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>>2568993Remember to filter mass tor baiters, feds, and trollsNot reporting is bourgeoisViolators will be launched from trebuchet I have the same tattoo as Peter Hegseth
man what the fuck
>>2569814Damn. Now you have no choice but develop a disturbing and uniquely embedded hatred of women. Also need to start drinking a fifth of vodka every 8 hours to stay alive
>>2569816Trump would have glazed mao the same way he glazes Putin. All this is just game recognize game. Politics is more than just "unga bunga" and "fuck you we're enemies fight to the death". If you're too stupid to understand that, then there's a reason you're coping and seething with resentment on leftypol instead of actually having motion irl to change things.
Fuck Cuckdani
Nazbol gang status?
>>2569784>I think I'm fairly well-liked. I'll admit I could have brought up the recent merger as a point of contention, maybe I can mention that another time.So I think its important to keep a few points in mind: what (if anything) are you hoping to accomplish by discussing communism or socialism with your coworkers? Secondly, don't try to "convert" them.
What I mean by the latter point is this. Lots of people, but especially conservatives, have a quiet terror at the thought of having their identity overwritten, and that's how "new" ideals and "new" ideologies can be presented to them. What they're worried about is that they wont recognize themselves, that they'll "lose" part of themselves.
What I tend to do when I discuss Socialism with others, especially conservatives, is try to keep an easygoing air about me. I'm not the wild-eyed ideologue that wants to "brainwash" them or whatever, I just say in an almost laughing tone: "Ah shucks, guess you got me, I'm a dyed in the wool red." I think "Socialist" is an easier term to start with than going for the big-C "Communist"; which isn't to say be duplicitous, not at all! But start from the term that has already softly broken Capitalism's hegemony.
From there, the important thing is to present your case in a way where you aren't actively hostile to them or attacking their presumed ideals, but instead focusing on two things: love for community and coworkers, and a shared struggle against the upper class. Start with politicians, move on to some of the most noxious members of the capitalist class. Build that enmity towards the capitalist class using language they're familiar with: "Y'know you've got us busting our asses full-time here, and I'd like to say we work hard and then miles away from here you've got some guy on Wall Street who does what exactly? He eats out at 5 star restaurants, does a line of blow, then moves a bunch of money around. The hell does he make? What's he actually doing? Why's it worth a six figure salary?"
Invite questions, invite curiosity, be someone that gently guides people to class consciousness.
>>2569821we have to ruthlessy criticize the real movement which abolishes the present state of state things, and we have to abolish the present state of having to ruthless critique the way we abolish the present state of things, and …
>>2569832this is like saying "bolsheviks lost. Mensheviks lost. SRs Lost. Cadets won." in March 1917, except it's not even that cool because our tsar hasn't abdicated and our Kerensky hasn't ascended to power in a provisional government.
>>2569834truth nuke
>>2569830>Nazbol gang status?idk but i do think it's a weird twist of fate that trump met with mamdani the same week f*entes met with h*z
>>2569833Good advice. I was just dismayed by the anticommunist tropes on display. If I had any goal in mind it would be possibly forming a union.
>>2569840The most GOATED clip of all time lmao
>>2569835acp = bolsheviks
psl = mensheviks
cpusa = SRs
dsa = cadets
shit analogy
gem in log
>>2569842ok whatever, swap them around to your licking, my point wasn't to perfectly analogize each group
>>2569844no, i'm just wondering why your first instinct was to think the acp is like the bolsheviks
>>2569848
You're such a fucking loser lmao. You're the REAL communist mhm. You're so COOL and so much more BASED than the literal member of CPUSA.
>>2569852
Shut the fuck up you fucking retard lmao. Get over yourself and read Marx for once
>>2569852
There's literally a Marx quote like 5 replies into this thread that's almost directly calling people like you a retard but you're too self righteous to see it
>>2569856
>The state
the bourgeois state
read lenin, but fr this time
>>2569840I don't disagree with the well deserved condescension. But IMO much of the latest "overconfidence" and extroversion are a product of media and propaganda exacerbating that cultural trend where it's present for profit.
The ideal consumer of media is some kind of Aspergers person autistically dedicated to the social mechanics and with zero self-awreness.
>>2569858I actually think it's OK to be encouraging and kind to children, the US tendency towards "participation awards" notwithstanding. There's a balance.
>>2569856
Midwit take. Lenin would call you a larping dumbass at most, but usually just ignore people like you. If you were around in 1900s you'd criticize Lenin for the NEP and all the deals he made with the enemy in order to win. America isn't Russia, and the people who tried to copy Lenin exactly failed miserably here for that exact reason.
People like you are myopic and completely ignorant of the real history of, and unique requirements of socialism in America so much that you make us look like NEET autists who can't read a room to save their lives.
>>2569856
> The state must be smashed by the armed body of the proletariat, and it must be done within our lifetimes or we are facing human extinction due to climate change.
indisputable truth nuke that will nonetheless be reported to mods and responded to with puke nukes.
>>2569864
>Literally ad hominem
Mhm sure bud
>>2569864Backing you up on this:
> Obviously, out of such enormous superprofits (since they are obtained over and above the profits which capitalists squeeze out of the workers of their “own” country) it is possible to bribe the labour leaders and the upper stratum of the labour aristocracy. And that is just what the capitalists of the “advanced” countries are doing: they are bribing them in a thousand different ways, direct and indirect, overt and covert.
>This stratum of workers-turned-bourgeois, or the labour aristocracy, who are quite philistine in their mode of life, in the size of their earnings and in their entire outlook, is the principal prop of the Second International, and in our days, the principal social (not military) prop of the bourgeoisie. For they are the real agents of the bourgeoisie in the working-class movement, the labour lieutenants of the capitalist class, real vehicles of reformism and chauvinism. In the civil war between the proletariat and the bourgeoisie they inevitably, and in no small numbers, take the side of the bourgeoisie, the “Versaillese” against the “Communards.” […]
>Private property based on the labour of the small proprietor, free competition, democracy, all the catchwords with which the capitalists and their press deceive the workers and the peasants are things of the distant past. Capitalism has grown into a world system of colonial oppression and of the financial strangulation of the overwhelming majority of the population of the world by a handful of “advanced” countries. And this “booty” is shared between two or three powerful world plunderers armed to the teeth (America, Great Britain, Japan), who are drawing the whole world into their war over the division of their booty. - Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism, PREFACE TO THE FRENCH AND GERMAN EDITIONS
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/pref02.htm>>2569779I was trying to point out your saying universally common crimes is specifically reflective of America is why some people might call you third worldist. My being dismissive is reflective of years on imageboards and I shouldn't have treated you like an idiot.
>>2569781After many years of reading such stories I've become callous. Disgust is perfect legitimate reaction.
>>2569856>we are facing human extinction due to climate change.Billions will die from disruption of food supplies but how would total extinction happen?
>>2569872>Billions will die from disruption of food supplies but how would total extinction happen?trvth nvke. billions will die and who remains will larp as iron age warlords in the ruins of high tech civ. i saw it in a dream i had while on LSD 10 years ago.
>>2569873WO BU XIANG ZAI DONG MEI GUI REN LE!
>>2569872>My being dismissive is reflective of years on imageboards and I shouldn't have treated you like an idiot.ok i'm sorry too
>>2569881Yeah she's been getting sued by Brigette Macron for like a year because she's obsessed with non-stop accusing Brigette of being trans for no reason lol. True schizo energy
>>2569814what the fuck. He's doing the hanussem thing like hitler
>>2569891there was a true anon episode about this and its not just that she obsessed with brigete macron being a man. but she believes macron is part of some luciferian sabbatarian frankist cabal that belives the trans is the universal being that transcends genders or some shit.
>>2569913Americans will sleep easier tonight knowing that the peace president Donald Trump is protecting them from Venezuela.
>>25699173-day-anti-narco operation.
>>2569840It’s less of a dig when you realize donkeys dont have the symbolism in China as the U.S.
>>2569937What symbolism do donkeys have in America vs China?
>>2569938the glowies did outsourcing. even they cant escape the market.
William Brooke Joyce (24 April 1906 – 3 January 1946), nicknamed Lord Haw-Haw, was an American-born fascist and Nazi propaganda broadcaster during the Second World War. After moving from New York to Ireland and subsequently to England, Joyce became a member of Oswald Mosley's British Union of Fascists (BUF) from 1932, before finally moving to Germany at the outset of the war where he took Nazi German citizenship in 1940.[2
Joyce recorded his final broadcast on 30 April 1945, during the Battle of Berlin.[3
https://www.earthstation1.com/WWIIAudio/Germany/HawHaw'sLastBroadcast.mp3>>2569821Why do MLs keep posting quotes from Marx that reveal they themselves are faggot liberals?
>>2569850>You’re more COOL and BASED than a real (unconfirmed) member of a micro-party that was last relevant nearly a century ago and may still be stuffed to the gills with fedsYup
>>2569913Even if the USA nuked Venezuela the "intentions" would have been "good". That's all that matters to liberal morality, however flimsy or transparently cynical the pretenses.
>>2569853Oh where was his passage on sucking democrat cock and collaborating with the US gov to save capitalism?
>>2569964>Kill yourself for accurately describing stalinism Okay
Faggot
Nta
Ah yes
Another thread for burger faggots to argue why getting welfare through the democratic party is le revolutionary program Lenin prescribed and 100% identical to the worker’s party participating in a multi-party system to delegitimize said parliamentary system; which definitely isn’t pathetically outmoded in the 21st Century as proven by the utter faggotry of the worker’s and socialist parties that chose to legally participate in the actual non-two party genuine multi-party electoral systems over the course of the postwar 20th Century
Everyone in usapol should kill themselves fr
>>2569968>Everyone in usapol should kill themselves frThe only correct part of your ridiculous post.
>>2569968 (are) (a) (retard)
>getting welfare through the democratic party is le revolutionary program Lenin prescribedI type like that and have said that 12 times in this thread.
>>2569861>we are le differentthere it is
>>2569891everybody is gay for Brigitte.
i guess that joke's outdated now>>2569912lol flag
>>2569978>“I would hire this person if I were dead set on crafting Soviet style centralized control regime, instituting repressive policies and destroying the economy,” Very interesting
>>2569978The porkies really hated her at the FTC. Really think her appointment caused a lot of them them to throw in with Trump last year.
>>2569938>South Asia>NigeriaClickbait farming to make money. You can't make much but it goes further in those places.
>>2569840>>2569840If this is legit, then the Chinese have become as arrogant and patronizing as the Americans were to them in the 19th century.
How the Mamdami and Trump conversation went:
>So, invade Venezuela?
<Yes sir, Hail ᴉuᴉlossnW
>I love social democracy
>>2569986MTG getting out the Trump train cause now latinos hate her lmao
I am under criminal investigation for allegedly sending a death threat about Donald Trump's children. Thing is…I live in motherfucking Europe. They busted my place and took my computer and phone. Ridiculous and complete horseshit.
