Can we talk about the new revelations about Noam Chomsky and Jeffrey Epstein?
>The prominent linguist and philosopher Noam Chomsky called it a “most valuable experience” to have maintained “regular contact” with Jeffrey Epstein, who by then had long been convicted of soliciting prostitution from a minor, according to emails released earlier in November by US lawmakers.
>Such comments from Chomsky, or attributed to him, suggest his association with Epstein – who officials concluded killed himself in jail in 2019 while awaiting trial on federal sex-trafficking charges – went deeper than the occasional political and academic discussions the former had previously claimed to have with the latter.
>Chomsky, 96, had also reportedly acknowledged receiving about $270,000 from an account linked to Epstein while sorting the disbursement of common funds relating to the first of his two marriages, though the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) professor has insisted not “one penny” came directly from the infamous financier.
>The emails disclosed on 12 November by the Republican members of the US House oversight committee generally detailed the correspondence Epstein had with political, academic and business luminaries, including the Bill Clinton White House’s treasury secretary Larry Summers and Steve Bannon, the longtime ally of Donald Trump. Further, they reveal Epstein and Chomsky were close enough to discuss musical interests and even potential vacations.
>Perhaps the most telling of the Chomsky-related documents in question was a letter of support for Epstein attributed to Chomsky with the salutation “to whom it may concern”. It is not dated, but it contains a typed signature with Chomsky’s name and citing his position as a University of Arizona laureate professor, a role he began in 2017, as first reported by the Massachusetts news outlet WBUR.https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/nov/22/noam-chomsky-jeffrey-epstein-ties-emailsA couple of things:
1. How could any principled anarchist be friends with a billionaire?
2. I get that Chomsky radicalized a lot of American Gen Xers and Millennials. Anarchists in the 90s and 2000s looked up to him as a god-man of sorts. He wrote many books that have become classics among the Gen X and Millennial American left. But how will this stain his reputation? Will he be cancelled? His books burned or thrown in the trash?
3. Is this a case of "live long enough to be the villain" or was Chomsky always sus?
4. How do you think Michael Parenti and Slavoj Zizek are taking this news?
Personally, I like to take it as a reminder that we shouldn't idolize people.
>>2570863So Lula is in the Epstein files as well? Hmmmmm
>>2570858Correct. We also need to stop naming ideologies after people.
>>2570870If Lula was in the Epstein files, wouldn't Israel used the blackmail material from Epstein to silence him? [Of course this assumes Epstein was mossad]. Because Lula appears hostile to Israel's genocide.
>>25708541. He was never a principled anything.
2. He's already being cancelled as we speak.
3. Yes. He should have died in 2015 and given a state funeral by Obomber.
4. Parenti has dementia so he probably doesn't care. Slavoj is most likely laughing his ass off.
Did Chomsky pay Epstein for a teen prostitute?
>>2570888He was at Epstein's ranch. Take from that what you will.
If he didn't rape kids, why should we care?
>>2570854>1. How could any principled anarchist be friends with a billionaire?This is every trust fund kid.
You guys have no problem with Stalin's 14 year old gf, so whats your problem with Chomsky?
>>2570941Stalin is dead. Chomsky is not.
>>2570941>Stalin's 14 year old gfliterally fake news. Only source is Montefiore who's source told him to trust him, bro
>>2570943didn't montefiore have a few rides in epstein's jet?
>>2570945just a coincidence that the great bourgeois historians are also pedophiles, i assure you
How do anarchists enforce age of consent laws anyway?
They blackmailed him because he defended Khmer Rogue
>>2570947Anarcho-police, anarcho-labor camps like in Catalonia, anarcho-courts, anarcho-everything that must be done to keep the A inside the O like in Anarchy is Order and stuff
>>2570947"Pedophiles are a product of patriarchy, get rid of capitalism and the state and people won't want to be pedos anymore."
>>2570950>patriarchyThats libspeak nonsense idpol, any principled anarchist would want anarcho-police like Makhno's secret police and anarcho-labor camps like in Catalonia
Dirlewanger and Makhno are the only two instances of a bandit state in the XX century.
>>2570950How do anarkids get rid of patriarchy then? They can't even fix patriarchy in their own spaces.
>>2570955>They can't even fix patriarchy in their own spaces.Yes. we live in capitalist modernity. Literal retard.
>>2570955Patriarchy doesn't mean anything, its just a buzzword for libs to reveal themselves as neoliberal idpol cockmonglers
>>2570957>>2570959Every female anarchist I know will confirm there's a lot of rape and abuse of women in anarchist circles. Really makes you wonder how they think they can do a revolution and wipe out all oppression in the world, if they continue to oppress each other.
>>2570962In contrast every trotskyist in existance relies on rape to survive
>>2570962Anon. there is a lot of rape in all spaces, we live in capitalist modernity. Again asking if you are retarded?
