What do you think about German far-left political party named Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance – Reason and Justice aka BSW?
Are they true communist redpilled comrades? Do they have any future? Will they replace Die Linke and would/will you vote for that party if were/are a German?
112 posts and 22 image replies omitted.>>2555049>Russian/chinese imperialismlmao ok retard, call me when russia or china controls the world bank, the imf, the largest military force in human history by several gradations, with 800 military bases spread across the globe and the ruble or yuan serves as the world's reserve currency
>>2555054>russia and austria-hungary were far weaker than uk, france, germany during ww1 and could barely control their own territory>clearly this means they weren't imperialistretard
>>2555002>Wagenknecht is not accepted by the bourgeois mainstream but she's also a popular T.V. and media celeb?She was in 2024 the most popular politician in Germany still, so she got invited to tv shows a lot. In terms of economics and social policy she is entirely harmless as she likes to praise national small and mid-sized businesses and proposes some sort of Trump style protectionism mixed with basic succdem stuff like raising the minimum wage and getting rid of sanctions against unemployed people. However that doesn't mean the bourgeois mainstream agrees with her. It's quite the opposite, as you can see with the liberals ITT who are STILL incredibly butthurt about her despite her being significantly less popular since she lost her Bundestag seat. Liberals do not hate her like crazy because of her supposedly being "culturally conservative", homophobic (she is neither) nor her lukewarm socdem takes on bourgeois economics but because she does not HATE HATE HATE Cucktin and Russians like they do, does not support Ukronazis, does not support arming up the Bundeswehr and doesn't cuck to the Israel lobby and anglo lobby. If she's invited to a tv show she is always pitted against three, four or five NAFO warmonger opponents plus against highly biased hosts who cut her off during arguments. Liberals probably believe they ridicule and "debunk" anti-imperialist, pacifist and supposed Putinist (again, she isn't even simping for Cucktin/Russia) positions that way.
>>2555056By the time of ww1 most great powers were of relative equal strength and imperial influence, the British being the obvious outlier, with austro hungaria being probably the weakest. Since then more than a 100 years have passed, don't know if you noticed, and the current political landscape of the world is completely different, with america inheriting the spoils of the british empire and after the 2nd world war and after that the downfall of the soviet union and the east block, came to dominate the political/economic order of basically the entire world
You fucking troglodyte
>>2555038All three but she really really hates Die Linke.
>>2555002>they like these so-called rogue / maverick lefties who aim a lot of their fire at the left.Right wingers love to amplify Orwells, self-identified leftists who only ever criticized other leftists (whom usually are part of a left wing party). BSW is a more socially conservative Die Linke, and probably less socialistic in its economic program. The latter is probably why no one votes for them. It is funny because if Die Linke has BSW's basic bitch economic policies, they would be labelled by these Orwells as social fascists and Rosa-killers, but somehow Wagenknecht gets a pass and labelled as merely "socdem".
>>2555062>By the time of ww1 most great powers were of relative equal strength and imperial influencelol
>Since then more than a 100 years have passedthe point is that just because one imperialist power is weaker than another doesn't mean they're not imperialist. russia and china are weaker militarily and economically than usa but that doesn't make them less imperialistic, just that their capacity to enforce imperialism is weaker
now fuck off monkey
>>2555054China is already one of rhe top dogs of the imf and the world bank (third position)
>>2555061>Liberals do not hate her like crazy because of her supposedly being "culturally conservative"She's literally anti-trans, bitches about refugees (easy to bully those who can't fight back) and "identity politics", is "anti-globalization" (not just anti-EU, but pro-social chauvinism)… Let's not lie.
>UkronazisBoth Russia and Ukraine have Nazis in them, but that doesn't make either "Nazis". Otherwise everywhere on Earth would be Nazi. Stop with the propaganda.
>>2555069>the point is that just because one imperialist power is weaker than another doesn't mean they're not imperialistIt literally does moron, imperialism is an actual formation of capitalism, it's not something that countries have somehow innately interwoven in their being. The argument that in your imagined world where china and russia are just as imperialist as america is now in the real world is just idealism and cope. You're basically making the same argument that zionist make "well, if hamas/the Palestinians were to control all the territory they would be just as bad/worse as the israelis, they'd do genocide against the jews!" while they are in fact the ones doing genocide in the real world
>>2555070Imf and world bank are still firmly in the hands of the america and its allies, for now
>>2555089incredible analysis, i'm sure this goes hard as fuck if you have brain damage
>>2555089>imperialism is an actual formation of capitalismand all of them are capitalist LOL so yea they're all imperialist cuz capitalism naturally forms that. cope.
>"well, if hamas/the Palestinians were to control all the territory they would be just as bad/worse as the israelis, they'd do genocide against the jews!"??????