Trump can suck my dick from the back, Bubba style.
Tell his kids I said hi.
>>2570009Let me guess: Bongistan?
>>2569996Im pretty sure shes disillusioned by Donald sucking (could be literally) Netanyahus dick at every turn instead of helping ordinary Americans.
>>2570020Damn, when I hear about draconian internet shit it's usually the UK but I guess it's coming to the rest of Europe soon with chat control
>>2570009I'm so glad I'm not european. Every day is a blessing
>>2570022I was pretty sloppy and stupid with how I (allegedly) went about it, but I know for a fact they can't prove it beyond reasonable doubt. They took my Xbox knowing full well it had nothing to do with the allegation. They probably thought they could forensically recover an email address associated with me…but it's not linked to anything. Stupid fucks. Funny, I might actually get away with it anons.
>>2570027they took your treats too? those animals
>>2570012>instead of helping ordinary Americans>Trump helping ordinary AmericansYou tried lmao. MTG should kill herself.
>>2570009>for allegedly sending a death threat about Donald Trump's childrenIf you actually
did make threats, you're a fucking idiot. Not only is it a pointless way to get fined or imprisoned, it's also just a bad habit to be open with our enemies.
A few neo-Nazis in Aus got v& this week for making threats against politicians. They lose income to their movement, lose organizational efficiency, and more, for no good reason. Don't be like them.
Seriously, I wish da left had scrap of organizational discipline, like not using bourgeois-owned platforms to talk and plan on, learning how to safely protest, and not fucking fedposting.
>>2570028Tbh I think they took it out of spite because I wasn't saying shit to them and they knew they probably have no case. I actually do not believe it is covered by the search warrant they produced.
>>2570031Look man I got issues okay. Besides mental problems one of those other reasons was the global emergence of images of starving children to death in Gaza and the subsequent US bombing of Iran of which I was none too chill that day. Allegedly.
Anyway, I better not say any more not that they can trace this shit either.
>>2570034Had a guy who wasn't allowed to use any internet connected devices as probation conditions at the hostel I worked at, seemed like a bit of a fucked up punishment to be honest, how can you even survive nowadays without the internet? Let alone just a games console or smartphone or whatever that could theoretically connect to the internet.
>>2570031Things are honestly getting really bad now though in some places. It's getting to be that you can be prosecuted in some places for just sending mean tweets at politicians, you don't even have to threaten violence or anything like that, just 'harass' them. I used to laugh at Americans being so proud of their free speech like 10 years ago but honestly I do wish we had the 1st amendment here (not that it perfectly protects you either but at least it's something).
>>2569858Autistic people are usually some of the least prone to groupthink and social shaming but go off
>>2570036you massive retard, learn to use tor. please.
>>2569870>it is possible to bribe the labour leaders and the upper stratum of the labour aristocracyaka not a lot of people. Most of the US and Europe live in poverty.
>>2570041there was a guy recently in austria who got arrested and his electronics taken. he was at a jewish community event where the israeli ambassador made genocidal statements. and he recorded it and uploaded it to social media.
also dont forget the electronic intifada guy got arrested in switzerland. even these so called 'neutral' countries are totally part of it.
China just threatened to use the Enemy States Clause
If you live in any of the former fascist states you live under different classification under UN law.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Enemy_State_Clause>>2570049China could stop trading with germany or japan (or israel) and cut fascism in the root by extreme economic sanctions (who cares about civilians, they are all labor aristocrats) - but it won't.
I wonder why?
>>2570052China is a net exporter of capital to germany. does this mean europe is literally being imperialized rn
>>2570042Not falling into groupthink and social shaming when it comes to neurotypical social standards doesn't mean they don't do it within their own.
>>2569968Around 75% of USAPOL would be satisfied and jump off socialism if a socdem program like Roosevelt or LBJ came about.
>>2570036>images of starving children to death in Gaza and the subsequent US bombing of IranYeah, it's hard not to go nuclear sometimes, thanks for the warning
>>2569244>>2569226Zohran riding trump dick so good.
If you point that out, the dick riders will say youre the idiot because what else should you expect from their "reformists?"
However the dickriders just admitted that they are riding the dick for nothing. They know they have nothing to gain by riding the dick. So why do they ride the dick? Why do they justify their dick riding? Simple. Because they are dick riders. They love riding dick
The dick is so far up their ass that they think there is no issue, that they are not kautskyites, that they are not the biggest problem within left
>>2570065what's the problem with riding dick? you seem like you could use some yourself
>dick
>dick
>dick
>dick rider
>dick
and i thought bluesky was gay
>>2570067amerikkkans just chat like that, anon. Incredibly repressed peoples.
>>2570071Sounds like euroid projection to me TBH
>>2570082
how the FUCK is this possible
>>2570082
someone with an account check if its real
>>2570082
L M F A O
>>2570096Aaron mate, Gabor mate as well
>>2569840Is this "American Factory"? I've been meaning to watch it
Revolution status?
>>2570136bro writes like tyler robinson
>>2570136Least erotic erotica I've ever read
>>2570027Hope you make it anon. It's all fun and games until the cops show up
These things may get worse, with the EU giving looks at UK's porn passport thing. Anonymity for social media may not even be a choice in a few years.
>>2569800Honestly, I didn't expect this.
>>2570136anyone good at the RFK Jr voice and can read this out?
>>2570168based Sliwa spitting those truthnukes. He used to stage fake crime incidents on the subway in the 80s. he knows how the jig is played.
>>2570168imagine
con man is telling everyone that they got conned.
>>2570178Uphold the Sliwite line. Down with renegades
>>2570136damn. imagine saying this to someone.
The mind of a boomer porn addict is a terrible thing.
>>2570136You know at least when I do embarrassing erotic roleplay sessions with my oomfies, I make some effort to make it actually erotic
>>2570193Could this demolish his legacy long-term or will it just be one of those things where people are like "yeah that sucks but he still did a lot of important stuff"? The Michael Jackson effect.
>>2570193Reminder that there is no excuse to have not read "Noam Chomsky and the Compatible Left" by now
https://archive.ph/ITidH >Richard Bruce Cheney WAS an American politician and businessman who served as the 46th vice president of the United States
i cry everytime
like and share if you cry
>>2570195for a lot of people it settles the discussion on who's more based between Parenti and Chomsky.
people don't want to think that their ideology is driven by some guy associated with a pedo.
Parenti undefeated.
>>2570162> pink-brown allianceGlad someone was here to say it. NATOism is modern day liberal fascism.
>>2569988>these americans are arrogant, so play nice with them, so we can guide them to be betteryeah, that's arrogant, but not nearly as arrogant as
>let's put these guys into indentured servitude to build our railroads, turn a blind eye when locals lynch them, and then pass the Chinese Exclusion Act when they are done.I've noticed a tendency where people view the
slightest reversal of a historical trend as a total reversal. It's similar but not identical to thinking, for example, that being called a cracker a couple of times is a total reversal of slavery and jim crow. Hit me up when the Chinese pass Burger Exclusion Acts and lynch working class Americans living in China. That would be much closer to your claim that " the Chinese have become as arrogant and patronizing as the Americans were to them in the 19th century"
>>2570204Thanks
>>2570208At the very least I feel like I see fewer people flaunting "designer ideologies" now versus a few years ago, just regular American antisocial thinking again
>>2570168Honestly I think Trump is just a dullard and Mamdani is extremely charismatic and convinced Donald's goofy ass that actually social democracy is good.
>>2569944in America donkeys are called asses, or jackasses, which people are also called when they're being rude and stubborn. In America donkeys are also the symbol of the Democratic party. (not the anon, just answering your question, not really invested in the conversation)
>>2570220why be so optimistic? I'd rather be pessmisistic and wrong (pleasantly surprised) than optimistic and wrong (naive).
>>2569861>read the roomyou are only reading the room, while others are aware there's a world outside the room (america)
>>2570224Pessimism is the foundation of defeatism.
>>2570045>aka not a lot of people. Most of the US and Europe live in poverty.relative poverty to others in the imperial core, maybe, but not absolute poverty, which is defined internationally, I think as something like living on less than $2.15 per person, per day a day (as of 2022)
>>2570228hard disagree. you should do things even if you don't expect them to succeed, rather than declare you have already succeeded, and use them as an excuse not to do things. continuing to try even after demoralizing failure is the foundation of practical experience. having low expectations is the foundation of realism. people have unrealistic expectations, lofty unachievable goals, and give up after facing very little adversity. a person can fight even in a battle where they expect they might die.
>>2570216>in a matter of months, the same people who lauded student encampments as the peak of Palestine solidarity are now celebrating a mayor who rewarded the police commissioner who cracked the skulls of these protesters.actually existing pessimism (realistic, admitting we have a lot more work to do in an uphill battle)
>Honestly I think Trump is just a dullard and Mamdani is extremely charismatic and convinced Donald's goofy ass that actually social democracy is good.actually existing optimism (naive, declaring we have already won because mamdani did the 100 speechcraft meme on trump)
>>2570230>rather than declare you have already succeeded, and use them as an excuse not to do thingsI didn't say or imply anything like that. On the contrary I think optimism is a reason to fight even harder. People are a lot more likely to struggle if they think they can win.
>>2570216I fucking swear Nerdeen is a Zionist plant.
>>2570237>declaring we have already wonHow did I declare that we won? I just said that Mamdani seems to have convinced Trump of the reasonability of his positions. Even if it's true it doesn't negate the necessity of revolutionary struggle, just that it may lead to an easing of enemy pressure in one area of that struggle (electoralism and reform).
>>2570176sliwa is one of the more amusing characters i've seen in politics in a while
not quite '16 don but up therer
>>2570207Yep. NATOism is the patron of Latin American Counter-revolutionaries, Slavic neo-nazis, African comprador bourgeoisie, Zionist fascists, Guomindang revanchists, Hong-Kong liberals, Japanese and South Korean toadies, Cuban and Venezuelan gusanos and golpistas, and even as early as 1918 literally invaded Russia by way of Siberia to kill the Bolsheviks in their cradle.
On the few occasions America has aided revolutionary forces instead of reactionary forces since 1917, it was for purely opportunistic and imperialist reasons, but that barely matters, because the amount of time America has aided counter revolutionary and reactionary forces has been far more numerous.
>>2570242>How did I declare that we won? I just said that Mamdani seems to have convinced Trump of the reasonability of his positionTrump isn't "convinced" of anything except whatever he thinks helps him and his family. Why be naive?
>>2570246>when has pessimism ever accomplished anything? communism is an ideology of hope, not one of defeat.Let me clarify. Pure pessimism accomplishes nothing. "Pessimism of the expectations, optimism of the willpower" is closer to what I'm advocating. You keep fighting even if you are objectively doomed. My point is that being doomed is not an excuse to stop fighting, but also thinking everything is OK when it definitely isn't is a very bad way to fight because it hampers your strategy and tactics with unrealistic expectations. Fighting consists of setting very short term goals and pursuing those relentlessly, but if those goals are tainted with optimism you will rush stupidly into obstacles you pretended didn't exist. When holding a compass, and walking North, you don't just look at the compass and walk North with blind optimism, you look around you and make sure you're not about to fall into a swamp or roll off a cliff.