Trotskyists spread through rape the same way judaism spreads by foreskin mutilation
>>2570962There’s a lot of rape in all non-feminist political spaces, including ML spaces. Oh wait, those German women were fascist whores that deserved to be raped, right? Right.
>>2570982>There’s a lot of rape in all non-feminist political spacesalmost like there's some kind of pervasive gender based power structure influencing things… perhaps we could fashion some name for it?
>>2570904>If he didn't rape kids, why should we care?Even if Chomsky didn't touch any kids [ or didn't Used Epstein's services for sex], a number of questions still remain
1. Why was Epstein one Chomsky's contacts?
2. The nature of Chomsky's relationship with Epstein?
3. What did Chomsky know of Epstein's character?
Chomsky must have also known about Epstein's criminal allegations at the time [He reads after all]. And I believe he was asked about this in an interview, and his response was along the lines of some sort of higher principle of innocent until proven guilty.
The fact you were proven to be in contact with Epstein, Noam, makes your "higher principle" viewpoint rather suspect and hollow.
>>2571035I will add, the reason to care about this, is because Chomsky is a well known public intellectual, who has influenced generations of leftists, and political science types. The fact that Chomsky had contacts with Epstein, brings into question Chomsky's entire political and moral character.
>>2571035>1. Why was Epstein one Chomsky's contacts?Because he was a fixer with connections to the state institution Chomsky is a member of.
Honestly the most interesting thing about the revelations is that they've made chomsky's connections to power very clear.
>>2571035>Chomsky must have also known about Epstein's criminal allegations at the time [He reads after all]. And I believe he was asked about this in an interview, and his response was along the lines of some sort of higher principle of innocent until proven guilty.It was worse than that, iirc, it was under the principle of 'a man who has served his time…' and etc.
He had an open Epstein connection for many years before this and I got banned once for posting it because the mods are dipshits. I believe the story was focused on Chomsky helping Epstein with some financial stuff, which he downplayed though now we know for sure he was covering his own ass.
>1. How could any principled anarchist be friends with a billionaire?
He was never principled. He was a staunch defender of the DNC which is inherently statist.
>2. I get that Chomsky radicalized a lot of American Gen Xers and Millennials.
Did he? Everyone I see that holds onto him are liberals. Even Foucault had a better knowledge of social relations under Capitalism than Chomsky. Saying bad things about Israel (low hanging fruit) doesn't make you a radical. The most radical thing he ever did was his uncritical defense of Pol Pot.
As an entry into radical politics, then yeah sure maybe I see your point. I just don't think enough people actually move beyond him. I feel like someone like Zizek has done way more for that and he gets endlessly criticized (by reactionary campists so who gives a fuck) unlike Chomsky.
>3. Was Chomsky always sus?
As I said, the Epstein connection was already known. I have no objective opinion of his linguistic system but I find it completely uninteresting and his attempts to fuse it with political theory to be right alongside astrology. I'm sure it's amazing in that field, which I know nothing about, but I know his attempts to branch it out like in his Foucault debate.
>4. How do you think Michael Parenti and Slavoj Zizek are taking this news?
No opinion on Parenti but I don't think Slavoj is going to really comment on it. Finklestein had a similar situation where a previous rival got exposed as a nonce-defender and he didn't really shove his nose into it. It's just a bad look.
>>2570854>Can we talk about irrelevant shitno
who the fuck cares. Chomsky work in linguistic and propaganda analysis is still good, and he isnt a political leader
>1. How could any principled anarchist be friends with a billionaire?what kind of idiotic moralistic cunt think politics is some purity olympic forbidding relation with the upper classes ? was marx not a principled communist because he was bff with a bourgeois ?
>how will this stain his reputation?again, who the fuck cares, he is almost dead anyway, and furthermore theres literally nothing incriminating in what you just posted. Yeah intellectuals often beg money to billionaires, nothing new
>Is this a case of "live long enough to be the villain" no
>How do you think Michael Parenti and Slavoj Zizek are taking this newswho fucking cares, you're obsessed with isg tier eceleb drama bs
>>2571052do you recall there was also a meeting he set up with ehud barak and chomsky?
>>2570993I’m not the one denying the existence of patriarchy
>>2570948he never defended khmer rouge, this is a false meme
>>2570948>>2571107You're both half wrong and half right.
Back when the Khmer Rouge were still in power, Chomsky admitted that Pol Pot was killing a lot of people, lots of civilians for no real reasons.
But he also stated that he didn't believe it was a genocide because he didn't believe they were targeting certain minority groups with intent, and that he thought the US government exaggerated the figures and level of brutality for their own propaganda aims.
>>2571121>and that he thought the US government exaggerated the figures and level of brutality for their own propaganda aims.he was also half right here, another half would be to recognize more governments did this than just the us
he also talked about there being no major english reports on the ongoing east timor genocide and illegal occupation by suharto's indonesia at the same time as there was mass reporting on atrocity in cambodia
>>2570895based zekman
I don't what the small words say tho
>>2570943>>2570945Every accusation a confession
>actually caring about this
It isn’t 2008 anymore and Chomsky has no relevancy to the US left.
