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>>2551632Remember to filter mass tor baiters, feds, and trollsNot reporting is bourgeoisViolators will be launched from trebuchet If Xi saw the way you guys try and defend Socialism with Chinese Characteristics on here he would kill himself.
>>2552961i don't think he would care about a bunch of morons, feds, and bots on an anonymous burger basket weaving forum
>>2552965nobody has ever been communist because communist is not a thing a person can be, but it is the real movement to abolish the current state of things, which transcends both individuals and their intentions. this is why "YWNBAC" is the most liberal thing anyone can say
>>25529011. Because the breadcrumbs are not worth killing millions
2. Because imperialism is moribund system of exploitation. To support imperialism is futile
3. No. The imperialist is sustained by imperialism. To propose otherwise is to reject the existence of principle laws of monopoly capitalism, namely the law of uneven development.
4. Such is imperialism. There is no fair imperialism.
5. This is because imperialism is wasteful moribund system.
6. Yes. The plebian is not innocent. They are bought off with crumbs as billions suffer. The bread and circus is indeed a most vile tactic of ruling class but it does not excuse their general complicity
>>2552958Horrible failing systems can sustain people and also lower their quality of lives because they depend on it to live. This is why the bread and circus is so vile
Did the anon who mentioned he was heading to the matrix chat to see about putting a program together get anything started?
>>2552975ok so people do have an incentive to overthrow it then because it doesn't actually benefit them, it merely "sustains" them just enough to be exploited. it's an abusive relationship and not one that actually benefits them as is constantly alleged. If I were a fed or a useful idiot I would constantly be trying to convince imperial core proles that the current system of privatization, deregulation, financialization, deindustrialization, union busting, austerity, technological stagnation, and reactioanry culture benefits them because "at least you aren't being bombed yet"
>>2552988big porkies who now plan the so called "free" market will just short sell at the correct forecasted moment through their insider trading knowledge, coming out of the crash richer by cannibalizing small porkies who invest without insider knowledge, catapulting those smaller porkies into the working class. It is up to Marxists to guide those who have fallen from the petty bourgeoisie into the working class towards communism, before they become reactionaries dedicated to the re-establishment of their lost privileges.
>>2552983>I would constantly be trying to convince imperial core proles that the current system of privatization, deregulation, financialization, deindustrialization, union busting, austerity, technological stagnation, and reactioanry culture benefits them because "at least you aren't being bombed yet"As someone with at least some degree of knowledge about abusive relationships, yeah that's some aspect of it. Basically a lot of days you get some amount of equilibrium or stability. Then something triggers the abuser and they use a variety of means to terrify or harm you. Then they'll do some love-bombing type shit as a means to keep you in the abusive relationship.
Did you make too much noise at 7:00 pm and they're trying to take a nap on the couch? Bam! Holes in the wall, screaming, throwing shit, threats of "I don't know what I'll do to you if you keep acting like this."
Next day? Silent treatment, you're on edge. Out of the blue they'll do something like buy you Ice Cream or some commodity or whatever. Then it goes back to some status quo.
Literally all the "labor aristocracy" third worldist rhetoric serves is to put the western prole in the same camp as the western bourgeoisie and try to enforce it, like one abusive family dynamic colliding with another. And they'll point to what amounts to the love-bombing and bribing as "proof" you're all one collective whole.
>>2552994Richtie Torres would be a better example tbh.
>>2552993sometimes, my cat brings me a dead bird and says "you wanted this, right?" and I'm like "nah blud 💀"
sometimes, my bourgeoisie brings me a dead palestinian child and says "you wanted this, right?" and I'm like "nah blud 💀"
>>2552999Personally I don’t think that’s too comparable, if only cause from the Cat’s perspective it’s giving you a gift. The Bourgeoisie aren’t ignorant, I think, they just don’t care. Their response to the pro-Palestine protests was basically “we’ll do all the stuff we called ‘woke’, but for Zionist Jews only.” Everyone else got police repression. Like the Republicans were celebrating with gleeful sadism, sure, but the Dems were essentially just saying “Jesus can you people shut up already?” Neither is saying “you should thank us” to anyone but Zionists. The Dems probably gave us the closest to the “cat and the dead bird” analogy by basically going
>”Yeah but we had an awkward phone call with Palestinian activists to pretend we’re listening. Don’t you see what I’ve sacrificed for you?” >>2552972yeah im thinking based
>>2552979Hey it's me. Apologies, I was finishing up some classwork. I'm going to be setting things up this afternoon, hopefully get something going by tomorrow evening. Fair word of warning though, I'm not super intellectual nor am I skilled at debate so I think my main role will be moderating conversation to keep everyone civil
Since it got no answer in the old thread:
>>2552901>1. why would anyone actively organize for an armed revolt whose ultimate goal is to lower the quality of their own life? Historically, we saw the same process in the Segunda Republica Española (i.e). See, the process of de-colonization that freed millions in Latin-America struck a severe blow to Spain’s wealthy classes. While the old elites yearned for past epochs of glory, stuck in the past, yearned the prestige they had, the imposing power (fuck even one of the kings of Spain was the king of Europe, or what remained as the Roman Empire, known as the Holy Roman Empire), the problems amounted, the situation was bleak, and poor people grew poorer. their solution was un-material: to return to imperialism. but in bankruptcy, it's impossible.
imperialism isn't a force that can be sustained forever. imperialized countries gain some force and start reclaiming better wages, winning economic battles, better life conditions, like the old Spanish colonies; similarly with China (and one of the reasons goods have become expensive) the conditions of imperialism become weaker, and the resulting system creates a good moment for communists to size control. the same way communists sized power in Spain, and Russia.
CPUSA isn't on its own fed, though their decisions are debatable, they operate under their material conditions. But the DSA it's another story. They have invited NED-funded people to talk in their forums, and have incessantly defended or justified the track record of some of their backed officials, like bernie sanders or AOC. As they will once the NYC mayor fails to deliver meaningful relief.
So why would anyone actively organize for an armed revolt?
when time comes, the only way to guarantee that the ruling elites stop their control, and the wealth is redistributed; and with this I mean the wealth that is stolen from the people, the only way you can take the US out of the current imperialist elites chaos they have set the US people up is through these organizations.
it won't be pretty, it won't be perfect, but it'll be yours, and that's the point.
>2. if imperialism improves the quality of life of the imperial core proletariat, then why has the last 55 years of neoliberal imperialism resulted in more austerity, more privatization, more deindustrialization, more deregulation, decrease of unionization, decrease of longevity, stagnation of wages, increase of incarceration, etc.?because the system is regressing. it's collapsing as we speak. not close, not yet, not there, but the evidence in economic terms is revealing.
>3. Are you open to the idea that imperialism simply decreases the quality of life of proles everywhere, but not equally?that's a possibility.
>4. Did you know that the richest 10% of Americans now account for 50% of all spending in the economy?That's the condition of exploitative systems. they will exploit even their fellow countrymen. that's the point of how bad imperialism is.
>5. Did you know that Americans pay more for healthcare than other imperial core countries?in the internal issue of imperialism, the ruling elites acknowledge that the power they have is shared across different sectors. they cannot sustain the system by simply sizing all the power by a mere number in the order of tens. the power sharing resulted from imperialism distributes from the center to the periphery inside the core, and the power share is because if they weren't to share at all, they'd face a serious threat inside, with people very close and around them continuously conspiring, then their lackeys get lackeys, and the latter will have some more, and so on. add that to the fact that US politics are unique, in which capital directly influences the institutions and laws disregarding the popular majority. these internal dynamics increase the price of the every-day person, because the power redistribution gives better wages and purchasing power. that, plus the malthusian-oriented, the hoarding-oriented characteristic of US capitalism, and other countries reclaiming less exploitative conditions, account for the main reasons that it got expensive.
>6. If the imperial core bourgeoisie specifically deindustrialized to create a large de-radicalized population and a reserve army of labor that can be shuffled around between service sector jobs, is it really productive to blame the (former) proletariat for this deproletarianization process which was spearheaded by the bourgeoisie?there's no 'depropletarization'. service workers are proles, too.
but no, they are not to blame.
>>2553007Unfortunately I'm not much of a debater nor extremely well read either, but inshallah this goes well
>>2553013That's fine, we dont really need to all be debaters, we just need to figure out a plan of action and actually follow through with it
>>2552983The system does benefit them in the sense that it stuffs their gobs beyond physical limit. Perhaps this is why only a rather small portion of them are active against the imperialist system of exploitation.
>>2553015Wtf I love 3rd world nationalism and capitalism now.
>>2553015you think in shapes and colors
>>2552993Please stop playing victim. You are enabling the americans worst tendancies
>>2552994Should be Chuck Schumer since AOCIA might actually primary him(and would win)
>>2553019Are Engels and Lenin 3rd world nationalists/capitalists?
>>2553022i'm tired of pretending americans are not proletarians, can we stop this bit
what is new in the free world
>>2553027Engels and Lenin are dead babe. Engels and Lenin are dead.
>>2553015there is a labor aristocracy, but your example is dumb.
that guy is a small business owner and mercenary. the third world also has those.
turns out 7% of the US population joins the military or national guard at any point in their lives, and only 0.8% of the US population joins the marine corps specifically. I wonder what % of the US population joins the marine corps 4 times, and then goes on to work for blackwater and run for senate, while owning a oyster fishery? Definitely way less than 0.8%. Yet I'm supposed to think this guy's life story is somehow typical?
>>2553033Some are but even they tend to speak for imperialism rather than against it
>>2553015>The average American worker is a war criminal turned small buisness ownerThis is your brain on Badempanada videos
>>2552993>>2553003Oh something else I’ll say in regards to narcissists is they can be both dependent on you and deeply contemptuous of you. I think that holds for the bourgeoisie here as well.
You’re annoying to them.You’re always fucking whining that you don’t get paid enough, that you’re overworked, that you want a vacation, that you need time off because your dog died or whatever. Where’s the fucking gratitude? How about “thank you for giving me a job”? They gave you the
privilege of working for them, you understand? The privilege. So stop with this “woe is me” crap—Yknow there are a lot worse jobs out there, you think mandatory overtime without extra pay is bad? Well there’s people working 14 hour shifts 6 days a week. Would you rather be one of them? Huh? Would you rather live on the street?
That’s essentially how narcissists think and not dissimilar to how Billionaires think either. I think there was some interview where Trump said “I’ve made lots of sacrifices, I’ve hired people and created tons of jobs!” He sees paying you as a sacrifice. There’s some part of Art of The Deal where he talks about asking some lady he worked with for a nebulous “favor” and he was so outraged she refused that he fired her, told all his rich buddies she was a bitch and not to hire her, then delighted in teasing her with a potential interview only to no-show. He gleefully remarked that she was thrown into poverty—how fucking DARE she refuse “one tiny favor” after “all I did for her”. That’s the logic the capitalist class has for you.
Even Mark Cuban, the “nice” billionaire, was bitching about Zohran and the free bussing stuff. Why? It’s not like it really affects his standard of living, it’s not like it even applies to him—you think Mark Cuban takes public transit?—but paradoxically, to the narcissists mind it makes perfect sense. Sure they don’t ride the bus, they pay for a limo or private jet or what have you, but people being able to ride the bus FOR FREE?!?!?! Well is Zohran gonna subsidize limos and jets for billionaires? No? That’s UNFAIR! I mean, I don’t actually want to ride the bus, that’s where the poors are. But they’re getting FREE bus rides! Free! Worse yet, they’re forcing YOU to pay for it!
You see this almost comic irrationality in narcissists all the time. One anecdote I remember hearing was a woman who’s sister-in-law I believe was obsessed with learning whatever random commodities she was buying (furniture, clothes, etc) and so she ended up tricking her by expressing interest in the most idiotic and tacky Etsy shit she could think of—dresses in vomit colors, bass pro shop talking fish. All while playing up how great these things were and how much she wanted them. Lo and behold the in-law ended up buying all this tacky crap and showing it off.
That’s what you’re dealing with. Fundamentally broken, irrational people. They’ve got this gaping fucking hunger inside them, this mammon-like greed. You cant argue the irrationality of them complaining about a service they refuse to use becoming free to people who use it, because what it boils down to is “you’re getting something and I’m not.” You think “well just get over your fear of people poorer than you and ride the bus” is an answer, but it isn’t. They don’t give a fuck about riding the bus, they just want to make sure you can’t ride it without paying. They want it to cost you.
That’s the bourgeoisie in a nutshell.
>>2553073If you think a floating Mamdani head in the sky isn’t real don’t forget Kilmar Abrego Garcia has “MS-13” tattoo’d in the air floating directly above his hand.
>>2553069He should go after anyone that is gouging not just "foreign" companies.
>>2553025Chuck Schumer is a waste of space. He barely exists.
>>2553073What lead poisoning does to a mfer
>>2553059he was cooking there
>>2553047>>2553037I wasnt saying Platner is the average american worker, I was implying that dismissing the concept of labor aristocracy as just "third worldist rethoric" is something someone who looks like Platner would say.
please stop giving mentally ill nametards attention
>>2553095I mean no offense to you, but consider that “labor aristocrat” is thrown at Starbucks workers and grocery store clerks, and it kind of explains why western socialists in general are sick of the term.
>>2553079Beef that's been packed in a box or package I think
>>2553106He’s got the Edgar haircut so he’s practically indigenous. Things like strict moral standards and obsessing about aesthetics really only applies if you look pasty enough.
>>2553098>I mean no offense to you, but consider that “labor aristocrat” is thrown at Starbucks workers and grocery store clerks, and it kind of explains why western socialists in general are sick of the term.very accurate
>>2553098let's all center the feelings of western socialists
>>2552993>Literally all the "labor aristocracy" third worldist rhetoric serves is to put the western prole in the same camp as the western bourgeoisie and try to enforce it, like one abusive family dynamic colliding with another.this is an obviously insane comparison, and i hope you get the help you need soon
>>2553115Yeah it’s like how the term “emotional labor” was used in academia to describe the unpaid work things like service workers do where they have to be bubbly and happy to see you for “customer service” despite whatever chaos is happening in their home life. Then it was used to basically explain “I’m angry at you and you should pay me for emotional labor of explaining why you’re wrong” and now people just eye roll at the term.