>>2570250>Guomindang revanchists,isn't KMT today in favour of good relations with PRC while the DPP libs are the ones who are in favour of rabid war? everything else i agree with.
>>2570244i find sliwa funnier than 2016 trump because he comes with far fewer consequences but is also just objectively a funnier and better person. and that doesn't mean i don't regard him as somewhat reactionary. i just respect him because he has actually put his skin in the game, been stabbed, been shot, doesn't mind appearing with the rabble and speaking with them. trump is just a catty pedophile billionaire who occasionally drops a zinger.
>>2570259yeah this is true i only call ROC gumoindang revanchists because that is how they started out in 1949 but the real life situation is more nuanced than my poetic phrasing admits.
>>2570241you can't say how she's wrong, you can only accuse her of being a disguised enemy
goofy ahh country
>>2570288ha! You just don't understand 5d chess, these votes were put forward by china and russia to make a political point, so we JUST HAD to vote against it and make ourselves look like irredeemable monsters to the entire planet
this is what was unironically argued when we voted against combatting nazism, racism, and xenophobia in 2020 and 2022 >>2570290
>Never consider new information
>Always shit and piss yourself when things don't go your way
<Integrity
>>2570242that's a lot of assumptions for stuff mamdani hasn't said.
the only thing said, without a push was:
THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE IN PARTY. >>2570216Bro just let mamdani cook, is he good is he bad is he more good than bad is he a sell out? We dont fucking know yet, why did we lose with him winning?
>>2570298Isn't this true of basically every country with a functioning SocDem party(i.e. most countries)?
>>2570298no, you don't understand, it's just
realpolitik … umm what did you expect zohran to do, kill trump? ummm i know you weren't saying that but it's clearly implied so i get to accuse you of saying that. what so are you saying total burger death? are you saying kill all burger babies? are you saying we should actually do revolutionary realpolitik instead of reformist "realpolitik"? ha! how navie of you! how defeatist of you!
>>2570298What should /ourguy/ do if he gets elected?
>>2570298Reminder btw that Zohran's campaign managers, Fight Agency, also managed Fetterman's campaign, and are managing Platner's campaign. Fight Agency's explicit goal is to use working class aesthetics to get people voting democrat again. It's Sheepdog: The Agency.
>>2570307you can fake these with a VPN.
>>2570313it exposes old established accounts with the country they were made in
>>2570294
>>2570290
>>2570315
reported for being a retard
>>2570315
>>2570294
>>2570290
isg pls
>>2570317see
>>2570082 the user goes refreshes and goes back and forth to the page which would clear any dev tools modification. anyways, elon's a bitch and turned the feature off
>>2570325>elon's a bitch and turned the feature offwell there's your actual proof. videos and screenshots are faked easily, motivations not so much. if they turned the feature off (like they did with Hebrew translation) then they definitely don't want folks poking around
>>2570328this white woman had done more anti imperialist praxis than anyone on here. she has actually risked her self sabotaging US military equipment and has visited America's enemies. all you do is sneer at tweet screenshots and repost them for smuggy feels
>Listen to last ep. of Chapo Trap House
>Brain damaged Christman reads out some kind of pooetry wherein everything said is a metaphor for sg else??
>Chapo fangroup eats it up
I'm like: the fuck are we even talking about, dude?!
>>2570328also she's quoting stalin. would you crow "white woman moment" if stalin said it? very telling.
>>2570334Reformism for more treats!!
>>2570332I dont thinks she's right about this
>>2570338why is she wrong. use a real argument besides her being "white woman" like an idpol lib
>>2570328I honestly can't think of a definition of national socialism that mamdani fits
>>2570341forget about mamdani, aoc, bernie, platner, the squad. for american imperialism to be defeated you have to run candidates in an independent working class, on the one hand, while also doing "underground work" on the side… i.e the things everyone here is afraid to do, but which Calla Walsh, in her early 20s, has already done multiple times. I have way more respect for someone who sabotages US military equipment, even if they sound a little "shrill" accusing Mamdani of being a fascist, than I have for people who just soyface at the latest round of sheepdogs managed by fight agency.
>>2570317I am talking about getting into the real account, not the pictures. I don't give opinions or assessments from screenshots or captures, I would take my ass into vividprowess account and check, and Id find his account based on israel, because the fucking indian troll changed his vpn to israel.
>>2570347never forget the 60 million ukrainians that got killed in the holodomcast
>>2570328this is about as cringe as a high schooler quoting Ayn Rand
or JD Vance referencing centuries old Catholic doctrine
she is a very recent "convert" (Warren supporter in 2020) who like a lot of newcomers are very passionate and self-righteous out of the gate while not understanding shit about anything
>>2570345the featured shows where the account was originally created. if it showed india at the time, using a vpn now doesn't change that
>>2570343not all of us have billionaire sugar daddies like fergie chambers that can bail us out of legal trouble
>>2570347Goddamn where did they even get that number for "Islamism"?
>>2570340That wasn't me calling her a white women, I knew who calla is and I respect her.
I dont think the modern version of fascism is looking for allies in the small nascent social democratic movement in America
( i dont think the old line of social democracy being the left wing of fascism was that correct back in the 1930 even if the spd was traitorous)
I don't think that Trump and mamdani agree on anything I think they just started their meeting with a facade of diplomacy but both individuals and the movements they represent are on a collision course, the current moment of working class struggle in the this country is mamdani and the small electoral left, what comes next will be after the Collision
>>2570358there are two features:
'date joined' which shows where the country the account was created in. this is what matters for exposing old established account and the person using a vpn cannot change the original country that the account was created in.
the second freature is 'account based in' which is current location and can be changed with vpn.
>>2570363>don't think that Trump and mamdani agree on anything I think they just started their meeting with a facade of diplomacyExactly this. Won't be surprised if Trump cuts funding to NYC tomorrow
>>2570343I agree that platner aoc, and Bernie are either cooped flawed or insufficiently radical, I just give mamdani the benefit of the doubt until he makes more decisions and we see what kind have person he is,
He's early positions are encouraging, the rich really didn't want him, and he has some political courage, he's going to try to push his agenda and they will try to sabotage it.
>>2570366holly shit, you know shi about X's features.
>>2570366here's an example
>>2570371just admit you're a retard
>>2570328What do words even mean anymore?
>>2570376Yeah a little discouraging because they claim everyone is violent when they raid indiscriminately,
I
>>2570376But even then its still a wait and see, do they stay at only turning over murders and armed robbers to ice or do they just allow ice to do what they want?
>>2570347abraham lincoln is a communist?
>>2570351yes, and marx had engels too. what's your point. if you can find rich class traitors to help you, great. if not you still have to fight. that's what it means for the proletariat to wage struggle on their own terms rather than merely sending representatives to the bourgeois government through a bourgeois party running campaigns managed by consultancy firms. i don't know why this idea offends people here. they're bummed that i'm killing the afterglow of the zohran victory, but to achieve real victory in the real world you minimize the time you celebrate after each victory and maximize the time you spend planning and executing the next step.
>>2570373fucking smart-ass, you can create an account with a VPN, and the acount will say it's from the country of the VPN.
see for example:
it doesn't show you where the account was created, shows you the IP from where it was created. a very subtle but very distinct difference.
>>2570382The mercenaries will continue do as they please until ice is abolished. That doesn't mean the individual mercenary will elude justice, but they are also pawns in a bigger game where nobody wins but the elite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNUxAWjRkNo >>2570370>, I just give mamdani the benefit of the doubt until he makes more decisions and we see what kind have person he is,ok, that's fine, just remember to not be surprised when he acts like a person whose campaign was managed by the same agency that managed platner and fetterman, which he obejctively is. don't be surprised when his personal sentiments, which might be similar to yours, are hampered by the bourgeois realpolitik he is now objectively embeded in, since he is a democratic party mayor, despite his identifying as a socialist. The circumstances we are embedded in continues to be more relevant than what we want to see in the mirror.
>>2570391yeah no shit, i was saying using a vpn now can't change the ip location that the original account was created in. that's why i specifically mentioned old established accounts because most indians for instance would not have had the foresight to think x would install this feature so likely wouldn't have bothered with using a vpn while creating it. if the account shows india or israel at the time of original creation, that becomes fixed.
>>2570388he was america's mao zedong. he won the civil war against the
guomindang confederates. he freed the slaves in
tibet the south. he built up new democracy. he preached that labor is superior to capital. this is the truth nuke nobody was ready for.
>>2570390so at best, he will be a martyr like allende, and at worst he will be lassalle, seeking out a "realpolitik" friendship with bismarck.
>>2570389>>2570389Another way the Allende comparison is when Chiles factories where shut down by the rich to sabotage the political project, the workers in groups took them over, when the truckers striked stopped commerce in the country after getting paid by the cia the workers groups using what ever transportation that was there
And what ever communication to avoid the right wing road blocks,
Allende at 1st discouraged this participation in favor legal means but later he embraced.
An active left that is willing to take to the streets and is ready to do what the electoral left can't do ( if an elected socdom tries to feed the people and can't we need people who can step in and do it).
Then we can turn this win into a victory and repeat it.
>>2570399Or he will be a catalyst
>>2570397I don't think most of the bot troll farms don't use VPN even before this. many of them are state-threatening actors, and it would be stupid to not hide their asses. I'd do it., in fact, run over a couple of VPN and VPSs.
in any case, the feature apparently was removed, as in I can't see it in many accounts.
perhaps the account of the DHS showing Israel as a country of creation is triggered someone.
>>2570400>when Chiles factories where shut down by the rich to sabotage the political project,this happened in maduro's venezuela as well. the private sector refused to sell the people food during Trump's term 1 sanctions, instead selling all the food to colombia. The food companies literally increased starvation of their own people to increaes anti-Maduro sentiment. interestingly the US sanctions never applied to the venezuelan private sector, only state owned enterprises, as if to say "privatize everything and sanctions will no longer hurt you." America seeks to Yeltsinize everyone everywhere.
>>2570398adam smith said the same thing in 'the wealth of nations.' lincoln said labor is prior to capital (a lot of dsa say that as well) but that doesn't mean he thinks humanity should eventually abolish capital. lincoln did some right things be he wasn't a socialist
>>2570405>can't use bot farms for reviews<libs: "LITERALLY POL POT!"I think the more hysterical they are the better the lefts position is. Idk why old media hasn't figured that out yet
>>2570405the freedom for workers to quite their jobs and quit unwanted subscriptions are literally basic bourgeois "freedoms" which separate the proletariat from the indentured servant, serf, ro slave. I think it's actually quite bleak that the american situation has decayed to the point that
restoring bourgeois freedoms which were originally won in the 1700s and 1800s is now considered "progressive."