>>2570982Pretty sure the reason was that the Germans raped 20 million Slavic women so the Soviets raped German women as revenge, and not that a woman being fascist makes her fair game to being raped. Additionally, the female Soviet soldiers approved of the raping of German women.
Anarchist bitch here.
I’m from Boston, so I’ve seen more Chomsky lectures than I can count over the past 20 years. One of my ex-boyfriends took me to a Chomsky talk on our first date. I own many of his books (Manufacturing Consent, Hegemony or Survival, Failed States, What Uncle Sam Really Wants). While I’m long over him and his politics, I thought it would be useful to put this into context. Chomsky is (or was, now that he’s been a vegetable for well over a year) an intellectual elite part of the academic elite world. You would be shocked at how pervasive the ivory tower stuff is in Boston. It’s just like how in LA it’s Hollywood/entertainment, DC it’s politics, in Boston it’s academia. But anyway, intellectual elites spend a good amount of their time schmoozing with other intellectual elites. Even if Chomsky was an “anarchist” critical of elite institutions he was still a part of that world and largely played by its rule book.
I can’t really say I’m all that shocked he was buddies with Epstein. They ran in the same circles so it makes sense they’d be friends. Plus, intellectual elites don’t really care about each others’ moral character as much as they care about grand ideas. I’m certain Chomsky and Epstein were having long convos about linguistics and politics just as much as they were talking about nefarious shit.
>>2570955Shame the sexism away.
not every rapist is a socdem but every socdem is a rapist
>>2571401it was the poles and ukranians doing the raping
>>2570854>1. How could any principled anarchist be friends with a billionaire?<principled anarchistlmao, there is no such thing
>2. I get that Chomsky radicalized a lot of American Gen Xers and Millennials. Anarchists in the 90s and 2000s looked up to him as a god-man of sorts. He wrote many books that have become classics among the Gen X and Millennial American left. But how will this stain his reputation? Will he be cancelled? His books burned or thrown in the trash?He was always controlled opposition, so his entire reputation should be considered trash regardless. Anarchists will always just be a footnote in history, the only reason the old state continues to prop them up is because they are no threat to it
>3. Is this a case of "live long enough to be the villain" or was Chomsky always sus?Always reminds me of his debate with Foucault, always a pedo.
>4. How do you think Michael Parenti and Slavoj Zizek are taking this news?Who fucking cares what two anti-communists think?
>>2571527Parenti is anti-communist now?
>>2570982There's a lot of rape in feminist spaces too TBH.
>>2570854>Will he be cancelled? His books burned or thrown in the trash?I don’t know of a single leftist younger than 34 who cares about Chomsky at all.
Chomsky is part of an era of left-wing intellectuals in the US who existed in the worst conditions possible for that sort of thing and as far as I'm aware his only contributions to radical thought have been essentially being a figurehead for anarchism to make it seem more legitimate to people who think if something doesn't have clout with an institution like academia it must not be legitimate. he probably was only ever able to have a career in academia while also being openly a red anarchist by having ties to people like Epstein because the Anglosphere only incidentally produces anything of intellectual value if it's useful for the NATO military-industrial complex, which largely rules out the humanities.
if David Graeber was in the Epstein files then I'd give more of a shit since he's actually contributed a lot to radical thought, but Chomsky has never been anything more than a guy with clout who paid lip service to ideas that a lot of other socialists have said.
>”principled anarchist”
Chomsky stopped being anarchist after he got smoked in the debate with Foucault.
>>2570894Chomsky was never a Marxist he was always an anarcho liberal anti communist
>>2571647Yeah. Before that debate he used to talk quite a lot about anarcho-syndicalism and such. After the debate he only spoke about typical criticisms of US foreign policy.
>>2570854>1. How could any principled anarchist be friends with a billionaire?The entire student body of Hampshire College has entered the chat.
>>2570863probably to implicate more left wing people
>>2571174[Zizek] expressed his willingness to implement policies of liberal economic restructuring, which had already had catastrophic consequences for workers, asserting that he's a "pragmatist" in this area: "If it works, why not try a dose of it?" Indeed, he openly advocated for "planned privatizations" and flatly asserted, like a good capitalist ideologue: "more capitalism in our case would mean more social security." This was, once again, in perfect line with Reagan's NSDD 133, which explicitly called for "Yugoslavia's long-term internal liberalization" and the promotion of a "market-oriented Yugoslav economic structure."
>>2571749I don't think you understood the point of the post you are responding to.
>>2571949>probably to implicate more left wing peopleThat would mean Chomsky was a Mossad/CIA agent or an agent of influence.