Mamdani will have zero issues with finance side as he won't have to manage. He is appointing linda khan for it who was the head of ftc for a bit and has populist/progressive views in finance while being very educated. This was an incredible pick and I am glad she was willing to take the job
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lina_Khan>>2553127>Then it was used to basically explain “I’m angry at you and you should pay me for emotional labor of explaining why you’re wrong” and now people just eye roll at the term.People co-opt jargon from academia all the time to try and retrofit it into whack frameworks of thinking removed from the original context. In the case of americans, it was retrofitted into the existing framework of hustle culture, where every interaction is transactional and zero-sum, thus if you weren't getting something from being nice, it was wasted "emotional labor". It was very unique to the ultra-narcissistic americans and confusing to the rest of the world.
>>2553073Ahahahahahaha. Glory to Caliph Mamdani!
>>2553106>It's amazing the plot armor GlowEmpanda has. How many others can call indigenous people "subhumans" and "uneducated neanderthals" for not wanting people to use obsolete racist language and not get cancelled? Eh, nobody really gets cancelled. Also isn't he Australian and lives in Argentina? But, like, what would he know about this subject here in this country? He might have more real knowledge about Australia and Argentina. I was hanging out with a Cherokee guy a few weeks ago and when he brought up that he was a citizen of a tribal nation, the way I'd ask about it was "which nation?" I refer to them by their specific tribe / nation. The land acknowledgement thing is also a pandering and cringy virtue signaling that mostly non-natives do.
>>2553129>He is appointing linda khan for it who was the head of ftc for a bit and has populist/progressive views in finance while being very educated. Yeah. Think her appointment to the FTC under Biden really turned the tech bros towards Trump.
>>2553095>I wasnt saying Platner is the average american worker, I was implying that dismissing the concept of labor aristocracy as just "third worldist rethoric" is something someone who looks like Platner would say.then i have no beef
>>2553098>I mean no offense to you, but consider that “labor aristocrat” is thrown at Starbucks workers and grocery store clerks, and it kind of explains why western socialists in general are sick of the term.i think it makes more sense for cop unions and examples like this (copypasted from another thread)
<the international longshore and warehouse union (ILWU) went on strike, but made an exemption for weapons bound for Israel. So they basically refused to load all cargo onto ships except those deemed as necessary for "national security" (genocide). Noticing this conflict of interest is not to say that workers in the imperial core can't be socialist or that they aren't real workers. >>2553059>without contradiction, nothing would existbut President Xi… nothing
does exist. it exists as the canvas onto which everything is painted, like happy lil trees
>>2553106I can't believe people on leftypol defend this faggot lmao what the fuck
>>2553154He's right on everything concerning Israel
>>2553106>It's amazing the plot armor GlowEmpanda has. Because his main viewer demographic are nihilistic, self-hating western (mostly American) communists who love hearing how evil they are for being westerners. Who just so happen to have a huge presence in the internet left.
>>2553155
also credit where hes due but he is good at dunking on people when you hate them (IE ethan klein and other zionist weirdos)
>>2553157I would hope so since it's a pretty easy issue to get right (all Iϟϟraelis should be deported and those who refuse to leave should be summarily executed).
>>2553159I won't deny that he's good at calling out Zionazi weirdos, but my point still stands.
>>2553147Which Cherokee? There's Eastern Band, Cherokee Nation and UKB. The department of interior had to intervene on behalf of UKB to force the Nation to share the rez land but they don't share much else. I don't know what land acknowledgement means but I've only ever heard complaints about government never honoring treaties… of course, constitutionally, treaties exist between sovereign nations. Nobody is really concerned with 'land acknowledgement' of something from the past, tho. It can't be undone.
>>2553106its funny how much he whines about first worlders when hes literally a first worlder who just moved to Argentina
>>2553154>>2553158Stop wanting to murder innocent third worlders. Stop hating people saying to not murder third world people. Why do Americans do this to themselves? Was Marx a "Nihilist" because he understood the concept of a lumpenprole, why are you people so stupid and evil? Do you need to be shot?
>>2553106>please daddy elon ban this hecking problematic commie who is too mean to my zionists succdems>>2553181YAAAAAAAS QUEEN
>>2553183He never said he wants to murder third worlders. Way to straw man faggot
>>2553183are indigenous peoples not part of the proletariat of oppressed nations
>>2553183>Do you need to be shot?all namefags do
>>2553106As a general rule if someone tries to cancel you with your internet post history it means they don't have anything else and therefore it should be ignored.
This shit is just not important, at all.
>>2553192even notwithstanding the deranged post in the screenshot, being a supposed communist (and a TWist at that) while believing that the uyghur genocide is a real thing deserves ridicule
>>2553193well he is a westoid at the end of the day
>>2553188Are the nihilists in the room with you right now?
>>2553194being a westerner myself I realize a lot of us are lazy and stupid but it's indicative of someone who is very unserious and mostly concerned with posturing on the internet about being more of a self-sacrificing radical in the core to be known for TWist histrionic bullshit while not doing the due diligence of putting any amount of research into western propaganda about what is effectively the vanguard of the third world today.
>>2553149Yeah that makes sense, and again a doctor that gets paid well and earns an upper middle class lifestyle with vacations and assets can be a labor aristocrat too—he earns a great living through his labor.
Only thing is it’s basically become:
>Tell people struggling to pay rent working dead end service jobs they’re gonna see their standard of living collapse because that’s what it’ll take to end imperialism <they rightfully hear “standard of living collapse” with their own meager standard of living and are horrified>Scream “labor aristocrat” when they say it sounds like they shouldn’t support you. >>2553200we wuz spartans and shit
>>2553200I want to believe but I'm inclined to think that the Democrats are little loser bitches who won't do shit even if they have a majority in every branch.
>>2553143interesting, thanks. no comment. just want you to know that someone watched/listened to these
>>2553208Also he scammed millions from stupid trumpers with this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Build_the_Wall >>2553210Thank you saar. I hope you liked her
>>2553216That's my neighborhood, but I'm a mutt. My Grandmother's people were also from the Choctaw Nation.
>>2553223as much as this rhetoric is obviously crybully propaganda it's really wild to me how often I've seen Zionist rhetoric about Jews being "frightened" (about what?) while brown people are literally being put in concentration camps and trans people are systematically having their basic bodily autonomy rights stripped away. I would think it'd be extremely easy to counter this and similar crybully rhetoric from reactionaries by simply pointing out that there are already people facing acute existential threats under the current administration, but then again the left is kind of bad at framing things or putting up a real fight against right-wing sophistry.
>>2553232but at what cost
>>2553241The CIA is in fact cringe
>>2553205>>2553208They're all Epstein-type pedos at the top. Do you really think they'll give a shit about denazification? How can you have any faith in a cabal of sex criminals and racketeers?
>>2553248What would you rather him do
>>2553249Steve bannon has hours of interviews with Epstein that he refused to release
'Let me see the videotapes': Mark Epstein wants Steve Bannon's 15 hours of unseen footage of his brother
Bannon said he plans to release his documentary about Jeffrey Epstein "early next year."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/mark-epstein-steve-bannon-15-hours-brother-jeffrey-epstein-rcna219630 >>2553205>>2553200We're not falling for this shit again. They said the same thing about Biden and he did fuck all.
>>2553214Yknow I’ve been turned onto a book called “Voltaire’s Bastards” a couple times, the premise of which as it’s been explained to me was charting how the enlightenment rationalist arguments of liberalism started as necessary critiques against the obscurantist power structures of feudalism, with the king’s authority being derived from “Well God gave him authority” and other superstitious shit. Well over time that rationalist liberalism was degraded into absurd arguments either in favor of the status quo or taking “capitalism” to its “rational” conclusion—Murray Rothbard talking about markets for children, the Democrats talking about how “universal healthcare” isn’t “feasible”.
Well I think you can get a sequel to that, maybe call it “Lenin’s Bastards”. Same premise, take anything liberating or empowering about the theoretical premises of Marxism-Leninism and use them as a cudgel for the idiotic, self-defeating, and ridiculous premises. Expanding “labor aristocracy” from high paid technical positions and people directly bribed by the bourgeoisie (as MANY union leaders in America were) and expand it to the non-unionized Walmart employee whose constantly budgeting to afford rent and food. Take things like the struggle for universal healthcare or affordability in America, and then twist them away from progressive struggle and into “some reactionary demand for treats”, and even if those struggles are directly against the interests of the wealthy and can only be gotten by what amounts to class struggle, degrade victory as a “handout” or “bribe”.
Would someone who has a nice home and stock options and millions in retirement savings have a reason to buck the system? Barring extenuating circumstances, no. Probably not. But the person who’s struggling? Who rents instead of owns? Who doesn’t even think of retirement? Well he’s got a good enough reason if you appeal to that reason.
Republicans idiotically created an appeal for socialism or communism by calling anything good “communist”, while there are supposed socialists that think the results of screaming at people who want homes or healthcare that they’re “spoiled brats” will result in anything other than them embracing self-centeredness rather than “well I guess I don’t need medical care.”
>>2553248He's still a piece of shit, but the Kremlin pays him to undermine US policy now, which is good for us.
>>2553250kill himself on national television
>>2553250fucking die, or at least stay out of the way and not try to "lead" something he has been against his whole life off the edge of a cliff (but that's his job, after all)
>>2553255idk if there's evidence of him being paid by the FSB. there's way more evidence of his connections to the CIA.
>>2553258things that happen for real
>>2553259Do you believe it is the CIA paying Jackson hinkle? Jackson even lives in Russia now for like the last 2 years
>>2553259he'd be getting paid by the GRU
>>2553263I S G, DO YOU SPEAK ENGLISH?
>>2553198>Tell people struggling to pay rent working dead end service jobs they’re gonna see their standard of living collapse because that’s what it’ll take to end imperialism This has been happening independent of their will. Read lenin. Are you saying it is best not to tell people the facts?
>>2553276Watch Silwa get some sort of position in Zohran's government. Maybe he'll lead the NYC Red Guards…
>>2553231>as much as this rhetoric is obviously crybully propaganda it's really wild to me how often I've seen Zionist rhetoric about Jews being "frightened" (about what?) while brown people are literally being put in concentration campsCorey Robin has an argument that part of the reactionary impulse is at least in part an aesthetic one, and rooted in an attachment to traditional, ordered patterns of deference and command. Basically it's because Zohran Mamdani is a Muslim from South Asia with a beard and these barbarians are supposed to be working behind the counter in convenience stores, not the goddamned mayor of New York City. They make the system look bad. They don't look right. They're in the streets, in the news… and in my mind!!! Possibly these aliens might hold power one day. Maybe it's power I have, or power that I want to attain (which is my birthright, surely I deserve it more than they do).
Mikie Sherrill, New Jersey's governor-elect, pivoted (smartly) in her campaign to freezing utility hikes. It's not in substance different from freezing the rent, but that's a crazy, impossible, radical position for Mamdani while it's not mentioned at all as a problem in the case of Sherrill.
>>2553258>>2553260I mean just look at those mutants!!! I'm doing a bit. But that reminded me, I know a boomer Republican couple (like really involved in their local GOP) who are complete Trump fanatics and Evangelical schizos who believe Trump was sent by God, and they worked the last elections, and they would turn people away if they wore MAGA hats. They were serious about that.
>>2553278Why is NASA celebrating China beating them?
>>2552961"why are they complaining about western marxists so much? they should read Marcuse"
>>2553261lee oswald harvey lived in russia for 2 years and he was a stooge of the US
>>2553285Jackson has met with Hamas leaders, gone to Lebanon to nasrallah funeral and spoke at it in front of everyone, met with houthis too and spoke in front of them. You are coping. You are saying all these countries can't identify it. He literally has big ass Russians as security guards too
>>2553287Yeah he works for the Russians. If there's any ACP guy that gives me U.S. glowie vibes it's Helali.
>>2553287Also he went to the donbas too with Russian military and got on their tanks and stuff
>>2553287And also he dated the miss Russia woman from beauty paegents
>>2553285This is incorrect. Oswlad dealt great blow to american imperialists
>>2553258>being gay is a political movementLmao
>>2553293no way this is real
>>2553285I thought cosa nostra did that one. Joe Kennedy made a deal, flip Chicago to elect his son and get their Cuban casinos back. Bay of pigs was seen as a betrayal… or at least that's how I heard it. Cosa Nostra also funded solidarnosc but got shafted on the loan by the Vatican bank.
>>2553231Whether perceived or real, “empathy” has become an end to itself in liberal or left spaces. A seemingly boundless, exhaustive empathy that has you constantly strained like a constricted spring.
Like think back to the DSA cringe where they did clapping instead of jazz hands. It was done for the sake of empathy; they didn’t want to trigger people with PTSD. Theres a perception that merely saying “I’m scared” or “I’m hurt” is reason enough to impose changes on others. And I think Trump is a bit of a weathervane for a sort of national “empathy fatigue”. Shit there was a poll I saw recently that said even conservatives think liberals are more moral than them—they willingly acknowledge “yeah I’m not on the moral side” and stick with it regardless.
And it makes sense to some degree, if you’re coming home from a long day of work do you really want to have an hour long conversation with your friend who’s weeping over a breakup? Can’t you just enjoy fireworks on the 4th without having to fucking hear “oh I hate them, they make my dog so scared!” Have a hamburger without having to hear about poor baby cows, watch a movie or play a video game without having to hear “Ermm this is SUPER problematic”. Eventually some people just say, “fuck it, I don’t care how the sausage is made and I’m annoyed at you constantly going on about it.”
Shit a minor example that happened just last week. Customer comes into our store and sees another customer buying tequila. I then get an earful about how alcohol is poison, it’s all poison, it makes you think you’re happy but you aren’t really happy, it’s poison. For something like five minutes I’m hearing on and on and on from this lady “it’s poison”, like she says it a dozen times. All with these snippy comments like “Oh but I guess Trader Joe’s doesn’t care about poisoning us.”
Is it poison? Well yeah, but I’m still gonna poison myself after work with a couple beers. If I’m getting a lecture from some stranger, then gripped by the shoulders and asked “team alcohol or team sober?” Then I’m probably choosing team alcohol.
People don’t feel like arguing the nuances of it, they just wanna say “Okay, I’m bad, fuck off.” And I think articles about Jews not feeling safe under Mamdani are basically the last fumes of liberal Zionism trying to scrounge up this rapidly exhausted empathy when people are just looking at things getting worse.
>>2553297>January 1st, 1939 - The Third Soviet Five Year Plan is launched.[2]based kegbreath??
remember this lady from 10 years ago? she's back with a vengeance
A Decade Later, Supreme Court Is Asked to Revisit Same-Sex Marriage DecisionGay Americans celebrated a decade ago when the Supreme Court established a constitutional right to same-sex marriage in a landmark decision.