The bar is so low it makes the core of the earth look like heaven!
>>2570406yes i know. i was joking. i hoped that the sarcastic tone and calling my own post a "truth nuke" would give that away, but poe's law reigns supreme i guess
>>2570390Allende had his own party that was made up of a coalition of other leftists. Mamdani is operating under the delusion that he can collaborate with liberals in the democratic party.
>>2570328White woman theory and praxis in action
>>2570399>>2570402You know what's going to happen going to him? Go look at Bernie Sanders and AOC, that's going to be Mandani in a year or two tops.
>>2570413Calla is actually to the left of every single poster here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calla_Walsh >>2570414yeah that's what I'm trying to say as well but people don't like a party pooper it seems.
>TIME reports that Marjorie Taylor Greene has told people close to her that she is considering a 2028 presidential run.
>The rumor comes less than a day after she announced she will resign from her seat in Congress on January 5, 2026.
>>2570416yes. i agree.
>>2570419why do you think it's cringe to relentlessly oppose imperialism.
>>2570422>deleted the first two attempts. Third time's the charm, huh? Anyway I already gave my reply:
>why do you think it's cringe to relentlessly oppose imperialism? >>2570423>why do you think thing you never said?because I don't think the thing you think I think.
>>2570417Yeah and it's incredibly infuriating seeing people on both sides of the debate soyface and act like he's going to usher in burger social democracy, despite the American bourgeoisie making it very clear that'll never happen.
Like did people forget how America works or something? Lol
>>2570425ok then what are you suggesting is cringe
>>2570433it's a country of amnesiacs who can't point to palestine on a map.
>>2570423As is often the case, many are relentlessly ineffective. To effectively oppose something requires creativity to avoid repeating the same mistakes relentlessly.
>>2570414>Mandanirightoids can't ever spell his name right
>>2570438N and M are right next to each other on the keyboard but try having a counter argument next time. Anon's right and you're complaining about spelling mistakes
>>2570439so destroying weapons that are scheduled to be shipped to israel to kill women and children is "ineffective?" Ineffective with respect to what?
>>2570328more white women should be quoting stalin fr fr
>>2570438madami, salami, ravioli, pastrami, panini. there, correct me 5 times.
>>2570445>so destroying weapons that are scheduled to be shipped to israelShe smashed some windows and spray painted some anti-israel slogans. Nothing changed.
>>2570439>romanticismThis is what happens when the wealthy send their daughters to private girl's schools. A place of privilege detached from the experience of the poor tends to create such larps.
>>2570449Mommydaddy is also correct.
>>2570452she's so privileged for destroying US weapons bound for Israel in the middle of a genocide, how heckin white privileged of her. get a grip lib
>>2570455Why is she not in jail?
It's a larp.
>>2570418<MADAME PRESIDENTlmao
>>2570458she did go to jail, and almost got indicted by a grand jury
>>2570459Peak delusion or grift. Maybe a bit of both.
>>2570413save your idpol to reddit, shitlib.
>>2570418oh that would be so fucking stupid. let it be. president MTG magic the gathering
>>2570458her billionaire sugar daddy saved her ass
>>2570451To be fair the bar in this country is set so low it's at the bottom of the fucking Mariana Trench. So shit like vandalism is pretty revolutionary by American standards.
>>2570462Only 2 months? I know people who got more than that for holding a bag. Good thing her parents are well off and connected.
>>2570463i wasn't the one who started the fight by saying this person quoting stalin is wrong because they're white, so maybe take it back up to the top of the chain. it's clear you're selectively barking up only certain trees.
>>2570465Fidel castros dad was a slave owner with hundreds of slaves. It allowed him to focus on school and do all his rebel shit because he never ever had to focus on working for Money
>>2570465>ummmm engels paid marx's rent, doesn't sound very proletarian to mesame argument
>>2570458Who even cares if it's a larp or not? it's just anarcho-radlib individual activist action.
America anons, us it true you view Britain as posh and sophisticated?
We are literally (slightly) poorer than the state of Mississippi. The average Brit has the same wealth as a Mississippian.
But that doesn't consider that our wealth in located entirely in London and small towns in the South. Everywhere else is a literally third world shithole.
The only difference between rural Mississippi shithole town and Northern English ex-mining shithole towns is that at least Mississippi is warm, England is freezing and windswept and rainy with gloomy cloud cover 90% of the year.
>>2570471>stopping the flow of weapons in the middle of genocide is individualism.maybe if the rest of americans would help her it would cease to be individualist
>>2570471i fwel like doing one of those
>>2570476What have you done?
>>2570473>America anons, us it true you view Britain as posh and sophisticated? that was only true until the 60s. once them liverpool liberal boys came over with their bowl haircuts, burgers stopped taking england seriously
>>2570434because they're two sides of the same coin. It's ineffectual activism vs ineffectual Democratic Party entryism. Meanwhile, Palestine still gets turned into a parking lot and there is no popular party in the U.S. that really represents a scientific socialist position.
>>2570478complained about people who do more than me. the highest form of praxis
>>2570470Without that connection which gave her access to a high powered lawyer she would've served 30-40 in a federal prison, so not not really the same situation
>>2570446Correct on all accounts. Your reading comprehension is embarrassing to witness.
>>2570481>20 year girl is unable to stop war in Palestine by herself so anything she does is pointless and I need to attack her Kill yourself
>>2570484your argument boils down to it's le bad to take advantage of rich class traitors
>>2570486yeah that anon is clearly seething
>>2570461hey, libs like michell obomba will get pissed off, that'd be fun. another carrousel spinning in the circus known as USApol.
>>2570468 I meant to say this
>>2570463 to
>>2570328.
>>2570489ok thanks for clarifying, gotcha
>>2570486>Thing no one saidback at ya, I guess
>>2570492What would be effective activism go you?
>>2570474I am pretty sure they just stood around the roof for a bit and broke windows. It's a sort of commendable act of protest at best and doesn't actually mean that what she says should be taken extremely seriously. 99% of posters in usapol would be better off reading some theory than following twitter student activists and internet radicals
>>2570458>not knowing that Calla went to jail.>>2570467she pleaded guilty with a misdemeanor. that gets you very little time if you are first offender in most states.
The way I see it is that Mamdani most likely won't meaningfully change things for anyone (other than maybe give people access to better gibs) and that the DSA is pretty much just the "youth" branch of the DemoKKKratic party BUT at the same time Mamdani has de-stigmatized socialism a little in the USA, he is the first politician to condemn the genocide of Gazans in the White House and has bowed to arrest Satanyahu and ICE thugs if they set foot in NYC
Even if at a local level Mamdani ends up betraying the working class or cucking out to the libs/MIGA, foreign policy wise he could still do a lot to help the international proletariat.
>>2570478i've had the exact same impact as her on palestine, same as you
>>2570500 What would be effective activism to you?
>>2570498This is the first I've heard of her. I don't do social media except when I make the mistake of looking at reposts from twatter.
>>2570467I respect a bourgeois class traitor because they have to overcome 10x more brainwashing and then throw their privilege away and burn their bridges fighting imperialism and capitalism.
Meanwhile, what is to be said about a worker who will not fight for the interests of all workers, but only the workers in his or her "own" country, or worse, his or her "own" personal career growth?
>>2570499Are there any actual communist parties in the US with a plan to do literally ANYTHING or is it a permanent DSA circlejerk until climate change kills us all?
>>2570503Right I am waiting for people here to condemn Fidel Castro. His dad owned hundreds of slaves and was ultra rich. Due to this Fidel never had to work for money so he could go to law school easily and be out doing rebel stuff as long as he wants because his dad will give him tons of money.
>>2570498Isn't she a democratic socialist herself?
>>2570509What/where is she now?
>>2570509She was literally in the dsa from middle of 2021 then shit before 2021 ended
>>2570503The union busting propaganda and billionaire owned media tricked workers into voting for Donnie. Nobody is going to give the same attention to a female. Just being realistic based on the evidence.
>>2570505Your bigger point is correct but I just want to say that Fidel's dad was a plantation owner but not a slave owner. Slavery was abolished in Cuba in the 1880s and Fidel's father would not have owned slaves by the time Fidel was born in the 1920s. Perhaps Fidel's grandfather could have owned slaves but I am not knowledgeable on Fidel's grandfather.
>>2570514Ángel Castro once had 500 Haitians working for him, and at the time of his death 400 Haitians on the estate.[1]: 28 Castro prospered and was eventually able to buy 1800 hectares and lease a further 10,000 hectares of land which yielded pine wood, livestock, and sugarcane. It is said that this prosperity was due in part to harsh treatment of his mostly Haitian workers, and various illegal exploits. Although perhaps slightly inaccurate in detail, there is a vivid description of late 1920s life, especially in reference to the plight of Haitian contract labour at Antilla and Banes in Bancroft in the northern part of what was then Oriente province.[7] Later in life Fidel recalled his father's corruption, buying votes from the existing political classes, but by the standards of the day he was probably less harsh than many proprietors. During the winter he would hire redundant workers from neighbouring plantations to weed the ground
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%81ngel_Castro_y_Argiz >>2570507She was a democrat until 2021 and tried to get Ed Markey elected.
>>2570501nothing is going to structurally change things until mass joblessness that's caused by a AI which is a couple of decades away. whether someone is with DSA or ACP, it's important to just start organizing, getting a solid base until that time comes to seie the moment. getting treats now in the mean time by voting for reformist candidates isn't necessarily bad because nothing is going to stop the imperial machine anyways. people weren't calling for revolution during the great depression, they just eventually voted for more treats. it has to get worse than the depression. mass joblessness.
>>2570518Can you give me any examples of what you would see as effective activism yes or no
<Mamdani is *our guy* inside!
<Mamdani is hated and undermined by all the establishment! Democrats hate him!
<Mamdani is being elected through GRASSROOTS support ONLY, for his wonderful PROGRAM!
>…
>Okay, so why exactly does Mamdani have to be a Democrat then? If he seemingly gets nothing but antagonism from them?
>Couldn't you just run the *same guy* with the *same program* and the *same base* and the *same funding*?
>But you know, without being beholden to the Democratic party for his entire career from here on out?
<No you don't get it!
<If we do that then the Democrats would hate him!
<He'd be undermined by the entire establishment!
<He'd had no support except grassroots for his program!
<It *has* to be a Democrat!
You can replace Mamdani with any other aspiring politician to the bipartisan system.
>>2570516right, they were probably sharecroppers or indentured workers, but not slaves. For example in the US south people continued to be sharecroppers until the 30s and 40s but were only slaves until the 1860s. I'm not defending that form of exploitation, just pointing out the ways in which it is different from chattel slavery, which was abolished in Cuba in the 1880s.
