even have to worry about any of that kind of stuff.”
>Steed, the former FLDS member who is now 31, remembers being sick with whooping cough and chickenpox as a child. But she still has reservations about the shots meant to prevent those illnesses.
>“I don’t trust the system,” Steed said. “I feel like the doctors are pushing too many vaccines too soon.” The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, along with the American Academy of Pediatrics, maintains that the childhood vaccine schedule is scrupulously researched to offer the most robust protection in the fewest amount of shots.
>Still, Steed allowed her 9-year-old son, Jhonde, to get a few of the shots that she felt were most important so he wouldn’t have to suffer like she did. “I thought that anything I got as a kid, I would be doing my son a favor to get those,” she said. In addition to the chickenpox and whooping cough vaccines, Jhonde got one dose of the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine as a baby. Two doses are recommended for 97% protection.
>When the measles outbreak began in Short Creek in late summer, Steed got the MMR shot because she was on a journey to become a surrogate mother. Measles during pregnancy is a strong risk factor for miscarriage or preterm birth. Jhonde got his second MMR dose the same day, Steed said, based on her trust of local doctors and nurses who also grew up in Short Creek.
>Steed sees firsthand the benefit of MMR vaccines as the outbreak has grown in her community.
>“The vaccines are working. It’s been a blessing to see that,” she said.
>“It really comes down to having doctors and nurses willing to listen to the individual experiences of the patients, instead of always trying to pressure them into something because they think that they’re better or smarter,” Steed said. “The medical field can be a bit like a cult, you know.” >>2552409wait till polio comes back, and burgers need to take a lot of the metals they import from China and put them into building iron lungs again instead of ships
>>2552414It's only a matter of time.
I'm old enough that I had relatives afflicted with polio from before the vaccine eliminated it. My cousin had to walk with a cane because his spine was twisted like a question mark. And he was one of the lucky ones.
>>2552400>global south is already tired of waiting for themLol, yeah, champions of the working class, the leftists of the "global south", which have accomplished so much.
(Here's the part where you point to everything China has accomplished by allying with the US and accuse western leftists of wanting china to do anything to help global communism of "wanting to export the revolution")
>>2552416>My cousin had to walk with a cane because his spine was twisted like a question mark. wait isn't that scoliosis?
>>2552423Yeah, apparently it can result from spinal poliomyelitis.
>>2552426ah shit, didn't know scoliosis was a potential side effect of polio, interesting
>>2552427Yeah, it can really fuck you up. This anti vaccine shit is going to bring back horrors most people haven't dreamed of in years.
>>2552414hopefully it will be brought back from chistian missionaries in nigeria. that would be kino
>>2552300>Eastoid barbariansnobody uttered such a phrase in this entire thread before you
vaccines are such an overwhelming good for the world that I genuinely believe that antivaxxers belong in re-education camps
they are too dangerous to be allowed in public, they want death on a mass scale
>>2552442i've seen schizos on here go as far to say that vaccines are "bourgeois science" and therefore can't be trusted. they'll spam "I HECKING LOVE SCIENCE OH MY SCIENCE" soyjaks at you if you ask for evidence.
>>2552438God how I wish Democrats were as based as Republicans fearmonger them to be.
>>2552432Counterargument: if so many people hadn't died from Covid things would be a lot worse right now.
>>2551711LMAO her reaction at the end, I'm dead
>>2552449That's not what I meant. The political and economic situation during Covid and the government's unwillingness to do anything to help really radicalized a lot of people. The country still hasn't economically recovered from it actually. Covid was like a 2008 recession level event that will probably affect Gen Z/Gen Alpha their entire lives in terms of distrust towards the current political system.
>>2552151>gibsback to /pol/
>>2552450too bad a lot of "distrust" of capitalism is manifesting not in the form of a communist movement of workers, but in a petty bourgeois "Amerikkka First" reactionary movement to RETVRN to some fake golden age that never existed.
>>2552206i would send money to rando communists in the third world
>>2552418Not him but you are a liberal that wants to eat burgers and murder third worlders for fun. You are an idealist who only understands progress by rigid ideological structures rather than a dialectical process that unfolds overtime. A decade of third world national capitalism is worth more than a 100 years of first world imperialist social democracy. History progresses through stages and the third world is still in the transition from feudal structures so capitalism is still progressive. The west by contrast has been living in a state of elevated privliage from imperialism for the past ~250 years, and it has poisoned the mind of every westerner. Until you people are starving in the streets you will do nothing because that is all you are without the empire.
>>2552457Big cope for such little accomplishments
>>2552458Just shut it down forever
>>2552432If they weren't supposed to get polio god would have protected them
>>2552449wasn't the black death notable in how much of the nobility it killed off compared to other diseases?
>>2552467no money for SNAP but we got $200,000,000 for an ugly ballroom
>Ted Cruz: "I think right now the 2 frontrunners for the Democratic nomination in 2028 are AOC and Mamdani. Now, he's not even eligible, but what do they care? Law doesn't mean anything to them. That's where their party is."