>>2555092Imperialism is when evil, you can't be imperialism if ypu're good (good is defined by less evil than amerikkka)
>>2555091Sorry you're too retarded to form a counter argument
>>2555092>all capitalist states are innately imperialist and are thus imperialistWhat's the point of having the term imperialism then retard? Capitalist would suffice just fine
>??????It's what you sound like, what's so hard to understand about that?
>>2555092in fact their response is so stupid i genuinely can't, so supposedly russia and china aren't imperialist because they're weaker, in spite of the fact that russia has about as much strength as much of LATAM combined, a strong military, and a strong industrial base, and also projects its power to any nation on this planet, china isn't imperialist despite having an insane production base and exceptional world influence, selling weapons to every power, and then the final cherry on top is the moralizing non sequitur designed to say "you're basically benjamin netenyahu if you disagree with me" really impressive stuff here
>>2555098sorry you're retarded to do anything beyond make moralizing non-sequiturs and shitty arguments ignoring the actual strength of these nations
>>2555077>She's literally anti-trans,She is not, let's not lie.
>bitches about refugeesShe does not bitch about immigrants, she does in fact bitch about immigrant workers getting exploited and she bitches about mass immigration. Let's not lie.
>against identity politicsso just like /leftypol/ before you arrived
"anti-globalization"
For a socialist, what exactly is to like about "globalzation", which is in fact capitalist world domination?
>EUFor a socialist, what is to like about the EU, which is in fact capitalist and aristocrat domination of Europe?
>Both Russia and Ukraine have Nazis Ukraine's entire political establishment and military command are literal Nazis and all communist and socialist parties are banned. In Russia neither communists nor socialists are banned, the KPRF is the 2nd largest party afaik and Cucktin even sort of appropriates Stalin. Cucktin surely is some sort of weird theocrat neoliberal conservatard or reactoid, but he's not a fascist.
Stop with the NAFO propaganda and get back to Reddit or at least use another flag, you're a liberal NAFOid. Democrap is your's.
>>2555098>What's the point of having the term imperialism then retardall imperialists are capitalists but not all capitalists are imperialists, but usa, russia and china all have enough capitalist capacity/development to become imperialist so they are all engaged in it because it is a natural consequence
>>2555106>She is not, let's not lie.<“If men can declare themselves to be women through a mere speech act, women’s rights and women’s safe spaces will soon be a thing of the past.” https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-moves-closer-gender-change-easier-sel-determination-act-law/>so just like /leftypol/ before you arrived<"The theory behind this approach is called identity politics. It is at the heart of left liberalism, and provides the practical framework on which the left-liberal worldview is based. Identity politics amounts to focusing on ever smaller and ever more bizarre minorities, each of which finds an identity in some quirk which distinguishes it from the majority of society, and from which it derives the claim to victimhood." https://www.leftvoice.org/everything-you-need-to-know-about-sahra-wagenknechts-left-conservatism/>For a socialist, what is to like about the EUI oppose the EU. I was saying that if she was just anti-EU it would be fine, but she is more broadly:
>"anti-globalization"Nationalism is the antithesis of proletarian unity, which must always be internationalist in natural. Nationalism is not socialism. The social chauvinists proved that on the eve of WW1.
>Ukraine's entire political establishment and military command are literal Nazis"They have Nazis in their country" =/= "their entire command is all Nazis", which is a stupid leap to make because it would apply to EVERY single country on Earth.
>the KPRF is the 2nd largest partyBecause they're Putin simps who don't care about socialism, only advancing Russian imperial interests. otherwise they'd be banned too.
>he's not a fascistHe's not, but the people behind him are. He's just another autocratic capitalist.
>>2555105It's not a moralizing argument just because you are offended by it, you projecting retard, it's to illustrate you use the same sort of nonsensical idealism to justify your position. The fact that you reduce the complexity of America's control over the world economy as just the vague abstraction to "strength" or whatever you're getting at is just you disingenuously reframing the argument because you can't cope with "call me when russia or china controls the world bank, the imf, the largest military force in human history by several gradations, with 800 military bases spread across the globe and the ruble or yuan serves as the world's reserve currency" Which in and of itself is just scratching the surface of American dominance over the world and it's contribution to anticommunism in that process.
>>2555107>all imperialists are capitalists but not all capitalists are imperialistsGlad we agree
> but usa, russia and china all have enough capitalist capacity/development to become imperialist so they are all engaged in it because it is a natural consequenceAmerica is already imperialist and has been for ages, russia and china are not imperialist currently, unless you think a country exerting power over its smaller neighbors is imperialism. In my opinion, they could be potentially in the future, but right now that's just a fantasy while the US has the position it has
>>2555107Chinese imperialism is based. USA/Russia imperialism is gay and retarded.