>>2570518the most advanced segments of the movement must begin organizing and committing to action now, rather than waiting for conditions to worsen. Obviously more people will join our cause when conditions worsen, but that does not justify waiting for conditions to worsen to advance our cause. If you have organizations and structures and parallel networks in place when these conditions worsen, people will seek you out as an alternative, but if you wait for everything to get worse, and you have no organization in place when things actually get worse, they will flock to the reactionaries and reformists instead.
>>2570517>Calla Mairead Walsh (born June 9, 2004) is an American communist political activist. Previously a member of, and activist in, the Democratic Party and the Democratic Socialists of America, Walsh abandoned electoral politics in 2022 following disagreements with Ed Markey over policy on Israel and Palestine. Following this, Walsh became involved in direct action campaigns and faced felony charges in Massachusetts and New Hampshire.she grew up faster than most
>>2570499>and that the DSA is pretty much just the "youth" branch of the DemoKKKratic partyIf there are genuine socialists in the DSA, I hope they can come to their senses and leave to create an actual, independent working class party. Otherwise they'll turn intoBlackRedGuard, or worse.
>>2570503>what is to be said about a worker who will not fight for the interests of all workers, but only the workers in his or her "own" countryA worker who needs to be educated. Americans are a deeply alienated, propagandized people who are raised from birth to (at best) forget that people exist outside of this godforsaken country, or (at worst) that people outside the US matter less than them.
It is our task to educate the working class, to undo this programming. It's a difficult task, one which the current left doesn't seem to be fit to accomplish.
>>2570525It's literally "first them then our turn" don't do any planning or organizing they will all just magically get desperate then flock to your ideology!
>>2570512I meant in socialist terms. sadly she seems more like an August Willich character than anything politically developed
>>2570527>A worker who needs to be educated. Americans are a deeply alienated, propagandized people who are raised from birth to (at best) forget that people exist outside of this godforsaken country, or (at worst) that people outside the US matter less than them.
>It is our task to educate the working class, to undo this programming. It's a difficult task, one which the current left doesn't seem to be fit to accomplish.Right and that's what I'm trying to do constantly but the social chauvinists insist that it is "unrealistic" and "childish" to "expect" people to "care about outgroups" because "science shows" that people "only care about their ingroups" which is reactionary nonsense for so many reasons, but it's a tangled knot of a statement that they demand I untangle rather than dismiss outright
>>2570526That's still only 3 years into realizing the problem runs deeper than red vs blue.
Also possibly why her activism reflects that fact.
>>2570530hey, say what you will about august willich but he moved to the US and fought slavery which is more than a lot of people did back then.
>>2570535he was stupid and it's a shame marx didn't kill him in that stupid ass duel
thanksgiving is a retarded holiday
>>2570531>social chauvinistsWhat social chauvinists?
>>2570512How is this any different than something like CODEPINK?
>>2570531Science shows I get angry naturally, therefore I can kill people when I'm angry because it's natural.
>>2570543It does not need to be different. Code pink is a net positive. Or are you telling me you dislike code pink
>>2570525that's why i said the thing to do is to mass organize, raise class consciousness, whatever. calling mamdami a nazi ain't it. just know that people did not launch socialist revolution even during the great depression, why would they do so now? marx idea is that socialism will get achieved by the working class feeling alienated and this alienation will simmer and explode to overthrow the social order. alienation is a historical progress force to him. however currently, the mass isn't alienated enough, let alone at great depression level. and i'm not calling for an accellerationist politics, i'm saying it will happen regardless because of mass joblessness in the future, so you don't have to accellerate anything, just keep organizing and spreading the message. get your treats in while you can. and when the time comes it'll be socialism vs barbarism, and the winner will be based on who is more organized.
>>2570536… marx refused to duel him, in the first place because duels are stupid, and in the second place, because August Willich was a good shoot and had practical military experience both in the 1848 revolutions and before. It's weird that you're insulting a guy who had practical experience in revolution, who moved to the USA, and risked his life to end slavery, a literal prince who gave up his titles of nobility and fought for workers and slaves on two continents, because he had a dumb feud with Marx, who he regarded as too conservative
>>2570535John Brown fought but he didn't have a real army so he was captured, tried and executed. The abolitionist movement was better served by action, like the underground railroad, than activism or vigilantism.
>>2570549ok i agree with this post, but that's not what I was getting out of your previous posts. still I think anti imperialism is important and international solidarity is needed during this genocide.
> get your treats in while you can. depends on what you mean by "treats" and where they come from. some people come on here and say "food and running water is a treat" obviously not, but if "get your treats while you can" means "consume genocidal plunder" i disagree
>>2570551yeah essentially this. professional revolutionaries are too valuable for terrorism
>>2570551august willich was a brigadier general in the union army as well as a communist who fought in the 1848 revolutions. he literally ONLY ever fought in an organized way. the dumbest thing he ever did was challenge marx to a duel, and that was because he still hadn't shed some of his noble brainworms, but the vast majority of his life choices were admirable and I would say in practice willich was more effective than john brown. but john brown was in the process of trying to build an army when he got caught, which is the part you leave out.
>>2570542The dickriding servants of amerikkka are chauvinist. You tell them they support imperialists and they agree out of many times but will always keep riding the dick.
I want to believe that dick riding we see today is the highest form of dick riding, that dick riding is moribund and no higher form of dick riding is possible. The platner situation should have been decisive moment, but the dick riders are still tolerated sometimes even now
>>2570545A net positive for what?
People in the imperial core alleviating their guilt through ritual activity?
CODEPINK has been around for 23 years and their effect has been almost non-existent politically.
>>2570547They weren't the ones that made the hats but they participated in organizing the march.
>>2570559He wasn't just caught, he was captured in battle. He thought the slaves would rise up and willingly join but they weren't prepared, obviously.
so…no source?
>>2570563>People in the imperial core alleviating their guilt through ritual activityNot their purpose
>>2570566Not their purpose but basically their function.
>>2570564his misconception is somewhat forgivable given that what he expected to happen in America did happen in Haiti
>>2570567The nat turner slave rebellion led to many more black people dying and stricter laws on black people leading to their life being worse. Do you condemn it?
>>2570570>accusationsok but say why she's wrong, for the class
>>2570570>recognizing succdems are sheepdogs makes you le fedfight agency managed the Mamdani, Fetterman, and Platner campaigns. they're curating a product for consumption.
>>2570066In amerikkka, dick riders are the decisive enemy of Commumism. As long as workers are led by dick riders, they will only be fucked.
I say this as a hardcore Marxist, Wilich was a utter chad in every sense of the word. Pretty much Che before Che (if you don't count Garibaldi) reading Marx's biography its pretty clear that Marx seethed at Wilich for being healthy and capable. Even before the major split over immediate action vs waiting Marx disliked Wilich intensley. But even Marx commended Wilich after he died due to his heroic convictions and willingness to fight. Yes alot of this is because Wilich was far more emeshed in the noble cultural milleu but sometimes you need a bit of that espirit de corps in a revolutionary. In this house Wilich is a hero end of story!
>>2570569Call me when CODEPINK foments an armed rebellion against the ruling class akin to Nat Turner's against the slave masters, then we'll talk.
>>2570575(cont) one can only dream if Marx, Engles, and Wilich had actually teamed up. The warrior, poet, and the thinker they would have been unstoppable if they were in Paris 1871.
>>2570581So you do care about intent and not only results?
>>2570579All of the will, none of the intellect
>>2570584He was too busy making stuff happen while he was young and capable. He got his degree in philosophy at 60. That's in the pic.
>>2570584Just the sort of man Marx needed in his life to get his shit sorted out. Engels enabled Marx far too much. If Marx wasn't irritable baby (which is understandable tbf he had a horrible skin disease) Willich might have been the only person Marx ever met who could have motivated him to actually finish Capital the lazy fat fuck.
>>2570588Marx might actually be the GRRM of his time. Only difference is Marx had children to attend to whereas George has no excuse.
>>2570583The results of the Nat Turner rebellion accelerated the conditions that made it happen in the first place and gave rise to further rebellion. It was a legitimate threat and matched the intent. CODEPINK doesn't present a threat to anyone and only functions as a release valve for any radical activity.
>Exclusive: US to launch new phase of Venezuela operations, sources say - REUTERS WASHINGTON, D.C., Nov 22 (Reuters) - The United States is poised to launch a new phase of Venezuela-related operations in the coming days, four U.S. officials told Reuters, as the Trump administration escalates pressure on President Nicolas Maduro's government.
Reuters was not able to establish the exact timing or scope of the new operations, nor whether U.S. President Donald Trump had made a final decision to act. Reports of looming action have proliferated in recent weeks as the U.S. military has deployed forces to the Caribbean amid worsening relations with Venezuela.
Two of the U.S. officials said covert operations would likely be the first part of the new action against Maduro. All four officials quoted in this article spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of impending action by the United States.
The Pentagon referred questions to the White House. The CIA declined to comment.
A senior administration official on Saturday did not rule anything out regarding Venezuela.
"President Trump is prepared to use every element of American power to stop drugs from flooding into our country and to bring those responsible to justice," said the official, speaking on the condition of anonymity.
The Venezuelan Communications Ministry did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
The Trump administration has been weighing Venezuela-related options to combat what it has portrayed as Maduro’s role in supplying illegal drugs that have killed Americans. He has denied having any links to the illegal drug trade.
Two U.S. officials told Reuters the options under consideration included attempting to overthrow Maduro.
Maduro, in power since 2013, has contended that Trump seeks to oust him and that Venezuelan citizens and the military will resist any such attempt. He also has characterized U.S. actions as an effort to take control of Venezuela's oil.
A military buildup in the Caribbean has been underway for months, and Trump has authorized covert CIA operations in Venezuela. The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration on Friday warned major airlines of a "potentially hazardous situation" when flying over Venezuela and urged them to exercise caution.
Three international airlines cancelled flights departing from Venezuela on Saturday after the FAA warning.
The United States plans on Monday to designate the Cartel de los Soles a foreign terrorist organization for its alleged role in importing illegal drugs into the United States, officials said. The Trump administration has accused Maduro of leading Cartel de los Soles, which he denies.
Washington in August doubled its reward for information leading to Maduro's arrest to $50 million. But U.S. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said last week that the terrorist designation "brings a whole bunch of new options to the United States."
Trump has said the upcoming designation would allow the United States to strike Maduro's assets and infrastructure in Venezuela, but he also has indicated a willingness to potentially pursue talks in hopes of a diplomatic solution.
Maduro said earlier this week that the countries' differences should be resolved through diplomacy and that he is willing to hold face-to-face talks with anyone interested.
Two U.S. officials acknowledged conversations between Caracas and Washington. It was unclear whether those conversations could impact the timing or scale of potential U.S. operations.
The U.S. Navy's largest aircraft carrier, the Gerald R. Ford, arrived in the Caribbean on November 16 with its strike group, joining at least seven other warships, a nuclear submarine and F-35 aircraft.