>>2552476making up shit in your head to get mad at
>>2552476this guy was born in Canada btw
Oh, in some tangentially related news, CPUSA candidates won elected office recently, too. Yeah they're really small, local positions, but hey, it's a win yeah?
https://peoplesworld.org/article/communist-party-members-run-for-office-strengthening-communities-and-building-coalitions/>>2552464it killed off everyone, but particularly it killed off dense urban populations in port cities because it came from rats on ships, so yes, in that sense, it tended to kill of the nobility who were cloistered in densely populated urban centers or areas with high volumes of trade.
>>2552211anyone with a name or trip is offering themself as a lolcow
>>2552478and he RAN FOR PRESIDENT
>>2552442>>2552443<Western governments and pharma companies shit out a new experimental vaccine without proper human trials because capitalism can't take mass quarantines>OH MY SCIENCE!Unironically China handled the situation better and the Chinese vaccine is more trustworthy.
>>2552497This is why I'm not vaxxed and why I don't wear a mask
>>2552497literally nothing bad happened
>>2552497there's a difference between what you're saying, which is a critique of capitalism, and the anti vaxx schizophrenia which was equally skeptical of all vaccines, and treat vaccines as an evil communist jewish alien klaus schwab WEF new world order plot… do you think I
wanted to take an inadequately tested vaccine? I got the Johnson and Johnson one when they were using the military to distribute it. I did feel like a guinea pig for big pharma. But it was still a better option than the alternative: which was needlessly endangering the elderly and immunocompromised in my family. Literally every vaccine I've ever gotten was produced under capitalism which is still the global mode of production. The skepticism for the covid vaccine specifically in 2021 is a little more reasonable than skepticism for all vaccines, especially proven vaccines like the vaccines for measles, mumps, rubella, and polion, which are now making a comeback because anti-vaxx schizos are retards who hate public health and love needless death.
>>2552500>big pharma bad thefore mask bad toobrainlet
>>2552504You can't trick me
>>2552506religion means nothing and can be twisted to mean anything
>>2552506It's both true and untrue but it's like saying "Christian law upholds social justice, human rights, etc" just because Jesus said so. In practice theocracy is only ever used to oppress people.
There are some things under Sharia that are obviously superior to the West(bans on usury, social responsibility, no recognition of corporations) but Sharia as a system is collectivist in nature and doesn't really guarantee many rights to the individual.
I would be willing to consider the idea of islamic socialism built around sharia, but you'd have to accept that such a society will naturally oppress gays at the very least, and likely women and non-believers as well. It just doesn't seem worth trying unless it's the only option available for achieving socialism in the middle east.
>>2552502Who knows when there was no long term trials? Now if there are any health adverse effects on certain percentage of the poulation several years from now it can be wrongly blamed on something else. It could take decades for us to find out the true health effects. Hopefully it's fine but we do long term trials for a reason.
>>2552504The way COVID was mishandled is what gave antivaxxers a huge shot in the arm. It's rational to be worried about medical malpractice when it clearly happened here. If they just did things right in the first place then these trust issues with the public wouldn't be as bad when it comes to real cures.
>>2552508I know you're joking but masks just stop spit from flying out all over the place. Unless you like it when an ill stranger sneezes and coughs in your face.
>>2552506textbook motte-and-bailey
>>2552467>>2552474I think it's funny that cutting SNAP also fucks over farmers because a quarter of the money goes to agribusiness.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2025/jul/30/francesca-hong/es-about-a-quarter-of-every-dollar-spent-via-snap/Trump has basically kicked the agricultural center of the country three times.
>>2552534With SNAP people buy groceries they otherwise wouldn't have. It's basically a stimulus to grocery stores and food producers.
>>2552538my main point is that he went rather further with deportations than they wanted, then fucked them over with soybeans and beef, now SNAP cuts, this is the most anti-farm admin in a long time.
>>2552538I know this varies by state, but if you eat 300$ a month in groceries as a single person, you are obese treatlerite. The proletarian can get by on 150$ a month with bologna sandwiches, occasional fruit and vegetable, and water.
The riots haven't started yet because a lot of these people have some funds on the snap or fat on their bodies. The bourgeoisie takes this physical reserve into account so the government knows they have two more weeks until the SNAP runs out
>>2552540I have a fetish for women with arab features but I still dont understand the level of mamdani wife posting
honkoid status?
>>2552362>you're still able to fuck around and play triple a video gamesimagine liking triple A expensive dogshit more than well crafted indie games
>>2552362>dine out sometime, have an iphone, etc.third worlders go to restaurants and have smartphones. this is such a weird thing to say in 2025. the palestinians are even livestreaming their own genocide from their smartphones. like i get your point about the privileges of the first worlder but you're picking the stupidest examples sometimes here
>>2552539Oh for sure, though this is the anti-reality administration. Trump gets his reality through the television; shit I think he actually asked out loud "Is what I'm seeing on the TV not real?" after sending troops to Portland.
So we've got a negative feedback loop of Fox or OAN bombarding Trump with a bunch of images of what's happening in the country, and Trump taking those images and distorting them through his own sub-autism score brain, and then Fox having to go even
further than that to do some "Trump is always right" thing.