Hmm…. I just wonder if there was a genuine reason, with in the cause to free Lula, and Chomsky's supposed political/ideological alignment.
I will be burning my Chomsky books later today.
>>2572012Well, i prefer to look at what is said, not who says it.
Chomsky has made some good points in his books which when we isolate from the recent drama, is logical.
>>2572012That seems very stupid.
Great, now everyone is going to focus on him being a child rapist and not his anticommunism and running cover for empire
SocDems: not even once
Don’t care; Parenti better
>>2570959It's certainly a very useful word for reactionaries to reveal themselves as such
>>2571996>noooooo they were just talking about muh science it's perfectly fine to be friends with a child rapist if all you're talking about is scienceCope
>>2570854Never trust an elite academic.
>>2571052>I have no objective opinion of his linguistic systemI do and it's crap that held back the field by inertia of its "Great Man" association. The one good things LLMs did was clean shop of the useless theories in lingusitics.
>>2570854I think it depends on how you see it.
Most likely approach is that Chomsky benefited somehow from the relationship. Either donations or networking (as proven). As such, hanging out and communicating with Epstein can be seen as “part of the job” rather than a personal relationship and approval of Epstein’s actions. In this case, overlooking his conviction is strategy, not approval.
On the other hand, we could assume a friendly relationship beyond mutual benefit. I find this unlikely. Men of their age, with such different interests would hardly become friends. Much less to the point of Chomsky approving Epstein’s deviant behaviors.
Another possibility is his wife Valeria pushed him towards Epstein for personal benefit, such as meeting Woody Allen.
His recommendation letter of Epstein is strange though. Not even his recommendation for Finkelstein was so flattery. We should keep in mind the possibility of it being written by AI
Broke: Hegemony
Woke: Survival
Bespoke: Joining the hegemony for personal enrichment and calling it survival
How is this relevant to the left?
just typical anarcho retardo things
>>2575554That Talmudic verse is literally about whether or not a girl who was molested as a small child is still considered a virgin on her wedding day. It’s absolutely not an endorsement of child rape.
>>2575899>>2575899It's about determining the price of slave fussy, who are you trying to make it sound kosher?
<And similarly, with regard to a female convert, or a captive woman, or a maidservant, who were ransomed with regard to the captive, or who converted with regard to the convert, or who were freed with regard to the maidservant, when she was more than three years and one day old, for all of these, their marriage contract is one hundred dinars and they are not subject to a claim concerning their virginity. When they married, their presumptive status was that of a non-virgin.
>Rav Oshaya raised an objection to the opinion of Rav from the mishna: With regard to an adult man who engaged in intercourse with a minor girl less than three years old, or a minor boy less than nine years old who engaged in intercourse with an adult woman, or a woman who had her hymen ruptured by wood or any other foreign object, the marriage contract for each of these women is two hundred dinars. This is the statement of Rabbi Meir. And the Rabbis say: The marriage contract of a woman whose hymen was ruptured by wood is one hundred dinars. Contrary to Rav’s opinion, the Rabbis distinguish between the halakha in the case of the intercourse of a minor boy and the halakha in the case of a woman whose hymen was ruptured by wood. Everyone wish Noam a happy birthday.
>>2600880Pope JP2 met with Epstein?
>>2570854Parenti doesn't even know where he is, he won't hear this.
Doesn't surprise me what do Epstein and Chomsky have in common?
>>2601759>Doesn't surprise me what do Epstein and Chomsky have in common?both are anarchist anti-leninists
>>2601759What do they have in common anon? They're both liberals?
>>2601808>>2601811Both of those are +50 pedo points but there's other things they have in common to up the pedo points
>>2601815You wanna hear that they are jooz. I think their anti-communist identity trumps all. Once you are anti-communist, pederasty is the next natural step.
>>2573084>someone can't make useful contributions to science if they're a le bad personI would have posted that image of people citing Ted Kaczynski but I can't find it, so just use your imagination
>>2600838How are they reacting to the Chomsky-Epstein Photo?
>Foucault: pedo
>Chomsky: pedo
>Gilles Dauve: pedo
Why is every post-Marxist, PoMo, leftcom, lol lolbertian socialist, etc. like this
And people still bring up the fake story about Stalin sleeping with 14 year old which is based on a guy who HIMSELF has connections to Epstein
You can't make this shit up.
>>2604377"I know that after my death a pile of rubbish will be heaped on my grave, but the wind of History will sooner or later sweep it away without mercy."
And it is indeed truly merciless.
I suspect as time goes on even more prominent anti-Stalin figures will be revealed to be child molesters and other such kinds of scum.
>>2604398Lad if you view Marxism as a science you cant be going on and on about how everyone who disagrees with you is an immoral child molester rapist. This is not scientific temper, this is religious moralism. Quantum physicians dont go around saying that whoever disagrees with their specific interpretation of the space time curvature is an animal torture or some nonsense like that!
