/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2601233
I dont give a shit about your retarded discussion about "woke", is just opportunism, "woke" (idpol or whatever you want to call it) is just part of the rethorical tools of the international center left recuperators. The conditions in 2019 were ripe and Boric along with the rest of the center left saved the rulling class with reformism, and it failed because thats just the nature of reformism, see Allende. The world is different from then but the results are the same.

>>2601236
>>2601236
But what about the trauma? Won't somebody think of the teauma

>>2599903
>Imagine pretending the US is the vanguard of the Western Left. Wow, you elected one mayor in a hyper elite cosmopolitian city that isn't to the left of what already existed across numerous European/UK cities for a century. Such a vanguard for all of us to follow.
This, its crazy how arrogant some burgers are, leftists in latam have been shitting on their Borics and Lulas for decades, and now that burgers have one of their own (Ziohran) they are dickriding him like crazy because they believe they are the only country that exists, a single look at the history of the center left in latam of the last 30-40 years would shield them from falling for it, and they have the nerve to tell us that we are the ones who are behind and that need to learn from their slop.

>>2597609
>Boric's legitimacy was destroyed because wokies forced a bunch of incoherent, unworkable, vague idpol shit into the constitutional changes, this caused the entire thing to come crashing down and the entire left looking like total fucking retards.
It wasnt only that
https://www.theclinic.cl/2025/12/14/la-serie-de-errores-que-cometio-el-gobierno-de-gabriel-boric-que-pavimento-el-camino-para-la-holgada-victoria-de-su-antiguo-rival-republicano/

And people said communism is incompatible with eugenics…

>>2601266
No, but there is a brand of center left recuperators that are very similar on an international level that need you need to be aware of, and you need to learn how they have been operating for decades and what the end result of what they will try to sell to you is.

>>2597520
>What makes the left so susceptible to it though is Leftists struggle to create boundaries and much of modern Leftism is really just a Christian moralist movement based around oppression olympics rather than a Materialist class movement. You see this a lot on leftypol where it's the job of Leftists to "feed the oppressed" and "hold up the downtrodden" and it's like, what the fuck? No it isn't, the Left is an economic movement around building a more efficent economy due to Capitalist Contradiction leading to Economic inefficiencies which lead to inter-class materialist warfare which fucks everyone in the long term. Socialism should be amoralistic, but everyone can't help to turn it into religion.
absolute trukerald
this is why people shouldnt skip Nietzsche, but everyone spergs out because he was hecking problematic

>>2601325
>this is why people shouldnt skip Nietzsche
Do you think Nietzsche is essential? What works do you recommend?

>>2601331
First his short essay on truth and lies in an extramoral sense so you get how he understands language, but this early work isnt representative of his mature thought. Then, the second untimely meditation and genealogy of morals, in that order because if you just jump into the genealogy you will get triggered.
>Do you think Nietzsche is essential?
Yes.

>>2601266
>libshit about bourgeois ideals
for communists the realization of democracy is coterminous with its destruction

>>2597609
Anti-idpol anti-moralist degenerates like you are the reason Marxist in the west have never accomplished anything.

>>2601368
>the reason Marxists in the west have never accomplished anything is just that people didnt have the correct ideas in their heads
real anti-materialist hours

>>2601375
Real vulgar materialist hours. Why did lenin screech so much about muh newspaper then. Muh iskra

>>2601406
Lenin didn't have to pacify groups of 20 something treatlerites that refuse to read or work.

>>2601521
Are you sure about that?

>>2601406
>>2601521
you should be able to tell the difference between generalizing existing proletarian struggle and wasting time with debate shit among non-proletarians

>>2601349
Is his work all ethics based?
Is that really necessary for Marxists? I know ethics are products of the bourgeoisie, and the other ruling classes that came before them.

>>2601331
>>2601349
>>2601562
>dood you need to waste time with all of neetzsches works to be le epic communist!!
LMFAO what the fuck am i even reading bruh, not a single philosopher is "essential" for communism

>>2601558
Then what the fuck should we do if it's not connecting with people and educating them?
Sit at home jacking off and watching Netflix?

>>2601571
There are other philosophers that are worth reading besides Marx

>>2601581
>communists should generalize existing proletarian struggle
>oh so you want me to sit at home jacking off and watching Netflix?
wow you are one illiterate ape

>>2601599
You're the one saying organizing is useless.

>>2601562
>Is his work all ethics based?
What do you mean by ethics based?
>Is that really necessary for Marxists?
What do you mean by this? Lenin said we need to learn from all sources and I agree with him.
>and the other ruling classes that came before them.
Christian morality (or judeo-christian) for Nietzsche comes from the oppresed classes, thats why he calls it slave morality, but in the second part of genealogy he explains how the State is linked to this morality and not the "aristocratic" self-affirming morality, and how the belief in things being "equal" comes from economics too. He is not systematic like Marx but he engages in his own type of materialist analysis. Both Marx and Nietzsche share that they want a "natural history of man". Bourgeois liberal morality is just secular christianity. Its also slave morality for N.
Again, people here will sperg out because he is a meanie towards the oppresed, but its worth reading.
Its worth remembering too that Nietzsche never read Marx and probably never heard about him.
>>2601571
Its funny you are posting a passage of the German Ideology since there is a passage in there about the relationship between language and consciousness thats very similar to something Nietzsche says on Gay Science.
And I didnt say reading Nietzsche is essential for Communism, he is just an importan thinker just like Marx. If you dont want to read it thats fine.

>>2601242
The discussion turns on whether the left lost Chile by being woke. If they actually lost by being typical worthless socdems, wokeness is an irrelevance, an aesthetic detail marking time like whether they use serif fonts.