>>2552549Her eyes and nose give me an erection.
jesus christ
>>2552545>>2552564Being horny over Mamdani's wife is one of the only things we can agree on with right-wingers.
Mods will probably crack down on it if it gets too out of hand tho.
>>2552550settle down. americans already live in post-scarcity. over 75% of them are overweight. Such is why they are not rioting right now and thats all im saying. The government has all this shit calculated so they know how much time they have
>>2552573<americans already live in post-scarcity. over 75% of them are overweight. Such is why they are not rioting right nowYour claim is not based on evidence. High-calorie, low-nutrient food is cheap and readily available, while healthy food and opportunities for physical activity are often more expensive or inaccessible, leading to this paradox that you falsely ascribe to "treatlerite" contentment.
>Post-scarcity is a theoretical economic situation in which most goods can be produced in great abundance with minimal human labor, so that they become available to all very cheaply or even freely.>47.4 million people lived in food-insecure households. https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/food-nutrition-assistance/food-security-in-the-us/key-statistics-graphics>Most Americans don't earn enough to afford basic costs of living … For the bottom 60% of U.S. households, a "minimal quality of life" is out of reach https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cost-of-living-income-quality-of-life/>"In contrast to international trends, people in America who live in the most poverty-dense counties are those most prone to obesity (Fig. 1A). Counties with poverty rates of greater than 35% have obesity rates 145% greater than wealthy counties." https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3198075/>The rise in obesity rates, both nationally and internationally, is a result of changes in the environment that have simultaneously lowered the cost of food production, lowered the time and monetary cost of food consumption, increased the real cost of being physically active at work and at home, and decreased the health consequences that result from obesity by bringing a host of new drugs and devices to the market to better manage the adverse health effects that obesity promotes. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002916523018488 >>2552573>post-scarcity is when fat peopleuygha you need to go read Critique of the Gotha Program
>>2552580reading is for firstie labor aristocrats who aren't being worked to death 24/7 in sweatshops you fucking KKKraKKKer imperialist
>>2552273why are tard worldist so quick to collapse into seething anger?
>>2552586Damn even Scarborough ain't buying it
>>2552603
This guy doesn't even pay Child Support btw
>>2552586Yeah I think a webm would have been the better choice
>every Chapo Trap house episode is about Palestine for months
>every /usa/pol thread is about Palestine
OMFG, I don't care. Yes, fuck Israel, yes, fuck genocide, but I'm a fucking communist, dude.
China is infinitely more important to my ideology than that little strip of land.
>>2552624>ChinaGave me a good laugh anon
>>2552608leave muh burger archives alone
>>2552635>WUDDABOUT CHYNAH!!!!!!!!!!!!burger your government gives israel intelligence. your government saved israel from getting fucked up by Iran earlier this year. your government gives shit to israel FOR FREE in addition to selling them more WEAPONS, particularly EXPLOSIVE AMMUNITION, than any other country on earth, and it's not even close. what is this sad cope deflection. YOUR GOVERNMENT DOES THIS and the best you can do is complain about china having a higher trade volume of
commodities in general. nobody is saying "yes china should trade with israel." we are saying BURGERS COMMIT GENOCIDE and not only are you bitching about having to hear about it, your first instinct is to deflect to other countries you have zero influence over.
>>2552640Don't care for your autism. Free Palestine
>>2552624>Chapo Trap HouseI listened to them until they had an episode about a thing I was actually knowledgable on and realized they've probably done just as bad a job covering the things I didn't know about and thought I was learning about through them.
A bunch of twitter addicted doomers that don't do any research beyond what shows up for them on Elon's digital nazi bar.
>>2552651still better than the entire amerikkkan MSM and most US "left" media when it came to ukraine, seeing as the avoided dickriding azov battalion
>>2552656piss vs shit debate
>>2551681Perhaps, but I don't think it's possible for any politician to be honest. Maybe before pacs and the almighty dollar controlled the minds of voters, but deceptive practices for the sake of power have come to define most all of modern polity. Grass roots efforts then become impossible to maintain, and I'm fairly certain this is by design.
>>2552399Interdasten poast
>>2552624Even the New York mayoral election is about Palestine.
>>2552690It is though. Why did all the other candidates profess their love for Israel?
>>2552690cuz imperialism is the highest stages of capitalism and therefore socialists need to reckon with it to end capitalism
>>2552692> imperialism is the highest stages of capitalismcringe
>>2552458it's not the own you think it is. Trump has always been more comfortable ruling by decree.
"Sovereign is he, who decides on the state of emergency" - Schmitt
>>2552692Imperialism is a facilitator of capitalism. This is why the military is the largest consumer of petrol and all to 'protect' the petrol empire. It's like a form addiction that's spiraling out of control.
