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>>2550144Remember to filter mass tor baiters, feds, and trolls
Not reporting is bourgeois
Violators will be launched from trebuchet
honkoid status?
>>2551634
Anxiety? Turn off fox and take the kid's phone away. Holy shit, a mayor can only do so much. There won't be sharia law or Marxism, the demagoguery is making them anxious.
Mamdami isn't even a real person. He's an avatar created by the Jews to mock simple-minded Italian-Americans like Cuomo and Sliwa when they mispronounce his name as "Momdommy." Wake up!!
>>2551662
>And people wonder why the few actual communists in America are turning to Nick Fuentes!
Bait?
>>2551662
>a bunch of trust fund kiddies, overqualified university graduates, and pmc radlibs
i say this completely unironically: this radicalized part of the labor aristocracy is going to fucking crush the petty booj MAGAtards in a political mashup, it's not even a contest
>>2551669>the petit-bourgeois will side with the politician that promises to protect their reservesNo shit.
>>2551673It's literally one guy.
>socdem mayorAt least you don't pretend he's le epic socialist.
>>2551674Trump is the one promising to protect the petit bourgeoisie. He's just bad at it lol.
>>2551673>the FUD glowuyghurs<just one idiot from a plain IPyou are stupid
>>2551675trump is clearly on the side of the haute bourgeois lol while mamdani is the one helping the middle class from proletarianizing
>>2551660 >>2551662
Kill yourself faggot shill.
>>2551675Even the most right-wing media outlet has put out articles about how Trump is fucking over small biz.
>>2551640>a mayor can only do so muchI hate the cope that "he's hiding his power level" because hiding his beliefs is way worse. He's then just lying and entangling communism with the most crass of bourgeois politics.
>>2551676>while mamdani is the one helping the middle class from proletarianizing kys indifferentist
>>2551682>indifferentistThis retard is just saying random words at this point and seeing what sticks.
>>2551683hasn't read the theory award
>>2551682>>2551684>assert social democracy has nothing to do with communism<you are a "nihilist"/"indifferentist"Jesus christ you are fucking braindead.
>>2551685Trying so hard to be le epic "leninist" while defending bourgeois politics, lmfao.
>>2551682>>2551685>>2551686the appeals to lenin are so funny and ridiculous bc the bolsheviks never had a majority in support of the program
>>2551686 “The working class must not constitute itself a political party; it must not, under any pretext, engage in political action, for to combat the state is to recognize the state: and this is contrary to eternal principles. Workers must not go on strike; for to struggle to increase one's wages or to prevent their decrease is like recognizing wages: and this is contrary to the eternal principles of the emancipation of the working class!
“If in the political struggle against the bourgeois state the workers succeed only in extracting concessions, then they are guilty of compromise; and this is contrary to eternal principles. All peaceful movements, such as those in which English and American workers have the bad habit of engaging, are therefore to be despised. Workers must not struggle to establish a legal limit to the working day, because this is to compromise with the masters, who can then only exploit them for ten or twelve hours, instead of fourteen or sixteen. They must not even exert themselves in order legally to prohibit the employment in factories of children under the age of ten, because by such means they do not bring to an end the exploitation of children over ten: they thus commit a new compromise, which stains the purity of the eternal principles.
>>2551688>indifferentism is a reference to leninhasn't read the theory award
>>2551691>But nothing is helped by condemning Mamdani outright, just as much as nothing is helped by assuming he's going to bring about some socialist paradigm shift by himselfWrong. He called Hamas war criminals. The proletarian has every right to condemn their mortal enemy
>>2551693this uygha learned a new word and thinks thats enough of an argument for communists to back regular petty bourgeois demands that overlap every member of society as an individual in bourgeois society 💔
>>2551691nobodys "condemning" anything why is it controversial to say a random bourgeois politician is irrelevant to the proletariat loll
>>2551691good and nuanced take
>>2551695all i'm seeing here is cope
>>2551688relevant how exactly
>>2551691>>2551697not really bc its still radlib shit about democracy and caring about the majority opinion
the majority is an appeal to society, to the masses, the people. not the class, hence the wishy washy pb demands around democracy and rent, demands all stem bourgeois society where everyone meets each other as a commodity owner
>>2551695>communists to back regular petty bourgeois demandsI think you might just be restarted
>>2551698even dumber and vaguer buzzword that still doesnt refute he has no working class politics, just nothing but demands in the realm of transactions and prices
>>2551702calling others retarded when you dont understand what communism or social democracy even are 💔
>>2551705just read the theory breh it's obvious you've got nothing
>>2551705pseud phoneposter begone
>>2551706again, posting this shit is so funny when the bolsheviks never had a majority in support of the program
>>2551688 the bolsheviks won soviet elections in moscow and petrograd in september, you lie
mfw >tfw you voted for Mamdani but still agree with both sides of this debate
feels good man
>>2551711can we put this guy in charge of pest control
>>2551706"Backward elements" of the proletariat, not of non-proletarians, fucktard.