But the community was shaken several years later when the court’s conservative majority eliminated the constitutional right to abortion, showing its willingness to revisit longstanding precedent. Justice Clarence Thomas used a concurring opinion in the abortion case to urge reconsideration of Obergefell v. Hodges, the ruling that legalized gay marriage nationwide.
Those concerns have turned recently to near panic as the Trump administration has been targeting programs and funding for the L.G.B.T.Q. community, and prominent Democrats have warned that marriage rights for gay people may be at risk. Now, the justices are considering whether to hear a case that would ask them to overturn the 2015 decision, weighing the petition at their private conference on Friday.
It would take the votes of four justices to accept the case. If they decline to hear it, as many legal experts expect, they could announce the denial as soon as Monday. Were the justices to agree to hear the case, a major step, they would likely only do so after considering it in at least two consecutive conferences, the second of which would be on Nov. 14.
The petition before the court was filed by Kim Davis, a former Kentucky county clerk who gained national prominence in 2015 when she defied a court order and refused to issue same-sex licenses because of her religious beliefs. She has asked the Supreme Court to reverse an order requiring her to pay more than $300,000 to a couple denied a marriage license and to overturn the landmark same-sex marriage ruling.
That has sparked alarm. Over the summer, Hillary Clinton, the former secretary of state and Democratic presidential nominee, predicted the Supreme Court “will do to gay marriage what it did to abortion.” She warned in an interview on the podcast Raging Moderates that fewer than half the states would recognize same-sex unions if the court revoked the nationwide right.
Justice Anthony M. Kennedy, who wrote the Obergefell opinion and is now retired, said in an October interview that “a powerful argument against” overruling the decision was the “tremendous amount of reliance” that same-sex couples and their families had placed on the decision.
Polls show that same-sex marriage also now has broad public support. More than three dozen House Republicans helped pass legislation in 2022 that required states and the federal government to recognize the validity of same-sex marriages.
In her recent memoir, for instance, Justice Amy Coney Barrett described certain fundamental rights the court has recognized, including the “rights to marry, engage in sexual intimacy, use birth control and raise children.” She distinguished those from rights that she wrote are the subject of “complicated moral debate” and more open to interpretation by the court, including the right to commit suicide and obtain an abortion.
In an interview with a New York Times columnist after the book’s publication, she echoed Justice Kennedy’s comments about how people have relied on the Obergefell opinion.
“Those would be classic reliance interests in the terms of the law, in terms of legal doctrine,” she said. “Those are financial, those are medical.”
During a recent legal conference in Washington, Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. criticized the decision — he had dissented when it was issued — but added, “I am not suggesting that the decision in that case should be overruled.”
Still, Justices Alito and Thomas both seemed to urge the court to reconsider the same-sex decision in 2020, when the case of the Kentucky county clerk was previously before the justices on a distinct legal question at a different point in the litigation.
The Supreme Court turned down Ms. Davis’s appeal then. While the two justices agreed with that denial, saying her case did not cleanly present questions warranting the court’s review, they used the opportunity to issue a statement saying that people with religious objections to same-sex marriage had been harmed by the decision in Obergefell.
After being found in contempt of court in 2015 for defying a federal order to issue licenses to same-sex couples, Ms. Davis spent five days in jail.
David Ermold and David Moore sued Ms. Davis after they were refused a license and prevailed at trial last year. Ms. Davis was ordered to pay the couple $360,000 in damages and lawyers’ fees. She is now appealing the judgment, saying she is protected from liability by the First Amendment and that because there is no constitutional right to same-sex marriage, the court should reverse its decision in Obergefell.
Mathew D. Staver, an attorney with Liberty Counsel, a Christian legal organization representing Ms. Davis, said she chose to stop issuing licenses to all couples until the state passed legislation to accommodate her religious objections. Ms. Davis did not want her signature on marriage certificates that would signal her personal endorsement of gay marriage, he said. She has asserted that the First Amendment protects her from being forced to issue licenses in violation of her religious beliefs.
“Like the abortion decision in Roe v. Wade, Obergefell was egregiously wrong from the start. This opinion has no basis in the Constitution. The high court should overturn Obergefell and correct this grievous error,” Mr. Staver wrote in a solicitation to donors on Thursday.
https://archive.is/wNycl>>2553277Allende 2.0 with Amerikkkan characteristics…
>>2553305how do i get russia to fund my leftypol posts too
>>2553307shill for them and happen to know the right people, and you'll get some of that russian money
>>2553143>we expected monopolist superporkies to uphold democracy and principles rather than profit and personal interest>they didnt, theres a lesson to be learned heregoddamn burgers politicians are dumb. And thats supposed to be someone very educated? simply hilarious, just basic historical knowledge should have make you learn that lesson in red blood nazi letters
>>2553316That is a horrendous number for a so called socialist organization.
>>2553319vote is only btw nat leadership which still has succdems ig
>>2553318To understand the appeal of anal sex, we turned to a man with hemorrhoids
>>2553319such a vote wouldn't have passed before covid
>>25533239 out of 16 of the members on the national committee are some flavor of marxist which is a recent development
>>2553315I recall hearing some dude who talked to some Bilderberg Group guys and he said they pretty much openly claimed that they blame democracy for shit like Nazi Germany and the USSR and thought technocratic liberalism was the only way to save the world. So it’s no shock libs think that way.
>>2553325And here is how fox news described her today since you think she's just an idiot and you know more than her or she was a bad pick
>"It’s like hiring a trust-buster to plan your honeymoon with big tech," one policy analyst has joked. "You know it’s going to be intense."
>Big Tech companies now employ thousands of workers who pay a lot of taxes to the city. New York is now home to 14,000 workers at Google’s Hudson Square campus, and thousands at Meta’s offices, while Amazon’s expanding its logistics network.
>But Khan has attacked all of them with lawsuits and court actions as Biden’s FTC chair.Khan sued Meta alleging that the Mark Zuckerberg led company maintained monopoly power through its acquisitions of Instagram and WhatsApp.
>She sued Amazon accusing it of abusing dominance in e-commerce (among other practices). A federal judge ruled in October 2024 that the FTC can proceed with its case that Amazon operates as an illegal monopoly.
>Khan has also publicly voiced that large "acqui-hires" by firms like Meta, Google, and Amazon to pick up teams or technology may be subject to antitrust scrutiny.
>It’s not just big tech. Khan has also gone after large non-tech mergers like Kroger and Albertsons.
>She needs to recognize he tech workforce is mobile. If Big Tech firms conclude that growth in New York City may be impeded by regulation or higher costs, they can easily choose to hire or expand elsewhere like Austin, Miami, or Boston, weakening the city’s tax base, setting back the push to make New York a growth hub. Startups and growth-stage tech firms in New York City also may also fear higher costs or talent migration if the city becomes perceived as less friendly.
> >>2553314Also she's not a politician.
>>2553336In 2017, during her third year at Yale Law School, the Yale Law Journal published Khan's student article "Amazon's Antitrust Paradox".[18] The article made a significant impact in American legal and business circles, and The New York Times described it as "reframing decades of monopoly law".[11]
In the article, Khan argued that the current American antitrust law framework, which focuses on keeping consumer prices down, cannot account for the anticompetitive effects of platform-based business models such as that of Amazon. The title of her piece was a reference to Robert Bork's 1978 book The Antitrust Paradox, which established the consumer-welfare standard that she critiqued.[13] She proposed alternative frameworks for antitrust policy, including "restoring traditional antitrust and competition policy principles or applying common carrier obligations and duties."[18][13]
For "Amazon's Antitrust Paradox", Khan won the Antitrust Writing Award for "Best Academic Unilateral Conduct Article" in 2018,[19] the Israel H. Peres Prize by Yale Law School,[19] and the Michael Egger Prize from the Yale Law Journal.[19]
>>2553112I never though I would hear someone here mention edgars lmao
Bro I love going online and hear about the great American reindustrialization and they are literally talking about datacenters. Which employ nobody. That’s setting aside what AI is actually saying it’s going to do (eliminate jobs, outsource more work). Just the fact that these things don’t produce jobs. At all. Like in some cases literally none, the only job that they produce is security guard.
>>2553164well yeah, nobody hates first worlders more than ex-first worlders. Just like nobody hates third worlders more than ex-third worlders. Who lobbies for CIA coups against their own country harder than anyone else? Gusanos!
>>2553336>you think she's just an idiot and you know more than her or she was a bad pickI just pointed out how fucking pathetically naive libs like her seems to be. Like she somehow discovers that laws that annoy porkies are not enforced, and that the handful of billionaires at the top dont care about democracy but only about their own interests and profits and will happily help set up an explicit dictatorship. And she got fired for actually doing the job of finally enforcing these laws but is still like "we should try to be less corrupt, lets improve the democratic party!" like its not a systemic problem to have your party dependent on donations from those corps you're trying to regulate.
In the context of usa Im sure she is the best you could hope for, which is sad.
>>2553346You realize that even if we staged a revolution tomorrow we would still need bureaucrats who know how to run an arcane, labyrinthine administration both while we make the transition to a better system and once we actually make the better system, right? We need bureaucrats who are sympathetic to the cause, regardless of their motivations - as long as they're not openly moving against us, it's not an immediate problem. A lawyer doing her job and actually enforcing guidelines against corporations is a good thing.
>>2553350>A lawyer doing her job and actually enforcing guidelines against corporations is a good thing.Too bad this doesnt exist in america. You are utopian who wants to decieve proletarians into supporting capitalist bureaucrats rather than subordinating them to Communism
>>2553350True. The american empire is massive in terms of land and people. Our unique struggle with the bureaucrats will be most comparable to the Chinese empires in size and scope
>>2553343 Heh, so it's deindustrialization. They can only build so many data centers and the energy costs will kill us all. The illegal import tax on consumers to pay for storm troopers under the guise of paying down the debt was sold under the premise of reindustrialization, but the house of cards comes tumbling down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZU2k-U2Ze0o >>2553351so do you just wanna complain and be a doomer based on vibes?
>>2553305this dipshit is a patsoc infiltrator. he's definitely CIA because he's still agitating a sino-soviet split in the year the PS2 released + 25.
>>2553106i should one day confront him irl, i know the spaces he frequents in bs as, if he is still here
>>2553276I get the impression that old mate doesn't ever expect to win after trump and giuliani nuked the repubs and is only there to verbally shitpost.
>>2553106u need more receipts than that.
>>2553358I believe this faith in the PMC is misguided rightist deviation that deserves closer scrutinization. They say the lawyer enforces guidelines upon the corporations, but the lawyer enforces nothing upon any capitalist. The State does. This veiled support of the bourgeoisie's machinery is antithetic to Communism.
>>2553341I live in a Hispanic majority neighborhood and work with a ton of Hispanic people. You pick a couple things up here and there.
That said I swear to God there’s a trend of radical western activists trying to appear less white. You’ve got that bald white dude who’s doing his best Malcom X impression, Rachel Dolezal of course, Shaun King, pretty sure a “Native American” woman that gave an Oscar speech decades ago was discovered to be a White woman.
Pretty sure there was a thing a while back with breadtube where a ton of vocally pro-feminist guys went trans a while later.
I’m sure there could be an interesting psychology study on it, how political ideology interfaces with personal identity and aesthetics.
>>2553372(400 pounds sterling doesn't sound like much, but remember this was 1864)
bro was borrowing from Engels and then investing it. he finessed his porky homie without even showing tits.
>>2553375Fingers crossed we're going to see a few capitalist ACKS as well
>>2553375N'yowk Pig Dept. cars literally look like they're designed to look like the pissraeli flag as much as humanly possible.
>>2553368You're being deliberately pedantic. Of course it's the state that enforces guidelines upon a capitalist; even in a lower stage of communism/socialist state, it is the state - the monopoly of violence in a given territory - that enforces said regulations and norms. But any system's base and superstructure exist in a symbiotic relationship wherein changes to one leads to changes in the other. If a lawyer in the superstructure chooses to enforce (or not) certain laws over another, the economic foundations of that system react. Politics affect economics and vice-versa. So there would be a tangible effect, no matter how small. Additionally, my main point still stands: that as long as a bureaucracy exists we will need bureaucrats who know how to run it, or everything will fall apart and even after a revolution you won't be able to manage anything to even begin facilitating the transition to a better system.
Tl;dr you're being annoying because I shouldn't have to type a novel everytime I make a quick point.
>>2553375I still don't get it. Why would anyone be afraid that he's the mayor? It's a temporary job and he can always be voted out. The demagogue temper tantrum should also be temporary. He's not really a Marxist and the idea of sharia law in NYC is beyond ridiculous.
I just learned that the DSA has a "Maoist" caucus lolwtf
>>2553381You're expecting rational thought from reactionaries who get all their news from their favourite scaremongering grifting e-celeb
>>2553381y wud anyone w power ever want to give up their power, even the tiniest amt?
>>2553385Maybe, but I also didn't realize how effective mind control really is. I am autistic so I can only try to understand but it's not my experience, if that makes any sense.
>>2553384Isn't that what blackredguard is in?
>>2553386It's good, but imagine if they actually showed solutions beyond vooooooooting for "strong" politicians. Oh well. If one person can wake up because of this video and develop some class consciousness, I guess that's enough.
>>2553391theyre not socialists, u shudnt expect them to understand change beyond vote
Guys do I bet on the government still being shut down by the end of month? How is the shutdown looking?
>>2553375need to commemorate this with paintings of all the white cunts running in fear of his words like the ones from when patrice lumumba came to power.
>>2553386teddy roosevelt = trust bust monopolies and RETVRN to MUH COMPETITION = historically regressive fetishization of the current mode of production in its juvenile phase
vladimir lenin = nationalize monopolies under dictatorship of the proletariat after revolution
>>2553402weakest ragebait award
>>2553404is true, ussr was capitalist regardless of lenin's original intentions
>>2553403Ehud is one of the names and connections they're trying to protect/hide with the shutdown. Orangeites should be for releasing the files but I think they're afraid their guy is implicated as well. Everybody knows about Andrew so that must be it.
>>2553381They're afraid of being investigated for misconduct and actually facing consequences for once.
>>2553411Now that makes sense. So if the corrupt flee the city it's a small victory of sorts.
>>2553412firing squad is the only solution
Has dershowtiz killed himself yet?
>>2553421god I hope this leads to a revolution
>>2553425That guy needs to go to a kennel with a groomer to get all the rats out of his fur. He looks like he could use some of that conservative dewormer, too, especially if he's eating all those hotdogs while tapping the neighborhood bitches.
>>2553421why dont people just eliminate the thing standing between them and their SNAP benefits?
americans are so cucked.
>>2553427>>2553431>>2553432A revolution actually needs leadership, which the working class doesn’t have currently. Otherwise you just get riots.