U.S. forces in the region so far have focused on counter-narcotics operations, even though the assembled firepower far outweighs anything needed for them. U.S. troops since September have carried out at least 21 strikes on alleged drug boats, killing at least 83 people, mostly in the Caribbean, although vessels in the Pacific Ocean also have been targeted.
Human rights groups have condemned the strikes as illegal extrajudicial killings of civilians, and some U.S. allies have expressed growing concerns that Washington may be violating international law.
The Trump administration has said for months that the attacks on boats are meant to curb trafficking of drugs it says kill millions of Americans. However, most drug overdose deaths in the United States are caused by fentanyl, which is largely manufactured in Mexico.
Drug traffickers move some cocaine through the Caribbean, according to international organizations, but much of the supply for North America moves on the Pacific.
The U.S. military dwarfs Venezuela's, which is debilitated by a lack of training, low wages and deteriorating equipment.
That reality has led Maduro's government to consider alternative strategies in the event of a U.S. invasion, including possibly a guerrilla-style response, which the government has termed "prolonged resistance" and mentioned in broadcasts on state television.
This approach would involve small military units at more than 280 locations carrying out acts of sabotage and other guerrilla tactics, Reuters has reported, citing sources and years-old planning documents.
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/us-launch-new-phase-venezuela-operations-sources-say-2025-11-22/ >>2570595
>Either way if this Venezuela invasion happens MAGA is cooked.
lol no
the average burger is either a bloodthirsty fascist sociopath or an apathetic nihilist. there would be a couple marches here and there as there usually are. and then people would go back to 'normal' life because they are stupid beasts of burden living paycheck to paycheck and they don't have the time. energy, or empathy to care about foreigners in foreign land
>>2570592Fucking hell, my worst fears are all coming true. I've shit talked Maduro before but I wish him and the Venezuelan people strength and luck to fight what's coming.
>>2570541that was always the choice, it just appears more hidden at times
>>2570600
i lived through burgers falling for the iraq lies and everyone who doesn't fall for the "lol maduro is scarface i guess" lie is going to be indifferent, too busy to do anything, etc. like the other anon said. i wish burgers would prove me wrong.
>>2570592I genuinely haven’t met a single person, right or left, that actually wants this war. If this is a distraction I don’t think it’ll cause some “rally around the flag” effect. People need to get ready for a new anti war movement.
>>2570600
I think the soldier will come back mad and just start fascism like in Italy, tbh.
>>257060521% support regime change war
but 49% support extrajudicial executions of anyone labeled a "drug trafficker" by the trump admin. So you do the math. It seems about half the country is willing to extrajudicially murder venezuelans as long as they are called drug traffickers in by the military.
>>2570595
It could be another Libya. There wasn't even a pretense of nation building there. Just a lot of bombings. "We came, we saw. he died."
Trump loved bombing the shit out of countries in his first term so we could see that ramp up again.
>>2570600
Considering that the US military is now a volunteer force I don't think we'll ever get another Vietnam situation. The draft was a key element to it, anyone could get drafted (of normal means, obviously not the powerful), people were forced to pay attention to what was going on even if they would be otherwise "apolitical". With a volunteer force it's easier for it to be out of sight, out of mind. Just ship the desperate proles out, they chose this, they're fighting for our freedoms, etc. Also more and more of warfare is becoming automated (drones and so on) so there's fewer humans in harm's way.
>>2570612>Also more and more of warfare is becoming automated (drones and so on) so there's fewer humans in harm's way.well in the russo ukraine war we see the return of WW1 style trench warfare with the addition of drones. we see infantry running from drones on foot, only to get their legs blown off. we see dying soldiers full of shrapnel, stranded on the ground, having grenades dropped on them by drones. we see drones dropping grenades into open tank hatches. and in the middle east we saw americans using their drones to kill civilians who were related to or physically near people declared "insurgents" or "terrorists" or "military aged males." We saw drones used to attack weddings, funerals, places of worship, schools, school buses, etc. in occupied Palestine.
So on what planet do you live?
>>2570611venezeula has thick jungles like vietnam which makes it harder for US aerial operations compared to libya. also libya already had a civil war brewing inside it before US and NATO bombed it. an actual ground invasion would risk a long quagmire because venezuelan terrain greatly favors asymmetric warfare like guerrrilla tactics and it favors small mobile locally knowledgeable forces.
>>2570608material analysis?
>>2570609Like most stats about US public opinion I think seeing it in action is different from imagining it. I genuinely think most people, stupidly, imagine some Dirty Harry scenario where some cackling Venezuelan covered in tats is cackling about how evil he is and how the courts can’t stop him. Besides, the drugs won’t stop flowing, this won’t solve our massive drug problem.
Point being I think this would be as good a war as any to rally people against.
>>2570619>I genuinely think most people, stupidly, imagine some Dirty Harry scenario where some cackling Venezuelan covered in tats is cackling about how evil he is and how the courts can’t stop himyes, that is the problem i was attempting to describe. americans are too easily convinced other countries are cartoon villains.
>>2570614On the planet where the US has the most powerful military on the planet with 11 massive nuclear-powered aircraft carriers.
The US hasn't been invaded by a foreign country since 1812. All of our wars have been external. The comparisons to Russia/Israel don't hold water on any level, those are neighboring land invasions with vastly weaker militaries.
Trump doesn't have the stomach for another Iraq, he is not a "nation builder". That was the old neocon cold war way of doing things. His go-to has always been targeted strikes. He massively expanded the drone program, launched the "mother of all bombs" in Afghanistan, and recently struck Iran with tomahawk missiles from a submarine. He could very easily do the same thing in Venezuela. The danger to US military personnel would be minimal. In Libya not a single soldier died - Benghazi was considered a big deal and that was only 4 diplomats.
>>2570617Trump would not do a ground invasion.
It would be a mix of air strikes and intelligence operations.
Whether or not it would succeed is another question. But Obama didn't suffer any major blowback from Libya, the US collectively shrugged.
>>2570623I was responding to your claim that drones keep personnel out of harms way. But we see that drones can be used to attack anyone, anywhere, at any time, including soldiers operating drones.
>>2570623yeah but air strikes and intelligence operations aren't enough, their terrain is a nightmare for drone warefare as well. he would have to deploy massive troops into venezeula if he wants to win a war but that would pull him into an afghanistan situation
>>2570618The bourgeoisie are using the state to puppet the state
>>2570628the US population might not care, but it would further ruin America's reputation in Latin America and push them even closer to China and Russia
>>2570620If there’s any benefit to that it means there’s a degree of fickleness once actual consequences follow—I don’t think we could manage a war like the Russians manage an actually difficult war, and I think most of the nationalists here are showboating retards more than deeply committed partisans.
One of the benefits of the Iraq war to the ruling class was that you could convince a bunch of dumbasses to act like they’re fighting in it by buying humvees or military surplus gas masks in case of Anthrax attacks. That’s the kind of war I think most of these nationalists want—a consumers war, where they’re not expected to do any of the actual fighting but can buy some shit to “support da trooooops”.
But now people have less spending money, we’re a demoralized and divided populace, we’re led by retards. Any war we start that doesn’t swiftly end in victory will become wildly unpopular.
>>2570644next thread opener
>>2570592so more of the same, with 'anonymous' sources? they've been trying the same since early 00s to overthrow Chavism.
>>2570561The idea of chauvinism has a fatal flaw. Chauvinism is the belief in the superiority or dominance of one's own group or people. But the catch is a universalist approach to humanity is not chauvinist by definition. After all, if everyone is part of a single group then there are no outsiders to be dominant or superior over.
How does that apply to America? Technically everyone in the world can become American. As an immigrant nation it is above any specific ethnicity, race or culture. The entire world can technically join the United States as new states and be a part of our universal democracy. All the tired, poor, huddled masses yearning to breathe free can be given an American citizenship!
Therefore is impossible for believers in Burgerism to be chauvinist for it is the ideology of the universal man.
>>2570650The ideology that the universal man can benefit from genociding others and stealing their shit yes.
>>2570650Basically he goes around calling people giga-Hitlers and say their neighbors would gladly kill a small child with their bare hands for a labubu then claims that’s education and if you push back you’re a fascist.
>>2570592The USA will eat shit no matter how hard we try in this "war". If we follow through with this, it will be THE most disastrous event in USA recent history hands down
>>2570660They’re one of those things where I genuinely can’t understand the craze behind them, but I tend to like stuff that has some use.
>>2570651How does people joining a new nation genocide them? They are still alive. And how can you steal when all property is held in common? That the goal of communism.
>>2570654He justifiably mad at the USA's current capitalist government but hating average Americans who have little power is ironically very chauvinist of him.
>>2570665Chauvinist is right but he basically occupies the same space as Gusanos in China do. Gotta wonder if there’s always been a trend of social outcasts that come to deeply despise their community—like if Romans had annoying dudes who were pro-Persian conquest.
>>2570650America isn't.
US still rivals another major power.
>>2570670American chauvinists think their chauvinism is ill-served by the status quo and that is why they simp for Russia–in their view, Russia is actually existing Chauvinism.
>>2570643I’ve thought about that a lot, as someone that grew up during the start of the G.W era. We’ve gone from
>spend to support the troops and economy! To
>50 year mortgages and you actually love the economy They don’t even pretend we’re sacrificing for anything. Everything sucks and the wars are even more disconnected from the population than ever before. The non-stop imperialism is a given and the pretext for economic gains or even “safety” is so thinly veiled that they might as well not even do it.
>>2570667I think it has more to do that the DHS appeared in Israel.
>>2570670>Romans had annoying dudes who were pro-Persian conquest.After looking it up that would get them executed as traitors if they were vocal enough.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_maiestasAnd conservative Romans would accuse people of being traitors if they were too close to foreign powers. e.g Octavian won propaganda victories against Mark Antony because of Cleopatra and Egypt
<when he sees that this man [Antony] has now abandoned all his ancestors' habits of life, has emulated all alien and barbaric customs, that he pays no honor to us or to the laws or to his fathers' gods, but pays homage to that wench [Cleopatra] as if she were some Isis or Selene… but being a slave to that woman, he undertakes the war and its self-chosen dangers on her behalf against us and against his country… Therefore let no one count him a Roman, but rather an Egyptian (Part of Octavian's speech against Antony in Cassius Dio's Roman History. 50. 25-26) https://www.worldhistory.org/article/1474/the-propaganda-of-octavian-and-mark-antonys-civil/>>2570672I'm only half joking about Burgerism and am seriously arguing that universalist ideologies, such as Marxism, can not be chauvinist by definition.
>>2570665>How does people joining a new nation genocide them? They are still alive. And how can you steal when all property is held in common? That the goal of communism.You heard it hear first folks, the USA did not infact genocide natives. Actually the more you genocide the more communist you are wow.
>>2570696I've been talking about the possible future of a Socialist Universal Americanism, not it's capitalist and racist past.