>>2552608this is devastating
>>2552651listen to episode 82 where brice belden talks about how he was in syria pissing on dead bodies and calling in american air strikes for the heckin' sydicalist kurds on his ipad one kilometer behind the front
>>2552712based, kill isisoids
>>2552712lmao zased. total islamist death
>>2552726who cares either way. its not like there was a communist faction in the syrian civil war
>>2552728there was an anti colonial faction dickhead
>>2552730you mean anti-imperialist, and no, whoever you think was the anti-imperialist faction wasn't anti-imperialist because imperialism is a condition of capitalism and therefore one cannot be anti-imperialist without also being anti-capitalist. otherwise you're just supporting another imperialist interest
>>2552726Yes, the west created isis since Syria was part of regime change /proxy war and plans for a new oil pipeline. The Kurds were shafted in the end for being too 'socialist'.
>>2552732i meant what i said. also get the fuck out of here with your imperialism pyramid. what are you genuinely eurocommunist or just retarded
>>2552734wat does that have to do w eurocomm
>>2552696it's the export of capital, you can't just tweak policies and reform it away
>>2552736That's part of it. I'm saying it will collapse in on itself.
>>2552735they are revisionists that believe in the imperialism pyramid and won't support national liberation struggles
>>2552736most countries export some kind of capital
>>2552734you're mixing up the insults, when i say this you're supposed to accuse me of being a trot or a leftcom. read a book
>>2552726meds, and i hope they continue to kill isis
>>2552526>What wins in politics nowadays is authenticity from real people.Yeah it seems like spamming brainrot slogans to bots online doesn't work anymore after being extremely effective during COVID
>>2552741eurocomms are way more relevant where i'm at so that's the first insult that came to mind.
>>2552743are you joking? isis/turkey is in power in syria and the ypg is doing jack shit. in fact the pkk gave up their weapons in turkey.
>>2552741also, the pyramid is specifically associated with eurocoms and the kke first and foremost. how about you read a book
>>2552746big shame that happened, it's a shame the alternative to islamism was instead a shitty military dictatorship that sold meth to nearby countries
>>2552740If a country like the US couldn't export capital it would be a mega depression. this is why demsuccs don't deal mentally with imperialism and attack the people who do, because on some level they know that whoever they get elected will not end imperialism, which means the end all be all of their entire project is just capitalism with a better welfare state that alleviates some of their guilt in their relatively well off lives
>>2552747i'm not sure what you're talking about but i don't support the kke or eurocoms and idc what they think, imperialism is a result of competing interests and the expansion of capital, the logical conclusions of the following rule out the possibility of the existence of an anti-imperialist faction in the syrian civil war
>>2552748true. The younger assad is a big letdown for panarabic socialism
>>2552751yeah they just have a total misunderstanding of what the capital specifically does that makes it imperialism in the first place
>>2552751>If a country like the US couldn't export capital it would be a mega depression.It's not like revolutionary socialists would suddenly make that not an issue. If lenin and the bolsheviks took power tomorrow they'd have to continue certain elements of the US economy for years while working to undo this.
>>2552754no. there are local opportunities and compradores but there is only one imperial core. that's why we speak of national liberation struggles. i doesn't matter if the people fighting are monarchists, theocrats, capitalists, whatever. the pflp understands this which is why they are standing shoulder to shoulder with hamas. the belief that imperialism can arise anywhere where there is capitalism ignores the existence of the imperial core. you can't say equador or eritrea are imperialist, just to a lesser extent than the core, that's stupid. But that's what eurocomms think hence i'm gonna call you one until you repent.
So what do you burgers make of the PSL? I've read some criticism about "cultish behavior" but its from the same kind of people that think any kind of demcent is fascist
>>2552763russia and other competing powers to US hegemony are merely trying to form their own imperial bloc, there is no such thing as an "anti-imperialist power" nor is there such a thing as an "anti-imperialist faction" in syria, only a movement attempting to align with a different suite of imperialists
>>2552761no they wouldn't lol
You are just rationalizing because demsuccs will not end imperialism because "then we'd lose re-election!!!" "What about the midterms???". so the slaughter and chauvinism abroad will continue on their watch, their administration would have to work to maintain it, their coalition will collapse. They want to be on an eternal road to a horizon that never arrives doing incremental change but just smarter and better than the other liberals who fucked things up. A better welfare state that alleviates some of their guilt, while imperialism continues. That's all demsuccs can do.
>>2552765>there is no such thing as an "anti-imperialist power"China controls the global economy and hasn't used it to seize a single asset from any country. I think they fit the bill
>>2552766So then they'd just accept having a massive depression which totally wouldn't have any negative consequences for a nascent socialist government?
>>2552768you have to take it on and ride it out, and mobilize people to do so. Sorry, but imperialism will be ended or we can't go forward, never negotiable.
>>2552762I guess somebody's gotta do it but it is tiresome since there's no end to corruption. Maybe that's the point, like the intentional cruelty, to wear down resolve. Who knows?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s88r_q7oufE >>2552769butt status: blasted
>>2552767>anti-imperialism is when you don't seize assets from countrieswhat?
>>2552771Yeah I'm sure that isn't going to have any negative ramifications for counterrevolution and immediately discrediting your government among the working class.