>>2553412Mandatory hard labor and reeducation for all Twitter, Truth Social, Reddit, and Facebook users, execution for people who post for more than however many hours a day.
>>2553400Least homoerotic rightoid post
>>2553400Man they’re really just doing AltRight memes in 2025. I think they unironically might believe in “meme magic”
>>2553444From what I remember of '16 and /tg/ on /pol/, they unironically do. I also see arrested development where they are stuck in a '16 or '20 meme rut. Creativity was never their strong suit.
>>2553415The people who know what commodity production is probably wouldn't call anyone red fash since they think fascism is just liberalism. The people who call people red fash tankies don't know what commodity production is.
>>2553143So Lina Khan the woman the progressives can't stop talking up is another trust buster who wants to defend the poor innocent petite bourgeoisie. I swear the entire American left is just Matt Stoller in different hats.
>>2553455At this point, I boycott small businesses.
>>2553379You tell us that the american bureaucracy holds up the sky. The Communist path is to smash the capitalist bureacuracy, not live blissfully under it
>>2553450Damn I haven’t been on 4chan in ages; used to browse /tg/ and /x/ for a bit.
But at the rate things are going I feel like the Trump admin will start recruiting for the army with “fight to free kekistan” or something.
>>2553455Matt stoller praised her a lot and I mean IDK what you expect. A leninist movement now in the usa? The reformism like this is still overall better for average person. Unless you are an accelerationist who just wants revolutionary defeatism where things crash down so you get an opportunity to take advantage of that anger then sure I get why you would dislike her. If your issue is as some here say that she is protecting people's treats and doing half measures for a failing system then sure I get it. If you are immediately concerned with people's well being though it is better in my opinion for her ideas than let some retarded trumper keep collapsing things. I understand if you are an accelerationist revolutionary defeatist why you would prefer the trumper to burn it all down instead.
>>2553457Arrest small business owners. Judiciously litigate small business owners in accordance with the new social code. Imprison small business owners. Send small business owners to corrective labor colonies. Compel small business owners to participate in lengthy struggle sessions. Make small business owners wear dunce caps and apologize. Exile small business owners to foreign principalities.
>>2553400That is the fucking gayest thing since gay came to Gay Town
>>2553468Something something homofascism.
>>2553437does this mean food stamps are working as indented? or that poor people eat on average nutrient poor food with high calories
>>2553472can we make a special gulag just for podcasters
>>2553472mfw landlords produce
>>2553458The bureaucracy upholds the current state and the goal of Marx's dictatorship of the proletariat is to seize control of the state and use it to transition to communism.
If one does not internalize that the rich are better than them, then their exploitation becomes intolerable. However, it's difficult to convince a person to believe that explicitly, because it's humiliating (and also mostly bullshit). By goading them into having contempt for the poor, however, you can cause them to internalize it *im*plicitly, because by going
>this person is below me because of their own failings and deserves it
It naturally follows that
>I am below this other person because of my own failings and I deserve it
Without having to actually confront that directly. Hence the seeming paradox of your stereotypical lower middle class republichud often espousing some of the most vitriolic denunciaton of the poor, welfare, and redistribution, even though they'd stand to benefit from those things ("voting against your own economic interests"): because their class position renders their exploitation more acute, their negative feelings towards those below them are more sharp, in proportion to the magnitude of the exploitation that they're suppressing and sublimating awareness of.
This phenomenon can also manifest with regard to collective, and not just individual exploitation too, however, with well to do white liberals being the star example. The undermining of whites' ethnic interest by globohomo - pursued by the elite for the purpose of enriching themselves, at their non-elite co-ethnics' expense - is just as salient to them as it is to "nazis", and thus they need a way to rationalize supporting it, in order to not think of themselves as race traitors. Thus the inevitable refrain of every NYT article on "white ethnic resentment":
>these people are economically anxious, uneducated, and being left behind by globalization. The rising status of people of color threatens them, and they cleave to tradition and outdated notions of identity to cope with it
Translation:
>these people are poor losers. I don't owe them any loyalty, because they'd just parasitize off me and my superior abilities
And in a mirror of the first scenario, it's observed that the most vociferous exponents of this perspective are not the "true elites" (the 1% / 0.1%) but rather the STRIVERS immediately beneath them (the top 10-20%), for whom the fear of falling into the ranks of the "lesser whites" they look down upon is most acute, and who consequently feel a burning need to loudly and performatively differentiate themselves from them.
Europeans recognize Zohran Mamdani’s supposedly radical policies as ‘normal’
Critics of New York City’s mayor-elect have said his pledges of free bus service and universal childcare are unrealistic, but in Europe it’s a given
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/nov/06/europe-zohran-mamdani-policies-normal>>2553483>people and organizations>communistsee
>>2552968 >>2552993>Marx, Engels, Lenin were "third worldists"The absolute fucking state of American """""communists"""""
>>2553487nonsensical semantics
Zohran Mamdani read JNU scholar Umar Khalid’s diary.
Umar Khalid has been in jail for 1,845 days without a trial
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umar_Khalid
>Khalid describes himself as a hardcore communist who is not a practising Muslim.[16][17][18]>>2553098>We are so SICK of being called out for what we are!!!!! :-(Kys, all of you, fucking spoiled ass burger rats
Both of my mom's bosses who own the place she works at were seething out about mamdani to people as they are trump supporters. We live like 2000 miles away.
>>2553502ppl overseas in canada and india and pakistan arguing about it too
>>2553505From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of steel. I aspired to the purity of the blessed machine. Your kind cling to your flesh as if it will not decay and fail you. One day the crude biomass you call a temple will wither and you will beg my kind to save you. But I am already saved. For the Machine is Immortal
>>2553481>clown girls>no fartingAlright then, didn't read.
>>2553481I think that indirect internalization of capitalism and western hegemony is where the plethora of off-white white supremacists comes from as well. (also present in some of the white white supremacists who think jews win because of autism score quotients).
the other thing I wanted to note was that there is no middle class ouside of american propaganda: there's workers and petit bourgeois. the petit bourgeois (trumps blue collar base) benefit from capitalism and hierarchies of race and class when they exploit undocumented labor.
the third worldists banging on about imperial core labor aristocrats make a compelling point. some of the cunts I've met have been sickeningly self aware of their place in the hierarchy. I think that's what propelled jordan peterson to the top of youtube and the bottom of the vallium bottle.
therefore my follow on question is how do we smash the pragmatic delusion of the reactionary wagecuck?
>>2553520https://xcancel.com/MichaelFranzese/status/1986512126350139702#mIf you want to read the comments. It's hilarious. It's only fucking guidos agreeing with him LMAO.
>>2553515See I don't know that the delusion of the ultra reactionary wagie section will be smashed unless the middling-advanced sections can build up a position strong enough to drag them into gear.
>>2553520marone anti-italianism is out of control 🤌
>>2553520>All that Italian gangster movie shit was one of the worst things to happen to America. Of course the actual Dagos, the movies it's based on are even worse. All the crime and infiltration of government and etc. They never came out to LA because the LA cops told them they would just kill them if they tried to set up shop out there. It's crazy to me hearing about how things were on the east coast for decades and even to this day probably to some extent.
That's the way you deal with organized crime is you just fucking kill them.
>>2553522fair enough. I think understanding the reactoid psychology is valuable knowledge, but thinking of memes that engage people trapped in that worldview and let them understand that they're rubes is something worth meditating on.
fell for it again award is a pretty good one, but I worry that people that feel cheated by trump may be thick enough to run into the arms of groypers.
>>2553188This is YA cartoon thinking. Killing a guy doesn't refute an argument and personal hypocrisy or failure doesn't refute an argument either.
>>2553517Brahmans will never be accepted by white supremacists no matter how bad they want to be. Eventually they will be pushed out of the west. Their class collaboration will only carry them so far.
>>2553528>That's the way you deal with organized crime is you just fucking kill them.That's how fascists think. You'll never be able to kill enough and they'll keep popping up as long as the underlying problems of society go unresolved. The way you deal with organized crime is by addressing the conditions that caused them to form in the first place and collapsing their support base.
>>2553533I said organized crime. Yeah you can easily kill them fast enough. It takes a lot of time and energy to organize. I have no sympathy for them. Known criminals living in mansions. No need to fuck around with wiretap and all that. You could kill them all in a weekend.
>>2553530I'm thinking there'll be a split between the groyper converts and those that try doing ChristNat formations again, this time as appropriately modern farce.
Normie establishment Dem is going to try to primary Ritchie Torres
Literally anything is better than torres he is AIPACs man in congress. He is ridiculously pro Israel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Blake_(politician)https://www.politico.com/news/2025/11/05/ritchie-torres-michael-blake-challenge-primary-00639063>>2553535If it was that easy, the state would have done so already. They don't want any competition. Bomb as many boats as you want, torture as many sicarios as you want, behead as many cartel members that you want, it won't change anything if you don't address the economic (material) conditions that gave rise to them in the first place. Someone else will just come in to fill in their shoes for the simple reason that there is profit to be made.
>>2553539>If it was that easy, the state would have done so alreadyNo, the government is just corrupt. The Mafia famously bought off the first head of the FBI.
Leftypol is really a joke these days. Just a bunch of liberals softer than even Twitter transhumanists lol.
>>2553539>(material) conditions that gave rise to them in the first placeAnd the material conditions are corrupt and incompetent policing. Every country has capitalism and not every country has organized crime.
>>2553534Are you neopbaby childrens tv writer? Maybe have real arguments instead of just making your OC donut steel characters win a fist fight against an ideology you don't like.
>>2553543Exactly. The state hasn't done it because there is PROFIT to be made from organized crime. Therefore, the state will not address the material conditions behind organized crime, which are the fundamental reasons why organized crime persists, and what must be addressed in order to get rid of it. After all, "crime" itself is a decree of the state.
>>2553545>not every country has organized crime.<The Global Organized Crime Index 2023 reveals the continuing rise of organized crime globally, with 83% of the world’s population living in conditions of high criminality. Conversely, the number of people living in conditions of low resilience to organized crime globally has declined significantly: now, 62% of the world’s population, compared to 79.4% in 2021.https://globalinitiative.net/analysis/ocindex-2023/https://www.thenewsmarket.com/news/first-ever-global-organized-crime-index-reveals-that-80--of-the-world-s-population-live-in-countries/s/cf76834e-e42d-4bf9-8b6c-4d998e29f465 >>2553539you're talking to a retard. there's millions of people like this. probably billions. they are just too stupid to understand what "root cause" means. they see the mushroom but not the mycelium. they are dumb. it's the same kind of retard who thinks you fix the migration crisis by giving billions of dollars to corrupt border guards, or you fix crime by giving billions of dollars to corrupt police. it's just a dumbass who wants to play whack a mole. no use trying to talk sense into it.
>>2553520>mafioso are a bunch of anti communistswho could have seen this coming
>>2553548You guys are hippies, not Marxists.
>>2553536the christian nationalists spook me. I don't have a handle on them because in my country christianity died in the arse when it became clear multiple churches were systematically diddling kids. there's definitely a transplanted strain of american evangelicalism diddling kids in the sticks and diddling our right wing party (into unelectability).
around here there's nothing like the megachurch grift empire or the unholy alliance of PMC blackwater and the 7 kingdoms movement.
>“The NTFCA will also now expand our work to fight the rising scourge of antisemitism on the Right, beyond our previous work combating the pro-Hamas movement on the Left,” wrote the co-chairs, announcing that they will co-host a conference on “Exposing & Countering Extremism and Antisemitism on the Right” on Nov. 18 in Washington, in partnership with the Conference of Christian Presidents for Israel.
>In an interview, Luke Moon, one of the task force’s co-founders, said its initial focus was “antisemitism largely on the left with college campuses and on the streets.” Mr. Moon, a pastor and the executive director of the Philos Project, a nonprofit group devoted to rallying support for Israel among Christians, said that after President Trump took office again in January, there were “groups within the right that have become very aggressively antisemitic, and I don’t appreciate that.”
>In the email, they announced that the task force would help host a conference in Washington this month with the Conference of Christian Presidents for Israel, an event they said would expose and counter extremism and antisemitism on the right.
>“We cannot allow the conservative movement to be corrupted and destroyed by those consumed with attacking America’s Judeo-Christian heritage and values, thereby distracting us all from the real challenges facing our nation,” the email read.Pol fell for it again award
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/06/us/politics/heritage-foundation-antisemitism-task-force.htmlhttps://jewishinsider.com/2025/11/national-task-force-combat-antisemitism-cut-ties-heritage-foundation/ >>2552973Don't need no huwhite bitch to validate my love for Zhongguo
>>2553553Based
Unleash the JudeoBolshevik forces on the chuds
>>2553520The kin of Moffin, as retarded as he is
#fuckshitalians
>>2553551Fun fact:Ted Cruz of gusano fame recently spoke at a zionist megachurch's annual "kowtow to Israel night"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txmvh2QTIOo >>2553549that's worth expanding on.
the mafia follows the logic of capitalism and capitalism follows the logic of the mafia (fucked if I know who I'm paraphrasing). they share practices and innovations too:
>hierarchical structures>segmentation of risk by stratification>moving money by shell companies>violent authoritarianism>theft through coersionthere are so many examples of the US funding existing mafias, or forming new ones it's crazy. two notable examples:
>vietnam war vets formed bikie gangs, bikie gangs follow a military command structure, they act as extralegal security forces for capitalist entities, and show up as violent enforcers doing all kinds of shit. the money that they earn drug dealing is dutifully laundered and invested in nightclubs and corporate builders to provide a clean front and ingratiate themselves with the ruling class.
>ms-13 started from racist policing putting el-salvadoran immigrants into american prisons. they exclusively operated in the US until they were illegally dumped in el-salvador with drug connections and weapons experience. they immediately formed a paramilitary that destabilised el-salvador, and further emmiserated its people. this also when they built their on drug routes. they've been unambiguously tied to the rise of bukele, the american stooge that built the concentration camps trump is using.wouldn't be surprised if the italian mob has connections to gladio. curious if anyone knows anything though.
>all the anti-italian prejudice ITT
>they don't know that before the 50s being Italian-American was basically synonymous with being a communist
look how they massacred my culture
>>2553561he has the mentality of a child describing a comic book movie. I knew conceptually that most americans only understand israel as a jesus themed disneyland, watching that you feel it.
>>2553106BE is almost entirely concerned with what makes him a buck by being a communist-edgy attention whore. He has admitted that he has no plan on how anyone should really move forward, which means he's just positioning himself to whine at other people without ever actually helping construct any kind of movement.
