/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

you're just writing a bad satire of something someone was arguing more sincerely earlier today:
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>>2554886
I never mentioned brown being bad
I am brown myself

>>2554887
what I wrote is not satire but I do agree with that anon you are referring to. I simply think his correct thoughts deserve a thread so we can debunk the Mamdani-petit-booj cultists.

>>2554893
no you clearly disagree with that anon and are trying to shitcoat his conclusions by repeating the correct conclusions he had, but with none of the supporting arguments, and a bunch of added bait and racism.

>>2554899
the racism is in your head you moron

>>2554892
what is the supporting argument for this position squints "Roland Barthes" (literally who?) is making?

>>2554892
i've said this many times over but i will never stop saying it, the welfare state that was originally supposed to support the proletariat and the labour aristocracy has become the main support for the petit bourgeois. Free healthcare, tax credits, and labour market liberalisation that was advertised as "pro labour" helped it immensely. the general strategy is to keep these people afloat because they harm the movement, their mass and their resources end up in either progressive anti communist parties or in fascist parties, both supported by the big bourgeois. this isnt sustainable though, as the petti bourgeois is inherently inefficient, and we will eventually see rationalization happen once the empires crumble.

Interesting how so many antisemitic tropes are now being applied to Indians.

>>2554892
Barthes was a gay pedophile.

since OP is baiting as outlined in these posts:
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>>2554899
I will be bringing the actual supporting arguments for the conclusion OP is shitcoating (minus the bait and racism) from these posts into the thread:
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it is taking a step backwards in the development of the productive forces towards socialism to break up the monopolies. the entire point of socialism is it takes control of state capitalist monopoly under a dictatorship of the proletariat. to break up state capitalist monopoly and return to small business competition is just going backwards in history without addressing the root cause. by doing so you actually postpone the development of socialism. This is why breaking up the American monopolies was the position of the capitalist imperialist Teddy Roosevelt. Teddy Roosevelt, by breaking up the monopolies, and Franklin Roosevelt, by instituting social welfare systems, actually postponed socialist revolution. I'm sure Lina Khan and Zohran Mamdani are very nice people, but what I anticipate from Justice Democrats, DSA, Bernie, the Squad, Zohran, and Zohran's transition team, is just another bout of Rooseveltism that postpones socialist revolution in this country another 60-80 years. Problem is… Time Is Running Out. Rooseveltism won't work twice! The conditions are too different than they were the first time. We have runaway climate change, the breakdown of America's postwar hegemony, increasing geopolitical tensions, multiple unfinished proxy wars and ongoing coup attempts… we are mixing Rooseveltism with our reactionary foreign policy and our declining hegemony at the worst moment possible. This kind of petty bourgeois "socialism" at this moment is eerily similar to the historical conditions that laid the ground for fascism. This is my warning. Take it or leave it. Feel free to ignore me or call me a crank. I hope I am wrong. I don't want history to prove me right. But my pessimism has always been great at predicting things.

Scientific socialism:
>Smash the bourgeois state
>seize but do not smash state capitalist monopoly since it represents a development of the productive forces up to a certain level
>liquidate the bourgeoisie as a class
>nationalize the monopolies under a dictatorship of the proletariat and actually plan production in such a way that it minimizes work hours, maximizes economic output, and do not "RETVRN" to 1800s small business competition.

Petty bourgeois Rooseveltism:
>Anti Trust reformism
>fetishize "fair competition and small businesses"
>Social Welfare reformism
>let crumbs fall from porky's table (literally trickle down economics)
>Let the problem fester another 60-80 years, which we don't have.


Read Lenin:

>Socialism is inconceivable without large-scale capitalist engineering based on the latest discoveries of modern science. It is inconceivable without planned state organisation, which keeps tens of millions of people to the strictest observance of a unified standard in production and distribution. We Marxists have always spoken of this, and it is not worth while wasting two seconds talking to people who do not understand even this (anarchists and a good half of the Left Socialist-Revolutionaries).

