Can we talk about the new revelations about Noam Chomsky and Jeffrey Epstein?
>The prominent linguist and philosopher Noam Chomsky called it a “most valuable experience” to have maintained “regular contact” with Jeffrey Epstein, who by then had long been convicted of soliciting prostitution from a minor, according to emails released earlier in November by US lawmakers.
>Such comments from Chomsky, or attributed to him, suggest his association with Epstein – who officials concluded killed himself in jail in 2019 while awaiting trial on federal sex-trafficking charges – went deeper than the occasional political and academic discussions the former had previously claimed to have with the latter.
>Chomsky, 96, had also reportedly acknowledged receiving about $270,000 from an account linked to Epstein while sorting the disbursement of common funds relating to the first of his two marriages, though the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) professor has insisted not “one penny” came directly from the infamous financier.
>The emails disclosed on 12 November by the Republican members of the US House oversight committee generally detailed the correspondence Epstein had with political, academic and business luminaries, including the Bill Clinton White House’s treasury secretary Larry Summers and Steve Bannon, the longtime ally of Donald Trump. Further, they reveal Epstein and Chomsky were close enough to discuss musical interests and even potential vacations.
>Perhaps the most telling of the Chomsky-related documents in question was a letter of support for Epstein attributed to Chomsky with the salutation “to whom it may concern”. It is not dated, but it contains a typed signature with Chomsky’s name and citing his position as a University of Arizona laureate professor, a role he began in 2017, as first reported by the Massachusetts news outlet WBUR.https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/nov/22/noam-chomsky-jeffrey-epstein-ties-emailsA couple of things:
1. How could any principled anarchist be friends with a billionaire?
2. I get that Chomsky radicalized a lot of American Gen Xers and Millennials. Anarchists in the 90s and 2000s looked up to him as a god-man of sorts. He wrote many books that have become classics among the Gen X and Millennial American left. But how will this stain his reputation? Will he be cancelled? His books burned or thrown in the trash?
3. Is this a case of "live long enough to be the villain" or was Chomsky always sus?
4. How do you think Michael Parenti and Slavoj Zizek are taking this news?
Personally, I like to take it as a reminder that we shouldn't idolize people.
>>2570863So Lula is in the Epstein files as well? Hmmmmm
>>2570858Correct. We also need to stop naming ideologies after people.
>>2570870If Lula was in the Epstein files, wouldn't Israel used the blackmail material from Epstein to silence him? [Of course this assumes Epstein was mossad]. Because Lula appears hostile to Israel's genocide.
>>25708541. He was never a principled anything.
2. He's already being cancelled as we speak.
3. Yes. He should have died in 2015 and given a state funeral by Obomber.
4. Parenti has dementia so he probably doesn't care. Slavoj is most likely laughing his ass off.
Did Chomsky pay Epstein for a teen prostitute?
>>2570888He was at Epstein's ranch. Take from that what you will.
If he didn't rape kids, why should we care?
>>2570854>1. How could any principled anarchist be friends with a billionaire?This is every trust fund kid.
You guys have no problem with Stalin's 14 year old gf, so whats your problem with Chomsky?
>>2570941Stalin is dead. Chomsky is not.
>>2570941>Stalin's 14 year old gfliterally fake news. Only source is Montefiore who's source told him to trust him, bro
>>2570943didn't montefiore have a few rides in epstein's jet?
>>2570945just a coincidence that the great bourgeois historians are also pedophiles, i assure you
How do anarchists enforce age of consent laws anyway?
They blackmailed him because he defended Khmer Rogue
>>2570947Anarcho-police, anarcho-labor camps like in Catalonia, anarcho-courts, anarcho-everything that must be done to keep the A inside the O like in Anarchy is Order and stuff
>>2570947"Pedophiles are a product of patriarchy, get rid of capitalism and the state and people won't want to be pedos anymore."
>>2570950>patriarchyThats libspeak nonsense idpol, any principled anarchist would want anarcho-police like Makhno's secret police and anarcho-labor camps like in Catalonia
Dirlewanger and Makhno are the only two instances of a bandit state in the XX century.
>>2570950How do anarkids get rid of patriarchy then? They can't even fix patriarchy in their own spaces.
>>2570955>They can't even fix patriarchy in their own spaces.Yes. we live in capitalist modernity. Literal retard.