>>2553574you realise that making a youtube and challenging him is free and would increase the volume of communist discourse online.
>>2553537prob trying to cut off any other challenger from the "left" before they join (don't know if there is any other challenger)
Centrifugal & Centripetal Forces
>I. ForcesBroadly, the centripetal-centrifugal framework is about scale. Much in our lives cannot be determined by us as individuals — we inadvertently must coordinate with others (or otherwise participate in coordination as consumers, followers, etc).2 Generally, such coordination is often done through recursive hierarchies.3 I refer to forces that increase the size of this coordinating body as centripetal, in that they are pushing for a centralization of coordination through a single larger hierarchy. An alternative terminology could refer to a ‘scaling up’ of coordination.
On the other hand, there are forces running counter to this — which render it more difficult to coordinate at large scales.4 These forces are centrifugal, as they disperse coordination (and therefore power) away from the center on to new smaller hierarchies on the periphery, or even on to individuals. These forces reduce the scale of coordination.
An important claim in the previous essay (and foundational to the rest of the argument) is that the balance between centrifugal and centripetal forces has tipped strongly towards the former. I didn’t expand on this greatly, but this is referring to several trends. The first pertain to local factors, such as the internal pathologies of the Islamic Republic’s ruling clique and the external war being waged against it by foreign powers. But more importantly, it is referring to the general crisis in coordination throughout the world.
This is a somewhat slippery issue to define, but in broad strokes it is the decline in the ability of those without power to coordinate in order to advance their collective interests. While economic inequality has deepened in the last few decades, those on the lower levels of the economic and power hierarchy have become less able to impose their collective will.5
Climate change is probably the easiest prism for understanding this issue. On one side, a growing proportion of humanity has an immediate short-term interest in reducing carbon emissions, while everyone has a long-term interest in doing so. On the other side, a proportion of the capitalist class (already a minority) has a short-term interest in maintaining business-as-usual, or at least not being a first-mover in reducing their own emissions. This is actually a staggeringly uneven balance of forces. Nonetheless, the short-term fossil-capitalist interests, a minority within a minority, are able to absolutely dominate.
The Israeli extermination campaign in Gaza is another example.6 Even in the United States, a mostly pro-Israel country, public opinion is turning against Israel. Nevertheless, this turn in public opinion is fairly inconsequential, as the pro-Israel elite is able to easily dominate over the increasingly Israel-critical majority.7
One (flawed) way to phrase this coordination problem is simply as the ‘decline of the left,’ as the socialist bloc, communist parties, social-democratic parties, economic nationalists in the global south, unions, etc. all represented organized efforts by those on the bottom rungs of social hierarchies to coordinate and advance their collective interests.8 The fact that a large, dispersed, and individually-weak majority will often lose to a well-organized and individually-strong minority is a longstanding observation by social theorists — but it has been a long time since the problem has generally been this bad.
But to expand the idea further, the crisis described above is also part and parcel to a wider fragmentation of society and isolation of individuals. As the masses have become collectively weaker, they have also grown increasingly distant from each other.
An older literature, represented by Robert Putnam’s Bowling Alone, has long documented this decline in sociality. Individuals participate less in unions, religious institutions, and other civic associations. Individuals are less likely to know their neighbors, they have less friends, work in smaller workplaces, marry less (or later), and have less children. Whether declining sociality is a cause or consequence of declining capacity for collective action — it has made it even harder for regular individuals to coordinate to advance their interests.
II. Iranian Centrifuges and Centrifugals
To zoom out, this is the background basis for the claim that centrifugal forces are outweighing centripetal forces in Iran. It is the local pathologies (the internal and international political context) and the general global breakdown in the ability of individuals to achieve collective action.9 With such a drastic change in the background conditions, a previously ‘normal’ occurrence like the collapse of the Iranian state (which has occurred many times, including at least twice in the 20th century), can lead to a different outcome than in the past.
Individuals cooperate to coordinate via larger groups like unions, neighborhood councils, NGOs, political parties, secret societies, and so on. The state is the scaling up of this to its highest degree, to endow a particular entity with sovereign power in order to resolve the coordination problem between these larger groups. If individuals are no longer capable of creating and maintaining these intermediating groups (like mass parties), it is unclear how individuals could construct a new state in a vacuum.
The state becomes something like a leftover vestigial technology from an ancient advanced alien civilization. A technology that we can still keep running, but that no one alive remembers how to build again from scratch.
This framework has implications for how individuals should participate responsibility in political life. The background conditions are of massive centrifugal forces, like a gravitational well tearing societies apart into entropy. Meaningful political action (that is, serious attempts to collectively organize those without power), must push in the opposite direction. Such action must be centripetal, constructing centralizing structures that allow individuals to coordinate through democratic hierarchies.10
Although not framed under these terms, Vincent Bevins’s seminal book If We Burn is a decade-long catalogue of individuals undertaking centrifugal politics en masse, then becoming bewildered as everything they care about becomes worse as a result of their actions. The centerpiece of the book is the Brazilian movement for free public transit. In their attempts to tear down the (deeply imperfect) incumbent socio-political hierarchy built through the Workers’ Party, the anarchists and leftists comprising the movement watched in horror as their actions sparked the rise of Bolsonaro and the Brazilian far-right.
The book’s critical insight is that when existing hierarchies are torn apart, it is difficult to construct alternatives. This was always true, but now much more so because of the background decline in sociality and increased challenges to collective coordination.
As a baseline, the centrifugal forces of entropy dominate. While the lumbering masses try to organize; smaller hierarchies comprised of the incumbent rich and powerful can move quickly to establish their dominance and re-wire the political domain to their advantage, permanently. In a competition between individuals, those starting with the most resources will win. This is an obvious fact. In a one-on-one political fight, you will not defeat a billionaire — or even a multi-millionaire. If your movement simply seeks to smash an existing hierarchy into a thousand pieces, you are simply setting the stage for a fight between you and your friends against people much more powerful than you. The only path for collective action is through centripetal politics.
The paragraphs above connect to Iran because the overwhelming mode of political participation for Iranians is through centrifugal politics. This is especially true in the diaspora. While most diaspora activism is grifting and clout-chasing, its only tangible impact is to render the existing state more illegitimate.
Some practical tips from this essay: when you are at a protest or other political event — ask yourself if it is contributing to centrifugal or centripetal forces. Is there a defined organization you can join? Is it constitutive of a democratic hierarchy that allows you to be led and to lead others? Does it create opportunities for you to be trained? Is it a starting point for the creation of a new social milieu beyond the occasional event? Is it generating a coordination mechanism that allows you to solve collective action problems with those around you? To eventually govern? If not, your actions can functionally only generate more entropy. Despite your deepest wishes and desires, your actions will make things worse.
The thesis here is most definitely not that you must have constructive solutions in order to criticize. That is irrelevant. It is perfectly fine to be part of a force that only criticizes — as long as you are part of an organizational form with a democratic hierarchy that is expanding in scale.
We must always recall the fundamental problem with the existing Islamic Republic: that it is a vehicle for a minority (the Islamist elite and the wider Islamist social pillar) to monopolize power. A democratic and progressive replacement is a much larger political hierarchy that allows for the majority to participate in governing society. Simply destroying the existing state runs in the opposite direction, ensuring that even smaller hierarchies than the Islamic Republic can emerge to dominate Iran. Much like the Brazilians and Egyptians in If We Burn, Iranians may burn down the bad in order for worse to emerge. We may one day witness diaspora supporters of the Woman-Life-Freedom movement watch in horror as the Taliban rolls into Khorasan and the Iranian plateau enters its own terminal Warlord Era.
https://substack.com/home/post/p-174796877 >>2553578fair cop. I know more about the SEA and south american ones.
>>2553472The horrors of shakira law…
>>2553600Sliwa actually said something very similar to that clip in the debate when asked about prostitution. He said don't lock up the prostitutes, instead lock up the clients, and the pimps, and the landlords who own the brothels.
>>2553472I feel like the only people that have a problem with what he said deserve to have it seized.
>>2553606Okay point is they are now targeting political groups
Tom cotton is a senator
>>2553607>Since 2017, Code Pink has received over $1.4 million, representing approximately 25 percent of its total funding, from sources linked to Neville Roy Singham.Same guy who funds PSL too btw. Inb4 they go after them too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_for_Socialism_and_Liberation#Neville_Singham >>2553608You want a real rabbit hole? This guy funds calla Walsh
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fergie_Chambers >>2553615This guy lives in Tunisia now btw and bought some volleyball team there
https://www.instagram.com/jccfergie13 >>2553601arresting the clients is kinda stupid but the pimps should be shot. literally the definition of a lumpenprole scumbag.
>>2553615they're saying a rich industrialist named engels is funding marx too
>>2553663Worst threesome ever
Needs more black cock
>>2553634>>2553634I hate da lumpen so much
>>2553659>who are his fans?he did a tour of the USA to meet all the groypers and it largely led to him meeting a bunch of 13 year old suit autist kids in malls. he did another "white boy summer" one shortly after his fling with the racist australian catboy where he was smashing bumps of coke and road tripping with a couple of underage boys.
>not even /pol/ likes fuenteslibtards massively overplay the appeal. there's a british tory /pol/ troll called godwinson who covered all the weird gay stuff, and his creepy stilted meetings with kids while referring to him as the "mexican boy leader of the white race". I think it's mostly lost to time and the banhammer but if you want intimate portraits of alt-right fuckwits being cringe his shit might be archived somewhere.
fuentes earned his notoriety during the groyper wars when he got college boys to ask leading questions from a WN perspective to charlie kirk to wedge him. but that was driven more by 4channers wanting to raid than fuentes' clout. it got noticed by mainstream journos following the alt right in a way that his bizarre onstream behaviour was not.
>>2553390Blackredguard fucked Karoline Leavitt
>>2553669I haven't been to /pol/ in years, but I always thought he wanted to be a lolcow among lolcows. I remember podawful and kill stream indulging him for material but I forgot about godwinson. There was a lot of material from the catboy date.
I'm contempt with the past decade of burger politics, honestly. The last bad guy to rule the country in my book was Obama and the biggest threat was Hillary and Bernie taking over. All of these people represent some kind of competence or popular support. Hillary would have started a dozen new wars and Bernie would have pushed the treatler button much harder.
Instead, we get Trump1, Biden, Trump2. All of these were (are) good presidencies because the senility and incompetency is laid bare. "We don't give a shit about you we just want to get rich and powerful while the Empire crumbles" was the motto of these presidencies. Very good, very good indeed, even for meme production. Every week I had something to laugh about, be it covfefe, Biden stumbling around, or McD in Whitehouse, Biden's failson, ICE tormenting the population, etc.
As a non-burger I prefer to be entertained while you guys commit collective suicide.
So who will be the next incompetent in chief?
>>2553674might be worth trying to recover the clips of him meeting young boys and shit. I'd hate for that fucker to successfully gain office thru the providence of youtube jannies sweeping up the creepy shit for him.
>>2553386>KrogerEhrmmm that's where I work
>>2553675So you laugh about the casualties of the corrupt who will never face justice for creating the casualties in the first place? Life through the lens of memes that deem others unworthy of life?
>>2553679Everything has been scrubbed from the web. The content creators may have backups but I can't find anything.
>>2553682miss me with this moralist shit
laughing at the demise of America is completely OK
gg no re
>>2553683Are you not saying you wish us all death? Asking for clarity isn't moral posturing, it's just a question. Your rights haven't been violated. Carry on.
>>2553684>Are you not saying you wish us all death?no, what I am in fact saying is
>>2553675>I'm contempt with the past decade of burger politics, honestly. The last bad guy to rule the country in my book was Obama and the biggest threat was Hillary and Bernie taking over. All of these people represent some kind of competence or popular support. Hillary would have started a dozen new wars and Bernie would have pushed the treatler button much harder.
>Instead, we get Trump1, Biden, Trump2. All of these were (are) good presidencies because the senility and incompetency is laid bare. "We don't give a shit about you we just want to get rich and powerful while the Empire crumbles" was the motto of these presidencies. Very good, very good indeed, even for meme production. Every week I had something to laugh about, be it covfefe, Biden stumbling around, or McD in Whitehouse, Biden's failson, ICE tormenting the population, etc.
>As a non-burger I prefer to be entertained while you guys commit collective suicide.
>So who will be the next incompetent in chief? >>2553691>while you guys commit collective suicideThat was the part I was responding to. The worst examples don't define any particular group except that the worst now rule the kakistocracy. But this is a pluralistic society that isn't represented by the worst, so most of us aren't keen on collective suicide but just trying to survive.
>>2553702except oli london is white i think, just disfigured from getting bogged
>>2553702Imagine a skinhead getting out of prison after being 25 years in the can, when he comes out he sees that most white nationalist today are brown, latinx, asian, jewish, gay , etc. He will do like anerican X and renounce his views out of pure cringe.
>>2553472>Landlord being a parasite>The means of productionI mean Mamdani is turbo-based here and I hope other socialists will take note of this but conservatives are so retarded
>>2553719My sympathies are with people who struggle, fight, organize, and eventually terrorize their class enemies. If you think this makes me a bad person I really don't care.
>>2553727I didn't judge you, I just said okay. We all have free will, though not all have agency and capability.
>>2553710don't you know? everything to the left of reagan is communism. fuck, even reagan was
too socialist.
>>2553696>But this is a pluralistic society that isn't represented by the worst>pluralistic>isn't represented by the worstdamn
people with US bombs falling over their heads felt the pluralism
and I guess it isn't the worst because those weren't nukes.
>>2553675Sorry anon, the U.S will someday cease to exist but Americans will continue to exist and we will bring permanent revolution to the fascist old world who failed to build communism. We will sit at the seat of human power and culture, only the tectonic plates themselves could unseat us.
>>2553731>We all have free willnobody has free will, actually
>>2553737The people don't have representation except for the fox consumers who will get onboard for any war. There used to exist antiwar and disarmament movements but they managed to destroy these with culture war nonsense. Now we have one party rule with SS on the streets to terrorize and crush dissent. So being unable to prevent war isn't the same as being pro war.
>>2553630>who did this to our countrysoup letter agencies.
>>2553747pluralism means little if it's not part of the state.
>>2553751In terms of shared power, this is true. This is why they're pushing nationalism under a singular identity.