>>2552770that's not being "right of the BBC" that's called reading what you said and rightfully calling you a retard, a hypothetical anti-imperialist power isn't what china is, which is imperialism with a human face, it's actually a power that makes the conditions that creates imperialism impossible, there is nothing like that in this world
>>2552774anti-imperialism is when you give poor nations the privilege of choice between the USA that wants to steal everything and China that wants to build everything, yes
>>2552775Nobody said it'd be easy. Frankly if you think it's "better" or "easier" to try to end imperialism slowly over a course of years (and I really don't think demsuccs ever will) you are suggesting greasing the wheels of progress with other people's blood along the exact same line of chauvinist rationalization that a capitalist uses to exploit them with imperialism in the first place. Being so morally compromised before you've even gotten started really undermines the idea that your preferred method is a serious option at all.
>>2552777so you just want imperialism with a human face then, great to know!
>>2552780>imperialism is when building schools and hospitals for freeungrateful eastern euroid detected
>>2552779>imperialism is a moral judgement of good vs bad, not objective relations that emerge out of conditionsi'll tell you what i mean by "imperialism with a human face", i quite literally mean this sort of arrangement, is this superior to the american arrangement? no doubt about it, but is it actually "anti-imperialist"? no, it's merely a new form of imperialism with the goal of creating a large number of allies in the region while also potentially enriching china, this i call "imperialism with a human face" since it has far more benefits to the average person, but is still not superior to an actual anti-imperialism which dismantles the conditions in which imperialism itself rises out of
>>2552782>imperialism is when making allies in the regionlmaooooooo most sophisticated leftypol analysis
>>2552783yes? you are exporting economic capital to another nation in order to bind it to you, that is quite literally a key element of imperialism, the US did it in europe during the 40s and 50s, they also did it in other nations as well but it's not an uncommon strategy whatsoever
>>2552777sasuga ml-sama. make sure to check the blue team on your ballot come 2026
>>2552778It's the same issue of how it's not a policy we will end with a single stroke.
That said it's not going to continue with mass war issues.
>>2552791well yeah that's the model ICE agent, they're all people with ASPD
>>2552785we already established most countries export some form of capital. India export 80 billion dollars worth of it last year. What makes it 'imperialist' is who owns the capital and where the profits go. American investors typically own all the capital and enter into an unfair agreement which is set up to fail in a way where the profits end up flowing to the west. China is the exact opposite, their contracts are built to succeed, not for profits, and worked in a way to steer the host nation to economic sovereignty. American economic coercion is meant to keep a nation subjugated. Chinese economic cooperation is meant to liberate the imperialized south. It's actually insane to say it's the same thing
>>2552796>It's actually insane to say it's the same thingthis is a nafoid occupied website
>>2552796>their contracts are built to succeed>not for profitscome on uygha. are you foolish enough to think that just because china's strategy doesn't involve blowing up half the world, that means they're not acting in the capitalist system? do yanks think that the only volk capable of capitalism and its consequence, imperialism is americans somehow?
>>2552796i'm not saying it's the same fucking thing you retard, i'm saying it's the same type of action, you build up a country's ability to produce goods for itself in such a way in which they necessarily depend on you, the population will love your nation, and thus will be bound to support people who specifically support further cooperation with you, and also not all US contracts are "built up to fail", as the ones in europe during the 40s and 50s weren't, nor were some of the choice selections in africa that way either, it's not that they simply export capital that i make a note of, it's that they specifically export the ability to continue to produce it and will benefit from it
>>2552760europeans are build on colonization, they fear communists because they fear either suffering consequences of their actions or suffer the same fate from others, simple as.
>>2552798>do yanks think that the only volk capable of capitalism and its consequence, imperialism is americans somehow?Canada and Europe extracts from the periphery more value per capita than Americans
>>2552798>>2552797>>2552800>there is zero difference between good and bad things actually Smartest Sinophobe
>>2552784>who die by your hand instead of die by your handDoesn't sound like a native English speaker
>>2552811fix your eyes, ragebaiter
>>2552800>the population will love your nationThis isn't imperialism, read Lenin
>>2552815common multipolaroid W
>>2552818the population will love a benevolent imperialist is the point
>>2552820And my point is you don't have a clue what you're talking about
>>2552815Will Mamdani make the Z train actually useful?
>>2552821neither do you, you are critiquing the aesthetics rather than the actual substance
>>2552675literally wasn't defending china, YOU brought it up to deflect from AMERICA, where YOU live, after YOU cried about having to hear podcasters talk about the genocide that YOUR government commits and which YOU do nothing about. YOU are pathetic.
>>2552624Couldnt agree more.
>>2552776>a hypothetical anti-imperialist power isn't what china is>anti-imperialism is whatever I state and define with my construct of imperialism/anti-imperialism.>I smarts!
>a power that makes the conditions that creates imperialism impossibleimagine blaming everyone else, except the US for the US imperialism.
The China Palestine thing is overwhelmingly one guy on vpn's
>>2552843if you don't want to hear about the genocide any more stop your government from committing it
>>2552858what do you mean by the China Palestine thing. that could refer to a number of posters with opposite opinions.
apparently nyc-dsa is withholding dues and trying to split from the national org? anyone have more info?
>>2552870maybe call up NYC DSA headquarters and ask 'em
>>2552784Watching anime and marvel movies is peak burguer culture.