>>2551714>some shit about class struggle with peasants who don't exist anymoreappeal to majority rule in modern america is appeal to proletarian rule as proletarians are the majority class
>>2551714you really thought this was a good argument
>>2551691>Ziohran can call Hamas war criminals but the proletarian cannot condemn himSocial fascism par excellence
Turn the bourgeoise into nutraloaf I say
>>2551654I think AOC and Zohran is the first step to making a third party. Considering massive frictions within the Democratic party leaders and their presence in it. Dirty Break sounds more and more likely.
>>2551691Yeah this.
The whole bellyaching shit about muh labor aristocracy is missing the fact that the average westoid is blissfully unaware of geopolitics and the economics of imperialism, both of which are necessary prerequisites for having a "treatlerite" consciousness.
All Mamdani and people like him mean to the average person is "let's actually have a society that fulfills basic functions and takes care of people instead of one that bleeds them dry." I can understand and sympathize to a degree with the sort of doomerism and cope that comes from the USSR ultimately failing, this idea that we should just try again but harder so we don't fall into "revisionism," but that's still a wrong take (a goofy one even) and merely a symptom of unprocessed grief rather than anything resembling sober analysis.
Mamdani is literally just a fucking mayor. He is not going to do anything relevant to national politics other than spectacle/pulpit shit. In that regard he is likely to be a flashpoint for the GOP freaking out about le wokes, or more generally as a national point of propaganda. As communists, we can look at the elections as indicators of what the people's level of consciousness is, and the willingness to elect Mamdani is in that sense a promising sign.
The people spazzing out about him are making a similar fundamental error to what the people they want to criticize are making: Great Man Theory. Mamdani, nor any individual, is not going to usher in socialism. That's not even our job as communists. It's something that only the mass movement of the workers can do. Mamdani in that context is just an indicator of what the workers want and the state of class antagonism in New York City. The reaction to his win is also an indicator for the country as a whole.
>>2551714>>2551721What if instead of fighting each other like this we team up to fight the capitalists? Has anyone thought of this?
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>(Drop Site News) The Senate votes Thursday at 5 p.m. ET on a War Powers Resolution to block an attack on Venezuela with a real chance of passage. Of the 47 Democrats in the Senate caucus, 46 are expected to vote yes (minus John Fetterman). Two Republicans, Lisa Murkowski and Rand Paul, will vote yes, giving supporters 48 votes, three short of the number needed for the resolution to pass. One of those could be Susan Collins, facing re-election. “I need to read the legal opinion that the Office of Legal Counsel did,” she told reporters. “I’ve gone to the classified briefing, as I said, but I’d like to read that opinion.” Her potential opponent Graham Platner has spoken out against the strikes on Venezuela, putting pressure on her vote. Beyond Collins, four Republicans previously voted for a War Powers Resolution (on Yemen) during the first Trump term and haven’t yet said they are a firm “yes” on the war: Todd Young, Jerry Moran, Mike Lee, and Steve Daines. Supporters also think they have a chance at Mike Rounds, James Lankford, and even Senate Leader John Thune.
>>2551740best outcome is if they block this invasion and trump does it anyways
>>2551732>Lenin and the Bolsheviks may have not had majority support when they initially seized control of Russia, but they started off with a lot of support both among the workers and peasants and won over additional support by actually fulfilling people's needsbingo. To give a little context, Lenin's argument for the coup was essentially that the masses were in a state of 'nervous tension', that if they weren't calling for insurrection, the act of insurrection would snap them into focus, and cause them to coalesce around the party.
Lenin's position was that the Bolsheviks could not and should not wait until they were the most popular party in Russia because the very fact of launching the coup was going to make them the most popular party in Russia.
It didn't hurt that the war was extremely unpopular with both the peasants and workers and the Bolsheviks were the only party declaring they would end it. It also didn't hurt that the Germans were on the verge of seizing Petrograd and there was a belief among the people that Kerensky had abandoned red petrograd to the Germans
>>2551740It would be interesting if Trump cucks out on the invasion because of the backlash against his agenda inside the GOP after they got hosed in the elections.