>>2601641
In our times, worthless socdems that buy time for the reaction come by hand with what people call "woke" or radlib identity politics. And we are not just talking about the results of the last election but about the failed attempt at constitutional reform that were indeed wrecked by retarded idpol radlibs. Both things come together, you are trying to artifically separate them after the fact to cope.

>>2601631
You are talking about morality lots, that's ethics.

>>2601674
Keir Starmer's UK government is anti-woke and the result is that the Labour party is at the risk of total collapse. There's an obvious divide between wokeness and the implosion of centre left politics. (Indeed, Labour's biggest losses of its 2024 voters are to woker parties)

>>2601708
Yes but I dont understand what do you mean if by "its all ethics based". Do you mean if he just speculates about moral concepts? Because thats not what he does, he tries explain why metaphysics and epistemology are based on moral prejudices and why there are different moralities or "ways" of making moral judgements by grounding them on living conditions. Nietzsche thinks it doesnt make pyschological sense that a morality like bourgeois/secular-christian morality would come from a class of living beings that are healthy, happy and powerful, because its based on a way of making moral judgements that starts by negating the other instead of self-affirmation, its reactive. Because of this, Nietzsche doesnt think negation is what generates movement like Hegel does, for Nietzsche affirmation comes first, and you can extrapolate from this than hegelian dialectics doesnt really grasp the master/slave dynamic in an accurate way, etc.
Its really been a long time since I have read him so I'm probably not doing the man justice but whatever.
The second untimely meditation doesnt deal that much with ethics but more about his theory of history and how he understands historic knowledge, and I recomend to read that one first because the usual attack on Nietzsche is that he is just a chud that wants to RETVRN but in that book he explains why he thinks thats impossible and life denying even if he still didnt use terms like that at that point.

>>2601872
You explained it perfectly thanks.

>>2601674
And in the past it came through racist and imperialist trade unions. You're just projecting the failures of social-fascism onto minorities.

>>2602157
based

>>2602157
I mean by this logic social democracy and "woke" is good if it happens in the East.

>>2602157
Fuck you

>>2603523
It's a step forward against western imperialism

>>2604190
Stop posting your shitty trotskyist articles everywhere they're badly written, use no data, and don't actually lay out any chronology of events to prove their point.

Something left out of all the discussion of Chile is the composition of the Chilean congress. It doesn't seem to occur to many people that perhaps one of the reasons the government was a massive disappointment is because the government didn't have a majority in the legislature.
(Such a separation of powers is one of the most idiotic forms of governance ever devised, by-the-by.)

>>2604190
>Kast’s victory comes in a context marked by the rise of the Far Right worldwide. Indeed, he has cited Italy’s far-right prime minister Giorgia Meloni as his political role model and aligns himself with ultra-reactionary governments in Latin America, like those of Javier Milei of Argentina and Daniel Noboa of Ecuador. All of these leaders are following in the footsteps of Donald Trump, who has intensified his offensive against Latin America. Recently, the U.S. president has stepped up attacks on Venezuela, which he is threatening with a ground invasion, reviving the old Monroe Doctrine that considers the continent to be Washington’s backyard.
so you're agreeing with >>2597589 , right? it isn't the left that put Meloni, Milei, Noboa, and Trump in power. Indeed, looking at the general thrust of the article, the problem with the reformist left is that they were insufficiently left and that they fucked up on economic issues, not that they were too woke.

The #WOKE #BLM #ACAB #1312 #BEGAYDOCRIMES #WHITEPEOPLESPEAKUP bluehair furry neurodivergents couldn't do shit to stop the Neo-Fascism, they just retreat to their art blogs and rant at eachother that one day some good cracker will get fed up with this and kill these fashies for them.

>>2607673
as opposed to the TRUE leftists of /leftypol/ and the CPGB-ML, who successfully stopped neofascism in its tracks at the second battle of Stalingrad.
or retreated to their dying board to rant about the #WOKE #BLM #ACAB #1312 #BEGAYDOCRIMES #WHITEPEOPLESPEAKUP bluehair furry neurodivergents not doing more to stop it. one or the other, i was asleep at the time.

>>2607673
Say hi to Charlie Kirk for me.

>>2574529
1000% this.

I'm of the opinion that ethical matters and social issues should be viewed from the lens of "scientific utilitarianism". We should aim for systems that maximize people's ability to live as they like, but this aim must necessarily be tempered with what's actually viable in the material world, rather than abstract utopian skylarking.

The problem with demands that one always be allowed to be their authentic selves in every situation is that they ignore that, in the world as it actually exists, as opposed to how it ought to exist, concessions to individual authenticity are necessary to allow for greater collective authenticity. A pure anarchist society, with no rules or authority or anything, simply isn't going to last, and even if it does, it isn't going to achieve what its advocates seem to think it will. The capacity for most individual self-expression is contingent on a wider social organization that is capable of both producing the goods needed for that expression to be possible, and preventing bullies from enforcing mob justice.

At the bare minimum, you cannot expect to abolish fucking sarcasm.

>>2607804
>>2607806
>>2607835
Dumb and gay.

I’m starting to think the non-burgers on this board are just as dumb as the burgers in the aggregate and the real problem is that many people here are attracted to imageboard posting because having the tor node or VPN just lets folks live out their infantile fantasy of being a playground asshole with no pushback forever

>>2608925
I'm sorry for committing a no-no. Thank you for convincing not only myself but everyone else ITT of how deeply wrong and wretched I am.

>>2608948
i seem to recall this attitude had detrimental effects on jack's mental health.

>>2608950
who is jack?

>>2608952
a dull boy

>>2608952
Mr. Meoff is a pretty important leader, surprised you don't know him desu