>>2604414In fact i think this position is rather hypocritical considering how many sexual and harassnent scandals happened in tankie spaces, be it with trotskyite microsects or leninist influencers on twitter
>>2604415How are trotskyite groups tankie spaces? Who are these supposed "leninist" twitter influencers? Get outta here man
>>2604417>Marxism-Leninism-Trotskyism is not Tankie, unlike Marxism-Leninism-Stalinism Also on the matter of tankie influencers i still remember when a grooming scandal happened with socdoneleft and one involving a minor celebrity that ppl here probably wont recognize, but again my point is that when you say shit about how all of the people who disagreed with you especially fellow leftists are all secretly evil rapists you are not being scientific, much less materialist, you are adopting a religious zealot's mentality
>>2604414>Quantum physicians dont go around saying that whoever disagrees with their specific interpretation of the space time curvature is an animal torture or some nonsense like that!If you actually hang out with Quantum physicists you'd know they do hurl wild accusations to their rivals.
Science is not a libtard-reddit reunion, science is a bloody war. Read Lenin.
>>2604424They dont do that uygha, i've read books about the Bergson-Epstein time debate, you can debate about the limits of empirical bourgeois science all you want but you're gonna be clowned if you call anyone disagreeing with you a Jeffrey Epstein. Fuck you can read what Marx thought about Adam Smith too, he didn't think that Smith was an evil landlord monster because the latter believed that capitalism was caused by private investments and legal uniformity. This is not something that online leftists are capable of doing apparently
>>2604421Yeah it's not lmao, are you dumb? Socdoneleft is just some reformist cuck, he's even less of a tankie that trots are.
>but again my point is that when you say shit about how all of the people who disagreed with you especially fellow leftists are all secretly evil rapists you are not being scientific, much less materialist, you are adopting a religious zealot's mentalityNobody cares about your pearl clutching
>>2604375
Wtf is this? Ain't clicking on that shit
>>2604450Yes, nobody cares about this, until some anarchists defame (you) as a rapist child molester because you dont think we should immediately aim for the dismantlement of any state structures
>>2604421False SA claims are one thing that will hurt the US left. The liberal reaction against so much mysogony has made even an accusation of SA just as bad as being found guilty. If you want to wreck any movement find an organizer that is doing well then accuse them of a laundry list of vague sex related charges
Bill Cosby had to put sedatives in women's drinks.
Noam Chomsky simply spoke normally.
>>2604414My brief claim was a psychological one about the kinds of people who are anti-Stalin.
I was not making a point about their worldviews or arguments against marxism, the political economy of the USSR, etc. being invalid on the basis of their degenerate behaviour or psyche. That would be an informal fallacy.
>>2604415The form of my claim is something like "If they hold anti-Stalin views, then they have higher likely of being depraved/degenerate."
Given its just a conditional and not a biconditional, the converse isn't necessarily true.
>>2604502Interestingly the original writer of Lolita was a Russian liberal, who opposed both the tsarism and bolshevism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_NabokovAnother example consistent with "If they hold anti-Stalin views, then they have higher likely of being depraved/degenerate."
>>2605686🙄 Lolita is not in any way a defense of pedophilia.
>>2604363bourgeois accuse beria of pedophilia
but bourgeois are proven pedophilia
>>2606675lolita is pedo garbage
>>2606675'Hey so this books sounds like an erotic pedo fan fiction but since it gives the thumbs down on pedophilia, it's ok!'
>>2606675Uh huh, nabokov was shaking his head while writing it
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qVtwVcYbz7k >>2604398Beria was a prolific child rapist
>>2570895I hate to hand it to him but at least he isn't a pedo
>>2606783>khruschev and montefore said so!!!!Lmao
>>2606818>>2606931t. didn't even read any of the cited sources
t. intentionally lying to cover for a pedophile
>>2606761>>2606687>>2606693Thank you comrades for backing me up.
I actually have never seen the clip posted in
>>2606693 . Intellectually its to be expected, but emotionally, by jove is the clip damning.
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>>2606675Yeah and 1984 is definitely not an attack on the Soviet Union and planned economies 😂🤣😂
Now that both anarchism (chomsky) and marxism leninism (beria) are proved to be pedophile ideologies can we all agree to become trotskyists?
>>2608602>as far as I knowWho is that?
>>2608615What evidence is there that Epstein was a pimp?
Really recontextualizes the fact he wrote back to me when I sent him a letter as a child.
So glad I outgrew my anarkiddy phase.
>>2608875>as a childNo wonder he wrote you back
Jewish niggers
"We have to oppose AES lilke the USSR we can trafficl their girls into my anarchist grooming commune." - Chomsky.
Ive been watching old clips of him in light of this. Maybe he was always fulç of shit.
>>2613684Modberg is gonna freak
>>2571035>his response was it was actually "thats none of your business" lmao
>>2614666So being a compatible leftoid superstar was just his personal indulgence?