>>2570955Patriarchy doesn't mean anything, its just a buzzword for libs to reveal themselves as neoliberal idpol cockmonglers
>>2570957>>2570959Every female anarchist I know will confirm there's a lot of rape and abuse of women in anarchist circles. Really makes you wonder how they think they can do a revolution and wipe out all oppression in the world, if they continue to oppress each other.
>>2570962In contrast every trotskyist in existance relies on rape to survive
>>2570962Anon. there is a lot of rape in all spaces, we live in capitalist modernity. Again asking if you are retarded?
Trotskyists spread through rape the same way judaism spreads by foreskin mutilation
>>2570962There’s a lot of rape in all non-feminist political spaces, including ML spaces. Oh wait, those German women were fascist whores that deserved to be raped, right? Right.
>>2570982>There’s a lot of rape in all non-feminist political spacesalmost like there's some kind of pervasive gender based power structure influencing things… perhaps we could fashion some name for it?
>>2570904>If he didn't rape kids, why should we care?Even if Chomsky didn't touch any kids [ or didn't Used Epstein's services for sex], a number of questions still remain
1. Why was Epstein one Chomsky's contacts?
2. The nature of Chomsky's relationship with Epstein?
3. What did Chomsky know of Epstein's character?
Chomsky must have also known about Epstein's criminal allegations at the time [He reads after all]. And I believe he was asked about this in an interview, and his response was along the lines of some sort of higher principle of innocent until proven guilty.
The fact you were proven to be in contact with Epstein, Noam, makes your "higher principle" viewpoint rather suspect and hollow.
>>2571035I will add, the reason to care about this, is because Chomsky is a well known public intellectual, who has influenced generations of leftists, and political science types. The fact that Chomsky had contacts with Epstein, brings into question Chomsky's entire political and moral character.
>>2571035>1. Why was Epstein one Chomsky's contacts?Because he was a fixer with connections to the state institution Chomsky is a member of.
Honestly the most interesting thing about the revelations is that they've made chomsky's connections to power very clear.
>>2571035>Chomsky must have also known about Epstein's criminal allegations at the time [He reads after all]. And I believe he was asked about this in an interview, and his response was along the lines of some sort of higher principle of innocent until proven guilty.It was worse than that, iirc, it was under the principle of 'a man who has served his time…' and etc.
He had an open Epstein connection for many years before this and I got banned once for posting it because the mods are dipshits. I believe the story was focused on Chomsky helping Epstein with some financial stuff, which he downplayed though now we know for sure he was covering his own ass.
>1. How could any principled anarchist be friends with a billionaire?
He was never principled. He was a staunch defender of the DNC which is inherently statist.
>2. I get that Chomsky radicalized a lot of American Gen Xers and Millennials.
Did he? Everyone I see that holds onto him are liberals. Even Foucault had a better knowledge of social relations under Capitalism than Chomsky. Saying bad things about Israel (low hanging fruit) doesn't make you a radical. The most radical thing he ever did was his uncritical defense of Pol Pot.
As an entry into radical politics, then yeah sure maybe I see your point. I just don't think enough people actually move beyond him. I feel like someone like Zizek has done way more for that and he gets endlessly criticized (by reactionary campists so who gives a fuck) unlike Chomsky.
>3. Was Chomsky always sus?
As I said, the Epstein connection was already known. I have no objective opinion of his linguistic system but I find it completely uninteresting and his attempts to fuse it with political theory to be right alongside astrology. I'm sure it's amazing in that field, which I know nothing about, but I know his attempts to branch it out like in his Foucault debate.
>4. How do you think Michael Parenti and Slavoj Zizek are taking this news?
No opinion on Parenti but I don't think Slavoj is going to really comment on it. Finklestein had a similar situation where a previous rival got exposed as a nonce-defender and he didn't really shove his nose into it. It's just a bad look.
>>2570854>Can we talk about irrelevant shitno
who the fuck cares. Chomsky work in linguistic and propaganda analysis is still good, and he isnt a political leader
>1. How could any principled anarchist be friends with a billionaire?what kind of idiotic moralistic cunt think politics is some purity olympic forbidding relation with the upper classes ? was marx not a principled communist because he was bff with a bourgeois ?
>how will this stain his reputation?again, who the fuck cares, he is almost dead anyway, and furthermore theres literally nothing incriminating in what you just posted. Yeah intellectuals often beg money to billionaires, nothing new
>Is this a case of "live long enough to be the villain" no
>How do you think Michael Parenti and Slavoj Zizek are taking this newswho fucking cares, you're obsessed with isg tier eceleb drama bs
>>2571052do you recall there was also a meeting he set up with ehud barak and chomsky?