>>2551742>>2551732nooo
You don't get it communism is when the workers suffer. We win workers to the cause by making them suffer! We have to yell and scream about the libs who want to alleviate their suffering and moralize how the workers aren't really workers are we'll shoot them in a real revolution because that's how you build a mass socialist movement :^^^^^^^)
Get used to it
>>2551740>46 are expected to vote yes (minus John Fetterman)This guy is totally fucked on reelection holy fuck what a piece of trash
>>2551754>dies in a plane crash on the way to mee-maws Plane crash president
>>2551744Trump Always Cucks Out
>>2551737>That's not even our job as communists. It's something that only the mass movement of the workers can do.No way. Just like at the polling results. Mamdani won sure, but plenty of people still votes for Cuomo. Leni had it right, the Communist movement has to be lead by committed radicals. The only thing the mass of people can be counted on for is general discontent.
>>2551768>the Communist movement has to be lead by committed radicals.Where are these radicals though?
Leftypol certainly isn't leading anyone. I doubt a single one of you even volunteered for Mamdani or used his campaign to promote Leftism to the masses irl.
>>2551772That's a different issue, and I agree. Political discipline in the western left is lacking. I also agree that you will never find such discipline in Leftypol and to be honest, nowhere in the Internet.
>>2551785RFK always looking like he really has to take shit in these standing around listening to Trump babble videos
zogran has the same dead stare all dems have, people who simp for him are marks
>>2551777did we expect intellect from an actress?
>>2551700>the majority is an appeal to society, to the masses, the people. not the class,the
majority is working class.
>>2551801Things are pretty bad here ngl. Like bad enough that every person I know has been talking about "escape plans" in a half-joking manner for the last few months.
Personally I will be heading to Brazil if shit hits the fan.
>>2551768>>2551772Well I mean, we're communists, we're radicals, Theoretically there's nothing stopping a group of us from getting together and forming a program to lead the masses and promote communism as the solution to society's problems. The only obstacle is our own pessimism and paranoia
>>2551816What if I have no social skills and never leave the house
>>2551819Know your place ACK-man
>>2551819'they accidentally'
yeah. sure.
>>2551816>Theoretically there's nothing stopping a group of us from getting together and forming a program to lead the masses and promote communism as the solution to society's problems.What's stopping (You) from starting it, anon?
>>2551832wow. is that value-added all coming from collected personal data?
https://www.thedailybeast.com/gavin-newsom-steps-in-to-replace-donald-trump-at-major-summit/Newsom going to a major climate change summit that Trump’s boycotting cause “climate change isn’t real”, unironically the Trump admin is leaving a void of leadership that Newsom’s ambitious enough to snatch up. Dude is definitely gonna be the front runner for the 2028 Dem primary barring a catastrophic embarrassment.
Yknow I heard once that there’s this supposed trend in American politics where one President gets the reform ball rolling and it’s the President of another party that kind of perfects it or defines the terms of it. Honestly I could see Newsom just embracing all the executive power that’s been centralized in Trump. Maybe doing some “I’ll punish the Right” kind of campaign.
The California Imperivm is coming. National guards occupying Texas soon. Trust the plan.
>>2551847The west has fallen
>>2551846i saw newsom speak about prop 50 winning and chuds getting BLOWN THE FUCK OUT 2-to-1 in the voting and he was as dry and lifeless as any democrap. he should really get some coaching or something if he wants to be blue trump
>>2551754most of his second term so far has been running damage control over social media
>>2551842Executive disfunction, schoolwork, depression. But if enough people are interested we could easily make some Matrix chat where we come up with actual strategies free from the shitposting and doomsaying that usually plagues this board. We could do it Saturday evening if that works for people
>>2551855I’m thinking less “Blue Trump” and more a potentially more cunning Macron. Like he might try to summon some amount of populism but I think his real strength would be finding a balance between authoritarian executive powers and giving enough to people to keep them satiated. Like California is gonna be producing its own insulin from what I understand to make it cheaper, he can probably leverage little perks like that nationally and combine it with some amount of authoritarian flexing (justified by “we’re giving the Republicans a taste of their own medicine”) to calcify the strong executive that Trump accelerated.
>>2551798fuck
we had a nigerian comrade posting on leftypol recently during the big protests, hope he might give some explanations of why the us suddenly want to fuck with them
>>2551785>>2551847>Ozempic exec has a heart attack on TV while Trump is signing a deal with them>Novo-nordisk stock price crashes Lol when does it come out that Ozempic secretly causes heart attacks or some shit
>>2551878trump hates looking weak. i know he's pissed
>>2551884>tear down the great wall of chinai was caught off guard with that 😅
>>2551865Conservatives figuratively exist in Fox News land. Like we’re not talking about just a difference of opinion now but an alternatively constructed reality. There were some preachers talking about how their congregations have been thoroughly propagandized to the point that they’re calling Jesus a libtard and one of them said “well we get these guys once a week for an hour, then they go home and watch Fox or OAN all day for the rest of the week.”