>>2555116quite literally it's a moralizing argument, you bring in the israeli genocide of palestinians to batter other people, it's a complete appeal to emotions rather than an actual argument
>>2555149No it's not dude, im not brining it up to call you bad like a zionist, im sure you don't support apartheid or whatever, im saying it's the same sort of ridiculous idealistic argument that doesn't take into account how the world actually is and instead has to concoct some sort of imagined reality where the roles are somehow magically reversed. It has nothing to do with trying to appeal to your emotions
>>2555054Can I call you about how the CSTO intervened in Kazakhstan over protests due to the price of bread and gas?
>>2555167No because Kazakhstan is a founding member of the CSTO so this is completely irrelevant
>>2553807Sorry, but that wasn't me. I never talked about german politics on this board before.
I didn't rage at the so-called "Lefts" return, I think it happened mainly because pseudo-leftist young people were disappointed in the greens and "The Left" now pretends to care about social issues, just like how the greens pretended to care about the environment or some shit before. I think "The Left" is just another trap for the little ones.
I wasn't really surprised by the results, I just happen to agree with the party that, statistically, the BSW might have won and the votes should be re-counted and verified.
I don't even care about them being in government. Regardless of those couple of votes, it just shows that the german people have been fully indoctrinated into marching eastwards for capital, "democracy" and apparently somehow their fatherland.
>>2554337I was already a commie years before I fucked your fat ass mother and you popped out of her.
Why does Every. Single. leftist discussion about national politics have to become about geopolitic?
I don't give a fuck about what happens outside my coutnry. Building the productive forces and ensuring stability and peace in my country is the highest priority.
I don't give a fuck about anything else. not NATO, not Russia, not Israel, not China, not Greenland. I simply don't care. I vote for the party that is most effective at building productive forces. Nothing else matters, everything else is noise.
>>2555401ᴉuᴉlossnW speech bubble
>>2555190You wouldn't comment on NATO deploying troops on Paris to quell a protest?
>>2555401I also hate geopolitics but you are a retard lmao
>>2555361>I think it happened mainly because pseudo-leftist young people were disappointed in the greens and "The Left" now pretends to care about social issues, just like how the greens pretended to care about the environment or some shit before. I think "The Left" is just another trap for the little ones.This is literal history revisionism, Die Linke want HAM on its economic policies and constantly center that in its campaign. You are simply not telling the truth.
>>2555743Yeah. Well it's interesting to contrast Die Linke's messaging from this the last election
>>2553049 where it's in-your-face economic messaging to the one before that (here) which was much more "lefty" in that specific way that people find annoying.
Pretentious and avant-garde might be words for it.
massiv retardation and nothing else
>>2553227I was about to say, the BND put in extra hours.
>>2553807Linke is literally Pro Israel and Pro NATO.
>>2556219>New co-chairShe has been co-chair since its founding.
Guess what there also is a Yemeni and an Iranian dude as part of the board. Almost like this party attracts people that feel committed to anti-imperialism.
The new chair that is replacing SW is the grandson of an Italian partisan btw.
>>2551515i don't believe in voting nor in any party, but i voted for her for the lols. had she gotten into parliament (think it was off by 9k votes in a country of maybe 85 million, ain't that odd!), it would have made the current coalition impossible (or at least it couldn't have been a majority government), which would have caused a tremendous amount of chaos. that's the only reason i went to the ballot box for the first time in my entire life.
i watched a couple interviews with her, read what she had to say, listened to some speeches, and on a lot of things i generally tend to agree, but i have little faith in her cause.
also, something happened with her, she went from edgy tanky to tame socdem in no time. either she's just old and weak or it's due to her retarded socdem husband oskar lafontaine. probably his doing.
>Will they replace Die Linke and would/will you vote for that party if were/are a German?kek if you ever voted for that party you might be retarded, no exceptions. it's a joke and a cesspool. i wish the mauermörder propaganda was true, but sadly it's not that. it's just a zionist performance art project with little to no merit.
>>2556179Poor landlords, ziggers and petty bourgeoise lost their most promising social conservative
>checks [wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSW_group_(Bundestag))>Absence from the speech of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy>Volodymyr ZelenskyyHis name is Volodymyr? Volodymyr Zelenskyy vs. Vladimir Putin? No wonder people only say their last names.
>>2556678yes, his name is Volodymyr Oleksandrovych Zelenskyy, abbreviated to VOZ
>>2556669>kek if you ever voted for that party you might be retarded, no exceptions. it's a joke and a cesspool. i wish the mauermörder propaganda was true, but sadly it's not that. it's just a zionist performance art project with little to no merit.why
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