>>2552855how do you get by in life being this fucking illiterate? seriously, and that definition is pretty solid
>>2552762Libs: We should use government money to help the economy.
MAGA: Ogey.
>>2552880right back you.
and like the other anon pointed out. you are to the right of the bbc, shitlib.
oh boy i'm being told on leftypol my government commits genocide and i should organize against that. time to complain about having to hear about it and plug my ears and say "what about china" over and over as if the conversation began with that
>>2552762lib media specifically focuses on hypocrisy and petty drama to avoid any mention of the class struggle. like no shit people are hypocritical. wielding power is fundamentally "hypocritical." nobody wants power wielded against them but everyone wants to wield power. wow. deep. this definitely hasn't been pointed out over and over since we began to speak some time in prehistory.
>>2552764The protests they organize are basically just "march around, say some slogans, maybe complain at an empty building".
Their protests are also heavily managed, with people in hi vis vests making sure that people are "peaceful" and that marchers stay on the parade route approved by the police department.
Also, I've read about them marching in such a way that people get kettled by cops. (Mainly citing the Californian instances of Occupy Wall Street and the burgerkrieg wave of 2020)
For example during the big groundswell of anti ICE activity in Los Angeles earlier this summer they redirected many people who wanted to do "something" to go to City Hall instead of the federal building in downtown LA where some of ICE's processing of detainees was taking place.
As for like community activity they don't really do much to try to address people's needs and get those people to fight for themselves, then again the whole spectrum of national orgs from DSA to PSL to RCP to FRSO struggle with that. Thankfully local independent orgs have been developing to meet that purpose (ex:the LA anti ICE wave developing in part from an ICE warning system actually bringing out people to stop raids in progress)
So all in all, PSL employ terrible tactics and try to act as a vanguard with no base, but they aren't feds.
>>2552888Of course they’re feds. If they’re a self proclaimed communist party not organizing the proletariat for armed revolt then they’re just a honeypot for western liberals who want to feel like they’re “doing something” without actually taking any risks because they implicitly understand that with imperialism comes their quality of life. Same with any other “communist” party in your cursed country
>>2552624have the responsible jailed? the Palestine situation mustn't be memory-holed by your dopamine-addicted brain.
>China is infinitely more important to my ideology than that little strip of land.both are important, not talking about Palestine is a sickening imperialist genocide whitewashing.
>>2552893>If they’re a self proclaimed communist party not organizing the proletariat for armed revolt <they implicitly understand that with imperialism comes their quality of lifeI have so many questions when I read posts like this and I can't ask them all at once without creating a distracted mess of a conversation but here goes nothing:
1. why would anyone actively organize for an armed revolt whose ultimate goal is to lower the quality of their own life?
2. if imperialism improves the quality of life of the imperial core proletariat, then why has the last 55 years of neoliberal imperialism resulted in more austerity, more privatization, more deindustrialization, more deregulation, decrease of unionization, decrease of longevity, stagnation of wages, increase of incarceration, etc.?
3. Are you open to the idea that imperialism simply decreases the quality of life of proles everywhere, but not equally? Like obviously American workers aren't suffering the way Palestinian workers are suffering, but they are suffering. The American worker's quality of life decreases because of imperialism, just not as quickly or intensely as someone in the countries targeted for regime change and resource extraction.
4. Did you know that the richest 10% of Americans now account for 50% of all spending in the economy?
5. Did you know that Americans pay more for healthcare than other imperial core countries?
6. If the imperial core bourgeoisie specifically deindustrialized to create a large de-radicalized population and a reserve army of labor that can be shuffled around between service sector jobs, is it really productive to blame the (former) proletariat for this deproletarianization process which was spearheaded by the bourgeoisie?
none of this is to say that americans shouldn't give a shit about american imperialism or shouldn't oppose it >>2552814yea sounds very ESL lol, huge surprise
>The US intervened in a case where Boeing was accused of murdering people, intentionally with poor design comply and ineffective quality control.
<At US government request, the court dropped the case.
>same company where TWO whistleblowers "died": John Mitch Barnett, and Joshua Dean.
>there are other whistleblowers, however, Barnett's role was as senior quality control at boeing, unlike the rest that worked at Spirit, auditors, or contractors, highlighting his superior position and importance.
well, apparently MIC corporations can go killing, even their own citizens without any punishment.