Imagine you are head of an academic department like anthropology or whatever and you get an invite by a rich guy who is eager to donate and who also knows other rich guys. He tells you that he is a bit of a renaissance man and into "the big ideas", whatever these are. Why, just recently he saw something about ancient aliens building the pyramids, and isn't that interesting. You nod politely and just think about the big bag of money you want for your colleagues.
You can all whine how that is disappointing behavior but this is a nothingburger and you are all retarded.
>>2615335The fact Chomsky was friends with a known convicted pedophile and billionaire is enough for me to believe this is not a nothingburger but a very real somethingburger.
>>2570962Wtf I'm an anarkiddie now
>>2600880Is that Fidel Castro?
>>2571465Manufacturing consent is the only useful work of his imo and even then there are other leftists that essentially say the same thing. Chomsky always rubbed me the wrong the way for how intertwined he was with the bourgeoisie.
Perhaps I'm being romantic but the best leftist philosophers either partake in revolutionary activity or lose their minds and commit suicide from the pressure of living in a capitalist society and not being able to do anything about it, ~Mark Fisher, Debord, etc
>>2570863Lula made a "pact with the devil" (think high-finance, tech, WEF-types) and that's how he got out of prison and became the new president of Brazil while Bolsonaro was arrested. He puts up a facade of leftism, but Brazil is increasingly becoming a dictatorship controlled by financial elites in the Avenida Paulista and Wall-Street, with the judiciary and legislative serving as the actual administrators. The Brazillian Presidency is a symbolic/ceremonial role a this point.
>Chomsky-Epstein thread>No one mentions the far more forgiving nation article or the Harvard article with his response to earlier accusations<Like all of those in Cambridge who met and knew him, we knew that he had been convicted and served his time, which means that he re-enters society under prevailing norms — which, it is true, are rejected by the far right in the US and sometimes by unscrupulous employers<My guess is that Epstein wrote the letter himself (since it portrays him exactly as he wanted to be portrayed, as a polymath of “limitless curiosity, extensive knowledge, penetrating insights, and thoughtful appraisals”). Chomsky’s name appears at the bottom of the recommendation, but only in typed form. There is no university letterhead, signature, or any log or e-mail suggesting Chomsky sent the letter to Epstein as an attachment. The unsigned document was found in Epstein’s private files. Unless future document releases prove otherwise, this letter should not be taken as evidence of Chomsky’s opinion of Epstein.https://www.thenation.com/article/society/noam-chomsky-jeffrey-epstein-emails/https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2023/5/3/epstein-nowak-chomsky-meeting-2015/ bump
add the new connections to the thread. keep it relevant.
>>2570962>Every female anarchist I know will confirm there's a lot of rape and abuse of women in anarchist circles.Why lie so shamelessly?
>>2570982Do feminist parasites actually believe this? There's a reason that male feminists are stereotyped to be sex pests
>>2570854Why did the jannies delete the other topic where we were discussing Chomsky's racism? Why do they want to suppress discussion of this topic?
>>2676053Cant cope with all the skeletons in their idol's closet.
>>2676798Wow. There's nothing else about Caribbean Islands that could refer to.
>>2677033How many non-pedorape islands do you think Epstein owned anon?
>>2676032Anarchism is a sex cult, it's inherent to it, see bakunin
>>2677042Chomsky sounds like Yakovlev in that clip.
>>2676798That email is 100% proof that Chomsky was a pedo.
america doesnt produce thinkers and philosophers, chomsky was like the one guy they allowed to be a somewhat known figure. But turns out he a weirdo hooked up with epsitine. I could never stand him cause his voice puts me to sleep. Seems like he was controlled opposition anyways
>>2677605BLACKPILL: You don't have a friend who's as close to you as Chomsky was to Epstein.
>>2677187Fink the Unsinkable
>>2678726The grayzone is POL POT pilled and will defend any sincere anti imperialist.
>>2678731They're yet another example of controlled opposition and narrative management, that's what they are.
>>2570854Yeah Chomsky was very much a pedo.
I never a super Chomsky fan since I am an ML and he is an Anarchist but I always was a fan of his theory of 'Manufacturing Consent' which is the theory that that the mass communication media of the U.S. "are effective and powerful ideological institutions that carry out a system-supportive propaganda function, by reliance on market forces, internalized assumptions, and self-censorship, and without overt coercion." It's a theory in the same way that gravity is a theory, however at the end of the day Chomsky was trying to manufacture consent himself, the AGE of consent that is. Should I just attribute it to Edward S. Herman and still use it?
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Well of corse the government literally talks to the media but that is Fox-News level media. I think this theory still applies to YouTubers and stuff but I get what you are saying.
I'm not gonna defend Chomskek at all here but I do want to point out that he is the rare exception where the client or other person in the emails wasn't censored. Almost like they specifically didn't redact him specifically because he's like the one lefty person in there.