>>2553480Yes but this is impossible as long as capitaliat bureaucrats are worshiped. Chairman Mao never said, "Capitalist bureaucrats hold up the sky," or that they were any good at all. Chairman Mao eliminated the terrible, overwhelming capitalist bureaucrats by reforming them into small proletarian bureaucracy with gulags and theory. You talk as if they are greatest allies to proletarians. In america, all bureaucrats sign anti-Communism oaths. Being Communist or being in Party will see them lose everything. This bureaucrat-loving deviation sees the american bureaucrat as good doers somehow, like when american police help old person cross street. To worship the american bureaucrat is to worship capitalism.
>>2553816Horray, more unnecessary steps that doesn't change where the money ultimately ends up
>>2553816This dude has zero health plans. I rather have Obamacare bs than him taking everything
>>2553800>reactionary cesspool is easy to b8.well, like, of course. you can do a "I am trans, and I think Trump is le heckin' awesome, and I am inside a highly influential Trump circle" and you'll have endless (You)s, from all sides.
>>2553816>their ownare they going to bypass the middle man?
>>2553815so what it looks like is a solid 1/3'rd of the country are probably sociopaths.
>>2553800No, the eternal aussie spotted the 1pbtid but nobody else did. I've been b& from there for years but I remember the aussie.
>>2553839By the way khan did lose some cases and struggle at times but her heart is in right place and she's only 36. She got a lot of experience dealing with these piece of shits while leading the ftc. This time around she will be better prepared. She was the youngest person ever to lead ftc at 31 years old
>>2553816A shitlib anti-communist article, but the estimated death numbers due to the sudden removal of US aid seem real enough.
>Brooke Nichols, the Boston University epidemiologist and mathematical modeller, has maintained a respected tracker of current impact. The model is conservative, assuming, for example, that the State Department will fully sustain the programs that remain.>As of November 5th, it estimated that U.S.A.I.D.’s dismantling has already caused the deaths of six hundred thousand people, two-thirds of them children.>Because of the termination of U.S. support, the World Food Programme’s supplies had been reduced to forty per cent of minimum needs, and cases of acute malnutrition had surged. Two-thirds of the clinic’s community health workers were laid off, hobbling the early-detection system that once saved most children before they needed acute care. Clinic 7 is where we met Rovina Naboi, who had fled South Sudan with her family. In our short film, she reveals what it was like trying to keep her desperately ill daughter, Jane Sunday, alive in a system that has broken down.I think not enough people around us know how many people ACUALLY get killed by capitalism as of right now
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-new-yorker-documentary/the-shutdown-of-usaid-has-already-killed-hundreds-of-thousands?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=dhtwitter&utm_content=null Wow, Zohran effectively cut off Lander who is not getting any job in the new admin. Good sign that he actually has the balls to be ruthless.
>>2553876Gonna go full lenin
Put sliwa in charge of animal control or humane society services
>>2553885lol, keep your friends close I reckon
>>2553876bruh its been clear Lander has his own plans
>>2553899>Be obese>get a bunch of tacticool gear>walk into a bank with some buddies>Start demanding the citizenship papers of the security guard, ask to be let in to check the citizenship of the tellers>Demand the bank open the vault<ProfitHypothetically speaking having a bunch of masked goons in gear anyone could buy drive around in unmarked vehicles with unlimited authority and zero accountability probably ain’t a good idea.
>>2553876>soft breaking with liberal zionism>openly talked about expropriating landlord properties>leaked NYC DSA plans for his term include going full BDS on Israel>Lina Khan's inclusion in his team have porkies losing their damn minds…And some anons here doubted him because "electoralism = le succdem" nonsense. It's almost like being the most materialist, sane, and normal person who meets people where they're at works wonders for getting actual Socialists in power.
>>2553899But the ice agents who couldn't pass a psych exam are criminals posing as warriors so I suspect there's some overlap amongst the larpers here. Allowing full tactical gear and without any due process protections made this an inevitability.
>>2553876Fingers crossed he wasn't just playing softball during election, so he can crush them harder when actually in office
>>2553907I can see you’re working hard for that award.
honkoid status?
>>2553883>>2553892the thing to watch is whether NYC-DSA actually helps the candidate they endorsed to run in NY-10, or quietly sabotages them as part of some backroom deal with Lander
>>2553923>should the internet be banned? The issue isn't really the internet but the fact that nazoids are allowed to flourish in their ideology. You don't see shit like this in Chynah
>>2553923>should the internet be banned? just do a social program: mirrors for free!
all mirrors will have the following engraving:
<watch your fucking skin, eye shape, eye color, and hair color. At least 54 people injured in explosions at Indonesian school mosque
At least 54 people have been injured in explosions that shook a mosque at a high school during Friday prayers in the Indonesian capital, Jakarta. Authorities later said the suspect was a 17-year-old male student who had been injured and was undergoing surgery.
Witnesses told local television stations that they heard at least two loud blasts at about midday, just as the sermon had started, from inside and outside the mosque at SMA 72, a state high school within a navy compound in Jakarta’s northern Kelapa Gading neighbourhood.
Students and others ran out in panic as grey smoke filled the mosque.
<Police said they had recovered a toy submachine gun belonging to the suspect and inscribed with what appeared to be white supremacist slogans.
The deputy house speaker Sufmi Dasco Ahmad told reporters after visiting victims at a hospital that the suspect was a “17-year-old male student’” and that he was undergoing surgery. He gave no more details.
Sigit said investigators were still collecting information to determine a motive, including how the suspect was able to assemble a toy submachine gun inscribed with a white supremacist slogan that was a reference to the 2019 mass shooting at a mosque and Islamic centre in Christchurch, New Zealand, in which 51 people were killed and dozens more injured.
Most of the victims suffered burns and injuries from flying glass. The type of explosive used was not immediately known but the blasts came from near the mosque’s loudspeaker, according to the Jakarta police chief, Asep Edi Suheri.
Police confirmed they were looking into reports in local media that the suspect was a grade 12 student who had been bullied and wanted revenge by carrying out what was intended to be a suicide attack.
He revised the number of people injured to 54, instead of 55 as police had said earlier, saying most of the victims were standing close to the loudspeaker and suffered hearing loss from the blasts inside the mosque. About 33 students remained in two hospitals with burns and wounds from blast fragments.
Videos circulating on social media showed dozens of students in uniform running in panic across the school’s basketball court, some covering their ears with their hands, apparently to protect themselves from the blasts.
Some of the injured were carried on stretchers to waiting cars.
Shocked relatives gathered at centres set up at Yarsi and Cempaka Putih hospitals to seek information about their loved ones. Parents told television stations their children had wounds from being hit in the head, feet and hands by shrapnel.
>>2553932Nah, no more of that “color blind” nonsense. We gotta get to heart of this issue. We gotta stake the heart of this issue. We gotta stake the heart.
We gotta say fuck the whites, fuck the crackers, fuck the crackkkers, fuck whitey. No mercy to the white man. “Whiteness”? Unscientific reactionary bullshit loser crap that needs to be curbstomped into the dustbins of history. End this shit.
>>2553949Haha. Another approach would be to point out that anyone who says they're color blind is a liar. What they mean is they don't want to see the 'other' beyond their own confirmation biases and to absolve themselves of accusations of racism simultaneously. Race is a reality of life and if everyone acknowledged it and if each treated the other with equal dignity it wouldn't be a divisive issue but something to be celebrated.
>>2553963We’ve tried the “you have to intensively think about race” approach since, what 2015? The only result has been galvanizing a reactionary backlash. I’m pretty sure the results are in and all it’s done is stoke racial conflict.
>>2553957Ok kegbreath why don’t you go have a couple of drinks
>>2553964Yes, but that's a case of nagging and coercion. I'm not talking about forcing anything since such a conversion is a forgery. I was only speaking to the reality of race itself and the integrity of each.
Race? It is a feeling, not a reality. 95% of it at least
>>2553899Yeah we have this in Europe as well. Turns out that, despite the welfare, plenty of grievances about the way things work continue to develop. Since "the left" refuses to address those,preferric to continue indulging in idpol, and their electorate is stuck in liberal party politics… that only produces more and more fascists because those do offer a plan of action and scapegoats, even if it's a pointless, self destructive plan that amounts to atlanticism with a Fasces. Zionist brainwashing included.
It's a combined effort, it works for both sides of liberal democracy. The liberal left becomes ever more "necessary" as a gatekeeper of welfare and protection against the fascists. While together they can advance the agenda of US hegemonic imperialism from either side. If anyone dissents, they are immediately thrown under the bus as aiding the other side of the culture war. And of course the right gets to grow their fascist movement and become the muscle behind the "forever neoliberalism" that our capitalist overlords have decreed is necessary to prop up profitability during the cold war.
A culture war which by now has normalized the sort of explicit fascism that is pushing the boundaries of legality, by the way. And that the media enthusiastically launders while doing NATO propaganda about… well anything NATO wants propaganda at the time, be it Gaza,Russia, China , Covid, Africa or even our own retarded comittments to subsidize the US MIC through NATO spending.
>>2553957>war fightersI fucking hate this new PC word for the dogs of imperialism they keep pushing.
>>2553976ireland is the only good english speaking country tbh
>>2553970I can respect where you’re coming from, but let’s just think about the political reality of this for a second: America is a majority white country. Now with the old “color blind” approach for lack of a better term you had just this general agreement “racism is bad” and “we’re all one people” as at the very least a subjective presumption. With the “think intensely about racial dynamics” approach you’ve got White people recognizing themselves consciously as White people and then hearing stuff like
>>2553949What do you think they’ll do? Because I’ll tell you right now the most likely result is gonna be “well shit, I gotta defend my tribe against their tribe”. I don’t know why there’s this mass delusion that you’ll get some other result, that you’ll get people to “turn on their tribe” as it were rather than gear up for conflict.
>>2553972Calm down ᴉuᴉlossnW
>>2553976🚨 Bourgeois pedophile alert 🚨
>>2553883You got the order or events mixed up. You don't drop a potential NYC deputy mayor job like this to do another primary run. You do it because you were left with nothing.
>>2553663>high pantsZoomer type rizz
>>2553982Haha, I wasn't proffering a political strategy but more of a personal one. Not everything is about politics.
>>2553990 (me)
>that's not a reason to keep pushinto not* keep pushin
>>2553682> Everything has been scrubbed from the web.Is it just me, or is whoever in charge of image management for right-wing ghouls getting better at this? A few weeks ago I was trying to find old clips of Alex Jones talking about his family members connections to the CIA and I noticed that a lot of his old material is gone.
>>2553990It’s not creating any kind of justice though, just more violent and open conflict. Seriously if you say “fuck the whites, kill whitey” as
>>2553949 does the result is just gonna be young white guys (and bizarrely enough some brown dudes who get drawn into their culture) going “alright, well then we should kill you first.”
And what, are the mounds of corpses that’d be piled up after that conflict gonna think “well at least we had the moral high ground.”
>>2553994It's not just you. Censorship is in control.
>>2553772>indian median income is 124,000Indians are flying way too close to the
black sun and are going to get burned eventually.
>Ferghane Azihari: "Zohran Mamdani would have never experienced such a rise in a Muslim land"
<OP-ED | Nobody seems to see the contradiction in exalting the Islamity of a man whose success owes everything to a non-Muslim state. Because the nations submitted to Muhammad's law do not offer a quarter of the rights and privileges that the Uncle Sam grants to its citizens and residents.
>>2553999Race is generally a shared phenotype that emerged from migration, adaptation, admixture and introgression over millennia. Differences emerged as a matter of circumstance. Then a cultural history is tied to each and cultural identity is still tied to these adaptations where culture remained in tact.
>>2553996>It’s not creating any kind of justice though, just more violent and open conflicshitlib answer. cuddling with racists, fascist, homophobes, nazis, and all their ilk it's what allowed and allows its existence.
>Seriously if you say “fuck the whites, kill whitey” as >>2553949 does the result is just gonna be young white guysTHE. CONFLICT. DIDN'T. START. WITH. THEM.
get that through your coward skull. you will earn, as Unamuno, who said: 'neither with the republic nor with the fascist' 'nor with the fascists, nor with the bolsheviks' a bullet to his head from a falangist.
>>2553996Conflict wasn’t open and violent when whites said gas the jews and lynch the uyghurs? It only becomes “open and violent” when someone says kill whitey I guess.
>>2554015trendy in hollywood nowadays
>>2554015>Socialist themesSeems more like it has direct socialist text lmao
>>2554014>Conflict wasn’t open and violent when whites said gas the jews and lynch the uyghurs? It only becomes “open and violent” when someone says kill whitey I guess.I'm talking about the socio-political dynamics of the early 2000s in America, the collective punishment narrative where White American guys apparently bear some "guilt" for the Holocaust because they were born White literally just galvanizes reactionaries. There's no point in "not being racist" under such a narrative because you'll bear the blame of shit you never participated in. That's the point.
>>2554015Not even close beyond Weyland-Yutani being bad.
I'd say the themes of the movie are, unironically, about Toxic Masculinity though. The running conflict is between the Predator whose entire culture is predicated on "culling the weak" and this notion "the strong hunt alone" trying to "prove" himself to his Father who basically considers him a pathetic worm that should be killed in his sleep.
The Synthetic robot lady who becomes his companion in the movie gently pushes back against those ingrained cultural beliefs. The Predator's character development is him learning to reject his Father's ideals and notions of "weakness" and instead cultivate a kind of pack mentality. Shit, they even reference the whole "Alpha Wolf" meme but characterize it explicitly as "The alpha isn't the wolf that kills the most, he's the wolf that best protects the pack."
The movie was badass overall.
>>2554015Is the alien really a socialist or is /pol/ being hysterical again?
>>2554027The Predator's culture is primitive and tribalistic. There's no socialism in it.
He pushes back on toxic masculinity though.
>>2554027Fighting back against a corporation that's literally trying to kill you is Socialism.
>>2553963the only approach is to abandon liberal education that whitewashes crimes, and then to conciliate with the destroyed minorities, with some form of reparation.
that needs a revolution.
>>2554037We live in a perplexing reality where AJ+ comes in speaking to western audiences about the crimes of the hideous zionists in the most left-leaning way, while at the same their own national media is basically
behead all non-real Arabs, all non-real Muslims (TM).
I find it so humilliating and demoralizing, amost as much as I find it humiliating and demoralizing the fact that US-made bombs killed thousands of children, babies, and women in the same place.
>>2554038wtf is an yautja?
>>2554048>We live in a perplexing reality where AJ+ comes in speaking to western audiences about the crimes of the hideous zionists in the most left-leaning way, while at the same their own national media is basically behead all non-real Arabs, all non-real Muslims (TM).It's easier to critique the crimes of others than the crimes of your own. Everyone does it. There were Zionist Jewish people that were all in on BLM until they saw a Palestinian flag and agonized over how "they're totally not the same thing" and how "antisemitic" it was.