>>2552800>it's not that they simply export capital that i make a note of, it's that they specifically export the ability to continue to produce it and will benefit from it<umm win-win relationships between global south countries are bad!you fucking damn right they export the ability to produce it, and not just that, they are actively industrializing africa by building power stations, power grids, industrial parks, and factories, something western colonialism rarely did. read marx. the advancement of the forces of production is what drives change to the relations of production, meaning you can't build full socialism (much less communism) on the basis of economic and industrial backwardness. there's levels to this shit. china has built more roads, railways, factories, dams, ports and infrastructure in the past 20 years in africa than the west built in africa in its 400 years of colonial and neo colonial rule. western multinational corporations invest in extractive sectors (mining, oil), but not much in local manufacturing or industrial base-building. the few railroads that've built led from mines to ports, not between cities. according to OECD data, only 0.1% of US investments in Africa are classified as construction-related. reminder, global south isn't poor, these countries are rich. the people are poor. they've just been long overexploited by western colonialism and the US backed world bank and IMF. what they actually need is critical infrastructure to be able to develop which is what china is doing. so shove your stupid yankee projections of zero sum game imperialism up your non dialectical ass
>>2552883you might actually be the dumbest poster i've seen on the site, and you're competing against the guy who'd rant about jimmy neutron being a jewish plot
>>2552916>he thinks i'm ascribing a moral quality to imperialismif you cannot understand that i am attempting to describe an objective relation of imperialism, rather than some ultra-specific, completely useless definition that ignores inter-capitalist rivalry, then whatever you have to say is worth very little beyond the nice factoids you include there
>>2552925attempt is the operative word, you completely failed.
>>2552920all edge, no point.
>>2552399underrated stealth trvke
Ancapistan News.
-Mercado Libre wants “freedom” to exploit workers but protectionism against Chinese companies.
https://prensaobrera.com/politicas/mercado-libre-quiere-libertad-para-explotar-a-los-trabajadores-pero-proteccionismo-ante-las-empresas-chinas
>The president of Mercado Libre in Argentina, Juan Martín de la Serna, called for tougher regulations on platform-based commerce in response to the advance of Chinese competition in the region (Temu, Shein), which is affecting the quasi-monopoly of digital commerce in Argentina held by the company founded by the “liberal” Marcos Galperin. The company, whose ideological hallmark is “free trade,” wants the state to intervene and regulate the activity to preserve its business, in addition to enjoying direct benefits and subsidies from the state and benefiting from a de facto labor reform with workers outside the collective bargaining agreement and disregard for labor rights. In short, what they want is to “freely” exploit their employees without labor rights or union organization, but they are protectionist when it comes to collecting subsidies and market competition. This is capitalist liberalism in the era of monopolies.
>The statements by the Mercado Libre representative were made at the Abeceb forum, alongside other business leaders, where he said that "when you indiscriminately allow an Asian or Chinese company to send you a product by ship that takes 25 days to arrive, you can't return it afterwards. You're giving work to Chinese companies, not Argentine ones. It's even difficult to collect taxes from them, which is something that does happen with Mercado Libre. It is important for countries to regulate in some way."
>What is striking is that the founder and, until recently, CEO of Mercado Libre, Marcos Galperin, is known for being a staunch defender of economic deregulation, Javier Milei's “liberal” government, and “free trade”… as long as he monopolizes it.
>The Chinese company Temu increased its monthly users in the region by 143% in the first six months of the year alone, reaching 105 million users, threatening the position of Mercado Libre, which leads the sector in the region, with almost constant growth in recent years.
>The even more interesting contradiction of the aforementioned event is that on the same stage as De la Serna, among the speakers, was businessman Eduardo Elsztain, who currently has businesses selling gold and minerals, mainly to China, like many of the local capitalists who depend on the Asian giant for their exports. amidst President Javier Milei's trip to the United States with a speech aimed at capitalists to attract investment in the country, discursively bowing to the trade war against China, with serious difficulties in applying concrete measures in practice without affecting employer interests.
>The now “protectionists” of Mercado Libre, who defend Argentine labor over international competition—not exempt from austerity measures and layoffs—and who demand the payment of local taxes—even though the company has its headquarters in Montevideo (Uruguay) precisely in order to evade national taxes—are “liberals à la carte,” demanding the freedom to exploit their workers with their own flexible collective agreement, in conditions that violate labor rights, or the freedom to trade without fiscal impediments, but demanding regulation against competition, subsidies such as those in the Knowledge Economy Law, with reductions in income tax and employer contributions, among other things.
>They are the privileged capitalists who rail against the state and its regulations but live off rigged deals and the benefits and privileges granted by capitalist governments. That is why Milei welcomed one of the leading exponents of this dynamic to the United States, José Luis Manzano, with investments in sectors such as energy, communications, and technology, totally dependent on business with the state and subsidies and privileges in his favor.
>Capitalists demand fiscal and economic policy reforms tailored to their needs, even if this means bidding between different contradictory sectors and contradictory policies, all of which are against the interests of workers, just as they intend with the anti-worker labor reform that they all defend. They must be defeated with independent organization and popular mobilization to guarantee workers' rights and demands.>>2552782>no doubt about it, but is it actually "anti-imperialist"? noit is, if foments independence from actual imperialist states.
> it's merely a new form of imperialismyou can't even define imperialism.
>>2552946>tl;drBAIL US OUT, MR ORANGE SIR.