>>2570993I’m not the one denying the existence of patriarchy
>>2570948he never defended khmer rouge, this is a false meme
>>2570948>>2571107You're both half wrong and half right.
Back when the Khmer Rouge were still in power, Chomsky admitted that Pol Pot was killing a lot of people, lots of civilians for no real reasons.
But he also stated that he didn't believe it was a genocide because he didn't believe they were targeting certain minority groups with intent, and that he thought the US government exaggerated the figures and level of brutality for their own propaganda aims.
>>2571121>and that he thought the US government exaggerated the figures and level of brutality for their own propaganda aims.he was also half right here, another half would be to recognize more governments did this than just the us
he also talked about there being no major english reports on the ongoing east timor genocide and illegal occupation by suharto's indonesia at the same time as there was mass reporting on atrocity in cambodia
>>2570895based zekman
I don't what the small words say tho
>>2570943>>2570945Every accusation a confession
>actually caring about this
It isn’t 2008 anymore and Chomsky has no relevancy to the US left.
>>2570982Pretty sure the reason was that the Germans raped 20 million Slavic women so the Soviets raped German women as revenge, and not that a woman being fascist makes her fair game to being raped. Additionally, the female Soviet soldiers approved of the raping of German women.
Anarchist bitch here.
I’m from Boston, so I’ve seen more Chomsky lectures than I can count over the past 20 years. One of my ex-boyfriends took me to a Chomsky talk on our first date. I own many of his books (Manufacturing Consent, Hegemony or Survival, Failed States, What Uncle Sam Really Wants). While I’m long over him and his politics, I thought it would be useful to put this into context. Chomsky is (or was, now that he’s been a vegetable for well over a year) an intellectual elite part of the academic elite world. You would be shocked at how pervasive the ivory tower stuff is in Boston. It’s just like how in LA it’s Hollywood/entertainment, DC it’s politics, in Boston it’s academia. But anyway, intellectual elites spend a good amount of their time schmoozing with other intellectual elites. Even if Chomsky was an “anarchist” critical of elite institutions he was still a part of that world and largely played by its rule book.
I can’t really say I’m all that shocked he was buddies with Epstein. They ran in the same circles so it makes sense they’d be friends. Plus, intellectual elites don’t really care about each others’ moral character as much as they care about grand ideas. I’m certain Chomsky and Epstein were having long convos about linguistics and politics just as much as they were talking about nefarious shit.
>>2570955Shame the sexism away.
not every rapist is a socdem but every socdem is a rapist
>>2571401it was the poles and ukranians doing the raping
>>2570854>1. How could any principled anarchist be friends with a billionaire?<principled anarchistlmao, there is no such thing
>2. I get that Chomsky radicalized a lot of American Gen Xers and Millennials. Anarchists in the 90s and 2000s looked up to him as a god-man of sorts. He wrote many books that have become classics among the Gen X and Millennial American left. But how will this stain his reputation? Will he be cancelled? His books burned or thrown in the trash?He was always controlled opposition, so his entire reputation should be considered trash regardless. Anarchists will always just be a footnote in history, the only reason the old state continues to prop them up is because they are no threat to it
>3. Is this a case of "live long enough to be the villain" or was Chomsky always sus?Always reminds me of his debate with Foucault, always a pedo.
>4. How do you think Michael Parenti and Slavoj Zizek are taking this news?Who fucking cares what two anti-communists think?
>>2571527Parenti is anti-communist now?
>>2570982There's a lot of rape in feminist spaces too TBH.
>>2570854>Will he be cancelled? His books burned or thrown in the trash?I don’t know of a single leftist younger than 34 who cares about Chomsky at all.
Chomsky is part of an era of left-wing intellectuals in the US who existed in the worst conditions possible for that sort of thing and as far as I'm aware his only contributions to radical thought have been essentially being a figurehead for anarchism to make it seem more legitimate to people who think if something doesn't have clout with an institution like academia it must not be legitimate. he probably was only ever able to have a career in academia while also being openly a red anarchist by having ties to people like Epstein because the Anglosphere only incidentally produces anything of intellectual value if it's useful for the NATO military-industrial complex, which largely rules out the humanities.
if David Graeber was in the Epstein files then I'd give more of a shit since he's actually contributed a lot to radical thought, but Chomsky has never been anything more than a guy with clout who paid lip service to ideas that a lot of other socialists have said.