>>2570698NPC Strawman: ACP is "Fascist" for "talking to" MAGA
Reality: ACP is reactionary for tailing MAGA. Succdems are reactionary for tailing liberals.
>>2570650Imperialists are chavinist. Amerikkkans are biggest imperialist. Therefore amerikkkans are biggest chauvinists.
>>2570670You are literally a fascist. No one hated romans more than their slaves. You cannot fathom this because you are oppressor
goofy ahh leftypol havin a crash out rn
>>2570654>>2570663You say americans are not chauvinists or exploiters. You are wrong. Read lenin.
<the industrial workers cannot accomplish their epoch-making mission of emancipating mankind from the yoke of capital and from wars if they confine themselves to their narrow craft, or trade interests, and smugly restrict themselves to attaining an improvement in their own conditions, which may sometimes be tolerable in the petty-bourgeois sense. This is exactly what happens to the “labour aristocracy” of many advanced countries, who constitute the core of the so-called socialist parties of the Second International; they are actually the bitter enemies and betrayers of socialism, petty-bourgeois chauvinists and agents of the bourgeoisie within the working-class movement.https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1920/jun/x01.htm<To tell the workers in the handful of rich countries where life is easier, thanks to imperialist pillage, that they must be afraid of 'too great' impoverishment, is counter-revolutionary. It is the reverse that they should be told. The labour aristocracy that is afraid of sacrifices, afraid of 'too great' impoverishment during the revolutionary struggle, cannot belong to the Party. Otherwise, the dictatorship is impossible, especially in West-European countries.https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1920/jul/x03.htm<The export of capital, one of the most essential economic bases of imperialism, still more completely isolates the rentiers from production and sets the seal of parasitism on the whole country that lives by exploiting the labour of several overseas countries and colonies.https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/ch08.htm>First, what is the cardinal idea underlying our theses? It is the distinction between oppressed and oppressor nations. Unlike the Second International and bourgeois democracy, we emphasise this distinction. In this age of imperialism, it is particularly important for the proletariat and the Communist International to establish the concrete economic facts and to proceed from concrete realities, not from abstract postulates, in all colonial and national problems.https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1920/jul/x03.htm<300-400 million out of 1,600 are oppressorshttps://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/cw/pdf/lenin-cw-vol-39.pdf >>2570670So were the bolsheviks a bunch of gusanos? And you say you arent kautskyite
>>2570704> you are the oppressorBro he works at a grocery store
>>2570704>No one hated romans more than their slaves.the roman slave system took centuries to get rid of because it was very common for slaves to eventually get freed by their masters and buy their own slaves, and also for slaves to compete with each other for better positions under slavery. after all, being a slave soldier or overseer is better than being worked to death in a mine or in a field, and being a house servant is better than being a slave soldier, and being a literate scribe slave is better than all those other things. the servile wars couldn't even overthrow roman slavery, and what happened instead was a gradual transition into serfdom that arose slowly over several centuries due to a breakdown in the central administration of the roman empire and the increasing importance of local magistrates in manorial estates, who became feudal lords. the poorest free peasants and the slaves became coloni tied to the land, and the coloni evolved into serfdom.
>>2570702The real truth nuke, unfortunately no alternatives exist.
>>2570710you're talking to a literal troll who is incapable of counter argument and just wants to annoy people. everything he says is a personal attack and you are always on trial. he will never dignify you with a response that assumes equality.
>>2570667you can edit xeets now?
>>2570708Lenin failed in bringing communism, he only successfully brought bourgeoisie revolution to Russia. Also he’s Russian, they’re always last to everything.
>>2570710Read lenin. Lenin said all americans are oppressors. This is proven by his constant deviation from Marxism-Leninism.
>>2570711The point is that the revolutionary element never dick rides the oppressors. Cpusa cries about third worldism today, again.
>>2570704Cute syllogism but I'm not talking about Americans as they currently are but what they have the potential to become in the future.
>>2570120stfu Sakaist bitch
>>2570723You defy lenin's theories. You are another kautskyite. The imperialists are not victims. To enable their victim complex is anti-scientific
>The White House has proposed a U.S. military leaflet drop over Caracas aimed at pressuring Nicolás Maduro on his birthday, in what officials describe as a psychological operation to push him toward fleeing the country. The plan has not yet been authorized - WaPo
they can't be serious
>>2570720>Lenin failed in bringing communism, he only successfully brought bourgeoisie revolution to Russia. oversimplified myth repeater, he didn't fail to "bring communism" nor did he "bring bourgeois revolution" to Russia. The bourgeois revolution happened in February 1917. The socialist revolution happened in October 1917. The February revolution resulted in the abdication of the tsar. The February revolution was bourgeois in character and was tolerated by the allies in WW1 because Russia did not threaten to leave WW1 under the February revolution. But Lenin pushed for revolutionary defeatism instead of national chauvinism, and pulled Russia out of WW1 after the February revolution, and signed the treat of Brest Litovsk. 14 bourgeois countries then invaded Russia to restore either monarchist or bourgeois rule (it did not matter to them which), as long as Russia re-entered WW1 on the side of the allies and the Bolsheviks were removed from power. Marx, Engels, and Lenin all said that the proletarian revolution transforms society gradually. You do not "bring communism" you expropriate the bourgeoisie and begin a societal transition away from capitalism that does not happen overnight. The reason the USSR failed is not because the October revolution was "bourgeois" but because the party became revisionist and the entire history of the USSR was bogged down by geopolitical struggles against a bourgeois world order.
>Also he’s Russian, they’re always last to everything.Russia got women's suffrage in March 1917, two years before America. So even Russia's actual bourgeois revolution, in 1917, was more progressive than the USA, even by liberal metrics. :^)
>>2570724> Lenin said all americans are oppressors.you are trolling but what he actually said was already posted here:
>>2569870 >>2570732
God created ICE to teach Americans geography
>>2570726>sakaistread Lenin:
>>2569870 >>2570725he calls anti-imperialists unreasonable "gusanos" for betraying the imperialist camp. This places him in the imperialist camp. If what he posts is what the cpusa actually believes, then americans have no future.
>>2570730seems kinda dumb to say it out loud like the venezuelans military isn't capable of monitoring US media
>>2570731> But Lenin pushed for revolutionary defeatism instead of national chauvinism, and pulled Russia out of WW1 after the February revolution, and signed the treat of Brest Litovskmeant to say October revolution in this sentence.
>>2570729By that logic ethnic russians worker of the Russian empire weren't victims because other ethnicities in Russia had it worse even when stolypin executed tens of thousands
>>2570732
I wonder what their internal criteria is
>>2570738how can anyone take this guy seriously? literally tim heidecker-esque. he goes up in front of a city council wearing sunglasses and a backwards baseball cap lol
>>2570751he's WHITE
he's a MAN
he's CHRISTIAN
he's AMERICA FIRST
the FOUR MOST IMPORTANT THINGS
>>2570749wanna know a bit more? apparently the program is so secret that they are dropping some cases because it would reveal how the driving tracking/spying system works.
https://abc7.com/post/border-patrol-is-monitoring-us-drivers-detaining-suspicious-travel-patterns/18180071/>The Border Patrol has for years hidden details of its license plate reader program, trying to keep any mention of the program out of court documents and police reports, former officials say, even going so far as to propose dropping charges rather than risk revealing any details about the placement and use of their covert license plate readers. Readers are often disguised along highways in traffic safety equipment like drums and barrels. >>2570650>the ideology of the universal man.riiiight (jerking off motion)
and what sort of atrocities did this euphoric class of soy German PMC Hegelian idealist redditor armchair pseuds accomplish with their rejection of historical materialism? Believing that you have surpassed history is a pretty good definition of a "fascist" lol
>>2570544>Science shows I get angry naturally, therefore I can kill people when I'm angry because it's natural.relevant: TikTok video elaboration on another meme video of a guy who says "modern unions are gutted and lost so much power is because they aren't involved in organized crime anymore"
https://www.tiktok.com/@seth.thomas91/video/7574301172413025566 >>2570745This doesn't even make sense logistically, obviously it would be easier and cheaper to deport him to the country that he's originally from and is far closer.
This is purely spite on the part of the burgerreich. They don't want to "send them back", they want them to suffer, and ideally die.
>>2570768hey, stop the discrimination against the protected minorities, a.k.a. cars or you'll get the
>>2570760 treatment.
>>2570765i said that for years on here only to get scolded by reactionary "communists" who insisted "all communist nations have strong borders" and "deporting gusanos is good" and "you are a porky who just wants to import third worlders to take muh jerbs" and all other sorts of wrecker nonsense that for some reason keeps getting tolerated
>>2570043Why would you assume I didn't? Shut the fuck up.
>>2570779The US government has to fall and people have to get shot.
Musk’s social network X on Thursday was reportedly flooded with examples of Grok praising the billionaire, calling him “strikingly handsome,” lauding his “lean, athletic physique” and describing his intellect as “genius-level.” The bot also claimed Musk could beat Mike Tyson in a boxing match, ranked him above Leonardo da Vinci, said he was funnier than Jerry Seinfeld and even suggested he would rise from the dead faster than Jesus.
Musk addressed the issue on X on Thursday, saying Grok had been “manipulated by adversarial prompting into saying absurdly positive things” about him. “For the record, I am a fat retard,” he added.
honkoid status?
>>2570748Lenin never claimed all Russians were oppressors and exploiters. He identified all Americans as oppressors and exploiters. History has demonstrated the correctness of Lenin's theory, but even more so have these persistent, chauvinistic, imperialist dickriders.
>>2569874
>We euros will have socdemism while you burgers rot!
>ignore the political situation of Europe is even worse than burgers and arguably have a worse fate in the next 10 years
>>2570779Z.B.A.P.O.G
Zionist Brahmin Afrikaner Pedophile Occupied Government
>>2570814Not gonna lie I would eat that shit up
>>2570820And then vote for lukewarm socdems, we know.
>>2570779the very last topic in this video, which they go into the least, is something someone was talking to me about IRL today. yeah they're taking away the professional title for a lot of these people who have the ability to report child abuse, and naturally, it's also jobs that are disproportionately held by college educated women, who tend to be libs, so there's an idpol/partisan angle to it as well.
>>2570738why are you driving engagement to chud videos uploaded by chuds full of chud comments
>>2570867>the cops ended up getting called and blocking the place off, and then two dudes almost started arguing over whether it was "ethical" to "restrain a woman" which was just mega retarded, like yeah, of course it's a good thing to hold back a drunk person who's about to assault another drunk person and get arrestedto be clearer, the two dudes were arguing BEFORE the cops showed up, they weren't arguing against arresting anyone, but arguing with each other of the "ethics" of holding "a woman" back when cops are not there.
>>2570619I think it's simpler, they dont think and rely on their subconscious to decide.