>>2552901they will ignore this and instead reply to bait
>>2552953
your answer to #2 admits it doesn't increase the quality of life of people in the imperial core, nullifying your answer to the other questions, but your answer low effort ragebait anyway
>>2552901>1. why would anyone actively organize for an armed revolt whose ultimate goal is to lower the quality of their own life? Historically, we saw the same process in the Segunda Republica Española (i.e). See, the process of de-colonization that freed millions in Latin-America struck a severe blow to Spain’s wealthy classes. While the old elites yearned for past epochs of glory, stuck in the past, yearned the prestige they had, the imposing power (fuck even one of the kings of Spain was the king of Europe, or what remained as the Roman Empire, known as the
Holy Roman Empire), the problems amounted, the situation was bleak, and poor people grew poorer. their solution was un-material: to return to imperialism. but in bankruptcy, it's impossible.
imperialism isn't a force that can be sustained forever. imperialized countries gain some force and start reclaiming better wages, winning economic battles, better life conditions, like the old Spanish colonies; similarly with China (and one of the reasons goods have become expensive) the conditions of imperialism become weaker, and the resulting system creates a good moment for communists to size control. the same way communists sized power in Spain, and Russia.
CPUSA isn't on its own fed, though their decisions are debatable, they operate under their material conditions. But the DSA it's another story. They have invited NED-funded people to talk in their forums, and have incessantly defended or justified the track record of some of their backed officials, like bernie sanders or AOC. As they will once the NYC mayor fails to deliver meaningful relief.
So
why would anyone actively organize for an armed revolt?when time comes, the only way to guarantee that the ruling elites stop their control, and the wealth is redistributed; and with this I mean the wealth that is stolen from the people, the only way you can take the US out of the current imperialist elites chaos they have set the US people up is through these organizations.
it won't be pretty, it won't be perfect, but it'll be
yours, and that's the point.
>2. if imperialism improves the quality of life of the imperial core proletariat, then why has the last 55 years of neoliberal imperialism resulted in more austerity, more privatization, more deindustrialization, more deregulation, decrease of unionization, decrease of longevity, stagnation of wages, increase of incarceration, etc.?because the system is regressing. it's collapsing as we speak. not close, not
yet, not
there, but the evidence in economic terms is revealing.
>3. Are you open to the idea that imperialism simply decreases the quality of life of proles everywhere, but not equally?that's a possibility.
>4. Did you know that the richest 10% of Americans now account for 50% of all spending in the economy?That's the condition of exploitative systems. they will exploit even their fellow countrymen. that's the point of how bad imperialism is.
>5. Did you know that Americans pay more for healthcare than other imperial core countries?in the internal issue of imperialism, the ruling elites acknowledge that the power they have is shared across different sectors. they cannot sustain the system by simply sizing all the power by a mere number in the order of tens. the power sharing resulted from imperialism distributes from
the center to the periphery inside the core, and the power share is because if they weren't to share at all, they'd face a serious threat inside, with people very close and around them continuously conspiring, then their lackeys get lackeys, and the latter will have some more, and so on. add that to the fact that US politics are unique, in which capital directly influences the institutions and laws disregarding the popular majority. these internal dynamics increase the price of the every-day person, because the power redistribution gives better wages and purchasing power. that, plus the malthusian-oriented, the hoarding-oriented characteristic of US capitalism, and other countries reclaiming less exploitative conditions, account for the main reasons that it got expensive.
>6. If the imperial core bourgeoisie specifically deindustrialized to create a large de-radicalized population and a reserve army of labor that can be shuffled around between service sector jobs, is it really productive to blame the (former) proletariat for this deproletarianization process which was spearheaded by the bourgeoisie?there's no 'depropletarization'. service workers are proles, too.
but no, they are not to blame.
>>2553006
his only problem I see is that he doesn't quite grasp the economic contradiction between going from one stage to the other. he's unable to reconcile these things, but I think it's because the science beneath it, it's difficult for him to comprehend.
as much as there are illiteracy problems, there is economic illiteracy problems, too. and stronger.
>>2553006
>overthrow imperialism
What’s that even mean Felix? The only way to overthrow imperialism in the U.S would be a proletarian revolution. And the imperial core proletariat won’t be interested in doing that if tell them their lives will get worst. CPUSanons argument, which I assume you do understand we by choose to wildly misinterpreted and strawman is
1: the imperial core proletariat doesn’t benefit from imperialism and would actually see a marked increase in their quality of life
2: our messaging to the proletariat should mainly focus on improving their conditions. The thing they care about the most and not lecturing them or calling them dirty evil treatlites for wanting healthcare.
You might have had an argument if this was the 60s when U.S imperialism still required drafting the proletariat to project force. Nowadays the imperial machine is hidden by an array of corporations and private military contractors. Carried out with a fraction of the people once needed for imperial adventures of yesteryear. Meaning U.S prols are more detached from imperialism than ever before. Even though it’s one of the main reasons it’s driving down their quality of life. They can be educated on this but only if they join the party and they’ll only join the party if they can material benefit from it. The only people you’ll get to die trying to overthrow imperialism directly are upper class adventurerist that can afford the time and supplies needed to carry that out. Pursue that if you want and god bless you but stop pretending that CPUSanon is a fascist for trying to build party infrastructure and popular support. Something that’s desperately needed as the empire is falling apart.
>>2552888Better than nothing I suppose, as I understood it their participation in rallies and marchs is mainly for visibility anyway.
Up to them to fix those issues, but a communist party in the burgerreich is going to have a hard time regardless…
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