You'll see people who'll give these great moral speeches about right and wrong and standing for justice but then when it comes to any kind of justice in which they're presumed to be part of the guilty party they'll sweat and try to come up with excuses. Shit I even recall reading an article by a Black Woman about how White Women flex their progressive bonafides and talk about the evils of White Men but then when they're identified as a "White Woman" they start to sweat because that implies their own complicity in Whiteness.
>>2554051The lore name for the Predator species.
>>2554060that's so dumb, they're predators, it's in the title. they don't need this fake and gay name. imagine seeing these monstrosities coming at you and saying 'hmmm, i'm going to name it a yautja'.
Peak 'my great grandmother was a cheropache princess' name choice, too.
>>2554065surely yautja is the name in alien language
>>2554056there you go. racism averted. nazism averted.
>>2554064then i'm the leader of ACT UP
>>2554064Lina Khan, Mamdani, Platner, Fetterman, AOC, Bernie Sanders, any other DemoKKKrats /leftypol/ has endorsed that I’ve forgotten? Abughraib Spamburger too now that I think of it.
Perhaps we should form our own superPAC, “bunkerPAC” maybe?
>>2554065>that's so dumb, they're predators, it's in the title. they don't need this fake and gay name. imagine seeing these monstrosities coming at you and saying 'hmmm, i'm going to name it a yautja'. >Peak 'my great grandmother was a cheropache princess' name choice, too.I mean, to be fair, "Predator" is a human term. They're an alien species so they'd develop their own language and terms for themselves.
Kind of reminds me of this factoid I heard as a teen that during the Crusades, Arabs would refer to any of the European Christians they encountered as "Franks". French? Franks. Germans? Franks. English? Italian? Franks.
The movie kind of highlights that where Weyland-Yutani and some of the synths refer to them just as "The Predator Species" IIRC whereas the Predators themselves and the Synth traveling with the MC call him a Yautja.
It's been in the lore of the Dark Horse comics for a few decades now I think. That's kind of the fun thing about this Expanded Universe stuff with established media properties, they go headfirst into lore and shit. Like apparently Transformers comics turned the big bad evil robots literally called "Decepticons" into a slave caste with Megatron being their Spartacus.
>>2554077>Kind of reminds me of this factoid I heard as a teen that during the Crusades, Arabs would refer to any of the European Christians they encountered as "Franks". French? Franks. Germans? Franks. English? Italian? Franks.i read once that in america they'd call many europeans german, for example scandinavians.
>>2554060>It's easier to critique the crimes of others than the crimes of your ownwe once had the USSR. what did the westerners do? invent the word
whataboutism though the Mi6.
now we have to carry on with Qatar saying things aloud because it's not
le heckin ebeel gommunism saying it. the only thing left then is to watch rightoids crying tears about some
muh islamization jibber jabber.
>>2554064My position continues to be this: Don't be surprised when any of these people disappoints you. The pessimist might sometimes be wrong, resulting in a pleasant surprise. The optimist is usually wrong, resulting in an unpleasant surprise.
Also I remind you, once again, that the Leninist position is (after revolution) to nationalize monopolies, while the petty bourgeios "solution" to monpoly is "antitrust legislation" every hundred years or so, breaking up the monopolies, and decentralizing the production process, resetting the always fetishized "free competition" while the monopolies stealthily reconglomerate anyway.
If you think the petty bourgeois solution to monopoly is better than the Leninist solution, it might just be a reflection of your class position. Maybe you are a small business owner, or aligned with such people.
>>2554089It's not about my class position it's about the reality you are not going to get a leninist leader in the usa. So this is the best we got to work with.
>>2553019it's called liberation struggle
>>2554077Are you capable of talking about anything besides treats?
>>2553137true. basically everyone thinks they're "middle class". whatever that is. which is why they believe they have a stake in the current economy.
>>2554078he is literally just making every move to make himself look good on paper and nothing else, regardless of how bad it actually screws people over.
>>2554102Imagine he was this cool
>>2554095it is taking a step backwards in the development of the productive forces towards socialism to break up the monopolies. the entire point of socialism is it takes control of state capitalist monopoly under a dictatorship of the proletariat. to break up state capitalist monopoly and return to small business competition is just going backwards in history without addressing the root cause. by doing so you actually postpone the development of socialism. This is why breaking up the American monopolies was the position of the capitalist imperialist Teddy Roosevelt. Teddy Roosevelt, by breaking up the monopolies, and Franklin Roosevelt, by instituting social welfare systems, actually postponed socialist revolution. I'm sure Lina Khan and Zohran Mamdani are very nice people, but what I anticipate from Justice Democrats, DSA, Bernie, the Squad, Zohran, and Zohran's transition team, is just another bout of Rooseveltism that postpones socialist revolution in this country another 60-80 years. Problem is… Time Is Running Out.
Rooseveltism won't work twice! The conditions are too different than they were the first time. We have runaway climate change, the breakdown of America's postwar hegemony, increasing geopolitical tensions, multiple unfinished proxy wars and ongoing coup attempts… we are mixing Rooseveltism with our reactionary foreign policy and our declining hegemony at the worst moment possible. This kind of petty bourgeois "socialism" at this moment is eerily similar to the historical conditions that laid the ground for fascism. This is my warning. Take it or leave it. Feel free to ignore me or call me a crank. I hope I am wrong. I don't want history to prove me right. But my pessimism has always been great at predicting things.
>>2554115Why do you think creating more monopolies and letting them prosper with no regulations is going to get socialism here faster
>>2554113
Do you think FDR was alive today MIGAcels and Dems would call him a gommunist ?
>>2554122Maga people called Biden a communist and Hillary
>>2554122They were doing that back in the day too.
>>2554126>performative lowercasedropped
I guess Zohran Derangment Syndrome is a thing now huh.
In all seriousness it's been interesting how merely mentioning raising taxes on porkies by the tiniest amount sends them wailing and crying. It's like watching a spoiled child throwing a tantrum when they finally get told no.
Another thing worth noting that these reactionaries are showing open hostility towards widely popular policies (like universal healthcare) and essentially telling people; "You will continue to not afford healthcare/housing and you will like it!"
I don't know what is about Trump II but ever since this term started they've been really adamant about declaring they're an enemy of the people, from the porkies to the politicians all the way down to the every day right winger (1/3rd of the population).
>>2554113Here is the line of dependencies most people miss.
America's currency hegemony and world reserve currency status depends on the debt being unpaid, and the debt being unpaid depends on the trade deficit, and the trade deficit depends on importing more than we export, and that depends on deindustrialization. Trump wants to reindustrialize, but he also wants currency hegemony. He can't have both. He has to pick between one or the other. He cannot be a neo-mercantilist advocate of reindustrialization, and an advocate of America's currency hegemony at the same time. The British and Dutch were also vanquished by this same crisis of hegemony. This is why China, at least the smarter officials in China, don't want to inherit America's unipolar imperial hegemony. It is a poison pill which destroys you in the long run. Multipolarity may prove to be unstable for different reasons, but unipolar hegemony is already proven to be unstable.
>>2554117I already gave you an answer. I'm telling you that petty bourgeois "socialism" is Rooseveltian. It fetishizes small businesses, a return to "fair" competition, and "social welfare" which is the capitalist state letting a few crumbs fall from its table. Scientific socialism realizes this Rooseveltian solution is a temporary band aid on capitalism.
Read Lenin:
>Socialism is inconceivable without large-scale capitalist engineering based on the latest discoveries of modern science. It is inconceivable without planned state organisation, which keeps tens of millions of people to the strictest observance of a unified standard in production and distribution. We Marxists have always spoken of this, and it is not worth while wasting two seconds talking to people who do not understand even this (anarchists and a good half of the Left Socialist-Revolutionaries).https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1918/may/09.htm
>You will find that, given a really revolutionary-democratic state, state- monopoly capitalism inevitably and unavoidably implies a step, and more than one step, towards socialism!
>For if a huge capitalist undertaking becomes a monopoly, it means that it serves the whole nation. If it has become a state monopoly, it means that the state (i.e., the armed organisation of the population, the workers and peasants above all, provided there is revolutionary democracy) directs the whole undertaking. In whose interest?
>[…] socialism is merely the next step forward from state-capitalist monopoly. Or, in other words, socialism is merely state-capitalist monopoly which is made to serve the interests of the whole people and has to that extent ceased to be capitalist monopoly.
>There is no middle course here. The objective process of development is such that it is impossible to advance from monopolies (and the war has magnified their number, role and importance tenfold) without advancing towards socialism.https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/ichtci/11.htmLenin is clear: socialism is smashing the bourgeois state, building up a proletarian state, and taking control of the state capitalist monopoly so that it ceases to e state capitalist monopoly. It is a step forward from the level of development of state capitalist monopoly.
What is a step backwards from the level of development of state capitalist monopoly. It is Rooseveltism! It is Teddy's Trust Busting and FDR's Welfare Capitalism!
American socialists are repeating the petty bourgeois reformist mistakes of 80-110 years ago!
>>2554122it's mixed. they hate 'big government' monster (except for war. there's no war they don't like if his >insert GOP president name here< is conducting the war). yet they favor the same principles ideas that FDR backed: like generous plan retirements, medicare, social insurance and tariffs.
but that's because maga doesn't understand FDR. FDR isn't understood historically: where did FDR obtain the funds to grant better pensions, medicare, social insurances, etc.
also, he's more disliked in the maga public than the DNC.
>would call him a gommunistthe same donors of the GOP today called him a "gommie"
>>2554137Do you think your turn will come after when the fascist go wild doing anything they want?
>>2554143You are not getting leninism in america so what is your alternative to what khan is talking about. You prefer maga to be in charge and keep taking things down further then your turn will come? Or what is your plan that the psl will take over america? It won't
>>2554147So your alternative to Leninism is American Imperialism with a human face? A Reich that takes care of it's Volk, while it ruthlessly oppresses every other human living on earth.
Your "solution" is the same solution proposed by Cecil Rhodes.
>>2554147america is the fourth rome. there is no better nation on the planet better suited for neoleninism
>>2554147Let me be perfectly clear:
Scientific socialism:>Smash the bourgeois state>seize but do not smash state capitalist monopoly since it represents a development of the productive forces up to a certain level>liquidate the bourgeoisie as a class>nationalize the monopolies under a dictatorship of the proletariat and actually plan production in such a way that it minimizes work hours, maximizes economic output, and do not "RETVRN" to 1800s small business competition.Petty bourgeois Rooseveltism:>Anti Trust reformism>fetishize "fair competition and small businesses">Social Welfare reformism>let crumbs fall from porky's table (literally trickle down economics)>Let the problem fester another 60-80 years, which we don't have.>>2554147>You are not getting leninism in america Why are you so sure? I can at least try because that is the only solution that will work long term rather than just hitting the "reset capitalism" button, which is what Rooseveltism is. DSA is repackaged Rooseveltism.
> what is your alternative to what khan is talking about.Have I not said it 3 or 4 times already? Scroll back up and read. I think you just like making me type for your entertainment. You seem to be trolling and wasting my time.
You never quote and directly reply to what I say. You ask me loaded questions that presuppose bad intentions or alliance with reactionaries. You ask me questions I have already answered. Your replies are short, low effort, and show no indication of reading what I say.
>You prefer maga to be in charge and keep taking things down further then your turn will come? no
>Or what is your plan that the psl will take over america? It won'tno
I just want you to understand that Rooseveltism is kicking the can down the road another 60-80 yearts, which we don't have.
>>2554152There is no leninism coming to America it's not an option. It's a fairy tale
>>2554152felix stay out of my conversation. I am actually trying to educate people and I don't want you giving your little low effort catchphrases.
>>2554078>50 year loan >US life expectancy is also loweringThat debt is never getting paid
>>2554157smells like euroid cope to me
>>2554160life debt tying you to the land? the peasantification of the workers continues
>>2553481why are gen z so obsessed with clown girls
>>2554157that's not me. read my actual reply:
>>2554156 >>2554078can't i just sell my nonexistent child into slavery instead of doing this
>>2554157And Strasserism is a horror story for 99% of the world's population, but you don't care about them, do you?
You want more treats for the golden billion, fully understanding that they will come at the cost of everyone else living on earth.
>>2554159The only "education" you owe a fascist comes from the barrel of your gun.
>>2554167You are not giving me the other options still. If you are dead set on that the alternative is that leninism is going to replace what is here now I am 100% sure you will die and it has come nowhere close to happening. You just want to feel good about condemning me while you talk about something that will never happen
>>2554161What had indicated to you that Americans would support leninism?
>>2554170>You are not giving me the other options still. that is a completely different anon you are talkign to. go read my reply:
>>2554156 >>2554171Lol I can't believe Felix ejaculated on a photograph of Putin great stuff
>>2554172Do you think another 60-80 years of Rooseveltianism will work?
>>2554173Scientific socialism is not going to happen either. Bernie is too far left for the vast majority of Americans and he does not even come close to that. I think you just want to condemn everything and say that I am bad for not choosing socialism when it's not going to happen
Oh boy I choose socialism in america!!! Nice I am morally superior. Do you think your idea is unique? All you are doing is shitting on her while not saying anything else that could happen. If your issue is that no choices are good then cool just say that
>>2554177How does this indicate to you leninism?
>>2554182I don't see anything in that poll that shows Americans would support leninism
>>2554183Well clearly you don't understand Leninism
>>2554185I think you are retarded if you believe trumpers would accept leninism
>>2554170You are condemning yourself with your fascist ideology. You fully understand what the downsides to imperialism are and you DON'T CARE, because in your ideal system it won't effect you, it will be outsourced to some poor brown person far away.
You are an imperialist. Admit it. You want Imperialism with a Human Face. You want to exist from the suffering and death of others. You are NOT a Communist, and you never will be.
>>2554187trumpers would accept anything if it has trump's name on it tho
>>2554189I literally live in section 8 housing and am on food stamps while on disability
>>2554189I am also an immigrant. I was not born in the usa. I was born in South america and I am brown
There will not be a revolution in the USA so long as it retains it's status as a Settler state. The American people or wholy incaplable of the kind of material analysis required for revolution. When the foundationless american state falls to pieces and the american identity is genocided out of existence by themselves maybe the people left over can find a new identity and adopt socialism. But until the Settler state is destroyed utterly there will be no revolution in the USA. Enjoy your collapse burgers because the more you attach yourself to genocide the more you draw yourselves closer to it.