>>2679371You'd get more mileage out of Gramsci and Fisher than Chomsky, prove me wrong
>>2679395>Almost like they specifically didn't redact him specifically because he's like the one lefty person in there.That's almost certainly the reason.
chomsky was a military contractor at mit. all his bs linguistics which are completely useless were an attempt to create a voice interface for generals to interface with long range ballistic missiles with. he sucked from the get
What is even the point of this cope thread? If you were ever an admirer of chomsky you dont belong on this site in the first place
>>2678726>>2678773nothing on their website i can see about these files.
>>2677098Putler can't even save Russian women from his friend Epstein bro tweaking 😹
I know almost everyone on this website hates anarchists, but Bob Black is the most vindicated on this lmao, his writing on chomsky always was on point and hilarious.
Anyway, only twitterdemocratnatoanarchists (also known as socdems) liked chomsky anyway.
>>2679577>What is even the point of this cope thread?How is this a "cope" thread?
>>2679371>I am an MLyou are a hasan fan lol
>>2677839We already know theyre both cunts so no one really is surprised.
>>2679585woah is that putin?
https://www.aaronmate.net/p/noam-chomskys-wife-responds-to-epstein?utm_campaign=post-expanded-share&utm_medium=web&triedRedirect=trueValeria Chomsky (Chomsky's wife) published an open letter regarding this controversy. The short version is that basically she says they didn't knew about what was going on behind the scenes. She says that Chomsky was developing a relationship with Epstein due to professional interests because Epstein presented himself to them as a philanthropist of science, and also because Epstein was introducing Chomsky to several important and influential people he was interested in (such as Ehud Barak). She admits they visited his manhattan townhouse, his paris apartment, and the new mexico ranch; but she claims that they never visited the island. She also claimed that the 270K USD transfer that Chomsky received from Epstein didn't had anything to do with Epstein's criminal activities.
Frankly I'm not sure how much of it I believe personally. Specially given the fact they admit to have visited the Zorro Ranch which is arguably one of the creepiest sites; that's where he was keeping the "breeding slaves" and where there were corpses buried around the property, and the property had some ultra creepy paintings in it, including one called "Massacre of the Innocents" which has a bunch of babies being killed in it. And even if all she said is true, it still hardly does anything to restore his reputation in my opinion. Even in the most charitable interpretation possible of this whole affair, Chomsky is still a false dissident who suckers up to billionaires in name of getting funded and connected to powerful people (among which a former prime minister of the genocidal zionist entity).
>>2684710>When you have to befriend the convicted child prostitution solicitor billionaire, visit his new york townhouse, apartment in Paris and ranch in Mexico (But not the island, phew that was a close one) because you're interested in meeting racist warcriminal, former Israeli PM Ehud Barak. The 270K this pedophile then transferred to you wasn't related to his enterprise in sex trafficking minors/extortion somehowWell thank god she cleared that up for us
>>2684710>She also claimed that the 270K USD transfer that Chomsky received from Epstein didn't had anything to do with Epstein's criminal activities.How could she know this though?
>Specially given the fact they admit to have visited the Zorro Ranch which is arguably one of the creepiest sitesI think she's trying to pull on people's ignorance. Most people probably heard about the island, but not about the other creepy sites.
>>2687244Not too sound too apologetic but this sounds more and more like elder abuse.
https://web.archive.org/web/20141104213116/https://theliberal.co.il/%D7%A0%D7%95%D7%A2%D7%9D-%D7%97%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%A1%D7%A7%D7%99-%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%99%D7%95%D7%9F-%D7%9E%D7%99%D7%95%D7%97%D7%93-%D7%9C%D7%90-%D7%97%D7%A9%D7%91%D7%AA%D7%99-%D7%A9%D7%96%D7%95I found a link to an interview of Chomsky, that gives some info on Valeria.
>"Valerie was born in Brazil and raised Catholic," says Chomsky, "but for some mysterious reason, in her teens she somehow drifted towards Judaism. She went to a synagogue, an Orthodox one, to be exact, and there she was warmly welcomed. She even learned a little Hebrew. The first time we visited New York together, she dragged me to the Central Synagogue in Manhattan for an hour of introspection and to take advantage of the opportunity to read the Bible in Hebrew. Was Valeria Noams mossad handler? Kind of like Ethan and Hilarious Klein.
>>2687271The spoiler filter was accidental.
>>2687278Sloptuber still fails to see that anarchism got majority astroturfed by sociademocrats, liberals a long time ago, and its opponents deny there being anything else, ignoring the minority of principled anarchists that remain in IFA federations
>>2687278>>2687279Also that description
>radical activist>radical>activisttheres nothing radical about activism, lmao, shitlib, as expected from a sloptuber
>>2687279>>2687280So you're not going to listen to their actual discussion? Okay.