>”principled anarchist”
Chomsky stopped being anarchist after he got smoked in the debate with Foucault.
>>2570894Chomsky was never a Marxist he was always an anarcho liberal anti communist
>>2571647Yeah. Before that debate he used to talk quite a lot about anarcho-syndicalism and such. After the debate he only spoke about typical criticisms of US foreign policy.
>>2570854>1. How could any principled anarchist be friends with a billionaire?The entire student body of Hampshire College has entered the chat.
>>2570863probably to implicate more left wing people
>>2571174[Zizek] expressed his willingness to implement policies of liberal economic restructuring, which had already had catastrophic consequences for workers, asserting that he's a "pragmatist" in this area: "If it works, why not try a dose of it?" Indeed, he openly advocated for "planned privatizations" and flatly asserted, like a good capitalist ideologue: "more capitalism in our case would mean more social security." This was, once again, in perfect line with Reagan's NSDD 133, which explicitly called for "Yugoslavia's long-term internal liberalization" and the promotion of a "market-oriented Yugoslav economic structure."
>>2571749I don't think you understood the point of the post you are responding to.
>>2571949>probably to implicate more left wing peopleThat would mean Chomsky was a Mossad/CIA agent or an agent of influence.
Hmm…. I just wonder if there was a genuine reason, with in the cause to free Lula, and Chomsky's supposed political/ideological alignment.
I will be burning my Chomsky books later today.
>>2572012Well, i prefer to look at what is said, not who says it.
Chomsky has made some good points in his books which when we isolate from the recent drama, is logical.
>>2572012That seems very stupid.
Great, now everyone is going to focus on him being a child rapist and not his anticommunism and running cover for empire
SocDems: not even once
Don’t care; Parenti better
>>2570959It's certainly a very useful word for reactionaries to reveal themselves as such
>>2571996>noooooo they were just talking about muh science it's perfectly fine to be friends with a child rapist if all you're talking about is scienceCope
>>2570854Never trust an elite academic.
>>2571052>I have no objective opinion of his linguistic systemI do and it's crap that held back the field by inertia of its "Great Man" association. The one good things LLMs did was clean shop of the useless theories in lingusitics.
>>2570854I think it depends on how you see it.
Most likely approach is that Chomsky benefited somehow from the relationship. Either donations or networking (as proven). As such, hanging out and communicating with Epstein can be seen as “part of the job” rather than a personal relationship and approval of Epstein’s actions. In this case, overlooking his conviction is strategy, not approval.
On the other hand, we could assume a friendly relationship beyond mutual benefit. I find this unlikely. Men of their age, with such different interests would hardly become friends. Much less to the point of Chomsky approving Epstein’s deviant behaviors.
Another possibility is his wife Valeria pushed him towards Epstein for personal benefit, such as meeting Woody Allen.
His recommendation letter of Epstein is strange though. Not even his recommendation for Finkelstein was so flattery. We should keep in mind the possibility of it being written by AI
Broke: Hegemony
Woke: Survival
Bespoke: Joining the hegemony for personal enrichment and calling it survival
How is this relevant to the left?
just typical anarcho retardo things
>>2575554That Talmudic verse is literally about whether or not a girl who was molested as a small child is still considered a virgin on her wedding day. It’s absolutely not an endorsement of child rape.
>>2575899>>2575899It's about determining the price of slave fussy, who are you trying to make it sound kosher?
<And similarly, with regard to a female convert, or a captive woman, or a maidservant, who were ransomed with regard to the captive, or who converted with regard to the convert, or who were freed with regard to the maidservant, when she was more than three years and one day old, for all of these, their marriage contract is one hundred dinars and they are not subject to a claim concerning their virginity. When they married, their presumptive status was that of a non-virgin.
>Rav Oshaya raised an objection to the opinion of Rav from the mishna: With regard to an adult man who engaged in intercourse with a minor girl less than three years old, or a minor boy less than nine years old who engaged in intercourse with an adult woman, or a woman who had her hymen ruptured by wood or any other foreign object, the marriage contract for each of these women is two hundred dinars. This is the statement of Rabbi Meir. And the Rabbis say: The marriage contract of a woman whose hymen was ruptured by wood is one hundred dinars. Contrary to Rav’s opinion, the Rabbis distinguish between the halakha in the case of the intercourse of a minor boy and the halakha in the case of a woman whose hymen was ruptured by wood. Everyone wish Noam a happy birthday.
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