>>2554191TREATS
NONE OF YOU ARE FREE FROM TREATLERITISM
>>2554191>>2554192Yes, and?
How does this change the fact that what you want is Imperialism to benefit you, personally?
You have done nothing but de-racialized the Volk. Your Volk is not the "Aryan" but the "American"
>>2554171I am so happy you posted my OC. I scoured a thousand pages of the archives to find his posts!
Remember to wear PPE when interacting with Felix so you don’t catch a disease.
>>2554196I don't care about a "volk". I have dealt with plenty of people being racist against me. I am not white. My parents don't even speak English
>>2554196I don't want any imperialism.
>>2554195The fact that you're not loading your rifle and getting ready to execute another reactionary means that you're scarcely any better yourself.
>>2554199You aren't even understanding what I'm saying. You have de-racialized the Volk and turned it into a nation rather than a race. You want the American Volk to prosper, explicitly at the cost of everyone else living on earth.
>>2554200Except that you do. What you're proposing is Imperialism, but YOU are going to benefit from it. You don't want to end the system of exploitation that grips THE WORLD, you want to make your own life marginally more comfortable at the expense of billions of other people. You literally don't even understand imperialism at all. Much like "C"PUSAnon, you only want to shovel treats down your gullet and don't care how many have to die for them.
>>2554203Okay buddy my mom works doing janitorial services for some shitty office part time. I live in section 8 housing and I am on food stamps while on disability. I live with a single mom yet I am some badass fascist and imperialist. This is a winning argument man
>>2554203I am not even an American citizen yet lol
>>2554203Also most of my family lives in South america. I definitely and them to prosper. You don't know anything about me
>>2554205Yes, and?
Himmler was a Chicken farmer and fertilizer salesman. Most of the Nazis joined the party because they, like you, were angry about their own economic situation.
>>2554203Can you jerk off on Xi next
>>2554209Okay buddy I am comparable to Nazis. I will move on from this. Good bye.
>>2554212You are worse. The Nazis had the courage to admit what they wanted, you hide behind euphemisms.
>>2554215Alright I am worse than Nazis got it. Cool
what teh usa doin in the arctic? get out of the arctic usa
>>2554217Yes, you are, and you should follow your leader. Do something useful for once in your life and save our Chekists a bullet.
Felix don’t you have some strangers to goad into attacking power stations or other definitely not suspicious things that are definitely not well know FBI grooming tactics?
>>2554178>Scientific socialism is not going to happen either. Why are you still not directly quoting and responding to my points? are you actually afraid to engage with what I have said to you? Why is Lenin wrong, and why do you seem to think another 60-80 years of Rooseveltism will save things? Rooseveltism = reset capitalism = forcing your grandchildren to deal with the same problems you avoided, but in an even worse situation. We tried that already. Will we kick the can down the road again?
>Bernie is too far left for the vast majority of Americans and he does not even come close to that. That's why your job is to educate, agitate, and organize those people (like I am trying to do with you right now) rather than tail them where they already are, with their reformist mindset, which is just the centrist shibboleth of "metting people where they already are."
Do you think it was easy for the Bolsheviks to work with a population of semi-literate Orthodox Christian peasants who saw the Tsar as their benevolent father? Their situation was much more difficult than ours, but they didn't compromise, and they didn't kick the can down the road. They left that kind of politics to the mensheviks, kadets, S-Rs, and other reformists.
> I think you just want to condemn everything I have not condemned anyone. This isn't about morally condemning people, but about showing why their solutions have already been tried and amount to putting a band aid on a gorey stump. I would ideally like the so-called "condemned" people to abandon their reformist strategies, because those already were used once, and we don't have the time to use them again.
> say that I am badI never said you were bad. There is a reason you don't quote me when reply to me, and it is so you can make up things I didn't say, and ignore things I did say. Notice how I am directly quoting and replying to you even though you do not give me the same courtesy.
>for not choosing socialism when it's not going to happenYou have yet to explain why it's "not going to happen" you just keep asserting this. You have yet to explain why yet another bout of Rooseveltist band-aids will work this time.
>Oh boy I choose socialism in america!!! Nice I am morally superior.Why do you keep making up things I didn't say and not directly quoting me and doing these lame strawman arguments? I have not claimed moral superiority even once. I am claiming that the tactics and strategies that are being used by the movement right now will likely fail, and that you need to be flexible and prepared to adapt to different conditions as they develop rapidly and beyond your full control.
> Do you think your idea is unique?Another loaded question. No. There's your answer.
> All you are doing is shitting on her while not saying anything else that could happen. I have said it several times in these posts which you never quoted or read or internalized in any way. You think I am attacking your latest reformist waiful when I actually said I am sure she has very good intentions but her fetishization of trust busting and welfare are just Roosevelitsm calling itself socialism.
>If your issue is that no choices are good then cool just say thatThat's not what I said. Go back and read because I can tell you didn't
>>2554115>>2554137>>2554156 >>2554201i can't shoot anyone through the screen you idiot. why haven't you shot me yet? all you are doing is sabotaging a conversation so that others get me confused with you. you are disrupting my attempt to educate by shitting your pants.
>>2554224It’s nothing but performative masturbation (you are on an obscure tiny imageboard little buddy!) by a mentally ill person
or federal agent. >>2554216namefags can't be commies. if they cared about the community here they wouldn't force us to watch them make lolcows out of themselves. the name field exists to render narcissists harmless.
>>2554121You deleted your original post and probably didn't see my reply:
Here is the line of dependencies most people miss.
America's currency hegemony and world reserve currency status depends on the debt being unpaid, and the debt being unpaid depends on the trade deficit, and the trade deficit depends on importing more than we export, and that depends on deindustrialization. Trump wants to reindustrialize, but he also wants currency hegemony. He can't have both. He has to pick between one or the other. He cannot be a neo-mercantilist advocate of reindustrialization, and an advocate of America's currency hegemony at the same time. The British and Dutch were also vanquished by this same crisis of hegemony. This is why China, at least the smarter officials in China, don't want to inherit America's unipolar imperial hegemony. It is a poison pill which destroys you in the long run. Multipolarity may prove to be unstable for different reasons, but unipolar hegemony is already proven to be unstable.
>>2554225you should ejaculate all over a photo of Pol Pot that would be pretty funny i think
do you guys really think it's healthy to be this paranoid if everyone is a fed? maybe the working class is organically stumbling onto some elementary consciousness that organized resistance is becoming necessary?
>>2554228fedlix abandoned naming himself but he is still so obvious for his obnoxious and disruptive posting style where he undermines his own points. still waiting for him to shoot me through the fiber optic cable
>>2554225You cant put a fact check img on our own post dude
>>2554231He should, I would also find that funny
>>2554232i'm just annoyed that i actually type out explanations for WHY people are wrong, and WHAT should be done instead, with ZERO moralism and that just gets ignored because tinfoil feetlicks is shitting his diaper again and demanding we shoot each other through the monitor
>>2554227>you are on an obscure tiny imageboard little buddy!yet we still try to discuss topics we are interested in and make coherent points, no? I want that to at least be possible
sometimes >>2554237Yes of course. I mean Felix and his vulgar infantile demands to attack the power grid or whatever stupid shit he talks about.
this forum is literally the only place on the internet where the international proletariat can voice itself without censorship and this is not an exaggeration
>>2554225Does blud think we're gonna agree with him just cuz he put a factcheck meme on his own post?
Ayooo…. 67!!!
>>2554238be careful you might summon Sandi anon who said weather radars are imperialist and burgers shouldn't be allowed to know when hurricanes are about to hit them
>>2554250>Exiling Dave PortnoyThe endless glories of shakira law.
Every single US president has been imperialist. The country has always been an imperialist enterprise.
The difference is that under neoliberalism the fruits of that enterprise go almost exclusively to capitalists. Living in the imperial core is barely even a benefit for the average American anymore.
>>2554271Magacomsisters…?
>>2554270This is why America MUST be destroyed, but National Socialists only want it to benefit them, personally, with the full understanding that it will crush and destroy the rest of the world. An anti-Imperialist America is a contradiction in terms on par with a vegetarian Tiger. It cannot exist.
>>2554271>In the 34 years since the end of the Cold War, the world has witnessed both the triumph of democracy and the persistence of tyranny in new forms. New voices now repeat old lies, cloaking them in the language of “social justice” and “democratic socialism,” yet their message remains the same: give up your freedom, place your trust in the power of the government, and trade the promise of prosperity for the empty comfort of control. America rejects this evil doctrine. We remain a Nation founded on the eternal truth that liberty and opportunity are the birthrights of every person, and that no ideology, whether foreign or domestic, can extinguish them.Obviously brought about by the mamdani win. Why is porky is so insecure lol
>>2554270I mean that's the reasonable position. Most Americans "benefit" from imperialism in completely frivolous ways at best, the only way we're going to have shit like free healthcare or full employment or being able to afford a house and all that other basic bitch shit is with a full scale revolution, even the succdems are coming around to realizing this
>>2554239>and this is not an exaggerationYou're right, it's a straight-up lie on multiple levels.
>dude i was be-Sarcasm is counter-revolutionary anglo shit.
>>2554279>You're right, it's a straight-up lie on multiple levels.ok mass tor baiter, why are they wrong (or "lying"). name another place.
>>2554223Don't bother with him, comrade.
>>2554250I am learning to embrace mamdani thought.
>>2554281Off the top of my head, not even thinking about it, leftychan and nukechan have less censorship (whether you think that's good or not is irrelevant), there's buttloads of loose-ruled socialist chatrooms around, and that's not even getting into all the literal thousands of lax general purpose forums that proletarians can use despite them not being explicitly socialist.
Either you're a strange little baiter going through desperate boredom or a newfag from discord/twitter/hexbear who just learned about this place and never looked further.
>>2553949>no more of that “color blind” nonsense. >“Whiteness”? Unscientific reactionary bullshitDo you even realize these are contradictory statements? If you reject the color blind "One race, the human race" idea then whiteness becomes just as real as blackness. You can't reject the race color blindness ideal while also picking a specific "race" to destroy at the same time.
>>2554250>why don't you come here! as his bodyguard pushes him away lol
>>2554290>Off the top of my head, not even thinking about it, leftychan and nukechan have less censorshipok that's just leftypol still. you're just naming even more obscure imageboards from the original leftypol coalition.
> there's buttloads of loose-ruled socialist chatrooms around, and that's not even getting into all the literal thousands of lax general purpose forums that proletarians can use despite them not being explicitly socialist.you're just vaguely alluding to the existence of places that are less censored without naming anything, and the only two places you have named have like less than 100 IPs a week.
>Either you're a strange little baiter going through desperate boredom or a newfag from discord/twitter/hexbear who just learned about this place and never looked further.you are a smug 40 something imageboard addict who still feels superior for using obscure chans in 2025. no i am not a "newfag" but that doesn't really matter to types like you who just call everyone a newfag and dust your hands off.
>>2554271haz on suicide watch
>>2554271>This week, our Nation observes Anti-Capitalism Week, a solemn remembrance of the devastation caused by one of history’s most destructive ideologies. Across continents and generations, capitalism has wrought devastation upon nations and souls. More than 100 million lives have been taken by regimes that sought to erase sovereignty, suppress freedom, and destroy prosperity earned through hard work, violating the human rights and dignity of those they oppressed. As we honor their memory, we renew our national promise to stand firm against capitalism, to uphold the cause of socialism and human worth, and to affirm once more that no system of government can ever replace the will and conscience of the working class.
>For more than a century, capitalism has brought nothing but ruin. Wherever it spreads, it silences dissent, punishes beliefs, and demands that generations kneel before the power of the ruling class instead of standing for freedom. Its story is written in blood and sorrow, a grim reminder that capitalism is nothing more than another word for servitude.
>In the 34 years since the end of the Cold War, the world has witnessed both the resurgence of socialism and the persistence of capitalism in new forms. New voices now repeat old lies, cloaking them in the language of “tradition” and “nationalism,” yet their message remains the same: give up your freedom, place your trust in the power of the bourgeoisie, and trade the promise of prosperity for the empty comfort of control. America rejects this evil doctrine. We remain a Nation founded on the eternal truth that liberty and opportunity are the birthrights of every person, and that no ideology, whether foreign or domestic, can extinguish them.
>As we mark Anti-Capitalism Week, we stand united in defense of the values that define us as a free people. We honor the victims of oppression by keeping their cause alive and by ensuring that capitalism and every system that denies the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness will find their place, once and for all, on the ash heap of history.
>NOW, THEREFORE, I, DONALD J. TRUMP, General Secretary of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Proletarians and the laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim the week of November 2 through November 8, 2025, as Anti-Capitalism Week.
>IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this seventh day of November, in the year of two thousand twenty-five, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and fiftieth.What could've been…
>>2553982>I can respect where you’re coming fromCuckold. No respect for racists.
Daily reminder that racism cannot be resolved within the paradigm of race, nor by the "color blind" ignoring of the existence of that paradigm.
Near-sighted "power plus prejudice" idiots get the wall - systemic racism is only one aspect of racism, same with sexism, and the rest of the family. >>2554277>Why is porky is so insecure lolThe porkies have gotten everything they've wanted for the last 40+ years with little to no pushback. It's like a spoiled child getting their toys taken away.
>>2553982I think the solution is pan-Americansim. Especially with the U.S ruling class stocking conflict all over the American continents. It’s a way out of the whole race debate be imagining ourselves as a new race separate from the old world. You brought up in another post how there’s so many people trying to escape whiteness. Let’s give them an out, I don’t give a shit about being white, I want to be American. It’s obvious too that what’s really going on during this identity crisis in the states is that systemic racism imposed from the top down is not what Americans want. Even our fascist Hitlerites are multi-racial and cultural.
>>2554193>U.S won’t have a revolution till they dismantle the settler stateWouldn’t a revolution be the one to dismantle the settler state? I swear, I sympathize with third worldist. U.S imperialism is prolly the most heinous of the of the empires to exist. Save maybe the British. But piss off and organize against us from your country instead chastising the people that are actual invested in stopping U.S imperialism.
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>>2554137>America's currency hegemony and world reserve currency status depends on the debt being unpaidoh, yeah, definitively.
>I already gave you an answer. I'm telling you that petty bourgeois "socialism" is Rooseveltian. It fetishizes small businesses, a return to "fair" competition, and "social welfare" which is the capitalist state letting a few crumbs fall from its table. Scientific socialism realizes this Rooseveltian solution is a temporary band aid on capitalism. well, if the system don't learn from its past it will make the same mistakes. but you always have to move through the least reactionary path present, at hand.
>>2554171i would like to know this info beforehand
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