>>2687286this feels like trying to tell doggies all the "feel good" words
"who wants a treat?"
"wanna go for a walk to the park?"
"do you want belly rubs?"
they don't know what's relevant anymore, same old regurgitated shit, they don't know about the anarchist-communist that have been trying to create a program for all federations, the analysis and arguments on the instrumentality of the state to see the contradictions of the first international, the push for condemndation of modern "anarchists" as liberals and reactionaries, the critiques of pre-AC schools of thought, they don't even know AC is mostly founded on Malatesta and Carlos - sloptubers barely mention Carlos because he even received a thanks from Marx for his work
>>2687288they dont know about the AC trying to implement economic planning, they don't know about the AC criticizing popular fronts and condemning the failed projects of the past analyzing them to learn from the mistakes, they don't know about the AC who want to do away with trade, exchange, commodity production, property, the value form, trade for a form of planning, they don't know AC writings on planned production….
Instead its all the same libshit buzzwords.
>>2687305Which Max? Not Blumenthal right?
>>2687289What did she do?
>>2687327She isolated Chomsky from his family, and honey trapped him.
>>2687286How are they wrong about anarchism?
How will this board respond when Chomsky finally dies?
Will he get a sticky?
>>2687332Because using chomsky as a point of critique for the whole of anarachism is absolutely retarded, also the sound on that video is atrocious, I'm sure that whole hour video could be condensed in a 3 paragraph twitter post.
I listened to 5minutes and it's clear they are just talking out of their ass and their whole argumentation is built upon whatever view of anarchism they got from looking at fucking twitter slop, completely unserious.
>>2687324Not a single word in that image is 'word salad/vomit salad', you illiterate fucking retard. Go buy a rope.
>>2687375What a mess, it's like watching succession, but somehow worse
>Pls Jeffrey sweety my honey trapped husband's children are being literal nazis!!Bro she loved this guy lmfao
>Meanwhile I'll reread King Lear Chomsky is a fan of schizo ethnographic maps confirmed?
>>2687390king lear needs to explain himself.
>>2687379The text in the pic is just self evident shit that has been obvious to everyone since the 19th century, your added text is the empty wordsalad you cretin
>>2687315I remember this interview, he actually starts giggling like a little schoolboy about his new wife. In hindsight a disturbing moment
>>2687266its a possibility. i also heard she was much younger. not against age-gaps, but we've seen his pattern before, like kash patel.
>>2687407Extremely weird for sure, converts are basically always retarded and crazy regardless of religion, but jewish conversion is rarely heard about, seems like she's an actual mumbo-jumbo believer tho. Also Noam "having an hour of reflection in the synagoge and taking the opportunity to read the bible in Hebrew" is odd, isn't this guy an atheist? I guess he is a Jewish linguist, but still. Did the 50 y/o pussy really dazzle his 90 year old ass this much?
>>2687348They're obviously referring to colloquially understood american anarchism. Because Chomsky was THE anarchism guru for unitedstatesians for a good while. No shit they're not mentioning your preferred based brand of anarchism in a chomsky video.
>>2687412>Because Chomsky was THE anarchism guru for unitedstatesians only for people who arent anarchists.
>Bernie sanders was THE socialism guru for usiansSee how dumb that sounds now?
>>2687407>what sane person converts to Judaism?Tim Watley did for the jokes.
>>2687430You joke but this is kind of true. Bernie was the diet version of socialist (social democracy) while Chomsky was the diet version of anarchist (khmer rouge thought) and they were significant as representatives of both of those things to the broader population. You don't need to be super precise all the time just to criticize the sort of movements or ideological strains they spawned. I wouldn't necessarily consider a dsa berniebro to be an avthentic red marxist patriot but I wouldn't really care if someone like that calls himself a socialist or gets called a socialist by someone criticizing that movement.
>>2687443Imagine getting written out of your dad's will at the suggestion of Epstein lol. No wonder his wifey loved this guy
>>2687407>Like seriously, what sane person converts to Judaism?either a weird protestant background due to US missionaries in brazil or maybe a weird catholic who found converting to judaism edgy and rebellious
>>2690369Christ man imagine having this type of shit in writing. "You are my best friend Jeffrey, to know you has been one of the greatest experiences of my life, I will cherish you always."
Even Bill and Donald weren't glazing his ass this much. What a disgrace. I hope he's still somewhat conscious these days and he's aware how much this is destroying his reputation
>>2690373>I hope he's still somewhat conscious these days and he's aware how much this is destroying his reputationChomsky never admitted to being wrong about anything in public life. If he hadn't had that stroke a few years ago he probably would've doubled down and ruined his reputation further
>>2675427Chomsky seems to be saying there that success of black people like C. Rice today compared to 400 years ago cannot be explained by evolutionary change because that's too short, implying that it's due to changes in society. What is your problem with that.
Blood will out. It's a big (((club))) and you ain't in it, goy.
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