They dont go through the motions and angles of thinking through what that means, nor does the media they consume push them to think about it
the imperialist interventions are getting closer to home
very good
civil war soon
>>2570817I'd eat Wednesday's pizza if you know what I mean
>>2570867Bars don't work anymore and I wonder what boomers get out of it. Drinks are 10x more expensive than if you just get them at a store. If you drive there you supposedly can't drive back home drunk but many people chance the DUI anyway. Unless you meet up with friends, people there act annoyed if you try striking up a conversation and don't want to interact with you. Trying to pick up girls is pointless and at best they might scam some suckers for free drinks before they meet up with their tinder date or friends.
Zoomers have it right. Might as well drink at home watching a movie or playing video games.
>>2570898it's like a boomerang you see, dialectical in sense
thesis: south america
negation: iraq, afghanistan, ukraine
negation-of-negation: south america, again, but this time it's because the empire is retreating
don't be le empiricist, the 1960s-1980s are a different era of policy, this is new.
>>2570897>Bars don't work anymore and I wonder what boomers get out of it. Drinks are 10x more expensive than if you just get them at a store. If you drive there you supposedly can't drive back home drunk but many people chance the DUI anyway. bars have always been stupid. the reason women go to bars is for "ladies night" where "women drink free" and the reason men go to bars is to take advantage of drunk women on "ladies night" who otherwise wouldn't be disinhibited enough to fuck. people don't just go to bars for the overpriced drinks, they specifically go to bars to get easy sex, buy drugs, sell drugs, play pool, watch a sports game, watch local bands play sets, etc.
but yeah it's super dumb and I became way more resentful of bars during covid because this same boomer mother in law got drunk at this same place on halloween during peek covid and got my 9 month old daughter sick with covid. the next day. going to a crowded place and drinking something which compromises your immune system (and your brain) is so stupid. not to mention the shenanigans like fights, stolen wallets, biker gangs and street gangs showing up etc.
>>2570899well America was trying to do regime change in both Venezuela and Bolivia as recently as 2019. This whole invasion shit is new though. Don't know if they're going to go through with it. Trump seems distracted. Like he abandons projects halfway through. Like his tariffs.
>>2570814>>2570814>>2570814That will be $35.99, come again.
>>2570902Didn't think about drugs as I never really did much but it makes sense. I suppose it can be interesting to see random people making scenes and acting like jackasses but I personally got tired of that in my early 20s.
Have you ever tried getting your mother in law to download Ubur or something? Then you don't need to pick her up whenever she decides to get drunk.
Horrible that happened to your kid at 9 months. Quarantine should have been more strictly enforced to avoid that. Hope everything's fine now.
Two US men have been indicted for allegedly plotting an armed operation to take control of a Caribbean island, kill its male population, and enslave the women and children, US prosecutors have announced.
According to the US Attorney’s Office for the Eastern District of Texas, Gavin Rivers Weisenburg, 21, and Tanner Christopher Thomas, 20, both from the Dallas area, “have conspired to recruit and lead an unlawful expeditionary force” to Ile de la Gonave, a tropical island with around 100,000 residents that is part of the Republic of Haiti.
The plan, reportedly discussed between August 2024 and July 2025, aimed to stage a coup d’etat “for the purpose of carrying out their rape fantasies.”
“Weisenburg and Thomas intended to murder all of the men on the island so that they could then turn all of the women and children into their sex slaves,” prosecutors said on Thursday, adding that both were charged with “conspiracy to murder, maim, or kidnap in a foreign country and production of child pornography.”
Investigators claim the pair had planned to buy a sailboat and firearms and also sought to recruit homeless people in the Washington, DC area to form an armed group.
The suspects reportedly undertook “numerous overt acts,” including studying the local language, preparing operational plans, and exploring training programs in order to “acquire skills relevant to the invasion plan.” Officials said Thomas enlisted in the US Air Force to receive military training.
Lawyer David Finn, who represents Weisenburg, described the indictment as “simply an allegation” and urged the public to "reserve judgment and don’t buy into the hype."
"If your initial response to the government’s press release was, ‘That sounds crazy, impossible, and absurd,’ you might be on to something important," he said, as quoted by Fox.
The conspiracy charge to murder in a foreign country carries a potential life sentence, while the child pornography offense is punishable by 15 to 30 years in prison.
https://swentr.site/news/628225-us-men-charged-with-plotting/>>2570879>it has made me more america first>it has taken everything in me to forgive my parentscuckservatives would rather throw their parents under the bus before dare questioning the bourgeois state. lmao
>>2570914With how it only says "planned" this and "exploring" that, it honestly sounds like not a genuine crime planning but just elaborate ERP bullshit mixed with military fetishism or a like for grand strategy. Likely they got invested in degenerate sex roleplay without any intention to carry it out. I am taking with a grain of salt when the state dept says that two dudes genuinely were going to invade an island with 100,000 people and turn it into Little Saint James 2. Gonna need to see evidence beyond what I expect are long, homoerotic chatlogs.
>also sought to recruit homeless people in the Washington, DC area to form an armed group.What would the vetting process look like, lol. Based homeless would rob the two the moment they handed them a rifle.
>>2570879i knew an african-american guy (had the accent and brought up there and etc) who got deported to the UK, he was in temporary accommodation. This was years ago though, so i assume this has been happening for a while.
>>2570879>>2570934ffs if you are not a US citizen then being America First is cucking yourself. Why can't these people look at the situation there are actually in and adapt?
>>2570939You read the situation right. You don't join the Chair Force if you want to become Rambo. Prosecutors are always looking for publicity to make their career and will pile on the charges if given the chance.
>>2570961Make
Americans
Janissaries
Again
>>2570961i think he does admire them. remember when he praised the Houthis lol ?
>>2570958its having the mentality of a 'gardener' but having a body from the 'jungle'.
>>2570974It all looks nasty
>>2570974Actually Existing Burgerism (AEB)
>>2570974capitalism breeds innovation
>>2570990lmao hes starstruck
>>2571005Mamdani is smart for just accepting and smiling. Fascist doesn't work as an insult anymore. The argument could be made that it never worked. Socialists in Europe haven't caught up.
>>2570805
>agriculture is only dependent on soil
aaah, the burger education system
had a dream the us tried to kill khamenei
>>2570702TRVKE
Oppurtunist Leftypolians will try and tell you otherwise
>>2570034>"The police confiscated my fridge for looking at trans porn">>2570820>>2570814I had a Korean chicken sandwich for the first time yesterday and this thing looks like doodoo in comparison. Personally I haven't eaten a chicken sandwich from an American fast food place since I discovered chicken cream chop. I mean
>>2570974 just looks atrocious.
>>2571073No argument to thing no one said, yes.
so what do you think happened in the closed-door meeting between mamdani and trump?
>>2571099
If that were the case, there would not so much COINTELPRO tier disinformation on them.
>>2570934Is the human race fundamentally flawed? Is cuckoldry universal
>>2571057> a genuine threat to CapitalThe truth is the ruling class will stomp their feet over social democrat measures, but they don't do anything other than ameliorate. ACP don’t pose a threat either but are jealous they didn’t get a pat on the back from Trumpy. It’s that simple.
>>2571115>>2571113I do actually think the DSA can't do much other than maybe accelerating the contradictions in the DNC. But the constant whinging and pearl clutching over DSA's every action from right wingers and ultras has led me to believe that the American bourgeoisie sees the DSA as a bigger threat to them than I do.
>>2571112good. hopefully the DNC kicks them out, that'll show them that no grovel for unity among a bunch of sadists and a bunch of reformists isn't going to serve some purpose and that all those years groveling within the DNC won't save them from the system they pretend it's not killing babies
en masse.
party of the working class, yeah right.
>>2570698i like both dsa and acp and find them useful long-term to my job as a professional revolutionary in fostering the consciousness of the masses
>>2571124If haz stops running his mouth on stream and saying church shit the acp would be good
>>2571122>hopefully the DNC kicks them outnot convinced they can. they would've kicked out Zohran in favor of their darling AIPAC candiate cuomo. that's the downside of having an open democratic primary
>>2571112DSA going the way of Militant Tendency?
Oh no. Who could have seen this coming.
>>2571112Honestly, the DSA should and would want this to happen. It would accelerate and validate their Dirty Break strategy.
>>2570704>No one hated romans more than their slaves.Bro only speaks in slogans. Knows nothing about history lmao.
>>2571141100% agreed. seems like it's going in that direction
>>2571139He's correct in this. Having a video aimed at young men starring young women in them is as tone deaf as making a video aimed at black people featuring the waspiest men you can imagine talking about how bad drugs are. Its absolutely tonal deaf
>>2571139>>2571156It's not aimed at young men though it's aimed at their parents.
You guys are terrible at reading.
Also funny to bring up privilege and heterosexuality when plenty of rich dudes are falling for this crap and Fuentes is gay as fuck.
>>2571139For me, it wasn't about the white woman aspect as much as how toothless the video was. She was almost praising the guy. Yeah she did show that he praised Hitler, but this is just reiterating his position while looking like a poor scared maiden asking who will sta~hp these
exponentially growing Nazi Mexican bvlls. Rightoids have such thin skin many of them will still get offended but this is more of a blowjob than of a bite. She could have at least mentioned that he's a Mexican ffs, anything, grow some teeth, lady!
>>2570738>DearbornI miss the news
the only thing recent I remembered about anywhere near Detroit; was that Hamtramck had election fraud by anti-homosex flag muslim reactionaries
>>2571169 (me)
Now that I think about it, the whole breadtube thing was just this video but on a larger scale. Liberal feminists validating edgy retards online by talking about them non-stop and saying they are a threat.
>>2571179i know he's a rightoid but I respect massie
>>2571179you, me, and anon, we're the only real MAGA patriots who are still loyal to Trump not frauds like massie and MTG promoting the biden-epstein hoax. Lauren Loomer too.
>>2571124> my job as a professional revolutionaryThe professional revolutionary factory needs to stop sending our jobs to China
>>2570990trump should just come out, the repressing is killing him
>>2571190its ok im self employed
what's new in the free world?
>>2571154Bro doesn’t realize he’s the president and he can end the stupid war if he hates it so much
new thread
>>2571257new thread
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>>2571257>>25699611. how do you know this person is an "ML"
2. how does posting that quote reveal they are a "faggot liberal"
3. why are they wrong
4. are you sad your sad little bait didn't get a real reply until the thread was full?
>>2571128What chud shit has he said?
>>2571169>The guy we're telling you is a white supremacist isn't even white! What now, Chud?Yeah this will definitely work, lmao
>>2571284<what chud shit has haz said?
>conservatives are the real revolutionaries>leftists are neo nazis and degenerates>women should be divided, not united>having sex should make you feel sick>ethical landlords are allowed into the ACP>being gay makes you imperailist>being a lesbian makes you imperialist>being bisexual makes you imperialist>being trans makes you imperialist>"MAGA" communism>Marx was a monotheist>Dialectical materialism is Islamic>Christians, Muslims, and Jews should team up with Communists against degenerate Atheistsand much much more!
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