They’re convinced that Mamdani is an enemy they have to stop. Doesn’t matter if he’s running for mayor of NYC and they’re not even in New York State. The world shrinks, the logic breaks down. They live in a world where “there’s a sea of red and only a couple blue islands” as though land votes. NYC might as well be next door as far as they’re concerned.
Like during the War on Terror you had small towns in flyover country convinced that the Taliban were coming for them. You have towns that genuinely believe that armies of ANTIFA are gonna be bussed from “the cities” to destroy their towns.
I love how the social contract is vaporizing but the expectations aren't changing. I've been looking for a dishwashing type job for months since tech support died with AI, and no dice. These are entry level positions that pay 13-14 dollars an hour and I keep applying and never getting a call back. Months now I've been unemployed.
Literally I just want to work so I can take a chick on a fancy dinner date and take her shopping and get her nails done and all the other expensive shit that's expecedt of you as young man in the dating marketplace but nope! I can't imagine an entire part of men's lives being taken from them (romantic, sexual, dating life) will bode well for the accelerating collapse. Oh of course you're still a lazy good for nothing parasite of a person who shouldn't even be seen in public if you're a broke man, but all the while the availability of jobs is increasingly tiny. Even if I was to get a jib, I can't afford a $300 dinner date on a Dishwasher's salary, so what's the point even? Can't wait to pay 97% of my wage to a landlord wherein I can't even bring a chick over to the place because as soon as she sees I live in a motel, bam that's the ick! Why do I live in a motel? Because how in the evergreen fuck would I amass $5000 to move into an apartment when I'm fucking unemployed! So glad I get to spend my 20s being a worthless fucking waste of a man, completely failing at the expectation to provide.
And its great too because all the largest names in socialist media are millionaires so there's a whole other expectation that if my 'side hustle' was of any value to the masses, I'd be one to, after all, your favorite streamer is. So not only do I inherently have no value because I am an unproductive unemployed leech with no ends, my only actual contribution to the 'movement' to change the system is also inherently without value because I'm not making 90k a month in patron like your favorite youtuber. Can't even make it in my own lane. No amount of clout or people knowing who I am on the street or telling me they read my work will make up for the fact that this shit is a zero sum game and someone has to lose and that happens to be me
>>2551893>I can't imagine an entire part of men's lives being taken from them (romantic, sexual, dating life) will bode well for the accelerating collapse.houdini experiencing the incel blackpill in realtime
>>2551868That's fair. The personal circumstances of many anons here are probably similar to yours, in all honesty. Not a bad thing, but it helps explain why it's difficult to get collaborative action off the conceptualization stage.
Despite that, I will support any and all attempts for anons here to get organized and get actual work done, in any way we possibly can… so it's worth a shot. What's the worst that could happen?
>>2551893Don’t forget to donate to my pornography studio
>>2551893Jesus man I’m sorry to hear you’re dealing with that. It’s only getting worse for a lot of young dudes out there. I’m hearing some sociologists saying we’re moving toward nearly a million young men not being employed or in education.
>>2551899Probably one of the weirder moments for me as a kid was being educated on Catholic Social Teaching and then seeing some prosperity gospel shit. Like it was a bizarre inversion. We had teachers talking about how it’s immoral for CEOs to fire people en masse rather than cut their own salary to save jobs and then it’s like “if you give this preacher $500 you’ll get $5000 from THE LORD!”
Anyways in the case of the article it was stuff like the sermon on the mount and turning the other cheek and when their congregation complained they were liberals and the pastors said it was literally Jesus’ teachings; their response was to claim “it doesn’t work anymore”
>>2551878A truly great photo
>>2551851so hecking quirky
>>2551900You know what, I'm gonna do it. I'll get things organized with some of the folks already on the Leftypol Matrix server and I'll come back to y'all tomorrow to let you know the specifics. We're going to bring communism to America or die trying
>>2551754Second Term Trump has been one long crash out
>>2551928Are we splitting up, as is tradition? Or are we staying here on Leftypol?
>>2551939I see no reason why we need to split up
>>2551942I hate /pol/tards and they will inevitably try to shit things up.
>>2551874>Novo-nordiskthis was the deal allegedly it would bring down drug prices?
lmao.
imagine if big pharma poisoned him.
>>2551734>hundreds of thousands dead in Gaza and more every day*crickets*
>34 sailors bombed over 50 years agoNO! NO NO NO! THOSE BASTARDS MUST PAY!
>>2551952[Ministry of Truth Approval Stamp]
>>2551994If business interests were truly superior to those of the state they would've already stopped him from buying U.S steel. The rubicon was already crossed and seems like Novo nordisk is next
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