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1918/may/09.htm

>You will find that, given a really revolutionary-democratic state, state- monopoly capitalism inevitably and unavoidably implies a step, and more than one step, towards socialism!

>For if a huge capitalist undertaking becomes a monopoly, it means that it serves the whole nation. If it has become a state monopoly, it means that the state (i.e., the armed organisation of the population, the workers and peasants above all, provided there is revolutionary democracy) directs the whole undertaking. In whose interest?

>[…] socialism is merely the next step forward from state-capitalist monopoly. Or, in other words, socialism is merely state-capitalist monopoly which is made to serve the interests of the whole people and has to that extent ceased to be capitalist monopoly.

>There is no middle course here. The objective process of development is such that it is impossible to advance from monopolies (and the war has magnified their number, role and importance tenfold) without advancing towards socialism.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/ichtci/11.htm

Lenin is clear: socialism is smashing the bourgeois state, building up a proletarian state, and taking control of the state capitalist monopoly so that it ceases to e state capitalist monopoly. It is a step forward from the level of development of state capitalist monopoly.

What is a step backwards from the level of development of state capitalist monopoly. It is Rooseveltism! It is Teddy's Trust Busting and FDR's Welfare Capitalism!

American socialists are repeating the petty bourgeois reformist mistakes of 80-110 years ago!

>>2554915
>gay pedo
so a petit-bourgeois?

He is ᴉuᴉlossnW, but just like all 21st leftists lmao. Not because he is an indian muslim.

>>2554916
tbh the best chance for American socialism/revolution was under FDR before the onset of Truman's Red Scare.

If the Squad has its way, either the proletariat is lulled into complacency and lean back to reforming capitalism or become class conscious and push for socialist revolution. I can see the argument for the former, but to be completely oblivious to the latter is a bit disingenuous.

>>2555026
retard

>>2554883
Why would small business owners care about free buses, state run grocery stores, or affordable childcare? Now this does try to file the edges off capitalism and make it more efficient, but opposing that in the name of Marxism because it turns away proles from revolution is the exact thing that made Marx say he's not a Marxist. The job of the communist is to point out it's not enough and to push for more.

This is 100% a siberia thread.

>>2554883
Zohran/Cuomo is just an inter-imperialist squabble between the rural and urban factions of capital. As revolutionary socialists, we should fight for revolutionary defeatism and fight for rural capitalists in the cities and the urban capitalists in the country.

>>2555354
>Why would small business owners care about free buses, state run grocery stores, or affordable childcare?
Right. You know I think it's revealing something about capitalists when the bodega guild endorsed him, they saw the writing on the wall and figured it was in their interest to get on his good side. Bill Ackman was spending millions calling Mamdani a communist and how he's going to destroy New York City, then on a dime was like "call me plz" after he won.

>>2555490
Notice how the succdem cucks begin by conceding to the porky narrative, and only posit a contrary narrative in the final sentence, after everyone has stopped reading, either out of smug satisfaction, or anger at betrayal.

>>2555354
going "it's not far enough you need to push for more" doesn't work when the concessions deradicalize people and lull them back to sleep for another 40-60 years of complacency when we don't have time. also in many respects it is not only that social democracy "isn't going far enough" it's that it goes in the opposite direction of the development Leninist theory sees as the requirement. Like pointed out before, breaking up state capitalist monopoly and resetting competition is a step backward in the development of the productive forces, while seizing and nationalizing state capitalist monopoly is a step forward. So not only does social democracy deradicalize the proletariat, project the petty bourgeoisie from becoming proletarianized, and postpones revolution, but it reverses the economic developments required by revolution, at least from the Leninist perspective of seizing and nationalizing state capitalist monopoly rather than breaking it up.

>>2555563
>call me and tell me what to do, so I can do the opposite. Please give me all your plans, so I can sabotage you.
that would be very dumb.